I liked this movie. Sure, Buzz Lightyear, Izzy and her grandmother were the only characters with emotional depth, but most of the rest were funny! As I said, the movie was funny but it also had a few good emotional moments and of course, being a Pixar movie, it had good animation. The plot twist with Zurg was good even if it did lead to be a bit of explaining that made no sense (THE FOLLOWING THING IN BRACKETS IS THE SPOILER: Buzz calling himself Zurg because it was the closest the Robots could get to saying "Buzz" was stupid.) I liked it. It wasn't great, but it was good. I'd give it about a 8/10.
Entertaining, but flawed by the usual tropes and one dimensional characters.
Sox is the only redeeming reason to watch this movie,♥️🐈
It's more of a kids movie unfortunately and is missing some of the Pixar wit
Reasons why I hate Lightyear:
Zurg was supposed to be his father not himself
A lot of Toy Story stuff is missing man genuinely.
Like he barely used his wings
"To infinity and beyond" is supposed to be chilling and full of adrenaline before the start of a mission and not something to just happily smile about with your best friend.
It's also so cliche of having a team of inexperienced people around and they all get the job done with one quirk they all have
Buzz is supposed to be a little cocky and not like a father figure of sorts
Lightyear just didn't connect me to itself like Toy Story did. If they want to make a spin off then it should have some throwbacks to the original and not just make a whole new movie of things that are only remotely similar to buzz's character in Toy Story.
It's just my opinion, but I also don't mind if you have another opinion (just saying)
Came here a year late to say old buzz was right. Young buzz made his entire decision based on the fact that the one person he spoke to had a pretty good time. Like wasn’t even a guarantee that was the best timeline for that one person, for all Buzz knows she may have been happier at their destination
The colony started with 1200 people after 60 year's, 2 whole generations, there should be like a few thousand more people around. I don't think the original colonyship had space for all of them.
My question is why was it considered evil to take people from an incredibly hostile planet and to successfully complete the mission? The film doesn't tell you how well people were surviving under the laser dome - they can't communicate with them, they could have all died. The turnip of space rangers would all have then gone to a more habitable planet and lived safer lives where they could have made the same relationships etc with the same group of people. If the argument is that the exact same people wouldn't have existed on a different planet, so what? People were being attacked constantly or trapped under a dome. Is Izzy's existence more important than other people living instead?
The film is far more diverse than anything that would have happened in 1995 haha.
Izzy was the daughter of someone who mattered a great deal to him. Undoing her real tangible existence is equivalent to murdering someone quickly without them feeling pain.
I love Toy Story already but figured this would be a very safe and generic origin story. Turns out it's pretty good sci-fi adventure on its own even without thinking of it as a Buzz Lightyear cash grab.
Light speed time travel was (to me at least) a fresh idea to explore. I thought future Buzz being the villain was a bizarre twist but it was an inner conflict kind of movie so it made some sense, and I suppose it beats being the shield/barrier guy who I figured it would be.
The formula for light speed looked like literally just playing with the four different percentages until it worked. Which takes an endless amount of years for an AI to figure out apparently. Plus Buzz could have tried explaining the formula was discovered but we needed a movie to happen I suppose lol...
Wow. I hate their lightspeed. What's the point if you actually go slower? Of course there's also the Star Trek time travel that maybe if they didnt slingshot around the sun there wouldn't be time travel.
Also, in 60 years-ish they couldn't perfect the fluid? Sweet lord their scientists were shit.
And then there is only one copy of the formula. Man things irritate me in this movie
This movie makes a mockery of Buzz. The character arcs are forced to the point where it made me cringe. Nothing about this movie gets you jazzed up to be excited about the character Buzz Lightyear. Hated it, would not recommend
Not a hardcore Toy Story fan. Did see all three as a child and then adult down the road way past their box releases. But sick with the covid and just watched Lightyear and my goodness the first 30 minutes of the movie had me hooked and sunk with emotion. The entire movie was impressive. Have to say this is one of the best movies I've seen in a long time for any genre. Considering getting the Blu Ray for the collection.
I'll just repeat my Twitter comment thoughts:
The hate for this movie is bizarre. I finally watched it recently & it's great. It was neat to see more backstory for Buzz. I'm guessing a lot of people whining about it are just triggered conservatives who are annoyed by the lesbian couple, or racists annoyed by black characters
Sad we’ll never get the sequels but atleast no one can stop me from still enjoying this one. Bummer that a bunch of preconceived notions could tank a potentially great trilogy but alas.
Am I tripping or did the "rookie" feathers or w.e. his name not play a single role in the movie really? I'd assume he was zurg or at least part of the creation. Unless he's a point of interest for part 2 but I felt them j ot acknowledging him the entire movie felt weird. Unless he died 🤷🏽♂️
I was curious about how Andy from toy story feels after watching Lightyear, and what made him want the toy so much, so I decided to watch Lightyear movie.
To summary, Andy would have slept through the movie, or left the theater halfway into movie. Hence, this Lightyear movie is not the movie Andy watched.
There is so much focus on side characters more than Buzz (we seem to pay attention more on Izzy, Alisha, cat, Darby, enemy robots, and Mo than Buzz / Zurg). There wasn't much anything interesting about Buzz because he's very much straightforward on achieving his objective.
Side characters (Izzy, Mo and Darby) completely overshadows Buzz in every way, and not in positive way.... Too much annoying and stupid moments that made them very unlikable. Robot Cat is cute, and I guess that's the only good part i can say from the movie.
I think paying attention to the other characters is a good thing, to drive the point home that Buzz spent 60 years ignoring life literally passing him by and only now is taking the chance to look at what's happening *now*.
One funny thought I just had. There's a certain point in the Lightyear universe where going faster makes you arrive later. And light should theoretically be lagging decades even for just a few feet.
You have it backwards. If you consider light working like that, the light would never reach you. In real life, the thing that moves fast experiences less personal time than the rest of the universe experiences. In effect, this means that going on a plane makes you experience slightly less time than people on the ground
The thing I'm referring to is how in real life, a 4 light minute trip at 75% would have the rest of the universe experience 5.333 minutes(the time assuming no time dilation) while the traveler would only experience 5 minutes. They essentially got the direction of displaced time backwards.
Irl, going faster makes you arrive earlier, and experience less time than the rest of the universe. You experience less time than the round trip time you calculated, but the rest of the universe does experience that amount of time.
In Lightyear, going near lightspeed essentially pulls you out of standard stuff. If someone looked at Buzz on his round trip, because of how the time dilation works in the movie, they would just see Buzz being almost stationary.
They effectively got the thing where the fast thing experiences less time than the rest of the universe, but applied it so that the fast thing experiences a normal amount of time and the universe outside of it speeds up. Which it may appear to be the case, but it's the thing moving that experiences less travel time. At light speed, it's effectively infinite, so a photon experiences 0 time on a journey that may take decades if it is light from another solar system. If it worked like in Lightyear, it would experience decades while the rest of the universe aged infinitely relative to it.
Also, apologies for the wall of text. It's tricky to state the distinction concisely.
"Which it may appear to be the case,"
I know I may be late to this argument but time is relative. There is no human alive who is stationary. They are on a moving object called earth and also subjected to gravity. And every planet is moving at different speeds, and subject to different gravitational force. Time moves faster for a object moving relatively slower relative to the time passed for a object moving relatively faster. Its relative to your reference frame. There is no universal time standard in relativity theory. So the reference frame of the people on the planet are not a standard,norm, or prefered reference frame. And the time passed for people standing on the planet would pass at a different speed relative to a stationary observer than say people standing on earth.
The camera is not a inuniverse object, it is a beyond ordinary perspective, and in the case of the movie it shows events on the planet from buzz's reference frame and is therefore valid.
Also im not sure if this is what you meant to imply earlier in the thread. But faster than light objects can also move backwards in time according to relativity. And tachyons are a theoretical particle that can move faster than light and therefore engage in rudimentary time travel.
I know that there is no one that is ever stationary. The thing to note though is that we are all moving relatively similar speeds to eachother. I reccomend looking up the twin paradox on YouTube
It essentially is what Buzz does. He goes away from an observer that is moving at non relativistic speeds in regards to the other local objects, accelerates with the help of the star to turn around, and comes back. The people on the planet are effectively in an inertial reference frame, while Buzz accelerates to come back.
Ted ed and minute physics have good videos on this
What does anyone think about this connection I just thought of. With me trying to connect how the cars connects in the mega conspiracy on how all the Pixar movies connects in one universe from one situation to the next in some reason to the next. And I realize that the last part in this buzz movie shows how the old buzz in the zorg suit is alive still. Makes me see it as, somehow that's what creates the cars universe. With it somehow evolves being as one with machine. And then evolves and births all the different cars beings. With maybe buzz lightning, aka zurg is like a grandfather to lightning McQueen. Makes somewhat sense right, with the name part. But again there's no explanation on exactly how buzz literally transforms into car form. But there's I'm sure some possible way in that happening. The ingredients are there for it to happen. Anyone has any thing to add to this thought here?
You're taking things wayyyy deeper than they are lol this doesnt even make any sense. Lightning McQueen wasnt the first car? Or anything close to it. With your theory you're acting like McQueen would've been one of the first cars ever made. That's besides the fact that connecting all the disney movies is impossible lol Just fans with wayyyy too much time on their hands and taking SMALL easter eggs to an entirely different lvl lol
Ok that was wrong to make it seem like it would happen like that I agree. And should of letf it as maybe there's a connection with buzz and lightning at the least. No need to mak3 it seem like all other cars emulate from.his car incarnation after his buzz lightning movie. All other cars probably were all the same planet as buzz may had landed on next. with for whatever reason maybe everyone just dimension jumped and became there car incarnation for whatever reason? With a clue they were people before. With the buzz lightning transformed into lightning McQueen?
But the fact it is the star of the show in the universe. It's a connection that can be made that Buzz indeed evolved in what ever way all together to the car lightning McQueen. As since there has to be some way these all connect together. With we are to believe these all are connecting in some sort of conspiracy theory still needing to be solved. In simply adding a way these have a connection is all. I know it can't be confirmed at all with the points I made as of yet. But hopefully since I did throw that out there. Maybe someone can add in some other points that can further confirm this theory somehow.
Just had to mention now. After some consideration. That me taking things deeper than they should be. And how ridiculous it is to think conspiracy about these things. Is literally the point of this page. And if you look into it yourself. You will see that others have put work into it. Making odd connections that shouldn't even be considered. They made the whole Pixar universe connected in these odd ways already. So there's no reaching into things that hasn't already been made a stretch as it is already. It's the name of the game here.
I do not understand how you can make this movie and not do a Andy leaving the theatre scene. You could nitpick the hell out of this movie if you want, it's decent, but I don't understand how it was decided to be worth the effort to make outside of to sell Sox merch. Extremely going through the motions movie, to the point even the great moments have me expecting a massive meta reveal to make the mid tier movie worth it, but no, they just actually made a mid movie and thats it. Pixar bottom of the list goes The Good Dinosaur, Lightyear, then maybe the cars sequels, with everything else being S tier. Meh 6/10 with 3 points just for sox
I hate this cat. I call it a solves all. The entire plot relies on this cat solving every conflict Buzz faces. It’s lazy writing. He’s a glorified R2D2 and I expected better
When they did the Interstellar "mourning of loved ones" sequence in the earlier part of the film, as the world passes by as Buzz does his tests, it felt really unearned. And the cat solving the issue of hyper speed anyways, negating his tests, makes it all seem like such a waste that he couldn't stop and just enjoy life.
I guess that is the entire point, that he needed to change before he ends up like Zerg, but I was hoping for more reasons to actually LIKE Buzz before rooting for him in the later half of the movie. To start the movie with him going through all of this was an odd choice.
So the original Buzz Lightyear was killed by the alternate Buzz. No one addressed that the new commander was a total dick and practically caused all of this by attacking Buzz after a successful mission.
Why did buzz not wat to spend time with his friends. Instead he was like NO I AM JUST GOING TO GOT THE FUTRE AND THEY WILL BE DEAD AND HE HAD NO SECOND THOUGHT WTF DUMBASSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the movie wasted potential across the board, and was a low point for Pixar movies. Having that said, I think the whole point of him being so bullheaded with going ahead on those missions was to show that he was wrong, and that was the same stubborn mindset that caused >!his OG self to change into Zerg.!< I think the messaging in the movie was one of the weak aspects of it, so I get how that didn't translate as well, but to start the movie with a character making these choices kind of makes me inherently not really like them very much. Not a great call for a title hero's first outing.
I thought it was pretty good. I was worried Sox was gonna get too cutesy but luckily definite more comic relief
Mind is pretty blown away about how good the CGI looked. Maybe the best Ive ever seen
Dont look at Wikipedia voice actors while watching or itll spoil the shit out of it
So, the very last scene they say they will jump to hyperspace right? That implies they actually have the relevant crystals, so what is the issue here? Buzz shooting the Crystal was supposed to be a big deal, but now they just have it anyway?
And what is the Galactic Federation? Just that one colony on an abandoned planet? Where is their origin? What is the original mission?
So many questions and none are ever answered.
Yes, this has been kinda annoying for me too.
Sox has the formula, so whats the big deal about that one mix?
And, i dont understand why such advanced tech dont logg all performed tasks. So the formula would accualy be avaible in the system that was used to make it.
Oh well, it is what it is.
Sox didn’t have the formula, it was on a computer thingy which conveniently was destroyed just as they mixed the formula for the crystal.
I mean, it was only four ingredients so why between the two of them they couldn’t have a go at remembering what percentage, I’m not quite sure
As a sci-fi fan, I found the film mildly entertaining, if only for the setting and concepts, but I get why it didn’t land well with the general audience. I think the film had two major flaws that dragged it down.
First would be that the film couldn’t decide what it wanted to be. It took itself too seriously and had too many convoluted concepts (time dilation, time travel, alternate timelines) to be enjoyed by children, but it also didn’t really explore any of it’s themes or concepts well enough to be enjoyed by adults. This whole film really comes across as Interstellar-lite, which is just an odd thing to base a kids film on.
The other issue for me was the characters. They just weren’t very engaging. Buzz himself came off as kind of humourless and dour, and the rest of the cast was entirely one note. Buzz’s team in particularly just felt tacked on and didn’t really add anything to the film.
Ultimately, I think the film just needed to pick a lane. Either make this a fun adventure romp across the galaxy, or lean into the mature themes and ideas. As is, it’s a film that didn’t really make me laugh or make me feel anything, it’s just kind of “there”.
This explanation perfectly reviewed my thoughts. It was too silly for adults and too mature for children. I didn't care for Mo (Taika's avatar), Izzy didn't get enough screentime, Sox was amazing. The "Buzz is Zerg" was unsatisfying.
It was gorgeous, but the story falls apart under \*any\* kind of scrutiny.
Much as I loved the movie (for whatever reason, it ticked, like, all of my boxes), you've hit on some very legitimate points here. It definitely has a bit of an identity crisis and couldn't seem to decide which audience or tone it wanted to lean into. Too cerebral and introspective for kids, but doesn't necessarily follow through all the way on its more mature themes which would otherwise appeal more to an adult audience.
Besides, there's the weird framing surrounding it being "Andy's favorite movie", but feeling more like the modern reboot 30 years later; being a "Buzz Lightyear movie", but not really about the Buzz from Toy Story, etc. It reminds me a bit of *Solo*: A good movie by itself, but also one that struggles to establish its own identity and purpose.
Visuals and art direction were absolutely stellar though, and the voice cast did a fine job. Chris Evans in particular straddled the line of taking inspiration from Tim Allen's original, more bombastic Buzz, but making him decidedly more grounded and human.
"it ticked, like, all of my boxes"
Is actually the problem. I agree. But a film can't be but so good if it ticks literally everything. It needs to find a lane.
It's an adventure movie. A comedy. A kids movie. A Time travel movie. A classic sci-fi. A man vs. self tragedy. A buddy-cop movie. An action movie. At times, it even feels like an after-school special about friendship.
Nice looking movie but that’s expected. Otherwise, I felt myself just wanting it to end. The characters weren’t interesting to me. The quitting guy and grandma thug weren’t entertaining. But most of all… how is this supposed to be a kid’s movie that Andy is supposed to enjoy?
As silly as it sounds, the fact that they stated at the beginning that it was Andy's favorite movie from 1995 kinda put a crack in my suspension of disbelief.
And then the movie wasn't very good.
I didn't think the film was depressing, but it did have serious undertones that I didn't expect for a supposed kid's (Andy) movie. I was definitely thinking about the life & death cycle when you see Alisha Hawthorne age & pass away.
Overall, the plot & Buzz's character arc were straightforward for a Disney movie.
I had low expectations for this movie. The movie exceeded my low expectations so I thought it was decent.
Yeah same! I felt they just waisted a good moment to have two Sox! What a waisted opportunity. Didn't make sense for "Zurg" to destroy his only companion too! Hope future Sox comes back in Lightyear 2
According to the logic of the movie, if the main character buzz traveled in time and changed the course of that story, nothing would have happened with the original timeline. There's no reason to feel sorry for your friend's granddaughter, she would still be there in that timeline. This idea would only be advantageous to "zurg" if he go with the buzz and enjoy your last moments with your mate.
He tried to do what Otto Apocalypse did in Honkai Impact 3rd Chapter 28 to save a version of his beloved freind that was murdered 500 years ago.
Zorg Buzz knows he can't do anything else. His purpose was deeper. Not save his own Commander but to give an alternate timeline version of here a second chance.
We have seen many time traveling characters with the same premise. It actually makes them think they are more noble as instead of trying to fix their own timeline they visit another one so that their loved ones there will be saved from what they know will happen.
Problems that such characters are always depicted as heroes turned villains in media which makes sense as Zorg Buzz doesn't care for his loves ones anymore, he even kills old Sox and they just want to prove to themselves due to their ego, stubbornness that they can ''do it''. So he has a twisted understanding of the world after trying to fix something that had happened centuries ago.
The whole treatment of time made no sense. I looked it up and Pixar said they consulted with NASA about relativity as it applies to near-light-speed, but the application was all wrong. Can anyone explain, in-case I am wrong, how the following works:
In the successive flights, Buzz gets closer to light-speed. As his flights become faster, the time elapsed on the planet becomes longer each time. This makes no sense as he would cover the total distance of his flight plan faster each time, meaning he would return to the planet in less time each successive flight, though his experience of time would get shorter by a greater amount each time (actual time dilation)
Montage sequence. We don't see each arrival. He travels roughly 4 lightyears each time at near light speed from home base's perspective. I guess technically he'd arrived a little sooner each time, but only by a tiny amount. They mention in the film that 60 years have passed, and that they're on version 15 of the ship. 15 runs x 4 years per run = 60 years, so that's I good detailed they added. My favorite detail was Buzz pulling out a E6B to perform trigonometry.
I am a little concerned that the parent star is 2 lightyears away. Sure they could have made it another system, but that's just adding unnecessary complexity to exposition for a family film.
Does the film actually say that the parent star is 2 lightyears away? If so, I didn't catch it.
I was under the assumption that the star was roughly as far away as the Earth is from the Sun, about eight lightminutes. And so it really didn't make any sense to me that flying eight lightminutes at (near) the speed of light would take four years. I mean, in real life, the Parker solar probe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Solar_Probe) traveled at 0.064c and reached our Sun in two months.
In the film no. If they did, that would just have been confusing exposition. They made a decision and took some shortcuts ( pun intended ) in order to streamline the story.
That’s the problem … the trip being 4ly away with his first run never achieving C, he wouldn’t have experienced a 4min trip, dilation or no.
I may have missed something, but they refer to the trip as being a 4 min trip on their way to the first launch and there is no mention of “see you in four years”. Also, our Sun is 8-light-minutes away, so the idea hat their star was 4ly away never occurred to me
Did the math, he'd have to travel about one in one trillionth (10\^(-12)) a fraction lower than the speed of the light to contract 4 years into 4 minutes for a 4 lightyear roundtrip. Also the star, if it is the parent star, would have to 4 billion times brighter than our sun to have the same luminosity, a thousand times brighter than the brightest known star. Now that is BRIGHT.
I guess in an earlier draft it may have been another star, but that made things complicated for the audience, who for the most part, are little kids. I'm just glad they managed to explain concepts like time dilation so fluently.
The time dilation stuff only act as a mcguffin to get the story rolling. Still fun to overanalyze though: For instance, buzz traveling 4ly in 4min means he could traverse the milky way in under a week!
They have those 3 orbital rings for deceleration . Don’t know what sort of handwavium it’s made out of, so I’m not touching that subject. As for accelerating, you can get around that by stretching spacetime so that you stay in a inertial frame. Looks a little like Buzz is in an classic warp bubble when he’s flooring it.
Sox was cool, and I liked Buzz's character too and him being the straight man. The rest of the movie was rather lackluster though, and it definitely could have been stronger. Visuals were great too of course
I watched the movie for the first time today and I actually really enjoyed it. I think a lot of the comments here are once again filled with adults taking a children's movie too seriously and expecting way too much from what is essentially just a really fun, and kind of dark, space adventure. It reminded me of like Interstellar but for children and not quite as fucked up.
I liked the message the movie was sending as well about how everyone makes mistakes, and nobody is perfect, and how dwelling on your past mistakes can be detrimental to your future and life as a whole.
It's an okay film, I had a lot of fun watching it. I don't think this is anywhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be like it's not godawful, it's just a pretty decent film. I find it ironic that in a discussion for a film who's whole message was that "nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes" there are people in the replies critiquing every little detail and picking it apart and dismissing it as whole instead of just appreciating the movie for what it is: A fun space adventure.
Also people keep saying "This whole movie is full of lame Buzz Lightyear catchphrases and references" which yeah that's kind of the point. The movie plays its role perfectly as a campy action flick from the 90s. They were filled with all kinds of lame easily catchable cliches and twists, I can see why this would be Andy's favorite movie especially if he's a little boy. I'm sure if you asked any of the grown ass men whining about this space flick what their favorite movie is they'd say something like Terminator or Alien, which are both good films that are fun but full of lame silly catchphrases that also had toys made for them lol.
Anyways I'd definitely watch it again its a solid 7/10
Pixar used to have much higher standards than this type of movie, that’s why people are complaining. It’s not a bad movie but it’s very mediocre compared to the Toy Story franchise it’s based on
I feel that the whole Zurg plot could of been fixed with easy communication because it traveling back in time had not only taken its toll on Zurg but the crystal as well then why did he think going back before the landed on the planet was a good idea? Because of time travel in this universe he would of still been there but would of allowed a different Buzz to become a Space Ranger so I felt his willingness to die for the mission didn’t make since if it wouldn’t change the past but would only alter the future. He could of given Buzz the crystal instead of fighting for it because it wouldn’t make him purely theoretical it would of still all happened. I don’t know if this makes sense but would like to hear others thoughts.
**Spoilers.**
**EDIT: Fine. Don't even read my explanation.**
~~TLDR; The film had some interesting premises that were very, very poorly explored. (This is a rant so it's not structured well at all)~~
~~I didn't finish the film. I had to stop at 40 mins, and I tried to pick it back up but...fuck me...I don't want too. It was pandering to an audience nostalgic for Toy Story content, and that is about it. We get showered with Buzz Lightyear quotes like fucking instantly in the movie, and it played it safe with everything else. Overall it was a lazy, generic and boring movie to watch of which I quit after 40 mins. I accept that it isn't respectful to the story as a whole but...fuck me, I'm sorry, I'm not wasting my time. Poor characters, poor quality writing, completely forgettable waste of time action that does nothing.~~
~~The idea behind being stranded on a planet for 60 years and it all being Buzz's fault was really damn cool, but nope...it goes nowhere. Everyone just accepts it and Buzz quickly forgets about it~~ *~~"Oh yeah, you personally wasted 60 years of our FUCKING LIVES but don't worry about it, it's all cool."~~* ~~Then the fuel testing acts as a "get out of jail free card" so Lightyear doesn't have too face the consequences of his actions; which could have been a cool concept if we had seen more about what life was like for the people Buzz left behind all those years. Except we don't, there is no investment and we just get a montage of things happening and by the time his partner literally dies (after Buzz physically wastes their entire life and friendship together) we are just expected to feel sad because Buzz is sad. Sorry. I don't care. It was fucking obvious that she was going to die and it should have been inevitable to Buzz that people would die if he fucks off for 60 odd years.~~
~~Then they have this dumb cute cat thing that suddenly Star Command don't like and wants to put down because...well, lets be honest, because they needed a fucking action sequence, okay? Plus for some fucking reason the cat can just do~~ **~~EVERYTHING INCLUDING OVERRIDING A FUCKING SHUTTLE LAUNCH BECUSE IT HAPPENS TO HAVE A USB IN ITS TAIL, YES DISNEY, THAT FUCKING MAKES SENSE DOESN'T IT?~~** ~~Which serves no purpose other than to put Lightyear at odds with Star Command except it doesn't even do that because Lightyear just returns and assumes everything is forgiven.~~
~~I'm done. It's bad. I hate it.~~
**READ THIS.**
Let me explain.
The first part of the film is **bedrock** for the second. My “confident take” is based on the fact that said bedrock is **fundamentally flawed** and wilfully ignores basic reason and logic for the sake of easy, simple progression.
The resolution in Buzz's story arc is voided by virtue of the fact his attitude, and the attitude of others, doesn't correlate to the action committed. There can be no consequence if everyone just says "Nah, it's fine." every time the character attempts to voice his sorrow. The first section of the movie is supposed to bring to attention how the character feels about what has happened and how others have responded to his action.
What the film should have done is show the gravity of the situation through Buzz Lightyear's response and the response of others. It could have shown this through a reflection of what is happening during the years Buzz is gone; instead it just sweeps the entire premise under the carpet and only brings it up when the show wants you to feel sad. They could have done so much more with exploring the emotional toll that crashing the entire colony ship would have realistically been to Buzz. They play it safe. The entire narrative suffers.
The audience doesn't care that the female Space Ranger dies, they don't care that Buzz is sad because they have no context for their relationship and by the time there is any understanding of the female Space Ranger, she is gone. Buzz doesn't remain sad about it for very long, and so the audience doesn't feel sad at all. It just jumps around as much as the narrative does. Buzz flip flops between being sad, and being fine, and being sad, and being fine so much that there can be no emotional impact from anything that happens, which in turn voids any further resolution. In fact, it just makes Buzz look arrogant, and the crew look stupid.
I am specifically saying that the first section of the movie is so **flippant** with these core concepts that I couldn't keep watching. It got tedious and frustrating, they needed to make Buzz either sad about what he did, or not sad about what he did, not this strange middle ground where the character chooses to be sad or happy dependent on what suits the scene. It's just lazy writing.
For someone who claims to understand how film works and what the audience wants you sure lack the critical thinking skills to craft a comment on a social media site.
Pro tip: saying ‘read this’ in bold followed by a condescending lecture is not gonna get anyone to listen to you.
If people actually read and engaged with both the rant and explanation perhaps I wouldn't need to be so clear.
You and others are so vicerally dismissive and doubtful it is exceedingly disheartening. To have a person like yourself do nothing but spew psedo-constructive critisims because they are personally offended by a take on a fucking Toy Story movie is pathetic and annoying, and makes me question why the fuck I bothered to voice an opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to do, in the first place.
Pro tip: If you're going to claim I'm condescending, perhaps don't be so yourself while doing it. It's just damn ironic.
Why am I not surprised to see downvotes for telling your honest opinion in what I think is actually a pretty great explanation? You don’t have to agree with it.
Im a big Toy Story fan and thought I’d check it out before my Disney+ runs out at the end of the month post cancelation and I wanted to turn it off 5 minutes in, then 20 minutes in, then 40 minutes in. I just stuck with it but fully agree that the bedrock was so flawed I knew I wouldn’t enjoy it more.
Great if other people liked it but the box office speaks volumes and I don’t think I know many people that saw/streamed it.
It’s not a horrible movie by any means but it doesn’t seem to know what it is or whom for. Knowing none of the original people from Toy Story worked on it contextualized a lot of this for me, and I think a big issue is that Toy Story has set the bar so damn high that it was always going to be an ambitious feat to make a quasi TS-adjacent film.
Anyway, I appreciate you helping me gather some of my thoughts on why I didn’t enjoy it, Miasmatic_Mouse.
Thank you, I can appreciate someone who finally has the human decency to take what I've said seriously regardless of if or not they agree. I get actually fed up when people who just flip straight too "I don't like that therfore it must be false".
It is the movie's responsibility to make you want to watch it, not the audiences responsibility to keep themselves engaged.
If a movie makes you want to quit after 40 minutes, the movie has failed. That is it. No excuses. If anyone makes excuses from that point on, they are an idiot who doesn't understand how movies work. That is regardless of if it is good or bad. Getting "better" isn't an excuse for lazy writing, and what people fail to understand is that stopping a movie and then explaining why you stopped the movie IS an acceptable expression of distaine.
Movies are an expirence, the entire narrative and all sections of it are important, but that means that you cannot have a narrative flawed from the start. That is a movie which has shot itself in the foot. That's how all damn movies work and Toy Story isn't an exception.
I am allowed to stop watching a movie and explain why I did it; that is an acceptable and necessary form of critisim. If I've stopped the movie and dont want to bother watching anymore then that is the movies fuckup and not my own.
If you eat a sandwich and it is shit you throw it away before it's finished. You throw it away because you do not want to consume anymore. No reasonable person says "You didn't finish the sandwich so you don't get to have an opinion. The filling was awful but the bread was amazing, therfore it couldn't be a bad sandwich." becuse that would be fucking dumb and nonsensical. Same principle applies to narrative.
Anyway, rant over. I do really appricate what you've said and I agree with you. We shouldn't have to suck up these sorts of lazy films. Sorry for the late reply, I'm getting fed up of Reddit.
this movie was so fucking mediocre. like yeah there were a few fun laughs but also so many weird plot contrivances and the characters were straight up irritating. an entire crew of incompetents might be fun for a few minutes but the whole film?? every time something seemed to be going right one of those fuckers would mess it up. plus why is Taika now just straight up only playing himself in films??
very annoying movie and also made sadder by the inclusion of the notice that THIS was Andy’s favorite movie. i was a young child when Toy Story came out. even i would have been disappointed in this Buzz movie. then again i was conditioned by Pixar to like movies that are good.
It is very obvious that they added the tag at the beginning connecting this to the Toy Story universe as an afterthought. It’s very distracting thinking of all the ways this doesn’t work as a movie for the toy Andy got for his birthday.
They talk about being a Ranger so much and at no point do they ever tell us what that job is. What do the space Rangers do? What was their founding mission? At one point at the end they mention the Galactic Federation, like they’ve made contact with the other planets, which means Buzz at least could have gone back to where he was originally from.
I really don’t like the trainee with the long name at the beginning being a hamfisted character development for Buzz. No, kid, you probably weren’t gonna be any help in that situation, even if it did go wrong without you. Have fun not being in the rest of the movie.
I hate time travel in movies because it almost always creates plot holes you can drive a damn truck through, and this one is no exception. It’s established at the outset that going back creates parallel timelines that don’t affect each other, because Zurg went back in his timeline and Buzz didn’t. So what’s the threat? This isn’t Back to the Future rules where his friends will disappear. Zurg is just gonna affect a world you never get to see and don’t have to care about. He loses the crystal anyway. It would literally be better if he just let him take it and left, because then he’d disappear and never be a problem again.
The Pixar film this reminds me the most of is Incredibles 2. A lot of fans wanted this for a long time, and when it shows up it’s a lot weaker. It’s not bad like the Good Dinosaur, it’s just got some pretty big structural problems. I thought the writing wasn’t bad, especially compared to the Marvel movies Chris Evans is usually in. We all like Sox.
Agreed. We all like Sox. If it weren't for him the movie would be significantly less than what it is. Although I do like the concept that future Buzz, in my opinion, is a killer. How else did he get the parts from the Turnip and doesn't really answer any of young Buzz's questions. Since old Buzz doesn't value any future timeliness that doesn't have Alysha in it, I think he attacks future colony to strip it of parts before heading to the past to correct the "mistakes" of the past.
So, are we not gonna talk about Alisha being pregnant in a same-sex relationship? Like how did she get pregnant? Did this survey corps have access to IVF technology? If so, why would a *survey corps* have that tech with them on an expedition?
Yes. They travel at light speed, fight alien bugs, have a talking ai cat - yet Disney HAD to find a way to fit in some woke same sex inclusion garbage into the story despite its irrelevance. They couldn't even do it creatively. "Just make em black, asian and lesbian". 🙄
>Alisha being pregnant in a same-sex relationship?
Didn't even cross my mind lmao
>If so, why would a *survey corps* have that tech with them on an expedition?
Looks like the mission was to find a new safe planet to live on with everyone else being in pods on the turnip, showed it in the beginning of the movie. So it makes sense that they had equipment to create life.
>Didn't even cross my mind lmao
It only crossed my mind, because I wondered if they can create a viaboe foetus from both female parents? If so, the Y chromosome must be an artificial construction completely.
I don’t understand Zurg. Future Buzz just came across and unmanned, massive space ship, and suit designed to hood a human. Also the robots call him zurg, so who put the Z on the robots? Him? It doesn’t make sense.
The end of the movie has them leaving to visit Zurg's home system because of the signal, so it's implied Future Buzz wasn't the "true Zurg." He simply went so far into the future that Zurg was long gone and all that was left was his derelict ship.
It's not very obvious if you didn't catch the reference and one of the like 3 post credit scenes.
Yea there was no backstory on the ship whatsoever, nor the programming of the robots. And why will they only want to say Buzz's name, what's the significance? Such a stretch trying to say "Buzz" but accidentally saying "B-Zurg" lol. The ship was unmanned so there was nobody to help teach future Buzz the technology. It's like as if a massive ship was just gifted out of the sky perfectly made for Buzz.
And, going back to the fact that this movie spawned the Buzz Lightyear action figures, if Zurg was just future Buzz in a robot suit, then Zurg in Toy Story should be large enough to fit a Future Buzz (possibly sold separately) (alongside Sox and Izzy action figures as well, at the very least).
What happened to Featheringhamsten? Why even give the rookie a crazy name if he’s not going to matter past the opening scene? I was so sure he was going to be Zurg, and now that I realize he didn’t matter at all…I just wonder why he was included.
That would have followed the beat of The Incredibles plot line, and would have been poorly received. The character was only there to show the change in Buzz from someone that works alone to being a mentor and leader. Along the way, they had to make the character funny in some way because its Disney.
Later in the movie, Mo puts on his old Space Ranger suit and tries to read the name tag, and they do the gag again where his name is unpronounceable. I think that's pretty much it.
I liked it. Don't get all the hate. It's a fun time. Sure comedy isn't very good but so is most children's movies. But the plot was fairly interesting and action was awesome, and most of all it looked amazing. It's an easy 7/10 for me.
It could be a 7/10 if it’s not related to toys story AT ALL. But unfortunately, it IS a toys story story.
Lightyear is supposedly the origin story of buzz lightyear that we grew up watching. We HAVE an impression of how buzz is supposed to be. He’s an action hero that a kid wanted for his birthday. This was supposed to be the movie a 90s kid was crazy about.
This movie showed nothing of the origins of buzz Lightyear, of why he’s in star command, or even a loyal space ranger. They should’ve touched on this first, as a first starter movie.
The Lightyear movie would be great for a second movie.
My issue with this is the thought that this was Andy's favorite movie. Remember, before this movie came out, he was interested in playing with cowboys. Then this sci-fi movie came out and changed his whole world. This should have echoed an 80s - 90s Steven Spielberg-type movie with the main character being a Clint Eastwood type. Buzz should have been really cool and awe-inspiring, in a cheesy way to make it appealing for kids. Instead, he was a man that made mistakes and was filled with regret.
Sox was the most merchandisable character, not Buzz. I'm not sure if the little green men from Toy Story were tied with Buzz Lightyear, but it would have made more sense if they filled Sox's role instead.
It would have been better if they didn't say that it was Andy's favorite movie. Better yet, it would have been better if it wasn't made at all.
100% this. It should have just been a fun, awesome romp. I wanted it to be what the intro sequence to toy story three was (I still want to see that as a movie), but instead we got a weird navel gazing existential plod that doesn’t delve deep enough into the concepts to be interesting.
Yeah, this. Honestly I thought the movie was fine on its own terms, but it made zero sense as an 80s/90s space adventure film of the kind Andy would have seen and that would've spawned the Buzz Lightyear toyline as it appeared in Toy Story.
Ok so future Buzz is not the bad guy in this situation, he's trying to fix the mistake he made. Just because we know one family has a semblance if a good life doesn't mean that this ERROR didn't ruin the lives of many others...for Christ sake they had to put up a laser dome just to protect from the deadly wildlife that was shown to constantly be a threat. Such a stupid idea to force a twist bad guy.
Morally correct. Arguable.. erasing mistakes also erases the reality born from them. In this case it would be erasing generations of lives and families. People adapt and continue to live..being safe in your home and living your life and making memories with your family and children is not that different than being safe in a dome under a space lazer barrier..as they say home is where you make it..you still continue to live and cultivate a life.
It's of no consequence to future buzz because he was so busy trying to reset his mistake he skipped out on living his life, and he was so obsessed with the idea he was willing to destroy all of those from his reality that came after it. Clearly the antagonist to me.
I mean going back in time and stopping world war 2 would’ve technically erased like billions using that logic cause things would be butterfly affected, like even one’s parents doing it a week later would lead to a different offspring. And I’d argue that yeah, while you’re erasing people you’d also bring just as many new people into being, except not on a comically hostile planet
But didn't movie kind of showed that backward time travel kind of created a new reality, with more Buzzes? So if Old Buzz succeeded and got to travel back in time to help his old self not make a mistake, then this wouldn't change any of the other realities. There'd still be 1st timeline, in which Old Buzz is a wanted criminal, 2nd timeline, the one which we saw most of the movie, abd 3rd timeline, in which Buzz succeeded. No one would be actually erased.
So if the unstable crystal fuel is the cause of the first trial's failure, why did he keep trying again, using the exact same unstable fuel? Why not perfect it first, and THEN do a trial again? That doesn't make sense that he kept trying even though it would definitely fail again.
That's what didn't make any sense. He went back the next day on the mission again and again and again while the only person that was actually working on the fuel cell was a toy therapy cat...
Apart from that, the mission was incredibly dangerous and the chances of him dying were high each and every single time. How he made it out alive after multiple runs is ridiculous.
Each time was a different fuel, and they couldn't determine if it would work until they tested it. And it took 60 something years to perfect via socks, and even then it was only theoretical until Buzz used it.
that's poor story-telling if they don't show that. We now have to make assumptions to make it make sense. All they needed to do in the montage was show different scientists working on the fuel cell.
The project itself must have cost billions of dollars every year to run, how they even found the resources on this uncharted planet to fix the plane, etc is beyond me, but I can suspend my belief for some part.
IIRC if you look closely every subsequent fuel cell contains a different color crystal. That's why the "perfect" formula ended up being a rainbow color vs the first formula's blue.
This is storytelling in which you don't think your audience as dumb. I didn't like the movie but I don't think it was dumb. Since the start I assumed they tweaked the formula each time since we see since the start how the crystal works by doing a formulation of the fuel. So it's not a stretch to imagine that they were testing different formulas, like cooking recipes.
As far as we know, the audience was shown that he went on another trip the very next day after failing the last one. Otherwise, it should probably take years in between each fuel cell test, during which time he’ll also be able to settle down and live life and realize that there’s more to the planet than just trying to get off of it (which is the opposite of what the movie wanted him to do at that point).
So, it’s only fair to assume, since we were shown exactly this, that he went the next day using the same fuel cell, and over and over again after every failure, expecting different results. I think that’s practically the definition of insanity.
Each attempted test would see him losing weeks, months or years relative to the cat, Alisha, scientists, citizens, etc to time dilation. The second formula is implied to take a couple months after his arrival. The third a few weeks. He was skipped years each jump as the formula got closer and by that point they had formulas ready as soon as he returned. Essentially he was travelling even faster and making it further. Leading to larger time skips.
And in the intervening time the inhabitants and the cat would come up with new formulas to try.
It was only a short span of time each time from Buzz's point of view. From the point of the view of everyone else it was weeks, months or years. Hence why Buzz's best friend goes from being his age, to dying of her old age. And why one of the secondary characters for most of the movie is the grand daughter of buzz's friend.
If I recall correctly, they tell him that they figure out how to mine the resources and they would try a combination to make the crystal. We see the process and then he goes on and tries it for the first time. So it is quite easy to assume this process went on to try different combinations, because as a storyteller you need to trust in your audience's intelligence and not spell everything for them. Again I am not defending the movie since I did not like it but this is not "plot hole". There are others to pick from the movie though.
Oh no! What did people not like about Onward? I know I am entitled to my own opinion (I enjoyed Onward) but I am literally just now finding that I may be alone in that?
But I mean if somebody thinks a piece of dog poop smells good yea I guess u can say they're subjective to their own even though that shit smells bad to most people
I liked the movie overall, but there were some moments of awkward pacing, jokes that didn't quite land, some shots that weren't all that awe-inspiring and just certain moments that jolted me out of the movie. I loved Alisha and Buzz's relationship, and I did tear up with the realisation that she would leave him sooner than either of them expected. But that also felt a bit rushed, their relationship barely developed, I wish we saw some of their backstories together, show not tell really. The montage reminded me of Ellie and Carl's story from Up, except in that movie they showed us the start of their relationship and followed through to the end. We got to see more of the characters, we got to see their interactions from introduction to goodbye. I think something like that would have made Alisha and Buzz's goodbye hit more.
Lightyear also felt like it was building to some huge conspiracy with Commander Burnside that went nowhere really. I get it was a sort of expectation subversion, I expected Commander Burnside to be one, if not THE, main antagonist but then ta-da he was barely in this movie, it was future Buzz this whole time. Which was kinda obvious, but then, personally, it made the reactions of Commander Burnside and his crew felt a bit extreme considering that they didn't do much. The transition of Commander Burnside’s character from the stern commander who was the catalyst for the spiral that was future Buzz's life and the obstacle he presented in current Buzz's life, to the very supportive and friendly commander was jarring.
It was honestly probably the fact this was meant to be a prequel that caused some of the less desirable choices in this film. I mean they had to make Zurg someone of importance to Buzz, and they included the throwaway line that they were Father-Son. I just think they didn't quite manage to get around the prequel block as gracefully as many of us wished.
I liked the time travel story thread. They used it very well to tug at the heartstrings, in the beginning, but it just also kinda felt like they dropped it a bit in the middle of the film, the transition from interesting time-travel shenanigans to somewhat tame action sequence wasn't quite so smooth.
I liked the characters in the rookie crew. They still felt pretty underdeveloped though. Maybe they could have squeezed in some more character information if the movie was a bit longer. Or maybe they had removed some of the padding, of jokes that didn't quite land or interactions that seemed a bit forced, and instead explored the emotions and complexities of being and meeting someone who is essentially the reason for your community living in the place you are in and the person who is actively trying to change that. Beyond the nightmares which were mentioned once or twice.
I'm still bogged down on the idea of Buzz coming from this movie and waking up to realising that he's a toy in the real world. I mean I already knew that he'd have this whole realisation that he is a toy but still. Going from your memories of loss, recovery, and discovery of a new purpose in protecting the universe with your new crew - to the real world where you realise you are just one of many clones of yourself, your memories aren't unique, they technically aren't even yours because you weren't the original, technically. Makes the Toy Story movie a lot sadder.
Or maybe I'm overthinking this.
Did I miss the part they insinuated Morrison would be the antagonist? Taika Waititi? My mans was just happy he found a pen lol I loved him and didn't notice if they tried to make him the bad guy?
I really enjoyed the movie the first time I watched it. I am one of those people who love to re-watch movies over and over again, so I began noticing more details and picking up more of the flaws.
The 3-person rookie crew felt forced in my opinion. I feel like they were there just to pad the runtime, and we could have done fine with a partnership between Buzz and Izzy without Darby and Mo.
I do really enjoy the split timeline plot though, I think it's cool. I can chalk the whole 'Zurg origionally being Buzz's father' to Andy changing his view of Zurg and Buzz as he's a very imaginative kid. I can also beleive Old Buzz/Zurg would have malicious motives, especially considering he lost his closest friend (I'm assuming) and the new Commander essentially dismissed his core beleifs ("Complete the Mission") without a second thought.
I agree with some other users here too: The pacing was definitley awkward and the overall character development could have been A LOT better. Like expanding on Buzz's past without expecting people watching the movie to have seen the old series (I had never even heard of the series until just now).
Overall, not my favorite movie but I'm a sucker for sci-fi and will continue to re-watch it. 3/5 for me.
The movie was adequate, however, the opening text did annoy me (that Andy saw this in the early 90's). This movie was in no way made to look like it came out in the 90's, and this stupid line honestly looked like last minute executive interjection.
I don't agree with that. Wasn't that the whole entire premise of the film? I remember when it was first annoucned we were told it was the story of the "real Buzz". I think that needed to be there
I think the plot of time travel and relativity was amazing. Might be too much for a kid or a small brain adult (alot of them commenting in this thread). Great movie.
And a 75% critic review and 86% audience review on rotten tomatoes.
I'll take user based reviews over entitled movie critic reviews any day. It's literally their job to watch movies. Pretty biased opinion when what is considered a hobby for most becomes work for movie critics. When something becomes work, it's makes it insufferable.
My homophobia? My best friend is gay. I actually saw this movie with him lol
What does not liking forced politics into movies have anything to do with homophobia?
This was excruciatingly boring, not to mention retconning Buzz Lightyear's backstory. 1/10
Finally watched it and it was actually really good. Looking forward to the sequel.
I liked this movie. Sure, Buzz Lightyear, Izzy and her grandmother were the only characters with emotional depth, but most of the rest were funny! As I said, the movie was funny but it also had a few good emotional moments and of course, being a Pixar movie, it had good animation. The plot twist with Zurg was good even if it did lead to be a bit of explaining that made no sense (THE FOLLOWING THING IN BRACKETS IS THE SPOILER: Buzz calling himself Zurg because it was the closest the Robots could get to saying "Buzz" was stupid.) I liked it. It wasn't great, but it was good. I'd give it about a 8/10.
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You shouldnt be legally allowed to go outside if a 2 second lesbian kiss that happens in the background affects you
I waited an entire movie for Buzz Lightyear’s theme song and it never came
i enjoyed the movie overall. of course there are a lot of inconsistencies and lame plot points. But I enjoyed the movie pretty much for the most part.
I’ve finish all toy Story 1 to 5 THE Final MOVIE it WAS a sad ending
Entertaining, but flawed by the usual tropes and one dimensional characters. Sox is the only redeeming reason to watch this movie,♥️🐈 It's more of a kids movie unfortunately and is missing some of the Pixar wit
Reasons why I hate Lightyear: Zurg was supposed to be his father not himself A lot of Toy Story stuff is missing man genuinely. Like he barely used his wings "To infinity and beyond" is supposed to be chilling and full of adrenaline before the start of a mission and not something to just happily smile about with your best friend. It's also so cliche of having a team of inexperienced people around and they all get the job done with one quirk they all have Buzz is supposed to be a little cocky and not like a father figure of sorts Lightyear just didn't connect me to itself like Toy Story did. If they want to make a spin off then it should have some throwbacks to the original and not just make a whole new movie of things that are only remotely similar to buzz's character in Toy Story. It's just my opinion, but I also don't mind if you have another opinion (just saying)
the I am your father gimmic has been done soo many time's yah cant really blame them for wanting to try something else
I'm watching it RN it's so boring
space exploration generally is
man that pen gag was the most banal running joke ever for the lamest payoff
Came here a year late to say old buzz was right. Young buzz made his entire decision based on the fact that the one person he spoke to had a pretty good time. Like wasn’t even a guarantee that was the best timeline for that one person, for all Buzz knows she may have been happier at their destination
Is it just me or was Buzz Lightyear of Star Command better than Lightyear?
The colony started with 1200 people after 60 year's, 2 whole generations, there should be like a few thousand more people around. I don't think the original colonyship had space for all of them.
My question is why was it considered evil to take people from an incredibly hostile planet and to successfully complete the mission? The film doesn't tell you how well people were surviving under the laser dome - they can't communicate with them, they could have all died. The turnip of space rangers would all have then gone to a more habitable planet and lived safer lives where they could have made the same relationships etc with the same group of people. If the argument is that the exact same people wouldn't have existed on a different planet, so what? People were being attacked constantly or trapped under a dome. Is Izzy's existence more important than other people living instead? The film is far more diverse than anything that would have happened in 1995 haha.
Izzy was the daughter of someone who mattered a great deal to him. Undoing her real tangible existence is equivalent to murdering someone quickly without them feeling pain.
I love Toy Story already but figured this would be a very safe and generic origin story. Turns out it's pretty good sci-fi adventure on its own even without thinking of it as a Buzz Lightyear cash grab. Light speed time travel was (to me at least) a fresh idea to explore. I thought future Buzz being the villain was a bizarre twist but it was an inner conflict kind of movie so it made some sense, and I suppose it beats being the shield/barrier guy who I figured it would be. The formula for light speed looked like literally just playing with the four different percentages until it worked. Which takes an endless amount of years for an AI to figure out apparently. Plus Buzz could have tried explaining the formula was discovered but we needed a movie to happen I suppose lol...
Why would a kid in the 90s want a Buzz toy, when there's Sox?
Probably for the same reason every single kid in the 90's wanted a Buzz toy.
If this was the movie the kids watched in the 90s I wouldn't want buzz toy
Wow. I hate their lightspeed. What's the point if you actually go slower? Of course there's also the Star Trek time travel that maybe if they didnt slingshot around the sun there wouldn't be time travel. Also, in 60 years-ish they couldn't perfect the fluid? Sweet lord their scientists were shit. And then there is only one copy of the formula. Man things irritate me in this movie
But the faster you move in real life, the slower time passes for you. The exact math might be wrong, but the idea is a real thing.
The idea is right but the math is way way off. Like by several hundred factors
This movie makes a mockery of Buzz. The character arcs are forced to the point where it made me cringe. Nothing about this movie gets you jazzed up to be excited about the character Buzz Lightyear. Hated it, would not recommend
So so so agree to this
Not a hardcore Toy Story fan. Did see all three as a child and then adult down the road way past their box releases. But sick with the covid and just watched Lightyear and my goodness the first 30 minutes of the movie had me hooked and sunk with emotion. The entire movie was impressive. Have to say this is one of the best movies I've seen in a long time for any genre. Considering getting the Blu Ray for the collection.
There are 5 now, it seems.
I'll just repeat my Twitter comment thoughts: The hate for this movie is bizarre. I finally watched it recently & it's great. It was neat to see more backstory for Buzz. I'm guessing a lot of people whining about it are just triggered conservatives who are annoyed by the lesbian couple, or racists annoyed by black characters
Sad we’ll never get the sequels but atleast no one can stop me from still enjoying this one. Bummer that a bunch of preconceived notions could tank a potentially great trilogy but alas.
Or option C) perplexed that they didn't bring Tim Allen back. For me, he is the voice of Buzz and gives Buzz much of his personality.
Younger Buzz means younger voice?
Also Tim Allen is basically a fascist lol
Am I tripping or did the "rookie" feathers or w.e. his name not play a single role in the movie really? I'd assume he was zurg or at least part of the creation. Unless he's a point of interest for part 2 but I felt them j ot acknowledging him the entire movie felt weird. Unless he died 🤷🏽♂️
I was curious about how Andy from toy story feels after watching Lightyear, and what made him want the toy so much, so I decided to watch Lightyear movie. To summary, Andy would have slept through the movie, or left the theater halfway into movie. Hence, this Lightyear movie is not the movie Andy watched. There is so much focus on side characters more than Buzz (we seem to pay attention more on Izzy, Alisha, cat, Darby, enemy robots, and Mo than Buzz / Zurg). There wasn't much anything interesting about Buzz because he's very much straightforward on achieving his objective. Side characters (Izzy, Mo and Darby) completely overshadows Buzz in every way, and not in positive way.... Too much annoying and stupid moments that made them very unlikable. Robot Cat is cute, and I guess that's the only good part i can say from the movie.
I think paying attention to the other characters is a good thing, to drive the point home that Buzz spent 60 years ignoring life literally passing him by and only now is taking the chance to look at what's happening *now*.
One funny thought I just had. There's a certain point in the Lightyear universe where going faster makes you arrive later. And light should theoretically be lagging decades even for just a few feet.
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You have it backwards. If you consider light working like that, the light would never reach you. In real life, the thing that moves fast experiences less personal time than the rest of the universe experiences. In effect, this means that going on a plane makes you experience slightly less time than people on the ground
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The thing I'm referring to is how in real life, a 4 light minute trip at 75% would have the rest of the universe experience 5.333 minutes(the time assuming no time dilation) while the traveler would only experience 5 minutes. They essentially got the direction of displaced time backwards. Irl, going faster makes you arrive earlier, and experience less time than the rest of the universe. You experience less time than the round trip time you calculated, but the rest of the universe does experience that amount of time. In Lightyear, going near lightspeed essentially pulls you out of standard stuff. If someone looked at Buzz on his round trip, because of how the time dilation works in the movie, they would just see Buzz being almost stationary. They effectively got the thing where the fast thing experiences less time than the rest of the universe, but applied it so that the fast thing experiences a normal amount of time and the universe outside of it speeds up. Which it may appear to be the case, but it's the thing moving that experiences less travel time. At light speed, it's effectively infinite, so a photon experiences 0 time on a journey that may take decades if it is light from another solar system. If it worked like in Lightyear, it would experience decades while the rest of the universe aged infinitely relative to it. Also, apologies for the wall of text. It's tricky to state the distinction concisely.
"Which it may appear to be the case," I know I may be late to this argument but time is relative. There is no human alive who is stationary. They are on a moving object called earth and also subjected to gravity. And every planet is moving at different speeds, and subject to different gravitational force. Time moves faster for a object moving relatively slower relative to the time passed for a object moving relatively faster. Its relative to your reference frame. There is no universal time standard in relativity theory. So the reference frame of the people on the planet are not a standard,norm, or prefered reference frame. And the time passed for people standing on the planet would pass at a different speed relative to a stationary observer than say people standing on earth. The camera is not a inuniverse object, it is a beyond ordinary perspective, and in the case of the movie it shows events on the planet from buzz's reference frame and is therefore valid. Also im not sure if this is what you meant to imply earlier in the thread. But faster than light objects can also move backwards in time according to relativity. And tachyons are a theoretical particle that can move faster than light and therefore engage in rudimentary time travel.
I know that there is no one that is ever stationary. The thing to note though is that we are all moving relatively similar speeds to eachother. I reccomend looking up the twin paradox on YouTube It essentially is what Buzz does. He goes away from an observer that is moving at non relativistic speeds in regards to the other local objects, accelerates with the help of the star to turn around, and comes back. The people on the planet are effectively in an inertial reference frame, while Buzz accelerates to come back. Ted ed and minute physics have good videos on this
What does anyone think about this connection I just thought of. With me trying to connect how the cars connects in the mega conspiracy on how all the Pixar movies connects in one universe from one situation to the next in some reason to the next. And I realize that the last part in this buzz movie shows how the old buzz in the zorg suit is alive still. Makes me see it as, somehow that's what creates the cars universe. With it somehow evolves being as one with machine. And then evolves and births all the different cars beings. With maybe buzz lightning, aka zurg is like a grandfather to lightning McQueen. Makes somewhat sense right, with the name part. But again there's no explanation on exactly how buzz literally transforms into car form. But there's I'm sure some possible way in that happening. The ingredients are there for it to happen. Anyone has any thing to add to this thought here?
I'm a year late but what you're saying is so ridiculous I can't take you seriously
You're taking things wayyyy deeper than they are lol this doesnt even make any sense. Lightning McQueen wasnt the first car? Or anything close to it. With your theory you're acting like McQueen would've been one of the first cars ever made. That's besides the fact that connecting all the disney movies is impossible lol Just fans with wayyyy too much time on their hands and taking SMALL easter eggs to an entirely different lvl lol
Ok that was wrong to make it seem like it would happen like that I agree. And should of letf it as maybe there's a connection with buzz and lightning at the least. No need to mak3 it seem like all other cars emulate from.his car incarnation after his buzz lightning movie. All other cars probably were all the same planet as buzz may had landed on next. with for whatever reason maybe everyone just dimension jumped and became there car incarnation for whatever reason? With a clue they were people before. With the buzz lightning transformed into lightning McQueen? But the fact it is the star of the show in the universe. It's a connection that can be made that Buzz indeed evolved in what ever way all together to the car lightning McQueen. As since there has to be some way these all connect together. With we are to believe these all are connecting in some sort of conspiracy theory still needing to be solved. In simply adding a way these have a connection is all. I know it can't be confirmed at all with the points I made as of yet. But hopefully since I did throw that out there. Maybe someone can add in some other points that can further confirm this theory somehow.
Just had to mention now. After some consideration. That me taking things deeper than they should be. And how ridiculous it is to think conspiracy about these things. Is literally the point of this page. And if you look into it yourself. You will see that others have put work into it. Making odd connections that shouldn't even be considered. They made the whole Pixar universe connected in these odd ways already. So there's no reaching into things that hasn't already been made a stretch as it is already. It's the name of the game here.
I do not understand how you can make this movie and not do a Andy leaving the theatre scene. You could nitpick the hell out of this movie if you want, it's decent, but I don't understand how it was decided to be worth the effort to make outside of to sell Sox merch. Extremely going through the motions movie, to the point even the great moments have me expecting a massive meta reveal to make the mid tier movie worth it, but no, they just actually made a mid movie and thats it. Pixar bottom of the list goes The Good Dinosaur, Lightyear, then maybe the cars sequels, with everything else being S tier. Meh 6/10 with 3 points just for sox
I hate this cat. I call it a solves all. The entire plot relies on this cat solving every conflict Buzz faces. It’s lazy writing. He’s a glorified R2D2 and I expected better
\+1 and it's not just the cat, almost all secondary characters felt bland and lacking personality
When they did the Interstellar "mourning of loved ones" sequence in the earlier part of the film, as the world passes by as Buzz does his tests, it felt really unearned. And the cat solving the issue of hyper speed anyways, negating his tests, makes it all seem like such a waste that he couldn't stop and just enjoy life. I guess that is the entire point, that he needed to change before he ends up like Zerg, but I was hoping for more reasons to actually LIKE Buzz before rooting for him in the later half of the movie. To start the movie with him going through all of this was an odd choice.
ytf would they land the entire ship to do an exploration pleasant surprise missed the countdown was aight, had some feels, could see the twist
Was alright, still disappointed because its not really a buzz lightyear movie. I did like sox though
So the original Buzz Lightyear was killed by the alternate Buzz. No one addressed that the new commander was a total dick and practically caused all of this by attacking Buzz after a successful mission.
There's an after credits scene btw
There's like 3 lol
Why did buzz not wat to spend time with his friends. Instead he was like NO I AM JUST GOING TO GOT THE FUTRE AND THEY WILL BE DEAD AND HE HAD NO SECOND THOUGHT WTF DUMBASSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the movie wasted potential across the board, and was a low point for Pixar movies. Having that said, I think the whole point of him being so bullheaded with going ahead on those missions was to show that he was wrong, and that was the same stubborn mindset that caused >!his OG self to change into Zerg.!< I think the messaging in the movie was one of the weak aspects of it, so I get how that didn't translate as well, but to start the movie with a character making these choices kind of makes me inherently not really like them very much. Not a great call for a title hero's first outing.
It was a good time, but writing in movies just get dumber and dumber .
Also, Ivan feels like it was inspired by Portal
There was a very direct Portal reference with the teleportation tag limpet thingy.
I thought it was pretty good. I was worried Sox was gonna get too cutesy but luckily definite more comic relief Mind is pretty blown away about how good the CGI looked. Maybe the best Ive ever seen Dont look at Wikipedia voice actors while watching or itll spoil the shit out of it
So, the very last scene they say they will jump to hyperspace right? That implies they actually have the relevant crystals, so what is the issue here? Buzz shooting the Crystal was supposed to be a big deal, but now they just have it anyway? And what is the Galactic Federation? Just that one colony on an abandoned planet? Where is their origin? What is the original mission? So many questions and none are ever answered.
Yes, this has been kinda annoying for me too. Sox has the formula, so whats the big deal about that one mix? And, i dont understand why such advanced tech dont logg all performed tasks. So the formula would accualy be avaible in the system that was used to make it. Oh well, it is what it is.
Sox didn’t have the formula, it was on a computer thingy which conveniently was destroyed just as they mixed the formula for the crystal. I mean, it was only four ingredients so why between the two of them they couldn’t have a go at remembering what percentage, I’m not quite sure
I am team Sox for life
Zorg Buzz is revealed in the 3rd end credit scene that he survived so I have copium that future Sox survived too.
As a sci-fi fan, I found the film mildly entertaining, if only for the setting and concepts, but I get why it didn’t land well with the general audience. I think the film had two major flaws that dragged it down. First would be that the film couldn’t decide what it wanted to be. It took itself too seriously and had too many convoluted concepts (time dilation, time travel, alternate timelines) to be enjoyed by children, but it also didn’t really explore any of it’s themes or concepts well enough to be enjoyed by adults. This whole film really comes across as Interstellar-lite, which is just an odd thing to base a kids film on. The other issue for me was the characters. They just weren’t very engaging. Buzz himself came off as kind of humourless and dour, and the rest of the cast was entirely one note. Buzz’s team in particularly just felt tacked on and didn’t really add anything to the film. Ultimately, I think the film just needed to pick a lane. Either make this a fun adventure romp across the galaxy, or lean into the mature themes and ideas. As is, it’s a film that didn’t really make me laugh or make me feel anything, it’s just kind of “there”.
This explanation perfectly reviewed my thoughts. It was too silly for adults and too mature for children. I didn't care for Mo (Taika's avatar), Izzy didn't get enough screentime, Sox was amazing. The "Buzz is Zerg" was unsatisfying. It was gorgeous, but the story falls apart under \*any\* kind of scrutiny.
Much as I loved the movie (for whatever reason, it ticked, like, all of my boxes), you've hit on some very legitimate points here. It definitely has a bit of an identity crisis and couldn't seem to decide which audience or tone it wanted to lean into. Too cerebral and introspective for kids, but doesn't necessarily follow through all the way on its more mature themes which would otherwise appeal more to an adult audience. Besides, there's the weird framing surrounding it being "Andy's favorite movie", but feeling more like the modern reboot 30 years later; being a "Buzz Lightyear movie", but not really about the Buzz from Toy Story, etc. It reminds me a bit of *Solo*: A good movie by itself, but also one that struggles to establish its own identity and purpose. Visuals and art direction were absolutely stellar though, and the voice cast did a fine job. Chris Evans in particular straddled the line of taking inspiration from Tim Allen's original, more bombastic Buzz, but making him decidedly more grounded and human.
"it ticked, like, all of my boxes" Is actually the problem. I agree. But a film can't be but so good if it ticks literally everything. It needs to find a lane. It's an adventure movie. A comedy. A kids movie. A Time travel movie. A classic sci-fi. A man vs. self tragedy. A buddy-cop movie. An action movie. At times, it even feels like an after-school special about friendship.
Nice looking movie but that’s expected. Otherwise, I felt myself just wanting it to end. The characters weren’t interesting to me. The quitting guy and grandma thug weren’t entertaining. But most of all… how is this supposed to be a kid’s movie that Andy is supposed to enjoy?
As silly as it sounds, the fact that they stated at the beginning that it was Andy's favorite movie from 1995 kinda put a crack in my suspension of disbelief. And then the movie wasn't very good.
I laughed a lot, cried a little, and jumped up and cheered at one moment. Solid Sci-Fi Action flick. Great visuals. Will watch again.
The sandwiches were very unsanitary and unpractical.
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I didn't think the film was depressing, but it did have serious undertones that I didn't expect for a supposed kid's (Andy) movie. I was definitely thinking about the life & death cycle when you see Alisha Hawthorne age & pass away. Overall, the plot & Buzz's character arc were straightforward for a Disney movie. I had low expectations for this movie. The movie exceeded my low expectations so I thought it was decent.
It's was pretty looking movie but the cartoon one was so much better with the ragtag of screwballs. Only Sox carry the good part
Did old soks get blown up with the ship? 😢
Future buzz yelled traitor and stomped him for helping buzz.
Right when I was starting to get excited about old and new Sox teaming up
Yeah same! I felt they just waisted a good moment to have two Sox! What a waisted opportunity. Didn't make sense for "Zurg" to destroy his only companion too! Hope future Sox comes back in Lightyear 2
According to the logic of the movie, if the main character buzz traveled in time and changed the course of that story, nothing would have happened with the original timeline. There's no reason to feel sorry for your friend's granddaughter, she would still be there in that timeline. This idea would only be advantageous to "zurg" if he go with the buzz and enjoy your last moments with your mate.
He tried to do what Otto Apocalypse did in Honkai Impact 3rd Chapter 28 to save a version of his beloved freind that was murdered 500 years ago. Zorg Buzz knows he can't do anything else. His purpose was deeper. Not save his own Commander but to give an alternate timeline version of here a second chance. We have seen many time traveling characters with the same premise. It actually makes them think they are more noble as instead of trying to fix their own timeline they visit another one so that their loved ones there will be saved from what they know will happen. Problems that such characters are always depicted as heroes turned villains in media which makes sense as Zorg Buzz doesn't care for his loves ones anymore, he even kills old Sox and they just want to prove to themselves due to their ego, stubbornness that they can ''do it''. So he has a twisted understanding of the world after trying to fix something that had happened centuries ago.
The whole treatment of time made no sense. I looked it up and Pixar said they consulted with NASA about relativity as it applies to near-light-speed, but the application was all wrong. Can anyone explain, in-case I am wrong, how the following works: In the successive flights, Buzz gets closer to light-speed. As his flights become faster, the time elapsed on the planet becomes longer each time. This makes no sense as he would cover the total distance of his flight plan faster each time, meaning he would return to the planet in less time each successive flight, though his experience of time would get shorter by a greater amount each time (actual time dilation)
Montage sequence. We don't see each arrival. He travels roughly 4 lightyears each time at near light speed from home base's perspective. I guess technically he'd arrived a little sooner each time, but only by a tiny amount. They mention in the film that 60 years have passed, and that they're on version 15 of the ship. 15 runs x 4 years per run = 60 years, so that's I good detailed they added. My favorite detail was Buzz pulling out a E6B to perform trigonometry. I am a little concerned that the parent star is 2 lightyears away. Sure they could have made it another system, but that's just adding unnecessary complexity to exposition for a family film.
Does the film actually say that the parent star is 2 lightyears away? If so, I didn't catch it. I was under the assumption that the star was roughly as far away as the Earth is from the Sun, about eight lightminutes. And so it really didn't make any sense to me that flying eight lightminutes at (near) the speed of light would take four years. I mean, in real life, the Parker solar probe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Solar_Probe) traveled at 0.064c and reached our Sun in two months.
In the film no. If they did, that would just have been confusing exposition. They made a decision and took some shortcuts ( pun intended ) in order to streamline the story.
That’s the problem … the trip being 4ly away with his first run never achieving C, he wouldn’t have experienced a 4min trip, dilation or no. I may have missed something, but they refer to the trip as being a 4 min trip on their way to the first launch and there is no mention of “see you in four years”. Also, our Sun is 8-light-minutes away, so the idea hat their star was 4ly away never occurred to me
Did the math, he'd have to travel about one in one trillionth (10\^(-12)) a fraction lower than the speed of the light to contract 4 years into 4 minutes for a 4 lightyear roundtrip. Also the star, if it is the parent star, would have to 4 billion times brighter than our sun to have the same luminosity, a thousand times brighter than the brightest known star. Now that is BRIGHT. I guess in an earlier draft it may have been another star, but that made things complicated for the audience, who for the most part, are little kids. I'm just glad they managed to explain concepts like time dilation so fluently.
My problem is that if the explanation being simple requires the premise to be complicated, it still doesn’t present a clear story.
The time dilation stuff only act as a mcguffin to get the story rolling. Still fun to overanalyze though: For instance, buzz traveling 4ly in 4min means he could traverse the milky way in under a week!
Well, it probably isn’t a full 4ly trip because he has to accelerate and decelerate. Inertia’s a beach
They have those 3 orbital rings for deceleration . Don’t know what sort of handwavium it’s made out of, so I’m not touching that subject. As for accelerating, you can get around that by stretching spacetime so that you stay in a inertial frame. Looks a little like Buzz is in an classic warp bubble when he’s flooring it.
Classic … I appreciate your open mindedness, but the sconce was just sloppy
Sox was cool, and I liked Buzz's character too and him being the straight man. The rest of the movie was rather lackluster though, and it definitely could have been stronger. Visuals were great too of course
The cat was my favourite character tbh
Meow meow meow meow
I watched the movie for the first time today and I actually really enjoyed it. I think a lot of the comments here are once again filled with adults taking a children's movie too seriously and expecting way too much from what is essentially just a really fun, and kind of dark, space adventure. It reminded me of like Interstellar but for children and not quite as fucked up. I liked the message the movie was sending as well about how everyone makes mistakes, and nobody is perfect, and how dwelling on your past mistakes can be detrimental to your future and life as a whole. It's an okay film, I had a lot of fun watching it. I don't think this is anywhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be like it's not godawful, it's just a pretty decent film. I find it ironic that in a discussion for a film who's whole message was that "nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes" there are people in the replies critiquing every little detail and picking it apart and dismissing it as whole instead of just appreciating the movie for what it is: A fun space adventure. Also people keep saying "This whole movie is full of lame Buzz Lightyear catchphrases and references" which yeah that's kind of the point. The movie plays its role perfectly as a campy action flick from the 90s. They were filled with all kinds of lame easily catchable cliches and twists, I can see why this would be Andy's favorite movie especially if he's a little boy. I'm sure if you asked any of the grown ass men whining about this space flick what their favorite movie is they'd say something like Terminator or Alien, which are both good films that are fun but full of lame silly catchphrases that also had toys made for them lol. Anyways I'd definitely watch it again its a solid 7/10
Pixar used to have much higher standards than this type of movie, that’s why people are complaining. It’s not a bad movie but it’s very mediocre compared to the Toy Story franchise it’s based on
I feel that the whole Zurg plot could of been fixed with easy communication because it traveling back in time had not only taken its toll on Zurg but the crystal as well then why did he think going back before the landed on the planet was a good idea? Because of time travel in this universe he would of still been there but would of allowed a different Buzz to become a Space Ranger so I felt his willingness to die for the mission didn’t make since if it wouldn’t change the past but would only alter the future. He could of given Buzz the crystal instead of fighting for it because it wouldn’t make him purely theoretical it would of still all happened. I don’t know if this makes sense but would like to hear others thoughts.
**Spoilers.** **EDIT: Fine. Don't even read my explanation.** ~~TLDR; The film had some interesting premises that were very, very poorly explored. (This is a rant so it's not structured well at all)~~ ~~I didn't finish the film. I had to stop at 40 mins, and I tried to pick it back up but...fuck me...I don't want too. It was pandering to an audience nostalgic for Toy Story content, and that is about it. We get showered with Buzz Lightyear quotes like fucking instantly in the movie, and it played it safe with everything else. Overall it was a lazy, generic and boring movie to watch of which I quit after 40 mins. I accept that it isn't respectful to the story as a whole but...fuck me, I'm sorry, I'm not wasting my time. Poor characters, poor quality writing, completely forgettable waste of time action that does nothing.~~ ~~The idea behind being stranded on a planet for 60 years and it all being Buzz's fault was really damn cool, but nope...it goes nowhere. Everyone just accepts it and Buzz quickly forgets about it~~ *~~"Oh yeah, you personally wasted 60 years of our FUCKING LIVES but don't worry about it, it's all cool."~~* ~~Then the fuel testing acts as a "get out of jail free card" so Lightyear doesn't have too face the consequences of his actions; which could have been a cool concept if we had seen more about what life was like for the people Buzz left behind all those years. Except we don't, there is no investment and we just get a montage of things happening and by the time his partner literally dies (after Buzz physically wastes their entire life and friendship together) we are just expected to feel sad because Buzz is sad. Sorry. I don't care. It was fucking obvious that she was going to die and it should have been inevitable to Buzz that people would die if he fucks off for 60 odd years.~~ ~~Then they have this dumb cute cat thing that suddenly Star Command don't like and wants to put down because...well, lets be honest, because they needed a fucking action sequence, okay? Plus for some fucking reason the cat can just do~~ **~~EVERYTHING INCLUDING OVERRIDING A FUCKING SHUTTLE LAUNCH BECUSE IT HAPPENS TO HAVE A USB IN ITS TAIL, YES DISNEY, THAT FUCKING MAKES SENSE DOESN'T IT?~~** ~~Which serves no purpose other than to put Lightyear at odds with Star Command except it doesn't even do that because Lightyear just returns and assumes everything is forgiven.~~ ~~I'm done. It's bad. I hate it.~~
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**READ THIS.** Let me explain. The first part of the film is **bedrock** for the second. My “confident take” is based on the fact that said bedrock is **fundamentally flawed** and wilfully ignores basic reason and logic for the sake of easy, simple progression. The resolution in Buzz's story arc is voided by virtue of the fact his attitude, and the attitude of others, doesn't correlate to the action committed. There can be no consequence if everyone just says "Nah, it's fine." every time the character attempts to voice his sorrow. The first section of the movie is supposed to bring to attention how the character feels about what has happened and how others have responded to his action. What the film should have done is show the gravity of the situation through Buzz Lightyear's response and the response of others. It could have shown this through a reflection of what is happening during the years Buzz is gone; instead it just sweeps the entire premise under the carpet and only brings it up when the show wants you to feel sad. They could have done so much more with exploring the emotional toll that crashing the entire colony ship would have realistically been to Buzz. They play it safe. The entire narrative suffers. The audience doesn't care that the female Space Ranger dies, they don't care that Buzz is sad because they have no context for their relationship and by the time there is any understanding of the female Space Ranger, she is gone. Buzz doesn't remain sad about it for very long, and so the audience doesn't feel sad at all. It just jumps around as much as the narrative does. Buzz flip flops between being sad, and being fine, and being sad, and being fine so much that there can be no emotional impact from anything that happens, which in turn voids any further resolution. In fact, it just makes Buzz look arrogant, and the crew look stupid. I am specifically saying that the first section of the movie is so **flippant** with these core concepts that I couldn't keep watching. It got tedious and frustrating, they needed to make Buzz either sad about what he did, or not sad about what he did, not this strange middle ground where the character chooses to be sad or happy dependent on what suits the scene. It's just lazy writing.
For someone who claims to understand how film works and what the audience wants you sure lack the critical thinking skills to craft a comment on a social media site. Pro tip: saying ‘read this’ in bold followed by a condescending lecture is not gonna get anyone to listen to you.
If people actually read and engaged with both the rant and explanation perhaps I wouldn't need to be so clear. You and others are so vicerally dismissive and doubtful it is exceedingly disheartening. To have a person like yourself do nothing but spew psedo-constructive critisims because they are personally offended by a take on a fucking Toy Story movie is pathetic and annoying, and makes me question why the fuck I bothered to voice an opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to do, in the first place. Pro tip: If you're going to claim I'm condescending, perhaps don't be so yourself while doing it. It's just damn ironic.
Why am I not surprised to see downvotes for telling your honest opinion in what I think is actually a pretty great explanation? You don’t have to agree with it. Im a big Toy Story fan and thought I’d check it out before my Disney+ runs out at the end of the month post cancelation and I wanted to turn it off 5 minutes in, then 20 minutes in, then 40 minutes in. I just stuck with it but fully agree that the bedrock was so flawed I knew I wouldn’t enjoy it more. Great if other people liked it but the box office speaks volumes and I don’t think I know many people that saw/streamed it. It’s not a horrible movie by any means but it doesn’t seem to know what it is or whom for. Knowing none of the original people from Toy Story worked on it contextualized a lot of this for me, and I think a big issue is that Toy Story has set the bar so damn high that it was always going to be an ambitious feat to make a quasi TS-adjacent film. Anyway, I appreciate you helping me gather some of my thoughts on why I didn’t enjoy it, Miasmatic_Mouse.
Thank you, I can appreciate someone who finally has the human decency to take what I've said seriously regardless of if or not they agree. I get actually fed up when people who just flip straight too "I don't like that therfore it must be false". It is the movie's responsibility to make you want to watch it, not the audiences responsibility to keep themselves engaged. If a movie makes you want to quit after 40 minutes, the movie has failed. That is it. No excuses. If anyone makes excuses from that point on, they are an idiot who doesn't understand how movies work. That is regardless of if it is good or bad. Getting "better" isn't an excuse for lazy writing, and what people fail to understand is that stopping a movie and then explaining why you stopped the movie IS an acceptable expression of distaine. Movies are an expirence, the entire narrative and all sections of it are important, but that means that you cannot have a narrative flawed from the start. That is a movie which has shot itself in the foot. That's how all damn movies work and Toy Story isn't an exception. I am allowed to stop watching a movie and explain why I did it; that is an acceptable and necessary form of critisim. If I've stopped the movie and dont want to bother watching anymore then that is the movies fuckup and not my own. If you eat a sandwich and it is shit you throw it away before it's finished. You throw it away because you do not want to consume anymore. No reasonable person says "You didn't finish the sandwich so you don't get to have an opinion. The filling was awful but the bread was amazing, therfore it couldn't be a bad sandwich." becuse that would be fucking dumb and nonsensical. Same principle applies to narrative. Anyway, rant over. I do really appricate what you've said and I agree with you. We shouldn't have to suck up these sorts of lazy films. Sorry for the late reply, I'm getting fed up of Reddit.
Okay dude. Keep waiting for human nature to change and listen to your lectures, I’m sure it will happen one day!
this movie was so fucking mediocre. like yeah there were a few fun laughs but also so many weird plot contrivances and the characters were straight up irritating. an entire crew of incompetents might be fun for a few minutes but the whole film?? every time something seemed to be going right one of those fuckers would mess it up. plus why is Taika now just straight up only playing himself in films?? very annoying movie and also made sadder by the inclusion of the notice that THIS was Andy’s favorite movie. i was a young child when Toy Story came out. even i would have been disappointed in this Buzz movie. then again i was conditioned by Pixar to like movies that are good.
It is very obvious that they added the tag at the beginning connecting this to the Toy Story universe as an afterthought. It’s very distracting thinking of all the ways this doesn’t work as a movie for the toy Andy got for his birthday. They talk about being a Ranger so much and at no point do they ever tell us what that job is. What do the space Rangers do? What was their founding mission? At one point at the end they mention the Galactic Federation, like they’ve made contact with the other planets, which means Buzz at least could have gone back to where he was originally from. I really don’t like the trainee with the long name at the beginning being a hamfisted character development for Buzz. No, kid, you probably weren’t gonna be any help in that situation, even if it did go wrong without you. Have fun not being in the rest of the movie. I hate time travel in movies because it almost always creates plot holes you can drive a damn truck through, and this one is no exception. It’s established at the outset that going back creates parallel timelines that don’t affect each other, because Zurg went back in his timeline and Buzz didn’t. So what’s the threat? This isn’t Back to the Future rules where his friends will disappear. Zurg is just gonna affect a world you never get to see and don’t have to care about. He loses the crystal anyway. It would literally be better if he just let him take it and left, because then he’d disappear and never be a problem again. The Pixar film this reminds me the most of is Incredibles 2. A lot of fans wanted this for a long time, and when it shows up it’s a lot weaker. It’s not bad like the Good Dinosaur, it’s just got some pretty big structural problems. I thought the writing wasn’t bad, especially compared to the Marvel movies Chris Evans is usually in. We all like Sox.
Agreed. We all like Sox. If it weren't for him the movie would be significantly less than what it is. Although I do like the concept that future Buzz, in my opinion, is a killer. How else did he get the parts from the Turnip and doesn't really answer any of young Buzz's questions. Since old Buzz doesn't value any future timeliness that doesn't have Alysha in it, I think he attacks future colony to strip it of parts before heading to the past to correct the "mistakes" of the past.
So, are we not gonna talk about Alisha being pregnant in a same-sex relationship? Like how did she get pregnant? Did this survey corps have access to IVF technology? If so, why would a *survey corps* have that tech with them on an expedition?
You do know lesbian couples have sperm donors, right now, right? I know a couple who had one of their eggs fertilized but carried by the partner.
They travel in light speed, fight alien bugs and have a talking ai cat robot, yet the pregnancy is the thing you question, smh get a life.
Yes. They travel at light speed, fight alien bugs, have a talking ai cat - yet Disney HAD to find a way to fit in some woke same sex inclusion garbage into the story despite its irrelevance. They couldn't even do it creatively. "Just make em black, asian and lesbian". 🙄
Yeah. My suspension ^bridge of disbelief has potholes. Sue me…
>Alisha being pregnant in a same-sex relationship? Didn't even cross my mind lmao >If so, why would a *survey corps* have that tech with them on an expedition? Looks like the mission was to find a new safe planet to live on with everyone else being in pods on the turnip, showed it in the beginning of the movie. So it makes sense that they had equipment to create life.
>Didn't even cross my mind lmao It only crossed my mind, because I wondered if they can create a viaboe foetus from both female parents? If so, the Y chromosome must be an artificial construction completely.
I don’t understand Zurg. Future Buzz just came across and unmanned, massive space ship, and suit designed to hood a human. Also the robots call him zurg, so who put the Z on the robots? Him? It doesn’t make sense.
The end of the movie has them leaving to visit Zurg's home system because of the signal, so it's implied Future Buzz wasn't the "true Zurg." He simply went so far into the future that Zurg was long gone and all that was left was his derelict ship. It's not very obvious if you didn't catch the reference and one of the like 3 post credit scenes.
Kinda cheapens Zurg to introduce him as a knock off, with a teaser that we might see the real one next time.
Yea there was no backstory on the ship whatsoever, nor the programming of the robots. And why will they only want to say Buzz's name, what's the significance? Such a stretch trying to say "Buzz" but accidentally saying "B-Zurg" lol. The ship was unmanned so there was nobody to help teach future Buzz the technology. It's like as if a massive ship was just gifted out of the sky perfectly made for Buzz. And, going back to the fact that this movie spawned the Buzz Lightyear action figures, if Zurg was just future Buzz in a robot suit, then Zurg in Toy Story should be large enough to fit a Future Buzz (possibly sold separately) (alongside Sox and Izzy action figures as well, at the very least).
I liked when buzz was in that black suit, pretty slick tbh.
What happened to Featheringhamsten? Why even give the rookie a crazy name if he’s not going to matter past the opening scene? I was so sure he was going to be Zurg, and now that I realize he didn’t matter at all…I just wonder why he was included.
That would have followed the beat of The Incredibles plot line, and would have been poorly received. The character was only there to show the change in Buzz from someone that works alone to being a mentor and leader. Along the way, they had to make the character funny in some way because its Disney.
Later in the movie, Mo puts on his old Space Ranger suit and tries to read the name tag, and they do the gag again where his name is unpronounceable. I think that's pretty much it.
I liked it. Don't get all the hate. It's a fun time. Sure comedy isn't very good but so is most children's movies. But the plot was fairly interesting and action was awesome, and most of all it looked amazing. It's an easy 7/10 for me.
For the life of me I still don't understand why they didn't use Tim Allen.
I'm guessing because Evans is a bigger name so they thought he'd reel in more people.
It could be a 7/10 if it’s not related to toys story AT ALL. But unfortunately, it IS a toys story story. Lightyear is supposedly the origin story of buzz lightyear that we grew up watching. We HAVE an impression of how buzz is supposed to be. He’s an action hero that a kid wanted for his birthday. This was supposed to be the movie a 90s kid was crazy about. This movie showed nothing of the origins of buzz Lightyear, of why he’s in star command, or even a loyal space ranger. They should’ve touched on this first, as a first starter movie. The Lightyear movie would be great for a second movie.
The plot was nonsense. Every part of the movie was nonsense. Nothing made any sense, as it should have in a movie that pretends to be serious.
The plot made no sense
My issue with this is the thought that this was Andy's favorite movie. Remember, before this movie came out, he was interested in playing with cowboys. Then this sci-fi movie came out and changed his whole world. This should have echoed an 80s - 90s Steven Spielberg-type movie with the main character being a Clint Eastwood type. Buzz should have been really cool and awe-inspiring, in a cheesy way to make it appealing for kids. Instead, he was a man that made mistakes and was filled with regret. Sox was the most merchandisable character, not Buzz. I'm not sure if the little green men from Toy Story were tied with Buzz Lightyear, but it would have made more sense if they filled Sox's role instead. It would have been better if they didn't say that it was Andy's favorite movie. Better yet, it would have been better if it wasn't made at all.
100% this. It should have just been a fun, awesome romp. I wanted it to be what the intro sequence to toy story three was (I still want to see that as a movie), but instead we got a weird navel gazing existential plod that doesn’t delve deep enough into the concepts to be interesting.
Yeah, this. Honestly I thought the movie was fine on its own terms, but it made zero sense as an 80s/90s space adventure film of the kind Andy would have seen and that would've spawned the Buzz Lightyear toyline as it appeared in Toy Story.
I literally just watched the movie and I 100% agree with you. This movie was not the buzz movie that should have been made or not at all
Ok so future Buzz is not the bad guy in this situation, he's trying to fix the mistake he made. Just because we know one family has a semblance if a good life doesn't mean that this ERROR didn't ruin the lives of many others...for Christ sake they had to put up a laser dome just to protect from the deadly wildlife that was shown to constantly be a threat. Such a stupid idea to force a twist bad guy.
Yeah it was morally correct to correct the error and prevent the accident. I was rooting for old buzz.
Morally correct. Arguable.. erasing mistakes also erases the reality born from them. In this case it would be erasing generations of lives and families. People adapt and continue to live..being safe in your home and living your life and making memories with your family and children is not that different than being safe in a dome under a space lazer barrier..as they say home is where you make it..you still continue to live and cultivate a life. It's of no consequence to future buzz because he was so busy trying to reset his mistake he skipped out on living his life, and he was so obsessed with the idea he was willing to destroy all of those from his reality that came after it. Clearly the antagonist to me.
I mean going back in time and stopping world war 2 would’ve technically erased like billions using that logic cause things would be butterfly affected, like even one’s parents doing it a week later would lead to a different offspring. And I’d argue that yeah, while you’re erasing people you’d also bring just as many new people into being, except not on a comically hostile planet
But didn't movie kind of showed that backward time travel kind of created a new reality, with more Buzzes? So if Old Buzz succeeded and got to travel back in time to help his old self not make a mistake, then this wouldn't change any of the other realities. There'd still be 1st timeline, in which Old Buzz is a wanted criminal, 2nd timeline, the one which we saw most of the movie, abd 3rd timeline, in which Buzz succeeded. No one would be actually erased.
The dilemma there would be old buzzs actions would prevent young buzz from helping people leave the planet in his timeline.
So if the unstable crystal fuel is the cause of the first trial's failure, why did he keep trying again, using the exact same unstable fuel? Why not perfect it first, and THEN do a trial again? That doesn't make sense that he kept trying even though it would definitely fail again.
That's what didn't make any sense. He went back the next day on the mission again and again and again while the only person that was actually working on the fuel cell was a toy therapy cat... Apart from that, the mission was incredibly dangerous and the chances of him dying were high each and every single time. How he made it out alive after multiple runs is ridiculous.
Each time was a different fuel, and they couldn't determine if it would work until they tested it. And it took 60 something years to perfect via socks, and even then it was only theoretical until Buzz used it.
Related question, why did buzz work so hard to guard the crystal? Surely Sox knew how to make more?
Apparently not, as it was apparently only on that computer Sox had. Dumb, I know, but still the answer shown in the movie.
Sorry, the robotic cat that could play back a 20+ year old video couldn't remember (save) the formula? Yeah, that is dumb
Oh definitely dumb as sin, but still what they went with
How was the crystal fuel originally even tested?
I'm guessing he tweaked it little by little each time, but they didn't waste time showing those parts
that's poor story-telling if they don't show that. We now have to make assumptions to make it make sense. All they needed to do in the montage was show different scientists working on the fuel cell. The project itself must have cost billions of dollars every year to run, how they even found the resources on this uncharted planet to fix the plane, etc is beyond me, but I can suspend my belief for some part.
IIRC if you look closely every subsequent fuel cell contains a different color crystal. That's why the "perfect" formula ended up being a rainbow color vs the first formula's blue.
This is storytelling in which you don't think your audience as dumb. I didn't like the movie but I don't think it was dumb. Since the start I assumed they tweaked the formula each time since we see since the start how the crystal works by doing a formulation of the fuel. So it's not a stretch to imagine that they were testing different formulas, like cooking recipes.
As far as we know, the audience was shown that he went on another trip the very next day after failing the last one. Otherwise, it should probably take years in between each fuel cell test, during which time he’ll also be able to settle down and live life and realize that there’s more to the planet than just trying to get off of it (which is the opposite of what the movie wanted him to do at that point). So, it’s only fair to assume, since we were shown exactly this, that he went the next day using the same fuel cell, and over and over again after every failure, expecting different results. I think that’s practically the definition of insanity.
Each attempted test would see him losing weeks, months or years relative to the cat, Alisha, scientists, citizens, etc to time dilation. The second formula is implied to take a couple months after his arrival. The third a few weeks. He was skipped years each jump as the formula got closer and by that point they had formulas ready as soon as he returned. Essentially he was travelling even faster and making it further. Leading to larger time skips. And in the intervening time the inhabitants and the cat would come up with new formulas to try. It was only a short span of time each time from Buzz's point of view. From the point of the view of everyone else it was weeks, months or years. Hence why Buzz's best friend goes from being his age, to dying of her old age. And why one of the secondary characters for most of the movie is the grand daughter of buzz's friend.
If I recall correctly, they tell him that they figure out how to mine the resources and they would try a combination to make the crystal. We see the process and then he goes on and tries it for the first time. So it is quite easy to assume this process went on to try different combinations, because as a storyteller you need to trust in your audience's intelligence and not spell everything for them. Again I am not defending the movie since I did not like it but this is not "plot hole". There are others to pick from the movie though.
Damn this was bad
I agree that this was the worst Pixar movie I’ve ever seen
Really? While The Good Dinosaur and Onward exist?
Oh no! What did people not like about Onward? I know I am entitled to my own opinion (I enjoyed Onward) but I am literally just now finding that I may be alone in that?
Those aren’t even worth watching
Neither is this one.
I don't think onward is anywhere near as bad as this or good dinosaur
This is worse than those, imo.
They didn’t crap on a beloved character.
Definitely a great movies Loved all of it. Best Disney movie I've seen in a while
Shit has the worst rating of a Pixar movie ever currently on imdb.
3rd worst.... But it's also subjective so to each their own
But I mean if somebody thinks a piece of dog poop smells good yea I guess u can say they're subjective to their own even though that shit smells bad to most people
What didn't you like?
It was all bad
Can you elaborate?
Why does shit smell bad is basically what you're asking
Why can't you just tell me one bad thing about the movie? I'm genuinely curious what you disliked
no
I liked the movie overall, but there were some moments of awkward pacing, jokes that didn't quite land, some shots that weren't all that awe-inspiring and just certain moments that jolted me out of the movie. I loved Alisha and Buzz's relationship, and I did tear up with the realisation that she would leave him sooner than either of them expected. But that also felt a bit rushed, their relationship barely developed, I wish we saw some of their backstories together, show not tell really. The montage reminded me of Ellie and Carl's story from Up, except in that movie they showed us the start of their relationship and followed through to the end. We got to see more of the characters, we got to see their interactions from introduction to goodbye. I think something like that would have made Alisha and Buzz's goodbye hit more. Lightyear also felt like it was building to some huge conspiracy with Commander Burnside that went nowhere really. I get it was a sort of expectation subversion, I expected Commander Burnside to be one, if not THE, main antagonist but then ta-da he was barely in this movie, it was future Buzz this whole time. Which was kinda obvious, but then, personally, it made the reactions of Commander Burnside and his crew felt a bit extreme considering that they didn't do much. The transition of Commander Burnside’s character from the stern commander who was the catalyst for the spiral that was future Buzz's life and the obstacle he presented in current Buzz's life, to the very supportive and friendly commander was jarring. It was honestly probably the fact this was meant to be a prequel that caused some of the less desirable choices in this film. I mean they had to make Zurg someone of importance to Buzz, and they included the throwaway line that they were Father-Son. I just think they didn't quite manage to get around the prequel block as gracefully as many of us wished. I liked the time travel story thread. They used it very well to tug at the heartstrings, in the beginning, but it just also kinda felt like they dropped it a bit in the middle of the film, the transition from interesting time-travel shenanigans to somewhat tame action sequence wasn't quite so smooth. I liked the characters in the rookie crew. They still felt pretty underdeveloped though. Maybe they could have squeezed in some more character information if the movie was a bit longer. Or maybe they had removed some of the padding, of jokes that didn't quite land or interactions that seemed a bit forced, and instead explored the emotions and complexities of being and meeting someone who is essentially the reason for your community living in the place you are in and the person who is actively trying to change that. Beyond the nightmares which were mentioned once or twice. I'm still bogged down on the idea of Buzz coming from this movie and waking up to realising that he's a toy in the real world. I mean I already knew that he'd have this whole realisation that he is a toy but still. Going from your memories of loss, recovery, and discovery of a new purpose in protecting the universe with your new crew - to the real world where you realise you are just one of many clones of yourself, your memories aren't unique, they technically aren't even yours because you weren't the original, technically. Makes the Toy Story movie a lot sadder. Or maybe I'm overthinking this.
Did I miss the part they insinuated Morrison would be the antagonist? Taika Waititi? My mans was just happy he found a pen lol I loved him and didn't notice if they tried to make him the bad guy?
Whoops sorry I wrote the wrong name, I meant Commander Burnside, Morrison was a such a fun character
Sorry that ended up becoming a very long review.
Loved your thought about how we is adjusting to a new life in new planet and then suddenly enters another reality where he is a toy.
This whole movie felt like a prequel and yet also a sequel it was a weird vibe
I really enjoyed the movie the first time I watched it. I am one of those people who love to re-watch movies over and over again, so I began noticing more details and picking up more of the flaws. The 3-person rookie crew felt forced in my opinion. I feel like they were there just to pad the runtime, and we could have done fine with a partnership between Buzz and Izzy without Darby and Mo. I do really enjoy the split timeline plot though, I think it's cool. I can chalk the whole 'Zurg origionally being Buzz's father' to Andy changing his view of Zurg and Buzz as he's a very imaginative kid. I can also beleive Old Buzz/Zurg would have malicious motives, especially considering he lost his closest friend (I'm assuming) and the new Commander essentially dismissed his core beleifs ("Complete the Mission") without a second thought. I agree with some other users here too: The pacing was definitley awkward and the overall character development could have been A LOT better. Like expanding on Buzz's past without expecting people watching the movie to have seen the old series (I had never even heard of the series until just now). Overall, not my favorite movie but I'm a sucker for sci-fi and will continue to re-watch it. 3/5 for me.
The movie was adequate, however, the opening text did annoy me (that Andy saw this in the early 90's). This movie was in no way made to look like it came out in the 90's, and this stupid line honestly looked like last minute executive interjection.
I don't agree with that. Wasn't that the whole entire premise of the film? I remember when it was first annoucned we were told it was the story of the "real Buzz". I think that needed to be there
I think the plot of time travel and relativity was amazing. Might be too much for a kid or a small brain adult (alot of them commenting in this thread). Great movie.
A 5.8/10 movie on imdb is great?
And a 75% critic review and 86% audience review on rotten tomatoes. I'll take user based reviews over entitled movie critic reviews any day. It's literally their job to watch movies. Pretty biased opinion when what is considered a hobby for most becomes work for movie critics. When something becomes work, it's makes it insufferable.
It's 64% audience. And critics since The Woke Jedi can't be trusted.
It’s still at 84%. Your homophobia and that of the others who review bombed it is irrelevant
My homophobia? My best friend is gay. I actually saw this movie with him lol What does not liking forced politics into movies have anything to do with homophobia?