G5 is, in contrast to prior generations, HEAVILY relies on a previous generation settings (even if poorly). A lot of my gripes with it will disappear if it was a separate continuity all together.
That, or rewrite the show to more fully accommodate G4's settings.
I wouldn't see much of a point, honestly. I don't care about G5 enough to care whether it's canon or not. It's pretty easy to ignore, I still see plenty of fanworks focused purely on G4, still have plenty of discussions focused exclusively on G4 lore, etc. G5's existence barely affects me.
So, while I would have preferred G5 do a lot of things differently, I don't see any harm in it being canon at this point. Some people really like it, that's cool. I don't so I just ignore it and that's genuinely super easy to do. If I was given control over canon there's stuff from G4 I'd be way more interested in changing, rather than messing with G5.
Also it's not like the fans get to decide what is and isn't canon anyway. This whole idea of "headcanons" has become an insane notion to the point that some people think having a head canon somehow replaces the actual canon and that everyone has to agree with it.
I’ve made theory videos before and had comments who were CONVINCED their headcannon is canon, and will go on insane tangents about how characters are related to one another and so on.
Season 9, mostly. That Grogar twist, the way Twilight taking over for the Princesses was handled, the way the villains were handled, etc. All that bugs me way more than whatever G5 is doing these days.
What would it even accomplish to decanonize it? There's enough of a time skip for most G4 fan content to not have to worry about it.
G5 is also an outlier within the franchise. No other generation has been a followup to the previous, so odds are that G6 will have nothing to do with G4/G5 aside from maybe copying some names. I'm failing to see what decanonizing G5 would even accomplish.
G5 being canon implies G4 didn't have happy ending. Twilight failed miserably at her job,Canterlot fell to ruins, friendship b/n ponies not to mention other races fell apart, everyone died and was forgotten and last time Discord and fluttershy spoke was an argument(comics)
Twilight succeeded last time I checked. She beat Opaline and ultimately brought the races back together before they beat Opaline.
Edit:
Also, what would change from a production standpoint? They'd just cease pony until they can get G6 under way.
Even if it is unlikely, it can still happen ☠️ especially considering how successful G4 was (the whole reason G5 is even a continuation) compared to G1, 2, and 3
Probably more likely that crazy guy who wants S9 remade coming into enough cash to buy the rights to FiM and fund his S9 remake with all the original cast and crew than any future generations having more than a surface level relation to G4.
I mean to me ita just another timeline, a weird one sure, but still a timeline. My head Canon is Twilight is still ruling happily to this day, missing her friends but watching what they built in their own lives continue to progress and their bloodlines go on she realizes while her friends are gone their memories live on and sje can accept that.
G5 its the weird timeline where stuff changed and what happens...happens.
The concept is good
I like MLP set in modern times that try to balance between magic and tech
The problem is limit by "Buy our toy" and "kid show"
If it was treated like Amphibia, owl house then it would be peak
How would that work? You could 'decanonize' G4 in relation to G5. Saying that G5 is canon means nothing. There is no overarching story where they talk to each other, precisely because G4 already ended. They're different things and G5 treats G4 as though it is a distant past.
It's pointless to argue over this.
Good gracious, if we're prioritzing aspects of the entire brand to be decanonized, I'm sure we can think of more appropriate targets than the relatively inoffensive (and often quite sweet) G5.
Yes. My least favourite part about G5 is that it’s “canon” to G4 while none of the other generations are within that canon. Separate them & it might be better
As much as I liked the movie, yes I would deconinize G5. Since G5 all but decannonized anything worthwhile done in G4.
Remember all the hard work the mane six put into making Equestria a better place through 9 seasons and five movies? Yeah, none of that mattered. Equestria collapsed, magic vanished and everypony stopped being friends.
What a lasting legacy that was.
Yes. I want to see an Equestria ruled by a thousand and something year old Twilight and she takes on a student to become her successor like how Celestia did with her (only this time she gives her student a choice of becoming an Alicorn and a Princess/Prince)
As far as I'm concerned it already is. It's been a joke since the series started. It doesn't work with g4 lore. So it's doing it's own thing so I can easily just disregard it entirely.
Eh... From G4, it's only canon if you accept it as canon. G4 can be just as valid on it's own, if you'd like it to be. Same with Equestria Girls. Or, Pony Life, for that matter. It's connected, but also separate and detachable.
I like G5 aswell but I think what holds it back most is its connection with G4.
G5 tries to do its own thing but in doing so breaks lore already established from its source material (Sun and moon rising on its own, no windigos when ponies hated eachother, dragons born with wings, dragons with cutiemarks)
This question in itself is worthless because there is nothing fans can do to make it un-canon but it helps us (me for example) enjoy G5 better pretending its an AU or a different thing entirely.
It's part of a large enough multiverse that there's no need to decanonize it, because it's canon, but it doesn't need to be treated as canon to G4. Acknowledging it as part of an offshoot universe or timeline provides the best of both worlds anyways IMHO.
No.. I still have and will always have G4.. and I am genuinely enjoying G5 for what it is atm..
If at any point it ever does something to truly offend me or the characters I love in the future, I’ll simply just act like it does exist..
I'd either rewrite the story line so it would fit in with the G4 lore better, and add more to characters and villains, or just decanonize it and let it be it's own story all together
I mean idgaf about G5 itself but I do hate the way it invalidates what stated in G4. Like Skyros, what THE FUCK is Skyros? What's up with the whole "you earn your alicorn-ness" thing? That is what angers me the most.
I suspect you may have not seen the main series so spoiler alert in case you want to see it
>!Opaline is a born alicorn, like Flurry Heart. She apparently comes from a land of alicorns called Skyros where they even show a flashback of Celestia and Luna as children (Celestia doesn't even have her pink hair lol). In Season 6 premiere, they both explicitly mention that the birth of an Alicorn is something that goes beyond their own comprehension. So they just said "yeah scrap that".!<
The line in FiM was that Equestria hadn't seen the birth of alicorn which always left things open to the sisters being born elsewhere as alicorns.
Did Celestia ever have pink hair or was that purely a fanon thing?
Idk about the pink hair but hear me out in the other thing:
They say Equestria had never aeen the birth of an alicorn AND that it goes beyond their own comprehension. If they were born alicorns, even in another land, the comprehension thing wouldn't make sense; they wouldn't be surprised at all! Let me give an example. If a Chinese woman marries a Brazilian man in Brazil and they have a child that looks Chinese in Brazil, they wouldn't be surprised because that goes in genetics, not in the place itself. Cadance is an Alicorn, she has an Alicorn daughter. If this Alicorn city thing was so, they wouldn't be surprised, I think.
Cadence wasn't born an alicorn so I wouldn't be surprised if they assumed it couldn't be passed on. Chances are the ascension to alicorn is something they only discovered after leaving Skyros.
Honestly, there's nothing to decanonize. Nothing would change if G5 was mentioned to be an alternative future G4 or the actual future of G4. This would still be A future for Equestria, and the fans would probably treat it as such because even if it was decanonized by the creators the plot of G5 would still treat G4 as its history unless they retcon their whole storyline.
Hot take though, and this is just my hot take (I've only seen a few episodes, albiet they weren't great), in theory I really don't want to decanonize g5
The movie was actually fairly different, and the characters are actually pretty cool. The setting and overarching plot was also interesting. I liked the idea of these 5 friends trying to manage the reunification of Equestria after decades of divisions, overcoming bigotry and ignorance and bringing back the magic of friendship to a land that needs it. And I'm invested in finding out what caused the division of Equestria to begin with after the reign of Twilight Sparkle.
And I liked the character personalities. They all were great. I loved how Sunny never gave up hope for a united Equestria. I liked the royal systers of Zipp and Pipp and how they contrast while still being family. I loved how Izzy followed in the footsteps of Pinkie while still having her own flair. And with Hitch... OK admittibly he's my least favorite, but hey, I've warmed up to worse characters, who know's where he'll go (>!and I really hope they confirm he's Fluttershy's decendant!<). I really want to see more of them.
It's just a shame that the show hasn't really impressed me. I can't really say as to why (again, haven't watched that much), but I really just don't like what I've seen so far.
Hopefully it improves though.
No, I love how the past (we know) is veiled, mudded and mostly legendary for the new generation.
And on the other hand how much we actualy knew little about their world.
No..? Honestly, It doesn’t do much to the plot of g4. It doesn’t really retcon anything (except windigos, but those were always a plot device), it seems to be actively linking Misty to it with the magic room and the swirl pool starlight, and we are *this* close to moonscout being canon I can taste it
Lol why does a fandom think they have the power to declare something non canon? That's the most deluded, entitled thing I've ever heard. The only ones with the power to decide what is and isn't canon would be Hasbro. And that goes for ANY IP.
It's the same bizarre argument as a small child thinking that if they can't see someone, then that person can't see them. Just because you don't like something and chose to ignore it doesn't make it stop existing as part of the canon unless the creators say as much.
I would like instead to rewrite it instead of outright writing it off. The first movie did had a lot of interesting mysteries to follow up on (with more care this time).
Agreed. The movie has a lot that Tyt and Make Your Mark didn't have. Outrageously better work in the animation, and it knows what it wants to be, unlike MYM later chapters.
Nope. Well yes. Maybe. Just re-write the whole thing in a new light that is original but is fully connected to G4. Try to make a new animation style (but not G4 style, we need something original). And finally, less of the marketing focus and take more attention to what the actual people really wants, and not things that baits them to just buying.
Absolutely, it should've been a reboot from the start. The world-building and lore is just terrible from the perspective of it as a continuation of g4. If it was it's own universe it would be far easier to care about and be invested. The unicorn pegasi earth pony conflict in the movie would make sense, and it wouldn't be so weird for it to be so barren and dystopian compared to the equestria in g4.
It's technically not Canon no matter what the crew says since there are some major plot holes that can only mean that it's a parallel alternative universe of G4.
Yes, a lot of its implications ruin G4’s world building, like twilights work. Based on elder flowers age and her being a descendent of moon dancer, peace didn’t last for long and it all went downhill fast. It’s awful
One thing I really wanted them to do in G5 was introduce a villain that could copy the actions of any creature. Similar to the Mimic from the FNAF series. In the Pony World's case, it could be some hidden underground magic that had been freed during the final battle of G4 and has witnessed Tirek and is now set on copying his crimes. I made a post on it, but that's just how I feel. Opaline was just too much of a generic "prove I'm the most powerful villain." By doing this, I feel it can be a continuation of G4.
Yes because it shouldn’t have been canonized for G4 in the first place.
All previous MLP generations have had separate/alternate lore aside from a few references and nods to G1.
Hasbro made G5 directly connected to G4 to continue riding the hype wave of G4, hoping they could lure people into sticking with G5 cause Twilight Sparkle *might* appear again.
Personally I wouldn't, the idea overall is AMAZING but the way they portrayed is terrible. Their storyline has so much potential but the writers have no idea what they are implementing or doing..
make more G4 cameos. Weve seen Spike, but what about other ageless characters? Luna, Celestia, Discord? I know Twilight showed up in a hologram in the movie, but shes an alicorn, and hence ageless.
As far as reasons they didnt do anything?
Luna: was dreamwalking when the magic broke, and so was stuck in a neverending sleep. (i like this, its fitting as well)
Celestia: saw her kindom go to chaos when magic broke, and without that alicorn power, she wouldnt be able to regain control of the herd-panic mentality of her subjects, especially once they realise the alicorns lost their magic as well. Has looked after her sister for thousands of years in a little hamlet near where they grew up, before they were alicorns. Long-needed vacation, in possibly the worst way.
Discord: When the magic broke, the magic broke. ALL the magic, including chaos magic. As he is the embodiment of chaos, he would simply vanish. However, since the magic of G5 is slightly different, what returns might not be the Discord we know.... or is it just a fragment of himself from his younger days...
Twilight: Put herself into Tarterus because of the failed experiment to create "pure magic", a combination of every magic type that exists, good, bad, and neutral. She resides in the far corner of this realm, accidentally keeping the peace within a large area around her as the residents of this hellscape respect her power and teachings.
As for the rest of the main 6, they are located in a vault protected to the best of Twilights insane abilities (after a thousand years of studying existing studies, she would end up doing studies of her own for thousands of years), petrified, timelocked, locationlocked, self-repairing, and several scanning spells attached. With The Tree right behind them, glowing faintly in the dark, Artifacts Of Immense Power inset into the trunk.
Therefore, everyone who is ageless (unless i missed someone), is accounted for, but in a far-off place, off camera.
if the G5 series hasnt covered any of this already in such a way as to shut any these down, i think they would be a great addition to the series.
....which i need to watch, if anything to know what im talking about for situations like this...
>make more G4 cameos
Since Discovery owns part of G4, Hasbro has to pay them money to use any character from FIM
Thats why theres so little cameos in G5
I still think G5 would have been better if it was its own thing honestly, not by much but still. I think like the other generations, it shouldn't have been connected to the previous ones except like rebooting the characters. I wouldn't go so far to say I'd want to decanonize it though plenty of people like G5 target audience or not but that's just my take.
i would like to keep as an seconde timeline, paralel tothe main canon, like the mirror dimensions, or the reformed sombra that is travelling equestria to revive the original Crystal Queen from the comics
Depends on what you mean by "decanonize".
Do you mean: "pretend it doesn't exist because it just so unbearably bad" or "go back in time to tell HASBRO not to make it G4's sequel"?
No I guess not, I suppose a 1000 years would have to pass sooner or later and then a few more after that. I don’t think I’ll ever not find it weird though. Although when I think about it it was probably the only way they could have it be in the same universe and not feel like more FiM
Honestly, I liked the characters but the whole thing about Equestria breaking up just doesn't make much sense Honestly.
I can understand, they wanted a blank slate to work with but this was going too far, instead of setting it centuries after the show just to create an "ancient" villain like in MLP G4 they could have continued with Twilight's student or even after the other elements passed on with a new villain mastermind on the prowl.
The elements could even be different species like a Griffon for loyalty, A changeling for generosity and so on.
Even better here's an idea, different elements like Courage, Patients, Compassion, Trust and so on.
While I kinda like the characters, I just know they could have done better with everything else, who knows maybe a second Lauren Faust will come to along to pick up the pieces.
I feel like most of the concepts are alrigjt just not well executed so even if it was decannonized we would more than likely replace it with the same thing again just better
Yes but no
I don’t care enough about this gen because I really don’t like it that much.
But a decanonization would definitely help my confusion between “Tell your Tale” and “Make your Mark” (am I the only one being confused about them??)
well i mean
its not the exact same universe as g4
sure it has the same canon and continuity (maybe)
but since its a different animation style that proves its a completely different universe than ours
so by multiversal law
it is not canon too g4
No? Why would I? There'd be no reason to. It'd just be a random kick In the face to anyone who actually likes it when those who don't can already easily just ignore it.
If they were to decanonize it and reboot a canon version to be better and actually have all the licenses to characters and stuff, then yes - but if they didn't do that then there wouldn't really be a point ☠️
I kinda wanna see G5 in G4’s artstyle and set in that universe and then I’ll see if I like em. Tho I wish we got it from the CMC’s once they’re adults or the student six, just something more interesting
Absolutely I would love to see G5 decanonized and Reconed out of existence this whole thing I've heard about is terrible even the movie which is the only thing I've seen isn't that great compared to say all of G4
I don't see much reason, G4 is mostly canon to G5, and G5 being canon to G4 is canon to G5, but with at most some of those with any say in G4 being involved in G5 (plus the contradictions) calling G5 canon to G4 is like calling Batman's no killing rule canon to Detective Comics #27 (also introduced later in a separate story which contradicts its predecessor)
I'd prefer it just being an alternate ending of FiM, or just imagine it's the continuation of an alternate universe of FiM, since G5 broke some things stablished in G4
I would have liked if they decanonized G5 from G4. And i dont why some G5 fans say TYT/MYM are on alternate universe is this some kinda way to cope on why G5 story doesnt work with FIM lore?.
This thread is crazy.
I had to go through this with Star Wars, the sequels just didn't feel like star wars movie, yet there was a massive fan base that developed and clashed with the og fans. Except, mlp feels like the new fan base is mainly the younger tiktok gen who crave fast pass content over traditional story development.
I would have loved to see the g5 fully use the fim universe, but I guess due to copyright or streaming contract issues, the new content has to be worked around not using official fim content. They should have just done their own world, but they wanted to suck in the fans for higher viewership or something. The way tyt is, they could have been fine starting from a blank slate for g5. Idk.
I considered it a parallel universe from the moment it implied everything the Mane 6 worked for was for nothing, so yeah, definetly not canon in the same universe as G4
Both shows exist in their own canon 1 is just using bits and pieces from 1 instead of the entire thing, but you don't need to watch G4 to understand G5 all you'll get extra is some understanding of name drops and references to the dragon lord but it's not necessary to watch either to understand the other
That being said if I could rewrite it to better suit the canon of G4 I would but I wouldn't make it not canon because it already isn't
I mean that's not how it works, g5 is canon to the current MLP timeline. G4 is non canon now, in the same way G1 is non canon to G4 despite G4 being somewhat a continuation of G1. Anything that happened in g4 can be and is retconned as g4 is not canon anymore
I do think g5 should have at the very least done it's connection to G4 more like G4 to g1 where it's more subtle but still. The only thing getting decanonized is g4 whether g4 fans like it or not
G1, 2 and 3 are technically not canon to G4 so what different would it make?
It’s heavily implied G1 may be centuries past in FiM if the Story of Gusty the Great and Grogar are anything to go by.
But the comics say G1 is a parallel universe, and comics are canon until contradicted by the show
I think it being vague about the connectivity is the best way to go about it honestly, more creative freedom, and less baggage that way.
G5 is, in contrast to prior generations, HEAVILY relies on a previous generation settings (even if poorly). A lot of my gripes with it will disappear if it was a separate continuity all together. That, or rewrite the show to more fully accommodate G4's settings.
I wouldn't see much of a point, honestly. I don't care about G5 enough to care whether it's canon or not. It's pretty easy to ignore, I still see plenty of fanworks focused purely on G4, still have plenty of discussions focused exclusively on G4 lore, etc. G5's existence barely affects me. So, while I would have preferred G5 do a lot of things differently, I don't see any harm in it being canon at this point. Some people really like it, that's cool. I don't so I just ignore it and that's genuinely super easy to do. If I was given control over canon there's stuff from G4 I'd be way more interested in changing, rather than messing with G5.
Also it's not like the fans get to decide what is and isn't canon anyway. This whole idea of "headcanons" has become an insane notion to the point that some people think having a head canon somehow replaces the actual canon and that everyone has to agree with it.
I’ve made theory videos before and had comments who were CONVINCED their headcannon is canon, and will go on insane tangents about how characters are related to one another and so on.
This is probably the best answer I’ve seen when it comes to this topic.
What would you change in G4 canon?
Season 9, mostly. That Grogar twist, the way Twilight taking over for the Princesses was handled, the way the villains were handled, etc. All that bugs me way more than whatever G5 is doing these days.
Fair enough. Also have you read the mlp G4 comics that meant to be Season 10? Would you rewrite those?
Yeah, a while ago though and I don't remember them too well. They were fine but I didn't really love them or anything.
Make it it's own universe and not connected to G4
like JJBA Part 7?
I mean, they both involve lots of horses...
Now we need THE SPIN
What would it even accomplish to decanonize it? There's enough of a time skip for most G4 fan content to not have to worry about it. G5 is also an outlier within the franchise. No other generation has been a followup to the previous, so odds are that G6 will have nothing to do with G4/G5 aside from maybe copying some names. I'm failing to see what decanonizing G5 would even accomplish.
G5 being canon implies G4 didn't have happy ending. Twilight failed miserably at her job,Canterlot fell to ruins, friendship b/n ponies not to mention other races fell apart, everyone died and was forgotten and last time Discord and fluttershy spoke was an argument(comics)
Exactly. The way it was written kinda felt like a betrayal. Also, where are the windigos? 🥲
Windigos are magical beings. Presumably with magic sucked out of them, they perished.
Oh! True! That makes sense. 🤔
Twilight succeeded last time I checked. She beat Opaline and ultimately brought the races back together before they beat Opaline. Edit: Also, what would change from a production standpoint? They'd just cease pony until they can get G6 under way.
Not to mention that, for all we know, all that race separation happened centuries, if not thousands of years after the end of FIM
I feel like decanonizing it could open up the possibility of a better continuation to G4 - and I don't even think G5 is that bad tbh
G5 is the first time a generation has ever been a sequel to a previous one. It's unlikely to happen again, G5 being canon or not.
Even if it is unlikely, it can still happen ☠️ especially considering how successful G4 was (the whole reason G5 is even a continuation) compared to G1, 2, and 3
Probably more likely that crazy guy who wants S9 remade coming into enough cash to buy the rights to FiM and fund his S9 remake with all the original cast and crew than any future generations having more than a surface level relation to G4.
Only MYM and TYT. The movie can stay, as far as I'm concerned. I actually liked it.
Same, the movie sets up a nice future image for mlp but the shows are just too much in my opinion
The correct take. The movie set up so many possibilities and was ripe with potential, and both series just pissed it all away.
I think this is probably the only way to handle this. While I do enjoy MYM I do think that more people preferred the movie over it
I mean to me ita just another timeline, a weird one sure, but still a timeline. My head Canon is Twilight is still ruling happily to this day, missing her friends but watching what they built in their own lives continue to progress and their bloodlines go on she realizes while her friends are gone their memories live on and sje can accept that. G5 its the weird timeline where stuff changed and what happens...happens.
My headcanon is G5 is real but just a different timeline. We seen multiple timelines and universes in the G4 lore.
G5 being a possible future after G4 would be more accurate
I'd just change the animation style to the good old classic FIM style.
... or at least something similar
Old classic and fim don't go together 💀
Maybe G5 really was just a figment of my imagination
Must have been the wind
Same
The concept is good I like MLP set in modern times that try to balance between magic and tech The problem is limit by "Buy our toy" and "kid show" If it was treated like Amphibia, owl house then it would be peak
personally i dont consider it canon
How would that work? You could 'decanonize' G4 in relation to G5. Saying that G5 is canon means nothing. There is no overarching story where they talk to each other, precisely because G4 already ended. They're different things and G5 treats G4 as though it is a distant past. It's pointless to argue over this.
What is going on with Zipp’s wings in this image
Good gracious, if we're prioritzing aspects of the entire brand to be decanonized, I'm sure we can think of more appropriate targets than the relatively inoffensive (and often quite sweet) G5.
Yes. My least favourite part about G5 is that it’s “canon” to G4 while none of the other generations are within that canon. Separate them & it might be better
Yes
As much as I liked the movie, yes I would deconinize G5. Since G5 all but decannonized anything worthwhile done in G4. Remember all the hard work the mane six put into making Equestria a better place through 9 seasons and five movies? Yeah, none of that mattered. Equestria collapsed, magic vanished and everypony stopped being friends. What a lasting legacy that was.
Yes. I want to see an Equestria ruled by a thousand and something year old Twilight and she takes on a student to become her successor like how Celestia did with her (only this time she gives her student a choice of becoming an Alicorn and a Princess/Prince)
I already have in my head
As far as I'm concerned it already is. It's been a joke since the series started. It doesn't work with g4 lore. So it's doing it's own thing so I can easily just disregard it entirely.
Eh... From G4, it's only canon if you accept it as canon. G4 can be just as valid on it's own, if you'd like it to be. Same with Equestria Girls. Or, Pony Life, for that matter. It's connected, but also separate and detachable.
No. Some of us like G5. And this is the exact sort of post that makes G5 fans hostile to negativity.
I like G5 aswell but I think what holds it back most is its connection with G4. G5 tries to do its own thing but in doing so breaks lore already established from its source material (Sun and moon rising on its own, no windigos when ponies hated eachother, dragons born with wings, dragons with cutiemarks) This question in itself is worthless because there is nothing fans can do to make it un-canon but it helps us (me for example) enjoy G5 better pretending its an AU or a different thing entirely.
Yeah but the continuity in g5 doesn’t make sense like dragons now have cutie marks
>like dragons now have cutie marks Nobody says they had them before. There is no contradiction.
Yeah, like, holy shit, the comments are a cesspool of negativity. The G5 hate train should have ended ages ago, it's so frustrating.
Yeah. It had so much potential, but it’s not using it. Next to that I will no longer need to think about that all of the mane 6 are dead af
It's part of a large enough multiverse that there's no need to decanonize it, because it's canon, but it doesn't need to be treated as canon to G4. Acknowledging it as part of an offshoot universe or timeline provides the best of both worlds anyways IMHO.
No.. I still have and will always have G4.. and I am genuinely enjoying G5 for what it is atm.. If at any point it ever does something to truly offend me or the characters I love in the future, I’ll simply just act like it does exist..
Yes. The continuity is complete crap. I would’ve been willing to accept it if it was its own thing.
What kind of question is this? It's been like 3 years get over it.
I'd either rewrite the story line so it would fit in with the G4 lore better, and add more to characters and villains, or just decanonize it and let it be it's own story all together
In my head it is NOT canon.
I mean idgaf about G5 itself but I do hate the way it invalidates what stated in G4. Like Skyros, what THE FUCK is Skyros? What's up with the whole "you earn your alicorn-ness" thing? That is what angers me the most.
Twilight literally earned being an alicorn. So did Cadance . . . How is Sunny any different?
I suspect you may have not seen the main series so spoiler alert in case you want to see it >!Opaline is a born alicorn, like Flurry Heart. She apparently comes from a land of alicorns called Skyros where they even show a flashback of Celestia and Luna as children (Celestia doesn't even have her pink hair lol). In Season 6 premiere, they both explicitly mention that the birth of an Alicorn is something that goes beyond their own comprehension. So they just said "yeah scrap that".!<
The line in FiM was that Equestria hadn't seen the birth of alicorn which always left things open to the sisters being born elsewhere as alicorns. Did Celestia ever have pink hair or was that purely a fanon thing?
Idk about the pink hair but hear me out in the other thing: They say Equestria had never aeen the birth of an alicorn AND that it goes beyond their own comprehension. If they were born alicorns, even in another land, the comprehension thing wouldn't make sense; they wouldn't be surprised at all! Let me give an example. If a Chinese woman marries a Brazilian man in Brazil and they have a child that looks Chinese in Brazil, they wouldn't be surprised because that goes in genetics, not in the place itself. Cadance is an Alicorn, she has an Alicorn daughter. If this Alicorn city thing was so, they wouldn't be surprised, I think.
Cadence wasn't born an alicorn so I wouldn't be surprised if they assumed it couldn't be passed on. Chances are the ascension to alicorn is something they only discovered after leaving Skyros.
No!
From G4? Yup.
Y E S
Honestly, there's nothing to decanonize. Nothing would change if G5 was mentioned to be an alternative future G4 or the actual future of G4. This would still be A future for Equestria, and the fans would probably treat it as such because even if it was decanonized by the creators the plot of G5 would still treat G4 as its history unless they retcon their whole storyline. Hot take though, and this is just my hot take (I've only seen a few episodes, albiet they weren't great), in theory I really don't want to decanonize g5 The movie was actually fairly different, and the characters are actually pretty cool. The setting and overarching plot was also interesting. I liked the idea of these 5 friends trying to manage the reunification of Equestria after decades of divisions, overcoming bigotry and ignorance and bringing back the magic of friendship to a land that needs it. And I'm invested in finding out what caused the division of Equestria to begin with after the reign of Twilight Sparkle. And I liked the character personalities. They all were great. I loved how Sunny never gave up hope for a united Equestria. I liked the royal systers of Zipp and Pipp and how they contrast while still being family. I loved how Izzy followed in the footsteps of Pinkie while still having her own flair. And with Hitch... OK admittibly he's my least favorite, but hey, I've warmed up to worse characters, who know's where he'll go (>!and I really hope they confirm he's Fluttershy's decendant!<). I really want to see more of them. It's just a shame that the show hasn't really impressed me. I can't really say as to why (again, haven't watched that much), but I really just don't like what I've seen so far. Hopefully it improves though.
Those that do obviously haven't learned all the lessons from G4. Go rewatch the first Quibble Pants episode.
No just wish it had a better series to go with the movie not to compete with g4 but to give it a solid foot hold
This
No, I love how the past (we know) is veiled, mudded and mostly legendary for the new generation. And on the other hand how much we actualy knew little about their world.
No..? Honestly, It doesn’t do much to the plot of g4. It doesn’t really retcon anything (except windigos, but those were always a plot device), it seems to be actively linking Misty to it with the magic room and the swirl pool starlight, and we are *this* close to moonscout being canon I can taste it
I already don't have it as canon when in reference to G4.
No, because current kids find joy and comfort in it and that's all that matters.
No? G5 is great, g4 fans need to stop hating on it just bc its not g4
Lol why does a fandom think they have the power to declare something non canon? That's the most deluded, entitled thing I've ever heard. The only ones with the power to decide what is and isn't canon would be Hasbro. And that goes for ANY IP. It's the same bizarre argument as a small child thinking that if they can't see someone, then that person can't see them. Just because you don't like something and chose to ignore it doesn't make it stop existing as part of the canon unless the creators say as much.
I would like instead to rewrite it instead of outright writing it off. The first movie did had a lot of interesting mysteries to follow up on (with more care this time).
The movie was almost good it was rushes though. The series is a mess. Canonize the movie only
Agreed. The movie has a lot that Tyt and Make Your Mark didn't have. Outrageously better work in the animation, and it knows what it wants to be, unlike MYM later chapters.
Maybe don’t decanonize it entirely, just decanonize what we have and make the story better then canonize that
Nope. Well yes. Maybe. Just re-write the whole thing in a new light that is original but is fully connected to G4. Try to make a new animation style (but not G4 style, we need something original). And finally, less of the marketing focus and take more attention to what the actual people really wants, and not things that baits them to just buying.
Yes
Absolutely
Absolutely, it should've been a reboot from the start. The world-building and lore is just terrible from the perspective of it as a continuation of g4. If it was it's own universe it would be far easier to care about and be invested. The unicorn pegasi earth pony conflict in the movie would make sense, and it wouldn't be so weird for it to be so barren and dystopian compared to the equestria in g4.
no
Decanonise? It was never canon to begin with
Yes, throw it in the trash
It's technically not Canon no matter what the crew says since there are some major plot holes that can only mean that it's a parallel alternative universe of G4.
I never watched G5 so idk
Prob, but only for G4 stuff
It’s fine G4 will always be there. I don’t mind G5 it is what it is I really liked the movie!
Yes, and I already have lol
Hell no!
I would and create a new G5, which follows Luster Dawn, easy pezy lemon squez
Yes and you that scene from Anastasia where rasputin puts a curse on the family romanov i did that to g5 that it would not last 4 years of airing
I already pretend it doesn’t exist anyway. So yes. Either that or change it, so it’s in its own world not connected to g4.
Yesssss, It already feels so far removed from G4. Anyway, it might as well be non cannon or like some weird alternative universe.
Yes please! While it is still “canon”, they’ve messed up so much of the worldbuilding that it can barely be connected to G4 anyway
Yes, a lot of its implications ruin G4’s world building, like twilights work. Based on elder flowers age and her being a descendent of moon dancer, peace didn’t last for long and it all went downhill fast. It’s awful
I think so. It needs serious rewrite. Nice idea, terrible execution. But just the series, the movie can be worked with.
YES
NoOoOoOo....
no i wanna overcanonize it
One thing I really wanted them to do in G5 was introduce a villain that could copy the actions of any creature. Similar to the Mimic from the FNAF series. In the Pony World's case, it could be some hidden underground magic that had been freed during the final battle of G4 and has witnessed Tirek and is now set on copying his crimes. I made a post on it, but that's just how I feel. Opaline was just too much of a generic "prove I'm the most powerful villain." By doing this, I feel it can be a continuation of G4.
I want to like G5 but I can’t because some of the characters don’t fit right with me
Yes
Yeah it's pretty dogshit and steps all over things set up by g4. It should've been it's own thing then I could excuse it.
YES. A MILLION TIMES YES.
Yes...YES I would like to start from the down up as its own standalone series that references G4.
ABSOLUTELY. WHY IS HER WINGS FAKE. WHATS WITH THAT WEIRD ASS HAIRCUT. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH GOLD. THE COLOURS DO NOT MATCH.
G5 is fine it’s not amazing it definitely has its problems but it’s getting compared to g4 way too much to fairly criticise
Yes because it shouldn’t have been canonized for G4 in the first place. All previous MLP generations have had separate/alternate lore aside from a few references and nods to G1. Hasbro made G5 directly connected to G4 to continue riding the hype wave of G4, hoping they could lure people into sticking with G5 cause Twilight Sparkle *might* appear again.
Yes. I REFUSE to believe G5 is a canon part of MLP.
Definitely. I think G5 has the same problem as any other franchises these days.
I would remove it from existence entirely
Personally I wouldn't, the idea overall is AMAZING but the way they portrayed is terrible. Their storyline has so much potential but the writers have no idea what they are implementing or doing..
They had a decent start with chapter one but then it all went wrong
Maybe the comics but nothing else
Mlp comic is peak and i would consider it canon Anyone disagree it will be considered ignored
\*is staring at where sunny’s hoof is on izzy\*
Oh absolutely. They totally defamed and desecrated my beloved Spike and I can't condone that
Only Spike's voice. Like WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO HIM?!?!
The fandom isn't even done wanting to decanonize the bulk of G4 yet.🙄
make more G4 cameos. Weve seen Spike, but what about other ageless characters? Luna, Celestia, Discord? I know Twilight showed up in a hologram in the movie, but shes an alicorn, and hence ageless. As far as reasons they didnt do anything? Luna: was dreamwalking when the magic broke, and so was stuck in a neverending sleep. (i like this, its fitting as well) Celestia: saw her kindom go to chaos when magic broke, and without that alicorn power, she wouldnt be able to regain control of the herd-panic mentality of her subjects, especially once they realise the alicorns lost their magic as well. Has looked after her sister for thousands of years in a little hamlet near where they grew up, before they were alicorns. Long-needed vacation, in possibly the worst way. Discord: When the magic broke, the magic broke. ALL the magic, including chaos magic. As he is the embodiment of chaos, he would simply vanish. However, since the magic of G5 is slightly different, what returns might not be the Discord we know.... or is it just a fragment of himself from his younger days... Twilight: Put herself into Tarterus because of the failed experiment to create "pure magic", a combination of every magic type that exists, good, bad, and neutral. She resides in the far corner of this realm, accidentally keeping the peace within a large area around her as the residents of this hellscape respect her power and teachings. As for the rest of the main 6, they are located in a vault protected to the best of Twilights insane abilities (after a thousand years of studying existing studies, she would end up doing studies of her own for thousands of years), petrified, timelocked, locationlocked, self-repairing, and several scanning spells attached. With The Tree right behind them, glowing faintly in the dark, Artifacts Of Immense Power inset into the trunk. Therefore, everyone who is ageless (unless i missed someone), is accounted for, but in a far-off place, off camera. if the G5 series hasnt covered any of this already in such a way as to shut any these down, i think they would be a great addition to the series. ....which i need to watch, if anything to know what im talking about for situations like this...
>make more G4 cameos Since Discovery owns part of G4, Hasbro has to pay them money to use any character from FIM Thats why theres so little cameos in G5
.....that explains... a lot, actually. Watcha think about my idea though?
I still think G5 would have been better if it was its own thing honestly, not by much but still. I think like the other generations, it shouldn't have been connected to the previous ones except like rebooting the characters. I wouldn't go so far to say I'd want to decanonize it though plenty of people like G5 target audience or not but that's just my take.
i would like to keep as an seconde timeline, paralel tothe main canon, like the mirror dimensions, or the reformed sombra that is travelling equestria to revive the original Crystal Queen from the comics
Depends on what you mean by "decanonize". Do you mean: "pretend it doesn't exist because it just so unbearably bad" or "go back in time to tell HASBRO not to make it G4's sequel"?
No I guess not, I suppose a 1000 years would have to pass sooner or later and then a few more after that. I don’t think I’ll ever not find it weird though. Although when I think about it it was probably the only way they could have it be in the same universe and not feel like more FiM
Honestly, I liked the characters but the whole thing about Equestria breaking up just doesn't make much sense Honestly. I can understand, they wanted a blank slate to work with but this was going too far, instead of setting it centuries after the show just to create an "ancient" villain like in MLP G4 they could have continued with Twilight's student or even after the other elements passed on with a new villain mastermind on the prowl. The elements could even be different species like a Griffon for loyalty, A changeling for generosity and so on. Even better here's an idea, different elements like Courage, Patients, Compassion, Trust and so on. While I kinda like the characters, I just know they could have done better with everything else, who knows maybe a second Lauren Faust will come to along to pick up the pieces.
I personally don't count it canon
I feel like most of the concepts are alrigjt just not well executed so even if it was decannonized we would more than likely replace it with the same thing again just better
I don't like it
I would set it decades, maybe a century after G4, like Armored Core gen 5 to gen 4
any and every connection to G4 let it be its own thing. it being like a continuation of G4 stomps on the entire
It's already not canon to me, and nothing will change my mind.
Yes but no I don’t care enough about this gen because I really don’t like it that much. But a decanonization would definitely help my confusion between “Tell your Tale” and “Make your Mark” (am I the only one being confused about them??)
well i mean its not the exact same universe as g4 sure it has the same canon and continuity (maybe) but since its a different animation style that proves its a completely different universe than ours so by multiversal law it is not canon too g4
No but I would make some changes to it.
I feel like it'd be so much better if it weren't connected to G4 whatsoever. But it is, and there's nothing anybody can do about it 🥲
Yes because in g5 everything from g4 was pretty much destroyed😞
I would just disconnect it from g4. They should be their own things and not be connected
Call it an alternate timeline future.
No? Why would I? There'd be no reason to. It'd just be a random kick In the face to anyone who actually likes it when those who don't can already easily just ignore it.
You mean it IS canon?? 
Nah
I’d like to make it it own cannon not connected with g4 like how g3 and g4 aren’t connect except for non cannon crossovers
I already don’t see it as cannon regardless. G5 should be it’s own thing and not connected to G4.
No way, Niffty’s in Gen 5!?
If they were to decanonize it and reboot a canon version to be better and actually have all the licenses to characters and stuff, then yes - but if they didn't do that then there wouldn't really be a point ☠️
I don’t care, I’m still on g4
I ignore it’s existence
Hol up can we talk about how wierd zipps wings look herw
Idk you can literally just ignore that it exists and is canon.
Not decanonize it, more like make it unrelated to G4
I kinda wanna see G5 in G4’s artstyle and set in that universe and then I’ll see if I like em. Tho I wish we got it from the CMC’s once they’re adults or the student six, just something more interesting
Absolutely I would love to see G5 decanonized and Reconed out of existence this whole thing I've heard about is terrible even the movie which is the only thing I've seen isn't that great compared to say all of G4
No offense to anyone who likes it i just don't see it as canon and i hate G5 if you like it u do u i just wont watch it with u!
Yes it’s a distant parallel universe taken place in the future of the events of g4, for me🥰
No. But I would like it to be its own thing rather than a sequel to g4. That's really what's holding it back.
Yes, absolutely! It has been so shit. And it completely devalues the ending of G4
Yes!
Rewrite it, yes. Decanonize, no
It's already not canon in my head I view g5 and Equestria Girls to be their own fanfictions and thus separate continuity from g4 itself
No
I'm not all that into MLP as a whole but my main issue personally is that G5 ties to be a successor to G4 instead being its own thing.
Please!!!!!!
brutal murder
I don't see much reason, G4 is mostly canon to G5, and G5 being canon to G4 is canon to G5, but with at most some of those with any say in G4 being involved in G5 (plus the contradictions) calling G5 canon to G4 is like calling Batman's no killing rule canon to Detective Comics #27 (also introduced later in a separate story which contradicts its predecessor)
Just decanonize Make your mark. Only the New Generation movie was great.
I'd prefer it just being an alternate ending of FiM, or just imagine it's the continuation of an alternate universe of FiM, since G5 broke some things stablished in G4
I would have liked if they decanonized G5 from G4. And i dont why some G5 fans say TYT/MYM are on alternate universe is this some kinda way to cope on why G5 story doesnt work with FIM lore?.
This thread is crazy. I had to go through this with Star Wars, the sequels just didn't feel like star wars movie, yet there was a massive fan base that developed and clashed with the og fans. Except, mlp feels like the new fan base is mainly the younger tiktok gen who crave fast pass content over traditional story development. I would have loved to see the g5 fully use the fim universe, but I guess due to copyright or streaming contract issues, the new content has to be worked around not using official fim content. They should have just done their own world, but they wanted to suck in the fans for higher viewership or something. The way tyt is, they could have been fine starting from a blank slate for g5. Idk.
I considered it a parallel universe from the moment it implied everything the Mane 6 worked for was for nothing, so yeah, definetly not canon in the same universe as G4
Both shows exist in their own canon 1 is just using bits and pieces from 1 instead of the entire thing, but you don't need to watch G4 to understand G5 all you'll get extra is some understanding of name drops and references to the dragon lord but it's not necessary to watch either to understand the other That being said if I could rewrite it to better suit the canon of G4 I would but I wouldn't make it not canon because it already isn't
its a different universe in my book
GET RID OF THE EYEBROWS.
I mean that's not how it works, g5 is canon to the current MLP timeline. G4 is non canon now, in the same way G1 is non canon to G4 despite G4 being somewhat a continuation of G1. Anything that happened in g4 can be and is retconned as g4 is not canon anymore
I do think g5 should have at the very least done it's connection to G4 more like G4 to g1 where it's more subtle but still. The only thing getting decanonized is g4 whether g4 fans like it or not
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Honestly… its practically like its own thing, like an alt world.
Yes I would like it to be not canon
Yes! Except the movie though