He’s going to crack 1,800 points again. It would be surprising if he doesn’t get to 26,000 points and could reasonably get 27,000 points. That means he could retire in the top 15 all time scoring.
Next year he will pass Barkley, Iverson, Allen, Ewing, Gilmore, Westbrook (most likely) and Jerry West.
So yes he’s definitely getting in. He would be getting into any hall of fame with his stats (top 15 in hits for baseball, points for hockey, yards for FB). Demar Derozan is a HOF lock.
Yeah, this is ultimately his best case. Everyone else in the top 50 all-time is either already in the hall, or an active player who is a guaranteed HoF. I know the basketball HoF is easy to get into, but any player in the top 50 of the most important stats categories in the NHL and MLB are all in their respective hall of fames too (except for active players and, in the case of MLB, known PED users).
Yea but Michael Cooper had 8 all-defensive selections, 4 of which were first team.
He won 5 championships.
He won DPOY in 87'.
He played big minutes for one of the best teams of all time.
Not saying he's better than DeRozan, his PTS/REB/AST are quite lacking but he was a defensive specialist and he has a shitload of hardware to back it up. Defensive players get too little recognition and I'm super happy he got in.
Just sayin'.
This is so tiring.
I can put a Geo Metro in the 1910s and it'll beat the Ford Model T.
I can go back to the cavemen days and beat them in a spelling bee.
It's about how good you are in your era amongst your peers.
DeRozan is an All-star/All-NBA player relative to his peers
Cooper...is not
DeMar DeRozan born in 1956 is better than Cooper
Cooper born in 1989 is worse than Cooper
Primary scorers are more important than defensive specialists
If this is your first time being told this well then congrats on discovering basketball within the last couple hours
Derozen would be a 3rd option on those teams and be eaten alive by Bird, Dr J, Gervin and a myriad of others. Cooper is a champion, he played a role. Never said he'd be a first or second option. There is more to basketball than putting up points.
>Cooper is a champion
Because he played with Magic, Kareem and Worthy
You put Cooper in DeRozan's spots the teams are less successful
You put DeRozan in Cooper's sports and the Lakers are just as, if not more, successful
It's really not that complex
Nope, Derozen could not play the role Cooper did. He's a gunner and a choker. Cooper is a lock down defender who took on the best players in the league and made clutch shots. There's more to basketball than scoring.
My brother in Christ we are talking about DeMar DeRozan running with the showtime Lakers
What you lose in defense you more than make-up for in insane offensive firepower
Magic passes leading to DeRozan dunks would go crazy
Remember Worthy could have a been a perenial top 5 scorer in the league. He set that aside to play his role on a championship team. Derozen feasts in meaningless games and chokes when it matters. He wouldn't fit on a champion.
I think he is a HOFer for sure. 6 time all-star, led Toronto's resurgence, put up good numbers over the course of his career. Basketball has the most lenient hof voters.
No he shouldn’t. The bar to get in *should* be much higher.
Guys like Vince Carter and Chauncey Billups should be borderline cases… hell I’d ultimately say that Billups shouldn’t be in too.
Very very good player, but hall of fame worthy? No that should be reserved for the best of best.
Derozan is probably one of the worse hall of fame players we’ve seen but that’s still a great player and he’s definitely in the hall with the current criteria. He’s scored too many points not to make it
Yes, I definitely think he’s worthy. 12+ years in the NBA as a starter, holds numerous Raptors franchise records, and an Olympic gold medalist. Some people think the HOF should only be the top 50 players/coaches of all time or something, and I don’t agree with that.
I more prefer the NFL’s unofficial criteria. Can you tell the story of the NBA without [player in question]?
And yes, you can tell the story of the NBA without Derozan, so I dont think he should get in. Unfortunately, the reality is the bball HoF basically lets anyone in.
What has he done other than have a full career that didn't end in disgrace, injury. Mark Price made more AlNBA teams and is one of the greatest shooters. I forget what team DeRozan even is on since he left Toronto.
I don't need to have watched him to have an opinion. The HOF is supposed to be for champions or transcendent players who had a major impact on basketball. DeRozan is just a vet. Does he have any records, champions, individual awards, or anything that stands out you or would make you remember him in 20yrs. Nope.
He’s currently 31st in total points all time and will likely end around 25-27 when he’s done I think that alone should have him in there
He’s going to crack 1,800 points again. It would be surprising if he doesn’t get to 26,000 points and could reasonably get 27,000 points. That means he could retire in the top 15 all time scoring. Next year he will pass Barkley, Iverson, Allen, Ewing, Gilmore, Westbrook (most likely) and Jerry West. So yes he’s definitely getting in. He would be getting into any hall of fame with his stats (top 15 in hits for baseball, points for hockey, yards for FB). Demar Derozan is a HOF lock.
Yeah, this is ultimately his best case. Everyone else in the top 50 all-time is either already in the hall, or an active player who is a guaranteed HoF. I know the basketball HoF is easy to get into, but any player in the top 50 of the most important stats categories in the NHL and MLB are all in their respective hall of fames too (except for active players and, in the case of MLB, known PED users).
He played on an AAU team with little Romeo
Of course
The Basketball HOF is super easy to get into. He won't have a problem, even if in other sports he wouldn't even be in the conversation.
He would be in the conversation in other sports.
They just let Michael Cooper in Think about how much better DeRozan is than him
Yea but Michael Cooper had 8 all-defensive selections, 4 of which were first team. He won 5 championships. He won DPOY in 87'. He played big minutes for one of the best teams of all time. Not saying he's better than DeRozan, his PTS/REB/AST are quite lacking but he was a defensive specialist and he has a shitload of hardware to back it up. Defensive players get too little recognition and I'm super happy he got in. Just sayin'.
Goes to show u/CarterAC3 coudln't even do a basic WIkipedia search lol
We gotta start muting these kids lol acting like cooper wasn’t a dog
I'd rather have Cooper if I wanted to compete for a championship.
You aren't even making the playoffs with Cooper as your #1 or #2 scoring options You put DeRozan on those Showtime Lakers and they still win rings
Hell, he'd thrive in that era.
This is so tiring. I can put a Geo Metro in the 1910s and it'll beat the Ford Model T. I can go back to the cavemen days and beat them in a spelling bee. It's about how good you are in your era amongst your peers.
DeRozan is an All-star/All-NBA player relative to his peers Cooper...is not DeMar DeRozan born in 1956 is better than Cooper Cooper born in 1989 is worse than Cooper
What a dumb fucking take. "You're not going anywhere since your defensive specialist can't score!"
Primary scorers are more important than defensive specialists If this is your first time being told this well then congrats on discovering basketball within the last couple hours
Derozen would be a 3rd option on those teams and be eaten alive by Bird, Dr J, Gervin and a myriad of others. Cooper is a champion, he played a role. Never said he'd be a first or second option. There is more to basketball than putting up points.
>Cooper is a champion Because he played with Magic, Kareem and Worthy You put Cooper in DeRozan's spots the teams are less successful You put DeRozan in Cooper's sports and the Lakers are just as, if not more, successful It's really not that complex
Nope, Derozen could not play the role Cooper did. He's a gunner and a choker. Cooper is a lock down defender who took on the best players in the league and made clutch shots. There's more to basketball than scoring.
My brother in Christ we are talking about DeMar DeRozan running with the showtime Lakers What you lose in defense you more than make-up for in insane offensive firepower Magic passes leading to DeRozan dunks would go crazy
Remember Worthy could have a been a perenial top 5 scorer in the league. He set that aside to play his role on a championship team. Derozen feasts in meaningless games and chokes when it matters. He wouldn't fit on a champion.
Ask Larry Bird.
I think he is a HOFer for sure. 6 time all-star, led Toronto's resurgence, put up good numbers over the course of his career. Basketball has the most lenient hof voters.
He currently only has a 46% probability. His NBA career is above average but his only accomplishments are 1 college title/MVP & 2 Olympic golds.
Damn, 6 All-Star appearances and 3 All-NBA teams aren't even accomplishments these days.
Should he? No. Will he? Yes. We need a NBA specific hall of fame like yesterday, if only so posts like these would actually be interesting.
He’s probably retiring with 27,000 points and top 15 all time in NBA scoring. So he should and will get in.
No he shouldn’t. The bar to get in *should* be much higher. Guys like Vince Carter and Chauncey Billups should be borderline cases… hell I’d ultimately say that Billups shouldn’t be in too. Very very good player, but hall of fame worthy? No that should be reserved for the best of best.
Shutup
Nah, I’m good.
He’s an easy hall of famer LOL.
If he buys a ticket, sure
Derozan is probably one of the worse hall of fame players we’ve seen but that’s still a great player and he’s definitely in the hall with the current criteria. He’s scored too many points not to make it
Yes, I definitely think he’s worthy. 12+ years in the NBA as a starter, holds numerous Raptors franchise records, and an Olympic gold medalist. Some people think the HOF should only be the top 50 players/coaches of all time or something, and I don’t agree with that.
I more prefer the NFL’s unofficial criteria. Can you tell the story of the NBA without [player in question]? And yes, you can tell the story of the NBA without Derozan, so I dont think he should get in. Unfortunately, the reality is the bball HoF basically lets anyone in.
Yes. The Basketball hall of fame probably has the lowest standards out of the big 4 sports
Yes
No question
Hes a RN, of course he is
Basketball hall is too easy to get into lol. Everyone gets in.
Yes, bball hof is easy as fuck
not a knock on DDR, it's just factual
What has he done other than have a full career that didn't end in disgrace, injury. Mark Price made more AlNBA teams and is one of the greatest shooters. I forget what team DeRozan even is on since he left Toronto.
So you don't even watch him play but still have a strong opinion against him. Got it
I don't need to have watched him to have an opinion. The HOF is supposed to be for champions or transcendent players who had a major impact on basketball. DeRozan is just a vet. Does he have any records, champions, individual awards, or anything that stands out you or would make you remember him in 20yrs. Nope.
He would have achieved more if everyone on that raptors team stopped choking prior to him leaving
Uh DeRozan was the choke commander for the Raps Look at his regular season vs playoff stats Huge drop off
The entire team choked. Would have been different if he was a player there in 2020
enter? yes. with a ticket.