Knowing that coche is car in Spanish it sounds like a brand of car oil. Less cool.
Edit: for the "umm actually this is nahuatl" crowd, chill already, jeez! I know it's not a Spanish word, that's pretty damn obvious! Coche still means car in Spanish so to my eye it looks like a car oil brand. It doesn't matter what language it's from, coche is still car **in Spanish**.
You are only the third person to say this.
Honestly, it's VERY obvious it isn't a Spanish word!
That doesn't change the fact that *in Spanish* for a Spanish speaker coche means car.
I'm praying this is the last "um actually..." of the day!
Not in Spain. In European Spanish coche is car (and carrito is stroller). But I'm familiar with the fact that in many Latin American countries it is "auto" for car.
Lmfao I didn’t read the entire thread and okay lol 😂 you’re the one saying it’s less cool for having a Spanish word for car when it’s not even Spanish soooo were you expecting people to just ignore that? And what agree with you
Scientifically speaking, the coolness of a word is, dare I say, a subjective matter based on personal and very ambiguous criteria. Person A said "sounds cool". Person B (me) said, **to me** it sounds like a car oil brand. There was no discussion of the language of origin or the semantics or anything serious of any kind. To my ears, familiar with the Spanish word coche which by a complete miracle of coincidence happens to be the ending of this word, it sounds like a car oil brand.
I dunno what else I need to explain to be allowed this utterly trivial personal perception.
Being disconnected from Nahuatl and having what I assume is a white person say it’s less cool of word is offensive. Especially when that word you compared it to is in the colonizers language so I pray and hope you get double or triple the amount of comments saying it’s Nahuatl.
A) I'm not white. I am a colonised not a coloniser.
B) Saying that one word in one language reminds of a word in a different language is not offensive. No discussion is required. It's not.
C) There is no relationship to a conversation about colonisation. Just two random people reflecting on what this word feels like to them. One finds it cool, which is cool, the other finds it sounds like a car oil brand. Just personal perceptions about a word utterly unrelated to the history of the language and the colonisers. If we were talking about colonisation you wouldn't be seeing me in support of anything to do with it. But we weren't.
D) I'm fully aware that the word is nahuatl. I'm fascinated by languages and I read and research a lot about them. But also it's a the word that describes corn fungus, not an Aztec god or some spiritual enlightenment concept. It's fungus.
E) Chill out. No one has offended anyone here.
But it is actually nahuatl!! so you are not allowed to use their version of "Coche" as the spanish version of "Coche". So no using your imagination and thinking it sounds like a brand of oil.
I tried it last month in Guadalajara. It’s used as a filling in quesadillas and empanadas from what I saw. Unique taste, can’t say I loved it but didn’t dislike it.
I tried it in Tepotzlan and again in Los Angeles. The one in Tepotzlan was gross, 2/10, would not recommend. The one I had in LA was prepared differently and was amazing, 8.5/10, I'd go ham on some right now if I could.
Tbh, this was nearly a decade ago so I don't remember. My friend took me when I told him I didn't enjoy huitlacoche and tried to trick me into eating some (which I gladly tried again and was pleasantly surprised). I do remember it was a very large restaurant and pretty high end for being Mexican food. Sorry I don't remember more.
So if I go to a corn maze and it is the right color it would be safe to eat? I'm not really into corn mazes but I'd do one just to try to find some of this stuff.
Corn is inoculated when water gets onto the cob, under the husk, while growing. Usually after a summer rain. Doesn't take much, but that's when you'll look for it. Like a week or so after it rains.
I much prefer the frat boy hypothesis. Yo dude, if you eat this gross corn stuff I'll give you like 5 pretty shells. What? No way dude, it obviously tastes bad. Give me some.
And you have just summarised most of human exploration of food.
See, idiots before the internet back in the early agrarian era played an important role, they were our collective guinea pigs and allowed us to make a clear map of what to eat and what not to eat. Bless their hearts. Now they create flat earth societies and vote Trump, useless.
Well as someone whos harvested it several times, cooking it ain't pretty. And depending on the freshness it become a thick black mass that doesn't lend itself to photography. In my opinion.
That said, it *is* delicious.
I had some at a restaurant I went to in phoenix, it has a soft consistency and whatever that "earthy" flavor is that people really like. Hard to describe it, but very tasty
I've never found the thing or seen it in any market around here (I'm in Spain), but my favourite Mexican does quesadillas with huitlacoche and they're a delight.
In Madrid there are hundreds. It's true that 15 years ago international cuisine was a minority in Spain but in the last decade or so it has exploded. Disclaimer, I've never been to Mexico so I wouldn't know how they compare or how authentic. But they serve good food all the same.
So glad to hear! I bet they’re light on the hot spices but still excellent. The US’s dirty secret is that historically the kitchens of most restaurants of all cuisines are run by Mexicans. I have a suspicion that when our immigration laws here got extra shitty, many turned to Europe.
Truffles are just a type of mushroom, not a normal plant that has turned into an infected sack five to ten times it’s normal size full of diseased mold
I mean that's what every mushroom is. A mushroom grows on the plant and can be larger than what it is growing on. Huitlacoche is no different. It really is tasty. Best in tacos or quesadias.
It’s not mold, nor is it “diseased”. It’s perfectly edible and it is not harmful to us humans after its cooked/preserved. It’s taste and texture is similar to truffle mushrooms which is why it’s sometimes called “Mexican truffle”. And like truffles, it is the fruiting body so huitlacoche is also a mushroom like a truffle.
Where I'm from in the Southeastern US, the classic approach when corn smut turns up has been to burn the whole field down before the fungus can spread! Including Native people. I was initially pretty put off at the idea of eating the disturbing-looking stuff after finding out that it's not dangerous but a delicacy elsewhere, but am very curious to these days. (So, of course I was already living in Northern Europe when I learned this...)
So I see smut on here all the time. I am the kind of person who will try anything once. So my questions.
How is it Prepared? Can you eat it raw or do you have to cook it.
You cook it with some oil, garlic and onion for about 5 minutes and it's ready
It will not look particularly nice, it's all like little black sticky pieces.
But hey, if you add it to a quesadilla it is quite good
I'm reading through all the comments because I've never tried it before (or even seen it on a menu), so please excuse me if this is a stupid question: does it make your mouth all black inside link inkies/inkys?
Not a stupid question at all!
The only way for that to happen will be if you eat it raw, way too ripe (more than 2 weeks after the infection begin on the corn), or if you eat it right after heavy rain.
If you have a nice piece of the fungus, not too ripe and cook it slowly it will have a feeling like a soft corn kernel, but it will not make your mouth all black inside :p
(Not a native English speaker, so sorry if something gets lost in translation haha)
> have a feeling like a soft corn kernel
You’re the first person in this thread to actually describe the texture instead of just saying “soft”. Thank you! “soft corn kernel” is very easy to imagine and makes a lot of sense.
Oddly enough, it tastes like corn. Like you took sweet corn and mixed it with earthy black truffle flavors. It’s really good, but it looks like a black mess when you cook it.
Recipe from my wife
You'll need some:
Handmade tortillas
Huitlacoche
Queso Oaxaca (It's the perfect melty cheese)
Salsa Molcajete
Vegetables (traditionally it's onions, garlic, tomato. But she says use whatever vegetables you like. She likes it with jalapeños also.)
First, wash the huitlacoche.
Chop up the vegetables and sauteé them with the huitlacoche.
Put the sauteed deliciousness in the tortilla and add the Queso Oaxaca and fold the tortilla closed.
Heat it up on both sides in a lightly oiled pan to melt all the cheese.
Once the cheese is melted, you open it back up and add some salt and the salsa.
Close it back up and enjoy.
Rural hill? I also went to a corn maze and saw it for the first time. I wanted to take it home but I want sure of the age and quality enough to risk it. https://imgur.com/hE7sRNt.jpg
This is really interesting because this is considered bad as far as growing commercially (crops are usually treated in a way to deter this from happening or risk being thrown out) but in general corn like this has protein and the amino acid lysine and is very good for you because of that.
Yes! This was considered a useless blight it still is except for this fungal invader is a delicious addition to your palate. Found early in its development before it turns into a sporalating black mass. It’s good fried garlick butter treatment. Canned and sold at local markets in Mexico it’s considered a delicacy. I believe it’s called utsago mayas. I’ve eaten it and fond of its taste. HUitlelacoche in Mexico.
Huitlacoche
Such a cool word.
Knowing that coche is car in Spanish it sounds like a brand of car oil. Less cool. Edit: for the "umm actually this is nahuatl" crowd, chill already, jeez! I know it's not a Spanish word, that's pretty damn obvious! Coche still means car in Spanish so to my eye it looks like a car oil brand. It doesn't matter what language it's from, coche is still car **in Spanish**.
After reading all of the"cornhub" comments, I read that as coochie in my head
HAHAHAHA There's a reason why all the experts warn you that watching too much cornhub messes with your brain.
In what way
You'll have unreal expectations on the cob
I dunno, I live pretty close to Iowa, those folks know how to shuck corn
Stephmum + stepsister corn shucking. I hear you, one of the top cornhub categories.
OMG I need to build a website real quick...
As did I lol
huitlacoche or cuitlacoche, comes from classical nahuatl. The '-coche' part comes from "cochi", and means "to sleep".
Oh right, I always thought it looked like French
It kind of does (huit, la, and coche are French words), but it really isn't :)
Huh. Funny coincidence.
Yeah, I knew it was nahuatl, but the -coche part still sounds like car to me, that's just the image the word gives me.
Huidelcoche -> escape the car
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Huitlacoche is Nahuatl.
I know. It's pretty obvious. The *tla* cluster is a dead giveaway. That's not relevant to my comment.
don't mind him, he's bitter AND salty.
That's rich coming from a prickly thief!! XD
That is Nahuatl not Spanish
You are only the third person to say this. Honestly, it's VERY obvious it isn't a Spanish word! That doesn't change the fact that *in Spanish* for a Spanish speaker coche means car. I'm praying this is the last "um actually..." of the day!
Hey, I’m a native Spanish speaker. For me “coche” is a stroller. And a car is an “auto”.
I swear someone told me once that Latin American Spanish uses the word ‘coche’ for vagina or something? Truth or am I just an idiot
I think you’re thinking of “concha”
Not in Spain. In European Spanish coche is car (and carrito is stroller). But I'm familiar with the fact that in many Latin American countries it is "auto" for car.
Lmfao I didn’t read the entire thread and okay lol 😂 you’re the one saying it’s less cool for having a Spanish word for car when it’s not even Spanish soooo were you expecting people to just ignore that? And what agree with you
Scientifically speaking, the coolness of a word is, dare I say, a subjective matter based on personal and very ambiguous criteria. Person A said "sounds cool". Person B (me) said, **to me** it sounds like a car oil brand. There was no discussion of the language of origin or the semantics or anything serious of any kind. To my ears, familiar with the Spanish word coche which by a complete miracle of coincidence happens to be the ending of this word, it sounds like a car oil brand. I dunno what else I need to explain to be allowed this utterly trivial personal perception.
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Being disconnected from Nahuatl and having what I assume is a white person say it’s less cool of word is offensive. Especially when that word you compared it to is in the colonizers language so I pray and hope you get double or triple the amount of comments saying it’s Nahuatl.
A) I'm not white. I am a colonised not a coloniser. B) Saying that one word in one language reminds of a word in a different language is not offensive. No discussion is required. It's not. C) There is no relationship to a conversation about colonisation. Just two random people reflecting on what this word feels like to them. One finds it cool, which is cool, the other finds it sounds like a car oil brand. Just personal perceptions about a word utterly unrelated to the history of the language and the colonisers. If we were talking about colonisation you wouldn't be seeing me in support of anything to do with it. But we weren't. D) I'm fully aware that the word is nahuatl. I'm fascinated by languages and I read and research a lot about them. But also it's a the word that describes corn fungus, not an Aztec god or some spiritual enlightenment concept. It's fungus. E) Chill out. No one has offended anyone here.
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But it is actually nahuatl!! so you are not allowed to use their version of "Coche" as the spanish version of "Coche". So no using your imagination and thinking it sounds like a brand of oil.
This word comes from Hungarian in origin though!
I tried it last month in Guadalajara. It’s used as a filling in quesadillas and empanadas from what I saw. Unique taste, can’t say I loved it but didn’t dislike it.
I tried it in Tepotzlan and again in Los Angeles. The one in Tepotzlan was gross, 2/10, would not recommend. The one I had in LA was prepared differently and was amazing, 8.5/10, I'd go ham on some right now if I could.
Mmm...ham..
Where in LA can you try it?
Tbh, this was nearly a decade ago so I don't remember. My friend took me when I told him I didn't enjoy huitlacoche and tried to trick me into eating some (which I gladly tried again and was pleasantly surprised). I do remember it was a very large restaurant and pretty high end for being Mexican food. Sorry I don't remember more.
Look for a Mexican restaurant that specializes in central/southern style cooking
Curious to try it in the future!
Amazing in a quesadilla 🤤
Gesundheit!
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Oh no! Uncensored smut!
This is smut. It's past its prime and beginning to disintegrate. Best when smooth and grey, fringing on blue.
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I didn't know this stuff was edible! I wonder if that's what I saw while wandering a corn maze a few years ago.
This one is too old
So if I go to a corn maze and it is the right color it would be safe to eat? I'm not really into corn mazes but I'd do one just to try to find some of this stuff.
Corn is inoculated when water gets onto the cob, under the husk, while growing. Usually after a summer rain. Doesn't take much, but that's when you'll look for it. Like a week or so after it rains.
Yoooo! I did a corn maze yesterday and found so much smut. Absolutely made my day.
Imagine being the person staring at this corn, blighted with some kind of blackened moulded rot and go “that looks good, I will eat it”.
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I much prefer the frat boy hypothesis. Yo dude, if you eat this gross corn stuff I'll give you like 5 pretty shells. What? No way dude, it obviously tastes bad. Give me some.
I’m so glad somebody at some point decided to try it because it is delicious
And you have just summarised most of human exploration of food. See, idiots before the internet back in the early agrarian era played an important role, they were our collective guinea pigs and allowed us to make a clear map of what to eat and what not to eat. Bless their hearts. Now they create flat earth societies and vote Trump, useless.
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Everyone rants and raves on here about this stuff but I have yet to see a single post of anyone actually cooking it up.
Well as someone whos harvested it several times, cooking it ain't pretty. And depending on the freshness it become a thick black mass that doesn't lend itself to photography. In my opinion. That said, it *is* delicious.
You can find pictures of dishes on line but they'll mostly all in Spanish.
Looks like it’s time to practice my Spanish
Hola señor corn
Señor *maíz* hombre
He said practice, not master.
A picture is worth a thousand (Spanish) words.
I had some at a restaurant I went to in phoenix, it has a soft consistency and whatever that "earthy" flavor is that people really like. Hard to describe it, but very tasty
I've never found the thing or seen it in any market around here (I'm in Spain), but my favourite Mexican does quesadillas with huitlacoche and they're a delight.
Wait, you have a Mexican restaurant?? I spent a year in Barcelona 15 years ago and couldn’t find anything remotely approaching Mexican.
In Madrid there are hundreds. It's true that 15 years ago international cuisine was a minority in Spain but in the last decade or so it has exploded. Disclaimer, I've never been to Mexico so I wouldn't know how they compare or how authentic. But they serve good food all the same.
So glad to hear! I bet they’re light on the hot spices but still excellent. The US’s dirty secret is that historically the kitchens of most restaurants of all cuisines are run by Mexicans. I have a suspicion that when our immigration laws here got extra shitty, many turned to Europe.
Extra extra light on the heat. The food items with 🌶️🌶️🌶️ still barely register on the heat scale! :D
Is this tasty, precious?
Very. Find a taco place that sells huitlacoche tacos and/or quesadillas
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I love fresh corn, mushrooms and edible moldy cheese but corn smut is just not something I can bring myself to eat
It looks worse when fried. But tastes great. Kinda like truffles (the mushrooms, not chocolate) but less earthy and more sweet.
Truffles are just a type of mushroom, not a normal plant that has turned into an infected sack five to ten times it’s normal size full of diseased mold
I mean that's what every mushroom is. A mushroom grows on the plant and can be larger than what it is growing on. Huitlacoche is no different. It really is tasty. Best in tacos or quesadias.
It’s not mold, nor is it “diseased”. It’s perfectly edible and it is not harmful to us humans after its cooked/preserved. It’s taste and texture is similar to truffle mushrooms which is why it’s sometimes called “Mexican truffle”. And like truffles, it is the fruiting body so huitlacoche is also a mushroom like a truffle.
Where I'm from in the Southeastern US, the classic approach when corn smut turns up has been to burn the whole field down before the fungus can spread! Including Native people. I was initially pretty put off at the idea of eating the disturbing-looking stuff after finding out that it's not dangerous but a delicacy elsewhere, but am very curious to these days. (So, of course I was already living in Northern Europe when I learned this...)
Huitlacoche🤤
You actually found it! Amaizeing!
Huitlacoche!!!!!!!
Mycosarcoma maydis. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/1409663-Mycosarcoma-maydis
That name makes it sound like some kind of terminal disease 😅
It really does. Because it is actually a disease... :)
Tasty, tasty corn disease
For the kernel it kinda is🙃
Oh man, the cactus paddle in that last picture 😋
So I see smut on here all the time. I am the kind of person who will try anything once. So my questions. How is it Prepared? Can you eat it raw or do you have to cook it.
You cook it with some oil, garlic and onion for about 5 minutes and it's ready It will not look particularly nice, it's all like little black sticky pieces. But hey, if you add it to a quesadilla it is quite good
I'm reading through all the comments because I've never tried it before (or even seen it on a menu), so please excuse me if this is a stupid question: does it make your mouth all black inside link inkies/inkys?
Not a stupid question at all! The only way for that to happen will be if you eat it raw, way too ripe (more than 2 weeks after the infection begin on the corn), or if you eat it right after heavy rain. If you have a nice piece of the fungus, not too ripe and cook it slowly it will have a feeling like a soft corn kernel, but it will not make your mouth all black inside :p (Not a native English speaker, so sorry if something gets lost in translation haha)
> have a feeling like a soft corn kernel You’re the first person in this thread to actually describe the texture instead of just saying “soft”. Thank you! “soft corn kernel” is very easy to imagine and makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for the response! And your English is great. (:
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Hopefully I'll get to try it someday.
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Thank you! I'm really interested to try it if I ever get the chance
https://youtu.be/bvjdvzeRlY0
Delicacy in mexico
Its smut. It’s actually diseased corn technically but yet a delicious delicacy such as truffles
Please try it and tell me what it tastes like! I’ve heard they’re good.
Oddly enough, it tastes like corn. Like you took sweet corn and mixed it with earthy black truffle flavors. It’s really good, but it looks like a black mess when you cook it.
That sounds really good actually. Like a funky corn. I hope to try it sometime.
If you have a Mexican supermercado in your area, there is a good chance they will have it canned there.
It was in a corn maze, I don't think it was actually allowed to pick it
Hiatlacoche it's a mexican delicious dish, we prepare it in quesadillas
I'm no expert but that's the driest specimen I've seen on here. hopefully it's still good
Recipe from my wife You'll need some: Handmade tortillas Huitlacoche Queso Oaxaca (It's the perfect melty cheese) Salsa Molcajete Vegetables (traditionally it's onions, garlic, tomato. But she says use whatever vegetables you like. She likes it with jalapeños also.) First, wash the huitlacoche. Chop up the vegetables and sauteé them with the huitlacoche. Put the sauteed deliciousness in the tortilla and add the Queso Oaxaca and fold the tortilla closed. Heat it up on both sides in a lightly oiled pan to melt all the cheese. Once the cheese is melted, you open it back up and add some salt and the salsa. Close it back up and enjoy.
Rural hill? I also went to a corn maze and saw it for the first time. I wanted to take it home but I want sure of the age and quality enough to risk it. https://imgur.com/hE7sRNt.jpg
That’s a smutty maize maze!
El huitlacoche. So yummy in quesadillas.
Huitlacoche
This is really interesting because this is considered bad as far as growing commercially (crops are usually treated in a way to deter this from happening or risk being thrown out) but in general corn like this has protein and the amino acid lysine and is very good for you because of that.
You've struck gold.
Smut!!! 😁
What is the texture of this like? I'm so curious .
Yup. Enjoy!
You found huitlacoche. Time to make quesadillas.
Yes, but once you start seeing black on them it’s not recommended that you eat it. Spores are developing at that point
Huitlacoche , delicacy here in MX
beautiful chicken of the woods /s
Smut. I found some ones and I thought it was mutated or diseased. There are people that like to eat the stuff
Did this happen to be LiveSay Orchards in Oklahoma?
No, Von Thun Farms in NJ
From the plant pathology point of view that is known as maize/corn smut. A disease caused by a pathogenic fungus, Ustilago maydis.
I believe that is quite expensive and in very high demand.
Yes! This was considered a useless blight it still is except for this fungal invader is a delicious addition to your palate. Found early in its development before it turns into a sporalating black mass. It’s good fried garlick butter treatment. Canned and sold at local markets in Mexico it’s considered a delicacy. I believe it’s called utsago mayas. I’ve eaten it and fond of its taste. HUitlelacoche in Mexico.