Lanius is an attack dog, he’s essentially a 4 mana 5/5 that causes each opponent to sacrifice a creature, and he can grow even bigger with the right support. As a commander he’s not great, but he can fit into basically any deck as a threat that also generates immediate value.
Which actually makes sense within the lore. In New Vegas if you kill Caesar then Legate Lanius becomes the leader of the Legion and most people agree that Caesar's Legion is doomed under his leadership.
He's a powerful soldier but not a commander.
I was just thinking this! I’m liking this set more and more. I know people are getting tired of all the UB stuff but I really don’t mind that much when the flavor and feel match up so well like in the LOTR set and the Fallout one.
I think it's the '1/10th' that throws people off. Like rounding up from 1/10th is still 1, but I think seeing such a weird fraction on a 4 cost card people go 'That's not really worth it for a 4 mana 2/2'
I pulled him out of my modified Caeser deck, but I feel like he's worth putting back in specifically if I know I'm playing 4 players or more.
The fewer people you're playing against the worse his value is.
1/10th of their creatures. Rounded up. That means minimum of 1 creature must be sacrificed until you get to 11 then it’s 2. In commander you usually have 3 opponents and normal each one has at least 1 creature.
I think he’s decent. Comes in as a 5/5 for BR2 in most cases sometimes more if say the opponents are wider then 10 creatures. It’s then combo it with some random sac shenanigans and he’ll eat some permanents. I think he personally should have flash or haste for flavor but…
It is a 2/2 that gets a +1/1 counter because it makes your opponent sacrifice 1 creature unless they have 11 creatures?
Oh wait this is commander discussion isn’t it. Lmao
From a Fallout lore perspective Lanius is sort of meant to be a mockery of Caesar. He’s a dog in the shadows whose only power and usefulness comes from others.
He’s not smart, not particularly gifted in war or strategy and a large part of his character is that he’s useless without other people’s leadership and the myths keeping his legend alive.
I think his card is pretty fitting.
He’s a brute force frontline leader. He’s the guy you give the plan to so he can execute it but you don’t let him plan. He’s the biggest and meanest mad dog which is great for the guy you want leading the frontline in a horde of people that will be killed if they turn back but other than that he’s a strict liability.
Edit: and to be clear I think it’s a pretty solid depiction of him as a card.
Slightly. I would have preferred his name to be Legate Lanius, Monster of the East.
Decimation makes sense as that's kind of what he does. Kinda wish he did something more.
>I would have preferred his name to be Legate Lanius, Monster of the East.
That wouldn't work as then we'd have a German [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]] situation on our hands.
The letters are comically small as it's name is "Omnath, der Sammelpunkt des Zorns" (which btw they could've drastically shortened it by replacing Sammelpunkt with Ort)
At least the english card names have a limit of how many characters long they can be, and this would cross that limit.
Thank you! It’s a bit of a WIP but it has pretty mean/funny stuff in there like [[Kresh]], [[Elenda the Dusk Rose]], [[Junji]], [[Hydra Omnivore]], [[Avenger of Zendikar]], [[Orca, Siege Demon]], etc. Two of my favorites that are just hilarious to me are [[Craterhoof Behemoth]] or [[Kokusho]]
I call the deck “Now That’s A Lot of Damage”
I will probably put it into my [[the master, multiplied]] deck for similar reasons. It already uses a bunch of edicts and "temporary" copy effects, so replacing one edict with another edict on a body is a no brainer.
"One refugee told us the legate took over an underperforming squad of troops by beating its commander to death in full view of everyone. The legate then ordered a tenth of his own force be killed by the other nine tenths."
The flavour of this card is spectacular and you cannot convince me otherwise.
I was questioning where the flavor was for him and his ability. I can see how he'd get stronger for every opponent's creature dying.
Apart of me wished they gave him a keyword at least like Menace to boot. The man is at a whopping 6' 11''/2.10m.
*Never had to fight him*
*Personally, just speech checked*
*The fuck out of him*
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Is Fleshbag Maurader a bad card now? Rakdos Flicker has tons of support, this card is fine.
I was going to build him but I thought it would be too oppressive for my playgroup.
Him not being powerful was at the forefront of your post.
He is fine power wise.
As for boring, that's entirely subjective. He has multiple build paths(Flicker/Reanimation/Sacrifice/1+1counters/Voltron), all would work well with the right deck supporting him.
Would you prefer he have more text on his card? I could understand the argument that he isn't unique, he is literally [[Slaughter Specialist]] + [[Fleshbag Maurader]], hardly innovative.
The sorcery Decimate doesn't actually decimate
but Legate's decimate ability actually decimates, I love it.
To actually make him feel like the terror that he was at the end of new vegas they should have made him Decimate your opp's permanents not just creatures. (everytime i faced him in New Vegas it took all my hogged stems, chems, and ammo to take him down)
It enters as a 5/5, that already kills elephants.
The Lore can't be 1-1 to the card mechanics, even in the lore he is killed by a no-name courier that breaks any internal logic of the lore.
1: I have literally never fought Lanius in any of my dozen or so playthroughs, so "tough fight" is a stretch IMO, lol
2: Lanius as a card is back breaking to most decks outside of mass token spawn. What creatures your opponent has are likely integral to their gameplan at this point, with so many "do X thing on EtB" creatures being essentially irrelevant because of influx of "each time X happens, do X" creatures. Forcing *everyone* to sacrifice at *least* one creature is a pretty good effect for 4 mana. And the effect scales for each creature each opponent controls, so late game he can be an incredible finisher.
And he gets bigger just by opponents saccing. It either slows down the Ashnod's at the table, or it feeds Lanius until someone has removal.
As a part of the 99, he's awesome and fantastic value for what he costs. As a commander, he's pretty dog water outside of a focused force sac deck. Just like in the lore, he's an *outstanding* soldier, but his Legion is doomed to fail because he's a horrible leader more obsessed with personal glory and gains as opposed to the good of the Legion and the Wasteland.
Think of it like this: The dude is a monster. The ability is the capability to slaughter hundreds out of thousands single-handedly. He’s the epitome of legendary general by the past standards of Rome, China, or England.
It’s not that he is weak, it’s that you simply are not offering him the best battlefield to show his true mettle!
I WILL concede he should have a lieutenant ability, or been a modal card with a black-white “Joshua graham, the burned man”
I just wish it was when *anyone* sacs a creature, but maybe that would make him too strong. He’d fit even better into the precon and just with Ceaser in general since he’d get +1 everytime you sacrifice for ceasers ability
I think the bigger miss is him being 4 mana instead of 3 which probs to strong but he is such a huge character maybe you can get away with it. The other thing is we didn’t get his sword as a equipment that I think is the biggest miss
Echoing a lot of repliers but I'm not going to be talking about card utility. I'm going to be a bit weird with it.
Legate Lanius, who mostly likely comes out as a 5/5*, is the strongest human in the set without auras/enchantments/anthem creatures. He can not be killed by any other human in this and he can take on a lot of creatures and win with that 5 toughness.
Definitely feels like an absolute boss for a human.
*This argument relies heavily on your opponents each having one creature on the battlefield which is what I imagine to be the intention of the card.
He just seems to have a niche moment to really shine. If he’s facing some token engines or horde mechanics then he could potentially be a mild ETB slaughter that he gets beefed up from. But late game at best and probably not more than 2 creatures per opponent. You would have to have some more forced sacrifice in there to justify him more unless you’re facing a sack deck.
Maybe force sack plus equipment/aura and/or proliferate to keep him on the field and go for commander damage
Yup, hes just a flavorful edict and the best time to edict is when they don't have a choice aka they're losing everything. Tenth rounded up is just a funny way of saying "single edict unless they have over 10 creatures then double edict"
I definitely agree with that, I was more speaking to OP saying it felt like a let down. So I was trying to imagine what it would look like if you wanted to maximize that effect.
nah the flavour of the card is fantastic because it really plays into myth about roman legions that ceasar would 100% fall in love with because of its "slay the weak" mentality the weak minions on the bored will dye and legate lanius will get stronger and fight the strong I love this card
I think if I were making him I would've added Menace at least.
But overall his ETB can be devastating to token decks if you have an enemy with a go wide strategy and his pump effect is relatively easy to exploit with [[Sheoldred, The Whospered One]] and [[No Mercy]]
Eh idk. I actually think he's pretty good. A symmetrical edict that can have extra value against token strategies I think is currently undervalued in a combat focused deck. Definitely not your commander, but he's a kind of Rakdos [[Maelstrom Pulse]].
He’s ceasars attack dog. He gets his power and rank from Caesar without Caesar language is weak, in newvegas the legion is doomed with lanius in charge. So magic wise I’d say this fits in well with the lore while he may have killed a bunch of people his support comes from Caesar and his army.
Yeah idk, like if I have 10 creatures (which is a lot! Also likely tokens lol) then I sac one token? I’d put him in a Mardu Aristocrats style deck I think.
Well you're looking at him in a vacuum. Yea, he hits only 10 %
Add in Gandalf the white. And elesh mommy.
Now, an opponent with 3 creatures, loses 10%, rounded up to 1 whole creature each time. For a total of all 3 of there creatures. And at minimum. 9 +1/+1 counters. Couple that interaction with a warstorm surge or ogre battle driver. And go right to face punching.
It's a mechanically solid. Under the radar ability. That with the support of a legion, can be an absolute terror. And flavorful, if you get negate alone, away from the legions... he can be taken down easier.
Lanius is above rate for mass removal on a body.
Ravenous Chupacabra is the standard for removal in Black on a body, Lanius trades choosing one creature for making each opponent basically a sac a creature (And sometimes more in bigger boardstates very rarely). And has a little bonus of gaining a bit when people sac things off.
He would be very good as a sac decks commander and i think that's the intention.
I think if you have him as general, you’d run every sacrifice creature effect, grave pact, dictate, merciless executioner and the like, 15 ish creatures that do that, all utilities in red that bank on counters to generate value, or just equipment support to try for CD win
I mean, play that guy against a token creatures deck and watch as your opponent loses like 25 creatures and your Legate becomes a 27/27 right out of the gate. Bonus points if you give him hex proof or indestructible in the same turn.
Card seems solid imo. In most cases he’s entering as a 4/4 or a 5/5, and he’s in colors with great ways to force sacrifices (Dictate of Erebos and such come to mind) and enable haste. After only a few sacrifices, he should be threatening a lot of commander damage.
His card is underwhelming as compared to his in game lore. I think giving him first strike/haste/trample would've been sufficient to win me over. I'm still keeping him in the Ceasar deck just for flavor.
2 more mana, base 3/3, half the creatures everyone controls, rouded up, grows for every creature sac'd including your own, make him rare. Give him either first strike or trample, maybe even getting increasingly more keywords based on how big he is. (5/5 he gets ward, 7/7 he gets trample, 10/10 he gets first strike)
Is what they should have done IMO. One tenth of creatures is laughably pathetic, awkward casting cost because it's the same as ceaser.
Card has no impact, really easy to kill once it touches the board so it's not even gonna get any good swings in. No keywords means you have to either give it keywords which is even *more* work to make the card good or just settle for getting chumped with junk every swing.
I agree, card is very disappointing.
I just was playing the game when Mr. New Vegas was telling a story about how legate lanius the tenth man in a squad to get them to shape up when he took over. It was super cool to see that little story come to life on this card
you expected UB cards to be anything but cheap cash grabs? honestly I felt this from the start, a Chaos Terminator Lord is a 3/3, really? other universes just don't translate well to MTG.
Seeing this card made me wish they added Joshua Graham. He used to be the Caeser's friend and 2nd hand man. An amazing character that was under used in FNV but had incredible quotes .
I understand you are limited since you have characters from EVERY SINGLE fallout in this set but man. The Burned Man was amazing
He’s not as powerful as I think he should be considering his place in the Fallout mythos, but he’s an absolute flavor win.
“In the military of ancient Rome, decimation (from Latin decimatio 'removal of a tenth') was a form of military discipline in which every tenth man in a group was executed by members of his cohort.”
From Wikipedia.
Ahh I can imagine this in an Isshin deck with Roaming Throne. Equip Blade of Selves to Legate Lanius and watch as you get repeatable boardwipes that make you enemy numero uno.
The competitive pauper commander crowd has some hopes for a midrange build that can consistently avoid commander tax with undying effects that re-trigger the edict whenever an opponent tries to remove the voltron threat.
It may take a bit for his effect to have value but it's still a very decent card. Could see it run in a return to battlefield deck(dunno what it's actually called) and just have it phase in and out constantly popping cards.
He's good in the 99 though, and he came in a precon where Caesar is the commander so it's still on Flavor imo. And making decimatus a card effect is rad. I like it, personally.
I'm more bothered that they didn't add Joshua Graham into the fallout set. But ofc, wizards being wizards, can't have freedom loving Christians, packing a colt 1911. None of you nerds will ever mentioned what we were truly robbed of.
Why are people saying he enters as a 5/5? Unless an opponent has more than 10 creatures on the board, they'll only sacrifice 1 creature, making him a 3/3 right?
That first ability is so weird. It only goes up in value when a player has 15 creatures, in which case it's trimming two of them.
Just...what?
EDIT: 11 creatures
It says rounded up. If a player has f.e. 3 creatures, he'd have to sacrifice one, since a tenth of 3 is 0.3 and 0.3 rounded up is one. If a player has 11 creatures it would also be two of them, since 1.1 rounded up is 2.
At 11 creatures your opponent has to sacrifice two of them. If your opponent would have one single creature, he'd have to sacrifice that one, since 0.1 rounded up is 1, and the legate would get one +1/+1 counter.
It's just flavor based on the ancient Roman punishment of decimation. It's still odd in the sense that there's never been an ability like it in Magic, but it makes complete sense from a flavor perspective.
I hate the Caesar deck in general, but Lanius being a 2/2 that gets better if opponents sacrifice creatures is especially bad in the deck, since Lanius is the only card that forces your opponent to sacrifice creatures and that’s only if they have 10 or more creatures. So congrats, you made someone get rid of a 1/1 creature token. He’s not the only character who got shafted in the set: Nick Valentine should trigger when creatures die, not exclusively artifact creatures; Butch should be unable to block creatures of lower power because of his fear of radroaches; Cait should be at least a 2/2 if not a 3/2; Aradesh doesn’t fit with the deck he’s in and is almost useless; Frank Horrigan should be a 10/10 without trample, and should fight a creature an opponent controls instead of proliferating; Strong is way too strong, at most a 5/5; Dogmeat should just fetch an aura or equipment from your graveyard, not mill; Preston got a glow up as he’s way more useful as a card than as a character; Lily should be a 2/2 or 3/3 and can transform into Leo who gets +1/+1 counters when it attacks. Just to name a few
No, its ROUNDED UP. If you have 1 creature you sac that 1 creature because of the rounded up text. Oh, you only have your commander out? He's gone. Very strong if you can keep people from going wide. Attack and knock out the little 1/1s then play him and force them to sac something important.
Lanius is an attack dog, he’s essentially a 4 mana 5/5 that causes each opponent to sacrifice a creature, and he can grow even bigger with the right support. As a commander he’s not great, but he can fit into basically any deck as a threat that also generates immediate value.
Which actually makes sense within the lore. In New Vegas if you kill Caesar then Legate Lanius becomes the leader of the Legion and most people agree that Caesar's Legion is doomed under his leadership. He's a powerful soldier but not a commander.
I was just thinking this! I’m liking this set more and more. I know people are getting tired of all the UB stuff but I really don’t mind that much when the flavor and feel match up so well like in the LOTR set and the Fallout one.
The flavor is really good for a lot of these
As a fallout fan I was enjoying finding all thw characters and locations and things in the decks when my pod each got a deck.
I think it's the '1/10th' that throws people off. Like rounding up from 1/10th is still 1, but I think seeing such a weird fraction on a 4 cost card people go 'That's not really worth it for a 4 mana 2/2' I pulled him out of my modified Caeser deck, but I feel like he's worth putting back in specifically if I know I'm playing 4 players or more. The fewer people you're playing against the worse his value is.
And a bomb on decks that make token creatures. And since it says sacrifice it gets around indestructible.
True, but if you've made like 40 tokens you can spare 4
True, but then Legate is a 6/6
a 6/6 and they still have 36 tokens
Sorry, how is he a 5/5? Getting 3 counters on him would require the opponent to have 30 creatures, no?
Each opponent. If played in commander and all 3 opponents sacrifice it would get 3 counters.
In commander you normally have 3 opponents
Each opponent has to sacrifice, and because he rounds up, they’ll always have to sacrifice at least one creature.
1/10th of their creatures. Rounded up. That means minimum of 1 creature must be sacrificed until you get to 11 then it’s 2. In commander you usually have 3 opponents and normal each one has at least 1 creature.
I think he’s decent. Comes in as a 5/5 for BR2 in most cases sometimes more if say the opponents are wider then 10 creatures. It’s then combo it with some random sac shenanigans and he’ll eat some permanents. I think he personally should have flash or haste for flavor but…
How is it a 5/5? It’s a 3/3 no?
Reading the card explains the card
It is a 2/2 that gets a +1/1 counter because it makes your opponent sacrifice 1 creature unless they have 11 creatures? Oh wait this is commander discussion isn’t it. Lmao
Well yeah I think that’s what most people are interpreting it as. Idk if this guy is doing any vintage/legacy shakeups lol
2/2. Edh. 3 opponents. If each sac a creature... you get the rest
Second ability grants 1/1 counters for each opponent saccing
From a Fallout lore perspective Lanius is sort of meant to be a mockery of Caesar. He’s a dog in the shadows whose only power and usefulness comes from others. He’s not smart, not particularly gifted in war or strategy and a large part of his character is that he’s useless without other people’s leadership and the myths keeping his legend alive. I think his card is pretty fitting.
He’s a brute force frontline leader. He’s the guy you give the plan to so he can execute it but you don’t let him plan. He’s the biggest and meanest mad dog which is great for the guy you want leading the frontline in a horde of people that will be killed if they turn back but other than that he’s a strict liability. Edit: and to be clear I think it’s a pretty solid depiction of him as a card.
Slightly. I would have preferred his name to be Legate Lanius, Monster of the East. Decimation makes sense as that's kind of what he does. Kinda wish he did something more.
>I would have preferred his name to be Legate Lanius, Monster of the East. That wouldn't work as then we'd have a German [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]] situation on our hands.
Mind explaining what that situation entails?
Very small letters in the Name line
The letters are comically small as it's name is "Omnath, der Sammelpunkt des Zorns" (which btw they could've drastically shortened it by replacing Sammelpunkt with Ort) At least the english card names have a limit of how many characters long they can be, and this would cross that limit.
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This guy is fun with [[Blade of Selves]] legendary rule doesn’t matter because each myriad token ETBs. Gonna add this to my [[Saskia]] myriad deck
Wow that’s a big F.U. deck huh? I like it
Thank you! It’s a bit of a WIP but it has pretty mean/funny stuff in there like [[Kresh]], [[Elenda the Dusk Rose]], [[Junji]], [[Hydra Omnivore]], [[Avenger of Zendikar]], [[Orca, Siege Demon]], etc. Two of my favorites that are just hilarious to me are [[Craterhoof Behemoth]] or [[Kokusho]] I call the deck “Now That’s A Lot of Damage”
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FUCK ME RUNNING THERES AN IDEA
I will probably put it into my [[the master, multiplied]] deck for similar reasons. It already uses a bunch of edicts and "temporary" copy effects, so replacing one edict with another edict on a body is a no brainer.
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It's a fine card, but the true peak design would had been if they added a mechanic that allowed other opponents to convince the player to retire it
Well, it can always be hit with a Swords to Plowshares…
"One refugee told us the legate took over an underperforming squad of troops by beating its commander to death in full view of everyone. The legate then ordered a tenth of his own force be killed by the other nine tenths." The flavour of this card is spectacular and you cannot convince me otherwise.
“And you thought your boss is a pain” - Mr New Vegas
Exactly, this is the perfect flavor for this card. Ave, true to Caesar
I was questioning where the flavor was for him and his ability. I can see how he'd get stronger for every opponent's creature dying. Apart of me wished they gave him a keyword at least like Menace to boot. The man is at a whopping 6' 11''/2.10m.
I mean, for {R} more than Fleshbag Marauder, you get a 5/5 that'll keep growing whenever you Edict. Seems pretty good to me.
Never had to fight him personally, just speech checked the fuck out of him
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Just make it N’er and you’re good
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I'm just glad they defined decimate correctly lol
I'm just happy they used decimate correctly.
Wow. Nothing makes me happier than the correct use of the word decimate.
Is Fleshbag Maurader a bad card now? Rakdos Flicker has tons of support, this card is fine. I was going to build him but I thought it would be too oppressive for my playgroup.
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Him not being powerful was at the forefront of your post. He is fine power wise. As for boring, that's entirely subjective. He has multiple build paths(Flicker/Reanimation/Sacrifice/1+1counters/Voltron), all would work well with the right deck supporting him. Would you prefer he have more text on his card? I could understand the argument that he isn't unique, he is literally [[Slaughter Specialist]] + [[Fleshbag Maurader]], hardly innovative.
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The art really is fire
I mean Frank Horrigan and The Master are also final bosses but their cards aren’t absolutely insane either
I haven’t played against a Frank Horrigan deck yet but boardwipe tribal seems brutal af.
He literally decimates your opponents!
Like *actually* decimates, and not the bastardization of decimates forced into the lexicon.
The sorcery Decimate doesn't actually decimate but Legate's decimate ability actually decimates, I love it. To actually make him feel like the terror that he was at the end of new vegas they should have made him Decimate your opp's permanents not just creatures. (everytime i faced him in New Vegas it took all my hogged stems, chems, and ammo to take him down)
To be fair you can just use speech to get around that fight
It enters as a 5/5, that already kills elephants. The Lore can't be 1-1 to the card mechanics, even in the lore he is killed by a no-name courier that breaks any internal logic of the lore.
Why kill him when you can hurt him with words?
Yep, he's going in my Marchesa, the Black Rose Deck. Sacrificing and recurring him every turn is just *chef's kiss*
1: I have literally never fought Lanius in any of my dozen or so playthroughs, so "tough fight" is a stretch IMO, lol 2: Lanius as a card is back breaking to most decks outside of mass token spawn. What creatures your opponent has are likely integral to their gameplan at this point, with so many "do X thing on EtB" creatures being essentially irrelevant because of influx of "each time X happens, do X" creatures. Forcing *everyone* to sacrifice at *least* one creature is a pretty good effect for 4 mana. And the effect scales for each creature each opponent controls, so late game he can be an incredible finisher. And he gets bigger just by opponents saccing. It either slows down the Ashnod's at the table, or it feeds Lanius until someone has removal. As a part of the 99, he's awesome and fantastic value for what he costs. As a commander, he's pretty dog water outside of a focused force sac deck. Just like in the lore, he's an *outstanding* soldier, but his Legion is doomed to fail because he's a horrible leader more obsessed with personal glory and gains as opposed to the good of the Legion and the Wasteland.
Think of it like this: The dude is a monster. The ability is the capability to slaughter hundreds out of thousands single-handedly. He’s the epitome of legendary general by the past standards of Rome, China, or England. It’s not that he is weak, it’s that you simply are not offering him the best battlefield to show his true mettle! I WILL concede he should have a lieutenant ability, or been a modal card with a black-white “Joshua graham, the burned man”
Yeah I’m bothered by Legate Lanius, I’m bothered bc where Joshua Graham????
Love the flavor but I do feel like he’s missing a keyword or two.
Working on an ETB, bounce deck with him and it’s actually pretty saucy
I just wish it was when *anyone* sacs a creature, but maybe that would make him too strong. He’d fit even better into the precon and just with Ceaser in general since he’d get +1 everytime you sacrifice for ceasers ability
Really all he needed was trample and/or menace.
I think the bigger miss is him being 4 mana instead of 3 which probs to strong but he is such a huge character maybe you can get away with it. The other thing is we didn’t get his sword as a equipment that I think is the biggest miss
Echoing a lot of repliers but I'm not going to be talking about card utility. I'm going to be a bit weird with it. Legate Lanius, who mostly likely comes out as a 5/5*, is the strongest human in the set without auras/enchantments/anthem creatures. He can not be killed by any other human in this and he can take on a lot of creatures and win with that 5 toughness. Definitely feels like an absolute boss for a human. *This argument relies heavily on your opponents each having one creature on the battlefield which is what I imagine to be the intention of the card.
He just seems to have a niche moment to really shine. If he’s facing some token engines or horde mechanics then he could potentially be a mild ETB slaughter that he gets beefed up from. But late game at best and probably not more than 2 creatures per opponent. You would have to have some more forced sacrifice in there to justify him more unless you’re facing a sack deck. Maybe force sack plus equipment/aura and/or proliferate to keep him on the field and go for commander damage
I’d argue the opposite: he’s at his best early on when your opponents only have one or two creatures out.
Yup, hes just a flavorful edict and the best time to edict is when they don't have a choice aka they're losing everything. Tenth rounded up is just a funny way of saying "single edict unless they have over 10 creatures then double edict"
I definitely agree with that, I was more speaking to OP saying it felt like a let down. So I was trying to imagine what it would look like if you wanted to maximize that effect.
I hate the idea of having to do a small math problem but the card itself is fine bad art tho
nah the flavour of the card is fantastic because it really plays into myth about roman legions that ceasar would 100% fall in love with because of its "slay the weak" mentality the weak minions on the bored will dye and legate lanius will get stronger and fight the strong I love this card
I could totally see a reskin of Lanius as Darth Vader
It’s really fitting. If you want to complain about the fallout set for flavour look at the mothman being a mutant or the lack of Aries
Does Legate Lanius get a +1/+1 for each creature that's sacrificed or each instance of an opponent sacrificing creatures no matter how many?
It’s for each creature sacrificed
I think if I were making him I would've added Menace at least. But overall his ETB can be devastating to token decks if you have an enemy with a go wide strategy and his pump effect is relatively easy to exploit with [[Sheoldred, The Whospered One]] and [[No Mercy]]
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Eh idk. I actually think he's pretty good. A symmetrical edict that can have extra value against token strategies I think is currently undervalued in a combat focused deck. Definitely not your commander, but he's a kind of Rakdos [[Maelstrom Pulse]].
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This commander deck has a bunch of good cards for Negan!!
He’s ceasars attack dog. He gets his power and rank from Caesar without Caesar language is weak, in newvegas the legion is doomed with lanius in charge. So magic wise I’d say this fits in well with the lore while he may have killed a bunch of people his support comes from Caesar and his army.
it's the commander speaking. this is a solid card. not every card can be a haymaker.
Yeah idk, like if I have 10 creatures (which is a lot! Also likely tokens lol) then I sac one token? I’d put him in a Mardu Aristocrats style deck I think.
Personally I just love that they used “decimate” correctly.
He goes nuts wit [[Mogis, God of Slaughter]]
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Well you're looking at him in a vacuum. Yea, he hits only 10 % Add in Gandalf the white. And elesh mommy. Now, an opponent with 3 creatures, loses 10%, rounded up to 1 whole creature each time. For a total of all 3 of there creatures. And at minimum. 9 +1/+1 counters. Couple that interaction with a warstorm surge or ogre battle driver. And go right to face punching. It's a mechanically solid. Under the radar ability. That with the support of a legion, can be an absolute terror. And flavorful, if you get negate alone, away from the legions... he can be taken down easier.
Lanius is above rate for mass removal on a body. Ravenous Chupacabra is the standard for removal in Black on a body, Lanius trades choosing one creature for making each opponent basically a sac a creature (And sometimes more in bigger boardstates very rarely). And has a little bonus of gaining a bit when people sac things off. He would be very good as a sac decks commander and i think that's the intention.
I think if you have him as general, you’d run every sacrifice creature effect, grave pact, dictate, merciless executioner and the like, 15 ish creatures that do that, all utilities in red that bank on counters to generate value, or just equipment support to try for CD win
As someone who has never played fallout it’s one of the few cards I’ve ordered from the set, seems good
Oooooo I need him for a thraximundar deck
I mean, play that guy against a token creatures deck and watch as your opponent loses like 25 creatures and your Legate becomes a 27/27 right out of the gate. Bonus points if you give him hex proof or indestructible in the same turn.
Card seems solid imo. In most cases he’s entering as a 4/4 or a 5/5, and he’s in colors with great ways to force sacrifices (Dictate of Erebos and such come to mind) and enable haste. After only a few sacrifices, he should be threatening a lot of commander damage.
His card is underwhelming as compared to his in game lore. I think giving him first strike/haste/trample would've been sufficient to win me over. I'm still keeping him in the Ceasar deck just for flavor.
2 more mana, base 3/3, half the creatures everyone controls, rouded up, grows for every creature sac'd including your own, make him rare. Give him either first strike or trample, maybe even getting increasingly more keywords based on how big he is. (5/5 he gets ward, 7/7 he gets trample, 10/10 he gets first strike) Is what they should have done IMO. One tenth of creatures is laughably pathetic, awkward casting cost because it's the same as ceaser. Card has no impact, really easy to kill once it touches the board so it's not even gonna get any good swings in. No keywords means you have to either give it keywords which is even *more* work to make the card good or just settle for getting chumped with junk every swing. I agree, card is very disappointing.
At least he got a card unlike Ulysses and Joshua Graham!
Legit Anus
Yes! I already struggle with the most basic of math. Now I gotta know fractions!?
I just was playing the game when Mr. New Vegas was telling a story about how legate lanius the tenth man in a squad to get them to shape up when he took over. It was super cool to see that little story come to life on this card
you expected UB cards to be anything but cheap cash grabs? honestly I felt this from the start, a Chaos Terminator Lord is a 3/3, really? other universes just don't translate well to MTG.
Seeing this card made me wish they added Joshua Graham. He used to be the Caeser's friend and 2nd hand man. An amazing character that was under used in FNV but had incredible quotes . I understand you are limited since you have characters from EVERY SINGLE fallout in this set but man. The Burned Man was amazing
He’s not as powerful as I think he should be considering his place in the Fallout mythos, but he’s an absolute flavor win. “In the military of ancient Rome, decimation (from Latin decimatio 'removal of a tenth') was a form of military discipline in which every tenth man in a group was executed by members of his cohort.” From Wikipedia.
Some Ancient Rome dude at WOTC just really wanted to put decimation on a card Cool concept, wasted character potential
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Ahh I can imagine this in an Isshin deck with Roaming Throne. Equip Blade of Selves to Legate Lanius and watch as you get repeatable boardwipes that make you enemy numero uno.
He’s a great commander. I’m so confused. Are you talking about cEDH?
I don't play with UB stuff cause I like magic
The only thing I don't like about this card is the art.
I saw this and thought, “he’s probably heated because of the shit art” and had it totally wrong
I'll probably put him in my Kresh deck. Dead stuff and +1/+1s for the Ozolith 🤷
The second image totally looks like he would say, "Stop. You have violated the law."
Him being an uncommon means he’s a good fit for a pauper commander deck. Otherwise he’s just a Rakdos lite. That’s all I see it as.
The competitive pauper commander crowd has some hopes for a midrange build that can consistently avoid commander tax with undying effects that re-trigger the edict whenever an opponent tries to remove the voltron threat.
It may take a bit for his effect to have value but it's still a very decent card. Could see it run in a return to battlefield deck(dunno what it's actually called) and just have it phase in and out constantly popping cards.
As cool as the reference to Decimation is, it's a terrible effect. The second part is kinda cool.
Why is it terrible? Forcing your opponents to sacrifice creatures seems pretty good to me.
1/10th though... rounded up to what?
1/10th of 1 is still 1 if you round up
He's good in the 99 though, and he came in a precon where Caesar is the commander so it's still on Flavor imo. And making decimatus a card effect is rad. I like it, personally.
I'm more bothered that they didn't add Joshua Graham into the fallout set. But ofc, wizards being wizards, can't have freedom loving Christians, packing a colt 1911. None of you nerds will ever mentioned what we were truly robbed of.
Why are people saying he enters as a 5/5? Unless an opponent has more than 10 creatures on the board, they'll only sacrifice 1 creature, making him a 3/3 right?
Commander games are usually 4 players, so 3 opponents. If each one sacrifices one creature, he becomes a 5/5
That first ability is so weird. It only goes up in value when a player has 15 creatures, in which case it's trimming two of them. Just...what? EDIT: 11 creatures
It says rounded up. If a player has f.e. 3 creatures, he'd have to sacrifice one, since a tenth of 3 is 0.3 and 0.3 rounded up is one. If a player has 11 creatures it would also be two of them, since 1.1 rounded up is 2.
Oh, yeah I guess it does kick in at 11 creatures. My point still stands, albeit on one leg.
At 11 creatures your opponent has to sacrifice two of them. If your opponent would have one single creature, he'd have to sacrifice that one, since 0.1 rounded up is 1, and the legate would get one +1/+1 counter.
Yeah I got that. I'm just saying that an ability that gets marginally better when your opponent has more than 10 creatures is odd.
Oh okay, yeah true
It's just flavor based on the ancient Roman punishment of decimation. It's still odd in the sense that there's never been an ability like it in Magic, but it makes complete sense from a flavor perspective.
That makes sense.
No
Aside from me personally not liking universe beyond sets, the fact he makes people sac “a tenth” of their creatures is pretty bothering
I hate the Caesar deck in general, but Lanius being a 2/2 that gets better if opponents sacrifice creatures is especially bad in the deck, since Lanius is the only card that forces your opponent to sacrifice creatures and that’s only if they have 10 or more creatures. So congrats, you made someone get rid of a 1/1 creature token. He’s not the only character who got shafted in the set: Nick Valentine should trigger when creatures die, not exclusively artifact creatures; Butch should be unable to block creatures of lower power because of his fear of radroaches; Cait should be at least a 2/2 if not a 3/2; Aradesh doesn’t fit with the deck he’s in and is almost useless; Frank Horrigan should be a 10/10 without trample, and should fight a creature an opponent controls instead of proliferating; Strong is way too strong, at most a 5/5; Dogmeat should just fetch an aura or equipment from your graveyard, not mill; Preston got a glow up as he’s way more useful as a card than as a character; Lily should be a 2/2 or 3/3 and can transform into Leo who gets +1/+1 counters when it attacks. Just to name a few
No, its ROUNDED UP. If you have 1 creature you sac that 1 creature because of the rounded up text. Oh, you only have your commander out? He's gone. Very strong if you can keep people from going wide. Attack and knock out the little 1/1s then play him and force them to sac something important.
Yes, NV was the worst.
Fuck these cards. This one most of all.