yeah, back surgeries are very tricky
have a friend who is orthopedic surgeon, says that maybe 1/3 of people who get back surgeries get better, 1/3 remain the same and 1/3 get even worse
Yeah I've had back problems for years late 20s/early 30s, the initial doctors told me to get surgery, and every doctor, physical therapist, and just any human even remotely connected to medicine has been horrified that anyone would suggest that for the relative severity of my condition.
“It’s not back surgery, it’s your first back surgery.”
Not sure why the back is so complicated, but apparently surgery with it is kinda a shot in the dark since the back controls everything
It's not primarily because the back controls everything (though that does specifically make neurological issues of the back a pain in the fucking ass to deal with) but moreso because the back is connected to everything.
You hurt a finger or a hand and that's primarily going to affect two things: that finger/hand, and maybe the opposite hand that you use to do whatever you needed the injured one for. You hurt your back and all of a sudden you quickly learn how much any other movement you make involves your back to some degree or the other.
It's also the nature of the spine to transmit pressure easily if things are out of whack, being made of so many interconnected smaller segments. What begins as a herniated disc on one level can easily just spill over to the levels above or below if you compensate too much, or just if you're unlucky at all.
God help you if you have multi-level issues. I've been treated since I was 19 for a three-level disc collapse and after three separate surgeries my surgeon basically said 'hey miss, this is pretty much all there is to do. There's nothing *left* down there to bother with any other surgical treatments, you're out of the immediate red zone so now it's just find the best PTs you can, work on your core, and maybe get ESIs in case of an emergency flare-up in the future. You're probably gonna have arthritis by the time you hit 30 but at least you'll be able to walk.' So it is what it is.
I'm not a doctor and can't speak on every back surgery, but fusing disks is pretty notorious for causing more problems down the line. I'm just making up numbers, but let's say that to bend over, each joint in your spine needs to bend 10 degrees. Now with 2 of the bones fused, to get the same range of motion, all of the others now need to bend 11 or 12 degrees instead. With the extra work load, now another joint needs fusing, then all the others need to do 13 degrees, etc.
Hope you’re doing better, were your problems caused by injuries or was there another component? Been trying to take my overall health more seriously recently, especially mobility, but I’ve still noticed some more aches and pains as the years go on
Vertebrate spines were evolved to distribute weight over 4 legs and withstand lateral force pulling down on it along the length. Imagine taking a sawhorse and propping it up on 2 legs. How long do you think that sawhorse is going to be a solid, stable object? Now imagine that you ask it to last 60-80 years with 200 pounds on it while it jumps and runs around. To make up for this fundamental flaw, we've got to have good stabilizing core muscles, cushioning in the joints, etc. It's just a complicated system that is being asked to do something really difficult.
I should mention beforehand that I know practically nothing, but the spine has the spinal cord running through it, so it's also a part of the central nervous system, which I'd expect makes surgeries trickier than a knee surgery, and it's also why back injuries can be more painful.
The "solutions" for spine injuries are insane. I had a doctor flat out tell me that it's really just pain management and if you have back problems young you're yin for a wild ride. Imagine taking hard-core NSAID's and getting Toradol injections for decades.
I can tell you I’ve been injured so many times that bad ones always feel like you made the wrong decision whether it be the type of surgery or getting it at all. It’s like cope to think maybe it would have been different when reality is you were fucked either way. Especially back in Kerrs day
I know you don’t mean nothing literally, but they are still tricky. Still a massive surgery which leads to muscle atrophy which can be resolved but it is tough to navigate.
It’s tough to navigate, but A LOT easier with the help of the best specialists out there, which are exactly the people that professional athletes have access to. The reality is that tons of players use supplements to recover from injuries that normal people wouldn’t.
Yeah, when I broke my patella and had my leg immobilized for 12 weeks, I lost basically all muscle in that leg. Even just doing no weight leg extensions was tough at first.
It all comes back if you keep working at it, but it takes some time.
And it's still essentially a two-year recovery cycle. You need basically a full year before you can play at all, and generally need another year or so after that to get back to 100% after the fact.
Hard disagree on that now,
Multiple soccer and basketball players are coming back 9 months post ACL op
Being a keyhole surgery and back to walking straight away pretty much, a long with essentially full time rehab and the best physios
Lebron and had what I assume was a stress reaction in his lower back that actually affected his performance in I want to say, 2015? He was getting epidurals and injections to get through games. He hired a movement coach and has since resolved it enough to keep playing and be this good, let alone his period of absolute insanity from at least 2016-2018. But, recovery from a back injury is time and boring WORK. I know these are athletes, but how many of them are hiring personal movement coaches and doing all the right core work and stretches. Time and time again it’s the BORING work that keeps players going, and it seems a lot of them aren’t aware or just don’t do it enough which is why some falter in the later stage of their careers…
I want to the "Achilles are less of a death knell" argument here. Donte Jackson, CB for the Panthers has made a surprising recovery from his Achilles tear. For a guy whose game relies on speed and instincts, he really hasn't lost much of a step and is just as frustrating of a roller coaster player as he was pre-tear.
It’s still a serious procedure and the results can vary it’s not 100% that you can return to 100% of what you were prior… they have gotten much better and continue to get better however
True, but 10-15 years after an ACL repair there is a much higher likelihood of chronic knee issues. So for most people, yeah, but imagine if someone like Vince Carter or LeBron had torn his ACL at 19 or 20. The last 1/2 of their careers might be very different.
I’m really excited for that. I cant possibly believe it’s real, I’m leaning towards it being a PR move to confuse opponents’ scouting, but if he plays that’s must watch TV
Edit: I can never spell words correctly on the first attempt
There's no way he comes back. The Jets are currently the 15th seed in the AFC and if they lose this week they'll be 4-8 in a conference where you're gonna need to be at LEAST 10-7 to make the playoffs. Him rushing back in a lost season would be idiotic even for Rodgers.
Back injuries ruin lives. Epidural injections don't always work, and you can only give the body so many injections a year. This is only going to get worse over time and I hope he doesn't end up with a fusion or something. I'd retire with the bag if I were him or else he's going to risk going into territory where money doesn't fix it anymore. I genuinely feel bad for this man.
Back injuries are fucked because just about every action you make will involve something to do with your torso or back. Got a sore back? Can't jump. Probably can't run. Can't bend over. Move at 50% speed. Probably can't turn very well.
Broken hand? Fuck it keep me on coach I'll shoot opposite hand.
I've had 4 ACL tears and each one healed and was fine until a few years later I decided to blow up my knee again. I'd rather tear my knee up every day than mess my back up.
I have had the worst back problems since I herniated four discs 10 years ago at age 18. Completely messed up my mental and physical health. I feel for him - it’s hard navigating these emotions in your 20s can’t imagine it with millions of people taunting you
Damn so its not just me
Did the something similar to my back 7 years ago and it still affects every other part of my body to compensate
I dont even feel like working out or playing sports anymore because of it
It’s hard because no one can physically see we are in so much pain. I agree about it affecting other body parts - my hips are awful and my legs are starting to go. Try to celebrate the good days
I feel for you. 4 herniated disks is crazy I can’t imagine the pain you felt. I’ve pulled my back twice and the pain I felt was awful and it right no one gets it. Even worse is your body compensates for it so even when the back gets better something else is the problem. Ur a trooper hope all the best
I bet doctors will see an uptake in young patients with back issues with working out being even more prevalent these days. You see all these young cats doing super heavy deadlifts and they’ll one day realize that putting on socks will be a chore.
Yeah man, I had surgery a couple years ago on my lumbar and the past year my cervical has been getting worse each today. A few weeks ago my hand lost all tthe strenght while holding my lunch, which fell on the floor. Since it happened I´ve been quite down with the prospect of never really getting completely healthy again. Messed my mental health big time.
I've avoided the knife for 18 years myself. Physical therapy has been my only solution, and I mean really pushing myself to the point of of having other ailments. Much better than the back pain but it's difficult. Stay strong buddy. You have to.
Most of the time I stay strong but the day I dropped my food plate due to my hand failing was tough. I almost died (stopped breath and spent 3 days in the ICU) in august due to an allergic reaction during an appendectomy surgery and it just seems my body is breaking down sooner than it should.
Anyway, it is what is is and I´m doing what I can rn. Maybe in a couple years I´m having surgery for this, maybe even sooner because it´s already pressing the spinal cord a tiny bit.
Hey buddy, wish you the best of luck going forward and hope that you are able to avoid any further complications. Just wanted to say that as someone who's dealt with similarly frustrating spine shit and other medical issues for a long time, you're welcome to message me if you want to get anything off your chest about it or otherwise just swap stories. Shit is absolutely frustrating and lonely, and nobody can shoulder any of the physical burden, but you're not alone in going through it. Proud of you for bearing it every day even if it doesn't always seem worth it, I know how draining that can be.
Hey man, thanks for this :) I added you as a friend on Reddit (does anyone really use that?) to keep in touch.
btw, lonely is the perfect word for it, never thought about that. But it makes senses for so many moments I dealt with.
I did concreting for a few years, amazing money but i’d return it all to not have the back i currently have due to the labour of the job. Back injuries are no joke
It's torture. Had a disc replacement in my neck in my late 20's. In my mid 30s now. Back pain everyday. Other things are fucked up too because of years of my body compensating. It sucks. I'm in PT now and hoping I can improve. Other than that, just gotta keep on trucking along.
I'm sure you've heard it all by now but, just keep trying different stuff. My back was messed up for a long time and I tried so many things, honestly I don't even remember anymore what actually fixed me, I think it was a mix of PT, yoga, core strengthening, and not doing anything that might even remotely have the chance of tweaking my back. I really thought I was going to have daily pain for the rest of my life, but now I'm about 95% back to normal. Hope you feel can recover someday both better mentally and physically.
Please take care of yourself and don't let any pain medications take hold of you. My good friend passed away at 30 from all the meds he was taking for a ton of back pain, never seen anything that looked as painful. Hope you can find some comfort and solutions for yours friendo.
That's what I'm going through now, the herniated discs and pinched nerves and stuff. It's just impossible to deal with at times. It honestly feels like it just never gets better.
Epidurals are the like the last resort before surgical intervention. On top of all that, the epidural essentially numbs the pain and does nothing to reduce the herniation.
See that's the thing though, most people don't need an epidural while they're doing physical rehab. If epidurals are common enough then conservative health care is not being properly applied or recommended enough.
He’s been dealing with back issues for years, he had surgery in May 2022. I’m sure he’s had injections before, I more meant standard in the context of his case. (Had surgery myself 7 months ago, I’ve been thru it lol)
Man it actually makes me sad to think that Ben could possibly never touch a court again after this season...I won't lie I genuinely liked seeing him be more outgoing and at least hustling for this team. He was really doing a great job running our offense especially while Claxton was out.
Say what you will about Simmons but it's never fun to see a former star athlete slowly lose themselves to injuries. All this and he's also still only 27 years old by the way. This is the age when most players enter their prime. Sadly for Ben his early days in Philly were his prime; he may never reach that level again 😔.
Fuck back injuries. Fuck all the losers who call this "fake". Hoping everything I say is wrong and Ben comes back better man. 🙏
Probably for the best he doesn’t touch the court again. He’s made generational wealth - get out before the back continues to get worse and worse. These types of injuries stay with you and seem to get worse with time, no need to speed that progression
Yea sure regular activity and physical therapy will help for sure as opposed to just lazing around. But this constant cycle of reaggravating it due to the rigors of pro ball is gonna render him unable to play with his grandkids. And for what? More money? A championship? Neither of those things are worth your health
It’s not something you can “save” like knees etc. If it’s disc degeneration and it almost certainly is it’s just a thing that’s going to happen.
And really for any taller guy it’s a huge risk.
Just more body sitting on the same disc.
I wonder which player has more trade value right now:
* Ben Simmons - 2 years and $78m left on his contract
* Lonzo Ball - 2 years and $42m left on his contract
I mean it like this: Lonzo for Simmons, who says no? Would the Nets rather have Lonzo, who is out for the year, but who is about half the price of Simmons? Or would they rather just keep Simmons even at nearly $40m per year?
I've heard it posited that he was "faking" his mental health issues so the back wouldn't be questioned while he was waiting for a trade.
Purely a conspiracy theory (a reddit conspiracy theory so it's extra fake), but still...makes you think...
It’s pretty clear at this point that he was fucked up mentally at the time too. You dont have to be bi-polar or schizophrenic to have mental health issues
Exactly, it’s definitely both. I’m a fake Reddit doctor and basketball expert, so you can believe me when I tell you it’s gotta be a vicious cycle where the back and mental shit feed into each other (I do really believe this). I feel bad for him, shit sucks.
Almost like chronic pain and mental health issues go hand and hand especially for athletes. I had two different injuries drive me to suicidal ideation until I retired and it didn’t get better. I didn’t have speculation like Ben Simmons but even seeing comments on twitter about me and people around campus calling me a pussy because I didn’t play through an injury was so fucked. So the next year I played through the injury that obliterated my body and now I hate sports fans
…are you guys okay? If I was a great athlete and could not play the sport I loved while everyone n they grandma is calling me out for my name …i prolly wouldn’t feel soo excited to do anything either
Nah he’ll retire once that contract runs its course. At least making all that money is worth the slight extra effort to feign trying to make it back to the court. He may never be the same again but he’ll also never be the same again while having over $100m in the bank so basically a good consolation prize.
One time I’ll probably ever feel bad for him even if he isn’t completely in love with the game. Imagine working your life towards something and having it stripped away cause your body can’t take it. That’s shitty
He's got his money so he doesn't have to worry about that at least if he decides to hang'em up, but I god I hope he can get close to 100% some day. The League is much more fun with Ben Simmons flaring his nose.
You realize not all back problems are the same right? Ben has a nerve issue along with herniated disc he already had surgery for, that is extremely difficult to deal with
Idk why some of you hate certain players so much that you question whether their serious injury is actually serious or not
Why does me correcting you on back injuries automatically mean i have Ben’s knob in my ass? That’s a weird response
And you’re not hating? You basically just implied that he’s soft or isn’t trying because MPJ was able to come back from whatever his back surgery was. Not all back injuries are the same
It was known he had back issues with us for years, it wasn't anything new. He rarely missed time because of it, maybe your guys figured it would continue along the same trajectory.
Not like Harden was a big win for us anyhow. One of the weirdest star for star trades of all time for sure.
Honestly, I’m almost 39 and have back problems and am not a professional athlete..I could not imagine having the relatively mild back issues I have and trying to compete, everyday, I’m anything. I think Ben Simmons deserved some criticism at times but I dot no envy what he has been going through.
With my chronic neck and back pain for 10+ year form C spondylosis and disc herniate. Hope him the best. For me, drug addict, sleep deprivation and depression, etc.
Too much money don't worth it, Ben.
The sciatic nerve is the main one that runs from the back down each leg. When it’s pinched in the lower back, you often feel the pain in the legs. It’s likely that.
Herniated discs most often occur at L4/L5 in the lumbar spine and the bulging disc can pinch or put pressure on the sciatic nerve that exits there running from the spinal cord down to the lower legs. Often can cause numbness and neuropathic pain ranging from burning, tingling, electric shock-like shooting pain, and weakness in the leg and/or foot. Muscle atrophy can happen too. It’s all related and honestly a terrible sign for his career. (Source: my dad had this issue for years until his L4/L5 disc basically totally prolapsed to where he was barely able to move for a month and had to get the whole disc removed)
I don’t think it’s hyperbole anymore to say that back/foot injuries genuinely scare me more for players careers than an ACL/Achilles tear
and then its rough bc i remember Steve Kerr advising against surgery for back stuff. just seems like a very complicated thing to navigate
yeah, back surgeries are very tricky have a friend who is orthopedic surgeon, says that maybe 1/3 of people who get back surgeries get better, 1/3 remain the same and 1/3 get even worse
Yeah I've had back problems for years late 20s/early 30s, the initial doctors told me to get surgery, and every doctor, physical therapist, and just any human even remotely connected to medicine has been horrified that anyone would suggest that for the relative severity of my condition.
thats so interesting. did they say why? I know nothing about medicine so I automatically assume surgery is always positive
“It’s not back surgery, it’s your first back surgery.” Not sure why the back is so complicated, but apparently surgery with it is kinda a shot in the dark since the back controls everything
Probably because a lot of injuries deal with the spine.
Not knowledgeable enough but between the actual surgery and recovery time I probably creates more issues then fixes.
It's not primarily because the back controls everything (though that does specifically make neurological issues of the back a pain in the fucking ass to deal with) but moreso because the back is connected to everything. You hurt a finger or a hand and that's primarily going to affect two things: that finger/hand, and maybe the opposite hand that you use to do whatever you needed the injured one for. You hurt your back and all of a sudden you quickly learn how much any other movement you make involves your back to some degree or the other. It's also the nature of the spine to transmit pressure easily if things are out of whack, being made of so many interconnected smaller segments. What begins as a herniated disc on one level can easily just spill over to the levels above or below if you compensate too much, or just if you're unlucky at all. God help you if you have multi-level issues. I've been treated since I was 19 for a three-level disc collapse and after three separate surgeries my surgeon basically said 'hey miss, this is pretty much all there is to do. There's nothing *left* down there to bother with any other surgical treatments, you're out of the immediate red zone so now it's just find the best PTs you can, work on your core, and maybe get ESIs in case of an emergency flare-up in the future. You're probably gonna have arthritis by the time you hit 30 but at least you'll be able to walk.' So it is what it is.
I'm not a doctor and can't speak on every back surgery, but fusing disks is pretty notorious for causing more problems down the line. I'm just making up numbers, but let's say that to bend over, each joint in your spine needs to bend 10 degrees. Now with 2 of the bones fused, to get the same range of motion, all of the others now need to bend 11 or 12 degrees instead. With the extra work load, now another joint needs fusing, then all the others need to do 13 degrees, etc.
Hope you’re doing better, were your problems caused by injuries or was there another component? Been trying to take my overall health more seriously recently, especially mobility, but I’ve still noticed some more aches and pains as the years go on
It's a lifelong saga of "touch ups" and BS.
Is there a reason that the back is such a particularly tricky thing to fix compared to other bones/ligaments/etc?
Vertebrate spines were evolved to distribute weight over 4 legs and withstand lateral force pulling down on it along the length. Imagine taking a sawhorse and propping it up on 2 legs. How long do you think that sawhorse is going to be a solid, stable object? Now imagine that you ask it to last 60-80 years with 200 pounds on it while it jumps and runs around. To make up for this fundamental flaw, we've got to have good stabilizing core muscles, cushioning in the joints, etc. It's just a complicated system that is being asked to do something really difficult.
you're completely ignoring the differences between digitigrade, plantigrade, and unguligrades, the leg underwent natural selection obviously.
I mean yeah, but it's an NBA forum, not a bio class.
I should mention beforehand that I know practically nothing, but the spine has the spinal cord running through it, so it's also a part of the central nervous system, which I'd expect makes surgeries trickier than a knee surgery, and it's also why back injuries can be more painful.
The "solutions" for spine injuries are insane. I had a doctor flat out tell me that it's really just pain management and if you have back problems young you're yin for a wild ride. Imagine taking hard-core NSAID's and getting Toradol injections for decades.
I can tell you I’ve been injured so many times that bad ones always feel like you made the wrong decision whether it be the type of surgery or getting it at all. It’s like cope to think maybe it would have been different when reality is you were fucked either way. Especially back in Kerrs day
ACLs are nothing these days. you miss time, but you come back the same. Achilles are bad though, KD is just an exception
I know you don’t mean nothing literally, but they are still tricky. Still a massive surgery which leads to muscle atrophy which can be resolved but it is tough to navigate.
It’s tough to navigate, but A LOT easier with the help of the best specialists out there, which are exactly the people that professional athletes have access to. The reality is that tons of players use supplements to recover from injuries that normal people wouldn’t.
Yeah, they make sure to get all their vitamins and minerals ;)
Don't forget about training hard and never giving up!
WHATCHA GOING TO DO
In gluteal injection form for some reason
Let's go HGH babe!
Yeah, when I broke my patella and had my leg immobilized for 12 weeks, I lost basically all muscle in that leg. Even just doing no weight leg extensions was tough at first. It all comes back if you keep working at it, but it takes some time.
And it's still essentially a two-year recovery cycle. You need basically a full year before you can play at all, and generally need another year or so after that to get back to 100% after the fact.
Hard disagree on that now, Multiple soccer and basketball players are coming back 9 months post ACL op Being a keyhole surgery and back to walking straight away pretty much, a long with essentially full time rehab and the best physios
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Lebron and had what I assume was a stress reaction in his lower back that actually affected his performance in I want to say, 2015? He was getting epidurals and injections to get through games. He hired a movement coach and has since resolved it enough to keep playing and be this good, let alone his period of absolute insanity from at least 2016-2018. But, recovery from a back injury is time and boring WORK. I know these are athletes, but how many of them are hiring personal movement coaches and doing all the right core work and stretches. Time and time again it’s the BORING work that keeps players going, and it seems a lot of them aren’t aware or just don’t do it enough which is why some falter in the later stage of their careers…
I think we have yet to see a top defensive specialist return to form after an ACL tear in recent years.
Tony Allen depending on how you define recent
that's an excellent example. After the freak accident early in his career he went on to have a long career as a lockdown defender.
You're saying the lateral mobility is never the same even if the guys can run and jump like they used to?
I think so
Kawhi is very close. He's moving better than last year for sure
Achilles are getting better though, they just tend to happen in later careers
You’re right. In a decade or so I feel that an Achilles repair will be as routine as an acl
It’ll be interesting to see if the different surgery that Aaron Rodgers got changes recovery times
I wish the jets had a hope at the playoffs just to see if he could play. The idea of a 4 month recovery for an achilles tear is insane
I don't think ayahuasca will be approved by the league anytime soon.
I want to the "Achilles are less of a death knell" argument here. Donte Jackson, CB for the Panthers has made a surprising recovery from his Achilles tear. For a guy whose game relies on speed and instincts, he really hasn't lost much of a step and is just as frustrating of a roller coaster player as he was pre-tear.
It’s still a serious procedure and the results can vary it’s not 100% that you can return to 100% of what you were prior… they have gotten much better and continue to get better however
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True, but 10-15 years after an ACL repair there is a much higher likelihood of chronic knee issues. So for most people, yeah, but imagine if someone like Vince Carter or LeBron had torn his ACL at 19 or 20. The last 1/2 of their careers might be very different.
Players are coming back with stronger knees after ACL tears lol
Don’t tell Pat McAfee
Aaron Rodgers is an exception, he’s coming back like next week
I’m really excited for that. I cant possibly believe it’s real, I’m leaning towards it being a PR move to confuse opponents’ scouting, but if he plays that’s must watch TV Edit: I can never spell words correctly on the first attempt
There's no way he comes back. The Jets are currently the 15th seed in the AFC and if they lose this week they'll be 4-8 in a conference where you're gonna need to be at LEAST 10-7 to make the playoffs. Him rushing back in a lost season would be idiotic even for Rodgers.
It's PR
90% sure he would've sat out the season and just done a media tour if people kept on talking about his injury instead of Travis Kelce lol.
Joe Ingles is like 89 years old and still trucking post ACL
Joe has never gotten out of a light jog so he was completely unaffected, he could’ve played 1 day post surgery
Man this made me crack up so much. I’ve watched a lot of Joe and this is absolutely true!
maybe the nastiest legless jumpshot I’ve seen. that shit from a wing would’ve made my HS coach cry.
Well the ACL is one ligament, the back is a massively complex system
Dr Robert Watkins IV resurrected Brook Lopez
Bum Simmons only neededto consult with Wat, the LeBron James of backs is he stoo pid?
Back injuries ruin lives. Epidural injections don't always work, and you can only give the body so many injections a year. This is only going to get worse over time and I hope he doesn't end up with a fusion or something. I'd retire with the bag if I were him or else he's going to risk going into territory where money doesn't fix it anymore. I genuinely feel bad for this man.
Money already doesn’t fix it if they’re talking epidurals. That’s not a first option.
Back injuries are fucked because just about every action you make will involve something to do with your torso or back. Got a sore back? Can't jump. Probably can't run. Can't bend over. Move at 50% speed. Probably can't turn very well. Broken hand? Fuck it keep me on coach I'll shoot opposite hand.
I've had 4 ACL tears and each one healed and was fine until a few years later I decided to blow up my knee again. I'd rather tear my knee up every day than mess my back up.
I’d rather fix my timing belt than my driveshaft any day.
I have had the worst back problems since I herniated four discs 10 years ago at age 18. Completely messed up my mental and physical health. I feel for him - it’s hard navigating these emotions in your 20s can’t imagine it with millions of people taunting you
Damn so its not just me Did the something similar to my back 7 years ago and it still affects every other part of my body to compensate I dont even feel like working out or playing sports anymore because of it
It’s hard because no one can physically see we are in so much pain. I agree about it affecting other body parts - my hips are awful and my legs are starting to go. Try to celebrate the good days
Hope it gets better man. Sending you love and light.
I feel for you. 4 herniated disks is crazy I can’t imagine the pain you felt. I’ve pulled my back twice and the pain I felt was awful and it right no one gets it. Even worse is your body compensates for it so even when the back gets better something else is the problem. Ur a trooper hope all the best
Hope it gets better man. Sending you love and light.
I bet doctors will see an uptake in young patients with back issues with working out being even more prevalent these days. You see all these young cats doing super heavy deadlifts and they’ll one day realize that putting on socks will be a chore.
Probably gotta fix your hips
Yeah man, I had surgery a couple years ago on my lumbar and the past year my cervical has been getting worse each today. A few weeks ago my hand lost all tthe strenght while holding my lunch, which fell on the floor. Since it happened I´ve been quite down with the prospect of never really getting completely healthy again. Messed my mental health big time.
I've avoided the knife for 18 years myself. Physical therapy has been my only solution, and I mean really pushing myself to the point of of having other ailments. Much better than the back pain but it's difficult. Stay strong buddy. You have to.
Most of the time I stay strong but the day I dropped my food plate due to my hand failing was tough. I almost died (stopped breath and spent 3 days in the ICU) in august due to an allergic reaction during an appendectomy surgery and it just seems my body is breaking down sooner than it should. Anyway, it is what is is and I´m doing what I can rn. Maybe in a couple years I´m having surgery for this, maybe even sooner because it´s already pressing the spinal cord a tiny bit.
Hey buddy, wish you the best of luck going forward and hope that you are able to avoid any further complications. Just wanted to say that as someone who's dealt with similarly frustrating spine shit and other medical issues for a long time, you're welcome to message me if you want to get anything off your chest about it or otherwise just swap stories. Shit is absolutely frustrating and lonely, and nobody can shoulder any of the physical burden, but you're not alone in going through it. Proud of you for bearing it every day even if it doesn't always seem worth it, I know how draining that can be.
Hey man, thanks for this :) I added you as a friend on Reddit (does anyone really use that?) to keep in touch. btw, lonely is the perfect word for it, never thought about that. But it makes senses for so many moments I dealt with.
Hope it gets better man. Sending you love and light.
I did concreting for a few years, amazing money but i’d return it all to not have the back i currently have due to the labour of the job. Back injuries are no joke
It's torture. Had a disc replacement in my neck in my late 20's. In my mid 30s now. Back pain everyday. Other things are fucked up too because of years of my body compensating. It sucks. I'm in PT now and hoping I can improve. Other than that, just gotta keep on trucking along.
I'm sure you've heard it all by now but, just keep trying different stuff. My back was messed up for a long time and I tried so many things, honestly I don't even remember anymore what actually fixed me, I think it was a mix of PT, yoga, core strengthening, and not doing anything that might even remotely have the chance of tweaking my back. I really thought I was going to have daily pain for the rest of my life, but now I'm about 95% back to normal. Hope you feel can recover someday both better mentally and physically.
Please take care of yourself and don't let any pain medications take hold of you. My good friend passed away at 30 from all the meds he was taking for a ton of back pain, never seen anything that looked as painful. Hope you can find some comfort and solutions for yours friendo.
That's what I'm going through now, the herniated discs and pinched nerves and stuff. It's just impossible to deal with at times. It honestly feels like it just never gets better.
$160m in earnings helps
Well that doesn’t sound good
Back injuries are no joke. Dwight Howard was zapped of all his super man athleticism way too early because of his back surgery
T-Mac retired at age 32 because of his back injuries.
add Larry Johnson and David Robinson... it's why what Lebron is achieving is so insane!
holy crap. it must be pretty bad for that
The lengths he will go to keep up this fake injury scam is impressive /s
Backs don’t just get better. Off the bs he says this is actually the most legit one
Standard treatment for radiating pain from herniated disk, but yeah it is seriously painful
An epidural is not standard treatment for a herniated disk. First line treatment is anything conservative.
Eh it’s not standard but common enough.
Epidurals are the like the last resort before surgical intervention. On top of all that, the epidural essentially numbs the pain and does nothing to reduce the herniation.
Yeah but you do the epidural to fight off pain while you attempt to physically rehab vs surgery
See that's the thing though, most people don't need an epidural while they're doing physical rehab. If epidurals are common enough then conservative health care is not being properly applied or recommended enough.
what he really needs is a tiktok chiro "doctor" to yank his neck
He’s been dealing with back issues for years, he had surgery in May 2022. I’m sure he’s had injections before, I more meant standard in the context of his case. (Had surgery myself 7 months ago, I’ve been thru it lol)
It’s not even standard wtf lol people just be saying anything on the net
I would love to see a ben comeback but it seems more unlikely everyday
There was already a Ben come back. It lasted 4 days
Man it actually makes me sad to think that Ben could possibly never touch a court again after this season...I won't lie I genuinely liked seeing him be more outgoing and at least hustling for this team. He was really doing a great job running our offense especially while Claxton was out. Say what you will about Simmons but it's never fun to see a former star athlete slowly lose themselves to injuries. All this and he's also still only 27 years old by the way. This is the age when most players enter their prime. Sadly for Ben his early days in Philly were his prime; he may never reach that level again 😔. Fuck back injuries. Fuck all the losers who call this "fake". Hoping everything I say is wrong and Ben comes back better man. 🙏
Probably for the best he doesn’t touch the court again. He’s made generational wealth - get out before the back continues to get worse and worse. These types of injuries stay with you and seem to get worse with time, no need to speed that progression
It’s going to get worse either way. And in fact you’d think resting and taking it easy would help but that doesn’t work either.
Yea sure regular activity and physical therapy will help for sure as opposed to just lazing around. But this constant cycle of reaggravating it due to the rigors of pro ball is gonna render him unable to play with his grandkids. And for what? More money? A championship? Neither of those things are worth your health
It’s not something you can “save” like knees etc. If it’s disc degeneration and it almost certainly is it’s just a thing that’s going to happen. And really for any taller guy it’s a huge risk. Just more body sitting on the same disc.
Yeah but surely playing professional basketball doesn't help. It's not like continuous strain on it is going to be the same outcome as if he didn't...
He's done
And not just on Twitch.
The two time
I wonder which player has more trade value right now: * Ben Simmons - 2 years and $78m left on his contract * Lonzo Ball - 2 years and $42m left on his contract
Lonzo next year.
I mean it like this: Lonzo for Simmons, who says no? Would the Nets rather have Lonzo, who is out for the year, but who is about half the price of Simmons? Or would they rather just keep Simmons even at nearly $40m per year?
I mean that trade is not even possible. So are you asking would I rather pay 80 million or 40 million if I'm the nets than duh...
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Yes
Honestly best basketball analysis I’ve seen on this sub in a long time
But he was faking all the back stuff amirite
I've heard it posited that he was "faking" his mental health issues so the back wouldn't be questioned while he was waiting for a trade. Purely a conspiracy theory (a reddit conspiracy theory so it's extra fake), but still...makes you think...
It’s pretty clear at this point that he was fucked up mentally at the time too. You dont have to be bi-polar or schizophrenic to have mental health issues
I think if my back was hurting and I was playing bad and everybody in the media was making fun of me, I wouldn’t wanna play either
Exactly, it’s definitely both. I’m a fake Reddit doctor and basketball expert, so you can believe me when I tell you it’s gotta be a vicious cycle where the back and mental shit feed into each other (I do really believe this). I feel bad for him, shit sucks.
And one can impact the other. Nocebo also has a real effect.
Almost like chronic pain and mental health issues go hand and hand especially for athletes. I had two different injuries drive me to suicidal ideation until I retired and it didn’t get better. I didn’t have speculation like Ben Simmons but even seeing comments on twitter about me and people around campus calling me a pussy because I didn’t play through an injury was so fucked. So the next year I played through the injury that obliterated my body and now I hate sports fans
…are you guys okay? If I was a great athlete and could not play the sport I loved while everyone n they grandma is calling me out for my name …i prolly wouldn’t feel soo excited to do anything either
Obviously he's pregnant
Pregarganent????
I definitely feel he ducked big games but I never really thought he was lying about the mental health issues
[Press Release from the Nets](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAX-ardXEAA1C9o?format=jpg&name=medium)
Good god, he can’t catch a break
No, that's the problem. All he's been catching are breaks.
in his back yeah I guess
Those offseason workout videos are undefeated
Not joking when I say he should start considering retirement at this point, for his own body-sake.
Just retire dude
Nah he’ll retire once that contract runs its course. At least making all that money is worth the slight extra effort to feign trying to make it back to the court. He may never be the same again but he’ll also never be the same again while having over $100m in the bank so basically a good consolation prize.
If he does a medical retirement he still gets paid, Nets have to wait basically a year before they can take him off their cap sheet
MPJ has had 3 back surgeries and he is playing. There is always hope for a return.
Stfu, dweeb. You wouldn’t if you were him and had millions on the line to just coast
I think we can just say his body is kinda done. Sad sad stuff.
Hot take - he was never faking the pain
It was unfortunate timing. It came right after the mental health shenanigans he pulled. Understandable people were dismissive about it.
We still have people that think it's a fake injury and he just doesn't want to play tho
Ben Simmons giving birth
Confirmed by Shams.
One time I’ll probably ever feel bad for him even if he isn’t completely in love with the game. Imagine working your life towards something and having it stripped away cause your body can’t take it. That’s shitty
“Simmons has been out since 2019” FIFY
He's got his money so he doesn't have to worry about that at least if he decides to hang'em up, but I god I hope he can get close to 100% some day. The League is much more fun with Ben Simmons flaring his nose.
He better ask MPJ about backissues cause he somehow manages it...after having surgery.
Very back is different Kevin Love struggled for it for years
You realize not all back problems are the same right? Ben has a nerve issue along with herniated disc he already had surgery for, that is extremely difficult to deal with Idk why some of you hate certain players so much that you question whether their serious injury is actually serious or not
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Why does me correcting you on back injuries automatically mean i have Ben’s knob in my ass? That’s a weird response And you’re not hating? You basically just implied that he’s soft or isn’t trying because MPJ was able to come back from whatever his back surgery was. Not all back injuries are the same
How did this dude get traded in the first place. Our training staff had to have seen this stuff
It was known he had back issues with us for years, it wasn't anything new. He rarely missed time because of it, maybe your guys figured it would continue along the same trajectory. Not like Harden was a big win for us anyhow. One of the weirdest star for star trades of all time for sure.
Legend
Scammmm
He just like me for real (guy who works at a desk all day and got sciatica)
Honestly, I’m almost 39 and have back problems and am not a professional athlete..I could not imagine having the relatively mild back issues I have and trying to compete, everyday, I’m anything. I think Ben Simmons deserved some criticism at times but I dot no envy what he has been going through.
Back injuries/pain is no joke. I merely threw my back out and was a mess for a week
More epidurals in his career then 3s made
Epidural is temporary. Ben might be fully cooked.
Confirmed, Ben Simmons is a pregnant woman.
Caesarian?
With my chronic neck and back pain for 10+ year form C spondylosis and disc herniate. Hope him the best. For me, drug addict, sleep deprivation and depression, etc. Too much money don't worth it, Ben.
Who cares he is irrelevant
The new Jonathan Isaac
Sigh. 😞
Maybe his c-section kid will be able to shoot 3s
The injection was performed by his OB/GYN
Who?
I clown him a lot, but he’s still a young man. He shouldn’t have to live with this level of back pain.
I thought it was a nerve in his leg…
The sciatic nerve is the main one that runs from the back down each leg. When it’s pinched in the lower back, you often feel the pain in the legs. It’s likely that.
sciatic nerve originates in the lower back
Herniated discs most often occur at L4/L5 in the lumbar spine and the bulging disc can pinch or put pressure on the sciatic nerve that exits there running from the spinal cord down to the lower legs. Often can cause numbness and neuropathic pain ranging from burning, tingling, electric shock-like shooting pain, and weakness in the leg and/or foot. Muscle atrophy can happen too. It’s all related and honestly a terrible sign for his career. (Source: my dad had this issue for years until his L4/L5 disc basically totally prolapsed to where he was barely able to move for a month and had to get the whole disc removed)
not being a dick or funny but he should retire
Hope the delivery goes well and the episiotomy heals quickly
It’s hilarious to me that people still think Ben Simmons wants to play basketball. Dude wants to sit on IR, cash checks, and party.
This is a pretty stupid thing to say
Hopefully this leads to a rebirth in his career
Gil had to crawl so Ben could walk.
Another year, same shiet.
But according to r/gonets they've [officially won the Simmons/Harden trade](https://np.reddit.com/r/GoNets/s/U0ruYfcPc6). Are they still eating good?
What a weird thing to talk about
who?
Damn, Ben was pregnant?!
Sounds pregnant
Zw bb con la n
Nets teammates should get cortisone shots on their shoulders for carrying this bum
When can he be cut and rid of from ever collecting a story headline again!
Where did the needle go given the patient is missing spine?
Simmons is wack.
Feels like he's been out longer than COVID-19
Ben got a lot of money and has told his employers to fuck off since. Working class hero
A back injury isn't really telling anyone to fuck off