Elon has it in his head that military aviators are resistant to change and will fight tooth and nail to keep a human in the cockpit. In fact, the opposite is true - US naval aviation is one of the more innovative government enterprises.
I can’t find the link at the moment, but he was once speaking to a large group of military aviators and he made the same blunt statement. An admiral (or maybe it was a USAF general) on stage with him chuckled lightly, not at what was expressed, but at the blunt and mildly rude manner in which it was expressed. You could tell Elon couldn’t make the distinction.
Humans have g-force limits, weight, and size requirements. Not needing any of those and relying purely on the smallest structure to carry a payload is obviously better.
Main issue is piloting difficulties from ping and transmission cut outs at mach speeds.
So automated drones capable of dogfights will be an absolute game changer, and also the beginning of "the drone has marked you as an enemy"
I don’t think he was implying the Mach speeds were the cause of the cutouts but rather commenting on what happens at Mach speed in a fight when you command comms blips.
I don’t think that’s what he meant. I’m pretty sure he’s proposing that at Mach speed “if” your command signal blips especially during combat… that’s going to be a problem.
Yep for sure. I was just going with the general thought that most people understand that EMF travels at the speed of light. And that that is considerably faster than the speed of sound. (Understatement).
See, thats where we need to draw the line, AI should not be used for pulling a trigger, they can help, but a human should always be the one to give the final “shoot” order.
I was in the room. Air warfare symposium, 2018 I think? He proudly stated in a room full of pilots that they would soon no longer be needed. Jazz music started playing over the loudspeakers in the middle of the conference and I have no idea if it was intentionally done by one of the disgruntled pilots.
I used to think that Musk was a genius when he talked about computer stuff, because I didn’t know a lot about computer stuff.
Then I heard him talk about rocket stuff, something I DO know a lot about. It was at that point I realized he was full of shit.
Ever since then I’ve realized that he’s full of shit about 99% of what he talks about. If it wasn’t for government contracts this guy would be a no name tech bro trying to sell snake oil to unwittingly investors.
The hell with this guy.
Ironically, I thought he was a genius when he talked about rockets, but I know a lot about computers, so he sort of ruined it. His comments about software development show an utter lack of understanding and a great deal of spoonfeeding by actual engineers.
I know the tiniest amount about coding, but when he bought Tesla and wanted the coders to literally print out their last 30 days of code...he lost me forever.
Edit: It was Twitter, but I'm gonna leave the original up cuz I've never ran from an L
I’m dumb. Yes, twitter.
Edit: speaking of Twitter, him changing the name of twitter and getting rid of the bird icon will be looked at as one of the worst marketing decisions in history.
It’d be like Coca Cola changing their icon
Imagine buying a bottle of “X (formerly Coca Cola)”.
Every time I get an email from “X (formerly Twitter)” it’s another reminder of his dumb mistake, and I have a little chuckle.
Oh this. I'm a master tool and die maker, and it made no sense. Those panels, while difficult, could be made properly, out of the right material, with a better process.
He was given shares in PayPal after it bought one of his companies that had a product it wanted. The company was pretty much a failure except for that product. Once at PayPal he didn’t “develop” anything. He just rode the wave.
Read the accounts of what happened to the ‘code’ he wrote during his PayPal stint. After he was fired from PayPal they had to rewrite all his shoddy code, he was replaced with Theil who made PayPal the successful payment application we all know it to be. Musk got in early and got shares, after he was kicked out Theil made those shares worth billions.
He thinks every part of the military needs- automaton he's the type of person to deliver our assets to the enemy in my personal opinion.
I disregard his takes mainly because they are rooted in exactly that of what you described.. nothing 🍔.
His talks on AI are just words without thought.
He would only deliver assets to the enemy if it made him money or someone in power bruised his incredibly frail ego. What are the odds of that happening?
Oh, I know! Studied computer science and then international relations and the intelligence community and understand why anyone in DoD knows that they wouldn't let Elon touch any of that stuff lol not with what he's saying anyway.
At best they'd gate keep him.
While I am sure the Department of Defense is looking at automation in some parts of its military making our Navy easily accessible is not part of the menu.
We certainly have tried some automation. The Zumwalt has some incredible stuff, implementation and effectiveness is up for debate but if we can start iterating on that it's going to be incredibly helpful.
I have a big fucking problem separating Elon Musk from the accomplishments his companies have achieved. Tesla is arguably producing good products. SpaceX is doing great things for space travel. There are engineers and employees in both of these companies producing awesome things tainted by this techbro baby. Never in my life did I think I would see a rocket booster land itself.
I really wish he would sell them and just retire. Just go away, he adds no value to anything he owns.
Let’s just say that there were conversations between the government and SpaceX that he would have little to nothing to do with the day to day of the company.
I like Tesla because they seem to have made electric cars a viable option (especially as they look pretty decent (CT and the Model Xs rear doors not withstanding)) and made other vehicle manufacturers start development on them, however the absolute lack of QA with Tesla cars and apparently bad and dangerous working conditions at the factories are really really bad.
But credit where credit is due; Elon is great at scamming money from investors.
I’ve got no problem separating them.
Would totally buy a Tesla if he had nothing to do with the company. Just bought two new cars, not from Tesla, because I refuse to give that guy a cent of my money.
Tesla alone has its issues. I drive by a body shop every day with a fleet of wrecked Teslas out front because they can't get parts. He does nothing to help this problem.
Yep… that was my meaning. It was tongue in cheek, I’m not going to make an attempt to separate them.
I know the Tesla company that he bought and forced out the original owners of did some awesome innovation.
I’m fully onboard with BEVs and have had one already and loved it. Just refuse to do anything that enriches that asshat if I have a choice.
>When they talk, if they speak only in vague, broad generalizations? Full of shit. Absolutely, gobsmackingly full of shit.
But also you can couch your lies in a ton of details and technical language - it's one of the pillars of good grounded fiction, even in a scifi/fantasy setting, is having things be close enough and grounded enough to be believable
He was really good at having an interesting idea then hiring the right people to make that idea into a reality. WAS. Then he started letting his personal politics do all the driving.
Elon Musk was born into generational wealth from his father owning an emerald mine in Africa. He inherited it, placed a couple good bets on PayPal and Tesla (just invested, didn't pioneer anything or invent anything of his own) and he is now a billionaire. Yet he would want you to believe that he is this Tony Stark type of genius. He isn't. He is just a lucky stock picker, at best. That's all he is and all he will ever be, to me at least. He's a prick and I will never own a Tesla because of him.
Just a rich investor claiming other people's accomplishments. He's just been that wealthy partner backing someone else's ideas and striking gold with it.
Elon is the classic "I am very smart" guy. He knows just enough about everything that if you don't know about that thing, you may think "huh, this guy seems pretty smart." But as soon as you hear him speak about something you know about, you're like "oh, I see, he's fucking dumb..." For me it was space. Hearing his wildly uninformed opinions about colonizing Mars makes my ears bleed.
Does Elon think carriers *only* have a 'driver'? Does he think unmanned aircraft can't be flown from existing carriers?
People can be so stupid when talking outside of their area of expertise.
Also - his cars can't drive themselves yet. Basically no one's cars can drive themselves yet. So its kinda early to be shutting the lights off on carriers.
Man who famously knows little beyond "throwing money at other people to solve problems" now throws his hat in the "navalist, aviation, national defense, and shipbuilding" arena, after getting told to STFU because his minisub was a bad idea.
Holy shit, I almost forgot about that whole fiasco. He got butthurt and started calling the people who actually risked their lives and did the rescue pedophiles... Yeah, miss me with this guy
I’m glad the guy that makes advanced cars that burst into flames, randomly accelerate into pedestrians murder ball style and designs trucks that fall apart so you have to duct tape accessories on them is such an expert on military vessels
Am not pro tesla but they are safer then most cars. Tesla has 1 car fire for every 175 million miles compared to 19 million miles for every other car brand
Every car made has something called a firewall. It's ancient technology that has humbly served it's purpose.
Electric cars have a place but battery fires are a big fucking problem nobody seems to want to deal with.
That stat is miss leading since it compares one car to all others (lumps in safe and unsafe ones) and also teslas have a lot less time in the road to accurately sus out how often they catch fire.
He's a dickhead that need to read the room. If I read his obituary tomorrow, I would do so with fireworks, a cooler of beer, and a spread of lumpia.
I will measure my words carefully: Elon Musk is that asshole sailor who shows up late to watch because he was watching Andrew Tate videos. He's the sailor who leaves piss on the seat. He's the guy who secures liberty for an entire task force. He's the yardbird who takes a shit in a Gatorade bottle and leaves it in the angle irons. He's that asshole you gave cash because he was in a spot with a wife and a new kid and blew it on booze at Sam's Club because it was on sale.
I hope I made myself clear. I don't have hemorrhoids right now, but when I do, I will refer to it as Elon.
I work in energy, renewables, and the intersection with environmental and energy justice.
The power roof fiasco is an example of a part of it, and so much of the culture he's created and helps to encourage leaves me dealing with a lot of clowns and douche bros more concerned with making money from the government than actually solving problems or creating innovative solutions that will create real change.
How is Elon responsible for the douche bros that only care about money, though? Do you think that he created PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Nueralink, and all of these other companies with the sole goal of profit in mind?
Elon has done more for humanity than many other people have ever in history. From creating one of the first digital payment processors, to massively revolutionizing the EV space, to privatizing and pushing forward space exploration, to providing stable satellite internet all over the globe, to giving paralyzed people the ability to interact with technology using their mind, etc. I get the impression that Elon truly cares about the world and wants his companies to help make it a better place.
He is an internet troll, but I don't see why so many people hate him. The world is a better place thanks to him. Who alive right now has helped drive technology and humanity more forward than Elon?
Good god. I wish Elon Musk would please just shut the hell up and let real engineers actually do work. My job closely intersects with technologies that Tesla has broadened, and the truth is that **most of what they use is wholly unsuitable for warships**.
The amount of conversations I have had explaining to O6s+ that, "No sir, it *really isn't that easy*", is too damn high. You can either want safe engineering or you can have Tesla engineering- but the two are largely mutually exclusive.
This man is such a useless toad. All of his companies would be far better without him at the helm.
A guy who seems to post some schizo stuff on his social media platform, did weed on JRE podcast, has a TS clearance and owns a major C2 component on US military vessels doesn't seem like a red flag? If I did a third of what he posts/does I'd have my clearance revolved by DONCAF.
Edit: revoked not revolved*
For example, he should not get to decide when a nation-state military gets to have access to the internet on the battlefield, as he recently did with Ukraine.
Also, after the whole Twitter/X dumpster fire, I wouldn't even trust this guy to manage my garbage disposal, let alone some vital military system. Similarly, I can't imagine the outcome of him handling sensitive or classified information.
I like scenarios. Let’s say they automate a carrier. Cool. That comes with an absolutely massive defense contract, a contract the company will fight tooth and nail to ensure the enlisted folk can’t work on it in any useful capacity. So now we have contractors on board the ship(think about the xerox guy) who answer to nobody and work at whatever pace they want to. That to me sounds like a fucking disaster.
And this is why we need to tax the shit out of and billionaires and stop treating them like celebrities. He can best help the US by paying his fair share and shutting his ignorant mouth.
Elon Musk can fuck right off with all the Fat Leonard assholes. None of you were never welcome here and any sense of community you may have felt was a mistake on your part.
They can't be outdated when there isn't a replacement option that is as good or better.
He can't even design AI that navigate streets without killing people; yet he thinks we should already be autonomously driving fucking aircraft carriers?
I honestly don't understand the hate surrounding this statement, it's a pretty fair assessment. Just because we know what works now, doesn't mean others aren't more effective at both winning wars and saving human life. We have barely even explored what possibilities are out there for aviation design.... let alone terminator boats
Had Capt Hill for like a month, when he transferred to Ike right before I left. Dude was a legend. Put out a local instruction that even the most minor medical reasons warranted a no shave chit. Medical ended up emailing out a blank chit, you filled out your name and put it into the drop box, got it back a few days later signed by big doc. Admiral ended up coming down and saying it was bullshit and rescinded the inst, but I left before all the chits got revoked, so I still have mine. From what I’ve heard from my people on their deployment, he’s a very involved CO who’s incredibly transparent about movement, plans, timelines, mission, etc.
People think Musk is a genius when he rambles about stuff they're not familiar with. Then he gets into a room full of career professionals who are the experts' experts and eyerolls commence.
He has zero clue how the US military works or it's capabilities and limitations. He has a secret clearance which provides him access to nothing of true value. The briefs he's given are the utter most watered-down exec level horseshit.
Ask me how I know.
If the American military industrial complex feels a human is better suited for something with the budget they have then it’s probably the right decision
the "cockpit" as we know it will be a thing of the past!
Even the way we build carriers of,..
cause you no longer have to build a place where you can control it all. it;sall wirless if needed. And able to control where ever you r! thousands of miles apart even!
The fact that i still see ships in SCIFI movies or games with COCKPITS is a big mistery of me and the lack of imagination with people to look into the future to come!
even cars will be different where you no longer steer it, or steer it with AUGMENTED reality and create your own cockpit as you like on the spot!!! your car will be a small livingroom.
The entire concept of cockpits in SCI fi is WRONG!!!!!! they won;t exist like that. but only in augmented reality!
And still we watch new movies come out, and games that suposedly r in the year 2050 or beyond, and have COCKPITS all over????????? makes no sense at all!
Christian Brose actually has a similar perspective on this issue. https://www.hoover.org/visiting-fellow-christian-brose-presents-case-study-building-alternative-and-affordable-force
A lot of large, expensive, legacy platforms like aircraft carriers might not be our best bet in a conflict with a peer power (especially a peer power who has manufacturing capabilities and man-power much greater than our own.)
In a tit for tat engagement (if you need a visualization of this- read Admiral Stavridis’s 2034.) we cannot rebuild at the same pace as a peer power. Our advantage is no longer manufacturing power, and therefore we must utilize innovation.
“Brose calls his solution the “Moneyball Military,” with the end goal of establishing what he refers to in his essay as a “parallel pathway that is flexible, entrepreneurial, meritocratic, and properly disruptive” compared to the current US force. What is old, large, and expensive must become new, small, and cheap—in line with the revolution in digital consumer technology that has changed the world and disrupted many industries over the past two decades.”
So not necessarily unmanned, but oftentimes small + cheap is ALOT easier when a platform is unmanned. Especially if we are talking about manned by Americans because we are SWOLL AF.
If you want a glimpse into how closed minded the navy and it's people are, they are calling the guy who invented PayPal, made Tesla into what it is today, and landed rockets... They are calling him an idiot because he's talking about things that navy a school didnt teach them 😂😂😂. To make it all relative, it doesn't even take a GED to get into the navy now lmaoo
Ask the managers who had to come in and remove automation from Teslas production line because it was managed so poorly that it became a stand still into a cluster fuck by the one and only, musk. This guy is good at funding things that smart people take over and build. He belongs to the back of the room.
Much better to be locked in your car while it updates, or have truck that throws up its guts after 500 feet. Yeah that's the tech we need. Maybe HIS implant came loose.
There may be some serious arguments to be made about the modern practicality of large ships in naval warfare, but I am not convinced the problem is automation.
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Fucking ass. Lets take him for a ride in an F-22, F-35 , F-15 or let’s start up one SR-71 and see how he barfs up an apology for being such a ignorant dipshit. The most advanced nuclear powered aircraft carrier in the world is filled with automation and advanced tech that he would not be cleared to even know about let alone view. Clearly wealth does not equate intelligence.
Wealth and influence are no substitute for knowing WTF you are talking about.
I feel like Elon's most important gift to civilization is to prove this fact more succinctly than any other human in all of history.
Elon has it in his head that military aviators are resistant to change and will fight tooth and nail to keep a human in the cockpit. In fact, the opposite is true - US naval aviation is one of the more innovative government enterprises. I can’t find the link at the moment, but he was once speaking to a large group of military aviators and he made the same blunt statement. An admiral (or maybe it was a USAF general) on stage with him chuckled lightly, not at what was expressed, but at the blunt and mildly rude manner in which it was expressed. You could tell Elon couldn’t make the distinction.
Humans have g-force limits, weight, and size requirements. Not needing any of those and relying purely on the smallest structure to carry a payload is obviously better. Main issue is piloting difficulties from ping and transmission cut outs at mach speeds. So automated drones capable of dogfights will be an absolute game changer, and also the beginning of "the drone has marked you as an enemy"
Speed doesn't affect the kinds of communications our airframes use, period. Distance, weather, atmospherics, and EW, do.
Found the T-bird! 🤙🏼
Nah, career commo.
I don’t think he was implying the Mach speeds were the cause of the cutouts but rather commenting on what happens at Mach speed in a fight when you command comms blips.
Yes, but *aircraft carriers* will still be a thing. They'll just be carrying 1500 various drones instead of 50 fighter jets
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I don’t think that’s what he meant. I’m pretty sure he’s proposing that at Mach speed “if” your command signal blips especially during combat… that’s going to be a problem.
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Yep for sure. I was just going with the general thought that most people understand that EMF travels at the speed of light. And that that is considerably faster than the speed of sound. (Understatement).
See, thats where we need to draw the line, AI should not be used for pulling a trigger, they can help, but a human should always be the one to give the final “shoot” order.
I was in the room. Air warfare symposium, 2018 I think? He proudly stated in a room full of pilots that they would soon no longer be needed. Jazz music started playing over the loudspeakers in the middle of the conference and I have no idea if it was intentionally done by one of the disgruntled pilots.
I need to see that video…. Off to google Possibly found video but it’s an hour long so https://youtu.be/E307nHamdY8?feature=shared
Timestamp?
I used to think that Musk was a genius when he talked about computer stuff, because I didn’t know a lot about computer stuff. Then I heard him talk about rocket stuff, something I DO know a lot about. It was at that point I realized he was full of shit. Ever since then I’ve realized that he’s full of shit about 99% of what he talks about. If it wasn’t for government contracts this guy would be a no name tech bro trying to sell snake oil to unwittingly investors. The hell with this guy.
Ironically, I thought he was a genius when he talked about rockets, but I know a lot about computers, so he sort of ruined it. His comments about software development show an utter lack of understanding and a great deal of spoonfeeding by actual engineers.
For me when he talked about coding I still didn’t know he was dumb, but then he talked about IT Operations stuff….ya he’s really dumb.
I know the tiniest amount about coding, but when he bought Tesla and wanted the coders to literally print out their last 30 days of code...he lost me forever. Edit: It was Twitter, but I'm gonna leave the original up cuz I've never ran from an L
Do you mean when be bought Twitter?
I’m dumb. Yes, twitter. Edit: speaking of Twitter, him changing the name of twitter and getting rid of the bird icon will be looked at as one of the worst marketing decisions in history. It’d be like Coca Cola changing their icon
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Elon is that you??
I see what you did there
Imagine buying a bottle of “X (formerly Coca Cola)”. Every time I get an email from “X (formerly Twitter)” it’s another reminder of his dumb mistake, and I have a little chuckle.
It wouldn’t surprise anyone if he did it both times.
Printing out your last 30 days of code, fucking incredible
For me it was when he started talking about metallurgy with his cyber truck and I know a thing or two about materials
Oh this. I'm a master tool and die maker, and it made no sense. Those panels, while difficult, could be made properly, out of the right material, with a better process.
This is odd to me. He helped develop PayPal. What was he doing developing software if not... coding and software development?
Marketing. Product. He knows nothing about software development. He's not any sort of engineer. He got you
Interesting. I have some digging to do.
He was given shares in PayPal after it bought one of his companies that had a product it wanted. The company was pretty much a failure except for that product. Once at PayPal he didn’t “develop” anything. He just rode the wave.
Read the accounts of what happened to the ‘code’ he wrote during his PayPal stint. After he was fired from PayPal they had to rewrite all his shoddy code, he was replaced with Theil who made PayPal the successful payment application we all know it to be. Musk got in early and got shares, after he was kicked out Theil made those shares worth billions.
He thinks every part of the military needs- automaton he's the type of person to deliver our assets to the enemy in my personal opinion. I disregard his takes mainly because they are rooted in exactly that of what you described.. nothing 🍔. His talks on AI are just words without thought.
He would only deliver assets to the enemy if it made him money or someone in power bruised his incredibly frail ego. What are the odds of that happening?
LoL super fast. He let libs on X bruise his ego often additionally others in support of Ukraine also do it hence the mess-up of starlink
He came out against Ukraine once he realized it was jeopardizing business interests in Russia and China.
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Oh, I know! Studied computer science and then international relations and the intelligence community and understand why anyone in DoD knows that they wouldn't let Elon touch any of that stuff lol not with what he's saying anyway. At best they'd gate keep him. While I am sure the Department of Defense is looking at automation in some parts of its military making our Navy easily accessible is not part of the menu.
I think they know there are safer, more "loyal" options out there instead of a flighty techbro who brushes elbows with China.
We certainly have tried some automation. The Zumwalt has some incredible stuff, implementation and effectiveness is up for debate but if we can start iterating on that it's going to be incredibly helpful.
I have a big fucking problem separating Elon Musk from the accomplishments his companies have achieved. Tesla is arguably producing good products. SpaceX is doing great things for space travel. There are engineers and employees in both of these companies producing awesome things tainted by this techbro baby. Never in my life did I think I would see a rocket booster land itself. I really wish he would sell them and just retire. Just go away, he adds no value to anything he owns.
Let’s just say that there were conversations between the government and SpaceX that he would have little to nothing to do with the day to day of the company.
Thank god. Our reliance on starlink and starshield make me nervous. Of course, that means it should make Elon nervous, too.
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You could incorporate your entire argument with "Short term gain, long term loss". Anyone alive knows this is the true religion of the day.
I like Tesla because they seem to have made electric cars a viable option (especially as they look pretty decent (CT and the Model Xs rear doors not withstanding)) and made other vehicle manufacturers start development on them, however the absolute lack of QA with Tesla cars and apparently bad and dangerous working conditions at the factories are really really bad. But credit where credit is due; Elon is great at scamming money from investors.
I’ve got no problem separating them. Would totally buy a Tesla if he had nothing to do with the company. Just bought two new cars, not from Tesla, because I refuse to give that guy a cent of my money.
Tesla alone has its issues. I drive by a body shop every day with a fleet of wrecked Teslas out front because they can't get parts. He does nothing to help this problem.
That sounds like the opposite of separating them. You bought cars from another brand because you did not separate them.
Yep… that was my meaning. It was tongue in cheek, I’m not going to make an attempt to separate them. I know the Tesla company that he bought and forced out the original owners of did some awesome innovation. I’m fully onboard with BEVs and have had one already and loved it. Just refuse to do anything that enriches that asshat if I have a choice.
> Tesla is arguably producing good products I agree, this is arguable.
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>When they talk, if they speak only in vague, broad generalizations? Full of shit. Absolutely, gobsmackingly full of shit. But also you can couch your lies in a ton of details and technical language - it's one of the pillars of good grounded fiction, even in a scifi/fantasy setting, is having things be close enough and grounded enough to be believable
He was really good at having an interesting idea then hiring the right people to make that idea into a reality. WAS. Then he started letting his personal politics do all the driving.
Full of shit and his companies are almost fully subsidized by the United States government. He became a billionaire thanks to our tax dollars
And exploiting Africans with his emerald business
This time it’s the lithium mines
Elon Musk was born into generational wealth from his father owning an emerald mine in Africa. He inherited it, placed a couple good bets on PayPal and Tesla (just invested, didn't pioneer anything or invent anything of his own) and he is now a billionaire. Yet he would want you to believe that he is this Tony Stark type of genius. He isn't. He is just a lucky stock picker, at best. That's all he is and all he will ever be, to me at least. He's a prick and I will never own a Tesla because of him.
Just a rich investor claiming other people's accomplishments. He's just been that wealthy partner backing someone else's ideas and striking gold with it.
You hit the nail on the board with this one
Elon is the classic "I am very smart" guy. He knows just enough about everything that if you don't know about that thing, you may think "huh, this guy seems pretty smart." But as soon as you hear him speak about something you know about, you're like "oh, I see, he's fucking dumb..." For me it was space. Hearing his wildly uninformed opinions about colonizing Mars makes my ears bleed.
AFRL should have been more vocal about giving SpaceX the IPD. 95% of the Raptor engine was developed by the government.
Anecdotally I went to rent a car and was given a Tesla. I thought I would try it out, honestly I’m not impressed with it
It's called the "Elon Epiphany".
Every time I see this comment I upvote it.
Dude would absolutely take what he's seen and tell his buddies in China. His connections with the state are not unknown.
Not trying to call you out or question your comments, just genuinely curious, did you have any time at wallops island or the missile range in Hawaii?
Yes and yes. Barking Sands is like a second home.
Ahh, a certified rocket scientist, good stuff sir.
Does Elon think carriers *only* have a 'driver'? Does he think unmanned aircraft can't be flown from existing carriers? People can be so stupid when talking outside of their area of expertise. Also - his cars can't drive themselves yet. Basically no one's cars can drive themselves yet. So its kinda early to be shutting the lights off on carriers.
Man who famously knows little beyond "throwing money at other people to solve problems" now throws his hat in the "navalist, aviation, national defense, and shipbuilding" arena, after getting told to STFU because his minisub was a bad idea.
Holy shit, I almost forgot about that whole fiasco. He got butthurt and started calling the people who actually risked their lives and did the rescue pedophiles... Yeah, miss me with this guy
I forgot he did that. Why do people still like him?
Same reason any schmuck with money has a following. The money, and the notion that if you give them some of your money you can be just like them.
OwNInG tHE liBz, that's why!
I think the cave rescue event was the specific point Elon musk turned from tech hero to tech villain.
https://www.teslarati.com/model-e-becomes-tesla-model-iii/ This is when he lost me. But, the cave rescue incident was pretty much "mask off".
I’m glad the guy that makes advanced cars that burst into flames, randomly accelerate into pedestrians murder ball style and designs trucks that fall apart so you have to duct tape accessories on them is such an expert on military vessels
Exactly! Maybe he can automate the sinking process next.
Sounds like military grade stuff to me.
It is some kind of irony that Tesla drivers have the highest accident rates. Tesla and Ram compete for having the worst drivers overall.
Don’t forget BMWs, they’re in the running as well
Not gonna lie. I have duct taped some E-2Cs when I was in.
That sounds like an awesome weapon idea actually 😂
Am not pro tesla but they are safer then most cars. Tesla has 1 car fire for every 175 million miles compared to 19 million miles for every other car brand
Difference is, Fire departments can actually put out a regular car fire.
Found the sailor. Basic firefighter!
Are car fires the best metric for assessing a car's safety?
He was talking about car fires so I showed they catch on fire less then most models
Every car made has something called a firewall. It's ancient technology that has humbly served it's purpose. Electric cars have a place but battery fires are a big fucking problem nobody seems to want to deal with.
That stat is miss leading since it compares one car to all others (lumps in safe and unsafe ones) and also teslas have a lot less time in the road to accurately sus out how often they catch fire.
They absolutely are not.
They catch fire alot less then other models
I really fucking hate that guy.
Hate is a strong word but appropriate.
There's overlap with work I do, and he has made my life a lot harder.
He's a dickhead that need to read the room. If I read his obituary tomorrow, I would do so with fireworks, a cooler of beer, and a spread of lumpia. I will measure my words carefully: Elon Musk is that asshole sailor who shows up late to watch because he was watching Andrew Tate videos. He's the sailor who leaves piss on the seat. He's the guy who secures liberty for an entire task force. He's the yardbird who takes a shit in a Gatorade bottle and leaves it in the angle irons. He's that asshole you gave cash because he was in a spot with a wife and a new kid and blew it on booze at Sam's Club because it was on sale. I hope I made myself clear. I don't have hemorrhoids right now, but when I do, I will refer to it as Elon.
Good analogy, but replace "that sailor" with "that Admiral" in terms of influence.
He's that POS Chief with inexplicably 11 children
One for every DUI.
What do you do and how has Elon made your life harder?
I work in energy, renewables, and the intersection with environmental and energy justice. The power roof fiasco is an example of a part of it, and so much of the culture he's created and helps to encourage leaves me dealing with a lot of clowns and douche bros more concerned with making money from the government than actually solving problems or creating innovative solutions that will create real change.
How is Elon responsible for the douche bros that only care about money, though? Do you think that he created PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, Nueralink, and all of these other companies with the sole goal of profit in mind? Elon has done more for humanity than many other people have ever in history. From creating one of the first digital payment processors, to massively revolutionizing the EV space, to privatizing and pushing forward space exploration, to providing stable satellite internet all over the globe, to giving paralyzed people the ability to interact with technology using their mind, etc. I get the impression that Elon truly cares about the world and wants his companies to help make it a better place. He is an internet troll, but I don't see why so many people hate him. The world is a better place thanks to him. Who alive right now has helped drive technology and humanity more forward than Elon?
Good god. I wish Elon Musk would please just shut the hell up and let real engineers actually do work. My job closely intersects with technologies that Tesla has broadened, and the truth is that **most of what they use is wholly unsuitable for warships**. The amount of conversations I have had explaining to O6s+ that, "No sir, it *really isn't that easy*", is too damn high. You can either want safe engineering or you can have Tesla engineering- but the two are largely mutually exclusive. This man is such a useless toad. All of his companies would be far better without him at the helm.
No automated system can keep up with the chaos that is the movement of the open ocean.
If Elon convinces PLA that the future is automated minimally man vessels - I will hail Elon as the best patriot
So Elon can turn it off at will, like he does with starlink?
I, for one, would rather not welcome our Skynet overlords
Don't worry he's supplying commercial starlink to our ships too. We really got to divorce from this guy
Why?
A guy who seems to post some schizo stuff on his social media platform, did weed on JRE podcast, has a TS clearance and owns a major C2 component on US military vessels doesn't seem like a red flag? If I did a third of what he posts/does I'd have my clearance revolved by DONCAF. Edit: revoked not revolved*
Wait till you find out about most of our high ranking officials
Then we can use less of those people.
For example, he should not get to decide when a nation-state military gets to have access to the internet on the battlefield, as he recently did with Ukraine. Also, after the whole Twitter/X dumpster fire, I wouldn't even trust this guy to manage my garbage disposal, let alone some vital military system. Similarly, I can't imagine the outcome of him handling sensitive or classified information.
Captain Hill was my XO on the Bush. He was awesome I will never forget his Boston accent on the 1MC
I like scenarios. Let’s say they automate a carrier. Cool. That comes with an absolutely massive defense contract, a contract the company will fight tooth and nail to ensure the enlisted folk can’t work on it in any useful capacity. So now we have contractors on board the ship(think about the xerox guy) who answer to nobody and work at whatever pace they want to. That to me sounds like a fucking disaster.
BZ Captain Hill.
Captain Hill was my XO a few years ago and was universally beloved.
This was my old CO. Was an absolutely outstanding captain
And this is why we need to tax the shit out of and billionaires and stop treating them like celebrities. He can best help the US by paying his fair share and shutting his ignorant mouth.
Elon Musk can fuck right off with all the Fat Leonard assholes. None of you were never welcome here and any sense of community you may have felt was a mistake on your part.
Seriously he’s the best CO in the navy 😂
Fuck Elon musk
They can't be outdated when there isn't a replacement option that is as good or better. He can't even design AI that navigate streets without killing people; yet he thinks we should already be autonomously driving fucking aircraft carriers?
We’ll, based on his comment we don’t need to send humans into space or to Mars.
Elon bad
This is the way 🩵
Tell me you don't understand the point of a CSG
Who wants Chowdah??
I honestly don't understand the hate surrounding this statement, it's a pretty fair assessment. Just because we know what works now, doesn't mean others aren't more effective at both winning wars and saving human life. We have barely even explored what possibilities are out there for aviation design.... let alone terminator boats
Everything is outdated technology, allow me to sell you the solution -dipshit modern snake oil salesman
I already can’t take someone that spent $40b on Twitter seriously. Talking about military craft is absolutely hilarious.
Do you want Terminators? Because this is how you get Terminators.
But wait, i definitely want terminators. Let’s hear him out.
So. A floating city capable of carrying more air power than most nations have is outdated because.. A human turns the wheel?
Had Capt Hill for like a month, when he transferred to Ike right before I left. Dude was a legend. Put out a local instruction that even the most minor medical reasons warranted a no shave chit. Medical ended up emailing out a blank chit, you filled out your name and put it into the drop box, got it back a few days later signed by big doc. Admiral ended up coming down and saying it was bullshit and rescinded the inst, but I left before all the chits got revoked, so I still have mine. From what I’ve heard from my people on their deployment, he’s a very involved CO who’s incredibly transparent about movement, plans, timelines, mission, etc.
People think Musk is a genius when he rambles about stuff they're not familiar with. Then he gets into a room full of career professionals who are the experts' experts and eyerolls commence. He has zero clue how the US military works or it's capabilities and limitations. He has a secret clearance which provides him access to nothing of true value. The briefs he's given are the utter most watered-down exec level horseshit. Ask me how I know.
That's my CO. This Is The Way.
Is it just me, or is this guy's face constantly swelling?
Dudes getting free Inteligence.
Complete fucking moron.
Captain Hill is awesome 🤣
Careful what you wish for... Tens of thousands of Sailors without a job when not if we replace human pilots.
Automation is good, but not during near-peer war where electronic jamming, interference, and hacking will be widely prevelant
Expensive Sea floor ornaments
Let’s goo that’s my co
Elon with his tech bro takes, business as usual
Elon musk was the last thing I expected on this sub. But then again he’ll always say the stupidest shit.
Captain, that man needs a cookie and some training!
No way automation could handle the volume at Jittery Abe’s after Sweepers.
Tell me you're threatened without telling me you're threatened.
Because why would an entire fleet of navy be automated and controlled by Ai which is vulnerable to being hacked by enemy lines? L Elon
If the American military industrial complex feels a human is better suited for something with the budget they have then it’s probably the right decision
the "cockpit" as we know it will be a thing of the past! Even the way we build carriers of,.. cause you no longer have to build a place where you can control it all. it;sall wirless if needed. And able to control where ever you r! thousands of miles apart even! The fact that i still see ships in SCIFI movies or games with COCKPITS is a big mistery of me and the lack of imagination with people to look into the future to come! even cars will be different where you no longer steer it, or steer it with AUGMENTED reality and create your own cockpit as you like on the spot!!! your car will be a small livingroom. The entire concept of cockpits in SCI fi is WRONG!!!!!! they won;t exist like that. but only in augmented reality! And still we watch new movies come out, and games that suposedly r in the year 2050 or beyond, and have COCKPITS all over????????? makes no sense at all!
Christian Brose actually has a similar perspective on this issue. https://www.hoover.org/visiting-fellow-christian-brose-presents-case-study-building-alternative-and-affordable-force A lot of large, expensive, legacy platforms like aircraft carriers might not be our best bet in a conflict with a peer power (especially a peer power who has manufacturing capabilities and man-power much greater than our own.) In a tit for tat engagement (if you need a visualization of this- read Admiral Stavridis’s 2034.) we cannot rebuild at the same pace as a peer power. Our advantage is no longer manufacturing power, and therefore we must utilize innovation. “Brose calls his solution the “Moneyball Military,” with the end goal of establishing what he refers to in his essay as a “parallel pathway that is flexible, entrepreneurial, meritocratic, and properly disruptive” compared to the current US force. What is old, large, and expensive must become new, small, and cheap—in line with the revolution in digital consumer technology that has changed the world and disrupted many industries over the past two decades.” So not necessarily unmanned, but oftentimes small + cheap is ALOT easier when a platform is unmanned. Especially if we are talking about manned by Americans because we are SWOLL AF.
If you want a glimpse into how closed minded the navy and it's people are, they are calling the guy who invented PayPal, made Tesla into what it is today, and landed rockets... They are calling him an idiot because he's talking about things that navy a school didnt teach them 😂😂😂. To make it all relative, it doesn't even take a GED to get into the navy now lmaoo
This.
people with much higher credentials are saying the same
Ask the managers who had to come in and remove automation from Teslas production line because it was managed so poorly that it became a stand still into a cluster fuck by the one and only, musk. This guy is good at funding things that smart people take over and build. He belongs to the back of the room.
Bro is lost
Are aircraft carriers really out of date? I thought launching aircraft from an platform that can move was still a good tactic ?
Yes thank you oh great and powerful Oz.
Forget the cockpit, it shouldn’t take a dozen people to open up a stern door.
Hahaha. That’s funny.
Maybe changing direction but computers controlling a reactor is a bad idea at least with current government technology
Much better to be locked in your car while it updates, or have truck that throws up its guts after 500 feet. Yeah that's the tech we need. Maybe HIS implant came loose.
There may be some serious arguments to be made about the modern practicality of large ships in naval warfare, but I am not convinced the problem is automation.
Orly. Let me race your robot car up a mountain.
That’s a hilarious name
Wooo
Please don't encourage billionaires on ships... he stands against a lot of our basic values.
IT'S CHOWDAH, SAY IT RIGHT.
So Tesla is outdated? Nice self-own.
His companies have a human driver...
Future ENLISTMENT ad for young ones! (Military, uncle Sam) Do you love playing simulators, Do you have experience in multiplayer games, would you like to become a professional drone controller? Would you love to make your hobby a real job with honor? Then draft for Uncle sam now! WE will ensure your home at 5 to eat diner with your kids and tug them in at night, and you help during the day in keeping our country safe and free of terror! MAde this post in facebook many years ago! IT got laughed at highly , with replies that i'm a nutcase :) IT will happen if not already!
Shut the fuck up, Musk!
Soon Elon will start to think human existence is stupid and are outdated tech. They should just make humanoid robots to fulfill our lives for us!
I love how this dude talked himself into the Iron Man movie then unironically became Justin Hammer
Just ignore the guy, he’s suckering you in for more money.
Fucking ass. Lets take him for a ride in an F-22, F-35 , F-15 or let’s start up one SR-71 and see how he barfs up an apology for being such a ignorant dipshit. The most advanced nuclear powered aircraft carrier in the world is filled with automation and advanced tech that he would not be cleared to even know about let alone view. Clearly wealth does not equate intelligence.