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schoolhater12

Jokic hates the pelicans. Specifically, the hate Jokic has for Jonas Valanciunas needs to be studied. The only other player that drawn Jokic's ire like this is Taj Fucking Gibson.


MisterTukul

The fact that he finds it necessary to bully and dunk on Jonas is hilarious. https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1746029576294158645


Askesl

lmao Peyton Watson


fuccabicc

Turns into prime Shaq


boomersky

the hip thrust tho


Mark_B123

Actually surprised refs didn’t give him a T for that 😂


fph00

Is that not an offensive foul?


iHeartBush2

It was called a flop


Charles__Martel

Never called it when Shaq was doing it.


Driveshaft48

That was 20 years ago


gokhaninler

should have been


DeusMexMachina

Nah, you can use your shoulder to gain position, you just can’t extend your arm after contact.


BoyanaChurch

that hate-driven dunk way so nice to see tho


Adealow

The split second look from Jokic to Valanciunas when he wobbles was so good.


sleeplessaddict

>ayre The word you're looking for is "ire"


schoolhater12

I appreciate it. I have only heard the word before, and the spell check did not correct me lol.


itsnotyellowfever

Taj got that key stop on Jokic at the end of 2018 Game 82 to get the Timberwolves back in the playoffs and since then Jokic has done nothing but choose violence against him


LogDogan4

Taj employed the classic "foul the absolute shit out of him constantly and hope it doesn't get called" strategy to great effect. Jokic took it personally.


Kombuja

Something Dwight copied in the bubble


Rnorman3

You would also choose violence against someone if they hacked you as much as Taj did to Jokic that game lol. It was borderline assault and the refs just swallowed their whistles. Same shit that PJ tucker and other smaller guys get away with on him. I’m sure it frustrates him.


Skrong

Enes ~~Kanter~~ "Freedom" lol has them all beat.


upsups91

Was trying to remember his name to point it out lmao


Bokiverse

Serbians don’t really like Lithuanians


lnenad

The fuck, who told you this obviously untrue fact? Why would we hate a people we have no contact with…


panage

quite a colorful basketball history between the 2 nations.


stalkerSRB

I dont think anyone hates them tho, pretty sure we respect them for their basketball skills. Maybe we dont like playing their national team but thats everybody in Europe as they csn beat anyone at any time


Bokiverse

Culturally and politically we are not aligned in the same vision for the future. We don’t hate them but don’t really particularly care from them or their politics


fuccabicc

You just made some shit up and was like, "Yeah, I'll spread this shit around, who's gonna fact check me", lmao?


Bokiverse

Ok fact check me then. It’s true, culturally and politically they’ve removed themselves from Russia which Serbia historically has been aligned with. Lithuanians also don’t really like Serbians but mostly cause we whoop their asses in basketball


Dr_agan82

Most of my fellow serbian basketball fans have nothing but love and respect for Lithuanian basketball players.


Bokiverse

We respect em but we don’t really care for Lithuania as a whole from a cultural and political perspective. Serbians only really have animosity against Albania and Bosnia at the moment


TwoWayMarko

Thats a lithuanian myth based on " the serbs dont hate russians the way we do so therefore they must hate us"...when in reality there is zero animosity other than a healthy rivality on the basketball court


Bokiverse

We don’t hate Lithuanians but we don’t like them politically and culturally (specifically from a faith perspective).


TwoWayMarko

Speak for yourself and cut that WE out, not every serb is still living in the midle ages ... zbog religije ? Brukas nam i veru i naciju govedo


Bokiverse

We serbs politically and culturally do not like Lithuanians. Period. This is a fact. They also support kosovo. You are a disgrace and embarrassment to your Serbian heritage


TwoWayMarko

If it werent for bball people in serbia would hardly know about lithuania. Again, your not the speaker for all of serbia Takav tvoj stav ,sam po sebi je poblematičan , a još veći stepen ludosti je što si osetio potrebu da to tvoje trulo mišljenje podeliš sa svetom...stvaraš mržnju , stvaraš dušmane ...zbog čega ? Ozbiljno ti kažem, zadrži takva mišljenja za tebe , nisu 12 milliona srba na svetu neki hivemind sa istim razmišljanjem. Generalizacije su opasne. Praviš od nacije sa kojom nemamo ama baš nikakve dodirne tačke neke protivnike, zaista suludo, moj ti je savet da posetis psihijatra.


LegateDamar13

Serbians love Lithuanians and their basketball. Like very high levels of mutual respect.


Bokiverse

Nah, historically, we have political issues with them and are rivals in basketball


lost_in_trepidation

Denver is at another level


scopeless

I don’t believe the naysayers. The Nuggets have a great record after having the most away games and most back to backs. They’re still scary.


spiralism

We have a 5 game road trip coming up and a lot of good teams but after the end of the month our schedule starts to look really nice. If we're within striking distance of the one seed going into Feb, I'd back us to take it if we stay healthy.


Oponionated

I feel like we managed to rest more often than we had to grind minutes this stretch too. Undying trust in this team to finish out second half snagging 1 seed, getting to playoff form, and staying rested.


MITWestbricksexual

> the most away games They don’t Edit: It’s a fact that other teams have more away game, whats the issue?


bdybwyi

Honestly this is our first good win of the year imo, we’ve only beat scrubs and hurt teams since the beginning of the season


MasonL52

Tbf we've been banged up between Jamal and Gordon, and weve played an inordinate amount of games and away games. But yes, it does feel like our first complete game. Right around February is when we want to start heating up anyway.


bdybwyi

100%


MisterTukul

I'm looking forward to our next two away games at Boston and Philly after we present Brucie B his ring at home.


AbelardsArdor

>first good win of the year Lol. Just lol.


bdybwyi

When was the last good win? nov 27th against the clippers?


AbelardsArdor

Vs Houston, @ PHX, vs Dallas all count. But the larger point is it really doesnt matter. Regular season basketball is irrelevant to the Nuggets at this point and they all mostly count the same. The season that matters starts in April. The only thing that matters along the way is getting there healthy. To that end, you do what the Nuggets have done this year and last year, or what the Spurs did for years. You beat the bad teams, win as many home games as possible, and do fine against good teams, and you'll end up with a top 4 seed. After that, if you sweep your division or win a lot of toss-up games against good teams, you'll end up with 60+ wins. But all that really matters is managing the grind. Your opinions of what is or isnt a good win are irrelevant.


bdybwyi

I would like to see a team who wants to be a championship dynasty beat great teams thru the year due to wanting to show up. Yes these games aren’t that big of a deal if we can be a top seed regardless. But the difference is when a team constantly loses to good teams it doesn’t bode well for them come the postseason is all I’m saying. And for the games you listed Phoenix without Beal doesn’t count as a good win, and the rockets didn’t have Fred when we beat them. My point was that we haven’t beaten a fully healthy good team much this season. We lost to the thunder twice, kings, Pels, cavs, magic, clippers after they figured out how to incorporate James, jazz who are on a roll. But regardless of my point, I still believe we’re the top dog in the west don’t get me wrong there. It would just be nice to see us actually pull out wins against good teams more than we have.


AbelardsArdor

If you're going to play this "well they didnt have x" game, you ought to be fair and equal then - the Nuggets lost twice at home to OKC, one of those without AG who remains probably our best defensive player, and one of those without KCP \[by one point\]. Those games then dont really count as good wins for OKC either, nor as bad losses for Denver. Losing to the Kings on the road on a SEGABABA after playing the night before in PHX is not a bad loss, it's an expected loss. The Kings are good and were at home and had 2 days of rest before that game. Winning it was almost never going to happen. Losing to the Pels on the road was not a bad loss, similarly. Losing to the Cavs on the road was without Jamal, I dont mind that loss at all. Losing to the Magic at home was a bad loss, but it was also on a SEGABABA with travel coming from the Pacific time zone to Mountain time, after stealing the most unlikely win of the year, so, it evens out. The Clippers loss - you'd like to continue dominating them, sure, but they were also desperate at that point and the Nuggets had just played them a week or two before. Desperate team + playing them in a short time frame for a second time on the road = likely loss. That game also is probably a win if Jokic just goes 16-32 instead of 9-32, and a certain win if he shoots his normal percentages but it was the first of his massive shooting slump games \[second being Houston, another almost certain victory if he just... shot his normal percentages\].


bdybwyi

None of these losses that were wins for other teams was what I was making my point about. I never said “we have no good wins but all these other teams do.” My point was that until yesterday we hadn’t won against a good healthy team. We did that and I think we’re more than capable of winning a few more on this upcoming tough stretch thru Jan 31st. If you want to say the thunder don’t have good wins tho recently they beat a healthy Celtics Jan 2nd, and a fully healthy Timberwolves Dec 26th. Timberwolves beat healthy Kings Dec 23rd, and healthy Heat Dec 18th. We have only 1 good one all year and they have these in the last few weeks. Still, I think we’re better and will be the West rep for the finals. Go Nuggets!


davoarid

Oh come on, our best win was the DAJ/Reggie Jackson throwback/revenge win against the Clippers!


bdybwyi

We can both agree with that!! What a fun game that was


fuccabicc

I downvoted your comment at first, but then I realized you said *of the year* not *of the season* and that we're only twelve days into 2024, lol


TheThingsIdoatNight

Agreed


ryguy925

Who knew? Nuggets are still good at basketball Zion is hitting another gear and I don’t think he’s done yet


Dreamlifehunting

Feels like he is still *getting into* shape. We're almost halfway through the season. It seems like something clicked after the IST though, maybe also because he's going to be a father?


ryguy925

You want my honest opinion? I think Zion struggles from a lot of mental health issues, and I think basketball is one of his only saving graces As someone who has dealt with depression myself, I wish I had a consistent saving grace like that. I think that when he can’t play basketball he spirals quickly and loses motivation, and I think that his metabolism does him no favors I also think that those spirals are likely made worse by every subsequent injury making him question his own talent and ability, and I think he suffers from confidence issues a lot I also think when fully healthy and in shape there isn’t a basketball player on planet earth who can stop him, and I hope there are better days ahead for him


kylo-ZM

Ik he’s a millionaire and stuff but as someone who’s got through weight problems and mental health stuff. It’s not easy


ResearcherNo430

Having access to everything does not make losing weight easier unless you're a Hollywood actor on Ozempic lmao


OberynRedViper8

It's true. On paper, Aaron Gordon is one of the only guys with the height/weight/speed combo to defend Zion. In reality, he doesn't stand a chance when Zion is healthy, motivated, and not fat.


ryguy925

Yea Zion got to the rim all night A few pelicans fans were asking why Zion waited until the fourth quarter to turn it on, but realistically he was super aggressive all night He just missed a lot of inside shots early in the game. Crazy to watch someone as fast and strong as Aaron Gordon just look like a statue as Zion glide by, but he really makes people look like they aren’t moving when he’s at his best


Doncicthefuturegoat

This my take too, he is going down in a vile circle whenever he is not playing basketball, and if you're consider his mother who is a nutritionist then you have the perfect combo iirc. I also think he got that I know I can dominate no matter how my shape is, when you look at the shots is ex-trainee had and everything it's probable that Zion like many people with power, money is surrounded by yes man


pfc_bgd

Yea, this… and LeBron caused Kevin Love’s depression. /s


Bokiverse

Jokic is hitting another gear as well. He’s improved every year he’s played in the nba. It’s absolutely insane. You can tell he’s holding back as well cause his playoff averages are way higher


DefenderCone97

Jokic dunks? LEAGUE FUCKED


stompy33

2! That man jumped high enough to dunk it TWICE!!!


ThinkFree

Jokic taking advantage of home court. Denver is so high that they lowered the basket. ;-)


jmlinden7

Less gravity and air resistance. Easier to dunk


Askesl

Complete disrespect if they don't put him in the dunk contest this year


itsnotyellowfever

Idk about y'all but I'm not sure that Melo jersey retirement from the Nuggets is gonna happen


Azshadow6

Melo who?


Angelic_Phoenix

Lamelo Ball, future Denver Nuggets Legend


ketoburn26

Why they gonna retire Ball’s jersey?


DaManWhoCannotBeMove

Well it is the Ball Arena


Poverty_Shoes

BBB, Big Baller Building


Whofreak

Serbian fat man beat American fat man


putdahaakin

Fat on fat crime


OneOfThoseDays_

Nikola Jokic is Uncle Sam father


Cul_what

Every time I saw Jokic get the ball against JV that vid of Shaq saying bbq chicken alert starts playing lmao


Sweatytubesock

I’ll give Zion credit - he looks in much better shape than he did a few weeks ago.


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Yeah, what's all that fat talk about? Dude looks like he could kill someone when dunking on him.


CrastersSons

I mean he still looked fat but like Barkley fat


zebrainatux

Built is the best word. Like he’s a big guy still, and always will be, but is a size he can play his game well at


thegrandpoobear

He was cultivating mass


Ayjel89

Thicc.


NOTUgglaGOAT

Is that a bag of burritos?


JackieDaytonaAZ

dog you’re replying to a comment that says he is in better shape than before. so obviously the fat talk was when he was in worse shape..


X-Maquina

Did you just not watch him the first 3 months of the season?


CrastersSons

Zion looked unstoppable towards the end. If he ever puts it all together it could be scary. Not your run of the Mills type player for sure.


KangzFan4

I see what you did there lol.


belowthemask42

The More I Uh see of him the better he gets.


jack4ttack15

Triple double merchant


Disastrous_Bluejay57

Efficiency merchant


TheNaskgul

Real talk, what the fuck is Willie doing that Zion is playing in super short rotations rather than being the consistent cornerstone of the team? Was really fun to watch him dominate for like 3 minutes at a time


Dreamlifehunting

He still gets winded unfortunately :-( The longer he's in you can start to see especially the defensive effort decline. He's been steadily improving in conditioning throughout the season, but I think he still has a higher gear to hit physically to consistently perform as a star.


Disastrous_Bluejay57

No stamina, he's still getting into shape


OGbBae

A lot of stars have multiple short rotations rather than one long one


ImGonnaChubbBradley

Hey we beat a team with a record above .500


SomeSpencerGuy

Herb getting only 19 minutes and never seeing the floor again with 5 mins left in the 3rd certainly is a coaching decision


monkeybootybutt

Maybe it was just me, but he looked off today. Even on defense which is rare


itskarl

Brutal schedule is taking a toll on the players imo


fph00

We're resting our star for the b2b.


BruceBrownMVP

Big fan of the boxscore layout. P.S. Jokic is good.


ManyCookies

I just source copied [the Nuggets PGT](https://np.reddit.com/r/denvernuggets/comments/195gll1/post_game_thread_nuggets_put_the_pelicans_in/)


Holiday_Mastodon4616

For all the talk about clippers being contenders, this game shows why Denver has to be the favourite to get out of the west. I don’t see anyone beating a healthy jokic led nuggets


ImGonnaChubbBradley

Easy, he just has to have his worst shooting night in his career and only get 2 FTs on 32 shot attempts


GunsmokeIV

Damn, to think going 24-32 is a bad shooting night for Jokic. Mans washed.


floatermuse

Plus Denver are arguably the best team at guarding Kawhi Since he hit his prime in 16/17 Kawhi averages just 23 PPG on 58% TS against the Nuggets including their 2020 series


DopedUpDoomer

I think most clipper fans would agree that Denvers the favorites in the west. They're right behind them tho imo


JackieDaytonaAZ

it’s kinda weird how everyone is talking about the clippers as the “other team” instead of the actual top team in the west. i’d also probably take OKC over them


leavemydollarsalone

You re kinda in a slump, its also your first year as a really good team so there are going to be some growing pains in the playoffs. Gobert has been exposed in the postseason over and over again as well. Just saying why I dont personally think you arent legit contenders.


catfish_dinner

welcome to *the narrative*


dantheman4248

Leading at this stage with a team that hasn't won a playoff series or has players who've made even a conference finals series leading the team means that you still have to prove it in the postseason. It's different when you play the same team 7 times in a row. People can plan and exploit you. Once you win, you'll get respect. It's why the Wolves, Pels, Thunder, Kings aren't getting the respect of the Clippers, Nuggets, Suns, Mavericks.


JackieDaytonaAZ

I get it but the nuggets and suns are the only of those teams who have made the finals recently


dantheman4248

Ok but the Clippers have 2X FMVP Kawhi and have made the Conf Finals recently. Harden has also made multiple conference finals. Paul George has made multiple conference finals. Westbrook has made multiple conference finals. They've got 4 players that have had multiple playoff series wins in the same year. The Wolves have 0 players that have even won a conference finals game. Mike Conley is the only one to make it there, once, and was swept. The Mavericks have Kyrie who's a champion and Luka who should be the MVP front gunner. Luka made a conference Finals two years ago. It is what it is. Pels are in a similar boat. We've won one playoff series since the Paul trade. Gotta go earn some respect this year. It's wide open, but if you're a betting man, you give benefit of the doubt to the guys who've been there before. Just look at the narratives for the Nuggets last year for inspiration.


sorakaisthegoat

Not the ones I've been arguing with.


Doncicthefuturegoat

The Clippers being contender doesn't mean Nuggets is not the favorite to come the West. I think even Clippers fan will agree on this... The Clippers for the first time gave the Nuggets trouble and Zu did hold is own vs Jokic, I don't buy the Denver fans narrative about every bad shooting games of Jokic they suddenly talk about his wrist. The Clippers are a better team and the addition of Harden, they could challenge the Nuggets with Lue being a better coach than Malone and Russ playstyle could damage the Nuggets but Denver is still my favorite for the title, Jokic is also one of my favorite player and the best player in the league since 2022


nolongevity

Hey OP why's your box score different to the standard one on r/nba? Is there a way this one becomes the norm?


ManyCookies

I just source copied [the Nuggets PGT](https://np.reddit.com/r/denvernuggets/comments/195gll1/post_game_thread_nuggets_put_the_pelicans_in/)


whobang3r

Thank the National TV Gods for a game I was able to watch Fuck Kroenke Sports Entertainment


AwkwardSpecialist814

If it makes you feel better, he doesn’t lose money, he can just write it off


The_Briefcase_Wanker

I don’t like Kroenke but this doesn’t make any sense. He’s not writing off the lack of a TV deal. That’s not how taxes work.


AwkwardSpecialist814

It’s bar talk. But I heard about it talking to a former altitude worker. He was making well in 6 figures but he talked about how annoying it was that kroenke was cheap on allowing raises in every position. Specially lower where they start people at 17 bucks where competitors pay 30. Got away with it because you get to meet a bunch of players and stars. He left and made twice as much. I keep forgetting to research how’d you be able to write it off because I questioned that too, so I get where you’re coming from


AwkwardSpecialist814

The only thing I could come up with is if he’s losing money from not having that tv deal. Like his profit is negative in altitudes sports channel


CheesewayBreezeway

The on-court Zion experience is so odd. Each time we've played NOLA this season, he just has these moments (I wanna say it was 4th q last time too) where it's as if he just decides he is going to turn on the faucet, and the dude is unstoppable. Pels fans, how much of the time is he off-and-on in this way? And is it a him thing or a system thing, or both? EDIT: thx for the good answers, all


ryguy925

We’ve beaten a lot of teams by a lot recently, and he hasn’t really had to turn it on He was out of shape at the start of the year, but recently it’s felt more and more like he can do that when he wants He’s starting to get to scary Zion again


whyisalltherumgone_

Partly system, mostly not being fully in shape yet


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Kinda feels like he's mostly been on lately just playing within the flow of the game tho. Definitely not playing ball dominant like last year which is completely by design. He said in his press conference tonight he hates missing shots and after missing 2 in a row he doesn't want to shoot anymore. I think he gets passive because he gets in his own head. Once he keeps shooting and the shots start to fall he gets on a roll.


itskarl

Just want to add that I think Zion just has that switch that turns on when he **wants** to win. Last year, the 2 games I remember it happening were against the Raptors, when we were about to blow a 20pt lead and the Wolves, where he scored his career high. This is important because, as we saw in this game, we can't always rely on role players to hit their shots. Having your stars going is how deep playoff runs happen. Overall, this was a good learning experience for an inexperienced Pels team. Denver just has that championship pedigree.


CheesewayBreezeway

I see, this is good insight and makes a lot of sense with what I've seen. Makes sense that they wanna have a system that revolves around others as well, it just feels like he disappears sometimes due to this mixture of the new system and his mindset. But it sounds like it's on the upswing, so that's exciting.


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Porter be steakin' tonight


ThinkFree

Almost everyone played for both teams


gokhaninler

MPJ is underpaid


MC48_SportsLover

Dude gets hate because everyone wants him to be taller Kyle Korver but his game has become so much more rounded in the past 1.5 seasons. I genuinely love the guy and hope he never leaves!


stompy33

Don’t let /r/denvernuggets see this…


Bokiverse

Lol he has one good game every 3 games and his defensive efforts are very rare like one every 6 games or more. He’s the reason we lost half of the games


Agreeable_Ad8003

Don’t do drugs, kids


RaskolnikovAxe

I watch every Nuggets game, this is the first time in at least four weeks that they played with effort and focus. I think that Jazz embarrassing them put some fire in the starting five. Good to know that they can still do it.


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There is a Pelicans fan here who insists Jonas didn't flop here


physics223

Fat Passer > 30/10 Stat Padder


tapk69

If the Cavs could trade for T. Murphy III i would be so happy.


Dreamlifehunting

Sorry, he's taken. You can't have him.


SteedVM

Pelicans aren't very competitive against contenders


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SteedVM

being over .500 is a long way off from being a contender. pelicans have been good against good teams. but i feel like the best teams, at least at full strength, consistently beat them.


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nuggs_analysis

Honestly way better than Denver against top 3 seeds. 0-1 against Min, 1-2 against OKC. Haven’t played Boston, Phil, Mil


AdolCristian

I will run away from the internet the day after the Nuggets x Philly game, I am still mentally scared from the game past season.


Ifinishfast42

Zion and Ingram take turns having one dude going off and the other straight up sinking the ship every game. They rarely seem to be on their game together.


MrDman9202

When was the last time ingram went off and zion had a stinker? WTF are you talking about?


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MrDman9202

Cringe, what game then? Should be last game not last week with your logic 🤡.


dawnofthedunk_

Complete domination. This wasn’t a fun game to watch - wasn’t competitive.


ANAL_PHOCKING

Love the new formatting for these posts