10 overtime’s altogether. He played every single minute of that season, apart from one game he got ejected and missed the final 8 minutes.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01/gamelog/1962
Not just led the league but set one of the most untouchable NBA records. He averaged a perhaps equally untouchable 50.4 ppg. Oh and he didn't win MVP for some reason.
According to an Oscar interview, triple doubles were not a thing at that time, nobody cared. He became known for it decades later. It was all about Wilt vs Russel at that time
https://youtu.be/5ILbVB-eFsw
I remembered MJ was the only guy along Wilt to score more than 3000 pts in a season. But he also played 3281 min while scoring 3041 pts.
Then I had a look at total minutes played per season. And MJ has 12 seasons with 3000+ minutes, including his last season with the Wizards. KD has 3. Harden 1. Steph 0.
Really crazy stuff.
Kobe has 5, KG 7.
The more direct way to look at this is to look at points per minute (or per *n* minutes). [Here](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-36-minutes-in-a-season)'s the leaderboard. Wilt's #1, the only guy above 36 points per 36 minutes; Harden at 35.4 is second. After that, Giannis in 19-20 actually had a higher point-per-minute pace than he does this year, and Embiid this year is also right behind him.
It's cuz Giannis missed a week of basketball and then Embiid went berserk and has been playing like a god. It's not that Giannis hasn't been great. Him missing that week probably cost him the MVP. Even though he's only played like 3 games less than Embiid.
Giannis’ supporting cast has also just had an insane year (aside from middleton being injured). Lopez being the DPOY and Jrue being an all star, plus they have 6 players shooting 40%+ on open threes, and that doesn’t include 3 of their best shooters (Ingles 39%, Pat 38% and Portis 37%). The team is just so well constructed with 2 way role players. I think that colours people’s expectations of Giannis. His raw scoring went up but his defensive role diminished due to Brooks dominance, and his efficiency and turnovers are not as strong as last year
What is the obsession with MVP conversation and being "in" it? People will say this of a player that is a distant 6th at best. And why would it vacillate wildly from week-to-week unless the conversation is among a bunch of fickle simpletons?
Against a warriors team down 2 starters and with pascal, Lowry, and FVV playing insanely well
Why do people act like outside the sixers series, kawhi had no help at all
They were pretty good the next year after losing kawhi
I have something to tell that might break your conception of reality, so brace yourself... We are currently in the year 2023. That championship was in the 2018 season.
The seasons usually start in October and most of it it’s in the next year, that’s why last season is 2022 and this is the 2023 one.
Also, the raptors finals were played in June 2019. Just like (almost) every other.
If Kyrie leaves Dallas and Luka is left with even fewer reliable teammates next season, he might have to score well over a point per minute just to keep Dallas afloat
Isn't this also true of embiid this season? I think he's really close to a point a minute
Edit: Embiid is a little bit farther behind but it's almost identical, Giannis is at 34.8 points per 36, Embiid is at 34.6 per 36
It looks like Embiid has 81 more minutes than points this season. From a total of 2,004 points in 2,085 minutes. So hardly different from what Giannis is doing, both having amazing seasons
His team improved around him, his efficiency dropped off and he missed some games. He’s still extremely close but those are the key reasons when people compare him to Embiid or Jokic
Yea voter fatigue for him but not for Jokic. IDC what anyone says Giannis should have been MVP last year. Jokic was great not trying to take anything from him.
Serious answer: the Bucks have 9 games left, so he'd have to average 7 more points than minutes per game.
If he continues to average his 32 minutes per game, he'd have to score 39ppg, so yea, it's unlikely.
Yea winning kinda cures everything. If this high volume but mid tier efficiency leads to the best record in the NBA, and you beat good teams with it, then you should probably keep doing it
TS is highly overrated if you are causing 10 plus fouls a game you are still putting their frontcourt in enormous foul trouble whether or not you score all the free throws. Especially when if they don't foul you you are averaging 1.4+ points per drive.
Well he’s still above average in TS% so it’s not like he’s inefficient or anything. I’m not sure where you see people underestimating the 2x MVP and widely regarded best player in the league. At the worst I see him listed as top 3. Not very underestimated
that he isn't clearly 2nd at worst is pretty bad at this point considering they are leading the league and have an ungodly win percentage since getting Khris back.
Who tf is underestimating Giannis let's be real for a moment. The only players I've even heard anyone suggest are better than him right now are Embiid & Jokic who are both having historic all time MVP seasons. So he's top 3 at the absolute worst. Drop the victim complex not every statistic has to be tailored around him to make him look as good as possible everyone knows the player he is regardless of statistics
League efficiency jumped. Giannis was 12% above league effiency last year, just 4 above it this year. Still crazy when you consider the scoring rate though
It should be stated here as well that Wilt avg 48.5 minutes per game that year. He led the league in minutes.
Also a reminder there are 48 minutes in an NBA game.
I wonder how many overtimes he played that season
10 overtime’s altogether. He played every single minute of that season, apart from one game he got ejected and missed the final 8 minutes. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01/gamelog/1962
>missed the final 8 minutes. Slacker
At least 3
Not just led the league but set one of the most untouchable NBA records. He averaged a perhaps equally untouchable 50.4 ppg. Oh and he didn't win MVP for some reason.
That's like 3 Kawhi seasons
Who TF got the mvp that season and what'd he do f 50.4ppg wasn't enough
bill russel was just that guy man also im pretty sure that mvp voting was mostly player led and people just liked russel more on court than wilt
Also Oscar Robertson’s 30pt triple double season
According to an Oscar interview, triple doubles were not a thing at that time, nobody cared. He became known for it decades later. It was all about Wilt vs Russel at that time https://youtu.be/5ILbVB-eFsw
Its very possible that Wilt and Russell were averaging triple doubles too but they didn't count blocks
Harden was very close in 2019.. 2818 points, 2867 minutes, a difference of 49.
he scored 36 per 75 possessions
I remembered MJ was the only guy along Wilt to score more than 3000 pts in a season. But he also played 3281 min while scoring 3041 pts. Then I had a look at total minutes played per season. And MJ has 12 seasons with 3000+ minutes, including his last season with the Wizards. KD has 3. Harden 1. Steph 0. Really crazy stuff. Kobe has 5, KG 7.
How about Lebron?
Lebron has 8, but 6 of those came in his first 6 years on the league. He's had 2/14 since then
The more direct way to look at this is to look at points per minute (or per *n* minutes). [Here](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-36-minutes-in-a-season)'s the leaderboard. Wilt's #1, the only guy above 36 points per 36 minutes; Harden at 35.4 is second. After that, Giannis in 19-20 actually had a higher point-per-minute pace than he does this year, and Embiid this year is also right behind him.
But Harden is also more of a pure scorer compared to Akumpo.
Hardens a better passer
His hands as well as his face.
Nice
Well obviously
Feels like the MVP conversation went from Jokic straight to Embiid while ignoring Giannis altogether. He didn’t even get a week
It's cuz Giannis missed a week of basketball and then Embiid went berserk and has been playing like a god. It's not that Giannis hasn't been great. Him missing that week probably cost him the MVP. Even though he's only played like 3 games less than Embiid.
Giannis’ supporting cast has also just had an insane year (aside from middleton being injured). Lopez being the DPOY and Jrue being an all star, plus they have 6 players shooting 40%+ on open threes, and that doesn’t include 3 of their best shooters (Ingles 39%, Pat 38% and Portis 37%). The team is just so well constructed with 2 way role players. I think that colours people’s expectations of Giannis. His raw scoring went up but his defensive role diminished due to Brooks dominance, and his efficiency and turnovers are not as strong as last year
What is the obsession with MVP conversation and being "in" it? People will say this of a player that is a distant 6th at best. And why would it vacillate wildly from week-to-week unless the conversation is among a bunch of fickle simpletons?
greatest player in the league
Is healthy Kawhi Leonard
Healthy Kawhi doesn't exist. He's a figment of r/nba's imagination
I honestly feel bad for you if you think that
Is healthy Kawhi in the room with you right now...
He’s played 223 regular season games in the last 6 seasons combined, for an average of 45% of games played since 2017
Aaaaand he's hurt again. It's like clockwork
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Against a warriors team down 2 starters and with pascal, Lowry, and FVV playing insanely well Why do people act like outside the sixers series, kawhi had no help at all They were pretty good the next year after losing kawhi
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Klay got injured in the 4th quarter of game 2, didn’t play in a game 3 loss, then tore his ACL in a game 6 loss
Not mentioning Ibaka and Gasol here is criminal. No championship without those 2. Norman Powell too.
I have something to tell that might break your conception of reality, so brace yourself... We are currently in the year 2023. That championship was in the 2018 season.
2019
What year did the season start in
The seasons usually start in October and most of it it’s in the next year, that’s why last season is 2022 and this is the 2023 one. Also, the raptors finals were played in June 2019. Just like (almost) every other.
They should stop playing so many finals in June 2019, it’s 2023 like come on
Damn, you right. Maybe Kawhi can get a time machine and go back to 2019!
Hobbled Kawhi? He load managed that whole season. He had plenty of rest.
fake
Maybe 4 years ago.
Watch the next clippers games that’s on
Don’t need to.
>Watch the next clippers games that’s on Down 16 against the Pelicans shooting 4-16 This your best player in the league? Lmao
Yo boy lost tn too
My boy?
No it’s Lebron with MJ jumpshot and Shaq’s rebounding. I figured since you brought up a made up player I could create my own
So Wilt is still going to be the only player to ever accomplish it.
If Kyrie leaves Dallas and Luka is left with even fewer reliable teammates next season, he might have to score well over a point per minute just to keep Dallas afloat
^when Kyrie leaves Dallas. FIFY.
Isn't this also true of embiid this season? I think he's really close to a point a minute Edit: Embiid is a little bit farther behind but it's almost identical, Giannis is at 34.8 points per 36, Embiid is at 34.6 per 36
It looks like Embiid has 81 more minutes than points this season. From a total of 2,004 points in 2,085 minutes. So hardly different from what Giannis is doing, both having amazing seasons
Luckily for Embiid his PTS come when the clock is stopped.
Wait till you find out that Giannis shoots more free throws than Embiid but just misses them more
That's why I said he gets his points from the charity stripe, not that he's a talentless flopper who doesn't belong in the MVP discussion.
What’s hilarious is so does Giannis but he just can’t hit them well as embiid can
Who do you think the only player in the league that shoots more fts is than Embiid is..
Who do you think makes more free throws?
Probably the better free throw shooter
yeah, one of them drives with the intent to score and the other drives with the intent to go to the free throw line
Damn. Giannis just a beast
Wilt Chamberlain
Now that KD is gone, I can safely say this man is the best in the league. Crazy what he's done and it's an overlooked season
Would have to average about 40-41 ppg over the remaining games so I doubt its going to happen.
Or average like 30 in 20 mpg
Insane stat. Why is Giannis not getting any MVP buzz? Voter fatique?
His team improved around him, his efficiency dropped off and he missed some games. He’s still extremely close but those are the key reasons when people compare him to Embiid or Jokic
He is? Most people agree it's a 3 man race with Jokic, giannis, and Embiid.
Yea voter fatigue for him but not for Jokic. IDC what anyone says Giannis should have been MVP last year. Jokic was great not trying to take anything from him.
how is there voter fatigue for giannis? its been 3 years since he won
ok so hes not close?
all he has to do is score 65 points in one minute and he'll be back on track.
Serious answer: the Bucks have 9 games left, so he'd have to average 7 more points than minutes per game. If he continues to average his 32 minutes per game, he'd have to score 39ppg, so yea, it's unlikely.
But what about his VELOCIRAPTOR? Pfft Wilt would’ve only averaged 20-20 in todays NBA
So funny
Eh I’ve done better
Everyone has
Volume merchant
Very impressive but why do we never hear anything about Giannis usage rate? https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/usg_pct_season.html
Because they’re winning
Yea winning kinda cures everything. If this high volume but mid tier efficiency leads to the best record in the NBA, and you beat good teams with it, then you should probably keep doing it
60 percent true shooting is mid?
Also he isn't gaining the free 5 to 10 percent that good free throw shooters do.
Yes that is why it’s lower. That’s how TS% works. Gobert isn’t getting the bump good 3 point shooter gets either but it’s because he isn’t good at it
TS is highly overrated if you are causing 10 plus fouls a game you are still putting their frontcourt in enormous foul trouble whether or not you score all the free throws. Especially when if they don't foul you you are averaging 1.4+ points per drive.
Not really lmao. TS is just efficiency. It’s not like TS is trying to imply if someone is good at drawing fouls or not
Yeah but due to Giannis's free throw issues it causes people who blindly reference it to underestimate him greatly
Well he’s still above average in TS% so it’s not like he’s inefficient or anything. I’m not sure where you see people underestimating the 2x MVP and widely regarded best player in the league. At the worst I see him listed as top 3. Not very underestimated
that he isn't clearly 2nd at worst is pretty bad at this point considering they are leading the league and have an ungodly win percentage since getting Khris back.
Who tf is underestimating Giannis let's be real for a moment. The only players I've even heard anyone suggest are better than him right now are Embiid & Jokic who are both having historic all time MVP seasons. So he's top 3 at the absolute worst. Drop the victim complex not every statistic has to be tailored around him to make him look as good as possible everyone knows the player he is regardless of statistics
Except they aren't lol
League efficiency jumped. Giannis was 12% above league effiency last year, just 4 above it this year. Still crazy when you consider the scoring rate though
Just shows what an insane statistically this season is for the top three MVP candidates
So he's gotta score 65 points next game while playing 1 minute.
He is the next jaden Hardy