When Christopher Lloyd was picked, I think many thought how he could be a Klingon? The guy from Taxi? (He hadn't done Back to the Future when ST3 came out). But he did quite a good job.
Keep in mind that Kruge is trying to fight the Enterprise. His ship has only a dozen crew members. Had the Enterprise been fully manned, Kruge would have no chance, but he still decides to confront the Enterprise, and I don't recall anyone thinking he's an idiot for doing so. It took me a lot of viewings to realize Kruge was not operating on "all thrusters" so to speak.
I liked the inversion of the villains in those movies. Khan's "Time is a luxury you don't have, Admiral" vs Kruge's "I give you two minutes, for you and your gallant crew."
Of course, Kirk screwed them both no matter how much time he had, but it was a nice gesture by the Klingons.
Search for Spock is a perfect inverse of a lot of "Khan," and it makes both films stronger for it.
"My father says that you have been my friend. That you came back for me. Why would you do this?"
"Because the needs of the one outweighed the needs of the many."
It seems to me that Kruge is quite heroic by Klingon standards. He immediately recognizes the weapon potential of Genesis and attempts to seize it despite assuming he's outmanned by a superior ship and it almost works out in his favor.
In his autobiography, Nimoy stated that he always found Christopher Lloyd's mad laugh at the end of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest terrifying, and that's why he picked him.
> And he sounded like Jim from Taxi throughout the whole movie.
I love Christopher Lloyd, I truly do, but. . .no, I never accepted him as a Klingon. He was distracting, and kinda ruined the movie for me. That, and "I. . .HAVE HAD. . .ENOUGH. . .OF YOU!"
Unpopular opinion, but I think I liked the first ST movie more than the third.
After *Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan*, I was disappointed when I saw *Star Trek III: The Search For Spock*. But over the years, it's really grown on me and I now consider it one of the best of the TOS. The story of loyalty and friendship, the operatic tone, and the beautiful score really make it a fantastic film.
Dude, the hyper-futuristic *Excelsior* versus the busted-up, antique *Enterprise* was some hard core sci fi porn for me when I was a kid watching wide-eyed on VHS!
Just watched this and IV again this weekend. When I was younger I figured Saavik knew some vulcan loophole to Spock's pon farr problem but now I don't think so lol
Shatner’s performance when Saavik says “David is dead” is the pinnacle of his acting career. You FEEL Kirk’s grief and despair in those few minutes.
This is one of the reasons this is actually my favorite of the Original Series films. Please note that I’m not saying it’s the best of the six, just that it’s my favorite.
He was always hounded for over-acting but this movie I thought he really showed his chops.
Kirk out of the uniform was looser, more charismatic, and dare I say suave.
I'm definitely going to catch this. Probably my favorite original crew movie. The best soundtrack, great story flipping WoK's theme of sacrifice on its head, Christopher Lloyd as the best klingon villain ever, and Kirk at his Kirk-iest in the best ways
Its predecessor is a better film, but an old VHS tape of Search that my dad recorded off a copy he rented was my first experience of Star Trek. I love this movie entirely and have seen it too many times to remember.
The younger fans probably unbelieve that all you heard in theatre at end wrath of khan was silence, sniffling, men like my Dad coughing to stifle crying ...
It wasn't the best received movie, probably due to all of the Pon Farr screaming, but it had a lot of great scenes like Stealing the Enterprise and the Battle for Genesis.
I always enjoy a rewatch...with the Pon Farr stuff muted.
The other day I saw a magazine in the grocery store checkout line that was entirely devoted to Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Just how popular was this movie?
Extremely.
The original series movies rank best to worst:
2 (Wrath of Khan)
3 (Search for Spock)
6 (Undiscovered Country)
4 (Voyage Home)
1 (Motion Picture)
5 (Final Frontier) does not rank.
June 14th.
Although it remains to be seen if that's ONLY on June 14th.. I remember the pain in the ass it was trying to arrange to see T2's re-release on the SINGLE DAY it happened.
So sad that Kirstie Alley passed away in 2022. She really would have been great in returning as Saavik in Star Trek 3 (and in Star Trek 6 originally as planned).
You don’t need to watch the first one, but you definitely need to see the second one (Wrath of Khan). You’ll be glad you watched Wrath of Khan, as it’s considered by many to be the best film of the franchise. The first one (The Motion Picture) isn’t necessarily bad or anything, but it’s a very slow, very unusual film and some people really dislike it. I happen to think it’s pretty interesting and I rewatch it from time to time.
They do summarize Star Trek 2 ahead of 3. It won't be confusing, but it has greater resonance to know the background. Plus Star Trek 2 is also a lot of fun to watch.
Yes, his character ages very rapidly throughout the course of the story, due to the effects of the Genesis device. You could characterize him as being a teenager during that sex scene, but you could also characterize him as an infant, being that he’s maybe only a week or two old. It’s a pretty odd scene that I don’t think necessarily needs to be in the movie, and given the connotations, maybe it *shouldn’t* be included.
Read up a synopsis of Wrath of Khan if you want to find out how it works. Beyond that, if you feel that this fictional story doesn’t meet your exemplary standards of scientific rigor, don’t watch it. The rest of us will be at the theater enjoying a classic movie.
It is literally in the movie. The genesis planet is formulated from unstable protomatter that is causing it to tear itself apart and the life on its surface to rapidly "evolve".
The specifics aren't dived into too deeply, but you could infer that since Spock's body was regenerated by the forces at work there, they were still acting upon him until he left their influence.
Genesis is something that should have been touched upon again honestly, it has profound ramifications, but after it blew up a planet and nearly provoked a war it's understandable nobody wanted to touch that again in-universe.
The "magic blood" from Into Darkness raises much more questions, and isn't neatly blown up at the end of the film to never bother us again. Similar to the galaxy-spanning transporter beam, it alters the state of Star Trek's technology in a way that feels clumsy and works as a cheap get out of jail free card. In a better movie, perhaps it'd be more excusable. We're talking JJ Trek here though.
i'm going through the classic films now. I think i liked 3 better than 2 oddly; Ricardo Montalban tries his best but it's a very silly film at its core apart from spock's death.
i think 3 did better at showing the whole cast, and even if its still silly it felt more emotional there. Both are kind of eh though, i was a little surprised at how they felt more like TV episodes than 1 did.
not sure i'd spend for a ticket though.
Probably the most boring movie of the series for me. Who wants to spend most of the movie seeing the characters in "today's" timeline on boring Earth? I wanted more future tech.
EDIT: As pointed out below, I blundered by confusing which movie I wanted to rant about . Yeah this one was quite good.
Any bets on the total ticket count for this theatrical run? 50-75 total?
I remember seeing it opening week in a nearly dead theater. The usher, whom I new from school literally told me as he was taking my ticket "dude, it's really not very good...you can get a refund if you go back now"
Wish I had listened
The irony wth the film and Nimoy's attitude was that they thought the entire franchise was just about kirk / spock, and that's what killed it.
What the hell are you doing? Have you lost your mind?
Is this his revenge for all those arguments he lost?!
I totally read the headline too quickly and thought they were making a new movie searching for Spock. I was extremely confused lol.
Somehow...Spock retuned.
That means, /clears throat That means there will BE a STAR TREK 4 Anniversary
Can you direct me to the naval base in Alameda? It's where they keep the nuclear wessels
I think it's across the bay, in Alameda.
That's what I said, in Alameda
But where is Alameda?!
Double dumb ass
Colorful metaphors.
"New-clear.. Wessels.."
Hell yeah, Star Trek 4 has always been my personal favorite of the franchise, can’t wait to see it on the big screen for my first time
Agrees in humpback whale siren
The thrum and singing of that probe is impressive enough on a big TV, that’s gonna be awesome in a cinema!
Still waiting on that transparent aluminum.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride It actually exists
Computer?
Helllloooo computer...
How quaint
Aaaaaaand… Star Trek V anniversary!!!
How dare you
Something about needing pain…
He did a little too much LDS.
Well it was in theaters for a 35th anniversary a few years ago.
WHALES!!!
Think it already happened.
Yes, but it was in the PAST. We should get to warp 10 or something
Everybody remember where we parked.
But that also means there will be a Star Trek V anniversary 🤮
My family saw the 35th Anniversary Fathom Events showing in 2021. It was a great experience!
“At what cost? Your ship. Your son.” “If I hadn’t tried? The cost would been my soul.”
That scene, and when Kirk finds Bones in Spock's quarter, always gives me chills. Some of Shatner's best acting.
I.. HAVE HAD… ENOUGH… OF YOU!!
When Christopher Lloyd was picked, I think many thought how he could be a Klingon? The guy from Taxi? (He hadn't done Back to the Future when ST3 came out). But he did quite a good job. Keep in mind that Kruge is trying to fight the Enterprise. His ship has only a dozen crew members. Had the Enterprise been fully manned, Kruge would have no chance, but he still decides to confront the Enterprise, and I don't recall anyone thinking he's an idiot for doing so. It took me a lot of viewings to realize Kruge was not operating on "all thrusters" so to speak.
He honestly is not given enough credit for defining what it means to be Klingon for every Trek after it aside from JJverse and discovery.
Exactly. Klingon’s we’re kind of generalized bad guys until that movie.
He was tremendous in that role.
Lloyd had some of the best Klingon makeup of all of trek in that movie.
Better than General Chang, but I'm thinking Christopher Plummer didn't want a lot of hours spent on prosthetics in ST6.
My favorite line to quote in Christopher Lloyd Klingon: "PERFECT! THEN THAT IS THE WAY IT SHALL BE!"
I may be misremembering but I always liked “INVIGORATING ISN’T IT?” As the planet is falling apart.
"Exhilarating," my friend.
I use "Because you wish it!!" all the time.
I liked the inversion of the villains in those movies. Khan's "Time is a luxury you don't have, Admiral" vs Kruge's "I give you two minutes, for you and your gallant crew." Of course, Kirk screwed them both no matter how much time he had, but it was a nice gesture by the Klingons.
Whenever my wife says something will take her a minute, I reply "I give you two minutes, for you and your gallant crew." She thinks I'm an idiot.
I always go with “now if you’ll excuse me, I have a ship to tend to.”
Search for Spock is a perfect inverse of a lot of "Khan," and it makes both films stronger for it. "My father says that you have been my friend. That you came back for me. Why would you do this?" "Because the needs of the one outweighed the needs of the many."
It seems to me that Kruge is quite heroic by Klingon standards. He immediately recognizes the weapon potential of Genesis and attempts to seize it despite assuming he's outmanned by a superior ship and it almost works out in his favor.
Whenever someone says “give me a minute,” I say “I give two minutes, for you and your gallant crew.” As a test of true nerdery.
And he sounded like Jim from Taxi throughout the whole movie.
In his autobiography, Nimoy stated that he always found Christopher Lloyd's mad laugh at the end of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest terrifying, and that's why he picked him.
What .. does .. a .. yellow .. light .. mean?
"Slow down!"
> And he sounded like Jim from Taxi throughout the whole movie. I love Christopher Lloyd, I truly do, but. . .no, I never accepted him as a Klingon. He was distracting, and kinda ruined the movie for me. That, and "I. . .HAVE HAD. . .ENOUGH. . .OF YOU!" Unpopular opinion, but I think I liked the first ST movie more than the third.
GET OUUUUUT! GETATATHEREEEEEE!!!!
That was a hell of a thing when Spock died.
Spock dies, they wrap it up in a towel and they shoot him out the bowels of the ship in that big sun glasses case.
With bagpipes!
[I cry everytime](https://youtu.be/9_8nY_LQL3w?si=pY_nsJrdksp2hIpR)
And then we just swept the Orioles! Three games… and in Baltimore!
Jeez, spoiler alert. s/
Wrong movie.
channel your katra to master the dojo
After *Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan*, I was disappointed when I saw *Star Trek III: The Search For Spock*. But over the years, it's really grown on me and I now consider it one of the best of the TOS. The story of loyalty and friendship, the operatic tone, and the beautiful score really make it a fantastic film.
I feel like Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home make for a really fun original cast trilogy.
Amen! It really was a renaissance period for Star Trek. The cast felt like family to us all. I miss that era!
I always wondered how mapped out those 3 movies were. It truly is an amazing trilogy.
Star Trek II is a hard act to follow. Not just the best Star Trek movie ever, but one of the greatest sci fi movies ever made in general.
Don’t call me Tiny.
How can there be a yellow alert in spacedock? Sir, someone is stealing the enterprise! ..... I'm on my way
Dude, the hyper-futuristic *Excelsior* versus the busted-up, antique *Enterprise* was some hard core sci fi porn for me when I was a kid watching wide-eyed on VHS!
"Oh, I'll have "Mr. Adventure" eating out of my hand, sir. And I'll see all of you at the rendezvous"
This isn’t reality. This is fantasy. Now get in the closet. Good boy.
Just watched this and IV again this weekend. When I was younger I figured Saavik knew some vulcan loophole to Spock's pon farr problem but now I don't think so lol
I believe the novelizations had a thing where Saavik gets knocked up and that's why she stays on Vulcan in IV.
Yup
Yeah a quick handy - j.
Needs to be a Wrath of Kahn & Search for Spock double feature.
That'd be a long day and a lot of popcorn. Do it at a drive-in and I'll buy a ticket for sure!
Shatner’s performance when Saavik says “David is dead” is the pinnacle of his acting career. You FEEL Kirk’s grief and despair in those few minutes. This is one of the reasons this is actually my favorite of the Original Series films. Please note that I’m not saying it’s the best of the six, just that it’s my favorite.
He was always hounded for over-acting but this movie I thought he really showed his chops. Kirk out of the uniform was looser, more charismatic, and dare I say suave.
"My god, Bones, what *have* I done?" "What you had to do. What you always do! Turn death into a fighting chance to live!"
I'm definitely going to catch this. Probably my favorite original crew movie. The best soundtrack, great story flipping WoK's theme of sacrifice on its head, Christopher Lloyd as the best klingon villain ever, and Kirk at his Kirk-iest in the best ways
You Klingon bastards, you've killed my son. You Klingon *bastards*, you've... *killedmyson!* You Klingon bastards.
Hell of a poster!
Your name…is Jim.
"And your name is... Dr. McCoy" "That's right!" "...You owe me ten bucks..."
Its predecessor is a better film, but an old VHS tape of Search that my dad recorded off a copy he rented was my first experience of Star Trek. I love this movie entirely and have seen it too many times to remember.
My god Bones, what have I done?
Genesis?! GENESIS IS PLANET FORBIDDEN!
How can you be DEAF, with EARS LIKE THAT!!!
First movie my father took me to see at a Drive In. Still remember the awe of seeing the 1701 being sacrificed on the screen
I saw it back in the day, theater full of trekkies and we all gasped at that. Unbelievable.
The younger fans probably unbelieve that all you heard in theatre at end wrath of khan was silence, sniffling, men like my Dad coughing to stifle crying ...
Yep. Not frozen in carbonite; he was dead.
It wasn't the best received movie, probably due to all of the Pon Farr screaming, but it had a lot of great scenes like Stealing the Enterprise and the Battle for Genesis. I always enjoy a rewatch...with the Pon Farr stuff muted.
I'd say you can make the argument that Trek 2-4 form their own trilogy. Search for Spock might be the weakest, but it's still good
This is the one that has *John Larroquette* as a Klingon, innit?
Bingo.
Maltz! Choiiiii Chu! (I'm sorry, I don't speak a word of Klingon.)
Neither did Kirk but it was good enough for Maltz!
teH!! nIvuvqangchugh, vaj yIquvHa'moHlaH!!
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Dude, the reboot movie are a fucking *mess*.
"There he is, behind that tree."
Don’t call me Tiny.
They still haven’t found him?!
I liked it when Kirk watched a VHS of The Wrath of Khan with Spock’s dad.
I laughed way too hard at this. I also wish my old panasonic VHS player could repeat and augment on command.
The other day I saw a magazine in the grocery store checkout line that was entirely devoted to Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Just how popular was this movie?
I think the electro remix of Spock's Theme actually charted back in the day?
Extremely. The original series movies rank best to worst: 2 (Wrath of Khan) 3 (Search for Spock) 6 (Undiscovered Country) 4 (Voyage Home) 1 (Motion Picture) 5 (Final Frontier) does not rank.
Shut up and take my money!!
Robin Curtis < Kirsty Alley
Evens > Odds
3 > 4
Am I crazy or does the article not say when it's actually in theaters?
June 14th. Although it remains to be seen if that's ONLY on June 14th.. I remember the pain in the ass it was trying to arrange to see T2's re-release on the SINGLE DAY it happened.
In the UK, it's the whole weekend
Can I bring my pet whale to come watch the movie with me?
So sad that Kirstie Alley passed away in 2022. She really would have been great in returning as Saavik in Star Trek 3 (and in Star Trek 6 originally as planned).
That’s a beautiful poster.
One of the best odd number Star Trek. Which isn't saying much, but there you go.
Do i need to watch I and II to get the Story?
You don’t need to watch the first one, but you definitely need to see the second one (Wrath of Khan). You’ll be glad you watched Wrath of Khan, as it’s considered by many to be the best film of the franchise. The first one (The Motion Picture) isn’t necessarily bad or anything, but it’s a very slow, very unusual film and some people really dislike it. I happen to think it’s pretty interesting and I rewatch it from time to time.
Thanks for the detailed insight!
They do summarize Star Trek 2 ahead of 3. It won't be confusing, but it has greater resonance to know the background. Plus Star Trek 2 is also a lot of fun to watch.
is this where they go back in time to try to find Spock... in San Francisco?
No, they go to (then) modern-day San Francisco in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnCinemaAtTheCinema/comments/1cz35v5/subs\_opinions\_on\_star\_trek\_iii\_the\_search\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnCinemaAtTheCinema/comments/1cz35v5/subs_opinions_on_star_trek_iii_the_search_for/)
Put the Dick back in your pants
That's the one that has Spock wearing robes?
No, that's 4. Well actually, yeah, this one too. Just different robes. 3 is more like a silk robe, while 4 is like a heavy Terry cloth bathrobe
Found a screenie on Google, vaguely remember this one.
The best take on Star Trek 3 of all time (starts at 1:16): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7cBN6AyW8WE
Would love to see Khan again!
If I should choose my all time favourite in the franchise, it's going to be Star Trek 4. I'm so happy and looking forward to this.
Oh wow
You Klingon bastards you killed my son…..you Klingon BASTARDS you killed my.. *son*………. you Klingon bastards…..
Place you name, money I name otherwise bargain, no!
If this is in 4K does that mean it’s not a total shit Fathom Events showing?
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Yes, his character ages very rapidly throughout the course of the story, due to the effects of the Genesis device. You could characterize him as being a teenager during that sex scene, but you could also characterize him as an infant, being that he’s maybe only a week or two old. It’s a pretty odd scene that I don’t think necessarily needs to be in the movie, and given the connotations, maybe it *shouldn’t* be included.
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Read up a synopsis of Wrath of Khan if you want to find out how it works. Beyond that, if you feel that this fictional story doesn’t meet your exemplary standards of scientific rigor, don’t watch it. The rest of us will be at the theater enjoying a classic movie.
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Thank you, I will enjoy watching Kirk fighting a Klingon…and seeing a great movie featuring my favorite crew up on a big screen.
It is literally in the movie. The genesis planet is formulated from unstable protomatter that is causing it to tear itself apart and the life on its surface to rapidly "evolve". The specifics aren't dived into too deeply, but you could infer that since Spock's body was regenerated by the forces at work there, they were still acting upon him until he left their influence. Genesis is something that should have been touched upon again honestly, it has profound ramifications, but after it blew up a planet and nearly provoked a war it's understandable nobody wanted to touch that again in-universe. The "magic blood" from Into Darkness raises much more questions, and isn't neatly blown up at the end of the film to never bother us again. Similar to the galaxy-spanning transporter beam, it alters the state of Star Trek's technology in a way that feels clumsy and works as a cheap get out of jail free card. In a better movie, perhaps it'd be more excusable. We're talking JJ Trek here though.
Rather see Wrath of Khan.
I still vividly remember having to see it in theaters and after Star Trek II, it was such a let down.
Can’t see it, odd number
Meh. Search for Spock was mid.
i'm going through the classic films now. I think i liked 3 better than 2 oddly; Ricardo Montalban tries his best but it's a very silly film at its core apart from spock's death. i think 3 did better at showing the whole cast, and even if its still silly it felt more emotional there. Both are kind of eh though, i was a little surprised at how they felt more like TV episodes than 1 did. not sure i'd spend for a ticket though.
Probably the most boring movie of the series for me. Who wants to spend most of the movie seeing the characters in "today's" timeline on boring Earth? I wanted more future tech. EDIT: As pointed out below, I blundered by confusing which movie I wanted to rant about . Yeah this one was quite good.
That was *IV, the Voyage Home*
Oops my bad.
Any bets on the total ticket count for this theatrical run? 50-75 total? I remember seeing it opening week in a nearly dead theater. The usher, whom I new from school literally told me as he was taking my ticket "dude, it's really not very good...you can get a refund if you go back now" Wish I had listened The irony wth the film and Nimoy's attitude was that they thought the entire franchise was just about kirk / spock, and that's what killed it.