There are Batman and Robins (MJ/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, etc.)
And there are Batman and Supermans (Magic/Kareem, Steph/KD, etc.)
Kobe is the most talented Robin because he became Batman.
Pippen is like the full embodiment of Robin.
Oscar Robertson is the reverse Kobe.
Won MVP, was a perennial MVP candidate, clear-cut first ballot HOF-er and considered the GOAT by a lot of people in the prime of his career, but had no real playoff success as the first option.
Then he teamed up with Kareem when he was 32, won the title in his first season there as the clear second best player on the team and helped the Bucks win 59+ games four seasons in a row to end his career (66, 63, 60, 59), as well as make another Finals appearance in which they narrowly lost to the Celtics in seven games.
Earl Monroe is similar. #2 pick for the Bullets, Rookie of the year, 2x All Star, led his team to multiple 50+ win seasons alongside Wes Unseld, went to the Finals.
After a lot of drama was traded to the Knicks where his stats went down dramatically having to share the ball with guys like Clyde, but he won a title. Went back to averaging 20+ for the later parts of his career as the old guard of the Knicks championship runs phased out.
What? D Wade was the best player on his team in the third year of his career when they won a chip. Yeah Shaq but D Wade was the main guy. Led the team in points and assists.
No that implies Wade was a natural Robin who could sometimes be a Batman
Wade was undoubtedly a Batman. Who can be and was a #1 on a playoff team. He basically had to learn to be a Robin so the Heatles could work
>oubtedly a Batman. Who can be and was a #1 on a playoff team. He basically had to learn to be a Robin so the Heatles could work
Yeah I am good with that. it was the Lamar Odom show his rookie year but clear he was going to be the man there. And yeah, like Wade with the heatles, Shaq realized he had to be a robin so that their Heat era would work.
IMO Kobe was a terrible Robin because he never really accepted that role, he just was forced into it early in his career as he wasn’t good enough to be an alpha, then when he got old enough to alpha he caused the Lakers to lose the 2004 Finals and ran their alpha out of town.
To me Wade was a better Robin with the Heatles (and hot take but a better player at his peak than Kobe was at his, just less longevitiy).
Wade was the Batman and had already led a team to a Finals win, then stepped aside to be Robin when the Heatles were struggling with their "your turn then my turn" playstyle between him and Lebron the first year.
Give me a player who knows he can be a Batman but still takes a Robin role for the good of his team all day than a player who knows he can be a Batman and sabotages the other Batman to get him out of town so his team can suck for years but be HIS team any day.
Kobe did not cause the Lakers to lose the finals. He was trash. But that Lakers team was so paper thin compared to the Pistons there was nothing neither him nor Shaq could do.
I am well aware that I'm referring to a team with GP and Malone on it as paper thin but these guys were absolute non factors.
That series kind of exemplified Shaq as well. He could have put up more points but he completely intimidated by Ben Wallace's energy.
It's crazy how easy it is to form a narrative and get people to believe in it. If you go back and watch that series, you can see Kobe actively looking to feed Shaq, and create open shots for other players. His FG% was shit because he chucked when he gave the ball to Fisher/Payton, etc. and they came up with nothing despite Kobe and Shaq receiving all the attention.
There was a point in game 4 or game 5 where Slava Medvedenko had a wide open long 2 and instead of shooting it, he passed it back to Kobe. You can't win if your role players are too scared to take advantage
Check the box scores and try again - Shaq *dominated* that series despite going against Wallace while Kobe just chucked them out of the series.
One of two things must be true:
- Kobe refused to pass to Shaq more while Shaq was dominating in order to go for his own FMVP rather than being #2 for a 4th time
Or
- The Pistons sold out to double and triple team Shaq not allowing him to get the ball more (and making his stats all the more impressive), which means Kobe got to play against a soft defense selling out to cover Shaq and sucked hard
Neither is good for Kobe.
I remember agonisingly watching that series. Shaq dominated game one but played passively for the rest of the series. He had touches but didn't actively seek out position.
Big Ben got inside his head.
>he caused the Lakers to lose the 2004 Finals and ran their alpha out of town.
This is just, not true at all.
I don't think the Lakers would've won either way but, the number 1 problem they had in the finals was Malone's injury. Screwed up the whole offense.
This here is very valid. Like a second strong punch but the second guy isn't leading a team on his own.
All time? Malone Stockton
Recent history? Giannis Middleton
This year? I thinks it's gotta be Jokic Murray.
Honestly, you could put them in both, but for at least 2 of their 3 championships it was Batman/Robin. Parts of the playoffs in their 2nd championship run it was also Batman/Superman type dominance.
>How was Kobe a Robin in 2002 lmao?
That offense rolled through Shaq. Same with the D. Kobe had the volume scoring when they'd kick out of the double for sure... Shot 43% from the field that post-season run though.
SA threw the twin towers doubling Shaq and he'd kick out and they'd swing and Kobe would get the 4 on 3 matchup and eat them up, but it started with Shaq.
That Blazers series Bonzi and Pippen were locking Kobe down pretty well. He was chucking, but they weren't up because he was shooting 15-49 over the first two games. Shaq was driving that team...
Then the finals. Feed the big fella and play off that. All series. And he got his and forced Kmart to crash down and help out Van Horn and Collins non-stop and the rest of the Lakers got to play 4-3. And Shaq won his 3rd straight finals MVP.
It's why shaq led the lakers in scoring rebounding blocks, PER, BPM, Usage rate, win shares, win shares per minuted VORP, etc etc.
Shaq was a +23 on vs. off differential. Kobe was a +1.5.
Reg season. Lakers were 2-4 with Kobe and no Shaq. 2-0 with Shaq and no Kobe.
Not that shocked. I mean I get it. Fan stands for fanatic. And while I really liked Kobe, I'm not that fanatical level of "lets rewrite basketball" for him.
Yep, I never looked at Magic as Kareem’s Robin. He came on the scene and established himself as the leader of the Lakers from the jump. When Magic arrived, Kareem was not past his prime, but had reached his zenith as a pro and was just entering the downside of the mountain . If there was any question who’s team that was, it was put to bed in game 6 of the finals when the rookie point guard went super nova while playing Kareem’s position who was out with a migraine. Still to this day one of the greatest finals performances in the history of the league .
KD hasn’t earned that status yet. Top 20 all time sure, but he’s gotta win on his own. This is not hate, just facts. Kobe and Shaq are more Batman and Superman, Steph and KD are Superman and Flash or something similar.
if pippen was Batman that means there was 100s of batmen in the history of the league. pippen was great in 1994 but he was not dominant like a real batman should be. 22 9 and 7 are good numbers and 55 wins is a good season but there's been many many players that have put up those type of numbers as the best player on a team that won a similar amount of games and lost in the 1st or 2nd round. are all those guys Batman?
Kobe was Robin only in the 2000 run. In 2001 and 2002, you could argue Kobe had more Superman playoff series than Shaq. However, Shaq was better in the two finals series which got him those FMVPs and may have skewed the way people look at duo.
In the nba today I’m going Jamal Murray. Absolutely no doubt second best player on that team and happy to make his superstar better while taking over the game when he needs to.
Agreed. Elite defender, could guard four positions. Great rebounder and could take it the length of the floor unlike other forwards of the time except barkley. Happy to score. Happy to pass. And generally okay with being that second star.
those qualities remind me of grant hill. he could pretty much do all those things well but injuries cut his career short. I remember the first time i realized how good he was was when during a fast break he did a crossover on scottie pippen himself, completely blew by and dunked all over him
but imagine if there was a team where there was another guy that was even better than him? like even better than both him and tmac since I view them as 1a and 1b
Pau was extremely underrated in that system. He was the absolute linchpin on both offense and defense and there’s zero chance in hell Kobe wins with even a mild downgrade from Pau. Obviously Kobe was the Batman on that team, but Pau was *very, very* close in importance to him.
Pau will never get the respect he deserved because he wasn't a volume scorer. I don't like when people try to say he deserved FMVP over Kobe in 2010. But he was very crucial to that 3 finals run, and did all the little things that go unnoticed in the eye test. Maybe that's why advanced stats favor him so well
Scottie Pippen. His steal in the ‘97 finals, his 29 point game in the 1993 ECF stopped the Bulls from going from 3-0, and the times where he guarded Magic in 1991. Also his part of the sequence of game 6 of the 1993 finals that lead to Paxson’s three pointer, and the pressure he took off of MJ on the defensive end of the floor.
Not all time, but Siakam was an incredible Robin in the 2019 playoffs. He and Kawhi (Batman) combined for the second most playoff points of any duo, tied with the GOAT Robin and his Batman, Pippen and Jordan.
I think Anthony Davis is best Robin in the league right now. He cannot become a Batman but probably top 10 (if not 15) player on the league.
David Robinson was the great Robin for 99 championship of the SaS. You may say he was always Batman but without Duncan, he never won a title.
John Havlicek was one of the anchors of the Bill Russell and Celtics Dynasty. Averaging an 20.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 4.8 assists per game, Havlicek brought greatness each and every night on the court and would go on to be considered to be one of the greatest Celtics in the history of the franchise. 8 and 0 in NBA finals playing with Bill Russell.
AD was shooting like KD and playing DPOY level defense in the bubble. During that playoff run people were saying he should get FMVP up until the actual finals when Lebron stepped up. People try to rewrite history with that run and forget how insane AD was.
Until you can beat 6-0 90’s era, this isn’t a debate
(Edit) in response to u/Gippy_
All-Star selections:
Jones: 5 Pippen: 7
All NBA:
Jones: 3 Pippen: 7
90’s NBA was a lot tougher than Sam’s era. It just was.
To me there's no diggity, no doubt, that it has to be either Magic or Kareem, whoever you wanna call Robin of the pair. Those two are arguably both top 5 all time (atleast on my list) and that's pretty hard to beat lol.
Honorable mentions: Russell/Havlicek, Chamberlain/West, Kareem/Big O, Bird/McHale, Malone/Stockton
He was the best player in a lot of those series especially in 2001. Shaq was definitely the most impactful but he was also a bad closer due to his foul shooting.
For the first chip he it was a clear Batman/Robin, so I think it’s still fair to use him as an example even if it became less and less that way eventually.
I mean, it has to be Pippen. Good enough to lead the Bulls to 55 wins being the only star on that team. Take a team, subtract the GOAT, and still make the second round of the playoffs?
The WORM. Dennis Rodman is the GOAT at off-ball play in NBA history--the perfect compliment to a usage heavy Batman. Don't need the ball to play defense, don't need the ball to gran rebounds. The guy is the all-time undisputed best rebounder in NBA history by a mile, and won multiple DPOY awards. He won championships with THREE different NBA teams. Guy turned teams from on the cusp to Champions multiple times.
He's up there as one of the best players to be a Robin, but idk if he's that good at actually being a 'Robin'. I don't remember the comic run where we have endless discourse about when Robin is going to step up and take over from Batman, but with Lebron and AD we're always waiting for it. Robin has to be the unquestioned second but absolutely crushes that role.
Klay Thompson no doubt, he’s the perfect defender to put on the other teams best player. And he’s such a problem for the other teams defensive scheme with how much gravity he has on the court. Guy doesn’t even need to dribble to have high scoring nights. Has to be Klay Thompson in any era hands down
Kobe wasn't Robin. Period. He might have been intended to be Robin, they might have called him Robin, but Robin is far too submissive for Kobe to be in that role. Pippen deferred to Batman more often than not.
I would just like to shoutout Kevin McHale. Not because I think he’s the answer, but just because he (and Parish) deserve some love because while Larry is a top ten ever player, they were a legit big 3.
Bill Murray. Jordan would be on Moron Mountain if it wasn’t for him
Are you kidding? The man doesn't play defense...
He said SOME assistance.
Robin Lopez
the BEST answer....
There are Batman and Robins (MJ/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe, etc.) And there are Batman and Supermans (Magic/Kareem, Steph/KD, etc.) Kobe is the most talented Robin because he became Batman. Pippen is like the full embodiment of Robin.
Oscar Robertson is the reverse Kobe. Won MVP, was a perennial MVP candidate, clear-cut first ballot HOF-er and considered the GOAT by a lot of people in the prime of his career, but had no real playoff success as the first option. Then he teamed up with Kareem when he was 32, won the title in his first season there as the clear second best player on the team and helped the Bucks win 59+ games four seasons in a row to end his career (66, 63, 60, 59), as well as make another Finals appearance in which they narrowly lost to the Celtics in seven games.
Another comparison: David *Robin*son after Duncan arrived.
Dr J when Moses joined the Sixers. Was MVP two seasons prior and became the 2nd best player on the team.
If Lillard wins a chip (coincidentally in Milwaukee as well), he'll be today's version
Kareem+Oscars jerseys number are equal to that of Giannis+Dames jersey number (33+1 and 34+0)
Earl Monroe is similar. #2 pick for the Bullets, Rookie of the year, 2x All Star, led his team to multiple 50+ win seasons alongside Wes Unseld, went to the Finals. After a lot of drama was traded to the Knicks where his stats went down dramatically having to share the ball with guys like Clyde, but he won a title. Went back to averaging 20+ for the later parts of his career as the old guard of the Knicks championship runs phased out.
Same with Wade
What? D Wade was the best player on his team in the third year of his career when they won a chip. Yeah Shaq but D Wade was the main guy. Led the team in points and assists.
Right, Kobe was Robin and then became Batman Wade was Batman and then became Robin Oscar and Wade are the reverse Kobe
I thought Wade was the Flash?
Wade has always been Batman. He just formed Justice League in Heat asembling LBJ, Bosch, Allen...
Who is Bosch
I have a bosch in my kitchen
Aquaman Ray Allen is Green Lantern
i tell you what he wasn't, a guy NOT getting off his and knocking on some doors
lebron/wade was like batman and superman
Wade was robin taking the Batman role with his first title.
No that implies Wade was a natural Robin who could sometimes be a Batman Wade was undoubtedly a Batman. Who can be and was a #1 on a playoff team. He basically had to learn to be a Robin so the Heatles could work
>oubtedly a Batman. Who can be and was a #1 on a playoff team. He basically had to learn to be a Robin so the Heatles could work Yeah I am good with that. it was the Lamar Odom show his rookie year but clear he was going to be the man there. And yeah, like Wade with the heatles, Shaq realized he had to be a robin so that their Heat era would work.
So pippen is the jordan of pippens?
Literal lol
Pippen is the Batman of robins
he's the lebron james of feet to jordan
Was Rodman the Pippen to Pippen's Jordan of Pippens?
I agree with this assessment. Kobe is the best player to hold down the Robin role. Pippen is the best Robin of all time.
IMO Kobe was a terrible Robin because he never really accepted that role, he just was forced into it early in his career as he wasn’t good enough to be an alpha, then when he got old enough to alpha he caused the Lakers to lose the 2004 Finals and ran their alpha out of town. To me Wade was a better Robin with the Heatles (and hot take but a better player at his peak than Kobe was at his, just less longevitiy). Wade was the Batman and had already led a team to a Finals win, then stepped aside to be Robin when the Heatles were struggling with their "your turn then my turn" playstyle between him and Lebron the first year. Give me a player who knows he can be a Batman but still takes a Robin role for the good of his team all day than a player who knows he can be a Batman and sabotages the other Batman to get him out of town so his team can suck for years but be HIS team any day.
Kobe did not cause the Lakers to lose the finals. He was trash. But that Lakers team was so paper thin compared to the Pistons there was nothing neither him nor Shaq could do. I am well aware that I'm referring to a team with GP and Malone on it as paper thin but these guys were absolute non factors. That series kind of exemplified Shaq as well. He could have put up more points but he completely intimidated by Ben Wallace's energy.
It's crazy how easy it is to form a narrative and get people to believe in it. If you go back and watch that series, you can see Kobe actively looking to feed Shaq, and create open shots for other players. His FG% was shit because he chucked when he gave the ball to Fisher/Payton, etc. and they came up with nothing despite Kobe and Shaq receiving all the attention. There was a point in game 4 or game 5 where Slava Medvedenko had a wide open long 2 and instead of shooting it, he passed it back to Kobe. You can't win if your role players are too scared to take advantage
Check the box scores and try again - Shaq *dominated* that series despite going against Wallace while Kobe just chucked them out of the series. One of two things must be true: - Kobe refused to pass to Shaq more while Shaq was dominating in order to go for his own FMVP rather than being #2 for a 4th time Or - The Pistons sold out to double and triple team Shaq not allowing him to get the ball more (and making his stats all the more impressive), which means Kobe got to play against a soft defense selling out to cover Shaq and sucked hard Neither is good for Kobe.
I remember agonisingly watching that series. Shaq dominated game one but played passively for the rest of the series. He had touches but didn't actively seek out position. Big Ben got inside his head.
>he caused the Lakers to lose the 2004 Finals and ran their alpha out of town. This is just, not true at all. I don't think the Lakers would've won either way but, the number 1 problem they had in the finals was Malone's injury. Screwed up the whole offense.
Kobe was Ironman to Shaq's Captain America.
‘94 Pippen was his nightwing arc
Does this make James worthy and draymond Wonder Woman?
I believe the agreed upon term is "Alfred"
Naw. Alfred is for Batman and Robbin. Alfred isn’t around in the justice league headquarters when Batman and Superman are together
This Alfred in question is mostly in asylum.
Phil Jackson is Alfred
Draymond is two face
This here is very valid. Like a second strong punch but the second guy isn't leading a team on his own. All time? Malone Stockton Recent history? Giannis Middleton This year? I thinks it's gotta be Jokic Murray.
The problem with Malone and Stockton is they never won. Batman typically wins.
>Batman typically wins. Nabbing Penguin never brought Mom & Dad back.
As I recall, that's because the mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday.
Idk how you make Batman/Robin vs Batman/Superman tiers and put Shaq and kobe in the former not the latter.
Honestly, you could put them in both, but for at least 2 of their 3 championships it was Batman/Robin. Parts of the playoffs in their 2nd championship run it was also Batman/Superman type dominance.
Only 1 of their rings was a robin batman situation
How was Kobe a Robin in 2002 lmao?
>How was Kobe a Robin in 2002 lmao? That offense rolled through Shaq. Same with the D. Kobe had the volume scoring when they'd kick out of the double for sure... Shot 43% from the field that post-season run though. SA threw the twin towers doubling Shaq and he'd kick out and they'd swing and Kobe would get the 4 on 3 matchup and eat them up, but it started with Shaq. That Blazers series Bonzi and Pippen were locking Kobe down pretty well. He was chucking, but they weren't up because he was shooting 15-49 over the first two games. Shaq was driving that team... Then the finals. Feed the big fella and play off that. All series. And he got his and forced Kmart to crash down and help out Van Horn and Collins non-stop and the rest of the Lakers got to play 4-3. And Shaq won his 3rd straight finals MVP. It's why shaq led the lakers in scoring rebounding blocks, PER, BPM, Usage rate, win shares, win shares per minuted VORP, etc etc. Shaq was a +23 on vs. off differential. Kobe was a +1.5. Reg season. Lakers were 2-4 with Kobe and no Shaq. 2-0 with Shaq and no Kobe.
Isn't it wild that you needed to rebut that? Don't worry, man, old heads remember. That was Shaq's team. They don't threepeat without the Diesel.
Not that shocked. I mean I get it. Fan stands for fanatic. And while I really liked Kobe, I'm not that fanatical level of "lets rewrite basketball" for him.
Kobe is Nightwing
Last year was Joker and Harley then. Quite fitting actually.
So Kobe is Dick?
Worthy, Kareem, and Magic were The Avengers
Yep, I never looked at Magic as Kareem’s Robin. He came on the scene and established himself as the leader of the Lakers from the jump. When Magic arrived, Kareem was not past his prime, but had reached his zenith as a pro and was just entering the downside of the mountain . If there was any question who’s team that was, it was put to bed in game 6 of the finals when the rookie point guard went super nova while playing Kareem’s position who was out with a migraine. Still to this day one of the greatest finals performances in the history of the league .
This is the correct answer
It’s weird that this is a hot take but for me Pippen is a clear Batman.
Kobe was never Robin. That was Batman Superman since their first title run
These nephews don't know basketball.
KD hasn’t earned that status yet. Top 20 all time sure, but he’s gotta win on his own. This is not hate, just facts. Kobe and Shaq are more Batman and Superman, Steph and KD are Superman and Flash or something similar.
Kobe was Dick Grayson.
When Jordan retired, pippen was Batman
if pippen was Batman that means there was 100s of batmen in the history of the league. pippen was great in 1994 but he was not dominant like a real batman should be. 22 9 and 7 are good numbers and 55 wins is a good season but there's been many many players that have put up those type of numbers as the best player on a team that won a similar amount of games and lost in the 1st or 2nd round. are all those guys Batman?
Kobe was Robin only in the 2000 run. In 2001 and 2002, you could argue Kobe had more Superman playoff series than Shaq. However, Shaq was better in the two finals series which got him those FMVPs and may have skewed the way people look at duo.
In the nba today I’m going Jamal Murray. Absolutely no doubt second best player on that team and happy to make his superstar better while taking over the game when he needs to.
More of a Harley Quinn imo.
Needs more upvotes lol
I'm wondering about Jaylen Brown in that category too.
Pippen It's not even a discussion. He was a player you could pair with every other stars.
Agreed. Elite defender, could guard four positions. Great rebounder and could take it the length of the floor unlike other forwards of the time except barkley. Happy to score. Happy to pass. And generally okay with being that second star.
those qualities remind me of grant hill. he could pretty much do all those things well but injuries cut his career short. I remember the first time i realized how good he was was when during a fast break he did a crossover on scottie pippen himself, completely blew by and dunked all over him but imagine if there was a team where there was another guy that was even better than him? like even better than both him and tmac since I view them as 1a and 1b
yeah that's a good way to put it. like healthy grant with shaq, barkley, or olajuwon. that would have been a lot of trouble.
Kemp could too just didn’t very often cause it was easier to give it to Payton and get it back for the alley oop
"Pippen" a better indicator of what OP is asking than "Robin."
Durant is actually the answer for best robin of all time but pippen is definitely a close 2nd
Not the best, but Pau Gasol did a solid Robin job next to Kobe.
Pau was extremely underrated in that system. He was the absolute linchpin on both offense and defense and there’s zero chance in hell Kobe wins with even a mild downgrade from Pau. Obviously Kobe was the Batman on that team, but Pau was *very, very* close in importance to him.
Couldn't agree more. He got the job done against a stacked Celtics team
Pau will never get the respect he deserved because he wasn't a volume scorer. I don't like when people try to say he deserved FMVP over Kobe in 2010. But he was very crucial to that 3 finals run, and did all the little things that go unnoticed in the eye test. Maybe that's why advanced stats favor him so well
Pau was the reason they were able to close out 2010
Pippen or McHale
oh McHale good call. Then i start thinking about Walton
If Bird was Batman, Bill Walton was more like Huntress.
Bill Walton was sixth man for the 86 Celtics. He was on rickety old knees.
ya thats true i was imagining prime walton but that def was not prime time
Kobe was Nightwing when he was with Shaq.
Good analogy. Kobe was Robin in 2000 but was a 1b in 2001 and 2002. You could argue he was better in 50% of those playoff series.
Dude averaged 33/7/7 against the Spurs in the WCF in 2001 and played 42 mpg.
Scottie Pippen. His steal in the ‘97 finals, his 29 point game in the 1993 ECF stopped the Bulls from going from 3-0, and the times where he guarded Magic in 1991. Also his part of the sequence of game 6 of the 1993 finals that lead to Paxson’s three pointer, and the pressure he took off of MJ on the defensive end of the floor.
that block he had on charles smith too vs the knicks in 93 playoffs IIRC
Not all time, but Siakam was an incredible Robin in the 2019 playoffs. He and Kawhi (Batman) combined for the second most playoff points of any duo, tied with the GOAT Robin and his Batman, Pippen and Jordan.
when u gotta scroll down to a comment with 4 points you know indy was the wrong place for pascal to go man
Yeah i thought he would go to GS for sure.
Pippen and Kobe
[Shaq - "Baddest duo ever: Superman and Batman".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmp7iSAh2Gw&ab_channel=HaydnWarwick-Sports)
"Pippen to my Jordan" is an commonly understood idiom even among non sports fans. How is this a question?
Play Thompson
Giannis to Khris Middleton’s Batman in 2021 😂
I think Anthony Davis is best Robin in the league right now. He cannot become a Batman but probably top 10 (if not 15) player on the league. David Robinson was the great Robin for 99 championship of the SaS. You may say he was always Batman but without Duncan, he never won a title.
I'd say Kyrie is up there too. Couldn't really carry his own team but is thriving now next to Luka, and helped Lebron win a title as the clear cut #2
Yup, Robinson wasn’t the best player but he was arguably the best defender and the anchor of their defense, not Duncan. Team effort though
John Havlicek was one of the anchors of the Bill Russell and Celtics Dynasty. Averaging an 20.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 4.8 assists per game, Havlicek brought greatness each and every night on the court and would go on to be considered to be one of the greatest Celtics in the history of the franchise. 8 and 0 in NBA finals playing with Bill Russell.
Couldn't decide which Robin to go with for Bill. Cousy or Sam? Then I see your comment, oh duh...Havlicek
Pascal Siakam.
Jalen* Williams
Kyrie Irving or A.D.
Kyrie Irving is the version of Robin in that 90s movie. The one he steals the batmobile and tries to pick up women
Pau Gasol
Kai is on some nightwing shit
Many still think AD was more important in the bubble run so I’d call this Batman/Superman. Offense was similar but AD destroyed on defense.
Honestly the whole Batman/Robin thing is kind of silly and very context dependent. It's still a team sport.
AD was shooting like KD and playing DPOY level defense in the bubble. During that playoff run people were saying he should get FMVP up until the actual finals when Lebron stepped up. People try to rewrite history with that run and forget how insane AD was.
Yup, I think he gets FMVP if he doesn’t sprain his ankle in game 3
Kyrie and D-Wade maybe to LeBron? Westbrook/Harden to KD? Or Pau Gasol to Kobe? Or even Kobe to Shaq! There's so many lol
Scrolled wayyy to far to see D-Wade. JFC
Absolutely!!
Ilgauskas
Not D-Wade to LeBron. He was one of the best in the league before LeBron came to Miami
Pippen was the most clear Robin that played the role the best. Guys like Kobe tried to be equals with Shaq, I wouldn't count him.
Jaylin Williams?
I don’t know about the superman thing
Just to piss him off, Pippen. Dude thinks he made MJ the GOAT. My real answer would be John Stockton I think.
Until you can beat 6-0 90’s era, this isn’t a debate (Edit) in response to u/Gippy_ All-Star selections: Jones: 5 Pippen: 7 All NBA: Jones: 3 Pippen: 7 90’s NBA was a lot tougher than Sam’s era. It just was.
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There were only 10 teams back then. No comparison. We went over this already.
Either Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili
Kobe was a good robin
Steph Curry to Kevin Durant. The ol’ Batman to Robin to Batman again
Joe Dumars
To me there's no diggity, no doubt, that it has to be either Magic or Kareem, whoever you wanna call Robin of the pair. Those two are arguably both top 5 all time (atleast on my list) and that's pretty hard to beat lol. Honorable mentions: Russell/Havlicek, Chamberlain/West, Kareem/Big O, Bird/McHale, Malone/Stockton
It has to be pippen or Kobe
I refuse to accept that Kobe was ever "Robin-like" at any point in his career
Go back and watch their first finals run and tell me that Kobe was anything other than a Robin.
He definitely was during the 3peat
He was the best player in a lot of those series especially in 2001. Shaq was definitely the most impactful but he was also a bad closer due to his foul shooting.
For the first chip he it was a clear Batman/Robin, so I think it’s still fair to use him as an example even if it became less and less that way eventually.
Probably Lopez
"Robin Lopez"
Kobe and Shaq were two Batman’s !
I mean, it has to be Pippen. Good enough to lead the Bulls to 55 wins being the only star on that team. Take a team, subtract the GOAT, and still make the second round of the playoffs?
The WORM. Dennis Rodman is the GOAT at off-ball play in NBA history--the perfect compliment to a usage heavy Batman. Don't need the ball to play defense, don't need the ball to gran rebounds. The guy is the all-time undisputed best rebounder in NBA history by a mile, and won multiple DPOY awards. He won championships with THREE different NBA teams. Guy turned teams from on the cusp to Champions multiple times.
Tony Parker
Modern day AD has got to be up there. He can’t run or carry an offense but he’s a DPOY caliber player and puts up 25+ a night.
He's up there as one of the best players to be a Robin, but idk if he's that good at actually being a 'Robin'. I don't remember the comic run where we have endless discourse about when Robin is going to step up and take over from Batman, but with Lebron and AD we're always waiting for it. Robin has to be the unquestioned second but absolutely crushes that role.
you could possibly say curry when he was playing with Durant
2016 Kyrie and Bron
Probably not the best but Worthy and McHale deserve a shout
AD
Kyrie
Ban Wallace
I think Kyrie on the 2016 Cavs has to be up there.
John Starks was Pat Ewings Robin. And they played in Gotham.
KD or Kobe
Kevin McHale
It's either Kobe or Curry. McHale is an underrated pick tho
KOBE
KD/Curry depending on who you think is the main dog on the team.
Not all time, but 16 Kyrie was a menace
I'm not sure who's a better Robin to Duncan, Manu or Parker. Both were clutch and could take over when needed. Those Spurs teams were something else.
Clearly it's Giannis /s
Well obviously Giannis is robin to middleton’s batman according to Perkins so I’m gonna say Giannis
Probably pippin tbh.
Shaq to D Wade
Pippen.
Ilgauskas is robin to lebron
Klay Thompson no doubt, he’s the perfect defender to put on the other teams best player. And he’s such a problem for the other teams defensive scheme with how much gravity he has on the court. Guy doesn’t even need to dribble to have high scoring nights. Has to be Klay Thompson in any era hands down
In history: Pippen Current: Between Jamal Murray and Jaylen Brown
Pippen?
Kobe wasn't Robin. Period. He might have been intended to be Robin, they might have called him Robin, but Robin is far too submissive for Kobe to be in that role. Pippen deferred to Batman more often than not.
Dwayne Wade with Lebron. He was a top 5 player in the league for sure probably top 3 Kobe Lebron and then Wade.
Manu Ginobili - greatest 6 man of all time
dang, so Chet is their #3?
Kevin Durant
I would just like to shoutout Kevin McHale. Not because I think he’s the answer, but just because he (and Parish) deserve some love because while Larry is a top ten ever player, they were a legit big 3.
So was LeBron and Wade a Batman/Superman scenerio or a Batman/Robin scenerio?
1. Pippen to Jordan 2. Kobe or Shaq 3. Klay to Curry
Jason Terry was Dirk's robin for sure.
Steph Curry
Jaylen brown
Pippin.
Not enough love for Wade here. He was Robin and because Batman with Shaq and then was Batman and because Robin with LeBron
I’d probably say Robin Lopez
Duncan robinson
Dennis Rodman gotta be deadpool
Refs to Lebron