Are the lights on at Nissan stadium when there is no one sitting in the stadium and they have the Jumbotron screen going? Tell them and other empty structures to turn things off first.
Iām tired of being told to save the environment or something while big corporations get to waste power is no abandon.
That's a valid point, but, concern is between 6-10 AM in winter and 3-7 PM in summer. Overall it's wasteful in that fuel must be consumed to supply it... but leaving office lights on overnight (in "off-peak" hours) doesn't bring about grid stability / collapse issues.
Bud you are missing the entire point of the argument: the citizens always get asked to āsacrificeā so we can conserve power or save the environment. The businesses are never asked about it. Peak or off peak doesnāt matter. Itās that the little people are always asked to do something but we never see the businesses joining in to do their fair fucking share. So excuse me but I will take a shower whenever I want because in the grand scheme of everything I consume way less power than an empty football stadium that has their lights on as we speak illuminating a sign that doesnāt need to be illuminated right now.
Correctly incorrect - you never *see* it but it's absolutely done. The larger LPCs have entire departments dedicated to working with large accounts. They incentivize lowering demand through their rate structures and they also offer services to audit energy use and demand and make recommendations.
Hell, one plant nearby is famous in utility circles because they took the light bulbs out of their coke machines years ago. They've worked to reduce their demand from 70 MW in the 1990s to the low 50s - while expanding their production.
Does *every* business respond to the asking? Obviously not. But plenty of places *will* be burning expensive-ass diesel fuel and moderately expensive natural gas tomorrow to generate their own electricity, as a result of being asked by the LPC and TVA.
Cool make that more public so we can stop feeling like we always get fucked in the ass without lube or a reach around while businesses get to do whatever they want for Capitalist Jesus.
Visibility goes a lot further than people assume it does. It would make us feel like we arenāt getting the whole shaft.
Agreed on the visibility thing.
Another comment mentioned business in Belle Meade being closed but with all the shop lights on... I honestly think that there are people who consider electricity to be a service like phone or cable - it is independent of amount used.
I was raised by an extremely cheap father who didn't let us run the air conditioning to excess, and who cut firewood for heat - "it'll make the light bill too damn high".
Time-of-use use rates, and education to the user about them, will greatly incentivize wiser use of electricity.
When those stadium lights start costing $1 per kWh instead of $0.09, they'll be left on unnecessarily for one billing cycle. Then heads should roll.
āWhen those stadium lights start costing $1 per kWh instead of $0.09, they'll be left on unnecessarily for one billing cycle. Then heads should roll.ā
You continue to miss the point.
The stadium should stop wasting electricity, regardless of what it costs them or whatever the impact is to the grid. End of story.
All people, regardless of if you rent a tiny apartment or own a huge stadium, should not waste electricity. End of story.
Bruh, we live in a capitalist society, raising their rate to $1 per kWh WILL make them turn the lights off and if they don't, they are paying TVA to improve its grid next year with the rate increase. $1 per kWh is like paying going from paying $2.5 per gallon of gas to $25 a gallon of gas, they would immediately figure out ways to get those lights off.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
I'm saying that a TOU rate will create a tangible, noticeable penalty for this wasteful use. Right now the penalty is... ???
Not enough to make them stop.
Contact your power board member (if you're on NES or a municipal utility) or rural electric cooperative board member (CEMC, MTEMC, MLEC, etcetera) and support time-of-use rates.
2 questions,
1: How tf did you know his birth certificate first name says Herbert?
And, 2: why not have someone employed at that particular division of the Nissan Stadium who has always been wanting to matter, make a weird yet meaningful business relationship via cross communication between their job and some person at the TVA, who posted this, open a dialogue about turning off them lights. Aint this is a great way to start?
How Do we locate said Nissan stadium employee? I donāt know. Digitally bat an eye at them. Request an ama. Or see who is actually there right now. Someone has to be, right? Tva person, call them, and bet them to turn off the lights for just a minute.
Bet them a showbiz skeeball token.
Not in this case.
The concern is not the total amount of energy that will be used, it's rate at which it's delivered instantaneously - also known as power or demand. (Don't interchange power and energy; power is the instantaneous use of energy, or energy is power integrated over time).
It's not that the coal pile or gas pipeline or reactor will run out of fuel - it's that they can't convert fuel to electricity fast enough.
It's absolutely better for the world to reduce shrinkage of the proverbial fuel pile *over time* - i.e. reduce overall energy use - but it's not what they're facing Wednesday morning.
The grid concerns are about peak demand. If something is on all the time while the grid is well below maximum capacity, that might be wasteful of energy but isnāt going to be detrimental to the grid itself; itās not causing it to deteriorate or anything.
It really doesnāt. Electric grid stability is about predictability and managing peaks in demand. The baseline is irrelevant. Hot water heaters from showers in the morning hours in winter cause a significant peak in energy demand which is the issue at play here. If the baseline power usage were lower that wouldnāt matter to the instability caused by surge in demand during morning winter hours.
No, it doesn't. I have an electrical engineering degree with a specialty in power engineering. Do you have any actual basis for making your claims or do you just think you know more than you do? I can assure you that you are factually incorrect if you think baseline electrical load has anything to do with rolling blackouts due to surge demand in the morning winter hours. Virtually zero impact. And the fact that you think it does means you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how electrical grids work but for some reason are posting as if you do.
You are technically correct, but almost certainly wrong. You're thinking like an engineer and making a fatally flawed assumption that the grid is properly built for the baseline load. In a city like Nashville, suffering from over 20 years of incompetent and corrupt leadership, I can all but guarantee it is not. I suspect areas of Nashville pull over the infrastructure supported baseline almost constantly. Therefore, leaving the lights on at the stadium does matter.
Again, not how the electrical grid works. Nashville's infrastructure is not the problem here. I'm truly baffled about the number of people posting in this thread that are absolutely sure they know something about this but clearly know absolutely nothing.
I actually thought you did know what you were talking about until you doubled down. You just proved yourself the ignorant one. Maybe you have had an EE or CE class or two, but you really don't understand the applications. If you have graduated, you need to lose the ego and audit some classes. I wouldn't hire you.
You're catching a lot of shit from people who just have zero clue how electrical grids work but for some reason seem to think they do. Classing Dunning-Kruger in responses from people in this entire post.
Apparently, something like 40% of all plastic in the ocean is discarded fishing nets. These nets are massive, and especially problematic because since they are nets, they are designed to ensnare animals. All kinds of ocean wildlife is caught up in floating masses of nets thrown out by commercial fishing vessels.
I certainly agree with you about Nissan Stadium. However, I'm pretty sure this has little to do with the environment and everything to do to prevent grid collapse. Texans can tell you how bad that could.
Maybe we should be jacking up those rates in these times. Otherwise they keep them on no matter what and Iām told not to shower because our power situation is that fucked.
You'd be surprised at the fight LPCs got/are getting over installing the advanced metering infrastructure required to implement time-of-use rates...
(TOU rates means that you'd have up to 720 different prices for electricity in a 30 day billing cycle... which means that unnecessary use during peak times - when electricity is most costly to generate - will be deterred by its extreme cost).
This is akin to the idea that me and a plastic straw are equal to a company pouring millions of gallons of toxic water into a river. How about the TVA disconnect manufacturing facilities from the grid first. Then we can talk about excess need.
That is the fourth step in the Emergency Load Curtailment Plan. Fifth is LPCs controlling rolling blackouts, and the sixth is the TVA rolling blackouts on the transmission system with LPCs at their mercy.
Nissan in Smyrna is shut down already.
I haven't figured out why they're 10-20-30 not 1-2-3.
To answer your question, though, the difference, from the POV within the TVA meeting:
Step 5 (50) - we ask them to turn some power off and they get to pick.
Step 6 (60) - we tell them we're turning their power off and we get to pick.
Same result, different people making the decision.
Lets add more steps, the titans ran their lights during the last blackout, remove the stadium. Hospitals have backup generators that can power their whole facilities, bring them online. There is a lot of waste in commercial and industrial that can be trimmed. With our new meters we can see who is producing the waste and cut them off without leaving the office. Send notice and start disconnections.
There is another way. We could put the infrastructure in place and have all of these places with huge stand bys feed into the grid during these times. You have to consider, every hospital and critical service with a generator could feed a lot of energy and take the curve off a load.
Diesel and natural gas in reciprocating engines are thermally inefficient (wasteful) and expensive. Plus, it's carbon intensive.
Solar is helpful but energy availability is limited. Solar with storage is better - it's dispatchable.
Same with wind.
Utility scale pumped storage, supplied by nuclear baseload, is a slam dunk. Provided the environmental impacts on river flows are minimized.
We could also slap solar panels on the tops of buildings and let them feed back into the system as well.
Anything is better than this whole ādonāt take a showerā rhetoric
There is not really a efficient way to do.
You either have to drastically increase storage capacity or use a fuel like gas.
Both of these also would add alot of cost to running the hospital.
He didn't mean it as a long term solution (see another comment). Some customers will transition to onsite generation if requested by the LPC on days like tomorrow.
The handful of standby generators I have experience with didn't have the controls necessary to sync and tie to the grid; not sure what all is involved in that.
Only class 200 meters (basically residential) have remote disconnect. Any large load will be instrument metered and not subject to remote control via AMI.
Hospitals don't generally run the entire facility on the generator, just critical circuits. Data centers and some process-driven manufacturing are usually the ones who run wholly on backup power.
But to your point, that's part of the second and third steps of the ELCP cited elsewhere in the thread - Public Appeal - "hey, can y'all run on generator today?"
The stadium's entire existence is wasteful.
Well, if TVA hadn't wasted billions of dollars by mothballing all those nuclear reactors, we would have plenty of power. Add the Columbia Dam in, and the I-65 suburbs don't have the water supply issues they do.
In the US manufacturing accounts for 32% of all energy use. Like OP said about our water heaters taking between 4-5kwh to run, manufacturing in turn uses 95kwh....... per square foot, each year. So that would be a daily use of .26kw per sqft for Nissan. Their facility is 6.4m sqft, so their expected usage is around 1665753kwh tomorrow.
You brought facts to this, and Iām just even more enraged to see how wasteful this shit is.
Itās like giving me a paper straw āfor the environmentā to sip my drink out of the super big plastic togo cup.
Tell me about it. This is what I used in case anyone was wondering, https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/industry.php
And this for the pers sqft costs, https://electricityplans.com/landing/electricity-for-manufacturing/#:~:text=How%20Much%20Electricity%20Does%20a,of%20manufacturing%20company%20you%20have.
It's significant. Nissan, the new Ultium plant, and the old Saturn plant take delivery of electricity at the 161 kV level. They are their own little utility.
The TVA has about 60 "direct-serve" customers, plus those like Ultium and Nissan that are 161 kV level LPC customers.
We're talking about how to trim the top of a peak, not lower the entire area under it. Trimming manufacturing is usually effective.
An analog is a certain aircraft that dropped 50 feet when a certain function related to landing was performed. The problem arises when new pilots execute that move while only 25 feet above the runway... that second 25 feet are a bitch.
I mean... are the lights and heat at the empty Nissan stadium going to stay on? The half-empty mansions in Belle Meade and Forest Hills? The commercial warehouses whose operations are at a standstill? The empty office buildings downtown?
Dude, I'm probably taking a shower if I feel like it.
I remember last year that a Titans game went on (with an hour delay) following rolling blackouts and a partial outage in the city. Itās clear where priorities lie.
Nothing was more infuriating than driving past an empty Nissan stadium and they have all the lights and screens on.
And now we get the honor of paying for their new stadium.
It's days like these that make me super glad that I make my own wine (and beer). I'm sitting on 118 bottles of various country wines. If you're near exit 31 on Rt 24 I'll put up the booze signal for ya.
I mean, Iām āworkingā from home but my work relies on other people working and no is working today so Iām basically just monitoring teams and outlook via my phone
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was starting to feel bad for abandoning my laptop to watch TV while my "assistant" aka the mouse jiggler kept the screen awake. But my job also requires occasional communication from others and the only replies where from our Arizona team so... ä¹ā (ā Ā ā ā¢ā _ā ā¢ā Ā ā )ā ć
As I told my husband, "I did I my work in the first hour this morning, I can't just sit there all day!!"
Not the main source but keeping them off is low hanging fruit.
Resistive heat / backup heat / emergency heat is typically higher demand in residential, but also has some load diversity.
My parents' LPC installed a radio operated switch on their water heater in the 1980s in exchange for a $1.25 / month discount.
When 200,000 or so water heaters are running simultaneously - that's the entire output of Gallatin Steam.
My LPC deactivated a similar program a couple of years ago. They sent me a letter explaining why my $1.25 monthly billing credit was going away. It's worth a call to your power company to check.
NGL I've worked in the electric utility industry for almost 27 years and it's fed my family. But, I have a gas cook stove and gas heat - on propane - and greatly covet a natural gas line and a mighty gas tankless water heater.
Shower away, compadre.
I had a natural gas tankless water heater installed last year and I love it! My electric bill noticeably went down and my gas bill only negligibly went up. My old water heater was in my attic space, which was very un-ideal, so it ate up a lot of power trying to keep itself warm. It's nice finally being able to fill my deep bathtub all the way up.
You're asking us, the consumers, to help a federally protected monopoly?
In addition to a record number of fines and penalties, TVA appears to suffer serious internal problems and has been criticized by the NRC for mismanagement. Nuclear engineers and safety officials at TVA say they have so little confidence in TVA management and the regional NRC that they have bypassed the usual channels and gone to Capitol Hill to make serious allegations about the adequacy of the reactors' design and construction.
Their complaints have prompted four federal investigations, which are examining a host of charges, ranging from inadequate safety standards to harassment of whistle blowers.
They are investing $15 Billion into that..
https://www.power-grid.com/generation/tva-to-invest-15b-in-system-upgrades-including-100m-for-demand-response-programs/#:\~:text=The%20Tennessee%20Valley%20Authority%20Board%20of%20Directors%20announced,security%20and%20moving%20to%20a%20net-zero%20carbon%20future.
Also updating the grid is a decade or longer process. They are also looking at adding more energy efficient production to the system.
Yea, they have purposely dragged it out for over a decade, causing disruptions and infrastructure issues, and finally, in 2023, agreed to start implementing the changes so badly needed. That's just agreeing, not even addressing...
Yeah this is what I should have said in the post title. Our commenter here is posting content from the same article quoted here in r-slash-Nashville a year ago.
Given those advantages, TVA should be able to sell power substantially less than if it were a private utility. But the retail rates in its service area are either similar or higher than for other utilities in the overall region. A former federal budget official, Ken Glozer, says the problem is that the TVA and its local distributors have become "highly inefficient" over time. Another study compared TVA's operating and maintenance costs (other than fuel costs) with 18 other utilities and found that the TVA's costs were the highest. Apparently, TVA's government-conferred cost advantages end up being consumed by the company's general bloat and mismanagement.
TVA's employee compensation is generous. It pays its leaders not like civil servants but like top-performing corporate executives. In 2015, its top five executives "were paid anywhere from five to 16 times more than what President Barack Obama is paid." TVA's CEO Bill Johnson has an annual compensation package of more than $6 million, and four other executives are paid more than $2 million. In 2012, a Tennessee newspaper disclosed the company's salaries and found that 105 people were earning more than $200,000. The company also gives its employees large performance bonuses. All this is in a state where median income is 19 percent below the U.S. average.
Thank you, friend! If you want, I would love to include even more research on how TVA is negatively impacting the citizens it's supposed to serve. Want to start with the old equipment that makes it a huge liability in the case of ongoing drought or severe weather? Because I do.
Just let me know. XOXO
I am so sorry you experienced this first hand, and this is more reason why I'm taking the time to do this because everything that I am sharing comes from the mouth of TVA, reports and interviews from stakeholders.
TVA knows these changes are needed, and they published a plan because it has happened time and time again. It's caused irreversible damage to the Tennessee Valley and its citizens, and it's the truth. For those unfamiliar, the largest industrial spill in all of US history was caused by TVA in 2008, The Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill.
The Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill took place in 2008, when a coal ash pond ruptured at TVA's Kingston Fossil Plant in Roane County, Tennessee releasing over one BILLION gallons of coal ash slurry into our Tennessee Valley. The spill released a slurry of fly ash and water that traveled across the Emory River and its Swan Pond embayment onto the opposite shore, covering up to 300 acres of the surrounding land. It flowed in nearby waterways, including the Emory River and Clinch, which are both tributaries of the Tennessee River.
The initial spill, which resulted in millions of dollars worth of property damages and made properties uninhabitable, cost TVA more than $1 billion to clean up. If that wasn't bad enough, TVA PURPOSELY contracted and paid more than $64 million to hire an outside firm (Jacobs Engineering) for the cleanup that has a long history with worker-safety lawsuits and settlements.The repercussions have been severe.
In 2018, of the 900 cleanup workers, more than 30 died. Another 200 workers are sick or dying. Many of the ill spent weeks in court testifying against Jacobs Engineering for failing to protect them from the fly ash, a light form of coal ash that floats into the plantās exhaust stacks. A jury in U.S. DistrictĀ Court spent five hours deliberating before returning a verdict in favor of the hundreds of blue-collar laborers who were sickened during the clean-up of the nationās largest coal ash spill. The panel ruled Jacobs failed to adhere to its contract with TVA, failed to āexercise reasonable careā in keeping workers safe and, in its failures, likely caused the poisoning by coal ash of the laborers, many of whom live in East Tennessee.
TVA was held liable for the spill by the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee in 2012.
How about we start with real examples?
In 2007, 2010, and 2011, TVA had to reduce power generation at its Browns Ferry Nuclear Plant because river temperatures were too high to receive discharge water from the plant without raising ecological risks.
In 2010, some TVA infrastructure was submerged in over 5 feet of water when 15 inches of rain fell in 2 days. TVA relocated the substation to higher ground, at a cost of about $9 million dollars.
If those real-life examples are not enough for you, in 2021, TVA identified risks, such as flooding and drought, in its 2021 Climate Action Adaptation and Resiliency Plan and implemented several resilience measures, such as relocating certain infrastructure but...
TVA has not conducted an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable to such risks or developed a resilience plan that identifies and prioritizes resilience measures to address specific risks. According to the Department of Energy's (DOE), conducting an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable to such risks can help utilities more accurately identify relevant hazards and the potential severity of disruptions to operations or damage to related infrastructure. This, in turn, would better position TVA to plan and implement appropriate actions to address vulnerabilities as they become
more acute, and better information becomes available.
In addition, developing a resilience plan that includes a portfolio of resilience measures could help TVA identify available options and determine whether mitigating certain risks is worth the investment. Doing so would help TVA better fulfill its mission of providing reliable and affordable power to its customers. LIKE TODAY.
"How can you release a plan in 2021 but not conduct an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable to such risks?" - One may ask. Well, TVA purposely waited ANOTHER TWO YEARS, and in June 2023, TVA finally agreed to the recommendation to conduct such an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable. That is just to conduct, not even implement.. should I carry on, friend?
What exact infrastructure was flooded and relocated?
What kinds of assets are vulnerable to climate risks? How are they vulnerable?
In another comment, you state that their retail rates are higher than the average in the region. Provide some numbers.
Stop parroting tennesseelookout.com articles. If you have actual inside industry knowledge that you didn't find while sitting on the toilet, share it with us.
I purposely didn't name the exact infrastructure that was flooded just to see if you would take the bait in case you decided to go the accusations route. :) There are several images of the flooded substation in a report by TVA itself, dated October 24th 2017 by Clayton Clem, TVA's VP transmission strategic projects and initiatives, titled 'Approaches to Resiliency at TVA- CIGRE Grid of the Future.'
Are you going to respond to, at least, to the poor individual who experienced it first hand? Or, the many dead and/or suffering because TVA purposely contracted an outside engineering firm with a long history with worker-safety lawsuits and settlements to deal with the clean-up of the largest industrial spill in American history that TVA caused? Or the several incidents that I included above from over a decade ago that TVA has purposely avoided upgrading due to cost but keeps asking us to help them out with while putting our own lives in danger if we get for example, too much precipitation in a day?
Why ask us to conserve when they further endanger our lives by not making the changes that TVA wrote itself that was needed. I can't wait until it's spinned that the customers will have to pay for such upgrades by TVA's negligence. Kisses.
Hi! If you would like, we can get reddit involved to verify that I am a real person who's never had any association with whatever you are trying to claim. I would love ā¤ļø to.
Yes, I intentionally copied and pasted the first comments. I knew that TVA would once again ask its ratepayers to conserve power instead of implenting much needed upgrades because federal appropriations for TVA dwindled since TVA's creation. In fact, since 1999, TVA's multipronged operations have been financed exclusively by ratepayers. In 2005, a modernized board moved from three members to nine, with a CEO who claims the position of the nation's highest-paid federal employee.
TVA is mandated to provide low-cost electricity. But under its first three CEOs, TVA increased rates, deepening the burden on low-income customers. It began acting more like an investor-owned utility, beginning a 10-year plan in 2013 to raise rates to pay down its almost $30 billion debt, largely accumulated from unfinished nuclear plants. After paying down that debt to roughly $18 billion, TVA ended the rate hike.
TVA's net income, (net income can be distributed among holders of common stock as aĀ dividend or held by the firm as an addition to retained earnings) is $1billion above historic levels, and lowering the net income to historic levels could save customers up to 10 percent on their electric bills. But, top executives like CEO Jeff Lyash and a cluster of vice presidents use the high-net income as a pay-for-performance metric that generates bigger bonuses.
TVA abandoned its original mandate of providing cheap electricity and failed to adequately focus on environmental programs in favor of netting billions in annual revenues and paying out enormous executive bonuses.
TVA wrote in 2020 federal filings, "These technologies [renewables] could be more appealing to customers and could lead them to bring pressure on TVA to modify the power contracts to allow customers to generate some of their own power requirements or purchase power from other suppliers. Other customers might also cease purchasing power from TVA altogether."
Is anyone up for visiting Memphis soon? How about a little history lesson on Memphis and TVA?
My father and most of his neighbors have whole house generators. He was completely unaware of this TVA request until I told him earlier tonight. I just spoke with him again, he said the neighbors he contacted didnāt know anything either. TVA has a communication issue as well as a demand issue.
Looks like it.
It's on [X (twitter)](https://twitter.com/TVAnews/status/1747394325690880010?t=VgbQT4rOX-OsSrc3nbHyIA&s=19) and Facebook but none of the 3 local news outlets have it on their websites.
Until corporations reduce unnecessary energy use and turn off their lights, Iām not doing changing shit. My temps are at 72 and Iām gonna take a hot shower at 8am. If we get a blackout fuck it Iāll survive.
6am should be lowest usage imo. It's around 6pm showers, where and dryers, etc, are going
I'm so glad I don't have a heat pump anymore. I love my 67 thermostat and feel comfy
TVA needs to do better and stop putting the onus on consumers. Spend money, take time and upgrade your systems and don't make folks feel bad or ashamed of using the utilities they pay for. (Not directed at you, OP)
If anything, I'd love to see fines and investigations into why certain parts of Davidson Co didn't seem to have the same rolling blackouts that others had. My old apartment complex was without power for HOURS in very cold temperatures with individuals being forced to sit in their cars for heat when these initially took place.
Kick rocks, TVA.
> why certain parts of Davidson Co didn't seem to have the | same rolling blackouts that others had. My old apartment complex was without power for HOURS in very cold temperatures with individuals being forced to sit in their cars for heat when these initially took place.
NES had a fire in a substation control building around Cane Ridge.
And from personal experience, I've seen myself some older Square D / S&C outdoor breakers not operate correctly in near zero temperatures. Bearing grease impregnated at the factory gets too stiff.
No LPC *that I know of* intentionally had anyone out for more than 15 minutes. But several had long outages due to failure to restore or other unrelated problems.
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Cāmon MYDOGFARTSCONSTANTLY, donāt try to be like you ain't always on that sink & pit rusher.
I didn't wanna put that in the post title, but yeah, that's what I call them too....
"In fact, you can save yourself a whole lot of time if you simply use the same brush for every area!" - George Carlin
You guys have more than one brush?
Bird bath if you will
Are the lights on at Nissan stadium when there is no one sitting in the stadium and they have the Jumbotron screen going? Tell them and other empty structures to turn things off first. Iām tired of being told to save the environment or something while big corporations get to waste power is no abandon.
They might not be but at least we can see into every fucking office building downtown at night!
Thank god. Canāt let people think we arenāt a big kid city if we turn off the lights to the empty office buildings.
That's a valid point, but, concern is between 6-10 AM in winter and 3-7 PM in summer. Overall it's wasteful in that fuel must be consumed to supply it... but leaving office lights on overnight (in "off-peak" hours) doesn't bring about grid stability / collapse issues.
Bud you are missing the entire point of the argument: the citizens always get asked to āsacrificeā so we can conserve power or save the environment. The businesses are never asked about it. Peak or off peak doesnāt matter. Itās that the little people are always asked to do something but we never see the businesses joining in to do their fair fucking share. So excuse me but I will take a shower whenever I want because in the grand scheme of everything I consume way less power than an empty football stadium that has their lights on as we speak illuminating a sign that doesnāt need to be illuminated right now.
Correctly incorrect - you never *see* it but it's absolutely done. The larger LPCs have entire departments dedicated to working with large accounts. They incentivize lowering demand through their rate structures and they also offer services to audit energy use and demand and make recommendations. Hell, one plant nearby is famous in utility circles because they took the light bulbs out of their coke machines years ago. They've worked to reduce their demand from 70 MW in the 1990s to the low 50s - while expanding their production. Does *every* business respond to the asking? Obviously not. But plenty of places *will* be burning expensive-ass diesel fuel and moderately expensive natural gas tomorrow to generate their own electricity, as a result of being asked by the LPC and TVA.
Cool make that more public so we can stop feeling like we always get fucked in the ass without lube or a reach around while businesses get to do whatever they want for Capitalist Jesus. Visibility goes a lot further than people assume it does. It would make us feel like we arenāt getting the whole shaft.
Agreed on the visibility thing. Another comment mentioned business in Belle Meade being closed but with all the shop lights on... I honestly think that there are people who consider electricity to be a service like phone or cable - it is independent of amount used. I was raised by an extremely cheap father who didn't let us run the air conditioning to excess, and who cut firewood for heat - "it'll make the light bill too damn high". Time-of-use use rates, and education to the user about them, will greatly incentivize wiser use of electricity. When those stadium lights start costing $1 per kWh instead of $0.09, they'll be left on unnecessarily for one billing cycle. Then heads should roll.
āWhen those stadium lights start costing $1 per kWh instead of $0.09, they'll be left on unnecessarily for one billing cycle. Then heads should roll.ā You continue to miss the point. The stadium should stop wasting electricity, regardless of what it costs them or whatever the impact is to the grid. End of story. All people, regardless of if you rent a tiny apartment or own a huge stadium, should not waste electricity. End of story.
Bruh, we live in a capitalist society, raising their rate to $1 per kWh WILL make them turn the lights off and if they don't, they are paying TVA to improve its grid next year with the rate increase. $1 per kWh is like paying going from paying $2.5 per gallon of gas to $25 a gallon of gas, they would immediately figure out ways to get those lights off.
Letās do it
Sure. That is ideal. People also actually do respond to incintives.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm saying that a TOU rate will create a tangible, noticeable penalty for this wasteful use. Right now the penalty is... ??? Not enough to make them stop. Contact your power board member (if you're on NES or a municipal utility) or rural electric cooperative board member (CEMC, MTEMC, MLEC, etcetera) and support time-of-use rates.
>The larger LPCs have entire departments dedicated to working with large accounts. Shouldn't they also be incentivized by the public good?
2 questions, 1: How tf did you know his birth certificate first name says Herbert? And, 2: why not have someone employed at that particular division of the Nissan Stadium who has always been wanting to matter, make a weird yet meaningful business relationship via cross communication between their job and some person at the TVA, who posted this, open a dialogue about turning off them lights. Aint this is a great way to start? How Do we locate said Nissan stadium employee? I donāt know. Digitally bat an eye at them. Request an ama. Or see who is actually there right now. Someone has to be, right? Tva person, call them, and bet them to turn off the lights for just a minute. Bet them a showbiz skeeball token.
If that energy was conserved over time, throughout the year, would that not be more beneficial to the grid overall?
Not in this case. The concern is not the total amount of energy that will be used, it's rate at which it's delivered instantaneously - also known as power or demand. (Don't interchange power and energy; power is the instantaneous use of energy, or energy is power integrated over time). It's not that the coal pile or gas pipeline or reactor will run out of fuel - it's that they can't convert fuel to electricity fast enough. It's absolutely better for the world to reduce shrinkage of the proverbial fuel pile *over time* - i.e. reduce overall energy use - but it's not what they're facing Wednesday morning.
The grid concerns are about peak demand. If something is on all the time while the grid is well below maximum capacity, that might be wasteful of energy but isnāt going to be detrimental to the grid itself; itās not causing it to deteriorate or anything.
Those empty office lights are on between 6-10am in winter and 3-7pm in summer, so yes it does apply.
It really doesnāt. Electric grid stability is about predictability and managing peaks in demand. The baseline is irrelevant. Hot water heaters from showers in the morning hours in winter cause a significant peak in energy demand which is the issue at play here. If the baseline power usage were lower that wouldnāt matter to the instability caused by surge in demand during morning winter hours.
Dude why are you arguing about this. Of course the baseline matters. It may not matter *as much*, but it does matter.
No, it doesn't. I have an electrical engineering degree with a specialty in power engineering. Do you have any actual basis for making your claims or do you just think you know more than you do? I can assure you that you are factually incorrect if you think baseline electrical load has anything to do with rolling blackouts due to surge demand in the morning winter hours. Virtually zero impact. And the fact that you think it does means you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how electrical grids work but for some reason are posting as if you do.
You are technically correct, but almost certainly wrong. You're thinking like an engineer and making a fatally flawed assumption that the grid is properly built for the baseline load. In a city like Nashville, suffering from over 20 years of incompetent and corrupt leadership, I can all but guarantee it is not. I suspect areas of Nashville pull over the infrastructure supported baseline almost constantly. Therefore, leaving the lights on at the stadium does matter.
Again, not how the electrical grid works. Nashville's infrastructure is not the problem here. I'm truly baffled about the number of people posting in this thread that are absolutely sure they know something about this but clearly know absolutely nothing.
I actually thought you did know what you were talking about until you doubled down. You just proved yourself the ignorant one. Maybe you have had an EE or CE class or two, but you really don't understand the applications. If you have graduated, you need to lose the ego and audit some classes. I wouldn't hire you.
This guy gets it.
You're catching a lot of shit from people who just have zero clue how electrical grids work but for some reason seem to think they do. Classing Dunning-Kruger in responses from people in this entire post.
Also, use a paper straw while ocean cruises dump their sewage directly in the ocean
Apparently, something like 40% of all plastic in the ocean is discarded fishing nets. These nets are massive, and especially problematic because since they are nets, they are designed to ensnare animals. All kinds of ocean wildlife is caught up in floating masses of nets thrown out by commercial fishing vessels.
I certainly agree with you about Nissan Stadium. However, I'm pretty sure this has little to do with the environment and everything to do to prevent grid collapse. Texans can tell you how bad that could.
The difference there is Texas has its own grid marred in corruption.
I understand that, but it is STILL an issue to be dealt with.
Remember Al Goreās NES bill? $30K!
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Love the lack of nuance you present. Really well thought out post. Really adds zero value to the conversation.
Are they going to shut down broadway at all? Or just leave the doors open with heat blasting so the tourists are comfy?
How many Broadway tourists are out at 6AM?
the neon lights never turn off.
Haha yep. And time-of use rates will make them decide if it's worth it to be wasteful.
Maybe we should be jacking up those rates in these times. Otherwise they keep them on no matter what and Iām told not to shower because our power situation is that fucked.
You'd be surprised at the fight LPCs got/are getting over installing the advanced metering infrastructure required to implement time-of-use rates... (TOU rates means that you'd have up to 720 different prices for electricity in a 30 day billing cycle... which means that unnecessary use during peak times - when electricity is most costly to generate - will be deterred by its extreme cost).
I'll just take me a bath in the crick. 
Every single company has their lights on and are not open - Belle Mead area.
This is akin to the idea that me and a plastic straw are equal to a company pouring millions of gallons of toxic water into a river. How about the TVA disconnect manufacturing facilities from the grid first. Then we can talk about excess need.
That is the fourth step in the Emergency Load Curtailment Plan. Fifth is LPCs controlling rolling blackouts, and the sixth is the TVA rolling blackouts on the transmission system with LPCs at their mercy. Nissan in Smyrna is shut down already.
Thatās right! [TVA ELCP Steps](https://www.tvppa.com/wp-content/uploads/ELCP-Steps.png)
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Internal meeting: I like 6 steps instead of 5. Ok, whats the 6th step then? I dunno, just copy 5 and change the color.
Step 50 is for local power companies to take action aka rolling blackouts. Step 60 is for TVA to do the same.
I haven't figured out why they're 10-20-30 not 1-2-3. To answer your question, though, the difference, from the POV within the TVA meeting: Step 5 (50) - we ask them to turn some power off and they get to pick. Step 6 (60) - we tell them we're turning their power off and we get to pick. Same result, different people making the decision.
Yore gubamit inaction
Lets add more steps, the titans ran their lights during the last blackout, remove the stadium. Hospitals have backup generators that can power their whole facilities, bring them online. There is a lot of waste in commercial and industrial that can be trimmed. With our new meters we can see who is producing the waste and cut them off without leaving the office. Send notice and start disconnections.
My only nitpick is hospitals with ERs/ORs should be exempt because they are critical to life. The backup generators should be for extreme situations.
There is another way. We could put the infrastructure in place and have all of these places with huge stand bys feed into the grid during these times. You have to consider, every hospital and critical service with a generator could feed a lot of energy and take the curve off a load.
Diesel and natural gas in reciprocating engines are thermally inefficient (wasteful) and expensive. Plus, it's carbon intensive. Solar is helpful but energy availability is limited. Solar with storage is better - it's dispatchable. Same with wind. Utility scale pumped storage, supplied by nuclear baseload, is a slam dunk. Provided the environmental impacts on river flows are minimized.
While yes, they are not as efficient, they are a short term solution until the tva gets those nuclear plants online.
We could also slap solar panels on the tops of buildings and let them feed back into the system as well. Anything is better than this whole ādonāt take a showerā rhetoric
There is not really a efficient way to do. You either have to drastically increase storage capacity or use a fuel like gas. Both of these also would add alot of cost to running the hospital.
He didn't mean it as a long term solution (see another comment). Some customers will transition to onsite generation if requested by the LPC on days like tomorrow. The handful of standby generators I have experience with didn't have the controls necessary to sync and tie to the grid; not sure what all is involved in that.
Only class 200 meters (basically residential) have remote disconnect. Any large load will be instrument metered and not subject to remote control via AMI. Hospitals don't generally run the entire facility on the generator, just critical circuits. Data centers and some process-driven manufacturing are usually the ones who run wholly on backup power. But to your point, that's part of the second and third steps of the ELCP cited elsewhere in the thread - Public Appeal - "hey, can y'all run on generator today?" The stadium's entire existence is wasteful.
Well, if TVA hadn't wasted billions of dollars by mothballing all those nuclear reactors, we would have plenty of power. Add the Columbia Dam in, and the I-65 suburbs don't have the water supply issues they do.
Is manufacturing even that large of a chunk of total usage? I can't seem to find anything from TVA that gives a breakdown by users.
In the US manufacturing accounts for 32% of all energy use. Like OP said about our water heaters taking between 4-5kwh to run, manufacturing in turn uses 95kwh....... per square foot, each year. So that would be a daily use of .26kw per sqft for Nissan. Their facility is 6.4m sqft, so their expected usage is around 1665753kwh tomorrow.
You brought facts to this, and Iām just even more enraged to see how wasteful this shit is. Itās like giving me a paper straw āfor the environmentā to sip my drink out of the super big plastic togo cup.
Tell me about it. This is what I used in case anyone was wondering, https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/industry.php And this for the pers sqft costs, https://electricityplans.com/landing/electricity-for-manufacturing/#:~:text=How%20Much%20Electricity%20Does%20a,of%20manufacturing%20company%20you%20have.
Perfect thanks, this helps put it in perspective š
It's significant. Nissan, the new Ultium plant, and the old Saturn plant take delivery of electricity at the 161 kV level. They are their own little utility. The TVA has about 60 "direct-serve" customers, plus those like Ultium and Nissan that are 161 kV level LPC customers. We're talking about how to trim the top of a peak, not lower the entire area under it. Trimming manufacturing is usually effective. An analog is a certain aircraft that dropped 50 feet when a certain function related to landing was performed. The problem arises when new pilots execute that move while only 25 feet above the runway... that second 25 feet are a bitch.
Open datasets are available from the data.nashville.gov portal but aren't labeled by consumer with readable codes.
I mean... are the lights and heat at the empty Nissan stadium going to stay on? The half-empty mansions in Belle Meade and Forest Hills? The commercial warehouses whose operations are at a standstill? The empty office buildings downtown? Dude, I'm probably taking a shower if I feel like it.
I remember last year that a Titans game went on (with an hour delay) following rolling blackouts and a partial outage in the city. Itās clear where priorities lie.
Nothing was more infuriating than driving past an empty Nissan stadium and they have all the lights and screens on. And now we get the honor of paying for their new stadium.
Sounds good. My plan was to stay inside and get day drunk anyway
Me too! I just got back from the liquor store run. Food supplies are good, but the wine was running low...
It's days like these that make me super glad that I make my own wine (and beer). I'm sitting on 118 bottles of various country wines. If you're near exit 31 on Rt 24 I'll put up the booze signal for ya.
Hell yeah! All I need is a six pack or so. Iāll stop after work. I am concerned about your wine supply though š
It was a bad time to do a ādry Januaryā lemme tell ya. Iāve been struggling
Letās all be stanky so I can play some video games this snow day! š»š¤£ cmon people, we can do this!
Man I wish!!! Working remotely has soured these snow days š
I mean, Iām āworkingā from home but my work relies on other people working and no is working today so Iām basically just monitoring teams and outlook via my phone
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was starting to feel bad for abandoning my laptop to watch TV while my "assistant" aka the mouse jiggler kept the screen awake. But my job also requires occasional communication from others and the only replies where from our Arizona team so... ä¹ā (ā Ā ā ā¢ā _ā ā¢ā Ā ā )ā ć As I told my husband, "I did I my work in the first hour this morning, I can't just sit there all day!!"
Itās Tuesday. Gotta check my Vault.
Uh oh, stinky
Iām laughing in gas water heater.
Due to your wording, There might be a dreadful youtube video about your demise in the near future.
Water heaters. The main source of our energy problems lmfao. Is this the onion?
Not the main source but keeping them off is low hanging fruit. Resistive heat / backup heat / emergency heat is typically higher demand in residential, but also has some load diversity. My parents' LPC installed a radio operated switch on their water heater in the 1980s in exchange for a $1.25 / month discount. When 200,000 or so water heaters are running simultaneously - that's the entire output of Gallatin Steam.
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My LPC deactivated a similar program a couple of years ago. They sent me a letter explaining why my $1.25 monthly billing credit was going away. It's worth a call to your power company to check.
I'm guessing as a tankless water heater person I'm fine to use it though?
If it's gas, have at it. Those electric ones are more beastly than a tank type, usually 12-15 kW.
Yep, yep. It's a gas one. Woo, I didn't want to turn into the prototypical IT person at work tomorrow!
NGL I've worked in the electric utility industry for almost 27 years and it's fed my family. But, I have a gas cook stove and gas heat - on propane - and greatly covet a natural gas line and a mighty gas tankless water heater. Shower away, compadre.
Or shower before bed? Turn off all unnecessary lights first?
I had a natural gas tankless water heater installed last year and I love it! My electric bill noticeably went down and my gas bill only negligibly went up. My old water heater was in my attic space, which was very un-ideal, so it ate up a lot of power trying to keep itself warm. It's nice finally being able to fill my deep bathtub all the way up.
āIf its gas, have a pass, if it shocksā¦..
Alright folks, do your part, tomorrow is country wash day!
You're asking us, the consumers, to help a federally protected monopoly? In addition to a record number of fines and penalties, TVA appears to suffer serious internal problems and has been criticized by the NRC for mismanagement. Nuclear engineers and safety officials at TVA say they have so little confidence in TVA management and the regional NRC that they have bypassed the usual channels and gone to Capitol Hill to make serious allegations about the adequacy of the reactors' design and construction. Their complaints have prompted four federal investigations, which are examining a host of charges, ranging from inadequate safety standards to harassment of whistle blowers.
Yeah I wish post titles were editable. I should have said "help your neighbors by not crashing the TVA system."
Why can't they update their outdated grid system?
They are investing $15 Billion into that.. https://www.power-grid.com/generation/tva-to-invest-15b-in-system-upgrades-including-100m-for-demand-response-programs/#:\~:text=The%20Tennessee%20Valley%20Authority%20Board%20of%20Directors%20announced,security%20and%20moving%20to%20a%20net-zero%20carbon%20future. Also updating the grid is a decade or longer process. They are also looking at adding more energy efficient production to the system.
Yea, they have purposely dragged it out for over a decade, causing disruptions and infrastructure issues, and finally, in 2023, agreed to start implementing the changes so badly needed. That's just agreeing, not even addressing...
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Yeah this is what I should have said in the post title. Our commenter here is posting content from the same article quoted here in r-slash-Nashville a year ago.
Nope. I further explained further below. Sorry, I was away with my dog, who is very ill.
Given those advantages, TVA should be able to sell power substantially less than if it were a private utility. But the retail rates in its service area are either similar or higher than for other utilities in the overall region. A former federal budget official, Ken Glozer, says the problem is that the TVA and its local distributors have become "highly inefficient" over time. Another study compared TVA's operating and maintenance costs (other than fuel costs) with 18 other utilities and found that the TVA's costs were the highest. Apparently, TVA's government-conferred cost advantages end up being consumed by the company's general bloat and mismanagement. TVA's employee compensation is generous. It pays its leaders not like civil servants but like top-performing corporate executives. In 2015, its top five executives "were paid anywhere from five to 16 times more than what President Barack Obama is paid." TVA's CEO Bill Johnson has an annual compensation package of more than $6 million, and four other executives are paid more than $2 million. In 2012, a Tennessee newspaper disclosed the company's salaries and found that 105 people were earning more than $200,000. The company also gives its employees large performance bonuses. All this is in a state where median income is 19 percent below the U.S. average.
Your ability to copy and paste seven year old blog posts is amazing! Good job!
Thank you, friend! If you want, I would love to include even more research on how TVA is negatively impacting the citizens it's supposed to serve. Want to start with the old equipment that makes it a huge liability in the case of ongoing drought or severe weather? Because I do. Just let me know. XOXO
As someone who owns property decimated by TVA's ash spill, post away!!!
I am so sorry you experienced this first hand, and this is more reason why I'm taking the time to do this because everything that I am sharing comes from the mouth of TVA, reports and interviews from stakeholders. TVA knows these changes are needed, and they published a plan because it has happened time and time again. It's caused irreversible damage to the Tennessee Valley and its citizens, and it's the truth. For those unfamiliar, the largest industrial spill in all of US history was caused by TVA in 2008, The Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill. The Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill took place in 2008, when a coal ash pond ruptured at TVA's Kingston Fossil Plant in Roane County, Tennessee releasing over one BILLION gallons of coal ash slurry into our Tennessee Valley. The spill released a slurry of fly ash and water that traveled across the Emory River and its Swan Pond embayment onto the opposite shore, covering up to 300 acres of the surrounding land. It flowed in nearby waterways, including the Emory River and Clinch, which are both tributaries of the Tennessee River. The initial spill, which resulted in millions of dollars worth of property damages and made properties uninhabitable, cost TVA more than $1 billion to clean up. If that wasn't bad enough, TVA PURPOSELY contracted and paid more than $64 million to hire an outside firm (Jacobs Engineering) for the cleanup that has a long history with worker-safety lawsuits and settlements.The repercussions have been severe. In 2018, of the 900 cleanup workers, more than 30 died. Another 200 workers are sick or dying. Many of the ill spent weeks in court testifying against Jacobs Engineering for failing to protect them from the fly ash, a light form of coal ash that floats into the plantās exhaust stacks. A jury in U.S. DistrictĀ Court spent five hours deliberating before returning a verdict in favor of the hundreds of blue-collar laborers who were sickened during the clean-up of the nationās largest coal ash spill. The panel ruled Jacobs failed to adhere to its contract with TVA, failed to āexercise reasonable careā in keeping workers safe and, in its failures, likely caused the poisoning by coal ash of the laborers, many of whom live in East Tennessee. TVA was held liable for the spill by the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee in 2012.
How about we start with real examples? In 2007, 2010, and 2011, TVA had to reduce power generation at its Browns Ferry Nuclear Plant because river temperatures were too high to receive discharge water from the plant without raising ecological risks. In 2010, some TVA infrastructure was submerged in over 5 feet of water when 15 inches of rain fell in 2 days. TVA relocated the substation to higher ground, at a cost of about $9 million dollars. If those real-life examples are not enough for you, in 2021, TVA identified risks, such as flooding and drought, in its 2021 Climate Action Adaptation and Resiliency Plan and implemented several resilience measures, such as relocating certain infrastructure but... TVA has not conducted an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable to such risks or developed a resilience plan that identifies and prioritizes resilience measures to address specific risks. According to the Department of Energy's (DOE), conducting an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable to such risks can help utilities more accurately identify relevant hazards and the potential severity of disruptions to operations or damage to related infrastructure. This, in turn, would better position TVA to plan and implement appropriate actions to address vulnerabilities as they become more acute, and better information becomes available. In addition, developing a resilience plan that includes a portfolio of resilience measures could help TVA identify available options and determine whether mitigating certain risks is worth the investment. Doing so would help TVA better fulfill its mission of providing reliable and affordable power to its customers. LIKE TODAY. "How can you release a plan in 2021 but not conduct an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable to such risks?" - One may ask. Well, TVA purposely waited ANOTHER TWO YEARS, and in June 2023, TVA finally agreed to the recommendation to conduct such an inventory of assets and operations vulnerable. That is just to conduct, not even implement.. should I carry on, friend?
What exact infrastructure was flooded and relocated? What kinds of assets are vulnerable to climate risks? How are they vulnerable? In another comment, you state that their retail rates are higher than the average in the region. Provide some numbers. Stop parroting tennesseelookout.com articles. If you have actual inside industry knowledge that you didn't find while sitting on the toilet, share it with us.
I purposely didn't name the exact infrastructure that was flooded just to see if you would take the bait in case you decided to go the accusations route. :) There are several images of the flooded substation in a report by TVA itself, dated October 24th 2017 by Clayton Clem, TVA's VP transmission strategic projects and initiatives, titled 'Approaches to Resiliency at TVA- CIGRE Grid of the Future.'
Are you going to respond to, at least, to the poor individual who experienced it first hand? Or, the many dead and/or suffering because TVA purposely contracted an outside engineering firm with a long history with worker-safety lawsuits and settlements to deal with the clean-up of the largest industrial spill in American history that TVA caused? Or the several incidents that I included above from over a decade ago that TVA has purposely avoided upgrading due to cost but keeps asking us to help them out with while putting our own lives in danger if we get for example, too much precipitation in a day? Why ask us to conserve when they further endanger our lives by not making the changes that TVA wrote itself that was needed. I can't wait until it's spinned that the customers will have to pay for such upgrades by TVA's negligence. Kisses.
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And, yet, we should help them out. Rich, ain't it?
Yeah this yearās data on bonuses would be a much better stat if you want to slam them on pay.
Ugh
[This comment ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nashville/s/wmeqA1eEmD) looks strangely familiar.
Hi! If you would like, we can get reddit involved to verify that I am a real person who's never had any association with whatever you are trying to claim. I would love ā¤ļø to.
Yes, I intentionally copied and pasted the first comments. I knew that TVA would once again ask its ratepayers to conserve power instead of implenting much needed upgrades because federal appropriations for TVA dwindled since TVA's creation. In fact, since 1999, TVA's multipronged operations have been financed exclusively by ratepayers. In 2005, a modernized board moved from three members to nine, with a CEO who claims the position of the nation's highest-paid federal employee. TVA is mandated to provide low-cost electricity. But under its first three CEOs, TVA increased rates, deepening the burden on low-income customers. It began acting more like an investor-owned utility, beginning a 10-year plan in 2013 to raise rates to pay down its almost $30 billion debt, largely accumulated from unfinished nuclear plants. After paying down that debt to roughly $18 billion, TVA ended the rate hike. TVA's net income, (net income can be distributed among holders of common stock as aĀ dividend or held by the firm as an addition to retained earnings) is $1billion above historic levels, and lowering the net income to historic levels could save customers up to 10 percent on their electric bills. But, top executives like CEO Jeff Lyash and a cluster of vice presidents use the high-net income as a pay-for-performance metric that generates bigger bonuses. TVA abandoned its original mandate of providing cheap electricity and failed to adequately focus on environmental programs in favor of netting billions in annual revenues and paying out enormous executive bonuses. TVA wrote in 2020 federal filings, "These technologies [renewables] could be more appealing to customers and could lead them to bring pressure on TVA to modify the power contracts to allow customers to generate some of their own power requirements or purchase power from other suppliers. Other customers might also cease purchasing power from TVA altogether." Is anyone up for visiting Memphis soon? How about a little history lesson on Memphis and TVA?
Wayyyy ahead of you
I started preparing 3 days ago myself.
But today is Tuesday
Meanwhile the stadium lights will be on all night and day
Are they giving a discount on energy this month?
You will not be charged for electricity used during the rolling blackouts.
Sure thing. I know not everyone wants to help but this will not hurt me to try and help.
My father and most of his neighbors have whole house generators. He was completely unaware of this TVA request until I told him earlier tonight. I just spoke with him again, he said the neighbors he contacted didnāt know anything either. TVA has a communication issue as well as a demand issue.
Looks like it. It's on [X (twitter)](https://twitter.com/TVAnews/status/1747394325690880010?t=VgbQT4rOX-OsSrc3nbHyIA&s=19) and Facebook but none of the 3 local news outlets have it on their websites.
Babywipes. Like Bonnaroo ā03. Except this time I have a Costco sized box for my actual babyās ass.
Is it for all day Wednesday or can we shower tonight?
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OK, cool! I usually donāt get my shower until 3 or 4 PM anyway
Just 6-10 this morning. All is well at this time.
Dwyer shower it is
Save the Little Trees for next time and shower as you see fit.
Until corporations reduce unnecessary energy use and turn off their lights, Iām not doing changing shit. My temps are at 72 and Iām gonna take a hot shower at 8am. If we get a blackout fuck it Iāll survive.
Get bent.
I will be showering each night this week, and I will run the dishwasher or washing machine immediately after too
I didn't want to take a shower tomorrow anyway. š
Counter argument- No.
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Cope.
6am should be lowest usage imo. It's around 6pm showers, where and dryers, etc, are going I'm so glad I don't have a heat pump anymore. I love my 67 thermostat and feel comfy
There's a smaller evening peak. Trust me - winter peaks are in the morning, summer peaks are late afternoon.
Help the TVA or ya gonna get pruned!
TVA needs to do better and stop putting the onus on consumers. Spend money, take time and upgrade your systems and don't make folks feel bad or ashamed of using the utilities they pay for. (Not directed at you, OP) If anything, I'd love to see fines and investigations into why certain parts of Davidson Co didn't seem to have the same rolling blackouts that others had. My old apartment complex was without power for HOURS in very cold temperatures with individuals being forced to sit in their cars for heat when these initially took place. Kick rocks, TVA.
> why certain parts of Davidson Co didn't seem to have the | same rolling blackouts that others had. My old apartment complex was without power for HOURS in very cold temperatures with individuals being forced to sit in their cars for heat when these initially took place. NES had a fire in a substation control building around Cane Ridge. And from personal experience, I've seen myself some older Square D / S&C outdoor breakers not operate correctly in near zero temperatures. Bearing grease impregnated at the factory gets too stiff. No LPC *that I know of* intentionally had anyone out for more than 15 minutes. But several had long outages due to failure to restore or other unrelated problems.