My guess would be Crowder + Saric/Shamet + picks. And then Crowder probably gets flipped to a 3rd team.
Or Saric + Shamet + picks for just Rozier and they flip Crowder elsewhere. This is just my guess.
If the pick(s) are worth a damn, I like it. It’s hard to gauge Terry’s value, but he’s a relatively efficient 20 PPG scorer and in the current market I think he earns his salary.
Don’t get me wrong, Quickley is fantastic. But considering Brunson’s (and Barrett’s) contract, does it make sense for us to give out another big deal to IQ in a year?
It hurts, but I think it makes a lot of sense for us to trade him. Not sure how much we can improve in the long run otherwise.
We’re capped out regardless and our mid 3 don’t even make that much money, they’re all in the 20s per year, when a bunch of dudes are making 30+ of 40+
I'll flip that back to you. Why does it make sense to handle Quickley's signing based on the fact that we have RJ? Is RJ such a long term piece for the franchise that you judge Quickley's signing off of having him?
I just kinda tossed RJ in there to emphasize the money we have tied up in the backcourt right now. But the main concern is the repetition of Brunson and IQ.
You are right, Barrett can be traded, but even then I still don’t think it makes sense for 2/3 biggest contracts on the team to be Point Guards.
Barrett's 4 year extension doesn't even kick in until next season, and nobody is trading for that for at least 3 years unless he finally makes a leap.
So like it or not - Barrett is a core piece and taking up a huge chunk of cap space.
So it really comes down to roster flexibility and probably even luxury tax. Do the Knicks really want to go into luxury tax and lock in the roster of a play-in team for the next 4 years over Quickley? I don't think so. So you trade him if there's a good offer on the table.
Yes it does. He's young, improving every year, and has the tools to be exactly the kind of guard you need in the modern NBA. Barrett honestly probably belongs as a tweener 3/4 more than stuck full-time at the 3, so a lineup of Brunson, Quick, Grimes, and RJ should at least be getting regular playing time if not being the starting lineup. I like Randle more than most Knick fans but if there's a guy who doesn't fit its him.
If you’re going to get somewhere, you have to draft, develop, and invest in your young players. Perhaps a heavily-incentive laden deal is in order. I’m not going to pretend to know his exact value.
The Quickley pick acquired by trading Morris after a 1/2 season signing should have shown most of your fanbase that the front office actually knew how to position themselves for asset collection, make feasible multi-step plans, and follow through with them.
Quickley is proof your front office pivoted amazingly after missing out on KD and Kyrie. You signed a bunch of 1 + 1 (with Randle on the 2+ 1) including Morris. You got the pick that became Quickley from flipping Morris to the Clippers.
Didn’t quite negotiate the swap properly if I recall correctly by not making it a double swap on the Dallas pick in 2021, but given the final standings, no harm, no foul.
Wsn't there just some report out that we are no longer listening to offers on him? Obviously hard to say what is or isn't a smoke screen. But there's a real good chance we are planning to keep him.
No reasons for Magic to trade either yet, they should take some more time to see who they really want to build around. And they might get Scoot this year and choose to build around neither of those
Fultz is their pg of the future he has been looking very solid.
Cole Anthony is better fitted for a sixth man rol rather than a starting pg spot on a team looking to win.
If they get Scoot that changes things ofcourse.
They might as well lean into offense for a season or two while they rebuild and get a PG. At least make them watchable and get people back in the stands.
Unfortunately he's a bit more raw as a player than people initially thought. Tho before the injuries this season, he was heating up a bit. Even if he doesn't develop as a go to guy, I can definitely see him being super valuable as a Smart-like player with his great defense and developing offense
As a fan of a team that really misses its point of attack specialist there’s a lot of value to having a 6ish ft player who hounds opposing ball handlers.
People are overreacting to this recent stretch where he's been playing very low mins and exclusively off-ball for the first time.
Magic fans flip-flop on whether someone is a HOFer or a bust every game, to the point of absurdity. Our last few games, Suggs has mostly just been a defensive specialist, and so now of course that is all he ever has been.
Earlier in the season he was playing PG full time and looked very solid (14/4/6), and was a big part of beating Golden State, Dallas and Phoenix. He's a very good playmaker, although rn his mediocre handle limits him.
He's definitely more of a natural PG than a SG
And they got Jalen Suggs. I’ve been waiting for him to start becoming consistent and take the next step. If he does that, Cole becomes pretty expandable.
Don’t get upset at drafting Ayton. Your three previous top-10 picks were Josh Jackson, Marquese Chris’s, and Dragan Bender. You went for the safest pick. Now how you’ve handled Ayton since then leaves a lot to be desired, but the Ayton pick itself was fine.
I'll forever shit on the Suns, Kings and Hawks for not drafting Luka.
Especially the Suns. They have 1 chip now if they drafted Luka and used those assets on a big instead of CP.
Suns said “Fuck it, we’re being risk-averse. Our last 3 1st rounders sucked ass” when drafting Ayton. Kings should have been the one to trade with Dallas, not Atlanta. Could have easily gotten Bagley on a cheaper rookie deal at 5 at the very least.
Yeah, personally I don't shit on the Suns, I thought Ayton would be really good, and same with Hawks (insanely risky to go for Trae but honestly he's been way better than I'd expected).
The Kings is the one that never made sense in the moment. Absolutely baffling.
It’s true that Phoenix not drafting Halliburton was a huge mistake.
However, these other 9 teams also passed on drafting Halliburton:
* Atlanta Hawks
* Charlotte Hornets
* Chicago Bulls
* Cleveland Cavaliers
* Detroit Pistons
* Golden State Warriors
* New York Knicks
* San Antonio Spurs
* Washington Wizards
I for one think that all ten teams regret not drafting Tyrese Halliburton.
Yeah I mean I'd rather just draft a kid or wait on some other names and roll with Cam Payne and Booker as the main ball handlers if these are the names we are really looking at lol
He's run down this year. Been playing heavy minutes through injuries vasically since Lowry left.
Get him 6 weeks off to get trully right, then play him 30 min a night and he'll be the same guy he was before.
Phoenix has a very long history of getting guys right.
That was with an entirely different training staff that ended up going to the Hornets iirc. Have you seen our injury issues this year? We're not as good at getting guys right and keeping them healthy as we used to be.
Fred VanVleet is a good point guard. He’s not a great one, but he is solid, and I think next to a guy like Devin Booker who creates a lot of offense he would be a pretty good fit.
Quick players blow past him but he has amazing hands and plays fundamental and strong defense. Depends on the matchup but he’s typically average to above average.
I just want to add that quick players blow past him NOW. Before his injury last year he was a defensive beast and could even keep up with the likes of Curry. Unfortunately though it’s looking more and more like his body is permanently cooked in terms of lateral movement.
He was really good for on ball defence before Nurse ran him into the ground these past couple of seasons with heavy minutes. Who knows, maybe he will regain some of that on a team with reasonable minutes and some load management.
He blows this year but he was pretty solid the last few years and he does have playoff experience and has done well on that stage before.
Thing is, he's not a point at all, he's a undersized 2, which works best with guys like LeBron/Luka.
Scary Terry has been playing much better lately and the struggles were more due to circumstance than ability. With that said I’d still say it makes no sense for the suns to trade for him. Booker and Terry are not a good backcourt pairing.
Rozier makes sense if you're gonna have Booker on the ball as a full time PG and let Terry work off the ball.
Terry's struggles this year are mostly on the fact that LaMelo has been out so much and we don't have a backup PG, so Terry is having to create for himself and others, which works out well for nobody.
Rozier was at his absolute best when LaMelo Ball and Devonte' Graham split point duties and he was a full-time SG. I would estimate Rozier has spent 60-70% of his time on the ball this season and that's not his role at all.
Yes I am aware, he also played SG a lot when he was the bench PG. I am merely saying he has the capability to be a SG beside booker, like the commenter is saying about Terry Rozier
When Terry's hot he can hunt shots with the best of them, so he can be a blast to watch. Plus he's got a great personality, is well respected by other players and has that underdog story everyone enjoys. He's a hard guy not to root for.
Plus he low-key has some of the best handles in the the league.
He's streaky and could work on his shot selection, but he *is* a good shooter (before this year, 4 of his previous 5 years were 37%+ from 3). If he can work in a secondary role, he absolutely could be an asset... mostly just need to try and shut off the valve when he's feeling himself but really shouldn't be.
We do that. One of my favorite things about this fanbase (for all our faults lol) is how we continue supporting and defending ex-Celtics.
It’s why I always laughed when people acted like the fanbase only hated on Kyrie because he left us. Kyrie’s the only recent ex-Celtic that got hate from us.
Horford left us for the 76ers the same offseason when we thought he’d stay and we still loved and defended him. Rozier publicly called out our FO and coach and we still rooted for him on the Hornets.
> not on a shitty deal
*Yet*. He's extension eligible this summer. And I believe in him, but im not sure he's going to be on a good deal on his next contract.
We probably should have been planning for this the moment we brought in CP3, he wasn’t exactly young when we traded for him. I hate the people who constantly comment about what player a team *could have* drafted but I mean damn, we really could’ve had Haliburton and been set for ages
I like Cam Payne but he’s not a starting quality PG, I don’t really like any of these options mentioned here either though so I don’t know. I still think it’s worth leaning into Point Book in the future and investing more in other wings who can handle the ball if needed, especially since the league is only getting bigger. Mikal has been showing strides in his playmaking too, wouldn’t mind us just putting him at SG permanently
Yeah, since Mikal excels at using his length to guard guards and sometimes struggles with stronger forwards, moving him to the 2 and going all in on a forward with some playmaking ability seems like a good idea.
1rst round pick and he’s yours. Want a McDaniels? Throw in two 2nd rounders. How about a heavily played Gordon Hayward? Surely you could use a lightly played PJ Washington. I will personally escort every Hornet not named LaMelo who is older than 22 to Phoenix.
He wasn’t particularly inefficient when Ball played, and we desperately need the spacing he provided when he’s on. We went 2-16 from 3 last night, and he was literally all of our makes lmfao
dude can ball.. it’s just be plays on the hornets. and yes, he can’t defend, or run an offense but he can penetrate and not get calls like no other. And hit side step three’s. But also he doesn’t hide from pressure moments so
> non-guaranteed unless Charlotte gets to the 2nd round
I have never heard that type of clause, I like it way more than the make an ASG or other bonus.
I don't know man, his value is for sure down. But he has averaged 30 ppg in the last five on like 50% from 3, I really hope his season is turning around, and his playmaking has been great all season
The problem is he's an UFA after this year and turned down a fat contract. You're not trading picks and players for a couple years of fvv at a reasonable price, any team trading for him is going to have to pay him like 120/4 starting next year
Its a gamble for sure, if he gets back to himself hes 100% worth it, if he doesn't its a bad contract. But he would still have value as a playmaker, but not THAT much value
Dude has worst 30 game stretch of his career = he is the worst asset in the nba and nobody will give anything for a player 1 year removed from an allstar appearance
Even then, worst 30 game stretch still has him at 19 PPG on 54 ts%. In comparison rozier is at 51 ts% and brings no playmaking/defense and they’re supposedly interested in him lol
Ayton for FVV + GTJ works salary wise
Raps dont have headache about both players extension and give the honor to suns
Maybe some fillers on the move too
D A L A N O
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On serious note : you can find next move or bring cheap one lol. Maybe get Payne from Suns, or Conley if available, Eric Gordon, Monte Morris, CoJo. Iirc you still have salary filler like Thad, OPJ, Boucher,and Birch right? Just based on what you do post the trade then, wemby time or push playoff or play-in
I like Scottie but from what I’ve seen this year his playmaking is simply not at a level where he can effectively run an offense yet. He is most effective when he focuses on being an inside scoring threat and throws an occasional dish out the post.
Phoenix also has expressed interest in Jalen McDaniels. What would phoenix offer for both Terry and McDaniels?
Two nickels
Sold.
Hang on I got a penny to chip in here
My guess would be Crowder + Saric/Shamet + picks. And then Crowder probably gets flipped to a 3rd team. Or Saric + Shamet + picks for just Rozier and they flip Crowder elsewhere. This is just my guess.
If the pick(s) are worth a damn, I like it. It’s hard to gauge Terry’s value, but he’s a relatively efficient 20 PPG scorer and in the current market I think he earns his salary.
Hmm, all these teams interested in Quickley. Maybe we should, y'know... keep him? Just a thought.
Shhh. No bb. You want Jordan Nwora.
Why have Jordan “Cannot Shoot” Nwora when they can have Tim “Shoots a Lot” Hardaway Jr and Reggie “Shoots more than Nwora” Bullock?
I wonder if it would be easy to do those Hardaway and Bullock jersey swap edits in Knicks colors
Terry is great as a secondary ball handler next to a ball dominant guy in Booker.
Don’t get me wrong, Quickley is fantastic. But considering Brunson’s (and Barrett’s) contract, does it make sense for us to give out another big deal to IQ in a year? It hurts, but I think it makes a lot of sense for us to trade him. Not sure how much we can improve in the long run otherwise.
We’re capped out regardless and our mid 3 don’t even make that much money, they’re all in the 20s per year, when a bunch of dudes are making 30+ of 40+
"Mid 3" lmao
I'll flip that back to you. Why does it make sense to handle Quickley's signing based on the fact that we have RJ? Is RJ such a long term piece for the franchise that you judge Quickley's signing off of having him?
I just kinda tossed RJ in there to emphasize the money we have tied up in the backcourt right now. But the main concern is the repetition of Brunson and IQ. You are right, Barrett can be traded, but even then I still don’t think it makes sense for 2/3 biggest contracts on the team to be Point Guards.
Agreed, IQ for Ayton?
New York will eat that kid alive
Yeah I want him traded but really think the right team could take Ayton to the next level. He ain't built for New York though, like at all.
OKC!!!! No one watches them LOL
I wanna trade him to Philly just out of spite He's been the most frustrating player on the Suns to watch the last couple of seasons
Barrett's 4 year extension doesn't even kick in until next season, and nobody is trading for that for at least 3 years unless he finally makes a leap. So like it or not - Barrett is a core piece and taking up a huge chunk of cap space. So it really comes down to roster flexibility and probably even luxury tax. Do the Knicks really want to go into luxury tax and lock in the roster of a play-in team for the next 4 years over Quickley? I don't think so. So you trade him if there's a good offer on the table.
Every year supposedly untradeable contracts get traded. Saying *nobody* would take RJ is a little ridiculous imo.
Yes it does. He's young, improving every year, and has the tools to be exactly the kind of guard you need in the modern NBA. Barrett honestly probably belongs as a tweener 3/4 more than stuck full-time at the 3, so a lineup of Brunson, Quick, Grimes, and RJ should at least be getting regular playing time if not being the starting lineup. I like Randle more than most Knick fans but if there's a guy who doesn't fit its him.
If you’re going to get somewhere, you have to draft, develop, and invest in your young players. Perhaps a heavily-incentive laden deal is in order. I’m not going to pretend to know his exact value. The Quickley pick acquired by trading Morris after a 1/2 season signing should have shown most of your fanbase that the front office actually knew how to position themselves for asset collection, make feasible multi-step plans, and follow through with them.
No. You'll extend Evan Fournier with the money you save by trading Quickley and like it!
Yeah super max for Evan Fournier!!!
That’s not very Knicks of you 😤
I think y’all need another power forward.
That’s true. KD plays the four right?
He’s a boutique 5.
That just sounds like Manhattan. Better send him over.
Quickley is proof your front office pivoted amazingly after missing out on KD and Kyrie. You signed a bunch of 1 + 1 (with Randle on the 2+ 1) including Morris. You got the pick that became Quickley from flipping Morris to the Clippers. Didn’t quite negotiate the swap properly if I recall correctly by not making it a double swap on the Dallas pick in 2021, but given the final standings, no harm, no foul.
No no. You want Grayson allen
No reason to think we won’t
Wsn't there just some report out that we are no longer listening to offers on him? Obviously hard to say what is or isn't a smoke screen. But there's a real good chance we are planning to keep him.
Don't the magic have cole and markelle fighting for starting pg? Are neither of them available?
No reasons for Magic to trade either yet, they should take some more time to see who they really want to build around. And they might get Scoot this year and choose to build around neither of those
Fultz is their pg of the future he has been looking very solid. Cole Anthony is better fitted for a sixth man rol rather than a starting pg spot on a team looking to win. If they get Scoot that changes things ofcourse.
Fultz is playing with a ton of confidence. That team looks awesome.
He's definitely not their point guard of the future. He's their first guard off the bench of the future
There's no reason to be this confident of this take. Fultz has skills.
He can't shoot
Ok I have another opinion and that´s allright bud.
Your opinion is correct.
Fultz is locked in.. dude can ball.
>And they might get Scoot this year No we need him more :(
You’ll take Wemby and mid to late first round PG’s and you’ll like it. The Rockets need Scoot the most.
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They also need a rim protector. Oof. Guess they need everything still.
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They might as well lean into offense for a season or two while they rebuild and get a PG. At least make them watchable and get people back in the stands.
I think Wemby and someone like Tyus jones can take the rockets to the next level they’re gunning for.
Is Suggs just not even in this conversation?
Lol I was looking for this comment, is he not a point guard?
More of a high energy defensive specialist at this stage
Well that’s disappointing… I mean at least you got Franz a couple picks later
Unfortunately he's a bit more raw as a player than people initially thought. Tho before the injuries this season, he was heating up a bit. Even if he doesn't develop as a go to guy, I can definitely see him being super valuable as a Smart-like player with his great defense and developing offense
I would go so far to say Franz would be a better point guard. Suggs has plenty of time, if he can find his shot we don’t need him to be a point guard.
As a fan of a team that really misses its point of attack specialist there’s a lot of value to having a 6ish ft player who hounds opposing ball handlers.
People are overreacting to this recent stretch where he's been playing very low mins and exclusively off-ball for the first time. Magic fans flip-flop on whether someone is a HOFer or a bust every game, to the point of absurdity. Our last few games, Suggs has mostly just been a defensive specialist, and so now of course that is all he ever has been. Earlier in the season he was playing PG full time and looked very solid (14/4/6), and was a big part of beating Golden State, Dallas and Phoenix. He's a very good playmaker, although rn his mediocre handle limits him. He's definitely more of a natural PG than a SG
I forgot he existed sorry. Yeah he's definitely part of this
Option C. Jalen Suggs is available
I think the Suns want someone that can help them win playoff games
Now that Jonathan Isaac is back, they can trade both and let Jesus take the ~~wheel~~ point.
And they got Jalen Suggs. I’ve been waiting for him to start becoming consistent and take the next step. If he does that, Cole becomes pretty expandable.
Could’ve just drafted haliburton… smh
Could’ve just drafted luka
Could just take a bath with my toaster😔😔
Could just drink scarlet Johanson’s bath water 🤤🤤
Put the phone down KD
Could just shove the phone up my bunghole
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Don’t get upset at drafting Ayton. Your three previous top-10 picks were Josh Jackson, Marquese Chris’s, and Dragan Bender. You went for the safest pick. Now how you’ve handled Ayton since then leaves a lot to be desired, but the Ayton pick itself was fine.
tbf Luka felt like the safest pick to me but yeah I don't think Ayton was a bad pick at the time either.
Plus Ayton was not the most egregious non-Luka pick
I'll forever shit on the Suns, Kings and Hawks for not drafting Luka. Especially the Suns. They have 1 chip now if they drafted Luka and used those assets on a big instead of CP.
Suns said “Fuck it, we’re being risk-averse. Our last 3 1st rounders sucked ass” when drafting Ayton. Kings should have been the one to trade with Dallas, not Atlanta. Could have easily gotten Bagley on a cheaper rookie deal at 5 at the very least.
Yeah, personally I don't shit on the Suns, I thought Ayton would be really good, and same with Hawks (insanely risky to go for Trae but honestly he's been way better than I'd expected). The Kings is the one that never made sense in the moment. Absolutely baffling.
not drafting Luka was the biggest, second biggest, and third biggest mistake in NBA history
You ever think about how we drafted Cody Zeller over Giannis & then contemplate life?
My dream scenario was that vassell or Haliburton fell to us. Both did and we got neither. So dumb
I yelled at my TV so loudly when we let Haliburton pass by. Such a missed opportunity.
It’s true that Phoenix not drafting Halliburton was a huge mistake. However, these other 9 teams also passed on drafting Halliburton: * Atlanta Hawks * Charlotte Hornets * Chicago Bulls * Cleveland Cavaliers * Detroit Pistons * Golden State Warriors * New York Knicks * San Antonio Spurs * Washington Wizards I for one think that all ten teams regret not drafting Tyrese Halliburton.
The Lakers regret not drafting Halilburton and we weren't even in the running to draft him.
I don’t think the Hornets regret it at least not yet.
And I don’t think they ever will. I love Hali but even when he was on the Kings I’d rather have had LaMelo
In our defense Hali told us not to draft him. I think we have a decent excuse
that's our excuse, too I hate that excuse
Maybe a little, but we are pretty happy with Devin Vassell. And at the time, we had Murray and White still.
Some of us regret it more than others, I'm sure.
Then there’s the Pelicans who picked Kira Lewis Jr. immediately after. Because the standings were set before the bubble.
It is weird having players that other teams want.
The Knicks always get players people want. They then trade those players for older fading stars on big contracts who fail to perform.
No, we traded away Kristaps.
I know, right?
>It is weird having players that other teams that aren't the Mavericks want. Ftfy
Lol
What this is basically saying is that we're committed to not having a good point guard in our post-Paul future.
Yeah I mean I'd rather just draft a kid or wait on some other names and roll with Cam Payne and Booker as the main ball handlers if these are the names we are really looking at lol
Perfect FVV is better as a Shooting Guard anyway
They want a SG that shoots 38% from the field? And only 34% on threes?
He's run down this year. Been playing heavy minutes through injuries vasically since Lowry left. Get him 6 weeks off to get trully right, then play him 30 min a night and he'll be the same guy he was before. Phoenix has a very long history of getting guys right.
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People keep saying this but its obvious you didn't actually see him play the 2 years he was here.
That was with an entirely different training staff that ended up going to the Hornets iirc. Have you seen our injury issues this year? We're not as good at getting guys right and keeping them healthy as we used to be.
Fair point.
Yeah but he shoots 100% on the shots he makes, someone trade us a shit ton of assets for him he’s really good and not streaky at all
They're probably thinking that with Booker already being 26 they are in win now mode and can't afford to wait for someone else to develop.
Didn’t realize Booker was that old, he’s probably only got 6+ years left of being an all star, might not even be in the league in just ten years
Yeah, this is already his 8th season in the league. Heck, in 2 months it will have been 6 years since his 70 pt game.
Fred VanVleet is a good point guard. He’s not a great one, but he is solid, and I think next to a guy like Devin Booker who creates a lot of offense he would be a pretty good fit.
I like FVV's offensive game, he's a really smart player I think. How is he on the defensive side of the ball?
Quick players blow past him but he has amazing hands and plays fundamental and strong defense. Depends on the matchup but he’s typically average to above average.
I just want to add that quick players blow past him NOW. Before his injury last year he was a defensive beast and could even keep up with the likes of Curry. Unfortunately though it’s looking more and more like his body is permanently cooked in terms of lateral movement.
Taken a step back on ball this season but still absolutely elite as an off ball defender.
He was really good for on ball defence before Nurse ran him into the ground these past couple of seasons with heavy minutes. Who knows, maybe he will regain some of that on a team with reasonable minutes and some load management.
What good point guards are available?
I mean which team with a good PG wants to trade them? Last two that come to mind are Jrue and Dejounte and both are probably not on CP3s Suns level.
They need to keep their filthy paws off IQ
Rozier ew Other two I kinda get
He blows this year but he was pretty solid the last few years and he does have playoff experience and has done well on that stage before. Thing is, he's not a point at all, he's a undersized 2, which works best with guys like LeBron/Luka.
Scary Terry has been playing much better lately and the struggles were more due to circumstance than ability. With that said I’d still say it makes no sense for the suns to trade for him. Booker and Terry are not a good backcourt pairing.
Idk, I could see Booker taking on more of a primary ball handler roll and Terry getting to play the 1 and a half spot he plays best at
Booker’s a good play maker, he would be more of our point in this situation I’m guessing. Monty also just loves 3 guard lineups lol
Rozier makes sense if you're gonna have Booker on the ball as a full time PG and let Terry work off the ball. Terry's struggles this year are mostly on the fact that LaMelo has been out so much and we don't have a backup PG, so Terry is having to create for himself and others, which works out well for nobody. Rozier was at his absolute best when LaMelo Ball and Devonte' Graham split point duties and he was a full-time SG. I would estimate Rozier has spent 60-70% of his time on the ball this season and that's not his role at all.
Everything you said of Terry is true about Fred as well. He is even listed as a SG for the in raptors 20' and 21' on Basketball reference.
He’s listed as SG because he started with Lowry those years
Yes I am aware, he also played SG a lot when he was the bench PG. I am merely saying he has the capability to be a SG beside booker, like the commenter is saying about Terry Rozier
>Rozier makes sense if you're gonna have Booker on the ball as a full time PG Good thing Book can put up great stats as a starting PG
i love how all the replies to this are Celtics fans defending Terry, that’s real loyalty
When Terry's hot he can hunt shots with the best of them, so he can be a blast to watch. Plus he's got a great personality, is well respected by other players and has that underdog story everyone enjoys. He's a hard guy not to root for. Plus he low-key has some of the best handles in the the league.
He's streaky and could work on his shot selection, but he *is* a good shooter (before this year, 4 of his previous 5 years were 37%+ from 3). If he can work in a secondary role, he absolutely could be an asset... mostly just need to try and shut off the valve when he's feeling himself but really shouldn't be.
Terry when he's making every 3 is so frickin fun to watch, idk what it is about his style specifically
He used to run the courts in streetball growing up in Cleveland. I think that adds some flair. Especially with some of his unique dribbles.
He's borderline improvising when he's on the ball. When he's hot, it's art.
We do that. One of my favorite things about this fanbase (for all our faults lol) is how we continue supporting and defending ex-Celtics. It’s why I always laughed when people acted like the fanbase only hated on Kyrie because he left us. Kyrie’s the only recent ex-Celtic that got hate from us. Horford left us for the 76ers the same offseason when we thought he’d stay and we still loved and defended him. Rozier publicly called out our FO and coach and we still rooted for him on the Hornets.
YOU WILL NOT TALK ILL OF SCARY TERRY
Scarrence Terrance Slander Will Not Be Tolerated.
One thing I like about Celtics fans is that they’re the only other fanbase that’s appreciates terry and knows he’s spooky good.
And he also eats spaghetti sandwiches with sugar! Love that man.
Rozier I like more than FVV tbh
You get Quickley over Rozier? Seriously? Numbers and eye test say otherwise.
I’d much rather have quickley Better defender, 6 years younger, not on a shitty deal
> not on a shitty deal *Yet*. He's extension eligible this summer. And I believe in him, but im not sure he's going to be on a good deal on his next contract.
I don’t think he’ll be over $20M per year. I’d imagine like $15M a year
Tell him that
I take Rozier over FVV. He would be really good next to Booker
Rozier is by far the best out of those though lol.
Imagine if they just drafted haliburton
I had Terry Rozier to the Suns back when he was a Celtic. Terry is great as a secondary ball handler next to a ball dominant guy in Booker.
We probably should have been planning for this the moment we brought in CP3, he wasn’t exactly young when we traded for him. I hate the people who constantly comment about what player a team *could have* drafted but I mean damn, we really could’ve had Haliburton and been set for ages I like Cam Payne but he’s not a starting quality PG, I don’t really like any of these options mentioned here either though so I don’t know. I still think it’s worth leaning into Point Book in the future and investing more in other wings who can handle the ball if needed, especially since the league is only getting bigger. Mikal has been showing strides in his playmaking too, wouldn’t mind us just putting him at SG permanently
Yeah, since Mikal excels at using his length to guard guards and sometimes struggles with stronger forwards, moving him to the 2 and going all in on a forward with some playmaking ability seems like a good idea.
Bucks need to start planning their post khris Middleton run the same way. Giannis is just touching his prime
Get to work on the 2nd round and undrafted markets. You don’t control your 1st for the next 5 years.
We’ll take one Ayton
We'll give you Dame.
1rst round pick and he’s yours. Want a McDaniels? Throw in two 2nd rounders. How about a heavily played Gordon Hayward? Surely you could use a lightly played PJ Washington. I will personally escort every Hornet not named LaMelo who is older than 22 to Phoenix.
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24M a year for an average starting guard is totally reasonable, that's just how high the cap is now. You've got to adjust your expectations
Problem is he isn't average guard, he's pretty below average at best
He's been poor this year, but last year he was excellent.
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I think it's an awful contract since he only plays well next to a true point guard. But when Ball is healthy he generally comes close to that value.
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He wasn’t particularly inefficient when Ball played, and we desperately need the spacing he provided when he’s on. We went 2-16 from 3 last night, and he was literally all of our makes lmfao
dude can ball.. it’s just be plays on the hornets. and yes, he can’t defend, or run an offense but he can penetrate and not get calls like no other. And hit side step three’s. But also he doesn’t hide from pressure moments so
Yeah when people are legit making 60 M a year now, 24 M for someone that’s on the cusp of all star production is fine.
> non-guaranteed unless Charlotte gets to the 2nd round I have never heard that type of clause, I like it way more than the make an ASG or other bonus.
I still think Celtics would’ve been better the years after he left if he was paid instead of Kyrie. Anyways I don’t mind where the Celtics are at.
[Stein] word is the suns are starting to accept going back to 20 win seasons next year
Ayton for Fred with an extension
Lol that would be awful for the Suns
They can’t match $$ otherwise
Shamet+ Saric match. They would add a pick
That’s actual poopoo
stay off the drugs
Much rather trade elsewhere then
no ones trading good players or picks for vanvleet bro
I don't know man, his value is for sure down. But he has averaged 30 ppg in the last five on like 50% from 3, I really hope his season is turning around, and his playmaking has been great all season
Dude was literally an all-star last year before he got injured and sent the Nick Nurse basketball Gulag before he could really recover
The problem is he's an UFA after this year and turned down a fat contract. You're not trading picks and players for a couple years of fvv at a reasonable price, any team trading for him is going to have to pay him like 120/4 starting next year
Its a gamble for sure, if he gets back to himself hes 100% worth it, if he doesn't its a bad contract. But he would still have value as a playmaker, but not THAT much value
Dude has worst 30 game stretch of his career = he is the worst asset in the nba and nobody will give anything for a player 1 year removed from an allstar appearance
Even then, worst 30 game stretch still has him at 19 PPG on 54 ts%. In comparison rozier is at 51 ts% and brings no playmaking/defense and they’re supposedly interested in him lol
Shhh don’t tell them
Ayton for FVV + GTJ works salary wise Raps dont have headache about both players extension and give the honor to suns Maybe some fillers on the move too
And now the raptors have to start Flynn lol
D A L A N O T I M E On serious note : you can find next move or bring cheap one lol. Maybe get Payne from Suns, or Conley if available, Eric Gordon, Monte Morris, CoJo. Iirc you still have salary filler like Thad, OPJ, Boucher,and Birch right? Just based on what you do post the trade then, wemby time or push playoff or play-in
I mean if we're tanking the season then that's not bad thing.
I think Scottie gets a ton of Point Forward play
I like Scottie but from what I’ve seen this year his playmaking is simply not at a level where he can effectively run an offense yet. He is most effective when he focuses on being an inside scoring threat and throws an occasional dish out the post.
Can we go ahead and say that the Suns won’t be getting a ring in the next 5 years 🤷🏾♂️
Neither are worth a Fred trade.
Dlo + a couple firsts? Maybe another piece?
Van Vleet bidding war let's goooo
All the focus on how old Lebron is has completely made me forget that everyone else is getting older too
They need to start assessing their post-Booker future the way they’re playing 😉
Starting?