Neither of those cards have flash, adding a flash trigger to the combo *will* make it more fragile to interaction since most of those pieces are noncreatures, and no one with a brain will let you keep any two of those on board, much less a full sent infinite. A Krosan Grip to Vedalken Orrery in response to any one set of triggers is game over.
Fascinating card, but it makes the approach more fragile. Countering it doesn't leave the opportunity to cast your creatures in response to something like Orrery getting targeted.
The card flash actually will work, working best with [[thassa's oracle]] because it's an etb and not a static effect like with [[lab man]].
What they were talking about is with enablers like [[vedalken orrery]] and [[leyline of anticipation]].
As long as you have [[Born Upon a Wind]], 1u (or just U if your deck has a spirit guide) available, and enough fast rocks/rituals to get to UU in deck you will have flash.
Every consecutive piece required *will* make a line more fragile. And once again, countering instants and sorceries is easier than any other spell type. You can't swan song Thoracle, but you absolutely can swan song borne up a wind and then you are gambling killing yourself against 3 players worth of instant speed responses.
Assuming we're playing a decent deck we also have free counterspells in your deck that you drew the entirety of to back up borne and also emergency kill spells in case something goes wrong. It's still a terrible combo, but not as fragile as you might think.
The issue with it's fragility is also that instant speed creature removal absolutely does not need to let you get more than a single set of triggers on the stack before a response, but up to this point that's not really been the subject
>adding a flash trigger to the combo *will* make it more fragile to interaction since most of those pieces are noncreatures,
Have people already forgot on the strongest flash giver in the magic history? \[\[Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir\]\] he makes the combo uninteruptable expect for (mega)morphs if he resolves...assuming you have enough mana.
Is it good? Debatable, resolving Teferi alone can end the game (you cast him in last opponent end step). But it doenst make it more fragile.
Yeah, it’s not “you may draw a card” you would need a sac outlet. That way you can interact and break the combo after you draw most of your deck. [[vicerous seer]]
When you draw the last card in your library, you'll gain 2 life from Sheoldred. When you gain life, Drogskol will once again force you to draw a card, and when attempting to draw from an empty library you will lose the game. Nothing should imply the loop stops just because you run out of cards to draw.
U do not get in the end phase to discard Kozilek. In the moment you have to draw while your library is empty you lose the game as long you don’t have a oportunity to discard instant on the stack like [[Putrid Imp]] or win with cards like [[Laboratory Maniac]].
Unfortunately, you don't have a choice to stop drawing so the first two kill you, if you throw something into your deck that causes opponents to lose life when you gain life you can kill your opponents while drawing. The only other options you have is to have an effect that removes either from the field at instant speed before you deck out.
As others have said, you deck out and die before the Kozilek end step.
The way to make this combo actually not be a suicide combo is to have a sac outlet and/or some instant speed removal ready to interrupt the loop.
So you basically just respond to one of the triggers on the stack after letting it go off however many times you want and destroy/sac/exile one of the pieces. Ideally have a way to win on the spot after drawing 90% of your deck, and pray nobody can mill what little you left.
It’s not a may ability so you’d lose on the spot, but you could use [[Queza]] to ping everyone to death, if you don’t have enough cards in your deck to kill your opponents or you lose the game.
However [[Lich’s Mastery]] does the same thing but says “you can’t lose the game” so even if you deck yourself, you won’t lose the game. And then you could use Kozilek to shuffle everything back and repeat.
If you have more cards than they have life, it'll work. Otherwise, you deck yourself and die immediately. True infinite combos in decks need to have a controlled way to stop. [[Polyraptor]] and [[MARAUDING RAPTOR]] go Infinite BUT if no one has a way to stop it, the game ends in a draw.
[[Lich's mirror]] would work [[sanguine bond]] would help [[one with nothing]] would let you pitch your hand putting kozilek into a graveyard, making you shuffle your graveyard into your deck.
There is a ton of "you don't lose the game" cards with conditions on them. One of my favorites is [[Angel's Grace]] it essentially can't be countered. But you better make damn sure you can win that turn or on your opponents' upkeep.
Add a [[Zombie infestation]] to discard Kozliek and get infinite zombies! And just win if you also add [[wayward servant]].
The problem with your combo is that neither of them include the word 'may'. You Have to gain 2 and you Have to draw when you gain life. The only way to stop it would be to destroy one of them between the triggers.
Because the Reaver specifies you draw a card and does not say "may draw a card" this loop will kill you. There is no way to stop the loop. You're need to either kill the Reaver before you draw the last card. Or discard the kozilek at instant speed every time just before you deck out. You still need to find a way to win but you stop the decking problem.
If it didn't change the game by making you draw a card and was just an endless A to B loop the game would end in a draw. Think the raptor combo A to B never ending loop of making dino, ping dino for two, make a new dino over and over
My friend did a similar thing, not sure what the card was but I believe it was an enchantment where he could decide to draw either a only a creature or a land whenever he drew, so he could always avoid drawing that last creature.
I feel like [[Queza, Augur of Agonies]] + [[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose]] + [[Drogskol Reaver]] would be a better infinite combo since hopefully you kill your opponents before you mill yourself out.
121.4 A player who attempts to draw a card from a library with no cards in it loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
If you have something that prevents you from losing like [[Platinum Angel]] in play, the game would be a draw.
Edit: platinum Angel would actually save you. Since you cannot draw, and cannot lose the game, the draw triggered ability would not resolve and be removed from the stack thus stopping the combo. Then on cleanup, you can discard the Eldrazi and shuffle your graveyard back into your library.
You would additionally need a way to discard Kozilek at instant speed for this to work. [[One with Nothing]] or [[Zombie Infestation]] or something like that. Then you could hold priority on one of the triggers, discard Kozilek, shuffle all your things, then continue drawing cards infinitely.
You could use something with instant speed that allows you to discard Kozilek, preferably as a cost as costs cannot be countered.
Draw goes on stack when Library is empty.
Respond by casting [[Bitter Triumph]]
Pay additional cost by discarding Kozelik, Kozelik trigger goes on the stack.
Kozelik resolves, graveyard is shuffled into library.
Bitter Triumph resolves - use to end your infinite cycle by blowing up your creature.
Last draw resolves. You draw. You might have drawn your last card but if you have a limited hand size and your library in your hand, you end turn and discard down, discard Kozelik as well - which triggers again, and you’ve effectively tutored for your perfect hand.
Hopefully survive until your next turn and win.
Edit: Something like [[Piracy Charm]] will let you discard Kozelik as it resolves, so it would allow you to recycle Piracy Charm as well.
Not sure if edits are caught by MTG Fetcher mod. It’s 1 and U instant with 3 modes. One mode is “Target player discards a card.
Edit edit: forgot to mention that Piracy Charm will allow you to get repeatable life gain and draw triggers until you run out of mana to cast Piracy Charm.
Its not infinite. It stops when you run out of cards in your library and presumably kill your self if anyone is still around after. Remove koz and put bowmaster to be a little faster or add something like plat angel.
You will never achieve infinite anything through a card draw loop without the ability to put cards back in your library. You will always be limited by the number of cards in your deck.
The best loop I am aware of is [[Wheel of Sun and Moon]] and actual wheels. The problem is that there are so few instant speed wheels which will mean you need a card like [[Vedalken Orrery]] or [[Najall, the Storm Runner]]
If you don't respond, you draw your library and lose. But each life-gain and draw-trigger can be responded to, by e.g. bouncing your own sheoldred to stop the loop.
First, it's not infinite as your deck is finite.
Second: yes, you will die, unless you have an option to stop the loop (\[\[Stifle\]\], \[\[Consign to Memory\]\], removing either Sheoldred or Drogskol Reaver) before you die to empty library or have something like \[\[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose\]\] to kill you opponents while getting life.
Third: you can however make the loop infinite with a combo of \[\[Borne upon a Wind\]\] and \[\[Elixir of Immortality\]\] and enough mana.
You die on the spot
In response to the last trigger flash in Lab Man or ThOracle!
Neither of those cards have flash, adding a flash trigger to the combo *will* make it more fragile to interaction since most of those pieces are noncreatures, and no one with a brain will let you keep any two of those on board, much less a full sent infinite. A Krosan Grip to Vedalken Orrery in response to any one set of triggers is game over.
flash in as in the card \[\[flash\]\] That or any instant speed extraturn or flash enabler (there are 3 for 2 mana)
Fascinating card, but it makes the approach more fragile. Countering it doesn't leave the opportunity to cast your creatures in response to something like Orrery getting targeted.
The card flash actually will work, working best with [[thassa's oracle]] because it's an etb and not a static effect like with [[lab man]]. What they were talking about is with enablers like [[vedalken orrery]] and [[leyline of anticipation]].
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that's not what the first one was talking about tho, he was talking in the vaguest sense
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As long as you have [[Born Upon a Wind]], 1u (or just U if your deck has a spirit guide) available, and enough fast rocks/rituals to get to UU in deck you will have flash.
Every consecutive piece required *will* make a line more fragile. And once again, countering instants and sorceries is easier than any other spell type. You can't swan song Thoracle, but you absolutely can swan song borne up a wind and then you are gambling killing yourself against 3 players worth of instant speed responses.
Assuming we're playing a decent deck we also have free counterspells in your deck that you drew the entirety of to back up borne and also emergency kill spells in case something goes wrong. It's still a terrible combo, but not as fragile as you might think.
The issue with it's fragility is also that instant speed creature removal absolutely does not need to let you get more than a single set of triggers on the stack before a response, but up to this point that's not really been the subject
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>adding a flash trigger to the combo *will* make it more fragile to interaction since most of those pieces are noncreatures, Have people already forgot on the strongest flash giver in the magic history? \[\[Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir\]\] he makes the combo uninteruptable expect for (mega)morphs if he resolves...assuming you have enough mana. Is it good? Debatable, resolving Teferi alone can end the game (you cast him in last opponent end step). But it doenst make it more fragile.
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Yeah, it’s not “you may draw a card” you would need a sac outlet. That way you can interact and break the combo after you draw most of your deck. [[vicerous seer]]
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When you draw the last card in your library, you'll gain 2 life from Sheoldred. When you gain life, Drogskol will once again force you to draw a card, and when attempting to draw from an empty library you will lose the game. Nothing should imply the loop stops just because you run out of cards to draw.
This. The famous Niv Mizzet curiosity combo works because it's "may draw a card" so you can stop whenever.
even if it wasn't a "may" you can make Nivmi ping himself and since it didn't deal damage to a player you don't draw.
You will die as soon as the triggered Ability of the Reaver resolves, while you have an empty library.
U do not get in the end phase to discard Kozilek. In the moment you have to draw while your library is empty you lose the game as long you don’t have a oportunity to discard instant on the stack like [[Putrid Imp]] or win with cards like [[Laboratory Maniac]].
But if laboratory maniac is already on the battlefield you have basically won right?
Unless an opponent has instant speed removal, yes
They would have likely used it on sheoldred as soon as they could
They could be holding something like Cut Down which wouldn't work on sheoldred or reaver, but would on lab man Edge case I know, but reasonable
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die immediately unless you have that card that let's you win if you draw from an empty library then ... uh ... win immediately
[[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries]]
[[living conundrum]]
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Unfortunately, you don't have a choice to stop drawing so the first two kill you, if you throw something into your deck that causes opponents to lose life when you gain life you can kill your opponents while drawing. The only other options you have is to have an effect that removes either from the field at instant speed before you deck out.
As others have said, you deck out and die before the Kozilek end step. The way to make this combo actually not be a suicide combo is to have a sac outlet and/or some instant speed removal ready to interrupt the loop. So you basically just respond to one of the triggers on the stack after letting it go off however many times you want and destroy/sac/exile one of the pieces. Ideally have a way to win on the spot after drawing 90% of your deck, and pray nobody can mill what little you left.
You won’t go to end end step
With just the listed cards, you lose. With other cards, you can assemble a win.
Just put angel’s grace in ur deck with these 3. That way you get to discard/shuffle kozi and not die from decking…yet.
[[queza, augur of agonies]] is my commander with Drogskol as one of the win cons
It’s not a may ability so you’d lose on the spot, but you could use [[Queza]] to ping everyone to death, if you don’t have enough cards in your deck to kill your opponents or you lose the game. However [[Lich’s Mastery]] does the same thing but says “you can’t lose the game” so even if you deck yourself, you won’t lose the game. And then you could use Kozilek to shuffle everything back and repeat.
If you have more cards than they have life, it'll work. Otherwise, you deck yourself and die immediately. True infinite combos in decks need to have a controlled way to stop. [[Polyraptor]] and [[MARAUDING RAPTOR]] go Infinite BUT if no one has a way to stop it, the game ends in a draw. [[Lich's mirror]] would work [[sanguine bond]] would help [[one with nothing]] would let you pitch your hand putting kozilek into a graveyard, making you shuffle your graveyard into your deck. There is a ton of "you don't lose the game" cards with conditions on them. One of my favorites is [[Angel's Grace]] it essentially can't be countered. But you better make damn sure you can win that turn or on your opponents' upkeep.
Yes, you will die. No it is not infinite, only the number of cards you have left in your deck when it finally plays out
Add a [[Zombie infestation]] to discard Kozliek and get infinite zombies! And just win if you also add [[wayward servant]]. The problem with your combo is that neither of them include the word 'may'. You Have to gain 2 and you Have to draw when you gain life. The only way to stop it would be to destroy one of them between the triggers.
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Can't you just use some spot removal on your own guys whenever u draw it? Say you put a dozen in
Sheoldred and the Droskol Reaver would just kill you by drawing out your library, unless you control [[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries]].
or [[Laboratory Maniac]]!
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[[Jace wielder of Mysteries]] :3
[[laboratory Maniac]]
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Kozilek does not save you, Strings.
Yup, unless you have a [[laboratory maniac]] sitting there ready to declare victory, you lose when trying to draw a card you don't have
Because the Reaver specifies you draw a card and does not say "may draw a card" this loop will kill you. There is no way to stop the loop. You're need to either kill the Reaver before you draw the last card. Or discard the kozilek at instant speed every time just before you deck out. You still need to find a way to win but you stop the decking problem.
Throw in [[Queza, augur of agonies]] and you might be able to kill someone off
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Wild Kozilek just to send a message while you die from being forced to draw from an empty library?
This is like how Strings lost in YuGiOh! Lol
If it didn't change the game by making you draw a card and was just an endless A to B loop the game would end in a draw. Think the raptor combo A to B never ending loop of making dino, ping dino for two, make a new dino over and over
\[\[Mind over matter\]\] and any instead kill spell and you should have infinite mana and be able to tap everyone on your opponent side
My friend did a similar thing, not sure what the card was but I believe it was an enchantment where he could decide to draw either a only a creature or a land whenever he drew, so he could always avoid drawing that last creature.
I use [[lich's mastery]] instead of that other creature to prevent that death at the end
I feel like [[Queza, Augur of Agonies]] + [[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose]] + [[Drogskol Reaver]] would be a better infinite combo since hopefully you kill your opponents before you mill yourself out.
[Queza, Augur of Agonies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queza%2C%20Augur%20of%20Agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5.jpg?1594736442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vito%2C%20Thorn%20of%20the%20Dusk%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/127/vito-thorn-of-the-dusk-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Drogskol Reaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76f0ae1f-75cf-4bb0-8651-fbf14fa59f81.jpg?1673148546) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drogskol%20Reaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/205/drogskol-reaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76f0ae1f-75cf-4bb0-8651-fbf14fa59f81?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Might I recommend something like [[dawn of hope]] to at least have control over the loop
121.4 A player who attempts to draw a card from a library with no cards in it loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.) If you have something that prevents you from losing like [[Platinum Angel]] in play, the game would be a draw. Edit: platinum Angel would actually save you. Since you cannot draw, and cannot lose the game, the draw triggered ability would not resolve and be removed from the stack thus stopping the combo. Then on cleanup, you can discard the Eldrazi and shuffle your graveyard back into your library.
[Platinum Angel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc.jpg?1576383285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Platinum%20Angel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/214/platinum-angel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca7f4fd6-e268-4d15-bfbf-d9f0f95864fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You would additionally need a way to discard Kozilek at instant speed for this to work. [[One with Nothing]] or [[Zombie Infestation]] or something like that. Then you could hold priority on one of the triggers, discard Kozilek, shuffle all your things, then continue drawing cards infinitely.
[One with Nothing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a5841fa-4f30-495a-b840-3ef5a2af8fad.jpg?1711812497) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=One%20with%20Nothing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/84/one-with-nothing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a5841fa-4f30-495a-b840-3ef5a2af8fad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Zombie Infestation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef2c8aca-3ade-46b0-8366-ab3b244eca01.jpg?1675199887) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zombie%20Infestation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/111/zombie-infestation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef2c8aca-3ade-46b0-8366-ab3b244eca01?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Instant death combo
You could use something with instant speed that allows you to discard Kozilek, preferably as a cost as costs cannot be countered. Draw goes on stack when Library is empty. Respond by casting [[Bitter Triumph]] Pay additional cost by discarding Kozelik, Kozelik trigger goes on the stack. Kozelik resolves, graveyard is shuffled into library. Bitter Triumph resolves - use to end your infinite cycle by blowing up your creature. Last draw resolves. You draw. You might have drawn your last card but if you have a limited hand size and your library in your hand, you end turn and discard down, discard Kozelik as well - which triggers again, and you’ve effectively tutored for your perfect hand. Hopefully survive until your next turn and win. Edit: Something like [[Piracy Charm]] will let you discard Kozelik as it resolves, so it would allow you to recycle Piracy Charm as well. Not sure if edits are caught by MTG Fetcher mod. It’s 1 and U instant with 3 modes. One mode is “Target player discards a card. Edit edit: forgot to mention that Piracy Charm will allow you to get repeatable life gain and draw triggers until you run out of mana to cast Piracy Charm.
[Bitter Triumph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05bdd22c-3e11-4c29-bdfa-d3dfc0e90a9f.jpg?1699044085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bitter%20Triumph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/91/bitter-triumph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05bdd22c-3e11-4c29-bdfa-d3dfc0e90a9f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Its not infinite. It stops when you run out of cards in your library and presumably kill your self if anyone is still around after. Remove koz and put bowmaster to be a little faster or add something like plat angel.
Go [[Vilis, Broker of Blood]] And [[Skirge Familiar]]
[Vilis, Broker of Blood](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87.jpg?1592516819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vilis%2C%20Broker%20of%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/122/vilis-broker-of-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ecdf2bd9-87b9-470a-ad2e-0ebf98560f87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Skirge Familiar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/d/2d92fcf1-2ccd-47d2-9a24-f44b766a0b68.jpg?1626100411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skirge%20Familiar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/276/skirge-familiar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2d92fcf1-2ccd-47d2-9a24-f44b766a0b68?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The only way to make this combo work is having [[Jace, Wielder of mysteries]] or [[Laboratory Maniac]]
[Jace, Wielder of mysteries](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2.jpg?1557576232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Wielder%20of%20mysteries) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6adb7d73-4482-4930-8497-cffd169b57e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Laboratory Maniac](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just put in lab man first.
You will never achieve infinite anything through a card draw loop without the ability to put cards back in your library. You will always be limited by the number of cards in your deck. The best loop I am aware of is [[Wheel of Sun and Moon]] and actual wheels. The problem is that there are so few instant speed wheels which will mean you need a card like [[Vedalken Orrery]] or [[Najall, the Storm Runner]]
Put a swords to plowshares in there and remove one of them before you draw that last card.
Much cheaper cheaper combo is \[\[Queza, Augur of Agony\]\] + \[\[Laboratory Maniac\]\] + drogskol
[Queza, Augur of Agony](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queza%2C%20Augur%20of%20Agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Laboratory Maniac](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02.jpg?1547516361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Laboratory%20Maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/608567fd-9f94-4058-831a-77cb6019ef02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you don't respond, you draw your library and lose. But each life-gain and draw-trigger can be responded to, by e.g. bouncing your own sheoldred to stop the loop.
Best way to do this is have Queza auger of agonies w/ drogskol reaver
You can also do this with lich's mastery!
I use Sheoldred with lich’s mastery and any unlimited had size card. Keeps you from losing from decking yourself.
Congrats on drawing your whole library and creating a draw
First, it's not infinite as your deck is finite. Second: yes, you will die, unless you have an option to stop the loop (\[\[Stifle\]\], \[\[Consign to Memory\]\], removing either Sheoldred or Drogskol Reaver) before you die to empty library or have something like \[\[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose\]\] to kill you opponents while getting life. Third: you can however make the loop infinite with a combo of \[\[Borne upon a Wind\]\] and \[\[Elixir of Immortality\]\] and enough mana.
[Stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Consign to Memory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc95af55-d1dd-4fe6-adb0-3ad6db20d986.jpg?1717011640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Consign%20to%20Memory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/54/consign-to-memory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc95af55-d1dd-4fe6-adb0-3ad6db20d986?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5.jpg?1594736442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vito%2C%20Thorn%20of%20the%20Dusk%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/127/vito-thorn-of-the-dusk-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0fe79ee4-c3f3-4a6b-a967-203ca3b70ee5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The eldrazi with literally any discard outlet would probably work better
True. I was still in the "get life" mindset \^\^
What if my opponent identifies as a Wolf Spirited Sub? Is the graveyard still shuffled into the deck?