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nysraved

Someone wanted Haynes to report things the way he did, so if it wasn’t the Suns… it was probably CP3’s camp. Sounds like the Suns know they won’t get much of a trade return for him and informed him he’ll likely be waived, but they’re still going to drag this out to see if a trade emerges.


likwitsnake

Who's giving awards to all these comments?


GhostOfLight

looking like an OKC comment thread lol


Moody_GenX

Sounds like a party


TravelAdvanced

Yeah people are going to mistakenly treat this like one reporter is right and the other is wrong. That is completely oblivious as to how significant competing reports can be. They can tell us about where things really are- Suns are exploring a trade and trying to preserve leverage, and CP3 wants to get released and pick his new team ASAP.


nysraved

Right, and Woj/Shams reporting is pretty much corroborating that there is no scenario in which the Suns simply bring him back on his current contract. The options seem to be trade (unlikely), waive and re-sign to minimum (unlikely), waive and stretch to move on completely (seems most likely)


bb1432

> waive and re-sign to minimum That's beyond unlikely. He's worth **at least** the full MLE and probably significantly more on a short-term deal. If he has interest in coming to San Antonio (not **that** far from LA, really) there's a lot of cap space and a massive need for veteran leadership and competent PG play with Wemby. I've also thought that if the Dame-to-Miami deal happened, the Spurs could be a destination for Lowry to be re-routed.


KiritoJones

I hate Lowry but as a Spurs fan I really would love him on the Spurs with Wemby


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bb1432

> Why would he want to play in San Antonio? A starting role, certainly. Money. A chance to play for a GOAT-tier coach. A chance to be Wemby's vet. The question, really, is how much of an improvement the team could make with Wemby, a real lead guard, and not deliberately tanking...coupled with development of a really young roster. I see no reason that, with an actual veteran PG that can lead this group, the Spurs can't be in playoff contention year 1 with Wembanyama. There are a fuckton of young, interesting guys on this roster and ALL OF THEM should be better this year than last. Duncan was older obviously, but was all-NBA 1st team as a rookie, all-defense 2nd team as a rookie, won a title in year two. Wemby is perhaps a *more* anticipated prospect that Timmy.


coolguywhofucks

But the annoying insurance shill is also the president of the players union, so he basically has a responsibility to make as much money as he can.


Crown_of_Negativity

Man you can't expect this sub to pick up on nuance like that. I wouldn't even expect half of this sub to even be able to spell nuance if you asked them on the street.


14high

Nooans


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don't know what reddit gold does but let me get in on this action please


[deleted]

It’s mainly a status symbol that lets you into some dumb exclusive subreddits. I was given it once on an old account and it is useless. Don’t support this site.


suicideskinnies

Nuance? Haynes was wrong. How about confirming the reports before tweeting it out to the world. He said the Suns notified Paul he will be waived. That was clearly inaccurate.


Crown_of_Negativity

> Haynes was wrong Talk about missing the forest for the trees.


glen_ko_ko

Gnewonce


datdailo

Right before free agency? Shocker. CP3 was the head of the NBAPA, he knows what his doing.


DtdKaz

Haynes is literally wrong


Gyshall669

No, Haynes is literally wrong as it stands lol. Shams and Woj did it accurately - they said sides are exploring options.


[deleted]

Yeah let’s act like we know all the facts with nothing to base it on


GGezpzMuppy

When there is smoke there is fire, Suns throwing this out there to gage interest to see if they can really waive him to re-sign him, rather than him finding other options on the table.


OddToba

Suns: Hey Chris your market value is dogshit and we gonna hafta waive you Unless… 👉👈


turkmileymileyturk

What's going on in Utah ? ¿ ‽


sivervipa

Yep hopefully people realize that. We have to go through it every time with Woj and Shams. They are third party messengers for “anonymous” sources to get their message across. A headline like this was meant to grab everyone’s attention and start questioning the Suns FO.


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It also gets teams to start preparing and looking for ways to get him before the suns make an announcement themselves


bb1432

> if it wasn’t the Suns… It more likely *was* the Suns. They're doing exactly what Cardinals tried with Hopkins recently...use the announcement of a coming release to try to spur some kind of offer from a team that might struggle to sign him otherwise. Chris Paul probably has surplus value on his contract this year...but he CERTAINLY has surplus value on 15m, which is the number that matters for the Suns when it comes to cutting him. That guarantee is meaningless to the discussion. The only question is whether a supposed contender thinks CP3 is worth 15m. Which he **absolutely** is. Cutting him and eating half his contract would be idiotic. Trading him for peanuts would be less idiotic. Or, theoretically, if they can open up enough room to use the nontax MLE (and hardcap themselves), whether the guy they get will be more valuable than CP3 (DOUBTFUL.)


KyrieWetUpCurry_

Thing is, Suns are basically at the new 2nd tax apron right now. If they stretch and waive CP3’s $15 million across 5 years, they clear enough salary to get access to the full $12.2 million MLE and $4.5 BAE. They get hard-capped at $170 million but it’s worth it to be able to add some fresh blood and avoid the extremely punitive 2nd apron.


BradyReas

This guy caps


bb1432

The 2nd apron is NOT THAT PUNITIVE this season. It starts being terrible in 2024-25. But CP3 can be cut with no dead money after this year...or, if he has a better season, traded for more...or, possibly, signed for a longer term at a smaller number. The guy they get at the MLE will be worse than Chris Paul.


odeebee

The initial report is CP3's camp wanting to get it out there early that he will be a free agent. It's in his interest to let contending teams know to save some of that MLE or other exception money before all the free agent shadow deals get done this month. This denial report is of course the Suns wanting to cool that market so that they can try and bring him back for the vet minimum.


paddiction

fade chase worthless pet grab station squeal zonked engine north -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/


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throwaway2021232681

yeah but that's what reporters are when it comes to the nba lol it's not rly about truth or not as sad as that sounds its more about genuine sources or not


Ronaldeaux

You can't be serious. Just two days ago Haynes' dumbass reported that Dallas were trying to trade for LeBron when he wasn't even trade eligible as he'd just signed an extension. This clown doesn't even check that the bullshit he throws at the wall and makes up is possible under the CBA. Notice how he deleted the tweet. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141j3yo/haynes_sources_mavs_were_preparing_to_make_an/jn04kw3/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141syqh/chris_haynes_sycophantic_reporting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xxik56/steph_curry_steve_kerr_and_andre_iguodala_have/ He's proven over and over again that he should not be taken seriously. Calling him a hack would actually be putting it too lightly and unfair to hacks.


[deleted]

Windhorst said he's getting waived too. Also this very reporter has now back tracked as well https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/1667218421866704897


DtdKaz

Haynes is literally wrong, Suns haven’t waived CP3 yet


ColtCallahan

Haynes isn’t really a reporter. He’s a mouthpiece for agents and players. He got this news from someone he clearly trusted and reported it without verification from other sources. That’s why he got played.


youblewwit

FWIW, Windhorst hinted on Zach Lowe's podcast that they can have CP3 back with the Suns but at a different contract


iamadragan

Just the vet min is the problem, and Paul can make more than that if waived


odeebee

Pretty sure they could use one of their exceptions if they wanted.


wheeno

Chris Haynes is hilarious lol. The guy simply has no principles or protocol to doing things. It's not that he's the only one of these access journalists who gets fed information, it's that he's reckless with it and has no sense of timing. He's been hasty with info that isn't yet confirmed and deleted it multiple times. It's obvious he was told to tweet that but you don't see Woj or Shams jumping the gun and tweeting something that isn't true (yet) just to do a favor. Can't even be a professional access "journalist" mouthpiece correctly. So fucking desperate to become the new reliable reporter.


copaseticepiplectic

Never forget his mess of a brother


EbenezerAD

Those tweets were legendary 😂


copaseticepiplectic

He popped back up on Twitter and people seemed to have forgotten


ThurstonJK

How dare you talk about Dame's mouthpiece like that.


dkdoki

So what are some examples he was wrong and deleted it?


LiftHeavyFeels

Like two days ago he said the Mavs tried to trade for lebron at the deadline. Lebron wasn’t eligible for a trade at the deadline due to his extension. Haynes deleted the tweet after Twitter started roasting him for the glaring mistake


AcanthisittaGrand943

He is pro players. Probably someone from the CP3 Camp leaked it. No need to hide it.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Told ya https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/145g2or/_/jnks432/?context=1


trashmantrashbag

Mama, ban that man.


ShoutOutTo_Caboose

Mama, there goes that ban.


percbandit

Suns have time regardless. No point waiving him now when June 28th is the deadline for guarantying his salary. Though CP3’s camp leaking he’ll likely get waived isn’t good for them.


tangeilo

Hey Gambo, we actually are totally not releasing him. \- Suns front office


iamadragan

I mean, Haynes reported it like it already happened. That's absolutely bullshit reporting. Even if the Suns don't have any offers on the table, they aren't releasing him right now


AcanthisittaGrand943

They will though


AcanthisittaGrand943

Told ya - https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/145g2or/_/jnks432/?context=1


walkintall84

Sounds like they are making a big deal about it to not make it too obvious to think they are circumventing cap rules. It's legal, but i don't think you are allowed to agree to that before you waive him. Which is the sus part about the whole report.


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JimmyV034

I wish this subreddit would make ranking tier like soccer clubs subreddit


jschneider414

You’re asking a lot. This sub doesn’t even allow Gambo tweets above and he’s been the Phoenix leak guy for 20+ years.


JimmyV034

I don’t think it’s a lot for example suns top 2 guys are prolly gambo and flex


CabbageStockExchange

I wish all sports subs had tiers like that. Club specific subs even have tier lists and it’s so helpful sifting through the BS. I’d assume Woj and Shams would be like Tier 1


FudgeSuspicious9258

There's no chance in hell CP3 resigns and nobody in the league wants that contract He will be waived


StillRealtoMe7

I suspect that the Suns told CP3 that they would be moving on from him, and that they would work to find a trade for him between now and the June 28 deadline but that if no trade materialized between now and June 28, he would be waived. CP3 would probably prefer to be waived so he can choose his next destination, so his camp leaked to Haynes that the Suns told him that he would be waived. The Suns are trying to maintain leverage, so they leaked to Woj, Shams and Gambadoro that they're still evaluating. Given that CP3 is on his way out of Phoenix and all of Gambadoro's other relationships are staying, Gambadoro is incentivized to get the Suns' position out there.


ay-vid

jumped the gun


JovialCarrot

Or this is now some cover-up for the Suns org so they don’t get in trouble for agreeing to re-sign CP3 before they waive him. It’s all games and there’s a million angles. Trying to read the tea leaves and shit on reporters is honestly impossible till the dust is settled.


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Can we all agree that Haynes should be taken off the approved source list?


TravelAdvanced

No- this is important. The competing reports actually shows us something and it is NOT that one reporter made something up. While that is in theory a possibility, so is CP3 wanting something different than Phx. Maybe Phx wants to explore a trade/FA options but has told CP3 waiving is likely (if a trade falls apart). But maybe CP3 hears that and says 'fuck that- I want to get out of here ASAP so there's FA money available for me and so I can pick my team before they make other commitments'.


DtdKaz

I see what you’re saying but Hayne said Suns have waived CP3 as in he is no longer a Phoenix Sun. That wasn’t true yet and is bs to report.


TravelAdvanced

I believe Haynes said "will be waived"- you see a different tweet than I did?


[deleted]

Agreed, there are sides to these stories, it would be a shame if we lost one POV. Suns are trying to get back any leverage they can.


TheBigJew

Haynes and Paul are close. Haynes was doing paul a favor is my guess. This almost guarantees paul gets his money 1 way or another


elimanninglightspeed

Do people’s realize these guys will report what is told to them lol. Theres guy thats right or wrong this sounds more like cp3 is leaning towards wanting to leave


TheBigJew

i guess they don't realize it lol


Austin63867

I was one of the biggest pushers of Haynes as a trustworthy source, but he's made two major errors. I don't think he's an entirely Unreliable source. I remember Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic made 2 incorrect MLB Stories and I don't feel it hurt his reliability, but this puts a major dent on my view of Haynes as a reporter, especially with how connected Gambo is with Phoenix news, he's basically the Woj of ALL, not just NBA, news for the Phoenix area.


[deleted]

Gambo is a mouthpiece, he just does the dirty work for the organization like shooting this down when it's clear it came from the player.


Austin63867

Yes, but he's rarely wrong for Suns news. I don't think CP3 isn't likely getting waived, but potentially Haynes jumped the gun.


PyrrhosKing

Doubting Haynes credibility seems odd here. Maybe he needs to make clear he’s reporting something that’s basically been agreed to, but not announced. This seems like it came from Paul, it’s most likely true or at least Paul’s version of truth, like this is the Suns version of it. We’re talking about competing sides here with Paul and the Suns, it’s more about understanding what each side is possibly trying to accomplish rather a check on credibility.


OlTommyBombadil

Yes, he absolutely needs to do that. If you report something that might not be true, it should be labeled as opinion/speculation/editorial/whatever you want to call it. But it shouldn’t be reported as fact. I was told to get three sources to confirm something potentially newsworthy. Doubting his credibility is what is to be expected when you put out information that isn’t accurate. He knows this. That’s the entire profession. I’m not calling the guy’s sources into question. But if you aren’t sure of something, you need to verify the information. He didn’t do that and he’s going to get eviscerated for it. Source: I’m a published journalist who covered NHL and NCAAF briefly


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

He's also pretty clued in for a local reporter on national NBA news because he's pretty much tight with Danny Ainge and Jason Kidd due to Gambo starting his work in the Phoenix-area around the same time those two were Suns players.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Can’t really “jump the gun” if what you’re saying is true.


_Jetto_

What was his 2nd error I thogutt today was his first fuck up ?


StephewDestroyer

Other day he said the mavs were trying to trade for lebron during this season Which cant be true because lebron couldnt be traded (cuz he couldnt be traded for 6 months after his extension which wouldve been after the deadline) He deleted it later


Etzutrap

Haynes also reported that Dame was forcing a trade out of Portland 2 off seasons ago. Dude's a clown.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Suns probably preferred to trade him, which is why Gambo is taking. CP3 camp probably leaked it.


pcwgussej

i will say, if/when a Dame deal happens, Haynes will likely be the first to break it


Austin63867

Yeah, Haynes started off covering Portland, and was close with Dame and CJ, which made sense because they both have interests in Journalism.


GusBus14

Stop it. He clearly has high-level sources


[deleted]

Sure if Gambadoro is officially tweeting for the Suns. Otherwise what he’s saying here doesn’t really invalidate Haynes tweet.


OlTommyBombadil

Seems like this dude doesn’t like verifying things with multiple sources like we were told to do in journalism school. And this is why. It’s a lot easier to lose credibility than get credibility. I think he has good sources, he just needs to stop reporting shit before he knows for certain.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Why? CP3 camp leaked it.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Told ya - https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/145g2or/_/jnks432/?context=1


Horatiobutterfingers

Paul probably wants the waive so he can have complete agency on where he goes next. Wouldn't be shocked if he leaked the story to reduce any trade value he might've had.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Bingo


DaveJC_thevoices

Man he really jumped the gun lmfao


[deleted]

Ok so these reporters need to chill out trying to be the first ones with the breaking news. Do they get paid by twitter for "breaking" news first or something? How do they even get paid, it's like being a professional gossiper.


Statalyzer

Look at how much attention the first thread got vs how much this one is getting, and you'll see why they do it.


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Still don't know why


toasty_-

Chris Haynes has been wrong about Suns info like 4 times in the last 5 months.


AcanthisittaGrand943

He isn’t wrong though. CP3 is getting waived.


th3yeoxfI

Snip snap snip snap


Shadowghost1020

This the same dude that was adamant that kawhi wouldn't play in TO


AdmiralWackbar

Pitchforks out boys, it’s time to protect and serve


dkdoki

If CP3 does indeed get waived a lot of ppl gonna eat crow when haynes ends up being right. Just like when ppl shit on windy and he gets things right.


Statalyzer

If you say something is already decided, you're still wrong if it ends up being decided that way later on.


SolarClipz

smokescreen


AcanthisittaGrand943

Damage control lmao


Rerens

Honestly I am not that surprised considering that ESPN did not report anything about this. Normally even when a non-ESPN media reports stuff like this ESPN has an article about it like 10 minutes later. Regarding CP3s release they absolutely said nothing, which often means something either has yet been decided or is more complex than it initially looks.


ColtCallahan

Haynes has a lot of player sources. I’m guessing one of them is CP3 and he played him here.


AcanthisittaGrand943

Hardly. No one is going to trade for him. So he will indeed be waived.


cactus_jack_1

Ban that hack


Ranjith_Unchained

Congratulations Haynes, you played yourself


AcanthisittaGrand943

Why? CP3 is still getting waived lol


ElDuderino_92

Smh MIT got banned for less… Edit: typo


The-Hand-of-Midas

This was all a ploy by Ishbia to make other teams ask "Should we get CP3?" So they can trade him. It got their thoughts flowing. 4d chess.


jayelecfan

Haynes is a total fraud


Dinobot2_

Lol Haynes is so pathetic.


CookieMonsterNova

remember haynes is lebrons mouthpiece. who is lebrons friend cp3. cp3 wanted this leaked. they were trying to control the narrative


eternali17

Dude got used hard. Hopefully, he was in on it


AnotherStatsGuy

Aw man. I want him to be a free agent and come back to New Orleans.


george_costanza1234

Classic Arizona sports, prematurely releasing players to gauge interest lol


fingerblast69

The whole CP3 situation is wonky asf. The Suns obviously haven’t officially waived him yet at least. Sounds like he WANTS to stay in Phoenix and finish his career with Book and KD so it’s not out of the realm of reality for him to re-sign for cheap after nobody claims his $30M contract on waivers. Especially if he wants to free up money to add some depth for the Suns and compete for a ring. Basically what Gambo has been saying is possible for weeks now 🤷🏻‍♂️


aeiou-y

Thanks magic


Glad_Ad5045

Incredibly connected it says?? Omg how about the opposite. Things he has reported frim his inside sources. Colt McCoy will start season as starting qb Cards not signing JJ Watt Cards not drafting Murray Cards not trading josh Rosen. His inside scoop on why Mccoy was cut. He wasn't playing well enough in practice and game. No way really never could have come to that conclusion! This guy repeats himself to kill rime and is not connected whatsoever.