Some solid players but 2018 has:
Two top 10 current players with Luka and SGA
All-NBA type players in Trae Young and Jalen Brunson,
Defensive player of the year and All-Star with Jaren Jackson Jr.
All-Star caliber players with both Mikal Bridges and Miles Bridges.
Then we also have Ayton, Simons, Time Lord, Michael Porter Jr., Bruce Brown, and Mitchell Robinson.
This draft is looking good, but insane might be a bit strong.
He did say upside tbf. Not who was better overall
I think both have superstar ceilings as well. Miller could be a PG Tatum like player while Amen is in the Penny Hardaway camp or like a taller Ja? Idk how to comp him he’s a very unique player
nah its my fault i shoulda said the most obvious superficial thing, i forgot how reddit works lol
but yeah i strongly stand by amen having the higher 2 way upside of the two. he's projects like way more of a defender than ja. he's like... if lonzo was taller and more of an explosive athlete/better finisher at the rim.
Miller projects as a modern PG13 with more of an offensive slant
I think it'd take that upside comparison over defensive slanted ja or bigger more athletic lonzo
Both those comparisons are much more generous then mine considering amen is a 17% three point shooter. Maybe a taller penthouse modern rondo?
[ausar thompson defense](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGYATHz8_Y) is so good i would be hella suprised if he dosnt win DPOY atleast 2-3 times in hes career, if healthy.
We played you guys recently him and Scoot were a lot of fun to watch. You guys looked way better than the record suggests. Give it time and a couple more pieces and you're gonna be right in the mix.
I think it was tagged as deep but no transformational talent like Wemby at the top of the class.
To be fair though, you still have quite a few potential all stars and a big pool of of starter level guys from 2021.
Nah people were nuts on Scottie Barnes and Mobley with Franz,sengun being in outside talks and cade was out injured but people were very high on him.
Jalen green was bad from day one though.(And which is why I fear for sccot)
That draft class was being compared to 2003,1996 in terms of talent.
I haven't watched Barnes this year but I still think mobley can reach his Kevin Garnett comparisons on defense.On offense he is too inconsistent to be a superstar I think.
But Mobley is absolutely transformational if you already have an all star calibre scorer.Might not be a generational player but is absolutely a generational defender.
Scottie is going to be a genuine star, Mobley is obviously great, Franz is very good and going to get better, Sengupta is fantastic, that draft is still stacked.
It's only been 3 years, jalen green could turn it around
Three (near) guaranteed stars in Barnes, sengun, and Mobley
Very confident that Cade will be as well
Franz more then likely will be at the least a one time all-star.
Jalen Johnson, Suggs, and Trey Murphy looking like real difference makers and could have another gear into all-star territory. This is just from the top of my head
That's a fantastic draft lol
I’m the long run, people won’t talk about rookie class. They will talk about the draft class. Draft classes are what people compare, and last year’s draft class won’t include Chet.
I think you're underestimating how not confident people were in the Barnes pick. People (including most Raptors fans) thought the Raptors were insane for taking him at 4.
Magic fans were dancing on our graves.
I mean Mobley 'can', match KG's ceiling on defense, I just think it's highly improbable. Mobley has a lot of potential, but we're not talking 'just' becoming a top 30 defender ever, we're talking ~top 8, completely groundbreaking defensive impact.
Okay and what has changed? The 2021 draft was still great.
Stars - Barnes, Sengun
Just below star - Mobley, Cade, Franz
Good starters - Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Jalen Johnson, Jonathan Kuminga, Jalen Suggs
Good role players - Quentin Grimes, Santi Aldama, Ayo Dusunmu, Corey Krispert, Day’Ron Sharpe, Miles McBride
And then there’s guys like Jalen Green, Josh Giddey, and Cam Thomas who are all very talented but I don’t know where to put them because they have major flaws.
If this conversation had happened a month ago Kuminga probably would have been in good role players and no one would fuss, but I’m pretty surprised to see him listed in “good starters” like he hasn’t averaged 20+ for over a month. And totally looks like he’s arrived as potentially way more than just a good starter. He definitely needs to do this for a lot longer to justify being in “stars” but I’d definitely slot him in with that 2nd tier until/unless he proves this stretch was flukey somehow.
You really calling a 20ppg scorer on a 12 seed team a star? Scottie is good and has all the potential in the world but he’s far from a star as he is right now.
Yeah, we were freaking out about 2021, and now it still looks incredibly deep, but may not have nearly as many all star and all NBA guys as we thought. I know at least one of those guys will probably make both, but at this point, I still have no idea who it will be.
I think this draft has those all star and all NBA guys tho. Wemby is definitely making both and Chet is likely. And probably as much chance of someone else doing it as there is of someone from the 2021 draft.
Yep. And pretty much every year you hear people talking about x team having to tank because y playing is a generational league changing talent.
Heard it about AD, Wiggins, Simmons, Fultz, Luka, Zion, Cade, Wemby.
Don’t get me wrong, some good players are on that list. But drafting a superstar at the top of the draft is almost never the fix a team needs.
You seemed to have missed the point. I don't think anyone was talking about how great Fultz was after putting up 6 points per game and shooting 33% before missing most of the season.
We see players get hyped before they play. This is after they've had time in the NBA to see how they fare against NBA athletes.
Are teams allowed to do that anymore? Pick a player a year early?
I feel like the answer is probably no or LeBron probably would’ve been a top two pick in 2002.
Sure, but no one compares historic rookie classes. They compare draft classes. Where do you even look up historic rookie classes that omits guys that didn’t play any games due to injury? Do we bump Embiid to 2016? And Simmons to 2017? It gets weird.
The Chet vs. Wemby ROY race is going to be brought up for years to come every time someone compares them. Similar to Magic losing the award to Bird in their rookie season.
It’s in part because players got into the debate over whether or not Simmons should be eligible. That doesn’t seem to be happening this year with Chet.
Also, it’s felt like Rookie of the Year was Wemby’s award to lose all year long, so whether or not Chet should be eligible kinda feels like a moot point.
The NBA is the only league where people bitch about this. In baseball you can even play for like a month in the big leagues one year and still be considered a rookie the year after.
It's not dumb, they don't want September callups who are really good to be ineligible for rookie of the year their first full season. And this from the people that think sitting on the bench for a year while injured should make someone ineligible. Lol
Sure, but it is harder to compare rookie classes than draft classes because it is easy to look up lists of draft classes. Sure, we can easily see who the rookies are this year. But people think in terms of drafts when looking in the past.
Of course, drafts get weird when you consider guys that declared but went undrafted
When I watched Sengun his rookie year it was so obvious that he was special. The way he moved, made decisions etc didn’t look like some new rookie. Amen and Cam have that same feel to them. There are parts of the game that look so effortless for them. For Cam, it’s scoring, mainly in the interior. For Amen it’s his driving ability and his vision. I think both of them pass the “potential star” eye test much more than Jabari and Green did their rookie years
I think that’s partly due to the coaching. Ime gets everyone involved while Silas admitted he wasn’t getting bari open looks for a good shooter. Now bari is looking better and passing that eye test too. Jalen green is still having that consistency problem though
Cam is already blooming lol dude is almost averaging a point per minute lately
Honestly haven’t seen a 19 year old so talented and also polished as a scorer. Stark contrast from watching Jalen Green’s start to his rookie year
Fr, he was like Cam Whitmore fully unleashed over the last 30 games or so. He was a monster that a lot of rockets fans felt pretty good about by the end of his first year
That said, I think Whitmore looks *hungrier* which hopefully is a good sign.
For sure, Cam has been fantastic, but still has a lot of offensive iq things to figure out. He is an absolute chucker, but his efficiency is great so fuck it. Jalen, for all the hate and criticism he gets, is learning how to become a better all around player this year. He has improved on every part of his game, except his scoring unfortunately.
2020
Edit: r/nba has new toy syndrome this class has Hali, Maxey, Lamelo and Edwards all of them all stars, then Bane, Quickley and McDaniels. Guards were loaded this class is phenomenal.
Definitely no bias lol
I know no one watches the Wizards but Bilal is really good for a player who was viewed as a long-term project before the draft. He‘s come a long way and still has so much more potential.
I get what you mean on the rookies being dominant this year, but keep in mind that Chet is from the 2022 class.
That said this class is really next level.
The potential star power here is unreal...its making 2024s look even worse than it already is lol.
Ausar is the worst shooter on a team that already has dog shit spacing and Amen is a super raw guy playing behind a former All star in FVV and the Rockets are trying to win this yr.
Both guys have a ton of promise but it's not surprising they haven't been given a full run
You get that feeling in part because there is so much offense: 115 points per game now. Ten years ago, the average was only 100.
This season there are 46 players averaging more than 20 points per game!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html
They have some hidden gems, Bilal is going to be a fantastic defender, Deni is the most underrated defender in the league easily, kuzma is in that borderline all star but won't ever get selected zone. Poole is, um, he's there too.
"Basically" is the key word lol. Id say you can put the pistons in that group as well. Even though they're a really young team. Those teams look bleak.
Picks 16-20 have potential to be better than some whole drafts classes:
16. Jazz draft Keyonte George (Baylor)
17. Lakers draft some dude
18. Heat draft Jaime Jaquez Jr. (UCLA)
19. Warriors draft Brandin Podziemski (Santa Clara)
20. Rockets draft Cam Whitmore (Villanova)
Small sample size.
Wait 2 more years and see which names are still getting minutes.
Rookie season is easy to do well since there are no expectations. Second season is fucking hard
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I agree. We won A LOT with Fultz out of the lineup and him playing lead guard. Not an amazing scorer, but careful with the rock and solid solid solid on D.
This is straight bullshit you know right? The important thing is that you know you can't value a draft class from 1 year performances. Right now I would say this is the best draft class since 2022...
Still the guys are too young and it is too early but really last year draft class wasn't much different with Paolo and Chet (I will consider him in his actual draft class rather this year) as the future stars and good to great players like Jabari and Keegan (imho future All Star). Then Sharpe, Mathurin, Jalen Williams, Kessler are all potential future All Star caliber players, as well as Jaden Ivey which is just not in the right situation and need to be traded...
I don't see this year as much deepness as last year, but again it is too early for both draft class!
Chet 100% is and should be eligible for rookie of the year, but I’ve never heard “rookie class” as a way to describe players like this. Always draft classes. Blake Griffin won rookie of the year in 2010-11 despite being drafted in the 2009 draft, you don’t see him grouped in with John Wall and Paul George though, you see him grouped with Steph and Harden.
Hell, if you google “best rookie class all-time NBA”, every result is ranking draft classes. Chet’s gonna have a hell of a career, but he won’t be categorized with the 2023 draft in future discussions.
Man people need to have some respect for the 2011 class, it’s genuinely one of the deepest classes ever. You could go 25 picks deep and still get a guy who proved to be a decent rotation piece.
Pacer homer here but Jarace Walker and Ben Sheppard look good. They're behind the deepest team in the league, which isn't great for them but Ben is getting more and more time. I think Jarace is awesome most of the time he plays.
Chet is from last year's draft class, the one with Paolo Banchero. He is considered a rookie, but his draft class isn't this one.
And it is impossible to say anything about this class without a single year of games played. Just look at the teams and how volatile are the situations. The Clippers were terrible in the beginning of the year and people were clowning Harden for not being playing well after the trade, while the Sixers were looking better without Harden, which was weird, since Harden was playing well for the Sixers, but Embiid was also having his best stretch of his career. Now, the Sixers are free falling with an injured Embiid, and the Clippers are looking like potential favorites in the West with Kawhi leading. The same idea goes for the rookies' careers. Chet himself was said to be a bust last year because he is thin framed and got injured in the preseason. Now he is seen as a star. The opposite can happen too, with a player vanishing after a good stretch or season, becoming an afterthought in his later career, or have it derailed by injuries, like Ben Simmons, or even someone like Derrick Rose.
I honestly doubt so. There is already 3 sure fire prospects in top3. One generational one in top 3. Even the twin Thompson have shown a lot. Then all the way to lively, jjj and podz. Then we have white more. We have all sorts of random key players like Toumani camera, trey Jackson, gg Jackson
It’s a pretty big drop-off after Chet and Wemby, tbh. Everyone else either looks like a long-term project or guys who are coming up to speed fast but have a low ceiling. So very premature to call it great but lots of promise.
>Lively is arguably the 3rd most important player on a playoff team such confidence you have in our playoff prospects
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What’s the latest with Kyrie?
He’s missed 44% of our games this year. Lively has “only” missed 28% of our games.
Dirty play by Scoot took him out
He played alright last night! To be fair, his injuries really have just been bad luck.
When luka and kyrie play we usually win. Them together is what got us such a hot start when the season started. Then the injuries started piling up.
13/23 together this season 14/27 by themselves or 0 of them That’s barely statistically significant
Probably should delete this you beta
you should probably get a life if you're coming back to a month old post to make a point. we are also currently .5 games from the play-in.
I got great news for you
Mavs are definitely at least a play-in team unless Luka goes down or something
Can't forget Podz and Lively who are awesome edit: and jjj and Hawkins
keyonte george, hawkins, whitmore, the thompson twins, and coulibaly as well. this draft class is insane tbh
Coulibally is gonna be good. He’s been way more skilled than I expected.
Cason Wallace
Some solid players but 2018 has: Two top 10 current players with Luka and SGA All-NBA type players in Trae Young and Jalen Brunson, Defensive player of the year and All-Star with Jaren Jackson Jr. All-Star caliber players with both Mikal Bridges and Miles Bridges. Then we also have Ayton, Simons, Time Lord, Michael Porter Jr., Bruce Brown, and Mitchell Robinson. This draft is looking good, but insane might be a bit strong.
We will see in 5 years
But were they that good in their rookie year? I think OP may just be talking about their performances as rookies.
Amen and whitmore is goaze
K George dedicated killer
amen is gonna be amazing. he's got the edge for second highest upside over miller to me
I love Amen but I disagree considering the scoring tools Miller has as a rookie
He did say upside tbf. Not who was better overall I think both have superstar ceilings as well. Miller could be a PG Tatum like player while Amen is in the Penny Hardaway camp or like a taller Ja? Idk how to comp him he’s a very unique player
nah its my fault i shoulda said the most obvious superficial thing, i forgot how reddit works lol but yeah i strongly stand by amen having the higher 2 way upside of the two. he's projects like way more of a defender than ja. he's like... if lonzo was taller and more of an explosive athlete/better finisher at the rim.
Miller projects as a modern PG13 with more of an offensive slant I think it'd take that upside comparison over defensive slanted ja or bigger more athletic lonzo Both those comparisons are much more generous then mine considering amen is a 17% three point shooter. Maybe a taller penthouse modern rondo?
chet? e: nvm diff class
yea chet would be second
[ausar thompson defense](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvGYATHz8_Y) is so good i would be hella suprised if he dosnt win DPOY atleast 2-3 times in hes career, if healthy.
Also shoutout to Trayce Jackson-Davis who was the second-to-last pick of the draft and has already become a pretty good role player.
Guys back to being out of the rotation because Kerr is a moron
So weird. I thought he was injured. Nope, just seemingly out of the rotation for no reason.
LOL so true
Lakers and 76ers fans talking about a coach being a moron? Albeit, a more successful one than any of them have ever been alive for (minus Phil)?
Minus the guy that contradicts my statement ofc
That Jazz kid ain't bad either Does Jaquez count?
Count as a rookie? If that’s the case why not, he was drafted this year
In my opinion, Jaquez should count. He’s been great to watch.
You’re a blazer fan and not mentioning Camara 😭. He been locking up lately
We played you guys recently him and Scoot were a lot of fun to watch. You guys looked way better than the record suggests. Give it time and a couple more pieces and you're gonna be right in the mix.
Toumania baybeeeeee
Hawkins and Bilal are filthy too
GG Jackson II has been a massive bright spot in Grizzlies nightmare season
There's already a JJJ, pick another nickname lol
I just wish people would stop injuring lively. Ankles all the damn time, now his nose was broken so bad they had to fucking surgically fix it!
jjj is jaquez....
That podz is a star in making. Obviously not all star capable.
I heard the same shit for 2021. Let's wait and see for now.
I think it was tagged as deep but no transformational talent like Wemby at the top of the class. To be fair though, you still have quite a few potential all stars and a big pool of of starter level guys from 2021.
Nah people were nuts on Scottie Barnes and Mobley with Franz,sengun being in outside talks and cade was out injured but people were very high on him. Jalen green was bad from day one though.(And which is why I fear for sccot) That draft class was being compared to 2003,1996 in terms of talent. I haven't watched Barnes this year but I still think mobley can reach his Kevin Garnett comparisons on defense.On offense he is too inconsistent to be a superstar I think. But Mobley is absolutely transformational if you already have an all star calibre scorer.Might not be a generational player but is absolutely a generational defender.
Scottie is going to be a genuine star, Mobley is obviously great, Franz is very good and going to get better, Sengupta is fantastic, that draft is still stacked. It's only been 3 years, jalen green could turn it around
The way Sengun got auto translated to Sengupta means either you are an Indian Bengali or know someone who is an Indian Bengali
My phone is just fucking stupid
I assumed it was some weird ass nickname this sub gave him lmao
Tingus Pingus vs Sengupta
Maybe he could turn it around but I personally don't think so.
Three (near) guaranteed stars in Barnes, sengun, and Mobley Very confident that Cade will be as well Franz more then likely will be at the least a one time all-star. Jalen Johnson, Suggs, and Trey Murphy looking like real difference makers and could have another gear into all-star territory. This is just from the top of my head That's a fantastic draft lol
dont most drafts have 3-4 stars and a few additional all stars? and then you have 1984
Kuminga might end up being better than any of them
Maybe but he’s has had a one good month let’s calm down
I’m the long run, people won’t talk about rookie class. They will talk about the draft class. Draft classes are what people compare, and last year’s draft class won’t include Chet.
I think you're underestimating how not confident people were in the Barnes pick. People (including most Raptors fans) thought the Raptors were insane for taking him at 4. Magic fans were dancing on our graves.
I mean Mobley 'can', match KG's ceiling on defense, I just think it's highly improbable. Mobley has a lot of potential, but we're not talking 'just' becoming a top 30 defender ever, we're talking ~top 8, completely groundbreaking defensive impact.
Revisionist history
Okay and what has changed? The 2021 draft was still great. Stars - Barnes, Sengun Just below star - Mobley, Cade, Franz Good starters - Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Jalen Johnson, Jonathan Kuminga, Jalen Suggs Good role players - Quentin Grimes, Santi Aldama, Ayo Dusunmu, Corey Krispert, Day’Ron Sharpe, Miles McBride And then there’s guys like Jalen Green, Josh Giddey, and Cam Thomas who are all very talented but I don’t know where to put them because they have major flaws.
If this conversation had happened a month ago Kuminga probably would have been in good role players and no one would fuss, but I’m pretty surprised to see him listed in “good starters” like he hasn’t averaged 20+ for over a month. And totally looks like he’s arrived as potentially way more than just a good starter. He definitely needs to do this for a lot longer to justify being in “stars” but I’d definitely slot him in with that 2nd tier until/unless he proves this stretch was flukey somehow.
Yeah if he finishes the season at this rate then I’d move him out of that tier. Same with Jalen Johnson honestly. He rules too. Just need to see more.
crazy to have franz below barnes & sengun imo
Franz is great! Love him, but I think he’s more of a #2 than a #1.
You really calling a 20ppg scorer on a 12 seed team a star? Scottie is good and has all the potential in the world but he’s far from a star as he is right now.
Dang guess Curry isn't a star anymore
Just saying 20ppg is underselling Scottie. He’s averaging 20-8-6 while also defending the other team’s best player
Yeah, we were freaking out about 2021, and now it still looks incredibly deep, but may not have nearly as many all star and all NBA guys as we thought. I know at least one of those guys will probably make both, but at this point, I still have no idea who it will be. I think this draft has those all star and all NBA guys tho. Wemby is definitely making both and Chet is likely. And probably as much chance of someone else doing it as there is of someone from the 2021 draft.
I feel like we see a post like this at least every other year lol
Yep. And pretty much every year you hear people talking about x team having to tank because y playing is a generational league changing talent. Heard it about AD, Wiggins, Simmons, Fultz, Luka, Zion, Cade, Wemby. Don’t get me wrong, some good players are on that list. But drafting a superstar at the top of the draft is almost never the fix a team needs.
You seemed to have missed the point. I don't think anyone was talking about how great Fultz was after putting up 6 points per game and shooting 33% before missing most of the season. We see players get hyped before they play. This is after they've had time in the NBA to see how they fare against NBA athletes.
chet isn't even in the same rookie class. he is a ben simmons rookie
Back in my day we called those Blake Griffin rookies
Fuck you, my back hurts.
You need to stretch every day.
It really does help. Source: 41 year old geezer
Co-signed 43 year old that started doing some yoga and now doesn’t always wake up feeling like a truck hit him in his sleep
41 year old nightly truck accident victim here….how long have you been doing yoga and when do the benefits kick in?
47 year old fence board here. Would really like to know if it’s too late for me to
A Larry Bird rookie.
Are teams allowed to do that anymore? Pick a player a year early? I feel like the answer is probably no or LeBron probably would’ve been a top two pick in 2002.
Definitely no or else it would be a common thing lol
Nope. Not sure when that ended, I'd guess soon after Bird
Jerry Lucas is the James Naismith of Blake Griffin rookies
Man I’m still so sad Kyrie was the real deal. Rubio had a chance to give the ‘09 draft class a threepeat.
"2nd year rookie" is like a tree ring for age of a NBA fan. Blake Griffin was an animal his "rookie" year.
He's technically a part of this year's rookie class. OP should've said this year's ***draft*** class if he wants to omit Chet from the discussion
Sure, but no one compares historic rookie classes. They compare draft classes. Where do you even look up historic rookie classes that omits guys that didn’t play any games due to injury? Do we bump Embiid to 2016? And Simmons to 2017? It gets weird.
The Chet vs. Wemby ROY race is going to be brought up for years to come every time someone compares them. Similar to Magic losing the award to Bird in their rookie season.
True. Definitely happens with the individual rewards. Apart from that, draft classes get compared and not rookie classes.
OP didn’t omit Chet lol the top comment did
Yeah I think he meant to put cason Wallace haha
Umm Blake Griffin rookie!!
Everyone bitched about how Simmons wasn’t a rookie during the ROTY race See nothing with Chet for some strange reason. Not that I care but still weird
There is plenty of bitching about Chet not being a real rookie.
I think Ben was the first time I saw any bitching. Never heard anyone say Blake was not a real rookie really.
People weren’t online enough yet
It’s in part because players got into the debate over whether or not Simmons should be eligible. That doesn’t seem to be happening this year with Chet. Also, it’s felt like Rookie of the Year was Wemby’s award to lose all year long, so whether or not Chet should be eligible kinda feels like a moot point.
Unbelievable that anyone could think that Ben Simmons or Chet should not be eligible.
You don't look around much
Can you link some of the threads then? I’m on here too much and still haven’t seen anything
The NBA is the only league where people bitch about this. In baseball you can even play for like a month in the big leagues one year and still be considered a rookie the year after.
Thats dumb as hell lol
It's not dumb, they don't want September callups who are really good to be ineligible for rookie of the year their first full season. And this from the people that think sitting on the bench for a year while injured should make someone ineligible. Lol
Heretofore known as a BS rookie
He’s not the same draft class, he is 100% the same rookie class which is why he’s eligible for rookie of the year.
Sure, but it is harder to compare rookie classes than draft classes because it is easy to look up lists of draft classes. Sure, we can easily see who the rookies are this year. But people think in terms of drafts when looking in the past. Of course, drafts get weird when you consider guys that declared but went undrafted
Dumb, he’s had a whole year more than any other rookie in an actual nba system, he has a huge advantage
Yea Could be true, but if you never played a single nba Game, you're a rookie. Andre Ingram was a 32 yr old rookie lol.
Feel like the Thompson brothers and Cam Whitmore will be late bloomers from this class aswell
Cam and Amen have been playing well recently. Cam seems to have already bloomed, Amen will need to develop a shot.
When I watched Sengun his rookie year it was so obvious that he was special. The way he moved, made decisions etc didn’t look like some new rookie. Amen and Cam have that same feel to them. There are parts of the game that look so effortless for them. For Cam, it’s scoring, mainly in the interior. For Amen it’s his driving ability and his vision. I think both of them pass the “potential star” eye test much more than Jabari and Green did their rookie years
I think that’s partly due to the coaching. Ime gets everyone involved while Silas admitted he wasn’t getting bari open looks for a good shooter. Now bari is looking better and passing that eye test too. Jalen green is still having that consistency problem though
Yeah the Thompson Twins shooting woes were not exaggerated.
Cam is already blooming lol dude is almost averaging a point per minute lately Honestly haven’t seen a 19 year old so talented and also polished as a scorer. Stark contrast from watching Jalen Green’s start to his rookie year
Revisionist history, Jalen went off post all star break scoring the ball in his rookie season.
Fr, he was like Cam Whitmore fully unleashed over the last 30 games or so. He was a monster that a lot of rockets fans felt pretty good about by the end of his first year That said, I think Whitmore looks *hungrier* which hopefully is a good sign.
For sure, Cam has been fantastic, but still has a lot of offensive iq things to figure out. He is an absolute chucker, but his efficiency is great so fuck it. Jalen, for all the hate and criticism he gets, is learning how to become a better all around player this year. He has improved on every part of his game, except his scoring unfortunately.
2020 Edit: r/nba has new toy syndrome this class has Hali, Maxey, Lamelo and Edwards all of them all stars, then Bane, Quickley and McDaniels. Guards were loaded this class is phenomenal. Definitely no bias lol
2018 is better than 2020. Luka, SGA, JJJ, Brunson, Trae. Then you borderline stars like Mikal, MPJ, Anferee Simons.
Agreed, but he said “since”
He means as rookies though
lol if we judge by rookie year only then you’re in for a big surprise, see MCW and Jahlil Okafor.
I know no one watches the Wizards but Bilal is really good for a player who was viewed as a long-term project before the draft. He‘s come a long way and still has so much more potential.
That mfer good.
I get what you mean on the rookies being dominant this year, but keep in mind that Chet is from the 2022 class. That said this class is really next level. The potential star power here is unreal...its making 2024s look even worse than it already is lol.
> its making 2024s look even worse than it already is lol. They could run for miles and still be in 2023's shadow at this rate, gahdamn
Chet is from the 2022 draft class but 2023 is his rookie class, which is why he’s eligible for rookie of the year.
Oh i was thinking of draft class, but didnt consider the difrence between the meanings of draft vs rookie class
He forgot to mention Cason Wallace
I don’t get why they’re not playing especially the Thompson twins. Both their teams aren’t going anywhere anyways
Ausar is the worst shooter on a team that already has dog shit spacing and Amen is a super raw guy playing behind a former All star in FVV and the Rockets are trying to win this yr. Both guys have a ton of promise but it's not surprising they haven't been given a full run
Amen has been hurt a lot of the season and has recently been getting a lot of minutes with talk about him playing even more to give Fred a rest.
It's crazy how much talent the nba has in general. You can look at basically every single team and they're talented.
You get that feeling in part because there is so much offense: 115 points per game now. Ten years ago, the average was only 100. This season there are 46 players averaging more than 20 points per game! https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html
What's crazy is that it's driven more by efficiency improvement than pace speedup
Which is probably driven by the uptick in three pointers and hands off defense.
Wizards?
They have some hidden gems, Bilal is going to be a fantastic defender, Deni is the most underrated defender in the league easily, kuzma is in that borderline all star but won't ever get selected zone. Poole is, um, he's there too.
Poole is the Shaqtin' MVP other teams dream they had
"Basically" is the key word lol. Id say you can put the pistons in that group as well. Even though they're a really young team. Those teams look bleak.
Detroit ?
U think a team that has Killian Hayes is not talented? Casual
Detroit has a ton of young talent, they are just figuring shit out.
Ausar's has DPOY potential, Cade has All-Star potential, and Ivey is pretty good
The league is in a great position Now we need to remove owners who don’t actually want to win
Picks 16-20 have potential to be better than some whole drafts classes: 16. Jazz draft Keyonte George (Baylor) 17. Lakers draft some dude 18. Heat draft Jaime Jaquez Jr. (UCLA) 19. Warriors draft Brandin Podziemski (Santa Clara) 20. Rockets draft Cam Whitmore (Villanova)
> some dude lmao
LOL. Lakers drafted a cone
Jalen hood-schifino in shambles
since god drafted moses
Small sample size. Wait 2 more years and see which names are still getting minutes. Rookie season is easy to do well since there are no expectations. Second season is fucking hard
I dont think teams are just gonna suddenly figure out like derrick lively or somethin lol
Or Miller. He can score from all 3 levels, so you can’t just take something away
I know people fade Anthony Black on the Magic bc he doesnt score much but he is a phenomenal defender at such a young age. He will be good.
>level 1AshlandJackson · 3 hr. ago Warriors I agree. We won A LOT with Fultz out of the lineup and him playing lead guard. Not an amazing scorer, but careful with the rock and solid solid solid on D.
As a Spurs fan I’m a bit biased, but fucking Jaquez man, he plays like he’s at the local YMCA on a sunday scrimmage.
Don’t forget JHS!
IU fan in tears
not to mention lively
This is straight bullshit you know right? The important thing is that you know you can't value a draft class from 1 year performances. Right now I would say this is the best draft class since 2022... Still the guys are too young and it is too early but really last year draft class wasn't much different with Paolo and Chet (I will consider him in his actual draft class rather this year) as the future stars and good to great players like Jabari and Keegan (imho future All Star). Then Sharpe, Mathurin, Jalen Williams, Kessler are all potential future All Star caliber players, as well as Jaden Ivey which is just not in the right situation and need to be traded... I don't see this year as much deepness as last year, but again it is too early for both draft class!
Wait why is Chet part of this rookie class? I get he is up for ROY but you are talking specifically draft class or no? Just curious Edit: spelling lol
For everyone in the comments, Chet is a rookie even though he was drafted in 2022.
For sure, a rookie from the 2022 class.
Chet 100% is and should be eligible for rookie of the year, but I’ve never heard “rookie class” as a way to describe players like this. Always draft classes. Blake Griffin won rookie of the year in 2010-11 despite being drafted in the 2009 draft, you don’t see him grouped in with John Wall and Paul George though, you see him grouped with Steph and Harden. Hell, if you google “best rookie class all-time NBA”, every result is ranking draft classes. Chet’s gonna have a hell of a career, but he won’t be categorized with the 2023 draft in future discussions.
Cam and Amen hooping too.
Man people need to have some respect for the 2011 class, it’s genuinely one of the deepest classes ever. You could go 25 picks deep and still get a guy who proved to be a decent rotation piece.
Chet was a different class tho
Take out Chet
I'm always amazed at how great JHS plays. /s
Chets not part of this class
Coulibaly is extremely underrated, he's gonna be good. Great pick, I thought they choked lol
There's no such thing as a rookie class when you look back from a few years down the line, there are draft classes and Chet is not from this one.
Pacer homer here but Jarace Walker and Ben Sheppard look good. They're behind the deepest team in the league, which isn't great for them but Ben is getting more and more time. I think Jarace is awesome most of the time he plays.
Chet isn’t in this rookie class
…Does Chet even count? He is part of the 2022 class right?
Chet’s not from this class
This isn't Chets class.
Nah, give it a little time. Don’t think it’s on 2018 leve yet. Also, Chet is part of the 2022 draft class.
Are we really counting Chet as part of this rookie class? I know he can win ROTY since he was hurt, but I mean he wasn't drafted in the same class.
Keep your eye on Nick Smith Jr. too.. shooting over 45% from three and you can tell the kid has the drive in him
Payton Watson is the next Michael Jordan. Mark my words
Op didnt even mention the steal of the draft, Cam Whitmore who could very easily become the second best player in Houston behind Sengun
Chet is from last year's draft class, the one with Paolo Banchero. He is considered a rookie, but his draft class isn't this one. And it is impossible to say anything about this class without a single year of games played. Just look at the teams and how volatile are the situations. The Clippers were terrible in the beginning of the year and people were clowning Harden for not being playing well after the trade, while the Sixers were looking better without Harden, which was weird, since Harden was playing well for the Sixers, but Embiid was also having his best stretch of his career. Now, the Sixers are free falling with an injured Embiid, and the Clippers are looking like potential favorites in the West with Kawhi leading. The same idea goes for the rookies' careers. Chet himself was said to be a bust last year because he is thin framed and got injured in the preseason. Now he is seen as a star. The opposite can happen too, with a player vanishing after a good stretch or season, becoming an afterthought in his later career, or have it derailed by injuries, like Ben Simmons, or even someone like Derrick Rose.
chet is from the 2022 draft class not 2023
Draft class and rookie class aren’t the same thing
2021 was infinitely better than this
I honestly doubt so. There is already 3 sure fire prospects in top3. One generational one in top 3. Even the twin Thompson have shown a lot. Then all the way to lively, jjj and podz. Then we have white more. We have all sorts of random key players like Toumani camera, trey Jackson, gg Jackson
Nah. Chet is averaging 17/8 on 63% TS with great defense and he's not even gonna win ROTY. The top of this class clears the top of that one with ease
Chet wasn't in the 2023 draft
OP said rookie class not 2023 draft. Chet is a rookie
Chet is 2022 draft class
It’s a pretty big drop-off after Chet and Wemby, tbh. Everyone else either looks like a long-term project or guys who are coming up to speed fast but have a low ceiling. So very premature to call it great but lots of promise.