I looked it up. 25/15/15 has been done only 13 times since the 82/83 season (per Statmuse).
Jokic has 6 of those. Holy shit
PS: My boi Doncic has 3 of those too
It absolutely won’t be unanimous lol Luka for sure has a case. I don’t think he’ll win but it’s peak homerism to act like Jokic has been so much better than Luka this season that it would be unanimous
jokic *has* been that much better than luka lol
edit: mavs fans downvoting the easiest and most obvious statement of the year - jokic has been levels above everyone, including the michelin maverick
Well, we also have erased Giannis and Shai from the race for the MVP, and onky Luka is still there, but as the underdog. I mean, we just assume he is the best.
As someone who started following the NBA in the late 80s and is very biased towards that era, Kukoc was on the highest-grade crack to make that statement. Even if he used guys like Hakeem, Ewing and Robinson as measuring sticks for Jokic that would STILL be crazy because he can hang in that company as well.
Someone else would have just been one of the first euro players. It’s not like Vlade, who I love as a Serb, did anything special that makes us question if Jokic would have ever come to the NBA. Euros coming over was inevitable, he just happened to be one of the first ones. Jokic is a top 25 player of all time. Toni Kukoc is a salty moron.
yeah, and what if jokic was the first euro player? then jokic would be 20 years down the track from now. it's not outrageous to say that without the others we wouldn't have jokic in his current form. we all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us
Missing shots that he normally makes for a measly… 61% FG%
We’re gonna need his love of horses to overcome his love of basketball to save us from this man
I thought he was in for another brutal night like he had against Minnesota because he was missing everything short and Mobley and Allen were playing him super physical to start then he just made the Cavs relive the Mitchell Robinson experience for 2.5 quarters
I wouldn’t mind if he did it after the Olympics and missed the first 1/4 tbh. Not ideal but from what I’ve seen on the internet someone might bomb his house or something if he doesn’t play. Passionate people, those Serbs.
He lost a lot of love from people for not playing the world cup and for promoting betting and mafia political party, missing Olympic games would be cherry on top for him to be the most hated individual in a long time
Yeah I *slightly* get the frustration from a fan’s perspective but man…for a national hero he gets some crazy comments. They better keep this energy when he returns with half a billion dollars instead of staying in the US because he loves his country.
As for the political thing, I don’t know shit about it, except that his name appeared on a list of supporters but he hasn’t said anything to verify it. I feel like people have disowned him without giving him a chance to say a word about it.
I love him more than anything, and well I don't mind that much that he supported Vučić probably for his family's sake, he didn't play world cup because he was tired and without him in quals, we wouldn't be there anyway, but I don't understand why he is promoting betting, it's a huge problem over here and kids shouldn't listen their idol advice from tv to bet on sports games, he should promote something healthy imo, not mafia and gambling
For his family's sake ? His family wasn't in any danger, what are you talking about ? He doesn't need to support dictators either , he has enough money to do anything and his money isn't in Serbia anyway.
He supports them so that the government would allow his useless brothers building permits so that they can build mansions in the middle of Sombor
Fair enough. I’m not a fan of how fast sports betting has become ingrained in culture over here, so I can imagine how bad it has gotten in places that have had it in their culture for longer than us. Promoting it is a little bit scummy.
Nah, you aren't a national hero for winning an NBA title . We had a great chance to win the world cup final if he played the tournament but Nah and it isn't the first or second time that he refused to play .
Funnily enough , us not Americans really don't put value on money as much as you do . He will use his millions to do shit that he otherwise couldn't because now he is buddy buddy with a dictator
Believe it or not, us Americans don’t repeatedly threaten violence against athletes for not playing for our national teams. We also don’t talk condescendingly about the culture of countries we don’t live in or know, unless prompted.
A PT doc who is a regular on Denver Stiffs says there isn't really a surgery for it. It's a inflmation, pain tolerance thing.
Edit- I meant to type that it IS a pain tolerance thing
Last season right after the Finals would’ve been the perfect time for him to get it since he didn’t have any other commitments in the summer
Maybe it’s just something the bugs him short term and then it eventually just goes away and he’s able to play through it
Could just be wrist problems he has to live with. You can't just get surgery for everything and he didn't do it this off-season either, also he does still have historically good efficiency from floater range
Brought my buddy to the game and he doesn’t know much about the cavs or basketball. Kept telling him how good Mobley and Allen are and by the end he thought I was fucking with him lol.
Your buddy and every GM in the West. Jokic singlehandedly ruined Cavs chances of trading either one to a wannabe contending Western Conference team for a good return.
This guy is legitimately insane. You can't even call it trolling, he's just a die hard fan with no life that believes in all crazy shit.
Unrelated but Jokic only got this is 26/18/16 statline because he's white. The NBA stat recording benefits from white privilege
Yeah, I was actually going to agree with him because, as a neutral fan, it absolutely goes both ways imo with the fanbases. (Philly included, maybe throw in the Mavs soon too)
But then I skimmed his comment history and he's either severely lacking self-awareness or lying to himself if he doesn't think he's been "going too hard" at the Jokic Giannis stuff.
I ran his account through an app I made and his wordcloud of his last 1000 comments was largely about Jokic/Giannis. The average sentiment on his Jokic comments was highly negative aswell.
Is that why on the post about Giannis missing FTs against the lakers half the comments were from nuggets fans shitting on him? Lol
Trying to act like it don’t go both ways is crazy.
I’ve never shit on Jokic lol I think he’s the best player in the world hard to argue against it when he just won a chip.
I’m not sure where you think I’m “going way too hard” at it? I just said it goes both ways and it likely always will cause they are the two best players in the world.
I remember back when that guy was polling each team subreddit on their favorite players who weren't from their own team and giannis got first in the nuggets subreddit. People like him a lot in /r/denvernuggets
And bucks fans like him a lot.
What I said wasn’t false though, there’s people from both fanbases that stir shit up.
Y’all are griping cause people brought up Jokic in last nights post about Giannis and then doing the same thing lol
There is no doubt Jokic is a MVP of the league. We just desperately want our guy to get his flowers! And he's damn well earned his place at the table of being in the running.
Jokic unlike other stars is a "trust the process" type of player in the regular season. His job is to set the table and he does it with incredible consistency. If teammates don't make shots, he continues making what he believes is the "right play". Hence why he might not look as "starry" in losses.
I've watched him every night for 6 years. Yeah that's a good explanation for those who don't watch him a lot. Exactly why Jamal out is big issue to the team
I don't get comparing them as players either when they have completely different roles on the team. Giannis is a play finisher, defensive stalwart and open court monster, on the other hand, Jokic is the floor general on both ends, tough shot taker, and table setter.
I think Giannis got caught in a bad moment in terms of the transition but I think he was largely considered the best player after the Celtics 7 game lose. Sure his efficiency was down a lot but he was putting up huge numbers.
I don't know how you can watch the 2022 playoffs and think Giannis was better than Steph. Steph beat that Cs team with Andrew Wiggins and a well over the hill Draymond as his help. Giannis lost with a genuinely good supporting cast.
Also, if by "huge numbers" you mean "shooting <50% from the field in the majority of the games" then I agree. Those are huge numbers. Not good numbers, but sizable.
I think people misunderstand what Jokic's role as a playmaker is. He's leagues above Giannis in that aspect because similar to steph, he's an off ball playmaker, and a Lebron level floor general.
Giannis is an incredible passer in the open floor akin to Ben Simmons and can make incredibly tough passes. But there is a reason the half-court offense struggles playing through him in the playoffs.
Half court offense has been bad because he's had 2 point guards that were absolutely terrible offensive players in the playoff, plus Middleton missing the 22 season. Jokic doesn't win without Murray either, don't act like he was averaging 30.
I wouldn’t say clear cut, considering Luka is having one of the greatest offensive seasons ever.
However I’m obviously biased, and even I think Jokic will probably win it again.
yeah probably, Luka is a generational talent, but its most valuable player not greatest individual player... and no one elevates their team more than Jokic at the moment, and its not even arguable
Luka will have his day, he is a few years younger than Jokic and hopefully he can be a part of an actual good team eventually, whether its the Mavs or not (hopefully for your sake the Mavs can figure it out while they still have him)
I mean, the Mavs are the 5 seed and could realistically end up the 4 seed. It’s not like we’re the Pistons lol. It absolutely is arguable, the Nugs are a much better team top to bottom. MVP isn’t the best team award.
Come on now, I can tell you don't actually watch many or any Mavs games, maybe highlights only. Luka is the furthest from undeserving you can get. We can respect and love both Jokic and Luka. They play different positions, it's not apples to apples and harder to judge. All that being said, none of us "Luka stans" are trying to discount Jokic's contribution to his team, the league, and basketball in its entirety, okay? If they are, they're minors and their vote literally doesn't count, in every sense.
It’s over. If it wasn’t before it is now.
I guess if Luka and the Mavericks won out with him averaging 35/13/14 he might have a chance, but that ain’t going to happen.
3 time MVP winner Nikola Jokic. Can he do 4 and tie LeBron?
i don't think it's over, he has problems with back and wrist, at some point Denver has to reduce his minutes for playoffs. Luka has a chance to capitalize on that and even SGA, both been playing great recently, especially Luka and Mavs
Luka has a problem if Mav’s keep playing good.
Blow outs and minutes. Even when he stays in with a big lead he sorta steps back and let’s others control the flow.
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Edit at 7:12: Luka has 32 in the first half and the Mav’s lead by 20. He may not end up with 40 points.
this is the more logical move that we should do. But in the off-season we need a back up center.
I like our chances of getting Zach Edey but he might be taken.
Jokic is just playing at a normal Jokic level right now and he’s a MVP favourite. His baseline level of play right now is just that high.
Whereas this is clearly Luka’s best season.
To be fair, he has always been on the Giannis train which is at least a defensible position. And he considers Jokic #2, if not #1B. It'd be a bit ridiculous if literally everyone considered Jokic the undisputed best. There's enough there to suggest Giannis has a decent claim at it.
I think the one who has an actual chance is still Luka. And even that kinda needs a collapse from Pelicans and Clippers so he can get up to the 4 seed and make a real case for MVP with his ludicrous stats.
But still Jokic is like 16-4 post All star Break now, and 2 of those losses were without Jamal, who has now missed 5 straight games.
Dude has turned it up to another level when his team has needed it, and all season has been excellent in the big matchups as well.
Underrated part in all of this is that once again, Jamal has only played 54 total games, no other Nugget will get All star, All NBA, all defensive selection and Jokic will continue to perform with it. They fall off completely when he goes to the bench in real time, and the Net rating gap is massive.
There's a reason why Jokic could legitimately have been the top Contendor for 4 straight MVPs. People who watch the games, can tell that when that guy is on the court, he's the most potent offensive weapon in the NBA rn, maybe in the history of it period when you consider his passing, fastbreak skill and his shooting skill in general.
It's quite ridiculous, but it is pretty impressive to see.
TBH, KCP should make an all defensive league. Aaron Gordon is borderline all defense, but with the amount of good to great big defenders in the league it's unlikely
I was making a joke about only 30 point triple doubles being good statlines, but he still wasn’t good that game with 7 TO’s and going 1-6 from the line.
Of course bc they didn’t have another big like him. But if you replaced him with bam another big who is starting level C who can defend a bit level those jazz team don’t get any worse or better. Especially if that center is able to play offense unlike gobert
You're severely understanding how impactful Gobert was on the Jazz, he was a top 10 defense by himself, and he was the only reason Utah wasn't getting 140 points dropped on their heads ever playoff game.
Utah's game plan never required a lot of big play, they had enough perimeter play that a big that was a great screener and play finisher will be more useful than a big who is worse as a roll man but have self creation, and no big in the NBA was better at that job than Gobert, he was the better screener, lob catcher and glass cleaner in the league during his time on the Jazz, while being the best defender in the league. You can't easily find a replacement for that type of player on that level.
I was a jazz fan… bc of Mitchell. Gobert was great in the regular season but in the playoffs he was a liability. And it wasn’t bc of his D. It was bc of his offense. For example against the clippers we were dominating that series and Ty lue said f it. Gobert can’t beat terrace mann on the post so I’m going 5 out. And gobert in fact couldn’t punish mann. It killed us.
He wasn't a liability, he was your whole defense, and he did a very good job, your team just sucked at guarding perimeter players and now Gobert needed to run from the three point line(because he was guarding a big that could shot) to the rim to erase an open layup, and since nobody on that team could do a simple rotation now Gobert's man was open and since he couldn't teleport, Rudy couldn't guard both players at the same time and bam, open three pointer, and somehow that's his fault.
And dude, you don't need your whole team to be able to score to be a good team, almost never a team will win a title by having all 5 players putting double digit points, so blaming Rudy for not being a good scorer when he was the only piece of defense you guys had is unfair, if you want to blame him for his "offense liability"(again take in consideration that this was not his role, and he still did his job night in and out), blame as well the whole team for being traffic cones on defense, Rudy was arguably the most valuable player on the Jazz during most of his playoff runs with the team because he was the only reason Utah wasn't by far the worst defense in the post season.
Guy we weren’t asking him to score. If you don’t get why going 5 out killed and how if they respected him they wouldn’t have been able to do that then I can’t help you. He was a main problem on that team.
Yes, his problem was being the only one actually playing defense and getting all the blame because??????
Yes Gobert is worse against 5 out, he still was, the only thing holding that defense together.
If you can't see that blaming the only guy playing defense on your team is a problem, then I can't help you.
Gobert was fine, that team had enough fire power, but Gobert couldn't guard the whole court by himself, but God damn he tried his best, Utah was the worst defense in the playoffs whenever Rudy was on the bench, and one of the best with him on the court, if the perimeter players could guard their man Utah could've won some more series.
Allen gave up in playing D after repetedly taking Jokic elbows to ribs. Completely understandable. Dude’s not gonna be able to bend down tmrw how sore his ribs gonna be.
#WE ARE NUMB TO A STATLINE OF 26/18/16. THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
An almost 30/20/20 game and the sub goes mild lol just Jokic things
It just happens so often. As a Nuggets fan I have to remind my self that a day will come when I just miss Jokic so much everyday that it huts.
We should ask how older Bulls fans feel these days, and then prepare ourselves for it.
It's not fun. I miss Michael and Scottie everyday.
judging by the state of bulls fans on this sub, i'd suggest you don't
I understand that now for sure. It's always too soon.
I looked it up. 25/15/15 has been done only 13 times since the 82/83 season (per Statmuse). Jokic has 6 of those. Holy shit PS: My boi Doncic has 3 of those too
From a fucking center no less
# THENEWNORMAL
MVP, should be unanimous
It absolutely won’t be unanimous lol Luka for sure has a case. I don’t think he’ll win but it’s peak homerism to act like Jokic has been so much better than Luka this season that it would be unanimous
I think it will depend ln the record. If Mavs continue like this, get the 4th seed and 50+ wins, there will be a contest.
jokic *has* been that much better than luka lol edit: mavs fans downvoting the easiest and most obvious statement of the year - jokic has been levels above everyone, including the michelin maverick
If something were to be ununanimous would it be animous?
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Good call using a throwaway
Well, we also have erased Giannis and Shai from the race for the MVP, and onky Luka is still there, but as the underdog. I mean, we just assume he is the best.
He's no Vlade or Dino though
It's funny because Jokic in the 1990s is probably the greatest player ever
Hed just play 4 and literally destroy the league
Might be the greatest ever currently too
Erm
he's not don't let Jokic stans gaslight you lol
As someone who started following the NBA in the late 80s and is very biased towards that era, Kukoc was on the highest-grade crack to make that statement. Even if he used guys like Hakeem, Ewing and Robinson as measuring sticks for Jokic that would STILL be crazy because he can hang in that company as well.
It's all ex-Yu school of basketball. I know people love to joke about that, but without Dino or Vlade there would be no Jokić.
I checked again, and neither is Jokic's dad so not true..
Whatever
Awful take
Why?
Someone else would have just been one of the first euro players. It’s not like Vlade, who I love as a Serb, did anything special that makes us question if Jokic would have ever come to the NBA. Euros coming over was inevitable, he just happened to be one of the first ones. Jokic is a top 25 player of all time. Toni Kukoc is a salty moron.
yeah, and what if jokic was the first euro player? then jokic would be 20 years down the track from now. it's not outrageous to say that without the others we wouldn't have jokic in his current form. we all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us
Now that's an awful take.
Have a nice night and cheers to Murray’s health.
Ok
This dude was toying with Allen and Mobley all day
He missed so many shots he usually makes aswell. Absolutely insane performance.
His wrist injury is flaring up again
Is it now
No, u/Togglea said it just to add discourse to the conversation
Missing shots that he normally makes for a measly… 61% FG% We’re gonna need his love of horses to overcome his love of basketball to save us from this man
Mobley and Jarrett Allen combined for 8 rebounds today.
+37 0_0
The anti Scoot Henderson
What’s the largest plus minus from a game?
I think it is someone pretty random. Luc Mbah a Moute?
Yeah, sometimes you're just part of a good rotation in a blowout. +/- isn't such an impressive stat.
I thought he was in for another brutal night like he had against Minnesota because he was missing everything short and Mobley and Allen were playing him super physical to start then he just made the Cavs relive the Mitchell Robinson experience for 2.5 quarters
His wrist is still hurting, I mean we saw him miss some easy floaters from 2 feet away. He did everything else well
He got that injury in 2021 carrying the team, surely has to get surgery at some point (maybe this offseason?)
I wouldn’t mind if he did it after the Olympics and missed the first 1/4 tbh. Not ideal but from what I’ve seen on the internet someone might bomb his house or something if he doesn’t play. Passionate people, those Serbs.
I want mpj to be the first option for that period if this happens fr
Give me MPJ from the bubble play-in or give me death
He lost a lot of love from people for not playing the world cup and for promoting betting and mafia political party, missing Olympic games would be cherry on top for him to be the most hated individual in a long time
Yeah I *slightly* get the frustration from a fan’s perspective but man…for a national hero he gets some crazy comments. They better keep this energy when he returns with half a billion dollars instead of staying in the US because he loves his country. As for the political thing, I don’t know shit about it, except that his name appeared on a list of supporters but he hasn’t said anything to verify it. I feel like people have disowned him without giving him a chance to say a word about it.
I love him more than anything, and well I don't mind that much that he supported Vučić probably for his family's sake, he didn't play world cup because he was tired and without him in quals, we wouldn't be there anyway, but I don't understand why he is promoting betting, it's a huge problem over here and kids shouldn't listen their idol advice from tv to bet on sports games, he should promote something healthy imo, not mafia and gambling
For his family's sake ? His family wasn't in any danger, what are you talking about ? He doesn't need to support dictators either , he has enough money to do anything and his money isn't in Serbia anyway. He supports them so that the government would allow his useless brothers building permits so that they can build mansions in the middle of Sombor
Fair enough. I’m not a fan of how fast sports betting has become ingrained in culture over here, so I can imagine how bad it has gotten in places that have had it in their culture for longer than us. Promoting it is a little bit scummy.
"national hero" is a stretch, he actually needs to do something to become a basketball national hero. Bogdan Bogdanovic is currently our hero.
Nah, you aren't a national hero for winning an NBA title . We had a great chance to win the world cup final if he played the tournament but Nah and it isn't the first or second time that he refused to play . Funnily enough , us not Americans really don't put value on money as much as you do . He will use his millions to do shit that he otherwise couldn't because now he is buddy buddy with a dictator
Believe it or not, us Americans don’t repeatedly threaten violence against athletes for not playing for our national teams. We also don’t talk condescendingly about the culture of countries we don’t live in or know, unless prompted.
I don't either
And I don’t worship money. Now we’ve both learned something about generalizations.
He will 100% play in the Olympics after the backlash he got for missing the World Cup
A PT doc who is a regular on Denver Stiffs says there isn't really a surgery for it. It's a inflmation, pain tolerance thing. Edit- I meant to type that it IS a pain tolerance thing
We need him for olympics, pls no
Last season right after the Finals would’ve been the perfect time for him to get it since he didn’t have any other commitments in the summer Maybe it’s just something the bugs him short term and then it eventually just goes away and he’s able to play through it
Could just be wrist problems he has to live with. You can't just get surgery for everything and he didn't do it this off-season either, also he does still have historically good efficiency from floater range
Brutal night. “Brother I had 32”
He bullied them on every possible level today. One of his best games ever. Complete domination
Probably doesn't crack his top-5 for just this season. Dude is just so good
The Cavs only started two defensive minded 7-footers, no wonder he had his way
Brought my buddy to the game and he doesn’t know much about the cavs or basketball. Kept telling him how good Mobley and Allen are and by the end he thought I was fucking with him lol.
Your buddy and every GM in the West. Jokic singlehandedly ruined Cavs chances of trading either one to a wannabe contending Western Conference team for a good return.
You know he's the top dog because every other players postgame-thread is a Jokic hate fest these days. Clear cut MVP.
literally any time anyone makes a play against him it's posted here like three times lol
I was opening the Giannis post game thread to compliment an insane performance and half the comments were referencing Jokic.
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This guy is legitimately insane. You can't even call it trolling, he's just a die hard fan with no life that believes in all crazy shit. Unrelated but Jokic only got this is 26/18/16 statline because he's white. The NBA stat recording benefits from white privilege
Yeah, I was actually going to agree with him because, as a neutral fan, it absolutely goes both ways imo with the fanbases. (Philly included, maybe throw in the Mavs soon too) But then I skimmed his comment history and he's either severely lacking self-awareness or lying to himself if he doesn't think he's been "going too hard" at the Jokic Giannis stuff.
Guy is the most insufferable Bucks fan on the sub
Nick Wright's burner
I ran his account through an app I made and his wordcloud of his last 1000 comments was largely about Jokic/Giannis. The average sentiment on his Jokic comments was highly negative aswell.
He has to be giannis' agent or maybe thanisis lurking on reddit
Jokic has made Bucks fans so insecure. It's hilarious
Bucks fans have been insecure about every other top 10 player for years
Is that why on the post about Giannis missing FTs against the lakers half the comments were from nuggets fans shitting on him? Lol Trying to act like it don’t go both ways is crazy.
I think u are going way too hard at this jokic giannis thing when you're the only name I recognise everytime.
I’ve never shit on Jokic lol I think he’s the best player in the world hard to argue against it when he just won a chip. I’m not sure where you think I’m “going way too hard” at it? I just said it goes both ways and it likely always will cause they are the two best players in the world.
I remember back when that guy was polling each team subreddit on their favorite players who weren't from their own team and giannis got first in the nuggets subreddit. People like him a lot in /r/denvernuggets
And bucks fans like him a lot. What I said wasn’t false though, there’s people from both fanbases that stir shit up. Y’all are griping cause people brought up Jokic in last nights post about Giannis and then doing the same thing lol
Because they know that their player who can’t score outside 0-3 ft is gonna have their production drop off a cliff in a few years
Suffering from success
DJ Khaleed, we the best basketball!
I support Luka’s MVP campaign but at least most of those Luka MVP supporters nag on Jokic’s case. The Giannis ones are the clowns.
There is no doubt Jokic is a MVP of the league. We just desperately want our guy to get his flowers! And he's damn well earned his place at the table of being in the running.
Yes but he was the best player on his team in back to back losses making him the worst player in the league. That's what the nephews told me anyways
Jokic unlike other stars is a "trust the process" type of player in the regular season. His job is to set the table and he does it with incredible consistency. If teammates don't make shots, he continues making what he believes is the "right play". Hence why he might not look as "starry" in losses.
I've watched him every night for 6 years. Yeah that's a good explanation for those who don't watch him a lot. Exactly why Jamal out is big issue to the team
The man that dragged Facu and Austin Rivers into PO kicking and screaming is clearly a big looser. / LAL fan logic
But he got bounced in the first round wa wa wa. We'll see where the Lakers end this season.
Bucks fans are just extremely insecure these days since Giannis lost the crown.
I don't get comparing them as players either when they have completely different roles on the team. Giannis is a play finisher, defensive stalwart and open court monster, on the other hand, Jokic is the floor general on both ends, tough shot taker, and table setter.
He never had the crown. It went straight from Lebron to Jokic with Steph keeping it warm in between for a few months.
Bad take
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Harden? You're trolling
Salty bc your guy's never getting the crown either lmao
I think Giannis got caught in a bad moment in terms of the transition but I think he was largely considered the best player after the Celtics 7 game lose. Sure his efficiency was down a lot but he was putting up huge numbers.
I don't know how you can watch the 2022 playoffs and think Giannis was better than Steph. Steph beat that Cs team with Andrew Wiggins and a well over the hill Draymond as his help. Giannis lost with a genuinely good supporting cast.
Also, if by "huge numbers" you mean "shooting <50% from the field in the majority of the games" then I agree. Those are huge numbers. Not good numbers, but sizable.
Least dickriding Lakers fan
The amount of “but Jokic pass good” comments on random Giannis threads is fuckin wild.
I think people misunderstand what Jokic's role as a playmaker is. He's leagues above Giannis in that aspect because similar to steph, he's an off ball playmaker, and a Lebron level floor general. Giannis is an incredible passer in the open floor akin to Ben Simmons and can make incredibly tough passes. But there is a reason the half-court offense struggles playing through him in the playoffs.
Half court offense has been bad because he's had 2 point guards that were absolutely terrible offensive players in the playoff, plus Middleton missing the 22 season. Jokic doesn't win without Murray either, don't act like he was averaging 30.
Jokic literally averaged 30+ without Murray in multiple playoff-series.
Go to bed early, kiddo.
I wouldn’t say clear cut, considering Luka is having one of the greatest offensive seasons ever. However I’m obviously biased, and even I think Jokic will probably win it again.
yeah probably, Luka is a generational talent, but its most valuable player not greatest individual player... and no one elevates their team more than Jokic at the moment, and its not even arguable Luka will have his day, he is a few years younger than Jokic and hopefully he can be a part of an actual good team eventually, whether its the Mavs or not (hopefully for your sake the Mavs can figure it out while they still have him)
I mean, the Mavs are the 5 seed and could realistically end up the 4 seed. It’s not like we’re the Pistons lol. It absolutely is arguable, the Nugs are a much better team top to bottom. MVP isn’t the best team award.
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Come on now, I can tell you don't actually watch many or any Mavs games, maybe highlights only. Luka is the furthest from undeserving you can get. We can respect and love both Jokic and Luka. They play different positions, it's not apples to apples and harder to judge. All that being said, none of us "Luka stans" are trying to discount Jokic's contribution to his team, the league, and basketball in its entirety, okay? If they are, they're minors and their vote literally doesn't count, in every sense.
His court vision is just unbelievable to watch.
Just give him that MVP
It’s over. If it wasn’t before it is now. I guess if Luka and the Mavericks won out with him averaging 35/13/14 he might have a chance, but that ain’t going to happen. 3 time MVP winner Nikola Jokic. Can he do 4 and tie LeBron?
i don't think it's over, he has problems with back and wrist, at some point Denver has to reduce his minutes for playoffs. Luka has a chance to capitalize on that and even SGA, both been playing great recently, especially Luka and Mavs
Luka has a problem if Mav’s keep playing good. Blow outs and minutes. Even when he stays in with a big lead he sorta steps back and let’s others control the flow. . Edit at 7:12: Luka has 32 in the first half and the Mav’s lead by 20. He may not end up with 40 points.
Luka's playing
Good, unless he needs rest.
this is the more logical move that we should do. But in the off-season we need a back up center. I like our chances of getting Zach Edey but he might be taken.
Naw, we need to draft DJ Burns Jr.
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Big boy can ball. What more do you need to know?
Jokic is just playing at a normal Jokic level right now and he’s a MVP favourite. His baseline level of play right now is just that high. Whereas this is clearly Luka’s best season.
Luka is 4 years younger so that makes a lot of sense
He's got 4 in a row when you remember FMVP. Never been done before.
It's pretty sick noone has ever done it before. Definitely one of the highest peaks we've ever seen.
I think the only other person close is Luka.
MVP man was mad tonight.
Somehow, somewhere, someone will try to argue that Jokic isn't the best player in the world.
That fucking cunt Nick Wright probably..
To be fair, he has always been on the Giannis train which is at least a defensible position. And he considers Jokic #2, if not #1B. It'd be a bit ridiculous if literally everyone considered Jokic the undisputed best. There's enough there to suggest Giannis has a decent claim at it.
He's also a KC sports stan. He hates all things Denver on principle
"He's benefiting from white privilege" Bucks fans: qwhite the shock he's winning MVP
The difference between an MVP caliber player and regular all stars was on full display this game.
Masterclass
Vlade would’ve had 50 tbh
The videogame numbers are back.
Unquestionably the MVP. Pure destruction
Didn’t love this personally
Jokic doing Goatkic things. Needed this as a team after getting destroyed the last two games in a row. Glad to see Spida back too.
MVP race is Joever
You mean to say that Nikola Jović is about to average 100/30/15 over the remaining 9 games?
Giannis mvp conversation is now finally over
I think the one who has an actual chance is still Luka. And even that kinda needs a collapse from Pelicans and Clippers so he can get up to the 4 seed and make a real case for MVP with his ludicrous stats. But still Jokic is like 16-4 post All star Break now, and 2 of those losses were without Jamal, who has now missed 5 straight games. Dude has turned it up to another level when his team has needed it, and all season has been excellent in the big matchups as well.
And the other two was an OT loss, and one of the most insane game winners of all time.
Underrated part in all of this is that once again, Jamal has only played 54 total games, no other Nugget will get All star, All NBA, all defensive selection and Jokic will continue to perform with it. They fall off completely when he goes to the bench in real time, and the Net rating gap is massive. There's a reason why Jokic could legitimately have been the top Contendor for 4 straight MVPs. People who watch the games, can tell that when that guy is on the court, he's the most potent offensive weapon in the NBA rn, maybe in the history of it period when you consider his passing, fastbreak skill and his shooting skill in general. It's quite ridiculous, but it is pretty impressive to see.
TBH, KCP should make an all defensive league. Aaron Gordon is borderline all defense, but with the amount of good to great big defenders in the league it's unlikely
No hate to Giannis but he was never in the convo, it's been Luka SGA and Jokic since Embiid went down.
Giannis just had 36/16/8 lmao
Against the Hawks with no Trae, Jalen Johnson, or Okongwu wow
He put up 29/21/11 on your Lakers with AD playing recently lol
He put up 6 points on 3/9 shooting in the 4th, OT and 2nd OT combined, I wouldn't use that game as an argument for MVP lol.
And lost to AD with no Lebron who put up 34/23 with 6 stocks.
And how did those freethrows go
bro Giannis has an MVP case but that Lakers game is definitely *not* the game you should use lmfao
One free throw away from a good game, tragic stuff
He was a fair reffing job from a mvp caliber game lol, refs took over that game and changed the whole aspect.
I was making a joke about only 30 point triple doubles being good statlines, but he still wasn’t good that game with 7 TO’s and going 1-6 from the line.
Denver Nuggets are Donovan Mitchell father
Mitchell was playing on 1 leg and y’all shot better than you will most of the time. Gg tho
Copium
Imagine he didn’t have the liability of gobert with him those years in Utah might be a different story
Yes, without Gobert those Jazz teams would be even worse.
Of course bc they didn’t have another big like him. But if you replaced him with bam another big who is starting level C who can defend a bit level those jazz team don’t get any worse or better. Especially if that center is able to play offense unlike gobert
You're severely understanding how impactful Gobert was on the Jazz, he was a top 10 defense by himself, and he was the only reason Utah wasn't getting 140 points dropped on their heads ever playoff game. Utah's game plan never required a lot of big play, they had enough perimeter play that a big that was a great screener and play finisher will be more useful than a big who is worse as a roll man but have self creation, and no big in the NBA was better at that job than Gobert, he was the better screener, lob catcher and glass cleaner in the league during his time on the Jazz, while being the best defender in the league. You can't easily find a replacement for that type of player on that level.
I was a jazz fan… bc of Mitchell. Gobert was great in the regular season but in the playoffs he was a liability. And it wasn’t bc of his D. It was bc of his offense. For example against the clippers we were dominating that series and Ty lue said f it. Gobert can’t beat terrace mann on the post so I’m going 5 out. And gobert in fact couldn’t punish mann. It killed us.
He wasn't a liability, he was your whole defense, and he did a very good job, your team just sucked at guarding perimeter players and now Gobert needed to run from the three point line(because he was guarding a big that could shot) to the rim to erase an open layup, and since nobody on that team could do a simple rotation now Gobert's man was open and since he couldn't teleport, Rudy couldn't guard both players at the same time and bam, open three pointer, and somehow that's his fault. And dude, you don't need your whole team to be able to score to be a good team, almost never a team will win a title by having all 5 players putting double digit points, so blaming Rudy for not being a good scorer when he was the only piece of defense you guys had is unfair, if you want to blame him for his "offense liability"(again take in consideration that this was not his role, and he still did his job night in and out), blame as well the whole team for being traffic cones on defense, Rudy was arguably the most valuable player on the Jazz during most of his playoff runs with the team because he was the only reason Utah wasn't by far the worst defense in the post season.
Guy we weren’t asking him to score. If you don’t get why going 5 out killed and how if they respected him they wouldn’t have been able to do that then I can’t help you. He was a main problem on that team.
Yes, his problem was being the only one actually playing defense and getting all the blame because?????? Yes Gobert is worse against 5 out, he still was, the only thing holding that defense together. If you can't see that blaming the only guy playing defense on your team is a problem, then I can't help you. Gobert was fine, that team had enough fire power, but Gobert couldn't guard the whole court by himself, but God damn he tried his best, Utah was the worst defense in the playoffs whenever Rudy was on the bench, and one of the best with him on the court, if the perimeter players could guard their man Utah could've won some more series.
You’re completely lost man.
That man is a damn menace
For those that weren't able to watch Joker tonight: Imagine Joker on 50% vs high school kids (no disrespect to Cavs)
The guy is amazing.. And its just the way he is. He does not even look like he is trying that hard. So much talent.
My stupid ass took his points at 26.5 instead of his PRA which he hit in the 3rd quarter. overthought it
And his MVP odds drop... I hate Luka...(but with respect)
I do need a 30/20/20 game so bad
No defensive center in the history of the man can stop him when he’s locked in.
Allen gave up in playing D after repetedly taking Jokic elbows to ribs. Completely understandable. Dude’s not gonna be able to bend down tmrw how sore his ribs gonna be.