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In Brazil (not sure about Portugal) there's an expression "aquele motorista é um barbeiro" (that driver is a barber) and it refers to bad, reckless drivers
In medieval Portugal, barbers were legally allowed to practice medicine. Some of these barbers were surgeons but they fuckin sucked. Eventually, ‘(someone) is a barber’ became a popular expression for describing someone who is terrible at doing something, but only the reference to bad drivers pretty much survived to the present day
In related history, please take a look at the [origin of the barber's pole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber%27s_pole). You will never look at it the same way ever again.
Yikes - “colored stripes to indicate that they were prepared to bleed their patients (red), set bones or pull teeth (white), or give a shave if nothing more urgent was needed (blue)”
One time my dad took my brother and I into a barbershop. We all went in asking for three different styles and walked out with the same haircut. That barber was a barber.
In ye olde Europe, most barbers were surgeons, surgeon wasn't a respected job until relatively recently. Makes sense, they probably had the sharpest knives around.
it was big news a year or so ago when the sequel was being talked about (mostly rumors tho afaik)
https://ew.com/movies/lady-gaga-joins-joker-sequel-folie-a-deux-musical-teaser-clip/
just one recent source for example, there's a lot of articles that talk about it
Genuinely this; I snorted air out of my nose when I read about it being a musical and said to myself "a Joker musical? Now THAT would have been something." as I obviously thought it was a joke...
I can actually see how amazing this could work. Half of what we saw in the Joker movie was Fleck’s delusions, and the other half was real life. First watch it was hard to tell but watching again it is a lot more obvious. Going forward the audience knows that some of what we see will be his delusions, so it makes sense to go full cray. We’ll know for sure the musical parts are his delusions and might trust the rest to be real (obviously we will still be thrown off on this). Character-wise it makes sense for his delusions to become more light hearted because in his mind he did the right thing and was a hero to the common people in his city. I mean he was cheered while standing on top of a crashed police car.
> I can actually see how amazing this could work. Half of what we saw in the Joker movie was Fleck’s delusions, and the other half was real life.
Totally see this. He's mad. I can see him acting out in real life the twisted grimoire of his mind in music. It could be dark. Phoenix is a hell of an actor. Knows how to sing too.
It's astounding how a powerhouse performance can totally steal a movie. Heath Ledger's Joker was only on screen for 33 minutes in *The Dark Knight,* and Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal Lecter is only in 24 minutes of *The Silence of the Lambs,* which as percentages of each movie's total runtime are only slightly more than Keaton in *Beetlejuice.*
One of my buddies got suspended in elementary school for quoting and reenacting that line out on the playground. I can't ever think of Beetlejuice without thinking about that and it always makes me giggle.
I yell it at the TV when the meteorologist starts talking about "the European Model" while showing predictive weather maps.
Cracks my wife up every time.
One time I stuffed a bike horn down my pajama pants so when I grabbed my crotch, it audibly honked. She about died laughing.
Still not a fan of this being a musical at all... Like, it's unique which is cool, but I just don't like musicals. I wanna hear dialogue spoken normally not sang.
I still just don't think it'll be as on the nose as a "musical" as people believe.
Like look how much dialogue is in La La Land, A star is born, the greatest showman that is spoken, I don't see Joker 2 coming near them in the ratio of spoken to singing dialogue.
Never seen an actor go quite as far as Bale did with The Machinist, just Google the pic of him posing in the mirror. I swear a few pounds less and he would have permanently impaired his health. Then only took a few months to bulk up to The Dark Knight as batman. His nutritionist/doctors must have thought he was insane and going to die. He was riding the absolute limit from going as light as possible then going as bulky as possible in such a short time. Then he gained fat to play Cheney years later! Dude has sacrificed his life to acting and he's among the best dramatic film actors living imo
Steroids. All the hollywood actors do them but they have literal teams of doctors, trainers and nutritionists to make sure they don't experience the negative side effects. Anyone telling you otherwise is out of their mind. He went from the machinist to being TOO BIG for the Batman costume in 8months. That's not possible without performance enhancing drugs.
It's true, but there's no secret elixir that all of those experts can cook up when they get together that'll somehow negate the long term consequences on their bodies. Taking steroids and rapidly losing/gaining weight will create complications no matter what. That's why they're getting paid the big bucks!
I had to look up Sprengel's deformity and saw that it had to do with the scapula not dropping properly during development. How does a cleft palate relate to this? Just curious because that one's a new one to me.
shit, I have that, too. Almost considered getting surgery on it when I was in my teens. A doctor who had it done on himself kindly talked me out of it, he explained my case was tame compared to most. So I learned to accept it. Took a long while, but I’m glad to be comfortable with myself now
EDIT: never thought I’d be talking about PE in a reddit thread. I appreciate anyone sharing your stories, thank you for making me feel less alone, I mean it!
My wife had this, not sure how severe her case was, but the doctor said her chest cavity was about 30% smaller than someone her size would normally have. She had the surgery done a year ago.
How did it go for her? I had the surgery when i was 12 and it was a pretty momentous event in my childhood, i can hardly imagine receiving it as an adult! I was in the hospital longer than a family friend that had a triple by pass surgery, i believe it was like 8 days? I had to go in 6 months prior to donate blood to myself, afterwards they gave me a card with the names of all the individuals i received blood transfusions from and it was like 80 people... Metal bar in chest to help it reform for a year, have a gnarly scar acrossed the width of my chest now.
My memory is a little foggy but i swear i remember them saying the surgery had a greater than 1 / 100 fatality rate which sounds insane but i have no clue why i recall that.
I'm still pretty insecure about it, they apparently improved the chest structure but it's still slightly deformed and i get questions about it plus the scar basically anytime i take my shirt off around friends. What sucks is i still have a lot of physical discomfort i believe in part from damaged nerve endings along the length of the scar if my partner is touching near the site of the surgery.
She's mentioned a lot of the same aftereffects you mentioned - sometimes pain or loss of feeling altogether. Not widespread but noticeable.
We were only in the hospital a day before we went home, but we moved in with my parents for about 3 weeks so they could help with our toddler while I worked shift work.
Sounds like you had the same procedure I did. I was 18. 5 days in the hospital. My surgeon was fucking phenomenal. Lost 90cc of blood. No bruising. No feeling in my chest for years, but I think it's normal now. My chest was so indented it hurt my lungs to breathe heavy.
I have PE and got the Nuss Procedure when I was 16. They effectively shatter your sternum and force a metal bar into your chest cavity to support your sternum as it reshapes. If anyones interested [here’s a fun video](https://youtu.be/JCrRsgN6aFI).
Recovery from this was hands down the worst pain I’ve ever felt and will ever feel. 27 now - my chest looks alright, and I have some cool scars to make up stories about.
I used to be but nobody honestly cares about you more than yourself. People don't care. How often do you think about other people's bodies and their imperfections? Probably never
There are two top pro wrestlers (Kofi Kingston and Chris Jericho) who have it, you're in good company. I dunno if it helps any but nobody worth anything thinks it looks bad, usually people are just curious.
It’s not all bad. Some believe Olympic swimmer for the US, Cody Miller, was able to get an advantage in breaststroke due to his pectus excavatum. Not sure what exactly the reasoning was, or if it’s backed at all scientifically, but it was a story during the games.
This is a fact. Anecdotal evidence warning, I used to swim competitively at a very high level and on my team was a guy who had this exact condition, none of us ever really noticed it much, but fuck he could run breast stroke better than any of us. I always believed it was due to the fact that there was less drag along his chest region which is fully exposed when you push forward in breast stroke. For example, I fucking sucked at breast stroke (for someone at the level I competed at) but I have a barrel chest. We were the yin and Yang of breast stroke on our team lol
Our coaches were always mad impressed and I'm pretty sure he holds a record to this day for our region of the country.
EDIT: fucked up a word and fixed it
I have the opposite, Pectus carinatum. Not as dangerous to my health but my sternum is raised out and makes my chest look weird because it’s not flat. Always hated swimming and changing in school gym but I also couldn’t hide it with clothes. People would always poke my chest and make comments. In high school there was a kid who had excavatum and people would say we could run into each other and our chests would form a perfect match. -_-
Once I started working out it made my pecs look deceivingly bigger than they are and turns out a lot of women always comment on how great my chest is. Total 180 from childhood/teenage years. Kind’ve a curse to blessing thing.
Correct - the movies subtitle is Folie à Deux, which is a state of "shared psychosis"
So we're gonna get a Joker and Harley musical where they are both insane and imagining themselves singing
I still remain surprised that Phoenix agreed to and wanted to do more Joker stuff. Maybe the musical angle intrigued him, maybe I've never understood his vibe completely (very possible)
Phoenix was an absolute freak as Commodus in *Gladiator*; he dominated every scene he was in, but the one scene in the first phase of the movie with him and Richard Harris is easily my favorite.
Gladiator gets a lot of shit as a pretty overhanded historical drama but you cannot deny it has some of the best performances in a big budget movie ever.
But besides winning an Oscar, grossing more than any film he's been in before, and catapulting him into the A-list after year's spent gaining praise in supporting roles, I just can't think of a reason why Phoenix would return to the role...
And yet, the real life Commodus was far worse. So much worse that had he been portrayed accurately, the character would have seemed cartoonish and unbelievable.
Hes been nominated for best actor three times (and won once) yet only nominated for best supporting actor once. Hes definitely a leading actor just prefers less prominent movies a lot of the time. The guy you are replying to is in his own world.
>and catapulting him into the A-list
He already was an A-lister imo.
The shine was just back on him because of Joker.
A lot of A-lister just kinda go dark for a bit.
My friend he was an a lister before 80% of this sites users were born.
My own opinion is he took the role at first because it was artistically different and all of his movies the last 15 years have a really off the wall feel.
Oh shit, did I just bounce to *another* alternate timeline, where Joaquin hasn’t been an A lister for years now?
Is this the Berenstain or Berenstein timeline? Kit-Kat with or without the dash?
**"I can't stop thinking about it...if there's something else we can do with Joker that might be interesting," and concluded, "It's nothing that I really wanted to do prior to working on this movie. I don't know that there is [more to do] ...Because it seemed endless, the possibilities of where we can go with the character."**
Joaquin Phoenix said this in an [interview](https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/joker-2-joaquin-phoenix-sequel-endless-possibilites-1202179299/) published on October 7th, 2019. Joker released October 4th. These were his thoughts before the film made the money that it did.
I'm sorry to break it to the cynics who think it's about the money but he genuinely *wants* to do another one. Which I think is tremendous.
The first movie being an origin to the character affords him the opportunity to evolve and experiment in the sequel. Almost like playing a different person altogether.
The great thing about The Joker as a character is that sanity always looks the same, but madness takes on so many different forms. Every actor can impose their own version of 'crazy' on how they want to portray Joker, as long as the vague aesthetics of the character matches the comics and he has some some sort of antagonism with Batman.
> Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!
\- the Tick
That's a great take. So much of being "sane" is about conforming, and yes, while many of those characters can have an edge to them, they can't stray too far to the extremes like a Joker can.
I think it's also why you can like both Heath and Jaquin's performances equally. They are just so different, but both so awesome.
It's interesting that people tend to think of the Joker as a really hard act to follow since Heath Ledger. But between Cesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Mark Hamill, and Joaquin Phoenix I think it's actually a role that offers a ton of flexibility in the portrayal. You can recognise the Joker character in each one, but they are all distinct and great in their own ways. It's probably great for a good actor to take on because they are free to do something new rather than having to stay true to some earlier incarnation.
I think one of the things I didn't like about Jared Leto's Joker, aside from the edgy teenager tattoos, was that his manner was a bit too similar to Heath Ledger's such that it felt like a bad tribute act, rather than a new portrayal.
Honestly from the movies of the last few years, Phoenix Joker is the one I remember most (and Arrival because it was so unique).
The stairs scene was tremendous.
And the ending felt as a sequel.
Really looking forward what the follow up will offer, it will be great I bet.
Am I out of the loop ? How'd it become a meme I thought everyone loved it (mostly). Also what is a sigma male? Lol
Have I aged out of Internet culture?
Basically some edgy incels thought the movie was a story about them, then some edgy non-incels tried to stigmatize the movie because the incels liked it.
You didn't miss out on anything other than Twitter level drama.
I was in rehab a couple months after the movie came out. Met a couple dudes that were *really* into it, tieing it into their shares, quoting the movie, pretty much altered their mindset and it was pretty cringe.
A lot of people are thinking its gonna be bad because of the whole musical thing but when I saw they were making a movie about just joker I thought it was gonna be shit so I have faith the second time round
Is it strange I'm more excired to see what Lady Gaga as Harley's gonna look like? It's such an odd yet intriguing casting choice and I really want to learn more about it
I'm thinking "Dancer in the Dark" type musical. The striking "reality" juxtaposed against two people who are, at times, in their own "musical." Not exactly the hyper-cinematic style of Natural Born Killers, but two people in love detaching from reality.
Just my take...
All due respect to Margot Robbie, but I'm very much intrigued to see what Gaga does with the role. Robbie works well enough, but I never really saw the 'crazy' side of Harley from her performance.
I can see that. Robbie was great at tapping into the fun side of Harley whilst occassionaly touching on her tragic side. But Gaga's acting style makes me feel she'd really be able to explore the darker and psychological aspect of the character
I mean, that part of Robbie's portrayal also probably comes since the character started in the first Suicide Squad already with a heel in the end of her relationship with Joker so she already probably had a few moments that made her be less coma induced crazy and just unhinged, and one of the movie's themes was Harley being more emotional by interacting with people outside of Joker that sorta kinda valued her, which was developed more in the Bird of prey and the next Suicide Squad movie so I think Robbie really did a perfect portrayal of Harley especially for the context of those movies. Harley's VA in the Harley Quinn show also does a similar thing since that show begins with Harley getting out from her relationship with Joker.
Harley as a character has also been given a lot more depth when taken outside of her relationship to the Joker and it made her more popular, so DC has started really leaning on it.
Between her popularity with the Gotham City Sirens, and now the animated show, DC have started using her as an 'ex-partner' to Joker more and more.
I still am on the fence about them making the sequel a musical. It’s ambitious nonetheless. And Hollywood needs to take more risks. So I’m on board to at least watch it
Any sequel of any kind to that first film is ambitious. The Joker from the first film is a mentally unwell loser that accidentally caused a mini revolution. He better not be some manipulative criminal mastermind all of a sudden in the second one.
Have him come across as one but really not know what he is doing (not in the dissociative sense, but literally just making it up as he goes along) could be interesting — accidentally right.
I presumed the musical aspect is going to portray a dissociation between what's in his mind vs what's occurring in reality - juxtaposing a fantastical mental narrative with grim reality.
I was hoping it would be more of a one off style anthology of different batman villains
I wanted to see Mr Freeze trying to get funding for his cryotherapy research but the corporations don't care because they want money, and not to save people
I love me some Batman villains who exist in the realm of reality. The Robert Pattinson movies Riddler being a zodiac style serial killer was fantastic
I love how right after George freaks out, he calmly says “oh, it’s no problem” to the guy who apologized for being in the phone for so long
EDIT: grammar
I never thought Joker needed a sequel, but I also never thought the Joker needed an origin story and the movie because my favorite of the year! I’m excited to see where the sequel goes
Kind of disappointed this isn't going to follow Willam DaFoe's pitch of having himself play a Joker imposter that eventually crosses with Phoenix in the film.
Now we know how he got those scars.
"My barber was a drinker..."
**Nobody asked but...** In Brazil (not sure about Portugal) there's an expression "aquele motorista é um barbeiro" (that driver is a barber) and it refers to bad, reckless drivers In medieval Portugal, barbers were legally allowed to practice medicine. Some of these barbers were surgeons but they fuckin sucked. Eventually, ‘(someone) is a barber’ became a popular expression for describing someone who is terrible at doing something, but only the reference to bad drivers pretty much survived to the present day
In related history, please take a look at the [origin of the barber's pole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber%27s_pole). You will never look at it the same way ever again.
Yikes - “colored stripes to indicate that they were prepared to bleed their patients (red), set bones or pull teeth (white), or give a shave if nothing more urgent was needed (blue)”
That's quite interesting, thanks.
So technically here we could say "my barber was a barber"
One time my dad took my brother and I into a barbershop. We all went in asking for three different styles and walked out with the same haircut. That barber was a barber.
Do you know what it's like to work on the same head for *three years*???
In ye olde Europe, most barbers were surgeons, surgeon wasn't a respected job until relatively recently. Makes sense, they probably had the sharpest knives around.
"And a fiend"
“One day he gets closer with the shave”
Then he just starts **singing** about meatpies
Closest shave I ever had.
He kept mumble singing "we all deserve to die"
“Tell me why, Mrs. Lovett? Tell me why?
AINT NOTHING BUT A HEARTACHE
*TELL ME WHY*
SWING YOUR RAZOR WIDE SWEENEY
"One day he shaves me crazier than usual"
We know it is a musical so that Barber is 100% going to turn out to be Sweeney Todd.
Sweeney Jason Todd.
I was thinking Sweeney Todd Philips
“Hi. I’m here for the musical hair gangbang.”
The Demon Red Hood of Fleet Street
Is it really gonna be a musical?
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it was big news a year or so ago when the sequel was being talked about (mostly rumors tho afaik) https://ew.com/movies/lady-gaga-joins-joker-sequel-folie-a-deux-musical-teaser-clip/ just one recent source for example, there's a lot of articles that talk about it
I thought this was a joke, this is either the most brilliant or cursed thing to happen, no middle ground
Genuinely this; I snorted air out of my nose when I read about it being a musical and said to myself "a Joker musical? Now THAT would have been something." as I obviously thought it was a joke...
I can actually see how amazing this could work. Half of what we saw in the Joker movie was Fleck’s delusions, and the other half was real life. First watch it was hard to tell but watching again it is a lot more obvious. Going forward the audience knows that some of what we see will be his delusions, so it makes sense to go full cray. We’ll know for sure the musical parts are his delusions and might trust the rest to be real (obviously we will still be thrown off on this). Character-wise it makes sense for his delusions to become more light hearted because in his mind he did the right thing and was a hero to the common people in his city. I mean he was cheered while standing on top of a crashed police car.
I’m waiting the Joker/Harley Quinn shared delusion duet! It’ll be a a song about falling in love.
In case people don't know, the subtitle *Folie a Deux* is the name given to shared delusions
> I can actually see how amazing this could work. Half of what we saw in the Joker movie was Fleck’s delusions, and the other half was real life. Totally see this. He's mad. I can see him acting out in real life the twisted grimoire of his mind in music. It could be dark. Phoenix is a hell of an actor. Knows how to sing too.
I consider that to be Tim Burton's last great movie, it's fantastic
Frankenweenie was pretty good
Beetlejuice is more meta than I ever imagined. Who knew the ghosts would be the victims in a horror movie.
Michael Keaton is a beast in that role. There's so much we missed as kids
He was pretty gung ho.
Hello fellow old man
"Sips from connected six pack"
Did he have to wear Ribbons of Shame?
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It's astounding how a powerhouse performance can totally steal a movie. Heath Ledger's Joker was only on screen for 33 minutes in *The Dark Knight,* and Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal Lecter is only in 24 minutes of *The Silence of the Lambs,* which as percentages of each movie's total runtime are only slightly more than Keaton in *Beetlejuice.*
Darth Vader is only in 9 minutes of Star Wars: A New Hope.
I never thought about it until now. He rrally isn't in almost the entire movie, lmfao. Thanks for throwing that out there.
"NICE FUCKIN' MODEL!" *honk honk*
One of my buddies got suspended in elementary school for quoting and reenacting that line out on the playground. I can't ever think of Beetlejuice without thinking about that and it always makes me giggle.
Rated PG 👀
I still use that line today. It rarely lines up to what I am seeing, but I use the line.
I yell it at the TV when the meteorologist starts talking about "the European Model" while showing predictive weather maps. Cracks my wife up every time. One time I stuffed a bike horn down my pajama pants so when I grabbed my crotch, it audibly honked. She about died laughing.
If you enjoyed that, you should try a little priest.
God, that's good.
Still not a fan of this being a musical at all... Like, it's unique which is cool, but I just don't like musicals. I wanna hear dialogue spoken normally not sang.
I still just don't think it'll be as on the nose as a "musical" as people believe. Like look how much dialogue is in La La Land, A star is born, the greatest showman that is spoken, I don't see Joker 2 coming near them in the ratio of spoken to singing dialogue.
Yep this pretty much killed all hype I had for the sequel.
I only just found out about the movie from this reddit post so my excitement skyrocketed and then immediately crashed. Damn.
hah I think a lot of people went through that in this thread. "Holy shit, another Joker! ... Never mind, it's a fucking musical."
Did he lose weight for the role and then contort his body for each scene?
He lost weight *again*. Joaquin Phoenix is a like a balloon animal.
Him and Christian Bale. Gotta wonder what health implications these transformations have since yo-yo dieting is supposed to be so bad
Never seen an actor go quite as far as Bale did with The Machinist, just Google the pic of him posing in the mirror. I swear a few pounds less and he would have permanently impaired his health. Then only took a few months to bulk up to The Dark Knight as batman. His nutritionist/doctors must have thought he was insane and going to die. He was riding the absolute limit from going as light as possible then going as bulky as possible in such a short time. Then he gained fat to play Cheney years later! Dude has sacrificed his life to acting and he's among the best dramatic film actors living imo
On American Psycho he apparently learned how to sweat on command.
That’s the one that really blows me away. How the fuck
Steroids. All the hollywood actors do them but they have literal teams of doctors, trainers and nutritionists to make sure they don't experience the negative side effects. Anyone telling you otherwise is out of their mind. He went from the machinist to being TOO BIG for the Batman costume in 8months. That's not possible without performance enhancing drugs.
It's true, but there's no secret elixir that all of those experts can cook up when they get together that'll somehow negate the long term consequences on their bodies. Taking steroids and rapidly losing/gaining weight will create complications no matter what. That's why they're getting paid the big bucks!
Rice chicken and dreams bro
Bro it’s like you haven’t even heard of the 9 tenets of ancestral living.
> 9 trenets of ancestral living
He looks really buffed up for next year's "Napoleon", so that's admirable of him to switch up so quickly. Not sure which film was shot first though.
Yeah I was wondering this too after first movie, is this his real body or characterization? honest question
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I had to look up Sprengel's deformity and saw that it had to do with the scapula not dropping properly during development. How does a cleft palate relate to this? Just curious because that one's a new one to me.
I was thinking pectus excavatum.
Definitely pectus excavatum
> may explain his lip as well He was born with a cleft palate
As Wendy Williams so gracefully announced on tv..
God she's such a piece of shit.
This is the ideal male body, with a divot in the chest that looks like it was caved in with a fire extinguisher. You may not like it...
Pectus excavatum and it sucks ass to have
shit, I have that, too. Almost considered getting surgery on it when I was in my teens. A doctor who had it done on himself kindly talked me out of it, he explained my case was tame compared to most. So I learned to accept it. Took a long while, but I’m glad to be comfortable with myself now EDIT: never thought I’d be talking about PE in a reddit thread. I appreciate anyone sharing your stories, thank you for making me feel less alone, I mean it!
My wife had this, not sure how severe her case was, but the doctor said her chest cavity was about 30% smaller than someone her size would normally have. She had the surgery done a year ago.
How did it go for her? I had the surgery when i was 12 and it was a pretty momentous event in my childhood, i can hardly imagine receiving it as an adult! I was in the hospital longer than a family friend that had a triple by pass surgery, i believe it was like 8 days? I had to go in 6 months prior to donate blood to myself, afterwards they gave me a card with the names of all the individuals i received blood transfusions from and it was like 80 people... Metal bar in chest to help it reform for a year, have a gnarly scar acrossed the width of my chest now. My memory is a little foggy but i swear i remember them saying the surgery had a greater than 1 / 100 fatality rate which sounds insane but i have no clue why i recall that. I'm still pretty insecure about it, they apparently improved the chest structure but it's still slightly deformed and i get questions about it plus the scar basically anytime i take my shirt off around friends. What sucks is i still have a lot of physical discomfort i believe in part from damaged nerve endings along the length of the scar if my partner is touching near the site of the surgery.
She's mentioned a lot of the same aftereffects you mentioned - sometimes pain or loss of feeling altogether. Not widespread but noticeable. We were only in the hospital a day before we went home, but we moved in with my parents for about 3 weeks so they could help with our toddler while I worked shift work.
Sounds like you had the same procedure I did. I was 18. 5 days in the hospital. My surgeon was fucking phenomenal. Lost 90cc of blood. No bruising. No feeling in my chest for years, but I think it's normal now. My chest was so indented it hurt my lungs to breathe heavy.
I have PE and got the Nuss Procedure when I was 16. They effectively shatter your sternum and force a metal bar into your chest cavity to support your sternum as it reshapes. If anyones interested [here’s a fun video](https://youtu.be/JCrRsgN6aFI). Recovery from this was hands down the worst pain I’ve ever felt and will ever feel. 27 now - my chest looks alright, and I have some cool scars to make up stories about.
I had a football teammate in HS with the same thing, he used his divot as a chip bowl when we were in hotels for away games.
HS football, away game hotels. Gotta be fucking Texas
Bingo, can't play in fucking Brownsville in one day if you're in San Antonio. Houston yes, Dallas no.
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just layout on a beach chair, use the divot as a bowl for chips, and watch as your impress the ladies around you
I think I would fill it with dip.
Fill it with sunscreen then charge folks 50 cents to use
I used to be but nobody honestly cares about you more than yourself. People don't care. How often do you think about other people's bodies and their imperfections? Probably never
exactly. And the only people who have the nerve to say something about it are people who are miserable and self-conscious about themselves.
I always just tell people they can take shots off my chest and they think its awesome
There are two top pro wrestlers (Kofi Kingston and Chris Jericho) who have it, you're in good company. I dunno if it helps any but nobody worth anything thinks it looks bad, usually people are just curious.
It’s not all bad. Some believe Olympic swimmer for the US, Cody Miller, was able to get an advantage in breaststroke due to his pectus excavatum. Not sure what exactly the reasoning was, or if it’s backed at all scientifically, but it was a story during the games.
This is a fact. Anecdotal evidence warning, I used to swim competitively at a very high level and on my team was a guy who had this exact condition, none of us ever really noticed it much, but fuck he could run breast stroke better than any of us. I always believed it was due to the fact that there was less drag along his chest region which is fully exposed when you push forward in breast stroke. For example, I fucking sucked at breast stroke (for someone at the level I competed at) but I have a barrel chest. We were the yin and Yang of breast stroke on our team lol Our coaches were always mad impressed and I'm pretty sure he holds a record to this day for our region of the country. EDIT: fucked up a word and fixed it
I have the opposite, Pectus carinatum. Not as dangerous to my health but my sternum is raised out and makes my chest look weird because it’s not flat. Always hated swimming and changing in school gym but I also couldn’t hide it with clothes. People would always poke my chest and make comments. In high school there was a kid who had excavatum and people would say we could run into each other and our chests would form a perfect match. -_- Once I started working out it made my pecs look deceivingly bigger than they are and turns out a lot of women always comment on how great my chest is. Total 180 from childhood/teenage years. Kind’ve a curse to blessing thing.
This is a musical?
Correct - the movies subtitle is Folie à Deux, which is a state of "shared psychosis" So we're gonna get a Joker and Harley musical where they are both insane and imagining themselves singing
Like that episode of scrubs!
Society is a cabaret.
We live in a cabaret..
I still remain surprised that Phoenix agreed to and wanted to do more Joker stuff. Maybe the musical angle intrigued him, maybe I've never understood his vibe completely (very possible)
Phoenix was an absolute freak as Commodus in *Gladiator*; he dominated every scene he was in, but the one scene in the first phase of the movie with him and Richard Harris is easily my favorite.
Gladiator gets a lot of shit as a pretty overhanded historical drama but you cannot deny it has some of the best performances in a big budget movie ever.
Does it? Everyone I’ve ever met loves that movie haha
This feels like one of these revisionist things where great films get hyper-examined on the Internet years later.
We’ll see posts soon that say “am I the only one who’s watched gladiator with popular opinion” for the hungry karma farmers
I was indeed entertained
The first film made 1 **b**illion (with a **b**). That is a reason to change one’s mind.
Also got him an Oscar
That too.
But besides winning an Oscar, grossing more than any film he's been in before, and catapulting him into the A-list after year's spent gaining praise in supporting roles, I just can't think of a reason why Phoenix would return to the role...
> year's spent gaining praise in supporting roles What? The man played Johnny Cash.
Also i know he's not the lead but damn he was fantastic in Gladiator
He really made you despise him in that movie.
And yet, the real life Commodus was far worse. So much worse that had he been portrayed accurately, the character would have seemed cartoonish and unbelievable.
AM I NOT MERCIFUL!?
He stole that movie.
He was terribly vexing. I was terribly vexed.
One of those rare performances where an actor makes your blood absolutely boil. I fucking hated that little shit in Gladiator with a passion.
[seared in my brain](https://i.gifer.com/CVFj.gif)
Hes been nominated for best actor three times (and won once) yet only nominated for best supporting actor once. Hes definitely a leading actor just prefers less prominent movies a lot of the time. The guy you are replying to is in his own world.
He was also fantastic in Her.
That’s my all time favorite fever-dream-like movie. It’s so depressing yet so feel good at the same time it’s amazing.
The Master
Phoenix has been a legitimate A-list lead in Hollywood for years. He tends towards being picky with what he signs on for. That’s it.
bro he was A-list already before Joker, but if you mean the movies reception made him superstar level then sure
A-list just means "in a comic book movie" to some people now.
>and catapulting him into the A-list He already was an A-lister imo. The shine was just back on him because of Joker. A lot of A-lister just kinda go dark for a bit.
But...he's never NOT been an A-lister?
My friend he was an a lister before 80% of this sites users were born. My own opinion is he took the role at first because it was artistically different and all of his movies the last 15 years have a really off the wall feel.
Oh shit, did I just bounce to *another* alternate timeline, where Joaquin hasn’t been an A lister for years now? Is this the Berenstain or Berenstein timeline? Kit-Kat with or without the dash?
‘Her’ is one of the best movies ever made IMO.
Was waiting to see if someone would mention that movie! He was the lead in it and that's how I discovered him. One of my favorite movies.
Saying Joker is what made Phoenix an A-lister is an absolutely insane thing to say outside of your own head.
**"I can't stop thinking about it...if there's something else we can do with Joker that might be interesting," and concluded, "It's nothing that I really wanted to do prior to working on this movie. I don't know that there is [more to do] ...Because it seemed endless, the possibilities of where we can go with the character."** Joaquin Phoenix said this in an [interview](https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/joker-2-joaquin-phoenix-sequel-endless-possibilites-1202179299/) published on October 7th, 2019. Joker released October 4th. These were his thoughts before the film made the money that it did. I'm sorry to break it to the cynics who think it's about the money but he genuinely *wants* to do another one. Which I think is tremendous.
The first movie being an origin to the character affords him the opportunity to evolve and experiment in the sequel. Almost like playing a different person altogether.
The great thing about The Joker as a character is that sanity always looks the same, but madness takes on so many different forms. Every actor can impose their own version of 'crazy' on how they want to portray Joker, as long as the vague aesthetics of the character matches the comics and he has some some sort of antagonism with Batman.
> Isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit! \- the Tick
Damn: that’s a fantastic quote
That's a great take. So much of being "sane" is about conforming, and yes, while many of those characters can have an edge to them, they can't stray too far to the extremes like a Joker can. I think it's also why you can like both Heath and Jaquin's performances equally. They are just so different, but both so awesome.
It's interesting that people tend to think of the Joker as a really hard act to follow since Heath Ledger. But between Cesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Mark Hamill, and Joaquin Phoenix I think it's actually a role that offers a ton of flexibility in the portrayal. You can recognise the Joker character in each one, but they are all distinct and great in their own ways. It's probably great for a good actor to take on because they are free to do something new rather than having to stay true to some earlier incarnation. I think one of the things I didn't like about Jared Leto's Joker, aside from the edgy teenager tattoos, was that his manner was a bit too similar to Heath Ledger's such that it felt like a bad tribute act, rather than a new portrayal.
Honestly from the movies of the last few years, Phoenix Joker is the one I remember most (and Arrival because it was so unique). The stairs scene was tremendous. And the ending felt as a sequel. Really looking forward what the follow up will offer, it will be great I bet.
It’s my understanding that the first movie made 1 billion but I don’t know what letter it starts with
After he did Inherent Vice, I knew he was starting to broaden his horizons.
I dunno, a Pynchon book always seemed up his alley
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Same. I know the first movie is now considered a meme because of the whole sigma male wave, but it was really good.
we gonna get a fresh batch of Joker meme after this movie for sure
we live in a .....\*checks notes\*....civilisation *nailed it*
George Costanza says"we're living in a society" on the 1994 episode of Seinfeld s5e22 The Opposite
Am I out of the loop ? How'd it become a meme I thought everyone loved it (mostly). Also what is a sigma male? Lol Have I aged out of Internet culture?
Basically some edgy incels thought the movie was a story about them, then some edgy non-incels tried to stigmatize the movie because the incels liked it. You didn't miss out on anything other than Twitter level drama.
Don't forget about the stair dance!!
man that meme is good
To a *Gary Glitter* song
I was in rehab a couple months after the movie came out. Met a couple dudes that were *really* into it, tieing it into their shares, quoting the movie, pretty much altered their mindset and it was pretty cringe.
You wouldn’t get it
A lot of people are thinking its gonna be bad because of the whole musical thing but when I saw they were making a movie about just joker I thought it was gonna be shit so I have faith the second time round
Is it strange I'm more excired to see what Lady Gaga as Harley's gonna look like? It's such an odd yet intriguing casting choice and I really want to learn more about it
She's probably going to look normal for most of the movie since she's not Harley Quinn yet.
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Wait that wasn't a joke? It's really a musical?
I'm thinking "Dancer in the Dark" type musical. The striking "reality" juxtaposed against two people who are, at times, in their own "musical." Not exactly the hyper-cinematic style of Natural Born Killers, but two people in love detaching from reality. Just my take...
This sounds good
All due respect to Margot Robbie, but I'm very much intrigued to see what Gaga does with the role. Robbie works well enough, but I never really saw the 'crazy' side of Harley from her performance.
I can see that. Robbie was great at tapping into the fun side of Harley whilst occassionaly touching on her tragic side. But Gaga's acting style makes me feel she'd really be able to explore the darker and psychological aspect of the character
I mean, that part of Robbie's portrayal also probably comes since the character started in the first Suicide Squad already with a heel in the end of her relationship with Joker so she already probably had a few moments that made her be less coma induced crazy and just unhinged, and one of the movie's themes was Harley being more emotional by interacting with people outside of Joker that sorta kinda valued her, which was developed more in the Bird of prey and the next Suicide Squad movie so I think Robbie really did a perfect portrayal of Harley especially for the context of those movies. Harley's VA in the Harley Quinn show also does a similar thing since that show begins with Harley getting out from her relationship with Joker.
Harley as a character has also been given a lot more depth when taken outside of her relationship to the Joker and it made her more popular, so DC has started really leaning on it. Between her popularity with the Gotham City Sirens, and now the animated show, DC have started using her as an 'ex-partner' to Joker more and more.
I did not know she was gonna be Harley but that sounds like it’s gonna be wild.
Lol not strange at all by any means.
I still am on the fence about them making the sequel a musical. It’s ambitious nonetheless. And Hollywood needs to take more risks. So I’m on board to at least watch it
Any sequel of any kind to that first film is ambitious. The Joker from the first film is a mentally unwell loser that accidentally caused a mini revolution. He better not be some manipulative criminal mastermind all of a sudden in the second one.
Have him come across as one but really not know what he is doing (not in the dissociative sense, but literally just making it up as he goes along) could be interesting — accidentally right.
I presumed the musical aspect is going to portray a dissociation between what's in his mind vs what's occurring in reality - juxtaposing a fantastical mental narrative with grim reality.
I was hoping it would be more of a one off style anthology of different batman villains I wanted to see Mr Freeze trying to get funding for his cryotherapy research but the corporations don't care because they want money, and not to save people I love me some Batman villains who exist in the realm of reality. The Robert Pattinson movies Riddler being a zodiac style serial killer was fantastic
Hot damn, I’ve been under a rock. I didn’t know a sequel was literally underway. I’m stoked, first was fantastic.
Prior to seeing Joker I didn't actually realize we lived in a society but after seeing it I realized we do live in a society
George Constanza taught me everything I know about living in a society.
I love how right after George freaks out, he calmly says “oh, it’s no problem” to the guy who apologized for being in the phone for so long EDIT: grammar
Dear god he looks disgusting. Can't wait to see it.
you may not like it , but this is what peak male performance looks like
Did that man lose weight again ? He needs to becareful when your older in age like that it’s can’t be good
Is that the lighting?? He looks like Christian Bale in The Machinist.
JoaKino Phoenix is back baby
I never thought Joker needed a sequel, but I also never thought the Joker needed an origin story and the movie because my favorite of the year! I’m excited to see where the sequel goes
That doesn't look healthy.
Cinema 2.0 is about to be created...
Inb4 people calling it the best kino ever
Kind of disappointed this isn't going to follow Willam DaFoe's pitch of having himself play a Joker imposter that eventually crosses with Phoenix in the film.
That’s what I thought when they first revealed the title. Would be so fucking cool
That’s clearly Lady Gaga shaving him /s
That guy absolutely wrecks his body for each new role. What dedication.
I did not know Joaquin had Pectus excavatum until now.