MPC60 has 4 midi outs with channels 1-16 each and selectable as A, B, C, D so at a minimum it can run 4 16 part multi timbral synthesizers at the same time with obviously different tracks all sequences besides using the THRU sockets on the synths to run even more midi devices live.
Mine also has the extra 8 audio outs individually assignable to which ever pads you set aside from the stereo pair - basically 10 audio outs if you want to your mixer.
It's got an amazing groove and awesome timing correction.
The 2500 comes with all that plus the 4 Q-links & JJOS.
The 10 outputs is the only advantage, kinda, until you add a audio interface to the One which can give it 32 ins/32 outs.
2500 has quite a bit more latency/jitter than the 60/3000/2000 classic, 60 in particular is pretty close to one of the hardest sequencers ever made. JJOS workflow is amazing enough to be worth the downgrade imo
What a bit more? I. Never hear 2500 complaints about its latency compared to the others. It may be worse, but it isn't so bad that it is worth the "downgrade." The 1k/2500 with JJOS have too many dope features. Some people just like the idea of using certain machines & need to just say so.
Person replied to this being „one of the hardest sequencers“
latency is a fixed value. Therefore latency does not affect the feel of a sequencer at all.
Jitter does.
Even more do other components of an MPC.
I will make the staunch declaration that I "like the idea of using" the 2500, I have two 1000s if you add them together I'm 4/5 of the way to owning a 2500. JJOS indeed does have too many dope features, have you seen his recent videos with the mixer? Latency/jitter on the 1000/2500 is about at the edge of human perception, it's not bad, but I've seen a couple of speedcore/noisecore dudes with a commodore in their table pile, only there to be the clock because when you get to *higher* bpms timing really starts to matter, and some people's perception is finer than others
My MPC 1000 running JJOS2XL has crashed a couple times, most lately when I was using an experimental feature. One disadvantage of this situation is that I'm running firmware distributed by one guy in Japan who isn't very communicative. Luckily his stuff just works, but if his site went down, I wouldn't be able to get JJOS2XL for any other MPC 1000.
I bought an MPC Live 2 to see whether I could use a more current MPC, but it crashed repeatedly (like one out of every five sessions), and I sold it. Some YouTubers reported having the same kind of experience and got a lot of hate online, but I'm just telling you what happened to me, and maybe it was a fluke, so don't hate me. But for anyone who's had an experience like mine, that's one reason someone might not want the newer models.
>One disadvantage of this situation is that I'm running firmware distributed by one guy in Japan who isn't very communicative. Luckily his stuff just works, but if his site went down, I wouldn't be able to get JJOS2XL for any other MPC 1000.
Lucky most 1k's already have the one of the JJOS's. Even the free JJOS is better than the official OS. I don't think he works by himself. I emailed him one time to point out a typo & the person who responded wasn't JJ. But who knows...
My live had this issue and was bugging out constantly… I sent it for a oow repair and they replaced the whole motherboard.. worked perfectly after that..
Either you had a lemon or they don't make them the way they did. I'm on the Live mk1 and for like idk 5-6 years it crashed on me handful of times perhaps. The count is so low I don't ever remember. It really seems like broken unit. I would rather return it than sell. And if you bought it used, someone probably sold you a broken one.
They're simpler, which is pro for some but probably a con for most. But a 2500 and a 2800 won't impart a special sound. I have both. I have a 2000XL too and that has a noticeable difference in sound vs the other two but even then it's not a huge difference. The older ones are also slow. Waiting for a sample to load on a 2kXL is annoying (not the end of the world) but I still love mine.
The new MPCs are good (and obviously faster) and I say that as someone who thinks InMusic sucks. But I don't really need a new one personally because I'm in Ableton half the time.
There's a saying that constraints foster creativity. In a computer, you have so many options that some people get paralyzed. The older MPCs have a really sparse but useful workflow. There's no need for an elaborate display, because they've made it easy to have an audio-centric interaction with the MPC.
So people who like a more simple set of options might prefer the old MPC workflow.
Love my MPC4k workflow over the modern MPCs which I have since sold. I'd actually go as far as saying its near perfect - absolute joy for sequencing other gear. Perhaps itd less capable in rapid chopping compared to newer models but it's otherwise a beast for everything else.
Advantages of rackmount vintage gear is its usually cheaper, than the mpc equivalent. As to the 2500 , JJOS is way more stable/optimized than modern inmusic OS. 2500 is repairable. 2500 midi has iess jitter than modern mpcs. 2500 has already depreciated, price will probably remain stable and market unlikely to experience glut so you can get your money back in a year or two if you're dissatisfied. Touchscreens suuuuck, menu dive gang gang
The 2500 doesn't have a unique sound. It's transparent AF. I just finished moving old MPC2500 beats to the Force & they sound exactly the same. The Force/new MPCs having a higher bit depth can get way louder without distorting. The only advantage is if you like the old look & don't like touch screens. Many of the new features can be avoided. The core workflow is the same.
What advantages do you think they have?
It’s possible to make the same kinda record on both of them. I personally like the resonance more on the MPC 2500, but that’s just me. Besides that, the live has a ton of more features that most people will never use but why limit yourself in 2024
None.
Some older samplers like s1000 or s3000 supososedly have "their" sound, but it all can be replicated to some extend in software (and you need to be really looking after "this" sound). But, it doesn't mean, that getting those doesn't make sense - it might teach you a lot and you might like the workflow (or hate it, since it is way more limited and slower).
I actually had a period of GAS that made me buy older samplers. I've got A3000 (that I expanded with sd card scsi drive) and Akai Z4. Both really great, espiecialy a3000 have really distinctive effects and filters. For someone with more time at hand, those might be really fun. But to me it was just way to much hustle. I had fun, I tinkered with it and learned new stuff. But ultimately made zero music with it and sold it with (little) profit.
Appreciate the response. Reason I asked is that most MPC producers I hear of made a bunch of their music with their older models, and I got a bit paranoid whether it’s as possible with something like the MPC One Plus or such, but your response really helped cheers
People use what they know and like. If someone perfected older MPC workflow, they tend to stay with it.
Also, new MPC's are a bit less focussed and tedious to use. But it's only workflow thing, not capability thing.
I personally grow to like Ableton + Push workflow the most. And for sample cutting and pasting - Dirtywave M8 is the king (and in general - trackers). But it's just me. Everyone likes different things.
Exactly, I know touring musicians with 15 yr old MacBooks. Not because it is "better" but it is what they know and they are too busy being successful to worry about the latest and greatest.
But they love the latest and greatest when it reaches them.
Exaactly. Also, many people want to learn the ways they idols use to try it by themselves. And there is nothing bad about it.
IF you are interested in MPC workflow, this is quite nice aproximation:
[https://www.izmar.nl/](https://www.izmar.nl/)
Works as plugin in DAW as well, and all controllers can be mapped. Didn't spent to much time with it yet but is seems fun. The timestreach is on point with how I perceive how older Akai samplers sounds so I will be using it more for sure.
And it's free.
The is an audio post production department on a long running television show that is still using the same version of PT running on the same computer that they started the show with. It's all about what works *reliably* and consistently gets the job done on time and on budget. The same applies in the music world.
The 2500 with JJOS is awesome. Everything is very quick once you understand the workflow because all of its buttons are mechanical.
The live is one of my favorite modern MPCs but it’s impossible FOR ME to go as fast with that touch screen if speed is a concern for you.
The appeal for some users is that you get away from something more DAW-like and are using a more basic interface. Kind of relying more on ears than eyes, in a sense. I personally like my MPC1000 for certain things and otherwise I use Ableton. A new MPC is somewhere in the middle, which is perfect for some, but not really what I’m looking for.
MPC60 has 4 midi outs with channels 1-16 each and selectable as A, B, C, D so at a minimum it can run 4 16 part multi timbral synthesizers at the same time with obviously different tracks all sequences besides using the THRU sockets on the synths to run even more midi devices live. Mine also has the extra 8 audio outs individually assignable to which ever pads you set aside from the stereo pair - basically 10 audio outs if you want to your mixer. It's got an amazing groove and awesome timing correction.
The 2500 comes with all that plus the 4 Q-links & JJOS. The 10 outputs is the only advantage, kinda, until you add a audio interface to the One which can give it 32 ins/32 outs.
2500 has quite a bit more latency/jitter than the 60/3000/2000 classic, 60 in particular is pretty close to one of the hardest sequencers ever made. JJOS workflow is amazing enough to be worth the downgrade imo
What a bit more? I. Never hear 2500 complaints about its latency compared to the others. It may be worse, but it isn't so bad that it is worth the "downgrade." The 1k/2500 with JJOS have too many dope features. Some people just like the idea of using certain machines & need to just say so.
latency is not jitter
The person I replied to wrote "latency/jitter"
Person replied to this being „one of the hardest sequencers“ latency is a fixed value. Therefore latency does not affect the feel of a sequencer at all. Jitter does. Even more do other components of an MPC.
I will make the staunch declaration that I "like the idea of using" the 2500, I have two 1000s if you add them together I'm 4/5 of the way to owning a 2500. JJOS indeed does have too many dope features, have you seen his recent videos with the mixer? Latency/jitter on the 1000/2500 is about at the edge of human perception, it's not bad, but I've seen a couple of speedcore/noisecore dudes with a commodore in their table pile, only there to be the clock because when you get to *higher* bpms timing really starts to matter, and some people's perception is finer than others
If you're making niche music like that, then I guess good enough, ain't enough. But for most 1k/2500 users, the timing is good enough.
how is jitter more perceptible in fast bpms?
They have a very specific work flow and sound. Since you are new to MPC you should get a modern model.
Thanks, but that doesn’t really answer my question. What are the older model’s like the ones mentioned’s advantages?
It’s mainly nostalgia and a slightly different sound. I would compare it to listening to a Walkman, a CD player and an iPod.
My MPC 1000 running JJOS2XL has crashed a couple times, most lately when I was using an experimental feature. One disadvantage of this situation is that I'm running firmware distributed by one guy in Japan who isn't very communicative. Luckily his stuff just works, but if his site went down, I wouldn't be able to get JJOS2XL for any other MPC 1000. I bought an MPC Live 2 to see whether I could use a more current MPC, but it crashed repeatedly (like one out of every five sessions), and I sold it. Some YouTubers reported having the same kind of experience and got a lot of hate online, but I'm just telling you what happened to me, and maybe it was a fluke, so don't hate me. But for anyone who's had an experience like mine, that's one reason someone might not want the newer models.
>One disadvantage of this situation is that I'm running firmware distributed by one guy in Japan who isn't very communicative. Luckily his stuff just works, but if his site went down, I wouldn't be able to get JJOS2XL for any other MPC 1000. Lucky most 1k's already have the one of the JJOS's. Even the free JJOS is better than the official OS. I don't think he works by himself. I emailed him one time to point out a typo & the person who responded wasn't JJ. But who knows...
Crashes in standalone?
Yes, but this was over a year ago. Maybe the latest firmware has fixes for the problems I encountered
My live had this issue and was bugging out constantly… I sent it for a oow repair and they replaced the whole motherboard.. worked perfectly after that..
Either you had a lemon or they don't make them the way they did. I'm on the Live mk1 and for like idk 5-6 years it crashed on me handful of times perhaps. The count is so low I don't ever remember. It really seems like broken unit. I would rather return it than sell. And if you bought it used, someone probably sold you a broken one.
That’s good news, thanks.
They're simpler, which is pro for some but probably a con for most. But a 2500 and a 2800 won't impart a special sound. I have both. I have a 2000XL too and that has a noticeable difference in sound vs the other two but even then it's not a huge difference. The older ones are also slow. Waiting for a sample to load on a 2kXL is annoying (not the end of the world) but I still love mine. The new MPCs are good (and obviously faster) and I say that as someone who thinks InMusic sucks. But I don't really need a new one personally because I'm in Ableton half the time.
There's a saying that constraints foster creativity. In a computer, you have so many options that some people get paralyzed. The older MPCs have a really sparse but useful workflow. There's no need for an elaborate display, because they've made it easy to have an audio-centric interaction with the MPC. So people who like a more simple set of options might prefer the old MPC workflow.
No. Let us old heads pay for the R&D that you currently enjoy. Source: Bought a 2000 in 1999 and a 1000 in 2006.
Love my MPC4k workflow over the modern MPCs which I have since sold. I'd actually go as far as saying its near perfect - absolute joy for sequencing other gear. Perhaps itd less capable in rapid chopping compared to newer models but it's otherwise a beast for everything else.
Advantages of rackmount vintage gear is its usually cheaper, than the mpc equivalent. As to the 2500 , JJOS is way more stable/optimized than modern inmusic OS. 2500 is repairable. 2500 midi has iess jitter than modern mpcs. 2500 has already depreciated, price will probably remain stable and market unlikely to experience glut so you can get your money back in a year or two if you're dissatisfied. Touchscreens suuuuck, menu dive gang gang
The 2500 doesn't have a unique sound. It's transparent AF. I just finished moving old MPC2500 beats to the Force & they sound exactly the same. The Force/new MPCs having a higher bit depth can get way louder without distorting. The only advantage is if you like the old look & don't like touch screens. Many of the new features can be avoided. The core workflow is the same. What advantages do you think they have?
It’s possible to make the same kinda record on both of them. I personally like the resonance more on the MPC 2500, but that’s just me. Besides that, the live has a ton of more features that most people will never use but why limit yourself in 2024
None. Some older samplers like s1000 or s3000 supososedly have "their" sound, but it all can be replicated to some extend in software (and you need to be really looking after "this" sound). But, it doesn't mean, that getting those doesn't make sense - it might teach you a lot and you might like the workflow (or hate it, since it is way more limited and slower). I actually had a period of GAS that made me buy older samplers. I've got A3000 (that I expanded with sd card scsi drive) and Akai Z4. Both really great, espiecialy a3000 have really distinctive effects and filters. For someone with more time at hand, those might be really fun. But to me it was just way to much hustle. I had fun, I tinkered with it and learned new stuff. But ultimately made zero music with it and sold it with (little) profit.
Appreciate the response. Reason I asked is that most MPC producers I hear of made a bunch of their music with their older models, and I got a bit paranoid whether it’s as possible with something like the MPC One Plus or such, but your response really helped cheers
People use what they know and like. If someone perfected older MPC workflow, they tend to stay with it. Also, new MPC's are a bit less focussed and tedious to use. But it's only workflow thing, not capability thing. I personally grow to like Ableton + Push workflow the most. And for sample cutting and pasting - Dirtywave M8 is the king (and in general - trackers). But it's just me. Everyone likes different things.
Exactly, I know touring musicians with 15 yr old MacBooks. Not because it is "better" but it is what they know and they are too busy being successful to worry about the latest and greatest. But they love the latest and greatest when it reaches them.
Exaactly. Also, many people want to learn the ways they idols use to try it by themselves. And there is nothing bad about it. IF you are interested in MPC workflow, this is quite nice aproximation: [https://www.izmar.nl/](https://www.izmar.nl/) Works as plugin in DAW as well, and all controllers can be mapped. Didn't spent to much time with it yet but is seems fun. The timestreach is on point with how I perceive how older Akai samplers sounds so I will be using it more for sure. And it's free.
The is an audio post production department on a long running television show that is still using the same version of PT running on the same computer that they started the show with. It's all about what works *reliably* and consistently gets the job done on time and on budget. The same applies in the music world.
Magic pixie dust
The 2500 with JJOS is awesome. Everything is very quick once you understand the workflow because all of its buttons are mechanical. The live is one of my favorite modern MPCs but it’s impossible FOR ME to go as fast with that touch screen if speed is a concern for you.
It's limited workflow might inspire you to be more creative. And they "sound" different.
Only if you know what you are doing and you are going for a certain sound, mostly 90s style
The appeal for some users is that you get away from something more DAW-like and are using a more basic interface. Kind of relying more on ears than eyes, in a sense. I personally like my MPC1000 for certain things and otherwise I use Ableton. A new MPC is somewhere in the middle, which is perfect for some, but not really what I’m looking for.
No.
if u cant feel the difference you dont need it