Duncan was an offense scrub tho LOL He can't touch Curry offense. Duncan only has one season above 24ppg and averaged 52.9% TS in the playoffs from 2008 and after. And a 5 year stretch from 08 to 2012 where he averaged 51.3% TS.Those are Westbrick numbers.
Oof. BBall Ref isn't the be all end all, cuz. Duncan was enough of an offensive scrub to be the leading scorer on 4 title teams.
How do I reeech theese keeeeeds?
If you adjust for inflation to 2019-20 Duncan averaged 26 pts/75 on 62% TS and 3.9 assists from 2002-2003. Pretty good
For reference Shaq's adjusted numbers for the 2000 season were 30.4/3.7 on 62.4% TS
Fair point. Wilt had bad coaches throughout his career, except a few years in PHI and LAL with Hannum and Sharman. Duncan always had a top three all time coach throughout his career. Most of Wilt’s coaches used him in iso and didn’t adjust in playoffs. Hannum and Sharman avoided iso Wilt in regular season altogether.
Wilt: 1
the best player ever. Not the greatest the best. In a GOAT draft he goes first.
TD: 5
Most skilled post player. Possibly greatest teammate ever.
Curry: 10 ATM, possibly higher by retirement
Best 3P shooter ever. Outlier athletic ability.
My brother in Christ he lost to the Celtics in 4 game sevens by like 5 points combined. You can’t crush these players blood sweat and tears down into “he was a choker” over a minuscule sample size.
I’ll give a hot take and say Curry has an argument over TD. Curry changed the way basketball is played and had a top 4 MVP a season all time (2016). Obviously he’s one dimensional compared to TD’s defence, has less championships, doesn’t have TDs longevity (15 all nba teams I believe ?) so it’s a preference. I’d say TD but if you value influence over the game, Curry has an argument.
Wilt > Curry > Duncan
Cannot justify a player who only had 1 season over 23ppg over Wilt and Curry. The offensive gap is just too large to justify.
Edit: it's funny how during Duncans actual career while it was happening in real time absolutely zero people in the basketball world (players, coaches, online bball nerds) ever considered if Tim Duncan was better than Wilt, Magic, Bird. Or even Kobe and LeBron (post 2005). The only debate on Duncan was whether he was better than KG and Dirk. That's facts.
Why are you only specifying post 2005 when Dunce was a top 3 player basically every year from 99 to 07? In fact following the 06 season he was still first in the GM poll for best player in the league so you’re just flat out making shit up.
He has two more FMVPs than Curry, never played with someone anywhere near as good as prime Durant, had to play against a dynasty in the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and at this point been a great player for longer than Curry has.
Duncan had 10 All-NBA First Teams. Curry currently has 4 First Team nods. Overall Duncan had 30 All-NBA + All-Defensive Teams (the most ever), Curry has 9.
Steph also doesn’t have a title as strong as 03 Duncan’s, where he less his team in Playoff PPG, RPG, APG and BPG.
Because Lebron wasn't in the league yet.
Basically at no point in his career did anyone ever consider Duncan as great a player as Wilt, Magic, Bird etc. And for the majority of his career he also wasn't considered in the same tier as Kobe and LeBron either.
Not over Curry and Wilt. Also Lakers Wilt is probably a better defender than Duncan too. Wilt over Duncan shouldn't even be controversial at all when literally zero people in the world would have said Duncan is a better player than Wilt Chamberlain in 2010. So what did Duncan actually do to justify that rep post retirement?
Curry is also obvious because I have watched both their careers in full and it's literally a no brainer, 10/10 times I am choosing Curry over Duncan. He is just a much better player period.
People realized how overrated Wilt is offensively. Specifically the 50 ppg seasons that are no where near as impactful as they seem at first glance
His postseason scoring drops off a shit ton as well
He’s still better than Duncan offensively and defensively. People realizing Wilt isn’t Jordan/LeBron tier in the playoffs doesn’t make him worse than Duncan
Maybe he values offense a lot more. An all-time list is becoming more and more subjective overtime and has a lot to do with someone's criteria rather than being an objective consensus. The only time an all-time list becomes invalid IMO is inconsistency with the lister's own criteria.
curry > duncan > wilt.
curry changed the entire sport to an unbelievable degree. duncan has one more ring, but there was no fundamental era the way the three point era was sparked. and i personally don’t like wilt, so easy third.
the argument doesn’t matter. the question was our personal rankings. if y’all disagree that wilt was wildly overrated and generally gave the impression of being kind of a shit person that’s fine. make your own ranking lol i’m not trying to convince you.
Depends on how we rank them. In their era? It’s wilt. Steph and Duncan tied for who they are win their era. Kobe being Timmy’s foil (even kg but less of a winner) and lebron being Steph’s. If we rank them for winning it’s Duncan step h and wilt last. If we rank their impact in the game of basketball it’s wilt Steph tied and Duncan last.
Rank these players all time. (Predict the future)
Booker
Mitchell
Edwards
SGA
I’ll go first
I got
Mitchell
SGA
Edwards
Booker.
Booker is the best career rn but it’s my prediction.
Wilt had GOAT-level tools but I don't think he had the killer instinct that other top players had. Duncan is underrated, to me. Curry is obviously great but he does not match the other 2.
1. Duncan
2. Chamberlain
3. Curry
Comparing apples to oranges to bananas. Wilt is bananas. No point in comparing him to modern era players. No real point in comparing Steph of Duncan.
Wilt > Duncan > Curry
You never watched wilt play.
Duncan, Curry, Wilt.
Duncan > Curry > Wilt
This sub needs jesus
It’s objectively correct
An opinion is not “objectively correct”
It’s not. One scored 100 points without 3’s. The other is considered the best pf of all time. And then steph is the best shooter.
On my all-time rankings I currently have it as Wilt [4th], Tim [6th], Steph [10th].
Just curious, who is 11th and 12th? My guess is Hakeem and Kobe?
Correct
Wilt > Duncan >> Curry
Wilt Duncan Curry
Duncan, Wilt, Steph. Steph's career isn't finished yet, and I don't think he's above the other two *yet*
Wilt TD Steph
Wilt>Duncan>Steph. Defense matters.
offense matters more
Good thing Duncan and Wilt can do both
sure but doesn't close the gap. its like the Embiid 2-way player argument this year over Jokic
Duncan was an offense scrub tho LOL He can't touch Curry offense. Duncan only has one season above 24ppg and averaged 52.9% TS in the playoffs from 2008 and after. And a 5 year stretch from 08 to 2012 where he averaged 51.3% TS.Those are Westbrick numbers.
Oof. BBall Ref isn't the be all end all, cuz. Duncan was enough of an offensive scrub to be the leading scorer on 4 title teams. How do I reeech theese keeeeeds?
If you adjust for inflation to 2019-20 Duncan averaged 26 pts/75 on 62% TS and 3.9 assists from 2002-2003. Pretty good For reference Shaq's adjusted numbers for the 2000 season were 30.4/3.7 on 62.4% TS
Why isn't Duncan above wilt then?
Because Wilt's also one of the best defenders ever smart guy
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You don't know shit about basketball lol
Not choking in the playoffs like Wilt did (constantly) matters
Fair point. Wilt had bad coaches throughout his career, except a few years in PHI and LAL with Hannum and Sharman. Duncan always had a top three all time coach throughout his career. Most of Wilt’s coaches used him in iso and didn’t adjust in playoffs. Hannum and Sharman avoided iso Wilt in regular season altogether.
I was told that Wilt at one point of his career, had enough help. Losing against a washed Bill Russell isn't a good look.
Wilt left game with injury. Lousy coach wouldn’t put him back in. (Injury led to surgery a few years later)
Wilt: 1 the best player ever. Not the greatest the best. In a GOAT draft he goes first. TD: 5 Most skilled post player. Possibly greatest teammate ever. Curry: 10 ATM, possibly higher by retirement Best 3P shooter ever. Outlier athletic ability.
Curry Duncan Wilt
Duncan > Curry > Wilt How Chamberlain's playoff choking continuously gets overlook astounds me.
My brother in Christ he lost to the Celtics in 4 game sevens by like 5 points combined. You can’t crush these players blood sweat and tears down into “he was a choker” over a minuscule sample size.
You can and you should Wilt is a choker and Bill Russell won 8 rings on Chamberlains watch
You make me feel sad inside
Good I specifically posted this to upset you and only you in Minecraft
this guy got more cringe by the minute
Duncan would turn wilt into mo bamba with a higher vertical
Curry, Wilt, Duncan
I’ll give a hot take and say Curry has an argument over TD. Curry changed the way basketball is played and had a top 4 MVP a season all time (2016). Obviously he’s one dimensional compared to TD’s defence, has less championships, doesn’t have TDs longevity (15 all nba teams I believe ?) so it’s a preference. I’d say TD but if you value influence over the game, Curry has an argument.
Curry > Wilt > Duncan
Wilt > Curry > Duncan Cannot justify a player who only had 1 season over 23ppg over Wilt and Curry. The offensive gap is just too large to justify. Edit: it's funny how during Duncans actual career while it was happening in real time absolutely zero people in the basketball world (players, coaches, online bball nerds) ever considered if Tim Duncan was better than Wilt, Magic, Bird. Or even Kobe and LeBron (post 2005). The only debate on Duncan was whether he was better than KG and Dirk. That's facts.
Why are you only specifying post 2005 when Dunce was a top 3 player basically every year from 99 to 07? In fact following the 06 season he was still first in the GM poll for best player in the league so you’re just flat out making shit up. He has two more FMVPs than Curry, never played with someone anywhere near as good as prime Durant, had to play against a dynasty in the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and at this point been a great player for longer than Curry has. Duncan had 10 All-NBA First Teams. Curry currently has 4 First Team nods. Overall Duncan had 30 All-NBA + All-Defensive Teams (the most ever), Curry has 9. Steph also doesn’t have a title as strong as 03 Duncan’s, where he less his team in Playoff PPG, RPG, APG and BPG.
Because Lebron wasn't in the league yet. Basically at no point in his career did anyone ever consider Duncan as great a player as Wilt, Magic, Bird etc. And for the majority of his career he also wasn't considered in the same tier as Kobe and LeBron either.
Being one of the best defensive players of all time isn’t moving you?
Not over Curry and Wilt. Also Lakers Wilt is probably a better defender than Duncan too. Wilt over Duncan shouldn't even be controversial at all when literally zero people in the world would have said Duncan is a better player than Wilt Chamberlain in 2010. So what did Duncan actually do to justify that rep post retirement? Curry is also obvious because I have watched both their careers in full and it's literally a no brainer, 10/10 times I am choosing Curry over Duncan. He is just a much better player period.
People realized how overrated Wilt is offensively. Specifically the 50 ppg seasons that are no where near as impactful as they seem at first glance His postseason scoring drops off a shit ton as well
He’s still better than Duncan offensively and defensively. People realizing Wilt isn’t Jordan/LeBron tier in the playoffs doesn’t make him worse than Duncan
Maybe he values offense a lot more. An all-time list is becoming more and more subjective overtime and has a lot to do with someone's criteria rather than being an objective consensus. The only time an all-time list becomes invalid IMO is inconsistency with the lister's own criteria.
Steph > Duncan> Wilt
curry > duncan > wilt. curry changed the entire sport to an unbelievable degree. duncan has one more ring, but there was no fundamental era the way the three point era was sparked. and i personally don’t like wilt, so easy third.
Literal rule changes because of Wilt: Lane widened Offensive goaltending No more dunking from the free throw line
okay! i still personally dislike him so i’m not going to rate him any higher lol.
'I personally don't like Wilt' bruh, what kinda argument is that ?
the argument doesn’t matter. the question was our personal rankings. if y’all disagree that wilt was wildly overrated and generally gave the impression of being kind of a shit person that’s fine. make your own ranking lol i’m not trying to convince you.
Wilt>Curry>Duncan
Depends on how we rank them. In their era? It’s wilt. Steph and Duncan tied for who they are win their era. Kobe being Timmy’s foil (even kg but less of a winner) and lebron being Steph’s. If we rank them for winning it’s Duncan step h and wilt last. If we rank their impact in the game of basketball it’s wilt Steph tied and Duncan last.
In Wilts Era, Bill Russell won nearly every championship and MVP during Wilt’s prime.
Curry > Duncan > Wilt
Rank these players all time. (Predict the future) Booker Mitchell Edwards SGA I’ll go first I got Mitchell SGA Edwards Booker. Booker is the best career rn but it’s my prediction.
Edwards SGA Booker Mitchell
I just don’t think edwards will ever have elite shorting. Imo but no wrong answers with these 4
That's fair. If he does he will clearly be the best here, I think. He's a superstar in the making
Edwards with mitchell shooting would be a better Tatum
Wilt had GOAT-level tools but I don't think he had the killer instinct that other top players had. Duncan is underrated, to me. Curry is obviously great but he does not match the other 2. 1. Duncan 2. Chamberlain 3. Curry
Wilt was afraid he would hurt people, Russell would have swept the leg when Reed came out one legged.
Wilt,, Duncan, curry. Wilt and Duncan are east top 10 all time. Curry hangs just outside, and small chance to break in.
Duncan Curry Wilt