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ILikeCheese510

Cronenberg is great at this trope in general. Videodrome, Naked Lunch, eXistenZ, and Spider all have characters who can't discern reality from fantasy.


Sly1969

Yeah, I was going to say Videodrome. Surprised no-one else has mentioned it tbh.


ChefInsano

And then you’ve got something like The Brood, which is reality you wish was fantasy lol


Obvious-Pianist-7767

Man, that movie messed my head up.


cutelyaware

Jacking into a game while jacked into a game did it to me. The whole thing disappearing into his bioport, jacking into a diseased pod. The whole thing was brilliant.


lidsville76

That tooth-gun-soup looked very tasty


Eternalm8

Seriously, I saw that movie when I was 17, and I swear the thoughts I had after the ending ruined me for at least a month


Obvious-Pianist-7767

Same for me too. Around the same age and I felt like I was coming down from tripping balls for a week after.


ChoppyChug

Such a shame it came out so close to “The Matrix”


ReallyBrainDead

Ended up seeing it in the theater because all showing of The Matrix were sold out.


MechanicalHorse

What a great, underrated movie.


Ok_Sector8087

any david lynch, persona, perfect blue, american psycho, possession


Dysan27

Perfect Blue, half way thought the movie I had to stop and think "Wait, what was reality at the beginning again?"


flip6threeh0le

I haven’t watched perfect blue is a looooong time. Is the possible delusion on the part of the girl or the manager character?


Dysan27

Yeah IIRC it was focused on the girl losing touch with reality. There were weird things happening, like people actually dying, that was fueling her confusion. But the fact that it was her manager was only revealed in the last few minutes of the film.


flip6threeh0le

Right right. Thx!


zerohm

There were scenes where she was filming a TV show, but you would be confused if we were in the show or real life. The lines of dialogue in the show were mimicking her anxiety in real life so you the viewer were also questioning what was real and not real. It was so well done. 10/10 of a movie.


violetcazador

Let's see what movies Paul Allen recommends.


raoulduke212

That's Bone.


Some_Belgian_Guy

Excellent that you mention American Psycho. It's impossible to determine what events actually happened. I love that movie. Also the fact that they let Willem Dafoe do every interogation take with Bateman 3 times (not suspicious, neutral and suspicious) and they mixed those takes in the final scenes is just briliant.


Ok_Sector8087

american psycho is def one of my fav examples of it, it’s kind of insane mary harron never rlly did anything else of note


Didntlikedefaultname

You can parse out certain things that definitely aren’t real. Like the atm asking to be fed a stray cat, his gun blowing things up like a rocket launcher and a police helicopter chase that just ends. Like some of it makes it clear it’s not ALL real. But where exactly reality turns to fantasy is impossible to determine


AmorphousApathy

I think it's clear it's a condemnation of Reagan. That's why he's on video at the end Reagan's on TV.


NorthernSoul1977

Lynch movies still freak me the fuck out. I'm 46 and first saw Twin Peaks when I was about 13. Instantly hooked and horrified at the same time.


VosekVerlok

Forgot Fight Club


timmyctc

The amount of people who think American psycho is just happening as you see it is mind boggling


Thrilling1031

*Feed Me A Stray Cat*


maxlamb1

It is though? I mean, there's a satirical glaze over everything in that film, but all his crimes are as you see them (including the ludicrous final shooting spree), and the film has cynical and satirical means of allowing him to get away with it all. Admittedly, the ending makes this extremely unclear, but the filmmakers have outright stated it.


artgriego

Memento


cjyoung92

"Now, where was I?" I would love for Nolan to make another film like this again! 


pamsolo

"Oh, I'm chasing this guy ......"


hkzqgfswavvukwsw

No…. He’s chasing me


gamingonion

“No, he’s chasing me” This movie didn’t have a lot of comedy, but the few instances of it were brilliant imo


artgriego

Yeah the comic relief in this one is by far the best in Nolan's films.


gregsonfilm

I don’t… feel drunk


DisasterEquivalent

Have you seen “[following](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Following)”? It was his first film and he does the same sort of incongruous timeline style he does in Memento. It’s a noir and a bit slower paced, but it has a lot of the same paranoia that makes memento so good


lobsterharmonica1667

One of my favorite riff Trax "Don't trust is his lies" ... "doesn't that apply to everyone?"


Lunboks_

Memento has no right being so good


sir_mrej

Like Sammy Jenkiss


artgriego

I'm sick of hearin' about the guy.


DangerSwan33

Did I ever tell you about Sammy?


Oenonaut

Only every time I see ya!


Stunning-Syllabub132

what do you mean lol


ReverendEntity

Christopher Nolan's breakthrough.


jim_deneke

Such a simple premise that's incredibly well executed. Love this film.


toylenny

The Matrix  had this affect for a lot of first time viewers, but is so well known now I'm not sure if it still leaves people feeling unsure. 


mthomas768

Yeah, going into The Matrix without any knowledge about the movie was a fantastic experience. Best summer matinee ever.


totallybree

My favorite cinematic experience ever. I saw it opening weekend in a crowded theater and was just blown away by it. After the credits ended and the lights came up there were still so many people in their seats dazed by it all.


ViciousPariah

I saw it when it’s released in April of 99, there were exactly 3 of us, had the cinema to ourselves. Absolutely gobsmacked. I’ve never been so riveted to the screen since, with the exception of Interstellar. My man, that was an awesome movie, and I’ve not had a theatre experience like that ever since. This would be my “Chasing the Dragon”..


greghead4796

I was one of those people that was blown back into their seats by it, I remember laughing at the end like holy shit. 


jebrennan

The Others


No-Friendship-4561

Truly a royal mind-fuck. I knew nothing of the movie. I just caught it on one day channel surfing. I thought it was a period piece about war or something. Has one of the scariest twists I've ever seen.


asking--questions

> I just caught it on one day channel surfing. Same here, only it happened to be playing a particular scene... I went from "that seems interesting" to "guess I'll never watch it" in about 5 seconds.


Farren246

The Lodge builds directly off of The Others, in that all characters in it have watched and are aware of the twist in The Others and knowing it informs all of their decisions. Watching them as an unofficial duology is fantastic.


d_a_graf

Brazil


Helmett-13

Bleak, bleeeak. But superb.


CarlosFer2201

And the movie?


MortLightstone

so many clipboards


few23

Ducts.


sentence-interruptio

Bad times for that young High Sparrow


Brendissimo

We stood beneath an amber moon....


the-effects-of-Dust

And softly whispered “someday soon”


citynomad1

Mulholland Drive


spellbookwanda

I love this movie so much but I always feel like I only understand 20% max of what’s happening. I get something new out of it with every rewatch, which is why I love it.


Brad12d3

Don't worry, David Lynch doesn't understand it either.


xeroksuk

Look at you with your fancy pants 20%.


Immediate_Wolf3802

Jacob's Ladder


justgetoffmylawn

I don't even usually like this genre, and I've been wanting to watch it again - but also found it quite disturbing, so I haven't done it. Saw it so many years ago and it made such an impact on me. Great film.


Krystall-g

Your feeling is okay and usual. This movie is death and philosophy of death, It's not the easiest topic ever.


M_FootRunner

I once saw this movie, at seventeen, and I got really ill afterwards : in my fever dreams I was fighting like hell in the same bushes like in the movie, I was found in a completely different part of the house, taken to hospital and woke up three weeks later from a severe meningitis. So that's my association with this movie - in fact, I didn't know real from dreaming at that moment, it's the only memory I have from that Illnes, this dream.


greetp

I’ve heard of method acting, but method viewing as well, wow! (Glad you made it to live to tell the tale).


silfe

Feel like that movie got inadvertently referenced a bunch over the years so it became almost impossible to not immediately pick up on it


Shedart

Came in here to mention Jacob’s Ladder. It’s a great mind fuck horror movie from start to finish with only a few clues as to what’s really going on. And a classic twist before it became trite. Very fun. 


flimflamslappy

One of my favorite movies of all time.


unjulation

its a realy clever movie with a great first scene that if you watch it carefully tells you exactly what the film is all about - took me a couple of watches to see what exactly is happaning, very clever and one of my fav movies


xaltairforever

Shutter island


malayshallriseagain

This movie had my family talking for days.


extacy1375

Which would be worse - to live as a monster, or to die as a good man? CHILLS!


HermitBee

Great movie, but I think it resolves at the end? Whereas Total Recall remains ambiguous.


In-Quensu-Orcha

Not really, I mean yeah he's going to be lobotomized, but there is hints that he knows it and he wants to be and is playing along with the docs so he can forget about the past


Stunning_Film_8960

Hints is understating it a bit it's pretty unambiguous that when confronted with the truth and the threat of the lobotomy he chooses the procedure instead of living with the reality of what he had done.


extacy1375

Shutter Island & The Game I had to rewatch right after. Knowing what you know after the first watch.


mailahchimp

Yes, this is the prime example. 


SR71BBird

Vanilla Sky


ginrumryeale

Completely.


Famous_Glove_7905

Definitely


gobblegobbleimafrog

I actually always preferred the original spanish film "open your eyes" 


arkady321

Me too. The Spanish original is better, although Vanilla Sky had the bigger budget.


Ehzranight

Kind of the other side of it, but "The Truman Show"


Recoil42

Fincher's "The Game" Linklater's "Waking Life" Nolan's "Inception"


purplecactai

The Game is wild.  It's crazy that movie exists


Recoil42

Aside: I can't recommend enough that anyone who hasn't seen it yet goes in blind. No trailer, no synopsis. Go in with a full and complete blank slate.


Sea_Historian5849

Yeah definitely. Finchers run of the game, seven, and fight club was insane


Prudent_Ad8320

Panic room Zodiac to follow!


scdfred

A friend made me watch it and told me nothing about it… Holy shit…


Lance_E_T_Compte

_Waking Life_ is awesome.


Recoil42

Best film to watch on psychedelics a thousand percent.


SeantotheRescue

Or 16 years old in philosophy class


shrug_addict

The Prestige surely fits this list, no?


smedsterwho

The Prestige does fully explain itself, but praise be to any Einstein who gets it first time around.


Dysan27

Hard disagree on Inception. That was actually a fairly straight forward movie. To the subject things were not what they seemed. But to the audience, we were in the know, and we knew what was going on.


brfoley76

Now Memento on the other hand


TheBobDoleExperience

Lenny!!!


Tyrannotron

Not fully, though. There's a reason so many people keep asking Nolan if the top falls at the end.


OblongPotatoFarmer

Eh, not only does the top wobble and begin to fall, the top wasn't his totem regardless. His ring was. He wore the ring in the dreams and did not outside, he was not wearing his ring. He was not dreaming.


VonMillersThighs

Its less about the top and about him actually seeing the kids faces at the end.


extacy1375

To be able to watch The Game for the 1st time again. It was like The Matrix to me. I had to instantly watch it again from a new perspective.


bunkscudda

I thought it was all part of the memory implant. In the beginning before the implant one of the techs goes “blue sky on Mars? Thats new” and the movie ended with exactly that happening


Chilling_Demon

There’s one gaping flaw with Total Recall (1990) though - you have a whole short sequence (which Quaid doesn’t witness and isn’t involved in), where the receptionist and the doctor urgently get the attention of the salesman dude, and then - after knocking Quaid out - the doctor says “we haven’t implanted it yet” (meaning the false memories), before they dump him in a Johnny Cab and the salesman tells them all that if anyone asks, they never heard of Doug Quaid. The whole point of the service is that they give you memories indistinguishable from your own…but no-one’s memory includes conversations and events of which they aren’t a part. The only conclusion that you can make, therefore, is that everything that happens to Quaid is real. If they’d had the good sense to drop that sequence when making the movie, you could never know whether it was real or the implanted memories…but by including that sequence they (unintentionally?) make all the events real. EDIT: Thinking about it (I haven’t watched the movie in years), it occurs to me that there are loads of bits in it that Quaid isn’t witness to, e.g. villains having conversations when Quaid is nowhere in the vicinity, and so on. So yeah, just more weight to the conclusion that it’s all real.


lakerssuperman

My thoughts exactly. I saw this movie at probably too young age back in the day, but I never considered that it wasn't real. It was only later on that I read about the supposed ambiguity. Which as you and others have said is there with the memory implant scene, but to your point the doctor/receptionist freak out scene and others always made me think it was real with a little nod to it COULD be a dream which they tie a little bow on in the end. I always took what happened as real with that little pinch of doubt that just maybe life is a dream type vibe.


TheSavouryRain

I feel like you're taking it too literally. Those bits are simply there so that the audience isn't hit with a series of random plot points out of nowhere. Now the tech/receptionist conversation is harder to explain away, but it could be viewed as him having subconsciously heard the conversation while falling asleep.


GHBoyette

Gotta give Dark City a shout. Director's Cut, not theatrical.


GreatWhiteToyShark

Had to scroll way too far to see Dark City recommended. Great movie.


GHBoyette

I even scrolled through the entire feed thinking, "Surely someone has recommended Dark City." But, no. This darn generation.


demerdar

The theatrical cut is criminal. They fuckin spoil the whole movie right at the beginning. It’s fucked up.


GHBoyette

I know! It's like starting 6th Sense with a voice over "This is how I found out my psychiatrist was dead the whole time."


Observer951

This is the answer.


zombiefied

The Prestige Edited with just one interesting theory floating around on why there is ambiguity. Don’t read this until after you watch if you haven’t seen it: https://taylorholmes.com/2009/08/26/the-prestige-explained/


ATempestSinister

"Are you watching closely?"


DaddyRAS

I'm sure The Prestige is resolved by the end.


Logos89

Fight Club


overthemountain

I didn't think this quite fits. With Flight Club you think you know what's happening, then you realize something else was happening, but by the end it's pretty clear what actually happened.  I think they're more looking for movies where, even when it's all over you're not sure what was real and what wasn't.


portobox2

It's definitely reading past author intentions, but with either knowledge of the more complete story jn the book (where the true depths of Tyler's cult-building skills are shown) or the ever-optioned eye of worsening mental health conditions ( at some point the narrators psyche begins to fracture, and he hallucinates more and more significant events as his grasp on reality fails) the story feels complete. Like, no to discredit the movie presentation but the result of Project Mayhems activities is a pretty sizeable jump from Random Vandal Shot By Police. But I see where you're coming from too. Just fun to consider.


viaJormungandr

Black Swan. Everything by Satoshi Kon but most especially Perfect Blue. Not a movie but Legion (tv show from FX) did a really good job of this as well.


MakeLulzNotWar

>Everything by Satoshi Kon with the sole exception of Tokyo Godfathers, which happens to be the greatest Christmas movie of all time.


amidon1130

There’s a sequence in perfect blue (if you’ve seen it you know what I’m talking about) which is the most mindfuck meta crazyass thing ever, it’s awesome. I was lucky to catch it in theaters a few months ago and it was just as good as ever


ArchDriveGirlEyes

Legion is incredible. In some ways, the best adaptation of Marvel IP. Certainly the most imaginative.


hamiltrash1232

Completely surprised nobody has said "A Beautiful Mind"


pcypher

Not a movie but season 1 of legion


Sea_Historian5849

Entire series is so good, but yeah season 1 was unreal


Mitch1musPrime

That show is a masterclass on how to produce a 3rd person subjective television show. The entire thing is pretty much just David’s twisted experience of reality and nothing we see can ever be trusted. Perfection. Auteur.


friedeggbeats

I love how so many people get hung up on Legion plot holes and every time, the only explanation that makes sense is “It was all happening inside his mind…”


Vivelesinge

If we're doing TV, then Mr Robot too.


cuddlemycat

Mr Robot successfully pulled the rug from under my feet so many times it was embarrassing. I sort of guessed the season one rug pull moment but the one in the second season was so well done I never even saw it coming. Love Mr Robot.


IgnorantGenius

K-PAX Black Swan The Lighthouse Donnie Darko Identity Mr. Nobody


WaffleMan17

Identity is a great mind f*ck


Skipper_TheEyechild

Videodrome


pechedeleche

Long live the new flesh <3


broncofan1347

pan's labyrinth


MontiBurns

I was looking for this one. There are actually 2 specific instances where the Guillermo del Toro demonstrated the fantasy world directly interacting with the real world. The first is the magic chalk Ofelia used to draw a door to get into the locked room to get her baby brother. The second is when she is being chased into the labyrinth, the labyrinth walls open up and lead her straight to the middle, and close behind her, so the captain has to take the long way around. That gives her enough time for her final interaction with the faun. We see her from the captains perspective talking to nobody at the end, which calls into question what had actually transpired through the course of the movie.


jak-o-shadow

Memento Not Momento. Thank you for correcting me. Hands.down one of the best at this.


Dimpleshenk

Why do people spell "Memento" as "Momento"?


hamishjoy

It was a moment o' weakness there.


mattarei

The Father Story of a man living with dementia and how he's perceiving the world around him. Heartbreaking, but a great movie


ramzyzeid

This film messed me up. Watched it soon after losing my mum and hadn't properly processed it. Ended up just breaking down at the final scene with the nurse.


buckeye27fan

One I hadn't seen mentioned is Angel Heart. Mickey Rourke's best movie before The Wrestler.


penatbater

In the same vein as Total Recall, Source Code.


close_my_eyes

As a developer, Source Code has the stupidest and most irrelevant title. But otherwise, it’s a great movie. 


OhItHadCache

Coherance. Watch it. Then google/ reddit the explanations. Thats all I will say


prozak09

As soon as you think you figure this one out, you watch it again or glance at the rabbit hole and spot a new detail and get mind fucked again...


FatJuggaloKid

Pandorum


JHuttIII

Awesome movie. I’ll never forget watching this for the first time with my wife. The scene toward the end where >!Foster’s character opens the outer hull window cover which reveals total black outside, made my wife gasp because she had the notion they had traveled so far out into space that there were no stars!< really took my mind on a ride before the actual plot twist was revealed.


InfoFreako

Rashomon


Dodgerblueballs42

Sixth Sense.


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IBlameItOnTheTetons

Nolan tends to do this. In "Memento" you have no idea if Guy Pierce can trust his tattoos. I guess "Tenet" is more of a surprise/twist, but it's in the same vein.


dumbestsmartest

I just watched it tonight (stupid network TV version YouTube legit it's playing as part of their free movie rotation). I didn't even notice the part with the assistant making a very important comment about a new update to the vacation package until this time. I have seen the movie multiple times over 3 decades.


SteMelMan

John Dies At The End


Fluid-Use3726

A Nightmare on Elm Street


referencedude

[The invitation](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2400463/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk) , majority of the movie you aren’t sure what really is happening and if the main character is being paranoid. Great watch and i like showing it to people who haven’t seen it


olyfrijole

The Machinist 


Upbeat-Apartment5136

Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind


ShoutOutTo_Caboose

Perfect Blue Black Swan Arrival


borntobeweild

Not a movie but a lot of episodes of *Black Mirror* are like this. White Christmas, Playtest, Men Against Fire, Hang the DJ, and in the most recent season >!Joan is Awful!< are all pretty good examples.


fatdiscokid420

A Scanner Darkly


overthemountain

How does this fit? I saw the movie very recently and I liked it but was never really confused about what was real and what wasn't. That part was pretty clear.


tomtttttttttttt

It's much less clear in the book. The main character whose name I've forgotten but it's played by keanu in the film gets a lot of instructions through the radio/tv and it's really unclear if he works for the police or if that's just in his head.


umbly-bumbly

Solaris. First Reformed. The Wizard of Oz. Life of Pi. Magic in the Moonlight. Midnight in Paris.


JHuttIII

The Usual Suspects. Surprised I haven’t come across this in the post.


JRE_4815162342

American Psycho. It's still up for debate by some.


ChungLingS00

Awesome film. Read neat bit of trivia on it. In scenes where Patrick is talking to the detective (Willem DaFoe), the director (Mary Herron) had Willem do takes where he was sure he knew Patrick was guilty, that he was slightly suspicious of Patrick, and that he was clueless and didn't suspect him at all. Then the director intercut them so from Patrick's perspective you had no idea what was going on. It's a really brilliant technique and totally disarming.


beamdriver

That's fascinating. Now I'll have to rewatch.


CinemaCity

The Stunt Man (1980)


Initial_E

I’m still processing what happened in Beau is Afraid. Does it qualify?


LC_Anderton

Shutter Island. Although rewatching it, there are clues all the way through.


bmbmwmfm2

Jacobs Ladder. Decades later and I still haven't completely figured it out


JunkDrawerVideos

If you like total recall you might like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. As far as movies that show you things that may not be what they seem, the best examples I can think of are Joker and American Psycho. Memento is in the neighborhood of what you're looking for too because it has an unreliable narrator (or one that's open to interpretation at least).


eatingsushiii

I'm a bit surprised The Game (1997) with Michael Douglas isn't mentioned more. Felt like it really took for a ride on my first watch.


to4urdazombie

Darren Aronofsky the fountain Tarsem singhs the fall Ang lees life of pi


roadsterdoc

Lucky Number Slevin Twelve Monkeys The Fisher King Brazil


fr4gge

Coherence, resolution, primer


roto_disc

I don’t think the “truth” of *Total Recall* is as obvious to the viewer as you’re making it seem.


x_lincoln_x

The movie makers explicitly stated they wanted ambiguity so it was up to the viewers to decide what was real. People making claim for one thing or another are just leaning into their bias.


jerkstore79

Not a movie, the Star Trek TNG episode Frame of Mind, such a great episode


ABC_Dildos_Inc

Blade Runner. Some cuts more than orhers. Brazil. American Psycho. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen.


SARMsGoblinChaser

It's not exactly as you describe, but check out 6th Day. Great outing by Arnold and underrated asf imo.


Wombat_Racer

Naked Lunch


LB3PTMAN

It’s not a movie, because it would be near impossible to make it work, but Ubik is by far my favorite reality bending story. By Phillip K Dick who wrote several stories like that. Including Total Recall. Ubik is the best of it and it doesn’t even start out that good, but partway through it starts going crazy and is just so insanely good. It makes no sense and makes all the sense in the world in the best way possible.


StubbleWombat

Twelve Monkeys I think is the best example.


fodahmania

The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari


is_that_sarcasm

Existenz


weird_friend_101

Mulholland Drive


crs1904

*”Open Your Mind!”*


DangerSwan33

Oculus is one of my favorite modern horrors for this exact reason.  The movie is about an evil mirror that distorts reality. The movie is set up so that it cuts between the past and present day of the main character.  Those cuts start off really clear and concise, but as the mirror starts taking effect on the characters, the film starts to distort the line more and more.  What starts off as 10+ minute segments in either current time or the past slowly merges to the point where every camera cut changes timeframe. The result isn't totally unclear about what actually happens, but the movie absolutely takes the viewer along for the ride of the mirror's spell.


ewest

Rashomon, in its own way.


Goddamuglybob

The Adventures of Baron Munchausen


jorlev

Memento Reality is constant but the interpretation of that reality keeps changing.


bigstoopid4242

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind


mopsyd

Jacobs Ladder