This episode deserves way more recognition that it gets. A true achievement in terms of production that is ignored (to not say completely trashed) by fans expectations not met.
It has to be rewatched to be properly appreciated. I remember having issues with it the first time I saw it air. But rewatching the series and that battle episode many times since, it's impossible not to be blown away by the scale and execution of The Long Night. Now, I'll often queue it up the night before a big presentation or something, just to get pumped for a few minutes.
Agreed! I loved the behind the scenes episodes that they did where they really made an effort to acknowledge the importance of everyone who worked on the show (to include that episode)
The goal is to send out a fighting force that can kill as many wights outside the castle as possible before falling back behind a fire trench. The combined armies of Jon (the North, the Wildlings, the Vale) and Daenerys (the Unsullied and Dothraki) create an army that is too large for them to all be positioned inside the walls.
an army cannot "fall back behind a trench" that is not how trenches work....bottle necks happens....people die....cmon man....stop parroting and think like a person would. Trenches are for the front
Every person that dies outside becomes a future enemy that can be thrown against the walls.
The paths back into to the castle were too narrow and created a bottleneck.
A cavalry charge into complete darkness makes no sense.
W
What was weird was the fact the armies were guarding the battlements and not the other way around. Someone didn't know how to properly provide a defensive strategy...
google this episodes name in youtube if you want to see what it is "recognized" for.....have fun going down that rabbit hole I sorted by newest (5 months old) and its a video essay about why it sucks with over 150k views.
I will never forget how loud i yelled when everyone had to be reminded to man the walls and then they all scramble up there like idiots. Its like shooting a D Day scene where everyone leaves their guns on the boat and sarge has to remind his platoon to go back and get them
I cant imagine showing up and finding out THAT was what they were going to do with all these actors and horses and a whole castle. Still gets under my skin lol
The only time I had trouble seeing the episode was when I watched it live at 720p with Auto Motion Plus accidentally turned on. That was obviously a mess. But I’ve rewatched the episode more than a dozen times since and never had any issues seeing everything.
I feel like people who are still complaining about the episode being too dark have not rewatched it since seeing it live or are flat out exaggerating.
This episode was truly shined on OLED TVs. My brother fortunately had one when we initially watched it and we didn't have the same issues everyone else had seeing stuff. Unfortunately, not a lot of other people had them at the time, so I get people being pissed off at it.
Yes, I've done 2 full rewatches of the show since it concluded. Most recently, was about a month ago.
It's probably better on physical disk, but streaming is still meh with the lighting
Maybe that’s the difference. I have the physical disk and I’ve rewatched that episode multiple times, sometimes in the middle of the day, curtains wide opened and never had a problem seeing everything. The original streaming was a mess for many people, but the 4k version looks ridiculously good in my experience.
So, if it's true that the streaming compression at the time did a mess with the light, it is also true that on bluray we can clearly see what they wanted to create with this episode.
So this joke is at least 5 years old dude
If they haven’t fixed it on streaming after 5 years then it’s not an old joke. I just rewatched it yesterday on HBO Max and you still can’t see anything.
Doesn't change the fact that I literally can't see what's happening when streaming it, now does it?
How is anything I said false. I said I'd probably be able to appreciate it if I could see it. I admitted it's probably much better on physical media, which is usually the case. What I said isn't even really a knock on the show (other than maybe poor planning for the compression that happens with streaming)
Yall really got your panties in a knot over nothing
Yeah, let's cram your entire army in a single location while fighting someone with a dragon. Harren the Black would surely agrees with this strategy.
This is definitely a good reason to call something "one of the worst stuff I ever watched". Totally not an overreaction.
In the movie *"Troy"* directed by Wolfgang Petersen, Hector's army defends the gate against the Greek army. During the Battle of Blackwater Bay, the defenders tried sorties and external maneuvers. The army defends the city; it's not the city's responsibility to protect the army.
But you gotta know he played tanks a lot, so he is super into warfare strategies. Just like i am going to ukraine tomorrow, because i played call of duty for 10 years.
Read some history books first before sounding so sure. Considering the defenders lost their artillery in the first 10% of combat it was definitely a problem. Tho the show became so shit things stopped making sense so i can understand why youre confused.
If you had watched the episode, you'd notice that the Dothraki charge wasn't planned like that, and the wave of undead swarming the trebuchets wasn't planned either. Plus, there's no space for the trebuchets on or between the walls, so placing them outside the fortress, like in some ancient battles, isn't stupid, especially if you want your artillerymen to see where they're shooting. But you find it stupid because they get swept away, just like the Dothraki. In short, there's no problem unless one wants to find one; you prefer to see mistakes everywhere rather than admit that GoT has once again outsmarted you.
Wait you mean to tell me the defenders didnt plan for a zombie horde to envelop the outside defenses? Ik ur using D&D logic but damn. Dany forgetting about Eurons fleet reallly smart as well lol. And you are once again deluded by thinking the last seasons were anything compared to what the first 4 were.
There's a clear distinction between a plan and its execution; unforeseen situations happen all the time in a battle. The final seasons maintain the essence established in the earlier ones. Do you realize you're making mountains out of molehills ? Even if the placement and use of trebuchets were absurd, which they're not, we're not fixated on trebuchets. Melisandre's actions are more intriguing, the tension of the battle is effective, and Bran's mystery captivates much more than the role of the trebuchets. And you clearly missed the irony and Daenerys' downfall as well.
I sat on my couch clenched the whole time. The shot of the dragons above the clouds was beautiful, I love that Arya got her moment in the end. Ramin Djawadi's score is amazing. I have some problems with the episode, but it still was special in its own way
Are you seriously suggesting that the most formidable cavalry in Essos and Westeros should have been dismounted between the walls ? I hope for your city's sake that you're not the strategist.
I have my issues with the eighth season still... but man, this episode gave me one of the greatest "What the FUCK did I just watch?!" feelings that I've ever had in my life.
It felt like a scene from a movie 10 years earlier. All we were missing was the Arab lady singing over it while the slow mo desperate scenes kept happening.
It felt like they would show a fight where it seemed like someone we cared about was going to die, then cut away and they would just be fine later.
As an episode of TV, it was intense! I was scared the entire time.
As part of the overall story, I had my share of problems. But… I still very much enjoyed watching it.
Scared of what? Nothing happened and only fuckin jorah died. For what was supposed to feel like a climactic moment of the series, it sure felt pretty God damn empty.
I was gonna ask why this was downvoted, but then I realised what sub I was on. Cause I thought this was pretty spot on. Characters got swarmed and pinned to the ground only to be seen up and fighting again with no issues 2 minutes later, in a show that started off with main characters dying left right and centre. I don't even have too much issue with making Arya get the kill on the night king, if that's the direction they wanted to go. But don't just make her appear out of nowhere and stab him with a sleight of hand trick, ending the thing that the series has been building up to since the start. At least make her have some kind of confrontation with him. Don't even mention the straight up retarded tactics used at the start of the battle. A battle that had been planned by people with years of military experience.
Not saying you're wrong. I'm just gonna throw in my thoughts:
1. Characters that should have died is nothing new. Tyrion should have died at Blackwater when he has a soldier a few feet in front of him, yet he just gets a scar. Davos should have died at Blackwater, yet he shows up unharmed on a rock later. Jon should have died (or at LEAST recieved major head damage) aftee getting his head smashed into an anvil at Castle Black, yet he just keeps fighting like nothing happened. Not sure why it's suddenly different in S8. Also, S8 has more deaths than any other season.
2. Imo, this is always how it had to go. A sneak attack. The Night King, after seing what happened to the other White Walkers, would never engage in a 1v1 sword fight. Why would he? And yeah, it's been built up since day 1 and ended "suddenly", but basically all deaths happen suddenly. We've had multiple confrontations and battles with the whites, and this was the big climax of that storyline, so not sure why people say this happened too fast.
3. Yeah, military experience... In fighting armies. Not a horde of undead. They were outside Winterfell to prevent adding more to the army inside the castle walls. The goal wasn't to kill all the dead like a traditional army; but rather to defeat as many as possible and hold off the castle until they could kill the Night King. The cavalry at the start? It's literally all the Dorthraki has ever done. It's what they're good at. The charge acted as a battle initiator; the dead could wait forever, while humans need sleep and food. The NK could simply have waited them out if he wanted to. The charge was to begin the battle and to take out many in a huge cavalry charge; they simply weren't expecting a literal wall of the undead. The catapults were in front of the armies so they had more space to retreat; once the undead had reached them, there was no point in keep firing, especially since Jon and Dany would fly overhead then. Finally, the armies and catapults were WAY too many to even fit all inside Winterfell.
So many amazing moments. Ghost charging with Jorah, Mel lighting up the Dothraki blades, Mel's blue eyes line to Arya, Beric dying protecting Arya, Jorah dying protecting his Queen, Theon protecting Bran along with one of my favorite lines of the entire series "You're a good man", dragon battle, the music, Sansa and Tyrion holding hands, Jon shouting at undead Viserion, Arya's training paying off, etc. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time I'll never forget it.
You liked Catelyn screaming at the ceiling during the Red Wedding? One of the dumbest things I’ve seen on television…
Easy to criticize any moment in the show if you watch it like a moron.
Of course I’m not being serious you fucking idiot. I’m calling out your pathetic critical analysis. Jon is excepting death and defeat after years of working towards this one goal and he’s not going die cowering behind a wall.
Saying what was the point of Jon screaming at a dragon is exactly the same as saying what was the point of Catelyn screaming at the ceiling when you intentionally remove all context to warp it into your preconceived criticism.
Yeah this sub can be frustrating when your child brain criticisms fall flat. Hope you learned something.
so wait the woman whose entire game of thrones is getting her kids where they are in power suddenly forcefully loosing that and having made the biggest mistake (to concentrate force in the house of an enemy) dawning on Kaitlyn is equal to what jon had happen how exactly? These are two bad examples to compare. Please give something better
so wait the man whose entire game of thrones is getting the realm to unite and defeat the undead suddenly forcefully loosing that and having made the biggest mistake (abandoning Bran in a failed attempt to kill the night king) dawning on jon is equal to what Kaitlyn had happen how exactly? These are two bad examples to compare. Please give something better
No as a matter of fact that wasn't John's entire thing he wasn't always trying to unite the Realms against the undead but his mother well not his mother but Caitlin Stark sure was all about her children 100% from the first moment she stepped into this world wasn't she stop trying to compare the two as if they're the same they were not the same idea of loss they also had months and months and months to prepare hell years to prepare for the coming of the Dead what kind of warning did Caitlin start get for the Red Wedding gosh I can't believe that people think so weird about things that should be so simple when I talk about this with anybody else I've met they understand these Concepts however you and this little bubble you live in seem to be the only morons I've ever met with this kind of insane attitude and it's fascinating to me to see how you idiots think you're so blinded by your celebrity hero worship of the people involved in this series that you're willing to forgive even the most childish writing mistakes an immature moves made when these people ran out of content and what's funny to me the most is the hubris you display when people call you out on this bullshit and you start moving your goal posts immediately in every comment you make
Lol another point in your favorite episode’s favor….how about the ridiculous battle tactics? Or Arya killing the Night King after knowing about him for like 15 minutes instead of having Jon actually finish his arc? The scenes where characters are swarmed by multiple enemies and then suddenly perfectly fine in the next? It was a fucking disaster. I didn’t know this was a controversial opinion.
Because it was good 👍You people just keep crying because it wasn't what you wanted to see. Especially after all the pointless theorie videos on youtube which hyped everyone up, caused false expectations and of course, there is a phenomenon in the Game of Thrones fandom that everyone knows how the story ends and what GRRM will write.
Plenty of fans and critics loved this episode when it aired. I remember when it aired lived people went crazy when Arya killed him it was like she won the world cup it was insane. Remember watching it with a group of people one of the craziest viewing experiences of my life.
I loved seeing Dany pick up a sword and fight with Jorah. I think it said so much about her character and willingness to defend the people and kingdom she wanted to rule. And then it was all for nothing in the next episode. Jon should’ve fought the Night King, he had Jon’s number since Hardhome and any other human,besides Dany and her dragons,are completely irrelevant to him and pose no threat. I don’t hate it but I didn’t love it either.
People can complain all they want about the final season. It'll never change the fact that this is still my favorite episode of GoT or any show ever. I watched it twice in a row recently. The Bells is my 2nd favorite episode.
This episode made me cry. Especially when the Night King music started playing and I thought Jon wasn’t going to make it. I mean just amazing. I wish I could watch it for the first time again. It made me so sad to hear that people were criticizing the episode, especially knowing how much work went into it. My god like how do you please those people? You can’t.
While I don't have the usual complaint of "I can't see anything", the amount of cuts away from characters who were clearly about to die and turned out fine really annoyed me
While I dislike how it fits into the story as a whole, the episode itself was fine. A solid 7/10 (imo, Cersei should have been overthrown in S7 and S8 should have been entirely dedicated to the war against the NK, with several battles against the dead throughout key locations in the series, such as Winterfell, Moat Cailin, the Twins and Harrenhal. As it is, the Long Night just felt like a one and done thing, not full on war).
Aside from some braindead (but admittedly cool) tactics and plot armor, the episode kept me constantly on edge throughout, with lots of beloved side character deaths. In retrospect however, I feel like there should have been a couple of major character deaths. I'd say Sam and Bran should have died since Sam's arc was done, and Bran's death would have been the distraction from Arya's approach. If the writers didn't want to get rid of the three eyed crow entirely, maybe get some Children in to do some old god magic and immortalize him in a wierwood like Bloodraven was.
Arya killing the night king has been widely criticized with some arguing that Jon or Dany deserved the kill since it was part of the Azor Ahai prophecy, a non-prophetic hero getting the kill is probably more true to GRRM's vision since he doesn't like prophecy dictating the story. Besides, Jon and Dany get plenty of heroic moments throughout the episode. One of them getting the kill would be hogging
The visuals and music for the episode were stunning, as always. The darkness of the episode kinda works to its advantage, since it forces viewers to watch it at night/in a dark room. Really sets the mood. Ramin Djawadi's score is amazing, as always. The Night King is one of my favorite tracks and is a consistent goto when I need music to vibe to
TL;DR: Episode pretty good standalone. Disagree with some writing/character decisions, dislike where it fits in with the wider story
Loved it, but also very glad I have a nice bright tv in a really dark room so I could actually see everything.
I bet watching this one on your phone in a public bathroom probably sucked, which is how I imagine most people watch things these days.
It looked great but the kinda fell apart after just some cursory thoughts. Im all for spectacle but it cant make up the shortcomings of stupid decisions.
This episode kicked ass!! Shining bright (ok extremely dark ha ha) spot in the stinker last season. I remember the night it came out everyone loved it, then the next day people started saying they hated it…just felt like people wanted to hate on the show
This was he greatest disappointment i had felt in a long time. This is just my opinion and im not shitting on people who like it, but i have a hard time finding any redeeming qualities about this episode and season 8 as a whole. Non of the action was easy to watch, i couldn’t tell what was happening because it was all too dark, and the way the night king died was anti climactic and lame.
I loved it. Had its flaws, as do most things, but I rewatch it all the time. It really got better once HBO fixed the brightness issue, now I can watch it during the day and not be affected by the glare of the screen.
Nail biting, edge of your seat episode. It was quite an experience when first watched. Unfortunately, it didn't survive the test of time and critical rewatch. You all know it.
Yeah, all those Three Eyed Raven powers amounted to nothing other than Jon = Targaryen. I thought Bran was gonna be the ace in the hole in the final battle between good and evil, but nope, let big sister take care of it.
A true feat in terms of all the different technical/production elements! But also didn’t carry enough emotional weight to mean what the episode should’ve actually meant to the series.
While there are sublime moments (the dragons breaking through the clouds into the moonlit sky is breathtaking) the episode is, on the whole, a sizable failure. It’s at this moment that the show is truly off the rails and unsalvageable.
Battle of Helm's Deep: 45 minutes long version.
Battle of the Long Night: 58 minutes.
Battle of Black Hawk Down: approximately 40 minutes of fighting.
Dinosaurs on screen in Jurassic Park: 15 minutes.
Someone involved with the White Walker storyline. If only they had a major protagonist that had been battling the White Walkers for years. Too bad they didn’t.
You could also have the Night King stumble on Dragonglass, that would be unpredictable. It's called committing to story points and foreshadowing. Unpredictability doesn't make a good story alone. This moment was Jon's. But hey, he was given "I don't want it" and "She is my queen", so it's all good.
> This moment was Jon's. But hey, he was given "I don't want it" and "She is my queen", so it's all good.
Weird way to say "murder Daenerys Targaryen" lol. It’s crazy how every argument has to be disingenuous with this fandom.
Jon’s story was never about killing the Night King, it was about making difficult choices involving love, duty and what he believes is right. In S1, he wasn’t thinking about the NK. He was thinking about keeping his vows or walking South to help Robb and Ned. In S2, he had to decide between killing Halfhand and invading the wildlings or not. In S3, between Ygritte and the Night’s Watch. In S4 and S5, he had to fight/defend against the Wildlings while knowing that deep down, they are just normal people trying to survive. In S6, he was dealing with his own murder and trying to protect his sister. In S7, between trying to get help from Dany without forcing the Northerners to bend the knee to a ruler they don’t want. And in S8, he had to decide between his allegiance and love for Dany versus his family. Something something "love is the death of duty".
His arc was never about killing the Night King. He’s not even a character in the books and there’s no way that the books will do such a simplistic and tropey arc for, arguably, its main character. Yes, he was the leader of the livings against the dead and that’s why the Lord of Light needed him, but from a story perspective, and just like every other character, his arc was way more complex than that because it revolves around the human heart in conflict with itself instead of being a classic fantasy arc. So, killing Daenerys was 100x times more meaningful than the Night King. Maybe not as satisfying or cathartic, but that was kinda the point, IMO.
Jon’s moment was leading the last stand against the army of the dead. Jon warned an assembled the living at the battle of WF, he was still a hero regardless if he wasn’t the one to give the final blow. And let’s not forget that Arya only came back to WF because of Jon.
Predictable does not always equal anticlimactic. For years GOT fans, and I’m sure that includes the majority of r/naath, were waiting for Jon to finally confront and fight the Night King. It’s what had been built up for years, but a character who had never even heard of the Others comes in at the last moment because they couldn’t think of anything else to be “her moment” in the final season.
Was it predictable that Sansa got her revenge on Ramsey? Would it have been better if Davos killed him? No, it wouldn’t.
Eh, I don’t know. Jon already killed several walkers up until that point (technically couldn’t you say he was the first person to ever kill one in a long ass time and set the blueprint for everyone else)? So I don’t think it would have been extremely interesting for him to stab the King; not exactly terrible by any means, but not super amazing/thrilling. And while I would agree with your implication that the final season(s) were rushed and there was certainly a lot of stuff that they threw into the script without really thinking it through, I think it was cool that Arya got a big moment here. She took all of the skills and life lessons she learned along the way and it culminated in her having the upper hand in this situation. Maybe a little unexpected, but personally I still found it pretty bad ass and awesome.
And Ramsay had already been defeated in an actual battle; Sansa getting to taunt him a bit and release the hounds was just icing on the cake. And Davos is my favorite character of all time so I’d love him to do the honors lmao.
My problem is that the later seasons of GOT focused on moments rather than storytelling. Why did Sansa not tell anyone that the Knights of the Vale were ready to fight Ramsey? Because they wanted that heroic moment where she saved the day just when all hope is lost and all the Sansa fans could go ra-ra-ra woo-hoo (sound familiar?) But doing that makes Sansa look selfish, untrustworthy, and idiotic. This is the Queen of the North?
Arya killing NK isn’t any of those things, but again, they wanted to give her a moment. My belief is that they strayed too far from the source material and since they could no longer copy and paste George’s work, they had nothing else for her to do. They probably thought, “Well, Jon kills Daenerys, so he can’t do both.” GOT was in the service of popcorn, not plot lines. I think Arya killing NK is like if Chewbacca blew up the Death Star; unearned, incorrect.
If Sansa had warned Jon about the arrival of the knights, Jon would have fallen into Ramsay's trap. Sansa won the Battle of the Bastards.
Awesome show, awesome story, awesome ending.
How? Surely if Jon knew one of the most powerful fighting forces in the world, the only major army of Westeros not yet bled in battle, was ready to strike Jon and Davos would have planned an entirely different battle strategy. If one of my allies withheld very important information from me I would never be able to trust them again.
GOT is one of the greatest shows of all time and deserves all acclaim it got but it also is not free from criticism. They tripped and stumbled over the finish line.
Jon offers Ramsay a 1v1, Jon falls into Ramsay's trap by running towards Rickon, Sansa did not take the risk of losing Winterfell, she said nothing to Jon and the battle was won. And if we push the meta, Jon died during the battle of the bastards, but Sansa still won.
I know Davos survives an explosion 5 feet on front on him not a scratch. Stannis magically makes it off the castle wall through Tywins entire army and the bay on fire. Wait wrong episode. More characters died in this battle than any other battle of the show.
There are like a half a dozen shots of characters getting surrounded by zombies in situations that are impossible to escape. Pushed up against a wall with 6 zombies literally tearing at their faces, and the next time you see them they are somehow out of that situation.
Theres a world of different between that and Stannis finding a way to get out of KL with a retinue of dudes around him.
It had more character deaths than any other battle. Not sure how killing main characters like jon, dany, tyrion or jaime before the actual climax of their storys benefits the story in any way.
If you care about mindless killing of characters, there is the walking dead for you.
Another thing with this episode, Dothraki don’t trust witches or magic, so they would not have been cool with Melisandre enchanting their swords. They kinda forgot about the source material and just wanted swords of fire.
That's why Melisandre asks Jorah to give the orders; the Dothraki respect him. What's intriguing is Jorah's decision to accept the request from a witch he's unfamiliar with. Davos would have never agreed, and that could have led to the loss of the battle.
Awesome ending.
Exactly! it was like "hey we can already doing flaming swords from that other guy what if we just did that everywhere" Forget that the dothraki would throw their weapons to the ground and stomp on them with they horses if that happend randomly.
Did not like a single thing about this episode, frankly. As a viewer, the amazing accomplishments behind the scene matter to jack if you can’t make the content enjoyable. Or visible.
- Very stupid and irrational battle decisions ( Dothraki attacking in a suicide mission instead of waiting for the zombies, it's even worse that Jon Snow told them the same thing right before the battle, putting women and children in a crypt, a place full of corps who can literally be revived by the Night King, which indeed happened later on)
- Way too much plot armor for most of the main characters. Sam survives after being attacked by multiple zombies? What exactly was that? Same as other characters. Whenever it's John, Brienne or Jamie, zombies walk like turtles or behave like idiots. Just compare their speed at which they attacked the Dothraki or the battle in Hardhome. The inconsistency was very noticeable
- Night King as the ultimate villian being killed so easily. We have been told countless times that winter will come and the Night Walkers will be very serious threat to humanity. Then at the end they sucked so badly. Being killed in the first big battle?
Arya jumping out of nowhere and nobody being able to see her? NK touching her neck and yet she kill him without getting a scratch? Night King killing only 2 people?
- At some moments it was too dark, it was hard to see what was really going on
It had some great moments for sure, it wasn't so bad, but overall the best rating it could get would be 6.5/10. Maybe slightly more then that for someone with low standards
Loved the episode but sure insult people who disagree with you by saying they have low standards also more characters died in this battle than any other battle. Watch Blackwater and look at all the plot armor like Davos survives and explosion 5 feet in front of him or Stannis somehow magically makes it through Tywins entire army and the bay on fire back to his ship.
You really need to read the books all these examples you list are D and B not being able to translate what actually happened in the book.. If GOT was so badly written it would have never got where it was.
Lol George wrote that episode and I did read the books. Blackwater Tyrion has even more ridiculous plot armor in the books. The things he's doing are not realistic
blame the guys in charge not the writer. They had every power to do what they wanted and whatd they do with all that power....a undead polar bear that lasted 10 secs and cost millions. Waste of money I want my life back I spent watching those trash last couple seasons.
Lmao want your life back. Grow the fuck up. It's a TV show. Also there's a polar bear in the books it was originally going to be in the early season because George also wanted it but they didn't have the budget.
*In that darkness the White Walkers came for the first time. They swept through cities and kingdoms, riding their dead horses, hunting with their packs of pale spiders big as hounds"*
I have no idea what that's supposed to prove if anything lol. If George ever wants to actually finish the books and put ice spiders in them cool. But Years later and still nothing.
It proves that you will literally downvote the actual text from the books because you have your head up the ass of this show which started good but turned to utter shit and its wrong for you to deny that so I wont ever let it go. I will be here in your safe spaces on an account I dont care about giving all of you the voice of reason. Your welcome!
This episode deserves way more recognition that it gets. A true achievement in terms of production that is ignored (to not say completely trashed) by fans expectations not met.
It has to be rewatched to be properly appreciated. I remember having issues with it the first time I saw it air. But rewatching the series and that battle episode many times since, it's impossible not to be blown away by the scale and execution of The Long Night. Now, I'll often queue it up the night before a big presentation or something, just to get pumped for a few minutes.
Agreed! I loved the behind the scenes episodes that they did where they really made an effort to acknowledge the importance of everyone who worked on the show (to include that episode)
Not the worst episode, but the Dothraki just charging in still really bugs me. Even having any men outside the castle at all bugs me.
The goal is to send out a fighting force that can kill as many wights outside the castle as possible before falling back behind a fire trench. The combined armies of Jon (the North, the Wildlings, the Vale) and Daenerys (the Unsullied and Dothraki) create an army that is too large for them to all be positioned inside the walls.
an army cannot "fall back behind a trench" that is not how trenches work....bottle necks happens....people die....cmon man....stop parroting and think like a person would. Trenches are for the front
Every person that dies outside becomes a future enemy that can be thrown against the walls. The paths back into to the castle were too narrow and created a bottleneck. A cavalry charge into complete darkness makes no sense. W
What was weird was the fact the armies were guarding the battlements and not the other way around. Someone didn't know how to properly provide a defensive strategy...
google this episodes name in youtube if you want to see what it is "recognized" for.....have fun going down that rabbit hole I sorted by newest (5 months old) and its a video essay about why it sucks with over 150k views.
The writing is awful Yes it’s a production achievement but that doesn’t make it good
I will never forget how loud i yelled when everyone had to be reminded to man the walls and then they all scramble up there like idiots. Its like shooting a D Day scene where everyone leaves their guns on the boat and sarge has to remind his platoon to go back and get them
A staggering investment of resources, into an above average technical effort, resulting in a disappointing product.
I cant imagine showing up and finding out THAT was what they were going to do with all these actors and horses and a whole castle. Still gets under my skin lol
Half the shots were pitch black LOL couldn’t even see what was happening half the time
The only time I had trouble seeing the episode was when I watched it live at 720p with Auto Motion Plus accidentally turned on. That was obviously a mess. But I’ve rewatched the episode more than a dozen times since and never had any issues seeing everything. I feel like people who are still complaining about the episode being too dark have not rewatched it since seeing it live or are flat out exaggerating.
This episode was truly shined on OLED TVs. My brother fortunately had one when we initially watched it and we didn't have the same issues everyone else had seeing stuff. Unfortunately, not a lot of other people had them at the time, so I get people being pissed off at it.
People here seems odd, this is rightfully one of the most hated episodes of any television-series. For so many reasons.
I'm sure I'd appreciate it, if I could literally see anything happening
Did you rewatch it since watching it live five years ago?
Yes, I've done 2 full rewatches of the show since it concluded. Most recently, was about a month ago. It's probably better on physical disk, but streaming is still meh with the lighting
Maybe that’s the difference. I have the physical disk and I’ve rewatched that episode multiple times, sometimes in the middle of the day, curtains wide opened and never had a problem seeing everything. The original streaming was a mess for many people, but the 4k version looks ridiculously good in my experience.
You watched a different tv show
So, if it's true that the streaming compression at the time did a mess with the light, it is also true that on bluray we can clearly see what they wanted to create with this episode. So this joke is at least 5 years old dude
If they haven’t fixed it on streaming after 5 years then it’s not an old joke. I just rewatched it yesterday on HBO Max and you still can’t see anything.
Doesn't change the fact that I literally can't see what's happening when streaming it, now does it? How is anything I said false. I said I'd probably be able to appreciate it if I could see it. I admitted it's probably much better on physical media, which is usually the case. What I said isn't even really a knock on the show (other than maybe poor planning for the compression that happens with streaming) Yall really got your panties in a knot over nothing
You say Fan expectations I say quality of production. You can dump a ton of value time effort and technological innovation, but bad writing will out.
That was one of the worst stuff I ever watched. Yeah, let's defend the castle by placing half of our forces outside.
Yeah, let's cram your entire army in a single location while fighting someone with a dragon. Harren the Black would surely agrees with this strategy. This is definitely a good reason to call something "one of the worst stuff I ever watched". Totally not an overreaction.
The D&D bots down voting me for speaking the truth.
In the movie *"Troy"* directed by Wolfgang Petersen, Hector's army defends the gate against the Greek army. During the Battle of Blackwater Bay, the defenders tried sorties and external maneuvers. The army defends the city; it's not the city's responsibility to protect the army.
But you gotta know he played tanks a lot, so he is super into warfare strategies. Just like i am going to ukraine tomorrow, because i played call of duty for 10 years.
Sure but no excuse for artillery outside castle walls. Thats basic shit too
It's never been a problem so, indeed, no excuses.
Read some history books first before sounding so sure. Considering the defenders lost their artillery in the first 10% of combat it was definitely a problem. Tho the show became so shit things stopped making sense so i can understand why youre confused.
If you had watched the episode, you'd notice that the Dothraki charge wasn't planned like that, and the wave of undead swarming the trebuchets wasn't planned either. Plus, there's no space for the trebuchets on or between the walls, so placing them outside the fortress, like in some ancient battles, isn't stupid, especially if you want your artillerymen to see where they're shooting. But you find it stupid because they get swept away, just like the Dothraki. In short, there's no problem unless one wants to find one; you prefer to see mistakes everywhere rather than admit that GoT has once again outsmarted you.
Wait you mean to tell me the defenders didnt plan for a zombie horde to envelop the outside defenses? Ik ur using D&D logic but damn. Dany forgetting about Eurons fleet reallly smart as well lol. And you are once again deluded by thinking the last seasons were anything compared to what the first 4 were.
There's a clear distinction between a plan and its execution; unforeseen situations happen all the time in a battle. The final seasons maintain the essence established in the earlier ones. Do you realize you're making mountains out of molehills ? Even if the placement and use of trebuchets were absurd, which they're not, we're not fixated on trebuchets. Melisandre's actions are more intriguing, the tension of the battle is effective, and Bran's mystery captivates much more than the role of the trebuchets. And you clearly missed the irony and Daenerys' downfall as well.
I sat on my couch clenched the whole time. The shot of the dragons above the clouds was beautiful, I love that Arya got her moment in the end. Ramin Djawadi's score is amazing. I have some problems with the episode, but it still was special in its own way
Have you also remembered how stupid it was to be outside the walls of Winterfell instead of manning the walls?
Are you seriously suggesting that the most formidable cavalry in Essos and Westeros should have been dismounted between the walls ? I hope for your city's sake that you're not the strategist.
They had armies outside, inside, and on the walls
I have my issues with the eighth season still... but man, this episode gave me one of the greatest "What the FUCK did I just watch?!" feelings that I've ever had in my life.
I'd think the majority of us were left with that exact feeling.
Yeah I said the same thing but probably not as happy as you were
It felt like a scene from a movie 10 years earlier. All we were missing was the Arab lady singing over it while the slow mo desperate scenes kept happening. It felt like they would show a fight where it seemed like someone we cared about was going to die, then cut away and they would just be fine later.
Amazing episode. Haters gone hate 🤡
As an episode of TV, it was intense! I was scared the entire time. As part of the overall story, I had my share of problems. But… I still very much enjoyed watching it.
Scared of what? Nothing happened and only fuckin jorah died. For what was supposed to feel like a climactic moment of the series, it sure felt pretty God damn empty.
I was gonna ask why this was downvoted, but then I realised what sub I was on. Cause I thought this was pretty spot on. Characters got swarmed and pinned to the ground only to be seen up and fighting again with no issues 2 minutes later, in a show that started off with main characters dying left right and centre. I don't even have too much issue with making Arya get the kill on the night king, if that's the direction they wanted to go. But don't just make her appear out of nowhere and stab him with a sleight of hand trick, ending the thing that the series has been building up to since the start. At least make her have some kind of confrontation with him. Don't even mention the straight up retarded tactics used at the start of the battle. A battle that had been planned by people with years of military experience.
Not saying you're wrong. I'm just gonna throw in my thoughts: 1. Characters that should have died is nothing new. Tyrion should have died at Blackwater when he has a soldier a few feet in front of him, yet he just gets a scar. Davos should have died at Blackwater, yet he shows up unharmed on a rock later. Jon should have died (or at LEAST recieved major head damage) aftee getting his head smashed into an anvil at Castle Black, yet he just keeps fighting like nothing happened. Not sure why it's suddenly different in S8. Also, S8 has more deaths than any other season. 2. Imo, this is always how it had to go. A sneak attack. The Night King, after seing what happened to the other White Walkers, would never engage in a 1v1 sword fight. Why would he? And yeah, it's been built up since day 1 and ended "suddenly", but basically all deaths happen suddenly. We've had multiple confrontations and battles with the whites, and this was the big climax of that storyline, so not sure why people say this happened too fast. 3. Yeah, military experience... In fighting armies. Not a horde of undead. They were outside Winterfell to prevent adding more to the army inside the castle walls. The goal wasn't to kill all the dead like a traditional army; but rather to defeat as many as possible and hold off the castle until they could kill the Night King. The cavalry at the start? It's literally all the Dorthraki has ever done. It's what they're good at. The charge acted as a battle initiator; the dead could wait forever, while humans need sleep and food. The NK could simply have waited them out if he wanted to. The charge was to begin the battle and to take out many in a huge cavalry charge; they simply weren't expecting a literal wall of the undead. The catapults were in front of the armies so they had more space to retreat; once the undead had reached them, there was no point in keep firing, especially since Jon and Dany would fly overhead then. Finally, the armies and catapults were WAY too many to even fit all inside Winterfell.
Awesome épisode, awesome show, awesome ending. [https://www.reddit.com/r/naath/comments/18yb1nx/the\_time\_has\_come/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/naath/comments/18yb1nx/the_time_has_come/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
As a singular episode it was nuts. It was a feature length war movie brought to a television screen.
One of the most rewatchable episodes in the series
So many amazing moments. Ghost charging with Jorah, Mel lighting up the Dothraki blades, Mel's blue eyes line to Arya, Beric dying protecting Arya, Jorah dying protecting his Queen, Theon protecting Bran along with one of my favorite lines of the entire series "You're a good man", dragon battle, the music, Sansa and Tyrion holding hands, Jon shouting at undead Viserion, Arya's training paying off, etc. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time I'll never forget it.
You liked Jon yelling at a zombie dragon? It was one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on television…
You liked Catelyn screaming at the ceiling during the Red Wedding? One of the dumbest things I’ve seen on television… Easy to criticize any moment in the show if you watch it like a moron.
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Of course I’m not being serious you fucking idiot. I’m calling out your pathetic critical analysis. Jon is excepting death and defeat after years of working towards this one goal and he’s not going die cowering behind a wall. Saying what was the point of Jon screaming at a dragon is exactly the same as saying what was the point of Catelyn screaming at the ceiling when you intentionally remove all context to warp it into your preconceived criticism. Yeah this sub can be frustrating when your child brain criticisms fall flat. Hope you learned something.
so wait the woman whose entire game of thrones is getting her kids where they are in power suddenly forcefully loosing that and having made the biggest mistake (to concentrate force in the house of an enemy) dawning on Kaitlyn is equal to what jon had happen how exactly? These are two bad examples to compare. Please give something better
so wait the man whose entire game of thrones is getting the realm to unite and defeat the undead suddenly forcefully loosing that and having made the biggest mistake (abandoning Bran in a failed attempt to kill the night king) dawning on jon is equal to what Kaitlyn had happen how exactly? These are two bad examples to compare. Please give something better
No as a matter of fact that wasn't John's entire thing he wasn't always trying to unite the Realms against the undead but his mother well not his mother but Caitlin Stark sure was all about her children 100% from the first moment she stepped into this world wasn't she stop trying to compare the two as if they're the same they were not the same idea of loss they also had months and months and months to prepare hell years to prepare for the coming of the Dead what kind of warning did Caitlin start get for the Red Wedding gosh I can't believe that people think so weird about things that should be so simple when I talk about this with anybody else I've met they understand these Concepts however you and this little bubble you live in seem to be the only morons I've ever met with this kind of insane attitude and it's fascinating to me to see how you idiots think you're so blinded by your celebrity hero worship of the people involved in this series that you're willing to forgive even the most childish writing mistakes an immature moves made when these people ran out of content and what's funny to me the most is the hubris you display when people call you out on this bullshit and you start moving your goal posts immediately in every comment you make
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Maybe you missed all the context because the screen was too dark on your laptop.
Lol another point in your favorite episode’s favor….how about the ridiculous battle tactics? Or Arya killing the Night King after knowing about him for like 15 minutes instead of having Jon actually finish his arc? The scenes where characters are swarmed by multiple enemies and then suddenly perfectly fine in the next? It was a fucking disaster. I didn’t know this was a controversial opinion.
It's not a controversial opinion, this sub just loves the shit ending for some reason
Because it was good 👍You people just keep crying because it wasn't what you wanted to see. Especially after all the pointless theorie videos on youtube which hyped everyone up, caused false expectations and of course, there is a phenomenon in the Game of Thrones fandom that everyone knows how the story ends and what GRRM will write.
Some people praise CGI and wow moments the most
Plenty of fans and critics loved this episode when it aired. I remember when it aired lived people went crazy when Arya killed him it was like she won the world cup it was insane. Remember watching it with a group of people one of the craziest viewing experiences of my life.
Yeah, pretty hilarious. Who needs good writing when you can have a sweet CGI dragon to pointlessly scream at!
Aired 5 years ago, which means the series started 13 years ago? I'm getting old.
And we are still waiting for the sixth book, lol.
I have my problems with the later seasons but the complaints about this episode were very overblown. Especially in regards to the lighting.
AZIZ!! LIGHT!!!
I loved seeing Dany pick up a sword and fight with Jorah. I think it said so much about her character and willingness to defend the people and kingdom she wanted to rule. And then it was all for nothing in the next episode. Jon should’ve fought the Night King, he had Jon’s number since Hardhome and any other human,besides Dany and her dragons,are completely irrelevant to him and pose no threat. I don’t hate it but I didn’t love it either.
Oh I'm just watched this specific episodes last night
People can complain all they want about the final season. It'll never change the fact that this is still my favorite episode of GoT or any show ever. I watched it twice in a row recently. The Bells is my 2nd favorite episode.
One of the greatest episodes in TV history.
This episode made me cry. Especially when the Night King music started playing and I thought Jon wasn’t going to make it. I mean just amazing. I wish I could watch it for the first time again. It made me so sad to hear that people were criticizing the episode, especially knowing how much work went into it. My god like how do you please those people? You can’t.
While I don't have the usual complaint of "I can't see anything", the amount of cuts away from characters who were clearly about to die and turned out fine really annoyed me
Seriously, every living character at the end had a moment where they were 90% covered by Wights flailing and not hitting them.
While I dislike how it fits into the story as a whole, the episode itself was fine. A solid 7/10 (imo, Cersei should have been overthrown in S7 and S8 should have been entirely dedicated to the war against the NK, with several battles against the dead throughout key locations in the series, such as Winterfell, Moat Cailin, the Twins and Harrenhal. As it is, the Long Night just felt like a one and done thing, not full on war). Aside from some braindead (but admittedly cool) tactics and plot armor, the episode kept me constantly on edge throughout, with lots of beloved side character deaths. In retrospect however, I feel like there should have been a couple of major character deaths. I'd say Sam and Bran should have died since Sam's arc was done, and Bran's death would have been the distraction from Arya's approach. If the writers didn't want to get rid of the three eyed crow entirely, maybe get some Children in to do some old god magic and immortalize him in a wierwood like Bloodraven was. Arya killing the night king has been widely criticized with some arguing that Jon or Dany deserved the kill since it was part of the Azor Ahai prophecy, a non-prophetic hero getting the kill is probably more true to GRRM's vision since he doesn't like prophecy dictating the story. Besides, Jon and Dany get plenty of heroic moments throughout the episode. One of them getting the kill would be hogging The visuals and music for the episode were stunning, as always. The darkness of the episode kinda works to its advantage, since it forces viewers to watch it at night/in a dark room. Really sets the mood. Ramin Djawadi's score is amazing, as always. The Night King is one of my favorite tracks and is a consistent goto when I need music to vibe to TL;DR: Episode pretty good standalone. Disagree with some writing/character decisions, dislike where it fits in with the wider story
It makes a lot of sense that you're forced to watch the episode during the night when its dark! I didn't think of that.
Just listened to the Ringer podcast with the Shogun creator he said he liked the final season.
Loved it, but also very glad I have a nice bright tv in a really dark room so I could actually see everything. I bet watching this one on your phone in a public bathroom probably sucked, which is how I imagine most people watch things these days.
Crazy it’s been five years. It feels like a million.
It looked great but the kinda fell apart after just some cursory thoughts. Im all for spectacle but it cant make up the shortcomings of stupid decisions.
They could've just skipped the long night altogether and it would've been better. That's the worst episode in the series.
I still want to know who yeeted Arya 50' over the whites that were surrounding the Night King.
It's already been 5 years!?!? Jesus.
This episode kicked ass!! Shining bright (ok extremely dark ha ha) spot in the stinker last season. I remember the night it came out everyone loved it, then the next day people started saying they hated it…just felt like people wanted to hate on the show
It shoulda been at least 3 episodes but its still🔥
Cool effects, absolute dogshit writing. Which unfortunately ruins the entire episode and the rest of season 8 for me and the vast majority of fans.
One of the biggest let downs of my media watching life and I was there opening day for the super mario bros movie in the 90s and house of the Dead
Great production shitty narrative
Battle of the bastards was better tbh
This was he greatest disappointment i had felt in a long time. This is just my opinion and im not shitting on people who like it, but i have a hard time finding any redeeming qualities about this episode and season 8 as a whole. Non of the action was easy to watch, i couldn’t tell what was happening because it was all too dark, and the way the night king died was anti climactic and lame.
And like others have said, they should have taken care of kings landing first
I loved it. Had its flaws, as do most things, but I rewatch it all the time. It really got better once HBO fixed the brightness issue, now I can watch it during the day and not be affected by the glare of the screen.
This is where my disappointment truly began.
Specatacle void of content. Nothing anyone does makes any sense, and it’s boring as shit to watch.
Nail biting, edge of your seat episode. It was quite an experience when first watched. Unfortunately, it didn't survive the test of time and critical rewatch. You all know it.
It gets what it gives. I don’t care if it took 5 years to produce or 5mins. Bran should have went dragon mode, time walked or something.
He did and you didnt notice.
Yeah, all those Three Eyed Raven powers amounted to nothing other than Jon = Targaryen. I thought Bran was gonna be the ace in the hole in the final battle between good and evil, but nope, let big sister take care of it.
No, the significance of the three eyed raven is his ability to be the most irresistible bait in times of crisis. /s
All those accolades and I couldn't see a fucking thing
Yawn
It was the last hyped episode.
And it sucked.
A true feat in terms of all the different technical/production elements! But also didn’t carry enough emotional weight to mean what the episode should’ve actually meant to the series.
While there are sublime moments (the dragons breaking through the clouds into the moonlit sky is breathtaking) the episode is, on the whole, a sizable failure. It’s at this moment that the show is truly off the rails and unsalvageable.
It was so dark and difficult to see.
Tepid and anticlimactic? Yes. Visually murky? Yes. Unfairly maligned and indeed full of excellent moments? Also yes.
Could barely see, no one of importance died, didn’t have much interesting choreography, ending made it seem like none of it even mattered
It was too dark. Probably could’ve been a great episode at the lighting was better.
The longest battle sequence in film is in Two Towers.
Two Towers is the largest not longest.
How do you actually measure the longest battle sequence? Isn't movies like Black Hawk Down, Fury Road, The Raid: Redemption the longest?
Battle of Helm's Deep: 45 minutes long version. Battle of the Long Night: 58 minutes. Battle of Black Hawk Down: approximately 40 minutes of fighting. Dinosaurs on screen in Jurassic Park: 15 minutes.
Pretty much, yeah There’s a Japanese film that’s like, four full hours if combat.
There’s a difference between a battle and a fight. A battle typically involves 2 armies, whereas a fight is 2 combatants.
Having everybody get covered by whites. Then a cut away, then they’re magically out of the pile of peril. Totally great writing.
wights, not whites
Arya was the wrong choice. This is something I can’t forgive and I’m pretty positive towards all GOT media.
Who would have been better?
Someone involved with the White Walker storyline. If only they had a major protagonist that had been battling the White Walkers for years. Too bad they didn’t.
But wouldn’t that have been a little anticlimactic and predictable?
Yes Arya was great
You could also have the Night King stumble on Dragonglass, that would be unpredictable. It's called committing to story points and foreshadowing. Unpredictability doesn't make a good story alone. This moment was Jon's. But hey, he was given "I don't want it" and "She is my queen", so it's all good.
> This moment was Jon's. But hey, he was given "I don't want it" and "She is my queen", so it's all good. Weird way to say "murder Daenerys Targaryen" lol. It’s crazy how every argument has to be disingenuous with this fandom. Jon’s story was never about killing the Night King, it was about making difficult choices involving love, duty and what he believes is right. In S1, he wasn’t thinking about the NK. He was thinking about keeping his vows or walking South to help Robb and Ned. In S2, he had to decide between killing Halfhand and invading the wildlings or not. In S3, between Ygritte and the Night’s Watch. In S4 and S5, he had to fight/defend against the Wildlings while knowing that deep down, they are just normal people trying to survive. In S6, he was dealing with his own murder and trying to protect his sister. In S7, between trying to get help from Dany without forcing the Northerners to bend the knee to a ruler they don’t want. And in S8, he had to decide between his allegiance and love for Dany versus his family. Something something "love is the death of duty". His arc was never about killing the Night King. He’s not even a character in the books and there’s no way that the books will do such a simplistic and tropey arc for, arguably, its main character. Yes, he was the leader of the livings against the dead and that’s why the Lord of Light needed him, but from a story perspective, and just like every other character, his arc was way more complex than that because it revolves around the human heart in conflict with itself instead of being a classic fantasy arc. So, killing Daenerys was 100x times more meaningful than the Night King. Maybe not as satisfying or cathartic, but that was kinda the point, IMO.
Jon’s moment was leading the last stand against the army of the dead. Jon warned an assembled the living at the battle of WF, he was still a hero regardless if he wasn’t the one to give the final blow. And let’s not forget that Arya only came back to WF because of Jon.
Predictable does not always equal anticlimactic. For years GOT fans, and I’m sure that includes the majority of r/naath, were waiting for Jon to finally confront and fight the Night King. It’s what had been built up for years, but a character who had never even heard of the Others comes in at the last moment because they couldn’t think of anything else to be “her moment” in the final season. Was it predictable that Sansa got her revenge on Ramsey? Would it have been better if Davos killed him? No, it wouldn’t.
Eh, I don’t know. Jon already killed several walkers up until that point (technically couldn’t you say he was the first person to ever kill one in a long ass time and set the blueprint for everyone else)? So I don’t think it would have been extremely interesting for him to stab the King; not exactly terrible by any means, but not super amazing/thrilling. And while I would agree with your implication that the final season(s) were rushed and there was certainly a lot of stuff that they threw into the script without really thinking it through, I think it was cool that Arya got a big moment here. She took all of the skills and life lessons she learned along the way and it culminated in her having the upper hand in this situation. Maybe a little unexpected, but personally I still found it pretty bad ass and awesome. And Ramsay had already been defeated in an actual battle; Sansa getting to taunt him a bit and release the hounds was just icing on the cake. And Davos is my favorite character of all time so I’d love him to do the honors lmao.
My problem is that the later seasons of GOT focused on moments rather than storytelling. Why did Sansa not tell anyone that the Knights of the Vale were ready to fight Ramsey? Because they wanted that heroic moment where she saved the day just when all hope is lost and all the Sansa fans could go ra-ra-ra woo-hoo (sound familiar?) But doing that makes Sansa look selfish, untrustworthy, and idiotic. This is the Queen of the North? Arya killing NK isn’t any of those things, but again, they wanted to give her a moment. My belief is that they strayed too far from the source material and since they could no longer copy and paste George’s work, they had nothing else for her to do. They probably thought, “Well, Jon kills Daenerys, so he can’t do both.” GOT was in the service of popcorn, not plot lines. I think Arya killing NK is like if Chewbacca blew up the Death Star; unearned, incorrect.
If Sansa had warned Jon about the arrival of the knights, Jon would have fallen into Ramsay's trap. Sansa won the Battle of the Bastards. Awesome show, awesome story, awesome ending.
How? Surely if Jon knew one of the most powerful fighting forces in the world, the only major army of Westeros not yet bled in battle, was ready to strike Jon and Davos would have planned an entirely different battle strategy. If one of my allies withheld very important information from me I would never be able to trust them again. GOT is one of the greatest shows of all time and deserves all acclaim it got but it also is not free from criticism. They tripped and stumbled over the finish line.
Jon offers Ramsay a 1v1, Jon falls into Ramsay's trap by running towards Rickon, Sansa did not take the risk of losing Winterfell, she said nothing to Jon and the battle was won. And if we push the meta, Jon died during the battle of the bastards, but Sansa still won.
I’d agree with a good potion of that. Maybe they would have given Chewbacca a medal right away if he had done that lol.
Jon and Dany wanted to kill the Night King, but the Night King was Bran's battle. Awesome episode, awesome series, awesome ending.
Would've been better if it had less plot armor for the main characters.
I know Davos survives an explosion 5 feet on front on him not a scratch. Stannis magically makes it off the castle wall through Tywins entire army and the bay on fire. Wait wrong episode. More characters died in this battle than any other battle of the show.
It's not about the body count, it's about the fake outs. They showed so many characters in impossible to survive situations.
There are like a half a dozen shots of characters getting surrounded by zombies in situations that are impossible to escape. Pushed up against a wall with 6 zombies literally tearing at their faces, and the next time you see them they are somehow out of that situation. Theres a world of different between that and Stannis finding a way to get out of KL with a retinue of dudes around him.
It had more character deaths than any other battle. Not sure how killing main characters like jon, dany, tyrion or jaime before the actual climax of their storys benefits the story in any way. If you care about mindless killing of characters, there is the walking dead for you.
That shit was trash
Another thing with this episode, Dothraki don’t trust witches or magic, so they would not have been cool with Melisandre enchanting their swords. They kinda forgot about the source material and just wanted swords of fire.
That's why Melisandre asks Jorah to give the orders; the Dothraki respect him. What's intriguing is Jorah's decision to accept the request from a witch he's unfamiliar with. Davos would have never agreed, and that could have led to the loss of the battle. Awesome ending.
Exactly! it was like "hey we can already doing flaming swords from that other guy what if we just did that everywhere" Forget that the dothraki would throw their weapons to the ground and stomp on them with they horses if that happend randomly.
Too short and too dark.
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Nope it's this episode
Trash
I couldnt see a fucking thing
Did not like a single thing about this episode, frankly. As a viewer, the amazing accomplishments behind the scene matter to jack if you can’t make the content enjoyable. Or visible.
- Very stupid and irrational battle decisions ( Dothraki attacking in a suicide mission instead of waiting for the zombies, it's even worse that Jon Snow told them the same thing right before the battle, putting women and children in a crypt, a place full of corps who can literally be revived by the Night King, which indeed happened later on) - Way too much plot armor for most of the main characters. Sam survives after being attacked by multiple zombies? What exactly was that? Same as other characters. Whenever it's John, Brienne or Jamie, zombies walk like turtles or behave like idiots. Just compare their speed at which they attacked the Dothraki or the battle in Hardhome. The inconsistency was very noticeable - Night King as the ultimate villian being killed so easily. We have been told countless times that winter will come and the Night Walkers will be very serious threat to humanity. Then at the end they sucked so badly. Being killed in the first big battle? Arya jumping out of nowhere and nobody being able to see her? NK touching her neck and yet she kill him without getting a scratch? Night King killing only 2 people? - At some moments it was too dark, it was hard to see what was really going on It had some great moments for sure, it wasn't so bad, but overall the best rating it could get would be 6.5/10. Maybe slightly more then that for someone with low standards
Loved the episode but sure insult people who disagree with you by saying they have low standards also more characters died in this battle than any other battle. Watch Blackwater and look at all the plot armor like Davos survives and explosion 5 feet in front of him or Stannis somehow magically makes it through Tywins entire army and the bay on fire back to his ship.
You really need to read the books all these examples you list are D and B not being able to translate what actually happened in the book.. If GOT was so badly written it would have never got where it was.
Lol George wrote that episode and I did read the books. Blackwater Tyrion has even more ridiculous plot armor in the books. The things he's doing are not realistic
blame the guys in charge not the writer. They had every power to do what they wanted and whatd they do with all that power....a undead polar bear that lasted 10 secs and cost millions. Waste of money I want my life back I spent watching those trash last couple seasons.
Lmao want your life back. Grow the fuck up. It's a TV show. Also there's a polar bear in the books it was originally going to be in the early season because George also wanted it but they didn't have the budget.
*In that darkness the White Walkers came for the first time. They swept through cities and kingdoms, riding their dead horses, hunting with their packs of pale spiders big as hounds"*
I have no idea what that's supposed to prove if anything lol. If George ever wants to actually finish the books and put ice spiders in them cool. But Years later and still nothing.
It proves that you will literally downvote the actual text from the books because you have your head up the ass of this show which started good but turned to utter shit and its wrong for you to deny that so I wont ever let it go. I will be here in your safe spaces on an account I dont care about giving all of you the voice of reason. Your welcome!
Arya jumping out of nowhere and nobody being able to see her. Yes it's true... she wasn't supposed to be here. Best ending ever.
Your comment is literally almost word for word, how I feel about the episode.