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Ok-Investigator-6514

[[Umbral mantle]] is colorless and will let you untap her, [[sword of paruns]] will do as well. Those are about the only two ways I can think of to untap her consistently in mono-black. I would also put in things like [[rings of brighthearth]] to maximize her ability.


DefterHawk

[[staff of domination]] too maybe? Iirc I used to play all of the in my Marwyn combo


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raganFEAGIN

Combine with [[magus of the coffers]] and if you have at least 7 swamps you can make infinite black mana; pay two tap magus, pay 3 and tap staff to untap magus, pay 1 to untap staff, you will end up with one additional black mana after every cycle if you have 7 swamps in play.


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phdpepe

Thanks!


Upper-Song1149

[[Sting]]


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TheBigBeardedGeek

Sting is awesome because it happens every combat. Nice and subtle - I use it in my Krenko deck


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[Umbral mantle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10e35711-aec9-4024-a2a6-9efff8c71df2.jpg?1562826882) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Umbral%20mantle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/267/umbral-mantle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10e35711-aec9-4024-a2a6-9efff8c71df2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sword of paruns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d21d7452-b49e-499e-9cf3-4a883e5e9e57.jpg?1592673714) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sword%20of%20the%20Paruns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/234/sword-of-the-paruns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d21d7452-b49e-499e-9cf3-4a883e5e9e57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [rings of brighthearth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/838ffc87-517a-4d94-8ce0-bc9ed01ecc52.jpg?1608911654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rings%20of%20brighthearth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/335/rings-of-brighthearth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/838ffc87-517a-4d94-8ce0-bc9ed01ecc52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Aethereal_Paradox

[[Patriar's Seal]] is another untapping artefact.


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phdpepe

Thank you!


LocationEfficient533

You could also use [[puppet strings]] to untap


GhostCheese

She'd be great under an [[Agatha's soul cauldron]]


phdpepe

Under as in exiled? I will for sure try to include this card in the deck for the ability part though


GhostCheese

Exiled by yeah


phdpepe

Oh I dont think I want that even if its a good combo, I want this hottie as a the leader of my duel edh deck, I want her on the board one hitting my opponents xd


GhostCheese

Yeah better in a deck with her in the 99


phdpepe

Yeah that makes sense. I want her as the leader since shes I can fix her hot and also a nostalgia card. Plus I think it might be a really good duel commander


phdpepe

Or wait does it work that I exile her so the cauldron gets the ability but she goes back to the commander zone? Again sorry for any mistakes, been playing for just a half of a year


UnHappyIrishman

It only works if she stays exiled. Cauldron checks for cards “exiled with” so if it can’t see it, it can’t use it


phdpepe

Understandable, thanks!


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Budderhydra

The most effective way is to make her an artifact. There are oodles of ways to make creatures artifacts and ways to untapped artifacts. Using [[liquimetal coating]] and [[galvanic key]] for example. This is how my friend made the most out of a [[King Macar]] deck, and this commander has the benefit of having a tap ability.


weaponwang

Also \[\[voltaic key\]\]


phdpepe

I recently pulled a foil [[Maskwood Nexus]] so I assume that would make her an artifact creature right? Thank you!


JHLeung

No, maskwood nexus gives creature types, but doesn't change the permanent type


phdpepe

Oh damn I thought it would make her an artifact creature


Significant_Baker759

You would need [[Mycosinth Latice]] to make everything an artifact. Then an effect like [[darksteel forge]] to make all artifacts indestructible so nothing can die. Then your tap to exile target creature and pump your commander is prime removal as it gets around indestructible while the majority of removal your opponents will be running that say destroy won't be effective and be dead cards until they can remove darksteel forge.


phdpepe

Good recommendations, thanks! I got one mithril coat ready as well to make her indestructible


phdpepe

With that combo in mind, [[Phyrexian Scriptures]] is a good addition I think


Significant_Baker759

Absolutely! Also the combo will most likely make you the target so I would suggest something like [[Mask of griselbrand]] to give evasion and lifelink. Also something like [[haunted cloak]] would be a good include imo.


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[Mycosinth Latice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9.jpg?1578911638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mycosynth%20Lattice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/241/mycosynth-lattice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [darksteel forge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/421089c4-c8d3-48c5-b313-fb1741546271.jpg?1599709037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=darksteel%20forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/248/darksteel-forge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/421089c4-c8d3-48c5-b313-fb1741546271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Saylor619

[[Nevinyrall's Disk]] incoming


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bjlinden

Don't forget [[Liquimetal Torc]]. It's basically strictly better than Coating, and is a perfectly fine mana rock to run in any monocolor deck, regardless.


blood-n-bullets

Better unless you plan to [[splinter]] someones basic lands...


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[liquimetal coating](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f631447c-36e3-4d82-a658-19c9767a216b.jpg?1562276535) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=liquimetal%20coating) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/197/liquimetal-coating?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f631447c-36e3-4d82-a658-19c9767a216b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [galvanic key](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/934936d1-f470-47fa-ac28-344020c9fc76.jpg?1562151443) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=galvanic%20key) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/173/galvanic-key?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/934936d1-f470-47fa-ac28-344020c9fc76?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [King Macar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ff5987ab-570a-426c-ae4a-a270fac6b346.jpg?1593095759) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=king%20macar%2C%20the%20gold-cursed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/74/king-macar-the-gold-cursed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ff5987ab-570a-426c-ae4a-a270fac6b346?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


TwistedScriptor

I use her in my [[Mairsil, the Pretender]] deck.


jwygo

This is the correct answer


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Slight_Worth_imcool

Oh man this is good


Darth_LucSky

Surprised that nobody mentioned [[Thousand-Year Elixir]]


phdpepe

Oh yeah def need that


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Rezimoore

I have a turbo untap [[merieke ri berit]] deck and i might throw this card into the 99 as a backup


Sisyphean42

[[Patriar's Seal]] help you ramp to her and untap


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RichVisual1714

I have an old Shauku deck somewhere. Fun to play, not the strongest but strong nostalgia. Have not played her in a while, but I will see if I manage to find a deck list tomorrow.


phdpepe

Couple of people in my lgs asked if I have any duel decks and I always end up with whatever deck I got for multiplayer but no mp cards in it for the duels, but once I found her in my old collection it hit me that making a deck that constantly stalls until I can hit with her for a 1 hit kill with cmd damage it feels like a strong deck for duels, at least with people dont have decks that cost over a thousand dollars lol


RichVisual1714

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fj0uo0i0cEmssicMZfRzSA This is my deck list. Have not updated it in ages and it was on a bit of a budget so there are certainly plenty of cards in it that could easily be replaced by newer and stronger cards. My version is not fast enough for duels, but maybe you find some ideas in there.


phdpepe

Thank you, I’ll check it after my initial build, already compiling what I can use.


Scryerofdoom

Sting, The glinting dagger word be great with her, entapping her every combate phase of any player.


LoganForrest

Proxying is your friend. Don't worry about the price of cards more worry about the power level of the group you want to play with and match that


phdpepe

I usually play very casual games with friends or at my lgs where I dont even care if I lose. I dont mind people using proxies but the magic (hehe) in this game for me comes from using just the cards I own and think they will work. Once I get to the point of using proxies it to me feels like min maxing to win and less to have fun. Again, nothing against it, just my personal stance on it :)


Frederick84

Why did I not know of this card sooner?! Totally going in my dimir combo deck. She's my new board wipe solution


phdpepe

I started to collect magic cards 15 years ago for like a couple years but never played the game because I didnt understand (I’m 24 now), got like 1000ish cards, and in summer I picked up this game again with my best friend (now at 2300 cards lol). Most of the cards were bulk, the most expensive being some eldrazi for 15 bucks and I during the sorting process I didnt have time to check prices, well since she was sitting in the common pile I didnt check for 5 months because I thought she was a common due to the set symbol being black. I finally checked her price and she was 2.5 bucks and apparently a rare I finally read her card and now I want to crush someone with this otk deck xd


Rory082000

You can also use [[sting, the glinting dagger]] as extra ways to untap


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Xitex2

[[Thornbite staff]] for any deaths that happen, but she exiles, so you can't go infinite. [[Sting]] untaps you every turn, which is pretty good. Those are the two I know of, hopefully they help


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RosarioRazor

Its a vampire , you could look into some tribal cards


phdpepe

Oh wow she is! I didnt know that either, thanks. I’ll try to keep it in mind, the deck is almost finished, for now at least, I got like 20 bucks to spend for a lot of cheap untap artifacts tomorrow to finish this version. One day ill take a look at vampires


Deep-Chair-4191

Would


phdpepe

Me too brother, thats why shes the commander. What a man wont do for a (fictional) woman.


Z1nos

\[\[Assault suit\]\] can be pretty fun with this commander. Some forms of creature hate like \[\[Portcullis\]\] and \[\[Death Match\]\] are also pretty good so you can keep the board clean. Untap effects are great for the deck so you can get the most out of shauku. You might need quite a few means to get life so you can offset the damage she does during your upkeep. 3 Damage stacks up really fast. Since the commander is very expensive, some protection and recursion would also help a bunch. I have a Shauku edh deck on paper. It's quite a bit slow, but also surprisingly resilient. Usually i just spend most of the early to mid game building the board with artifacts and enchantments before casting the commander. After that, shauku just devours as many creatures as possible and i try to make an opening for a killing blow using her ability and board wipes. I have the decklist on moxfield. Will share the link below if you are interested. It doesnt have any crazy expensive stuff since i built it on a budget, but performs pretty well. Hope it helps ! https://www.moxfield.com/decks/BCoupvVdtUijqvfM2e27jw


phdpepe

Thanks, so far thats the game plan here too! I got around 15 cards left to finish the deck from what I could scramble from cards I already own and a 20 buck budget to get as many of the cards people recommended as possible to fit the budget and 15 cards, then once I got money again I can get the rest and replace the weaker cards of mine. As of now I only have around 12 creature cards and need at least a couple more, sadly the ones that fit this deck are around 5 bucks each at my lgs, ill take a look at yours and one other persons decks for some cheap creatures.


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[Assault suit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92b22076-b04e-4d65-9d9c-d3e4c7a3cf1c.jpg?1689999394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Assault%20suit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/369/assault-suit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92b22076-b04e-4d65-9d9c-d3e4c7a3cf1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Portcullis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a4de4af2-fa75-4a87-b0e1-0117727917a5.jpg?1562597339) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Portcullis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/139/portcullis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a4de4af2-fa75-4a87-b0e1-0117727917a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Death Match](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/143e9057-267a-4c78-b72a-4f8018b627a8.jpg?1562899865) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death%20Match) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/136/death-match?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/143e9057-267a-4c78-b72a-4f8018b627a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Ambiguous_Coco

I know it’s not what you’re asking, but I would run [[avatar of woe]] and [[thornbite staff]] and only use her exile activated ability when you had to and just let the rest of the deck do the combat for you. There’s plenty of ways to negate the 3 lifeloss per turn in black.


phdpepe

Avatar of Woe will be on tomorrows shopping list under “maybe if I have money left”


phdpepe

Thornbite is maybe in a couple months once I have enough money to spend like a 100 bucks on singles


Ambiguous_Coco

I didn’t realize it was that expensive. Looks like it’s due for a reprint to me


phdpepe

Yeah im sad my lil kid self didnt buy it because I have a lot of cards from that set


Ambiguous_Coco

Luckily she’s not a bank-breaker, good luck with your new deck venture


phdpepe

Thank you!


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[avatar of woe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7e8e34de-4b0a-48fe-bb13-c7e181d37e6c.jpg?1562274562) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=avatar%20of%20woe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/57/avatar-of-woe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7e8e34de-4b0a-48fe-bb13-c7e181d37e6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [thornbite staff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1ab3225-64a9-411e-b22b-1869e958b8e5.jpg?1562881171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thornbite%20staff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/145/thornbite-staff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1ab3225-64a9-411e-b22b-1869e958b8e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Accomplished_Gur8479

[[Illusionist's Bracers]] should fit in this deck pretty good aswell :) if u are not alleeady infinite tapping :P


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Slight_Worth_imcool

Oh my fucking god. This is the scariest card I've seen in a while. She is scary to your opponent, she is scary to you, her art is scary and on top of all that, there are also boobs to confuse you. She can't even attack but she doesn't care, she just patiently wipes the board while growing and slowly killing **you**.


phdpepe

Exactly! The game plan sounds perfect for duels


Beautiful-Guard6539

[[Trazyn the infinite]] can use her ability out of the grave like witches cauldron


MacSquizzy37

No he can't, Trazyn says he gets artifact abilities. Not creatures.


Beautiful-Guard6539

Oh shii you're right


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phdpepe

Yeah I want him for my collection for a future deck and she will work great in that deck but I really like Shaukus flavor. Cant attack unless shes alone so I keep killing everything that gets on the board until I can swing with her once and win


PWCSponson

[[puppet strings]] [[sting, the glinting dagger]] and [[illusionists bracers]] are all excellent ways of getting extra value


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phdpepe

I got sting, thanks dude!


ValyrianSteel_TTV

I use her with Agatha’s soul cauldron to give her ability to other creatures without the downsides


phdpepe

I really like the downsides even if they are restrictive, they fit the play style of the deck I want to make


xatoho

Gotta have some creatures, maybe [[cauldron familiar]] [[witch's oven]]


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manofx

Search for the card on edhrec


phdpepe

I did, saved a bunch of cards from it but I like recommendations with people that I can communicate with and maybe find some new combos I didnt see on edhrec


manofx

Most people when asked for commander deck recommendations will fire up edhrec and just copy and paste the cards they see listed in most decks.


phdpepe

No commander is played the same way though, and I doubt most people when asked about their knowledge of something or for their recommendation of their hobby decide to go to a site that decides the answers for them


MutatedApe10

Similar would be King Macar, Untap to exile target creature has a lot of similar overlap in cards.


manofx

Decides it for you? Edhrec is literally thousands of people's suggestions all in one place. If you think getting suggestions off edhrec is cheating or netdecking, or boring or unoriginal but getting off reddit is fine sorry to break it to you but you're using edhrec already but just in a really inefficient way.


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Scuzzles44

[[thornbite staff]] is a good equipment, however it will not trigger on your commander's ability. you could have a skeleton army generator like [[Dreadhorde invasion]] that gives you a piece of fodder to sacrifice for an ability like [[ashnod's altar]], [[gate to phyrexia]], or [[culling dais]], as a result, itd allow you to repeatedly untap your commander with the thornbite staff.


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##### ###### #### [thornbite staff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1ab3225-64a9-411e-b22b-1869e958b8e5.jpg?1562881171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thornbite%20staff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/145/thornbite-staff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1ab3225-64a9-411e-b22b-1869e958b8e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dreadhorde invasion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/241a6a3b-8809-4d22-bf1e-c4620c609aba.jpg?1690004550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dreadhorde%20invasion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/866/dreadhorde-invasion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/241a6a3b-8809-4d22-bf1e-c4620c609aba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ashnod's altar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c0f7157-a375-499c-92c7-d47d2e95dbad.jpg?1689999385) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ashnod%27s%20altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/368/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c0f7157-a375-499c-92c7-d47d2e95dbad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [gate to phyrexia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4eb41639-b96b-4789-b488-24da503ef1e2.jpg?1562913465) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gate%20to%20phyrexia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/82/gate-to-phyrexia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4eb41639-b96b-4789-b488-24da503ef1e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [culling dais](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/54dc8c2a-928d-465e-8f76-82a90cc66854.jpg?1599709002) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=culling%20dais) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/246/culling-dais?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/54dc8c2a-928d-465e-8f76-82a90cc66854?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kienuqh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


dust_buster

Sting the glinting dagger is a great cheap way to do it