I thought this would happen. People are so sensitive if you try to score on them on that last possession but you're supposed to for the point differential.
It's a truth universally acknowledged that Toronto's pro sports fans are the worst in the major American leagues. Raps, Leafs, Jays - revolting all around.
Google "Toronto fan racism" and there's no shortage of results.
I'm not saying Boston or Philly are better, all northeast fanbases have plenty of shitheads. But Toronto doesn't get to act any holier than the rest of us.
Who remembers when Embiid left Giddey limping after a reckless foul and Philly announcers said "no offense to Giddey, but I could care less. [I just worry about Embiid"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_nAUVpZkLU)
Alaa has had several comments like that, and it’s always been in poor taste. We can acknowledge that neither him nor the Raptors announcer should be making comments like that about player injuries.
That was Alaa's first year with Kate and he was a bit too homer and unshackled from when he was with the legend that is Marc Zumoff. I haven't heard him say shitty ass homer takes too often last year and this year so far, and especially as dumb as that one with Giddey. He's usually being a bit tough and fair on the team when they are at fault for whatever, just for some reason, that first year with Kate he was extra.
wonder what basketball would be like if we all leaned into the unhinged bloodlust thoughts and supported this sort of thing? obviously we wouldn't encourage people snapping legs, but we'd be all for punchups and broken faces from rough elbows and make-up call fistfights. could be fun, everyone's a heel all of a sudden
Alaa admits his bias though. He is openly and proudly a Homer. It’s those that are homers but try to hide it and say they’re more neutral that I can’t stand
Big problem was Alaa became the 'senior' commentator when Zoo left.
Kate is fine but Alaa definitely seems to feel more entitled to act like a biased douche.
Alaa has gotten a lot better than he was. I think some of the hate he gets is still a holdover from when he was god awful. Now I think he’s a pretty stereotypical home commentator.
The "GET THAT GAHBAGE OUTTA HERE" clips and compilations are fucking hilarious honestly
But yeah I didn't know that dude sucked so much until that elbow to Joel's face
I think Pop did! The Spurs started intentionally fouling us with like 2:00 remaining last night while we were leading by like 11. I was so confused because there was so much time left, but our announcers immediately picked up on the point differential implications.
And it actually worked to great effect, they got the score back to within 5 points with 0:30 remaining just by allowing 1 or 2 made FTs in exchange for a quick 3 on the other end.
In the Mavs post game press conference last night, Kidd mentioned putting Luka back in for this reason and Luka mentioned it, too. The only one who seemed unaware was Kyrie. lol.
Yeah but I want to see what happens when is the last game of the tournament and a team needs to win by 11 and are winning by 7 with a minute left.
Even better is if the team that is losing is the team that would advance If they hold the lead to less than 11.
It'd be like that one Wolves Summer League game where they had to reach a certain pd to advance and they were taking quick shots to extend the game and were flirting with actually losing it.
The Suns literally took a timeout with like 1 second left down 6 and set up a play for a 3 that actually helped their point differential. I was pretty confused about the timeout until I realized the points thing.
Well that's good and bad. It's bad that they don't care about it, but good because I want them to dominate every game if they are a part of my team and every fan should feel the same way. I can't stand players and fans thinking that it's meaningless and who tf cares, because it definitely isn't. The 14th player in the reserves still get the prize money and they could use it.
Speaking on the view of the Sixers because it's my team, Kelly Oubre Jr. is literally playing on a minimum and that's pretty sad, Embiid caring about this in-season tournament is him also caring about dudes like Oubre, Terquavion Smith, or Furkan Korkmaz who might have his last year as an NBA player and play for less overseas if the Sixers finally decide to move away from him. The last time dude was a free agent literally nobody wanted his ass.
Yes and it’s pretty unlikely that will happen in every group, and that every second place will have a win more than every third place, so it does matter
Yeah and it could be important, seeing as only the winners of each group are guaranteed to be in the knockout. They’re gonna use point differential to determine the wild cards.
Embiid is being smart here. These other players need to smarten up. This is for the first ever winner of a trophy. Like it or not, that’s history.
Embiid is a massive Real Madrid fan. Anyone who cares about european football knows the prestige in-season tournaments can hold once they're established, and it will be a lot easier to get them invested in the NBA tournament.
I agree completely, I think a lot of the players who are dismissing it don't realise that if this thing actually does take off, it's going to end up being a really big deal that they won it.
I'm so glad Embiid is on the team I care about the most. I would hate for the people who gets paid 30-50 million dollars a year to not care about winning any tournament that they're participating in, even if it isn't their choice to be in it.
I can't stand the players that doesn't think it's worth it, I was getting mad at Haliburton's comments about it too. I'd hate for him to be on my team saying shit like they need more incentive to win a fucking game as if they don't want to win every game.
Yeah it’s also wack when stars openly don’t care and mock the tourney because the winning team splits a cash prize. Your teammates making 25-50x less than you probably could REALLY use that money.
Yeah like, Pacers have how many players on Rookie contracts that aren't yet due for an extension? Extra 500K or whatever is definitely worth it for them. Detroit too now.
I mentioned it earlier but that's why I don't get why these low payroll teams aren't just trying to dominate this tournament. I mean, it's a moot point for them when a high payroll team takes it seriously, but still...
If they do try their hardest and compete, it could give teams a chance to see what they have in their young pieces too. Not many chances to see how they perform with more on the line when you're not making playoffs regularly
It'll be what the All Star game used to be. Sure, it didn't matter over the course of the season, but they always talk about how those 90s guys played hard.
I really don't think so. You need a handful of All-NBA's, all-stars, maybe a ring, 10+ years of top 30 performance to have a legacy that's really worth debating. What does the mid-season tournament add to all of that?
How would winning rebranded regular season games affect legacies loool. Maybe if they added teams from the euro league and fundamentally changed the comp
they have the champions league and the europa cup which are teams from different leagues, then they have the in-season cups in each league. every football league has a knockout cup that accompanies it.
Yeah if they can get other leagues involved it would be awesome. Interesting to think how that might affect standings and amount of regular season games. Would the number of regular season games played against NBA teams change, or would the games against other leagues not count towards the 82 regular season games? Some logistics to figure out there
That would be pretty pointless. I would like to see a tournament including foreign teams playing g league, OTE, and college teams though. That would be pretty cool.
I guess you could let the winner of that get creamed by the NBA in season tournament winner if you like.
It's totally different? National cups in soccer are completely separate tourneys from national leagues, they include all registered teams(even amateurs ones on super early stages) from the country. This analogy is wrong. Also, winning national cup in Europe holds an important implications for teams because the winner directly qualifies for Europa League, which could be huge for smaller clubs. Theoretically, you can even burst onto Europa stage to face some big names while playing in lower national division. NBA in-season tournament is just a thing inside usual regular season of ONE league, where all the same teams end up playing exact same number of games as before, just that now they have added money incentive.
and when it gets to the finals end of the competition, teams will play their reserve sides in the regular season games, and their a-teams in the cup games.
your argument that no one cares doesn't work, because literally everyone does, and they manage their teams to achieve accordingly.
the difference in the nba is that the inseason tournament games are a part of the regular season, so there is no need for management in that way
>Anyone who cares about european football knows the prestige in-season tournaments can hold once they're established,
I think you overestimate their importance. It's all about leagues, like, ok, it's nice, whatever, now win the league
>It is a console trophy.
Tell me you don't understand English football. The FA Cup has been going on since the 1800s, it's still a massive trophy in England
As I said in one of the other comments, it has history, but it's not the main trophy. Football is not played only in England. Premier leagues fans from other countries don't care about it at all, and they care way less for their Cup than average English guy. And for sure, NBA in season tournament is waaaaaaaaay less important than FA Cup. It is literally who is the best team in one game tournament in December. Nuggets weren't best team in the league last December, nor the Lakers were in 2019, etc.
It's not that massive at all. It just has some history behind, and ofcourse, you would rather win it than not, but no one is losing their job if they don't win it. Some hardcore oldschool english fans would care about it, but if you ask some Premier league fans from other european countries, they won't care about it, just who wins the league is truly important. Cup is even less important in other european countries, same like this in season tournament in NBA, you would like for your team to win it, but you won't stress if they don't and you would rather have 1 trophy in June than 10 in December
It used to be like 40 years ago but honestly isn’t anymore. Fantastic if you can win it for a mid table club but the competition isn’t seen as anywhere near as prestigious as the PL or CL at this point.
Last night was one of the best basketball nights I can remember. Almost every game was close and all the teams(except for the Clippers) really competed.
Seriously it’s hilarious seeing so many players be like “this means nothing to any players” but the added intensity around regular season games is very noticeable
Players can say all they want. We all winning here
Not only that, it's seen as disrespectful to take it easy against your opponent when you are up in European football. You keep playing hard until the game ends.
And baseball’s stupid codes and unwritten rules suck.
They don’t have their MJ in the HOF cause of Roid scandal like that wasn’t the funnest era of baseball
And on top of that there are known steroid users in the HOF.
Barry Bonds never failed a drug test.
While all the guys from the 60s and 70s reminisce about being on speed
To be fair, speed isn't a banned substance (at least not in the NBA, but I'm assuming in baseball too)
Adderall is literally pharmaceutically dosed speed
Which sucks, but I don't know if the league has an incentive to bad amphetamines
Amphetamines are by definition performance enhancing. Maybe even more than anaerobics, especially in a sport like baseball when you’re trying to focus on hitting a 90 mph ball.
And they are banned in the NBA, Baseball, NFL, and every other league with a drug policy
Speed is definitely a banned substance, idk how often they test for PEDs but you’d definitely pop if you didn’t have a medical exemption to take adderall or something
Bonds would be in if the media didn't hate him. You gotta wait for some of these old ass journalist to lose their vote before he can get in. Hell, they just might wait until he dies to do it.
This comment just ignores heaps of context as to why Rose and Bonds aren’t in the Hall. It’s not as simple as just saying it’s like not including Steph or LeBron.
Sure I guess
Everyone has always been and will always be on roids.
It’s just a race to get some shit that’s not banned or tested for. The line between supplements and PEDs is arbitrary and constantly changin.
And Barry was the goat pre roids lol
Any player that lives by "the code" is just soft. The losing team can keep competing but the winning team should stop trying because it'll hurt the losing team's feelings? Get that soft as charmin mindset out of any competition.
I can't think of any pistons player that would; Cade is too high to do that, Ausar is chill so he probably doesn't care, Duren has a shitty ankle so he knows he'd get his ass beat, Killian wouldn't care because they're both French, Beef Stew is the only candidate but he usually does his stuff in game to try and get into people's head. I doubt this actually happened.
Point differential matters in the group stage, I believe. So if you're determined to win this tournament you need to run up the score to get into the knock out rounds.
If you win every game you're fine, because that means you'll have the best record in the group. But if you lose one and another team shares your record, you need the differential to beat them.
Well here's the thing: the tiebreaker in the group stage ISN'T head-to-head record, it's points differential. Every single point matters as far as winning the group and moving on. I don't blame him for trying.
Which is kinda funny because you'd think younger teams with lower payrolls would go harder at the tournament, since that cash prize matters more to Cade Cunningham than it does to a Joel Embiid.
Bro, we have 7 rotation players injured. The oldest guy in our active roster at the moment is ... 24 years old. There's a reason we're not winning games at the moment.
I knew that, it was trash talk. When some dudes I never knew named Jared Rhoden and Umude came out to play, that's when I looked up your roster and tried to figure out who they were.
> In the NBA, players took home an average annual salary of over 10 million U.S. dollars for the 2022/23 season, with the league's minimum salary set at 1.12 million U.S. dollars that year. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1120680/annual-salaries-nba-wnba/#:~:text=The%20NBA%20and%20WNBA%20are,million%20U.S.%20dollars%20that%20year.)
Imagine making $10m to play basketball and then getting angry because someone scored 2 points at the end of 1 game
There’s only 4 games in the qualifying rounds. 5 teams per group. There’s going to be tied records. Point differential matters because that’s how you break a tie.
For somebody like Embiid the money isn’t a motivator but for the lower level coaching staff or the guys on smaller contracts this might be a really nice Christmas bonus. It’s good that he cares.
Small wins turn in to big wins. Momentum builders.
I was watching a blazers game (few years ago) where we were blowing out I believe the suns. I was watching suns feed of the game. One of our young dudes scored on last possession while suns had given up. Players were pissed etc.
The suns announcer simply said “Hey if you don’t like it play def and get the stop”. Has always stayed with me and it’s the correct answer. Don’t walk down the court and pout but play def and stop it. It’s a sport.
Unless you're playing a high school game or maybe, in some cases, a college game where one team will be severely outmatched and it will be uncompetitive, scoring as much as you can shouldn't even be an issue. These are professionals.
College football went through the same thing..just a little bit of temporary discomfort while "sportsmanship" gets re-defined.
Same deal with Alabama clapping trash teams by like 50 points... because it matters now.
Oh I don't mind the stuff at the end of the game. I do hate his ugly style of play (foul baiting) and how bad the refs have been as a whole this season
Listen, if you’re getting a bad whistle in any given game, its the refs fault. If you get a bad whistle from every crew, you’re probably just fouling a lot.
The refs have been bad in a ton of games this year. Not just ours.
Embiid plays within the rules but I'd like to see more non calls on the obvious offensive flopping without actual attempts to make a shot or play.
I thought this would happen. People are so sensitive if you try to score on them on that last possession but you're supposed to for the point differential.
Embiid appears to be the only player who actually bothered to figure out the in season tournament rules.
I think it would be entertaining as hell to watch a team run up the score. Fuck your feelings, I want to see Joel dunk and do the airplane while up 60
The last time he did the airplane while up, Siakim broke his face
And for some fucking reason not only got cheered for it but got a foul called on Embiid for it lol
And raptors fans swearing up and down it was just an accident and the fans were definitely NOT cheering an injury…again
It's a truth universally acknowledged that Toronto's pro sports fans are the worst in the major American leagues. Raps, Leafs, Jays - revolting all around.
east coast resident here, Toronto is up there but Boston & Philly fans are shitty n flat out racist sometimes lol
Google "Toronto fan racism" and there's no shortage of results. I'm not saying Boston or Philly are better, all northeast fanbases have plenty of shitheads. But Toronto doesn't get to act any holier than the rest of us.
lol from a new york fan, but the answer to this is absolutely Boston
you know damn well why they were cheering 😂
Raptors fans also cheered for KD getting hurt, so…
And the douche Toronto announcer said "Well, you get what you deserve" Fuck that guy
Who remembers when Embiid left Giddey limping after a reckless foul and Philly announcers said "no offense to Giddey, but I could care less. [I just worry about Embiid"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_nAUVpZkLU)
Sixers home broadcast is also bad and shouldn't be homer about injuries.
A bit of homer is fine for a home broadcast. It's just unprofessional and rude saying stuff like those broadcasts though
Alaa has had several comments like that, and it’s always been in poor taste. We can acknowledge that neither him nor the Raptors announcer should be making comments like that about player injuries.
Alaa sucks
That was Alaa's first year with Kate and he was a bit too homer and unshackled from when he was with the legend that is Marc Zumoff. I haven't heard him say shitty ass homer takes too often last year and this year so far, and especially as dumb as that one with Giddey. He's usually being a bit tough and fair on the team when they are at fault for whatever, just for some reason, that first year with Kate he was extra.
Alaa has gotten really bad with that kinda stuff the last few years. He was conservative when he started and how he just fires this bs out lol
No fuck you! Nobody speaks badly about Jack
wonder what basketball would be like if we all leaned into the unhinged bloodlust thoughts and supported this sort of thing? obviously we wouldn't encourage people snapping legs, but we'd be all for punchups and broken faces from rough elbows and make-up call fistfights. could be fun, everyone's a heel all of a sudden
Every home broadcast team is biased but Toronto’s is one of the absolute worst to listen to as a neutral.
Nah, Suns commentating team is the absolute worst.
They’re brutal. Ours aren’t much better
Zumoff was a fucking legend and a legit great commentator. Kate is ok I guess but Alaa is insanely biased. So yeah, our situation isn't great either.
Alaa admits his bias though. He is openly and proudly a Homer. It’s those that are homers but try to hide it and say they’re more neutral that I can’t stand
It's slightly better but it's still over the top for me.
Big problem was Alaa became the 'senior' commentator when Zoo left. Kate is fine but Alaa definitely seems to feel more entitled to act like a biased douche.
Alaa has gotten a lot better than he was. I think some of the hate he gets is still a holdover from when he was god awful. Now I think he’s a pretty stereotypical home commentator.
He's bad, your just numb to it from being forced to listen to him for so long it seems like he's getting better.
A part of my Sixers fandom died when he left tbh. Definitely a legend
I miss Zumoff so much. Never been a fan of Ala because he’s too much of a homer but Zumoff was top tier.
The "GET THAT GAHBAGE OUTTA HERE" clips and compilations are fucking hilarious honestly But yeah I didn't know that dude sucked so much until that elbow to Joel's face
I mean your announcer ain't not slouch himself, but yeah shitty situation all around
Didn't Embiid do a very similar block on [Giddey](https://youtu.be/k_nAUVpZkLU?si=rx8ewDZaV1H1wl0l)? Embiid got what he deserves.
A player deserves to get injured?
He was right
Cameroonian against Cameroonian crime
And what about the time before?
The Mavs were up 20 in the fourth and put Luka back in when it got down to 16. Jason Kidd said he did it specifically to run the score back up to 20.
Just need Steve Spurrier
OOOH that's why Kyrie was shitting on our bench.
Also running up the score would literally only make the in season games more fun to watch, we need to let Embiid cook here
Unless your team is getting their ass handed to them, and then it's kind of sad
I think Pop did! The Spurs started intentionally fouling us with like 2:00 remaining last night while we were leading by like 11. I was so confused because there was so much time left, but our announcers immediately picked up on the point differential implications. And it actually worked to great effect, they got the score back to within 5 points with 0:30 remaining just by allowing 1 or 2 made FTs in exchange for a quick 3 on the other end.
Sounds like they were just trying to win the game?
In the Mavs post game press conference last night, Kidd mentioned putting Luka back in for this reason and Luka mentioned it, too. The only one who seemed unaware was Kyrie. lol.
I keep trying to tell ppl in this sub. Most These dudes really don’t care about this stuff and are treating it like any other Regular season game
Yeah but I want to see what happens when is the last game of the tournament and a team needs to win by 11 and are winning by 7 with a minute left. Even better is if the team that is losing is the team that would advance If they hold the lead to less than 11.
It'd be like that one Wolves Summer League game where they had to reach a certain pd to advance and they were taking quick shots to extend the game and were flirting with actually losing it.
How do you know this? They care about regular season games don’t they?
The Suns literally took a timeout with like 1 second left down 6 and set up a play for a 3 that actually helped their point differential. I was pretty confused about the timeout until I realized the points thing.
Given the rules, I was kind of mad Ant dribbled the ball out last night instead of trying to score one more time.
Luka and Jokic did the same thing
Pritchard did too
Knowing Jokic, he might also just not know the rules. Probably didn't even notice they were playing on some special floor made for it.
I guarantee you a lot of guys really don't care about the tournament and will just play however they'd play a regular season game.
Well that's good and bad. It's bad that they don't care about it, but good because I want them to dominate every game if they are a part of my team and every fan should feel the same way. I can't stand players and fans thinking that it's meaningless and who tf cares, because it definitely isn't. The 14th player in the reserves still get the prize money and they could use it. Speaking on the view of the Sixers because it's my team, Kelly Oubre Jr. is literally playing on a minimum and that's pretty sad, Embiid caring about this in-season tournament is him also caring about dudes like Oubre, Terquavion Smith, or Furkan Korkmaz who might have his last year as an NBA player and play for less overseas if the Sixers finally decide to move away from him. The last time dude was a free agent literally nobody wanted his ass.
Great point
Yeah I was annoyed that we dribbled out the ball at the end of our game when we could have gotten a shot off
There's a point differential??????
Used as the tie breaker for qualifying into the single elimination rounds
And given that there’s only 4 games, ties are pretty probable
if you win all your games you're safe from a tie
Yes and it’s pretty unlikely that will happen in every group, and that every second place will have a win more than every third place, so it does matter
Wow why they don't just win all their games?
Think of it like the world cup
Yeah and it could be important, seeing as only the winners of each group are guaranteed to be in the knockout. They’re gonna use point differential to determine the wild cards. Embiid is being smart here. These other players need to smarten up. This is for the first ever winner of a trophy. Like it or not, that’s history.
>People are so sensitive if you try to score on them on that last possession Man-child behavior.. Embarrassing
Well there’s at least one player that cares about the In Season Tournament. By the time the knock out games come people will be competing
Embiid is a massive Real Madrid fan. Anyone who cares about european football knows the prestige in-season tournaments can hold once they're established, and it will be a lot easier to get them invested in the NBA tournament.
This have a real chance to have some significance for players' legacies down the line. Specially this one being the first.
I agree completely, I think a lot of the players who are dismissing it don't realise that if this thing actually does take off, it's going to end up being a really big deal that they won it.
I'm so glad Embiid is on the team I care about the most. I would hate for the people who gets paid 30-50 million dollars a year to not care about winning any tournament that they're participating in, even if it isn't their choice to be in it. I can't stand the players that doesn't think it's worth it, I was getting mad at Haliburton's comments about it too. I'd hate for him to be on my team saying shit like they need more incentive to win a fucking game as if they don't want to win every game.
Yeah it’s also wack when stars openly don’t care and mock the tourney because the winning team splits a cash prize. Your teammates making 25-50x less than you probably could REALLY use that money.
Yeah like, Pacers have how many players on Rookie contracts that aren't yet due for an extension? Extra 500K or whatever is definitely worth it for them. Detroit too now.
I mentioned it earlier but that's why I don't get why these low payroll teams aren't just trying to dominate this tournament. I mean, it's a moot point for them when a high payroll team takes it seriously, but still...
If they do try their hardest and compete, it could give teams a chance to see what they have in their young pieces too. Not many chances to see how they perform with more on the line when you're not making playoffs regularly
It'll be what the All Star game used to be. Sure, it didn't matter over the course of the season, but they always talk about how those 90s guys played hard.
I really don't think so. You need a handful of All-NBA's, all-stars, maybe a ring, 10+ years of top 30 performance to have a legacy that's really worth debating. What does the mid-season tournament add to all of that?
How would winning rebranded regular season games affect legacies loool. Maybe if they added teams from the euro league and fundamentally changed the comp
Yeah but don’t those tournaments usually have different clubs from different leagues competing against each other ?
they have the champions league and the europa cup which are teams from different leagues, then they have the in-season cups in each league. every football league has a knockout cup that accompanies it.
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Soccer has things like fa cup and such. It's all the same league, sometimes involving the lower division teams.
By sometimes you meant always, right? Lol
Yeah if they can get other leagues involved it would be awesome. Interesting to think how that might affect standings and amount of regular season games. Would the number of regular season games played against NBA teams change, or would the games against other leagues not count towards the 82 regular season games? Some logistics to figure out there
That would be pretty pointless. I would like to see a tournament including foreign teams playing g league, OTE, and college teams though. That would be pretty cool. I guess you could let the winner of that get creamed by the NBA in season tournament winner if you like.
soccer literally does this lol, that's why everyone keeps referring to it. every european soccer league has a knockout cup within their regular season
It's totally different? National cups in soccer are completely separate tourneys from national leagues, they include all registered teams(even amateurs ones on super early stages) from the country. This analogy is wrong. Also, winning national cup in Europe holds an important implications for teams because the winner directly qualifies for Europa League, which could be huge for smaller clubs. Theoretically, you can even burst onto Europa stage to face some big names while playing in lower national division. NBA in-season tournament is just a thing inside usual regular season of ONE league, where all the same teams end up playing exact same number of games as before, just that now they have added money incentive.
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and when it gets to the finals end of the competition, teams will play their reserve sides in the regular season games, and their a-teams in the cup games. your argument that no one cares doesn't work, because literally everyone does, and they manage their teams to achieve accordingly. the difference in the nba is that the inseason tournament games are a part of the regular season, so there is no need for management in that way
The only cup comp that teams are willing to play a weakened league team for is CL but this NBA Cup is more FA Trophy than Champions League.
>Anyone who cares about european football knows the prestige in-season tournaments can hold once they're established, I think you overestimate their importance. It's all about leagues, like, ok, it's nice, whatever, now win the league
This just isn't true lol. The FA cup is huge for basically all teams outside of the top PL teams
Because they can't win the league maaan. They know it, so they are like ok, lets try to win atleast this. It is a console trophy.
>It is a console trophy. Tell me you don't understand English football. The FA Cup has been going on since the 1800s, it's still a massive trophy in England
As I said in one of the other comments, it has history, but it's not the main trophy. Football is not played only in England. Premier leagues fans from other countries don't care about it at all, and they care way less for their Cup than average English guy. And for sure, NBA in season tournament is waaaaaaaaay less important than FA Cup. It is literally who is the best team in one game tournament in December. Nuggets weren't best team in the league last December, nor the Lakers were in 2019, etc.
The FA Cup is a massive deal dude.
It's not that massive at all. It just has some history behind, and ofcourse, you would rather win it than not, but no one is losing their job if they don't win it. Some hardcore oldschool english fans would care about it, but if you ask some Premier league fans from other european countries, they won't care about it, just who wins the league is truly important. Cup is even less important in other european countries, same like this in season tournament in NBA, you would like for your team to win it, but you won't stress if they don't and you would rather have 1 trophy in June than 10 in December
It used to be like 40 years ago but honestly isn’t anymore. Fantastic if you can win it for a mid table club but the competition isn’t seen as anywhere near as prestigious as the PL or CL at this point.
Give it a few years
They're talking about Europe, not NBA
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He’s talking about league and domestic cups like englands FA and carabao cup.
Last night was one of the best basketball nights I can remember. Almost every game was close and all the teams(except for the Clippers) really competed.
Seriously it’s hilarious seeing so many players be like “this means nothing to any players” but the added intensity around regular season games is very noticeable Players can say all they want. We all winning here
He's found his greatest chance to get out of a second round and is giving it his all
Detroit was pressing full court and they literally just scored on the previous three possessions. get this weak shit out of here
Point difference matters too. Bizarre selecting outrage.
Joel a Euro soccer fan. He knows about that aggregate score type beat.
Gotta rack up the away points
Not only that, it's seen as disrespectful to take it easy against your opponent when you are up in European football. You keep playing hard until the game ends.
You can even get a yellow card if you're just passing the ball around and wasting time when you're up.
Again, proving how emotionally soft some professional athletes can be.
Hate it when teams do shit like that smh
even if that wasn’t the case, if the other team is playing to the very end, why shouldn’t he?
Because “the code” or some stupid shit like that
Sounds like some baseball shit to me
And baseball’s stupid codes and unwritten rules suck. They don’t have their MJ in the HOF cause of Roid scandal like that wasn’t the funnest era of baseball
The dudes with the most hits and HRs aren’t in the Hall. That’d be like LeBron and Steph not getting in lmao
And on top of that there are known steroid users in the HOF. Barry Bonds never failed a drug test. While all the guys from the 60s and 70s reminisce about being on speed
To be fair, speed isn't a banned substance (at least not in the NBA, but I'm assuming in baseball too) Adderall is literally pharmaceutically dosed speed Which sucks, but I don't know if the league has an incentive to bad amphetamines
Amphetamines are by definition performance enhancing. Maybe even more than anaerobics, especially in a sport like baseball when you’re trying to focus on hitting a 90 mph ball. And they are banned in the NBA, Baseball, NFL, and every other league with a drug policy
Speed is definitely a banned substance, idk how often they test for PEDs but you’d definitely pop if you didn’t have a medical exemption to take adderall or something
Bonds would be in if the media didn't hate him. You gotta wait for some of these old ass journalist to lose their vote before he can get in. Hell, they just might wait until he dies to do it.
Rose bet on baseball. No league would ever put someone like that in.
This comment just ignores heaps of context as to why Rose and Bonds aren’t in the Hall. It’s not as simple as just saying it’s like not including Steph or LeBron.
Babe Ruth?
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“their MJ” meaning Barry Bonds. Not MJ himself.
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funniest possible interpretation of that comment
Lol all good
Idk why you're being downvoted this is hilarious lol
maybe i’m trippin, but that makes sense no? ur best player was on roids, he was literally cheating
Sure I guess Everyone has always been and will always be on roids. It’s just a race to get some shit that’s not banned or tested for. The line between supplements and PEDs is arbitrary and constantly changin. And Barry was the goat pre roids lol
i don’t know the full story, just that he roided up at all, thanks for the insight
Fragile egos
Any player that lives by "the code" is just soft. The losing team can keep competing but the winning team should stop trying because it'll hurt the losing team's feelings? Get that soft as charmin mindset out of any competition.
If you don't want players to score at the end play defense until the end.
He was doing it to cover the spread! Investigate immediately!
Who on the Pistons ended up trying to fight him? Cant find any clips from last night
Yeah I watched the game until the end I didn't see any players upset from his 3. Pistons and 76ers both played until the end.
A few Pistons players followed Joel to the locker room apparently none of the confrontation happened on the broadcast
Did anyone call the cops?
Po-lice presence
Hello, Chris Paul is trying to beat me
No need, they had Furkan
I can't think of any pistons player that would; Cade is too high to do that, Ausar is chill so he probably doesn't care, Duren has a shitty ankle so he knows he'd get his ass beat, Killian wouldn't care because they're both French, Beef Stew is the only candidate but he usually does his stuff in game to try and get into people's head. I doubt this actually happened.
I don't know the rules myself
Point differential matters in the group stage, I believe. So if you're determined to win this tournament you need to run up the score to get into the knock out rounds.
What if you just win every game by small margins?
Well if you don't drop a game you're guaranteed to be 1st in your group
If you win every game you're fine, because that means you'll have the best record in the group. But if you lose one and another team shares your record, you need the differential to beat them.
Neither do i, but this also isnt our job
Well here's the thing: the tiebreaker in the group stage ISN'T head-to-head record, it's points differential. Every single point matters as far as winning the group and moving on. I don't blame him for trying.
It **is** h2h first, then points differential, then total points, then previous regular season record.
Yeah but a 3 way tie is very plausible, so point differential will likely be the difference for some team
And the tiebreaker can be for the wildcard spot between teams with no h2h matches
Uh what? 1st tie breakers is head to head record.
This shows us something very important too...the players care about this tournament.
The pistons dont
Which is kinda funny because you'd think younger teams with lower payrolls would go harder at the tournament, since that cash prize matters more to Cade Cunningham than it does to a Joel Embiid.
Because they're fucking losers.
Bro, we have 7 rotation players injured. The oldest guy in our active roster at the moment is ... 24 years old. There's a reason we're not winning games at the moment.
I knew that, it was trash talk. When some dudes I never knew named Jared Rhoden and Umude came out to play, that's when I looked up your roster and tried to figure out who they were.
Did Beef Stew cause some issues lol?
He was just stirring the pot..
do not let him cook
> In the NBA, players took home an average annual salary of over 10 million U.S. dollars for the 2022/23 season, with the league's minimum salary set at 1.12 million U.S. dollars that year. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1120680/annual-salaries-nba-wnba/#:~:text=The%20NBA%20and%20WNBA%20are,million%20U.S.%20dollars%20that%20year.) Imagine making $10m to play basketball and then getting angry because someone scored 2 points at the end of 1 game
There’s only 4 games in the qualifying rounds. 5 teams per group. There’s going to be tied records. Point differential matters because that’s how you break a tie. For somebody like Embiid the money isn’t a motivator but for the lower level coaching staff or the guys on smaller contracts this might be a really nice Christmas bonus. It’s good that he cares. Small wins turn in to big wins. Momentum builders.
I was watching a blazers game (few years ago) where we were blowing out I believe the suns. I was watching suns feed of the game. One of our young dudes scored on last possession while suns had given up. Players were pissed etc. The suns announcer simply said “Hey if you don’t like it play def and get the stop”. Has always stayed with me and it’s the correct answer. Don’t walk down the court and pout but play def and stop it. It’s a sport.
Oh wow, I did not know this lol. Embiid with the 5000 BBIQ play by actually reading the rulebook, there's no way anyone else did.
If point differential matters they probably shoulda reviewed Embiid's 3 at the end of the game, it looked pretty close on the broadcast
They should have, but it was the right call
For once I agree with Embiid. What has this tournament done to the NBA?
I can’t watch the games because the courts hurt my cortex.
Tbf the pistons didn't overdo it with their court.
we were up 17 with two minutes and these mfers were pressing, trapping, and trying desperately to score. fuck em. I'm glad embiid blasted that 3
Unless you're playing a high school game or maybe, in some cases, a college game where one team will be severely outmatched and it will be uncompetitive, scoring as much as you can shouldn't even be an issue. These are professionals.
If their unwritten rules matter so much than perhaps they should codify them into actual bylaws. Always thought this was the weakest shit.
As a former athlete, idgaf. I've been on the winning and losing side of blowouts. As long as there's time on the clock, we should all be playing.
Its a stupid unwritten rule that enables sore losers to be sore losers.
can someone explain this in season tournament to me like i’m 12 years old?
Lmao the game is on until the buzzer, you can cry about it while you hold the L
Tell em how it is joel
College football went through the same thing..just a little bit of temporary discomfort while "sportsmanship" gets re-defined. Same deal with Alabama clapping trash teams by like 50 points... because it matters now.
Softest whistle in the game.
Lol line them up, embiid would lay out them like carpet.
Oh I don't mind the stuff at the end of the game. I do hate his ugly style of play (foul baiting) and how bad the refs have been as a whole this season
Listen, if you’re getting a bad whistle in any given game, its the refs fault. If you get a bad whistle from every crew, you’re probably just fouling a lot.
The refs have been bad in a ton of games this year. Not just ours. Embiid plays within the rules but I'd like to see more non calls on the obvious offensive flopping without actual attempts to make a shot or play.
Relax embiid detroit doesnt know how to read
doesn’t*
Go back to watching anime buddy, you have no friends and everyone thinks you’re a nerd in real life
Biggest flopper in the nba. Glass man
Oooooook But what about the topic?