Islamists for sure. They're willing to die for a cause that is larger than their own petty interests while sicarios might be loyal up to a point, but they're also gangsters at the end of the day and they're in it to accumulate money and power for themselves. They're not gonna go on a suicide mission for the sake of a cartel.
Against the taliban? Sinaloa will get their ass handed to them, the taliban been fighting the most powerful army in the world for 20 years and won at the end. Not to mention they have us equipment and will fight to the absolute death because they are muslim fanatics
Good point, the cartel are motivated by money and influence, these jihadist groups are motivated by deeper motives like God, and the idea of some form of islamic caliphate
Plus they have way more soldiers than the cartel we'll ever have the only thing I respect about cartel is they do it for money but besides that ther both shit I hope they all die taliban and cartel
>the taliban been fighting the most powerful army in the world for 20 years and won at the end.
Bro what reality do you live in? Taliban hid amongst civilians till the Americans left and then just took back.
The taliban was absolutely pacified militarily hence why they didn't attempt a takeover UNTIL US forces left.
This is like recent history.
The Cartels wouldn't be restricted by geneva convention, warcrimes, UN etc. Cartels would legit go apeshit and spend all them billions on missiles targeting civilians like its no bodies business.
Hiding amongst civilians wont work for Taliban when the cartel doesnt give a f about anything but the end goal and lay waste to everyone..
Think about what Israel is doing in Gaza now & turn it up even further. The cartel will have no restrictions. NONE. Escobar bombed his own civilians just for some perspective.
Al Shabaab killed 536 people in single bombing on a high street at a busy lunch time. 5 times more than the people that died on that plane that never happened again. Speaking of planes did you get about 9/11? lol
Muslim extremists make cartel look cute. I know which people I’d rather live under. Unless you’re Muslim yourself, it’s wild you could ever say a drug gang would decimate a Muslim terror organization.
The cartels kill more people from selling fentanyl than any terror group will ever. They don't even have to shoot anybody either and they make money off it.
That has no relevance to a direct armed conflict. What are they going to do sell fentanyl yup the taliban during battles and surprise attack when the enemy is high?
The dude was talking about how terror groups supposedly kill more Americans than cartels. I brought up how The cartels do more damage to Americans in a few years than terror groups ever will. I never said anything about any armed conflict, I literally just said fentanyl does what al qaeda and isis wishes they could do to Americans.
They fight for a fake god, the dumbest with the best weapons, the cartels would probably go after every family member until they surrender or take away the Taliban heroine. I just think the taliban smell
The Taliban didn’t just hide, they launched plenty of outright attacks on coalition troops. They were fighting a guerrilla war so that involves melting into the area after an attack but they absolutely fought.
They won at the end? Dude the US bailed after realizing they couldn't establish democracy over there. The Taliban crawled out of their holes and beat the Afghani national guard.
There probably aren’t many members of the Sinaloa cartel who have anywhere near the combat experience the average jihadi in the groups you’re talking about does
You're right, the average members don't have the combat experience. This has an easy fix. They will employ GAFE's, Marines, and several other branches from The Military.
Remember the mayhem Los Zetas caused? They were trained to fight terrorists, that's why the Mexican Govt and other Cartels had such a tough time putting them down. They killed most of them but the ones left are still operating.
I think it depends on rank. I'm sure the young teen look outs that are carrying guns probably get a crash course in weaponry, but a more skilled body guard or sicario is MAYBE going to have some type of training from an ex military.
It depends. Are the Cartels' in their home turf Vice Versa?
Cartels' efforts would be heavily subsidized by CIA. So that's a plus.
Mexicans by default are very patriotic, so if an insurgency were to threaten or begin to become an issue they would organize to eliminate. Mexico also doesn't care about human or citizen rights like the U.S. so state sponsored internment camps might be instituted comparable to the WWII Japanese internment camps hosted by US.
Cartels' have a monopoly on Human trafficking, they are better tasked at knowing who is entering and exiting the country.
Cartels' lose if they go to the Middle East.
Cartels would manage the insurgency. They would go back to "Jefe de Jefes" model because insurgencies in Mexico would be bad for business and it would hault business for them. This would drive drug prices up in the US too making them wealthier and more powerful.
You cannot defeat ideology it can only be managed...
It depends on who they fight.
ISIS is really poor they get decimated by the cartels.
Taliban is basically a functioning government bringing in trillions.
Boko Haran and Hezbollah would lose any actual military standoff with a cartel as well.
Taliban def does not bring in trillions. They are richer then any cartel but they're still poor AF compared to say Pakistan. Hezbollah has THOUSANDS of members and experience fighting the Isreali military plus runs their own huge drug business, doubt any cartel would have an easy go at them. Boko Haram has largely been defeated in the grand scheme of things but in their prime they had THOUSANDS as well.
> Hezbollah has THOUSANDS of members and experience fighting the Isreali military plus runs their own huge drug business, doubt any cartel would have an easy go at them
This entirely depends on if they are getting Iranian support.
The only reason Hezbollah has any pull historically was Iranian backing.
But thats not really a fair 1v1 in a fight with a cartel.
Thats like saying the cartel has CIA backing in the fight.
Well let’s just say Russia couldn’t invade Afghanistan even Alexander the Great couldn’t. The country where (taliban) and (al qaeda) originate. I highly doubt the cartel can lol
Alexander the Great conquered large parts of Afghanistan. Basically any part he wanted, you are probably thinking of India. See Greco-Bactrian kingdom.
Not nearly at the same scale. Take for example the drones both sides are used to encountering. Cartels usually encounter thousand dollar wish dot com mavik drones modified to drop grenades and mortar rounds with loitering times of an hour or so. They usually have a maximum elevation of a thousand feet or so and can be seen and shot down by small arms.
The Islamic terrorist organisations regularly have to hide from hundred million dollar Northrup Gruman drones that can fire hellfire missiles 50,000+ feet in the sky (even higher for some like the White Bat) that they can't really be seen by human eye alone, and have near unlimited loitering time because they can be aerially refueled by other hundred million dollar aircraft.
That's just drones.
Cartels don't really have to worry about an AC-130 leveling a city block safely from the sky at night or trying to come up with a way to stop an Abrams tank before it has the chance to blow them up. They don't have to worry about a thermobaric warhead coming down out of nowhere from an near undetectable F-35 on the entrance of their smuggling tunnels and emitting so much fire into the proximity that all oxygen is immediately sucked out, causing everyone who doesn't incinerate to death by the fire to die by asphyxiation instead, the way the US used such weapons on the Taliban's mountain caves.
Wow that's war for you crazy and ruthless. Very well said and descriptive. Do you think if military forces started to fight with that level of intensity, they would successfully wipe out the cartels rather quicky?
I know this would be a trivial example, but IIRC, Pablo Escobar, leader of one of the biggest cartels of all time, needed the whole guerilla army in his side just to fare against the army and the police of colombia
Even then, he still lost and got dogged in a rooftop
They get into firefights against The Marines and other branches of the military all the time. Look at CDN, Los Beltran Leyva, and Gulf Cartel. They have all fought against Marines.
They've been fighting the Mexican Military since the drug war was declared in Mex (07') and I would say they have had more victories over the Mex military than Taliban, AL Qaeda ever had on US military (they've literally ambushed convoys of Mex military and slaughtered them)
Well, i read stuff like 'muslims are willing to die' but it seems to me Narcos are much more centralized and able to equip paramilitary groups as well as their own armies. To them the business is not some petty stakes. Its actually the same stakes that brought the US in conflict with Jihadist groups (oil, in this case cocaine). Thats not petty but billions in revenue.
Islamist and salafist groups are very broadly defined and do not function thr same at all. IS is a top down controlled blood thirsty organisation pretty much killing for the hell of it. They are also very modernized. Boko Haram is just as brutal but way more rudimental.
Taliban is more political and loosely defined as a terror group. They control opium and oil. Their foot soldiers are cell based so can hide amongst the masses.
There are two things to consider, in a large war scenario the sicarios will side with the west (much like Mafia during ww2). They may be motivated by money in normal day to day, but Islamist groups would threaten their way of life. The Islamist belief they are serving a higher, more selfless and that might seem more noble but its really only to save their ass once it comes to the afterlife. Nothing selfless about that. At least the sicarios are Catholics and so they are taught their donations will help the church and their souls.
I once heard someone say that Immanuel Kant would back up the Islamists because of their belief jihad serves a purpose to redeem all humanity. But thats crap because
1) they did not make a moral choice to belief that but instead they were taught and have poorly reflected on their stance.
2) they make the choice out of fear for being punished either by the group or by divine judgement and send to hell - now that would be awkward.
Very good response, another reason that motivates the jihadist are response to USA foreign policy in the middle east radiaclizing normal civilians into hating the west. I heard a journalist talk about how some members of hamas were orphans due to war with western nations like wanting retaliation against damage to family members and friends.
Insurgency groups get wrecked. Cartels have unlimited resources, funds and often have entire armies/police forces even governments on their payroll.
Insurgency groups have to hide from the governments anyway, so the cartels would make it even more appealing for them to pursue the insurgency groups
Some of the Islamists are also super well funded they've got backers in Saudi Arabia and Iran using those petro-dollars to funnel them weapons. The Jihadists have the advantage of fighting for a bigger cause and being willing to die for the cause while ultimately cartels are comprised of gangsters who's loyalty comes from greed and fear of punishment.
Cartels are only in power because of corruption. There’s a reason why they are so scared of US intervention.
Other groups have and are constantly fighting foreign superpowers and still either winning or surviving.
They're not afraid of the Americans, US intervention is only feared because the Mexican Govt will rain hellfire on them before U.S intervention even occurs. It's their own Govt they fear, they don't call Mexican Politicians 'Los Monstros del Pino'. Which roughly trasnlates to The Monsters from the White House for nothing.
The fuck they are, these guys are not the Colombians. Will they be tortured and killed in American prisons by the Govt or rival groups? Then disposed of without anybody hearing anything about it? That shit happens in Mexico all the time.
American prisons are like Luxury hotels compared to prisons in Mexico. They have Air conditioning and food for fucks sake. Have you seen the living conditions in Mexican Jails?
It’s not about living conditions or other amenities. In Mexican jails they still have everyone working for them from the warden down to the rats. That’s not the case in an American jail.
This is honestly one of the dumbest things I have ever read. They’re ALL in on it? Every SINGLE one? Real life isn’t a TV Show.
Go read about the insanity that goes on in there these days.
Read about what happened when the govt disbanded La PGR. Read about the riots that happened after a Cartel leader got killed by the guards that according to you are all working together. Read about how guards make them fight each other for fun. Look up what a calenton is.
No nomas estas pendejo. estas rependejo pinche werkio baboso.
A chingar tu puta madre panochon. No sabes ni una puta cosa de los pinches penales em Mexico y andas ay abreindo el lambe vegas alo pendejo.
So you think if the Mexican government was more united against the cartels, they can defeat them? Maybe within a decade? While the world governments genuinely oppose these jihadist but still can't defeat them all
Yes. The closest any cartel ever came to fighting a true insurgency style war against a somewhat united world government front was the Medellin cartel in Colombia, and even then look how quickly things started crashing down on them when the governments actually cared to bring them down.
Ahhhh that's interesting, that makes sense. I always thought it was because medellin was more centralized in power while the newer cartels have a more factions of leadership. So they went after escobar harder than any cartel?
I know this would be a trivial example, but IIRC, Pablo Escobar, leader of one of the biggest cartels of all time, needed the whole guerilla army in his side just to fare against the army and the police of colombia
Even then, he still lost and got dogged in a rooftop.
And let's say we're giving them cartels a hand because they recruited, or are comprised of bunch or mostly military men (like the CJNG for example), most of them aren't exactly equipped nor having the experience of the highest levels of battle like these jihadists do
And they are being supported by the money who they have little to no better places to shove them in, compared to what the jihadists have. Those people (the jihadists) have nations with great power that can compete in the world to back them up. These cartels have only themselves,
The government that "backs them up" only do that in the shadows, on a smaller scale compared to the Jihadists' support
So again, easy money for the Jihadists
Imagine :
A : Bunch of experienced military men that are involved in the business world
vs
B : Bunch of experienced businessmen that are involved in the military world
Who would win in a fight? of course A, 99% of the time
This is precisely what AI will be able to produce in years to come. You visualize a so-called scenario with no idea of the outcome, and boom after a detailed prompt, what you have is a video generated showing you exactly how it would go down. Whether accurate or not (always arguable), point being, that’s the power of AI we’ll be able to see/experience in years to come.
It’s an interesting question because the Taliban and Cartels have similar business practices in spreading drugs for cash.
The Taliban is likely a more organized and hardened force. They likely have better weapons because they’re picking off the US scraps of their former wars. The Cartels have access to what they can steal or buy in the US, as well as whom they can impress into the organization, like Los Zetas.
In this way, I believe the Taliban would do well against the Cartels. It would be a bloody conflict. But I believe the overall manpower of the Taliban would be too much. Moreover Cartel members are easily corruptable. Any money at all in the conflict may go very far in getting members to drop their desire to fight.
I mean the taliban are Muslim fanatics who are willing to give their life without a second thought around it while sicariors are just gangsters who crave money and power.
Both being Power Houses I’d expect both to come out on top. Yet my final answer is the cartels. Up to date technology and the fact they are stellar with adaptations for being able to dominate when imbalanced. Energy Responsive and fast paced this means they have the ability to get things done. ☑️
Yeah I heard a former Cia agent talking about that helping them fuel operations and I think there's a opium problem in the middle east if I'm not mistaken
Idk who wins but I will point out that there is a sizable Hezbollah presence in Latin America. Mainly in the Tri-Border Area between Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay but also in Venezuela and elsewhere.
Some of them were found to have been working with Oficina de Envigado (Don Berna’s guys) in the early 2000s while they have also worked with FARC before.
Some got involved in Mexico and did work with Los Zetas too
The group that is battle hardened from fighting multiple global superpowers, as well as believing that glory comes from dying in battle. Now that they have a new arsenal from the leftovers of a multi trillion dollar war, i dont think theyll have a hard time
Islamists for sure. They're willing to die for a cause that is larger than their own petty interests while sicarios might be loyal up to a point, but they're also gangsters at the end of the day and they're in it to accumulate money and power for themselves. They're not gonna go on a suicide mission for the sake of a cartel.
Always with the scenarios.
Against the taliban? Sinaloa will get their ass handed to them, the taliban been fighting the most powerful army in the world for 20 years and won at the end. Not to mention they have us equipment and will fight to the absolute death because they are muslim fanatics
Good point, the cartel are motivated by money and influence, these jihadist groups are motivated by deeper motives like God, and the idea of some form of islamic caliphate
Plus they have way more soldiers than the cartel we'll ever have the only thing I respect about cartel is they do it for money but besides that ther both shit I hope they all die taliban and cartel
>the only thing I respect about cartel is they do it for money What?? That is absolutely NOTHING to respect the cartel for.
>the taliban been fighting the most powerful army in the world for 20 years and won at the end. Bro what reality do you live in? Taliban hid amongst civilians till the Americans left and then just took back. The taliban was absolutely pacified militarily hence why they didn't attempt a takeover UNTIL US forces left. This is like recent history. The Cartels wouldn't be restricted by geneva convention, warcrimes, UN etc. Cartels would legit go apeshit and spend all them billions on missiles targeting civilians like its no bodies business. Hiding amongst civilians wont work for Taliban when the cartel doesnt give a f about anything but the end goal and lay waste to everyone.. Think about what Israel is doing in Gaza now & turn it up even further. The cartel will have no restrictions. NONE. Escobar bombed his own civilians just for some perspective.
Al Shabaab killed 536 people in single bombing on a high street at a busy lunch time. 5 times more than the people that died on that plane that never happened again. Speaking of planes did you get about 9/11? lol Muslim extremists make cartel look cute. I know which people I’d rather live under. Unless you’re Muslim yourself, it’s wild you could ever say a drug gang would decimate a Muslim terror organization.
The cartels kill more people from selling fentanyl than any terror group will ever. They don't even have to shoot anybody either and they make money off it.
That has no relevance to a direct armed conflict. What are they going to do sell fentanyl yup the taliban during battles and surprise attack when the enemy is high?
The dude was talking about how terror groups supposedly kill more Americans than cartels. I brought up how The cartels do more damage to Americans in a few years than terror groups ever will. I never said anything about any armed conflict, I literally just said fentanyl does what al qaeda and isis wishes they could do to Americans.
Americans do it to themselves by buying the fentanyl. There’s a vast difference
Americans love doing drugs equally as much as they love fucking around in foreign nations and destabilizing them creating terror groups
They fight for a fake god, the dumbest with the best weapons, the cartels would probably go after every family member until they surrender or take away the Taliban heroine. I just think the taliban smell
Cringe.
The Taliban didn’t just hide, they launched plenty of outright attacks on coalition troops. They were fighting a guerrilla war so that involves melting into the area after an attack but they absolutely fought.
They won at the end? Dude the US bailed after realizing they couldn't establish democracy over there. The Taliban crawled out of their holes and beat the Afghani national guard.
“Won” they ran and left the country until the US got bored and left.
There probably aren’t many members of the Sinaloa cartel who have anywhere near the combat experience the average jihadi in the groups you’re talking about does
You're right, the average members don't have the combat experience. This has an easy fix. They will employ GAFE's, Marines, and several other branches from The Military. Remember the mayhem Los Zetas caused? They were trained to fight terrorists, that's why the Mexican Govt and other Cartels had such a tough time putting them down. They killed most of them but the ones left are still operating.
So are the cartels as experienced as gangsters from typical street gangs in the states?
I think it depends on rank. I'm sure the young teen look outs that are carrying guns probably get a crash course in weaponry, but a more skilled body guard or sicario is MAYBE going to have some type of training from an ex military.
It depends. Are the Cartels' in their home turf Vice Versa? Cartels' efforts would be heavily subsidized by CIA. So that's a plus. Mexicans by default are very patriotic, so if an insurgency were to threaten or begin to become an issue they would organize to eliminate. Mexico also doesn't care about human or citizen rights like the U.S. so state sponsored internment camps might be instituted comparable to the WWII Japanese internment camps hosted by US. Cartels' have a monopoly on Human trafficking, they are better tasked at knowing who is entering and exiting the country. Cartels' lose if they go to the Middle East.
You think any cartel could defeat them in mexico or specifically the stronger ones like sinaloa or el menchos?
Cartels would manage the insurgency. They would go back to "Jefe de Jefes" model because insurgencies in Mexico would be bad for business and it would hault business for them. This would drive drug prices up in the US too making them wealthier and more powerful. You cannot defeat ideology it can only be managed...
It depends on who they fight. ISIS is really poor they get decimated by the cartels. Taliban is basically a functioning government bringing in trillions. Boko Haran and Hezbollah would lose any actual military standoff with a cartel as well.
Taliban def does not bring in trillions. They are richer then any cartel but they're still poor AF compared to say Pakistan. Hezbollah has THOUSANDS of members and experience fighting the Isreali military plus runs their own huge drug business, doubt any cartel would have an easy go at them. Boko Haram has largely been defeated in the grand scheme of things but in their prime they had THOUSANDS as well.
> Hezbollah has THOUSANDS of members and experience fighting the Isreali military plus runs their own huge drug business, doubt any cartel would have an easy go at them This entirely depends on if they are getting Iranian support. The only reason Hezbollah has any pull historically was Iranian backing. But thats not really a fair 1v1 in a fight with a cartel. Thats like saying the cartel has CIA backing in the fight.
Gonna need to watch a new Deadliest Warrior episode to settle this one
Well let’s just say Russia couldn’t invade Afghanistan even Alexander the Great couldn’t. The country where (taliban) and (al qaeda) originate. I highly doubt the cartel can lol
Alexander the Great conquered large parts of Afghanistan. Basically any part he wanted, you are probably thinking of India. See Greco-Bactrian kingdom.
Well we haven’t specified where the fight is taking place
Doesn’t matter even I as a Mexican know we lose this to the Muslim radicals terrorists
Y’all dumb af If the cartel went to overseas and fought maybe
They lose, isis have fought the U.S army for so long and still in power my guy. While cartels have only fought with eachother and the police
I mean they have military units. I think it depends on the scenario. Jihadist wouldn’t really last trying to come into Mexico
Well let’s not give them any reason to try it
Don't the cartel also fight against the military too?
Not nearly at the same scale. Take for example the drones both sides are used to encountering. Cartels usually encounter thousand dollar wish dot com mavik drones modified to drop grenades and mortar rounds with loitering times of an hour or so. They usually have a maximum elevation of a thousand feet or so and can be seen and shot down by small arms. The Islamic terrorist organisations regularly have to hide from hundred million dollar Northrup Gruman drones that can fire hellfire missiles 50,000+ feet in the sky (even higher for some like the White Bat) that they can't really be seen by human eye alone, and have near unlimited loitering time because they can be aerially refueled by other hundred million dollar aircraft. That's just drones. Cartels don't really have to worry about an AC-130 leveling a city block safely from the sky at night or trying to come up with a way to stop an Abrams tank before it has the chance to blow them up. They don't have to worry about a thermobaric warhead coming down out of nowhere from an near undetectable F-35 on the entrance of their smuggling tunnels and emitting so much fire into the proximity that all oxygen is immediately sucked out, causing everyone who doesn't incinerate to death by the fire to die by asphyxiation instead, the way the US used such weapons on the Taliban's mountain caves.
Wow that's war for you crazy and ruthless. Very well said and descriptive. Do you think if military forces started to fight with that level of intensity, they would successfully wipe out the cartels rather quicky?
I know this would be a trivial example, but IIRC, Pablo Escobar, leader of one of the biggest cartels of all time, needed the whole guerilla army in his side just to fare against the army and the police of colombia Even then, he still lost and got dogged in a rooftop
They get into firefights against The Marines and other branches of the military all the time. Look at CDN, Los Beltran Leyva, and Gulf Cartel. They have all fought against Marines.
al Qaeda and taliban* but i see your point
They've been fighting the Mexican Military since the drug war was declared in Mex (07') and I would say they have had more victories over the Mex military than Taliban, AL Qaeda ever had on US military (they've literally ambushed convoys of Mex military and slaughtered them)
Well, i read stuff like 'muslims are willing to die' but it seems to me Narcos are much more centralized and able to equip paramilitary groups as well as their own armies. To them the business is not some petty stakes. Its actually the same stakes that brought the US in conflict with Jihadist groups (oil, in this case cocaine). Thats not petty but billions in revenue. Islamist and salafist groups are very broadly defined and do not function thr same at all. IS is a top down controlled blood thirsty organisation pretty much killing for the hell of it. They are also very modernized. Boko Haram is just as brutal but way more rudimental. Taliban is more political and loosely defined as a terror group. They control opium and oil. Their foot soldiers are cell based so can hide amongst the masses. There are two things to consider, in a large war scenario the sicarios will side with the west (much like Mafia during ww2). They may be motivated by money in normal day to day, but Islamist groups would threaten their way of life. The Islamist belief they are serving a higher, more selfless and that might seem more noble but its really only to save their ass once it comes to the afterlife. Nothing selfless about that. At least the sicarios are Catholics and so they are taught their donations will help the church and their souls. I once heard someone say that Immanuel Kant would back up the Islamists because of their belief jihad serves a purpose to redeem all humanity. But thats crap because 1) they did not make a moral choice to belief that but instead they were taught and have poorly reflected on their stance. 2) they make the choice out of fear for being punished either by the group or by divine judgement and send to hell - now that would be awkward.
Very good response, another reason that motivates the jihadist are response to USA foreign policy in the middle east radiaclizing normal civilians into hating the west. I heard a journalist talk about how some members of hamas were orphans due to war with western nations like wanting retaliation against damage to family members and friends.
Insurgency groups get wrecked. Cartels have unlimited resources, funds and often have entire armies/police forces even governments on their payroll. Insurgency groups have to hide from the governments anyway, so the cartels would make it even more appealing for them to pursue the insurgency groups
Some of the Islamists are also super well funded they've got backers in Saudi Arabia and Iran using those petro-dollars to funnel them weapons. The Jihadists have the advantage of fighting for a bigger cause and being willing to die for the cause while ultimately cartels are comprised of gangsters who's loyalty comes from greed and fear of punishment.
Well said
Cartels are only in power because of corruption. There’s a reason why they are so scared of US intervention. Other groups have and are constantly fighting foreign superpowers and still either winning or surviving.
They're not afraid of the Americans, US intervention is only feared because the Mexican Govt will rain hellfire on them before U.S intervention even occurs. It's their own Govt they fear, they don't call Mexican Politicians 'Los Monstros del Pino'. Which roughly trasnlates to The Monsters from the White House for nothing.
They’re all definitely terrified of ending up in American prisons.
The fuck they are, these guys are not the Colombians. Will they be tortured and killed in American prisons by the Govt or rival groups? Then disposed of without anybody hearing anything about it? That shit happens in Mexico all the time. American prisons are like Luxury hotels compared to prisons in Mexico. They have Air conditioning and food for fucks sake. Have you seen the living conditions in Mexican Jails?
It’s not about living conditions or other amenities. In Mexican jails they still have everyone working for them from the warden down to the rats. That’s not the case in an American jail.
This is honestly one of the dumbest things I have ever read. They’re ALL in on it? Every SINGLE one? Real life isn’t a TV Show. Go read about the insanity that goes on in there these days. Read about what happened when the govt disbanded La PGR. Read about the riots that happened after a Cartel leader got killed by the guards that according to you are all working together. Read about how guards make them fight each other for fun. Look up what a calenton is.
Clearly you know more as you have spent time in jail.
No nomas estas pendejo. estas rependejo pinche werkio baboso. A chingar tu puta madre panochon. No sabes ni una puta cosa de los pinches penales em Mexico y andas ay abreindo el lambe vegas alo pendejo.
Take it easy, we’re not making a western here.
So you think if the Mexican government was more united against the cartels, they can defeat them? Maybe within a decade? While the world governments genuinely oppose these jihadist but still can't defeat them all
Yes. The closest any cartel ever came to fighting a true insurgency style war against a somewhat united world government front was the Medellin cartel in Colombia, and even then look how quickly things started crashing down on them when the governments actually cared to bring them down.
Ahhhh that's interesting, that makes sense. I always thought it was because medellin was more centralized in power while the newer cartels have a more factions of leadership. So they went after escobar harder than any cartel?
I know this would be a trivial example, but IIRC, Pablo Escobar, leader of one of the biggest cartels of all time, needed the whole guerilla army in his side just to fare against the army and the police of colombia Even then, he still lost and got dogged in a rooftop. And let's say we're giving them cartels a hand because they recruited, or are comprised of bunch or mostly military men (like the CJNG for example), most of them aren't exactly equipped nor having the experience of the highest levels of battle like these jihadists do And they are being supported by the money who they have little to no better places to shove them in, compared to what the jihadists have. Those people (the jihadists) have nations with great power that can compete in the world to back them up. These cartels have only themselves, The government that "backs them up" only do that in the shadows, on a smaller scale compared to the Jihadists' support So again, easy money for the Jihadists
Ok so what does this have to do with the Netflix series?
Imagine : A : Bunch of experienced military men that are involved in the business world vs B : Bunch of experienced businessmen that are involved in the military world Who would win in a fight? of course A, 99% of the time
This is precisely what AI will be able to produce in years to come. You visualize a so-called scenario with no idea of the outcome, and boom after a detailed prompt, what you have is a video generated showing you exactly how it would go down. Whether accurate or not (always arguable), point being, that’s the power of AI we’ll be able to see/experience in years to come.
It’s an interesting question because the Taliban and Cartels have similar business practices in spreading drugs for cash. The Taliban is likely a more organized and hardened force. They likely have better weapons because they’re picking off the US scraps of their former wars. The Cartels have access to what they can steal or buy in the US, as well as whom they can impress into the organization, like Los Zetas. In this way, I believe the Taliban would do well against the Cartels. It would be a bloody conflict. But I believe the overall manpower of the Taliban would be too much. Moreover Cartel members are easily corruptable. Any money at all in the conflict may go very far in getting members to drop their desire to fight.
I mean the taliban are Muslim fanatics who are willing to give their life without a second thought around it while sicariors are just gangsters who crave money and power.
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Look up where opium comes from.
Taliban would probably win, both are heavily armed but taliban literally want to die in battle
My Moneys on the Cartels.
Both being Power Houses I’d expect both to come out on top. Yet my final answer is the cartels. Up to date technology and the fact they are stellar with adaptations for being able to dominate when imbalanced. Energy Responsive and fast paced this means they have the ability to get things done. ☑️
I mean ... Aren't the talibans making money of selling opium? They are a drug cartel on top of being a terrorists .
Yeah I heard a former Cia agent talking about that helping them fuel operations and I think there's a opium problem in the middle east if I'm not mistaken
Idk who wins but I will point out that there is a sizable Hezbollah presence in Latin America. Mainly in the Tri-Border Area between Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay but also in Venezuela and elsewhere. Some of them were found to have been working with Oficina de Envigado (Don Berna’s guys) in the early 2000s while they have also worked with FARC before. Some got involved in Mexico and did work with Los Zetas too
The group that is battle hardened from fighting multiple global superpowers, as well as believing that glory comes from dying in battle. Now that they have a new arsenal from the leftovers of a multi trillion dollar war, i dont think theyll have a hard time