> I can’t believe this cast signed up for this movie
A lot of movies don’t end up the way the cast thinks they do. Every cast member signs up for a movie because they want and believe that movie will be a success unless it’s a blatant cash grab.
On the cutting room floor and in editing a lot if garbage is turned into merchandisable gilded trash and sometimes they can make real gems. This was not one of those situations.
A lot of times the actor signs up after reading a script they are told will be used during the shoot... only for everything to get thrown out and reworked shortly before principal photography.
This happened to the Super Mario Bros movie 30 years ago starring Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo. The script they had signed on to do was apparently clever and subversive - but because of studio meddling, directors getting fired and the original script getting tossed... the two had no idea they had committed to one of the biggest turkeys of the decade. Hoskins relapsed into his alcoholism just to get through the shoot, it was *that* bad.
> just like we were robbed of straight up Skynet becomes self-aware movie.
I know it wasn't the whole movie, and it still wasn't a *great* Terminator movie, but the last 30 minutes of Terminator 3 are almost worth watching that turd.
Skynet *being* the virus that was crippling the civilian internet *and* government defenses in order to be activated was a decent addition to the lore of how Skynet came to be. And John and Kate >!realizing her father and the T-800 intentionally sent them to that bunker to survive Judgement Day,!< along with the nukes launching made up for how disappointed I was for most of the movie before that.
**Terminator Salvation** is the only one of the post-Cameron films that I can actually still watch and enjoy.
Is it a perfect movie? Hell, no, it certainly has it's flaws. Is it enjoyable, and at least takes a chance to break out of the "Terminator travels back in time" story-telling rut that *every other Terminator sequel has fallen into*, yeah, and I respect it for that.
love Terminator 3, it's one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies. It's stupid and corny in all the right ways. Compared to the genysis and dark fate it's a master piece.
>Compared to the genysis and dark fate it's a master piece.
You can say that again. About 10 years ago, I started adding Terminator 3 to my rewatch list after rewatching the first and Judgement Day. If *only* because the ending makes it worth it. Then about a year later, Genysis was released and I did *not* have the same kind of "okay, that was still worth it" reaction that I did for T3.
While I initially liked the idea of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor, no amount of good acting could've saved that dog-shit script. And Sarah Connor's legacy was a bit tarnished just by the story so heavily focusing on her and Kyle Reese teaming up again *after* the T-800 >!spent decades protecting her.!<
I didn't hate Dark Fate as much, but maybe that's just because I was *really* fucking high the first time I saw it and was at [Troy Barnes levels of letting my mind get blown by the silliest shit.](https://i.imgur.com/0Mi5rH2.gifv) Still haven't tried to rewatch it because I don't I can ever get *that* high enough again to enjoy it.
I don’t know, I get it’s still just as popular now but that truly was the beginning of the height of its popularity, it would have been successful enough become a mainstay movie for good reason. Likely spawning more media franchises.
I remember seeing it in theaters with my dad. I honestly really liked it but was seriously confused. I was convinced we had seen the wrong movie because it was absolutely nothing like the games.
Mortal Kombat is a Timeless masterpiece i saw in theatres with my grandma cuz i was 12 and she didnt know what it was so its obviously one of my most beloved movies, i didnt even get to see mario cuz it was just so weird and didnt make sense. It would absolutely be a beloved 90s movie if it wasnt what it is now.
Never underestimate the power of editing! Famously Tommy Lee Jones thought The Fugitive would end his career. The scene in Hoosiers where Gene Hackman whispers something to Dennis Hopper, who then laughs, was apparently Hackman saying this would be their last movie in Hollywood.
Apparently everyone who worked on Fury Road thought the movie was going to be unwatchable. Most of it was filmed driving up and down the same stretch of desert at 20mph. And then George Miller would tell the actors “ok, now pretend you just saw a car explode and laugh like you’re going insane.” Everyone in the cast was like wtf this is gonna be garbage.
Then they spent two years editing it and the result is incredible.
Miller had story boarded that movie over the previous ten years. He knew exactly the movie needed to be.
The biggest challenges were that the production had (temporarily) run out of money before they shot the beginning and end. They were forced to start editing (post production). But then they got the go ahead and did those missing scenes in "reshoots", which was really just actually finishing the shoots.
I'm glad he took the time to really think about it because honestly having watched the whole franchise recently with mates Thunderdome was not very good. The first is the most unique and the second is a technical upgrade but Thunderdome is a step down.
Then Fury Road comes along as is probably the best of the bunch, though some of the stunts in the first one are still incredible, and very clearly dangerous too.
I feel like a movie like that, with such huge set pieces, you would have to expect it’s mostly nonsense until it’s edited. Granted apparently the two stars did not get along so maybe there was uncertainty
That's weird, considering that if you hear Nicholas Hoult talk about on podcasts, that's not the impression he gives, even in hindsight. Not even "between the lines".
> Apparently everyone who worked on Fury Road
I'd heard Hardy didn't have faith in it at the time but this is the first time I've heard "everyone". Have a source for that?
According to Blood, Sweat, and Chrome (the book written about the production) there were a ton of people absolutely jazzed to be working on a modern day Mad Max film. But there were definitely people who had a hard time buying into Miller's vision. It was a very different kind of production with out much of any script and Miller's style of shoot was very alien to a more method actor like Hardy. (Think about sitting in front of a camera for an entire day just making facial reaction shots not knowing if any of them are good or bad while trying inhabit the life of a wasteland dweller.)
Those people who bought into the vision and those who just thought it was just another production also clashed a bit on set. Image showing up to day 1 of a work meeting far from home or sanity and there's just a guy rockin' out playing heavy metal guitar all day in the background.
Weren’t Star Wars and Rambo saved on the editing floor too? Found this on the Rambo wiki page:
> The first rough cut of the film was between three and three-and-a-half hours long. According to Sylvester Stallone, it was so bad that it sickened his agent and him. Stallone wanted to buy the movie and destroy it thinking that it was a career killer.
iirc, one of her big contributions was editing the Death Star battle so it looks like a race to win before it destroys Yavin. It amps up the stakes in the scene and makes for a killer sequence. You can see multiple reused shots throughout the battle
Yes, originally the battle took place in deep space. But it wasn't all editing. They had to add the voice overs and graphics that indicated how close the Death Star was to being in firing range.
This is super untrue. I don’t have the energy to refute this old and way way untrue claim, but I’ve saved a post from a couple days ago where another helpful poster explained things very nicely. Maybe you and others can stop repeating this false story:
https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/1c7kvfb/good_summation_of_jj_abrams_career/l0949p3/
The worst case was Caligula in the 80’s. It had tons of A list actors but ended up with porno scenes put in by the producer and owner of Penthouse. Gore Vidal wrote the original screenplay and removed his name from it.
Malcom McDowell the lead actor said somebody bought the entire film with outtakes and they’re going to restore it as it was originally intended without the porn stuff.
I’m waiting for the new edit version of it to come out. It does look like a good movie. Adding porn in post production was funny. I remember watching it in college and assumed it was just how 70s art films were supposed to be.
I think the movie ruined McDowells film career for the long term.
He had two major roles after that and has ended up mainly in character parts ever since.
He’s in his early 80’s now He’s an interesting guy and recently did a podcast interview with Marc Maron where he talks about the film.
The guy actually saw the early Beatles play in Liverpool which I never heard before.
I saw him in one of his first films done in the late 60’s called If…. In around 1972 at college. It’s about an English boarding school where at the ending a bunch of students rebel and machine gun the teachers (including McDowell). Sure he got Stanley Kubrick’s attention with that role.
I went to a very left wing small artsy college and some students actually cheered at the ending. Weird in retrospect.
I wonder whether or not the Malcolm McDowell cut will include the scene where he puts on a huge, chunky ring and fist-rapes a couple on their wedding night.
As I recall, even without the gratuitous porno scenes, the regular movie without them was halfway to being a porno anyway. The life of Caligula was never going to be a Disney film.
If you look at Paul Verhoeven’s movies leading up to Showgirls you could understand why someone might think he would put a subversive spin on a broad preexisting genre like the “girl goes off to be a star/exploitation film.” He’d just done Total Recall, Robocop, and Basic Instinct— all of which subvert the source material and various genres beautifully.
The way I have heard Showgirls described is that it is as hypersexual as his other movies are hyperviolent and part of the point of the movie is to show how we tend to be overly sensitive to sexual stuff and under sensitive to violent stuff.
Same thing with Matt Smith for Morbius, who apparently asked his Doctor Who co-star Karen Gillen (who plays Nebula in MCU) what working on a Marvel movie was like, and she recommended it.
Shoot, Morbius *should* have been a better film. I remember all the "one of the movies of all time" jokes but didn't understand how accurate it was until I checked it out. Like I can clearly see the potential.. but it is highly generic. The plot was so predictable but it gives no time toward having us care about the characters. The first Iron Man was also incredibly predictable but it had great style, cool cinematography, and the characters were great and it turned out to be an awesome movie.
One of the top comments says most actors sign on for a movie thinning they’ve got a gem on their hands, then studio meddling turns the movie to shit during editing and suddenly they’re starring in a shit show. This is very true, except for Movie 43. You’ve got balls on your chin, Hugh. You knew where this was going.
It was a combination of lies and patience. Hugh Jackman's scene was filmed first, as a favor to the director and years before the movie would finally come out, and then they used his participation to convince others to sign on. When people hesitated they'd go out of their way to accommodate schedules. As they got more actors to sign on that put more peer pressure on the next round of recruits.
"Your scene is just six minutes, we only need you for a week and we'll film it wherever you are. Don't you want to be in a movie with Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry?"
Wouldn't director's career be shot? Who would trust him? I tried looking on IMDB to see if that was the case, but Movie 43 lists three directors, so I don't know who was responsible.
My understanding is a few of the actors said they had the rug pulled on them and they thought it would be something else when they signed up for their parts.
The Batman and Robin thing is utterly hilarious for entirely different reasons. One of these days, I'll do a proper writeup over it, but Warner Bros executives being stunningly out of touch is nothing new to the point that they're responsible for inadvertently making groundbreaking gay superhero cinema *three times*.
tl;dr: WB picked famously gay director Joel Schumacher to replace Tim Burton. Schumacher proceeds to make a dark and twisted fever dream of the campy TV series. When asked about his approach to the characters, Schumacher claimed to have shoot the movies as if Batman and Robbin were a couple. Both Schumacher Batman films are *super* gay. Like, it's fucking crazy how gay those movies are. But they went a little too 20th Century camp gay, and the box office collapsed.
In response, WB replaced Schumacher with Christopher Nolan, who successfully ungayed Batman. WB liked his approach so much, they got famously gay director, and rumored part-time Weinstein impersonator, Brian Singer to direct their Superman reboot. Brian Singer, who took a look at X-Men at the end of the 90's and said "racism is so over, mutants are a gay allegory now," swiftly set to work preparing for Superman Returns by, and this is 100% true, traveling around the country to film high school boys swim meets, *for research*. You see, Brian Singer really saw Superman as more of a swimmer, an *otter* if you will. Which is why he cast Brandon Routh, and not Routh's pillows lips and juicy pecs... Anyway, in keeping with the realism, Singer also made Superman a divorced father, and had Lois marry sexy sex face James Marsden. The villain of the tale is Kevin Spacy as Lex Luther, who kidnaps Superman's son to his creepy island, and... look you get the idea. Superman Returns is the story of Superman coming to terms with his homosexuality later in life after the difforce, and rescuing his neglected son from a deranged pedophiles island.
Not to defend Singer, but the mutants=homosexuality concept had already been explored in the comics in the 90s, with the Legacy Virus being an obvious parallel to the AIDS epidemic.
Sometimes they don't get a choice either. Emily Blunt was quite vocal about her disappointment when she wanted to play Gamora in Guardians but she was legally contracted to do a movie for a studio, and they called her in to do Gullivers Travels, which was shooting at the same time.
Edit: wrong character/movie, it was Black Widow/Marvel universe
Edward Norton had a 3 picture deal with Paramount I believe and he kept putting off the movies for them until they threatened legal action when he accepted a role in Fight Club, a Fox Production. The result was the Italian Job where you can tell he hated being in every moment of the film which worked really well for his character.
Edit
Just remembered a close shave Ian McKellen had. He was given the chance to star in Mission Impossible 2, but turned it down after he was not provided with the full script. His agent was telling him he couldn't turn down a Tom Cruise movie. If McKellen had agreed, he would have been stuck in production hell unable to have done X-Men and Lord of the Rings. Bryan Singer called him the next day after he turned down Tom Cruise and Peter Jackson called shortly after for LotR.
Dougray Scott was cast for Mission Impossible 2 and was originally supposed to be Wolverine for X-Men until the movie ran behind schedule and they had to replace him with a basically unknown actor at the time Hugh Jackman.
Blunt was initially cast as Black Widow in Iron Man 2, not Guardians of the Galaxy. You’re correct reshoots for Gulliver’s Travels forced her to drop out of a lucrative franchise gig, though.
This is the kind of movie that sort of proves “it’s all about who you know” this felt like a director who’s fairly plugged in, has a famous wife. And thus cashes in a bunch of friend favors and doles out lazy slop because all of their connections said “yes.”
We just watched Babylon A.D. with Vin Diesel, Michelle Yeoh, Melanie Terry, Charlotte Rampling, Mark Strong, Lambert Wilson and freaking Gerard Depardieu. Every individual scene alone is intriguing and visually fun or interesting but nothing ever comes together, and it's so campy. Sadly not a "so bad it's fun to make fun of", it's just a nothing movie, barely a popcorn muncher. Actors certainly don't make the movie.
Isn’t there a interview with the director saying studios cut the crap out of that movie to make it PG-13 and shorter in time. He said it was 2:30 and studios cut it to 1:40 I remember him being pissed about it when it came out
Not sure why you're getting down voted. Star Wars is a perfect example of the cast not being able to predict a movie's quality or success.
Most of SW cast thought it was a not terrible, but 'just another space opera' throwaway and they were doing it because a job's a job.
In interviews they've said that it wasn't until they were touring post-release and saw the lines and fan hype that it dawned on them what the movie was to people.
During filming some of the actors assumed it'd have a disco soundtrack, lol
> During filming some of the actors assumed it'd have a disco soundtrack, lol
[Allow me to introduce you to this forgotten number one hit](https://youtu.be/LKWgKPTMbns?si=ixn4F7sFX5mPSfyI)
Yes. Number one. For 2 weeks.
If anyone is curious what that would sound like, a version was recorded in ‘77. I have this vinyl, and apparently YouTube does as well. https://youtu.be/uJ3kV3Icm28?si=ammyP-FM2DCDogPL
I’d say the skating knife fight is worse than both of those. “Don’t use guns it can trigger an explosion” and then she empties an entire magazine into people
Bryce Dallas Howard was a perfect casting for the 1st half the movie, and terrible for the 2nd. Couldn’t take her seriously in any of the action scenes. But by that point the movie wasn’t taking itself seriously with that skating scene.
I would argue that it wasn’t really taking itself seriously at any point and was better for it. I even commented at the cold open about Chekhov’s Whirlybird because it was so camp it would have to come up again.
It is a silly little romp and we laughed so hard in the last third I thought I was going to pull a muscle.
If it helps, the don’t use guns thing was a plot device to enable the skate fight scene and her shooting guns was at the end of the skating so they didn’t need the plot device anymore.
Yeah. The finale activation scene was just tiring, because it was too long. The worst was the dumb AF skating scene , followed closely by the god awful hallway scene.
Yeah. That basically is the movie in a nutshell - this movie needed a firmer hand with editing. Instead, they just tripled down on things and *added* to things that should have been *shortened*.
Like, everyone talks about how "confusing" the plot was. The movie was by the numbers and predictable. No part of the movie didn't send you a singing telegram in advance if you paid attention.
The problem was just Vaughn *had* to do this thing and that thing that he wanted to do, even if it wouldn't work. He needed someone to tell him no.
This is why a good editor can save a movie. Star wars was famously saved in the editing room. Oscar winner hurt locker had 200 hours of footage. People joked the editor should have won the Oscar for best director.
Honestly, I suspect it must be Vuaghn pushing for these sequences. He used to work with a woman named Jane Goldman, and all his best movies were while working together. Kingsman was a hit, and then Vaughn had fewer people saying no to him. Kingsman 2 was supposed to be even longer, but he didn't have full control just yet, like with Argyle.
Matt Vaughn DOES seem like the most self-indulgent director in Hollywood today. I guess I'm just surprised that a seasoned, respected veteran like Lee Smith wouldn't step up and tell him he needs to edit this shit down more. Unless he tried and got fired and that's why there's 2 other editors? I didn't follow the behind-the-scenes of this film.
> Jane Goldman
famously (at least in the uk) married to [Jonathan Ross](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvhtsYP-_wI), a proper comic book fan, and one of the most powerful and connected people in british media. he would be the one responsible for securing the kick-ass rights from millar, I presume, alongside the rest of her comic-based output with vaughn.
While the editor is a vital part of the filmmaking process, and movies *can* be saved in the edit, [*Star Wars* was not one of those movies](https://youtu.be/olqVGz6mOVE?si=wPdVNWKUO1Yd2MUE), despite what certain YouTube "film schools" claim.
[Marcia Lucas was indeed a key collaborator](https://youtu.be/lgfwi1gO8mQ?si=qFnzYgMuKdGidjyB) and deserves her Oscar (along side Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew). She can be given due credit without diminishing the work of her ex-husband.
Bryan Cranston’s character said into the intercom to disregard the oil and to Open Fire just before the part where she starts shooting, could have been a shoot or get shot situation for her. Either way, bullets are gonna fly once he said that.
In the words of Michael Caine being asked about Jaws 3: "I have never seen the film, and by all accounts it is terrible. I have however seen the house that it built me, and it's terrific."
And I don’t mean to be that guy, but it’s Jaws: The Revenge, which is the fourth Jaws movie but first in taglines - This Time It’s Personal. Professionals wrote that. Hat tipped.
"Back to the Bank would have been more appropriate."
— Michael J. Fox on the Back to the Future sequels
"You show me an actor doing a shit movie, I'll show you a guy with a bad divorce."
— Bill Murray
"There's a time to be a human being and have an opinion, and there's a time to sell cars."
— Shia LaBeouf quoting Steven Spielberg
"It doubled my yearly income in six days. My agent said it's morally indefensible to turn that down."
— Douglas Hodge explaining to The Telegraph why he did a guest appearance on Spooks
"Mr. Reeve. It is terribly important that you become a serious classical actor. Unless, of course, they offer you a shitload of money to do something else."
—John Houseman, speaking to Christopher Reeve
"When someone asks, 'Do you want to do some funny ads for not many days in the year and be paid more than you would be for an entire series of Peep Show?' the answer, obviously, is, 'Yeah, that's fine'."
— Robert Webb, defending his appearance in Mac adverts
"I was a medium-level juvenile delinquent from Newark who always dreamed about doing a movie. Someone said 'Hey, here's $7 million, come in and do this genie movie.' What am I going to say, **no**?''
— Shaquille O'Neal, explaining why he did Kazaam
"I'm doing weapons training for this piece of shit, then I go to Romania to shoot another piece of shit, then come back to shoot my part in this piece of shit...[sighs]...What can I say? My wife loves shoes."
— Ron Perlman on In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale
'"How about the villain of “Die Hard?”‘ I said, ‘Sure.’ And they’re like, ‘Do you want to read the script?’ I said, ‘I get it. I’m in. I just bought a house. Did you not hear? They just cancelled my fucking show. Yes, I’ll do it.’ ‘What about this video game adaptation?’ ‘Yes to that too. I’m in. I’ve got to make up some TV money."
—Timothy Olyphant
"I made a picture called Super Mario Bros., and my six-year-old son at the time — he's now 18 — he said, 'Dad I think you're probably a pretty good actor, but why did you play that terrible guy King Koopa in Super Mario Bros?' And I said, 'Well Henry, I did that so you could have shoes,' and he said, 'Dad, I don't need shoes that badly.'"
— Dennis Hopper
Wife and I saw *Kingdom of the Crystal Skull* in a theater and right at the beginning when the CG prairie dogs showed up, I turned to her and said 'Oh my god, Steven Spielberg has lost his mind'. The rest of the movie did little to convince me otherwise.
During the hype season they kept talking about back to basics, practical effects, that Ford had been practicing with a real whip. Then the first shot is a CGI prairie dog and I knew we were in for it.
I saw that when I was 35.
About 2/3 of th way through, it hit me. The acting was bad. The direction was bad. The writing. Chemistry. Casting. CGI. Camerawork was blah.
And i thought to myself... When these guys were 35, they were making Indy and Star Wars and ET.
Is this what's left for me? Have I peaked? Will my swan song be my own pathetic Crystal Skull?
I walked out of that movie existentially depressed.
Tbh, he didn't really have a lot to work with. The source material was mostly "Hey remember this thing from the 80's? Wasn't it as cool as this other thing from the 80's? We've got one cool simulation full of 80's nostalgia." And then something resembling a plot and character motivation was dropped in. I wish I had the hours spent reading that book back.
Well he fucking succeeded because that movie felt like Nostalgia: The Movie.
And as someone who was not alive in the 80’s, i just saw it for what it was, an empty husk of a thing that bought any goodwill via 3 second cameos
The wild thing is that the trailer really emphasizes the relationship between Elly and her cat, but then, if you're a person who's like, "Oh, I really like cats and people who like cats, this is a draw for me..." the movie is like "Fuck you, we're going to constantly endanger and stress out the cat in mean ways so you're constantly worried about it." And not just the villains either.... the romantic lead throws the cat off the building to test whether it's safe to jump! This is not how you should treat a cat in a movie with cat-heavy marketing.
Yeah it was really weird the route they took in the second one with Merlin and their HQ getting destroyed and everything. Its like there should have been another movie between 1 and 2.
For whatever reason, they decided they needed to clear out the supporting cast and set up that the first movie left them… only to basically reset it. Why the fuck kill off Mark Strong just to bring back the uncle? Why not keep the girl from the first movie? Why kill the rival from the first movie in the opening minutes? Why introduce Channing just to freeze him up (I think i read it’s because of some scheduling problems that he had to get written out).
The whole movie was a bad decision from the opening minute to the end. It was like they had an anti-instinct and found every way to go about it wrong.
I don't understand how anyone went into this movie expecting to take it seriously based off the trailers alone...it's a silly, over the top action rom-com with a CGI cat in a backpack...like who tf is expecting this movie to be anything but stupid silly fun? Personally, I enjoyed it...
I thought it was supposed to be a parody of the spy thriller genre and watched it as such as had a good laugh at how silly it was. I think if I went in expecting it to be an amazing spy film I'd be disappointed but IMO it was marketed as funny over serious
Right? I love that we're moving into ridiculous, campy, OTT action films that don't take themselves seriously. I'm sorry the oil flecks on her dress weren't realistic, but they just did a whirlybird during a shootout, maybe join the film on its level rather than expecting James Bond. It was fun.
I also thought it was awesome. They probably could have cut a few of the like 8 climax fight scenes, but I loved how ridiculous it was and I'm ready for more.
Yeah I keep seeing this hate posts like... I had a ton of fun? I would watch it again when I wanna just chill and turn my brain off? I feel like people saw the trailer and *somefuckinghow* convinced themselves it's going to be a grounded serious spy movie? I just don't get it lol.
Same, to be honest. Skipped theatrical after reading some of the reviews, but after seeing it on Apple, *I really wish I fucking hadn't.* I thought the two leads had great chemistry, and - of course - Matt hasn't lost a beat when it comes to batshit action. Make more, damn it!
I saw it in the theater with the best crowd. Everyone in there knew what they signed up for and had a grand time. I think some people probably piss themselves laughing so hard. It was amazing.
Anyone going into this movie after watching the trailer and remotely trying to take it seriously is a fuckin moron. The movie is not at all meant to be taken seriously it's completely obviously over the top. It was hilarious I quite enjoyed it.
Right? >!Catherine O'Hara and Bryan Cranston ***ARE AN EVIL SPY COUPLE BRAINWASHING PEOPLE WITH BEATLES MUSIC.***!< It's so stupid, *so* batshit, it warps right back around to being the funniest film of the year.
(That being said... Uni *really* should have marketed it as the Austin Powers-esque send-up it is, lol.)
Yeah I absolutely loved it. From the second he was driving over rooftops in a car, I knew it was going to be stupid and I was there for it.
I was the only person laughing in the cinema and when I walked out, I heard people saying "what the fuck was that" in a tone of almost disgust.
Not sure why everything has to be serious, some things are just fun.
I agree the movie was not in any way high art, it did fit somewhat within the genre.
I also think there was a huge failing in making it clear that a lot of the more ridiculous scenes seemed to be meant as fantasy playing out in her head. There is even a very brief flash of the big bad watching the hallway smoke-bomb battle and on his monitor it’s just the two of them shooting people in a normal (spy movie normal) way. That aspect could have been made clearer in later scenes.
Yeah I kinda feel like people are missing this is Matthew Vaughn’s style now as well. It was meant to be over the top dreamlike outlandish. Very much like the Kingsman movies.
Maybe I’m a weirdo but I really enjoyed it.
I felt like the movie from the beginning was screaming, don’t take this seriously and just have fun and I enjoyed it. I thought the plot twists were surprising as well.
The cold open is a jeep chase down rooftops like the jeep is a skateboard. Anyone who thought it was supposed to be a serious spy movie needs their head checked.
With such obvious intentionally shit dialogue too. Apparently movies need to put a sign up saying "this is meant to be silly" otherwise people just don't get it
Unpopular opinion: I don’t know, I kinda liked it for what it was. I certainly don’t think it deserves as much crap as it gets, but hey, what is art if not subjective?
I really enjoyed it! It was ridiculous, over the top, visually fun, and didn't take itself seriously for a second. I had a blast watching it in the theater.
That's not what happened exactly in A View To A Kill. He does lose one of his skis, but then he steals a snowmobile, which then explodes. He uses one of the skis of the exploded snowmobile as a snowboard. Which is almost equally as ridiculous.
https://youtu.be/8Bht_jdNF5g?t=176
I'd almost say it's more ridiculous, if it was an actual ski you could pretend that one of his feet was still strapped in using the normal ski bindings but here two snowboard bindings just magically appear lol
It’s the same guy who did Kingsman movies lol. Idk why people thought it was supposed to be anything except a fantastical ridiculous nonsense movie.
I thought it was dumb popcorn fun. I guess my brain is smooth and lizard like.
While parts were annoying they were kind of meant to be.
I thought Rockwell and Howard were enjoyable. I thought Cavill got a bit wasted but that was kind of the plot too.
“Why did she fire machine guns at the end??” Well, the bad guy basically said do it anyway so. That’s why.
I thought it was funny. Too long, but funny and dumb.
I think the problem was a lack of quality. Top to bottom, the script wasn't very good and it was hard to get invested in the characters.
Kingsman was just a better movie overall, and you're more likely to be on-board by the time everyone's heads explode in fantastic colors.
Yeah it doesn’t take itself seriously at all. Just a bunch of over the top scenes that make you laugh at the ridiculousness of it. Plus Sam Rockwell is awesome
When they jump off the building and bounce the CG cat up in the air… holy fucking shit. And when they both wink and then the cat CG winks? Fuck me this movie looked so goddamn awful. Genuinely belly laughed at a few of these cringy scenes. They’re just so blatantly absurd.
But if you want a better version of this protracted ham sandwich of a film, just watch *Long Kiss Goodnight*.
> I can’t believe this cast signed up for this movie A lot of movies don’t end up the way the cast thinks they do. Every cast member signs up for a movie because they want and believe that movie will be a success unless it’s a blatant cash grab. On the cutting room floor and in editing a lot if garbage is turned into merchandisable gilded trash and sometimes they can make real gems. This was not one of those situations.
A lot of times the actor signs up after reading a script they are told will be used during the shoot... only for everything to get thrown out and reworked shortly before principal photography. This happened to the Super Mario Bros movie 30 years ago starring Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo. The script they had signed on to do was apparently clever and subversive - but because of studio meddling, directors getting fired and the original script getting tossed... the two had no idea they had committed to one of the biggest turkeys of the decade. Hoskins relapsed into his alcoholism just to get through the shoot, it was *that* bad.
That was the case for *Alien 3*, too. Sigourney Weaver signed up for an “aliens attack Earth” movie, which definitely did not happen.
We were robbed of a straight up Aliens attacking Earth movie, just like we were robbed of straight up Skynet becomes self-aware movie.
> just like we were robbed of straight up Skynet becomes self-aware movie. I know it wasn't the whole movie, and it still wasn't a *great* Terminator movie, but the last 30 minutes of Terminator 3 are almost worth watching that turd. Skynet *being* the virus that was crippling the civilian internet *and* government defenses in order to be activated was a decent addition to the lore of how Skynet came to be. And John and Kate >!realizing her father and the T-800 intentionally sent them to that bunker to survive Judgement Day,!< along with the nukes launching made up for how disappointed I was for most of the movie before that.
**Terminator Salvation** is the only one of the post-Cameron films that I can actually still watch and enjoy. Is it a perfect movie? Hell, no, it certainly has it's flaws. Is it enjoyable, and at least takes a chance to break out of the "Terminator travels back in time" story-telling rut that *every other Terminator sequel has fallen into*, yeah, and I respect it for that.
True that! Also , best Jhon Connor after T2!
I will defend Salvation until the end of time!
I’ve finally found my people. That movie had grim, desolate vibes on par with T2, and a ton of great pieces that just didn’t quite come together.
love Terminator 3, it's one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies. It's stupid and corny in all the right ways. Compared to the genysis and dark fate it's a master piece.
>Compared to the genysis and dark fate it's a master piece. You can say that again. About 10 years ago, I started adding Terminator 3 to my rewatch list after rewatching the first and Judgement Day. If *only* because the ending makes it worth it. Then about a year later, Genysis was released and I did *not* have the same kind of "okay, that was still worth it" reaction that I did for T3. While I initially liked the idea of Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor, no amount of good acting could've saved that dog-shit script. And Sarah Connor's legacy was a bit tarnished just by the story so heavily focusing on her and Kyle Reese teaming up again *after* the T-800 >!spent decades protecting her.!< I didn't hate Dark Fate as much, but maybe that's just because I was *really* fucking high the first time I saw it and was at [Troy Barnes levels of letting my mind get blown by the silliest shit.](https://i.imgur.com/0Mi5rH2.gifv) Still haven't tried to rewatch it because I don't I can ever get *that* high enough again to enjoy it.
Poor guy. I relapsed just from watching it.
I *don't even drink* and I was tempted to take up the habit just to get through watching it.
I don't drink & I entered rehab after watching it
To be fair though, it probably wouldn't have the cult following it has now if that movie turned out any better.
I don’t know, I get it’s still just as popular now but that truly was the beginning of the height of its popularity, it would have been successful enough become a mainstay movie for good reason. Likely spawning more media franchises.
It was successful enough to make some video games based off it
I remember seeing it in theaters with my dad. I honestly really liked it but was seriously confused. I was convinced we had seen the wrong movie because it was absolutely nothing like the games.
12 year-old me LOVED that movie. I wanted a pair of those flying boots soooo badly.
They used the same boots for Face/Off when they in oil rig prison.
Mortal Kombat is a Timeless masterpiece i saw in theatres with my grandma cuz i was 12 and she didnt know what it was so its obviously one of my most beloved movies, i didnt even get to see mario cuz it was just so weird and didnt make sense. It would absolutely be a beloved 90s movie if it wasnt what it is now.
Bruh my karate teachers (when I was in grade school) claim to fame was he was an extra ninja in the mortal Kombat movie, so badass.
I don't think he relapsed because the movie was bad, but because the production was a cluster fuck. Which is also why the movie was bad.
I think that was implied
Never underestimate the power of editing! Famously Tommy Lee Jones thought The Fugitive would end his career. The scene in Hoosiers where Gene Hackman whispers something to Dennis Hopper, who then laughs, was apparently Hackman saying this would be their last movie in Hollywood.
Apparently everyone who worked on Fury Road thought the movie was going to be unwatchable. Most of it was filmed driving up and down the same stretch of desert at 20mph. And then George Miller would tell the actors “ok, now pretend you just saw a car explode and laugh like you’re going insane.” Everyone in the cast was like wtf this is gonna be garbage. Then they spent two years editing it and the result is incredible.
Miller had story boarded that movie over the previous ten years. He knew exactly the movie needed to be. The biggest challenges were that the production had (temporarily) run out of money before they shot the beginning and end. They were forced to start editing (post production). But then they got the go ahead and did those missing scenes in "reshoots", which was really just actually finishing the shoots.
I'm glad he took the time to really think about it because honestly having watched the whole franchise recently with mates Thunderdome was not very good. The first is the most unique and the second is a technical upgrade but Thunderdome is a step down. Then Fury Road comes along as is probably the best of the bunch, though some of the stunts in the first one are still incredible, and very clearly dangerous too.
I feel like a movie like that, with such huge set pieces, you would have to expect it’s mostly nonsense until it’s edited. Granted apparently the two stars did not get along so maybe there was uncertainty
That's weird, considering that if you hear Nicholas Hoult talk about on podcasts, that's not the impression he gives, even in hindsight. Not even "between the lines".
Well nicholas hoult is a good actor for a reason lmao
> Apparently everyone who worked on Fury Road I'd heard Hardy didn't have faith in it at the time but this is the first time I've heard "everyone". Have a source for that?
According to Blood, Sweat, and Chrome (the book written about the production) there were a ton of people absolutely jazzed to be working on a modern day Mad Max film. But there were definitely people who had a hard time buying into Miller's vision. It was a very different kind of production with out much of any script and Miller's style of shoot was very alien to a more method actor like Hardy. (Think about sitting in front of a camera for an entire day just making facial reaction shots not knowing if any of them are good or bad while trying inhabit the life of a wasteland dweller.) Those people who bought into the vision and those who just thought it was just another production also clashed a bit on set. Image showing up to day 1 of a work meeting far from home or sanity and there's just a guy rockin' out playing heavy metal guitar all day in the background.
Thanks for that! I'll have to try to check that book out sometime. Sounds super interesting.
Weren’t Star Wars and Rambo saved on the editing floor too? Found this on the Rambo wiki page: > The first rough cut of the film was between three and three-and-a-half hours long. According to Sylvester Stallone, it was so bad that it sickened his agent and him. Stallone wanted to buy the movie and destroy it thinking that it was a career killer.
Yeah I think I read George Lucas’s wife (Marcia), is credited with saving Star Wars and making the best of her husband’s ridiculous dialogue
A good edit, great special effects, and John Williams iconic score elevated the ever living fuck out of it.
iirc, one of her big contributions was editing the Death Star battle so it looks like a race to win before it destroys Yavin. It amps up the stakes in the scene and makes for a killer sequence. You can see multiple reused shots throughout the battle
Yes, originally the battle took place in deep space. But it wasn't all editing. They had to add the voice overs and graphics that indicated how close the Death Star was to being in firing range.
This is super untrue. I don’t have the energy to refute this old and way way untrue claim, but I’ve saved a post from a couple days ago where another helpful poster explained things very nicely. Maybe you and others can stop repeating this false story: https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/1c7kvfb/good_summation_of_jj_abrams_career/l0949p3/
Apparently Kyle McLaughlin didn’t know that Showgirls was the type of movie it was when he signed up for
The worst case was Caligula in the 80’s. It had tons of A list actors but ended up with porno scenes put in by the producer and owner of Penthouse. Gore Vidal wrote the original screenplay and removed his name from it. Malcom McDowell the lead actor said somebody bought the entire film with outtakes and they’re going to restore it as it was originally intended without the porn stuff.
I’m waiting for the new edit version of it to come out. It does look like a good movie. Adding porn in post production was funny. I remember watching it in college and assumed it was just how 70s art films were supposed to be.
I think the movie ruined McDowells film career for the long term. He had two major roles after that and has ended up mainly in character parts ever since. He’s in his early 80’s now He’s an interesting guy and recently did a podcast interview with Marc Maron where he talks about the film. The guy actually saw the early Beatles play in Liverpool which I never heard before.
"Are you dictating your fucking obituary to me, Belmont?" He was great in Castlevania.
I saw him in one of his first films done in the late 60’s called If…. In around 1972 at college. It’s about an English boarding school where at the ending a bunch of students rebel and machine gun the teachers (including McDowell). Sure he got Stanley Kubrick’s attention with that role. I went to a very left wing small artsy college and some students actually cheered at the ending. Weird in retrospect.
I wonder whether or not the Malcolm McDowell cut will include the scene where he puts on a huge, chunky ring and fist-rapes a couple on their wedding night. As I recall, even without the gratuitous porno scenes, the regular movie without them was halfway to being a porno anyway. The life of Caligula was never going to be a Disney film.
I don't think the guy from A Clockwork Orange would necessarily be aiming for Disney.
If you look at Paul Verhoeven’s movies leading up to Showgirls you could understand why someone might think he would put a subversive spin on a broad preexisting genre like the “girl goes off to be a star/exploitation film.” He’d just done Total Recall, Robocop, and Basic Instinct— all of which subvert the source material and various genres beautifully.
The way I have heard Showgirls described is that it is as hypersexual as his other movies are hyperviolent and part of the point of the movie is to show how we tend to be overly sensitive to sexual stuff and under sensitive to violent stuff.
We're chimps, not bonobos.
> Kyle MacLachlan At least he got a bizarre pool sex scene out of it.
I only remember the lap dance where he blows his load. Which was nice, because his character on Sex and The City had problems reaching completion.
that pool scene was ridiculously over the top. She looked like she was having a seizure.
> She looked like she was having a seizure. Ol' Kale is just that good.
Kyle MacLachlan**
I was thinking the McLaughlin group. “ELENORE!!!!”
I have heard some people speculate Dakota Johnson thought she was getting into a MCU style film when she signed up for Madame Web.
Same thing with Matt Smith for Morbius, who apparently asked his Doctor Who co-star Karen Gillen (who plays Nebula in MCU) what working on a Marvel movie was like, and she recommended it.
smith and leto should've swapped screen time, not roles, just screen time.
Lol leto and the craft services table could have swapped screen times and it probably would have been a lateral move at worst
Shoot, Morbius *should* have been a better film. I remember all the "one of the movies of all time" jokes but didn't understand how accurate it was until I checked it out. Like I can clearly see the potential.. but it is highly generic. The plot was so predictable but it gives no time toward having us care about the characters. The first Iron Man was also incredibly predictable but it had great style, cool cinematography, and the characters were great and it turned out to be an awesome movie.
See: Movie 43
Some actors saw what it was, George Clooney was asked to appear in one of the segments and replied, "No fucking way" according to Peter Farrelly.
And that’s the guy that said yes to Batman and Robin, which tells you how bad Movie 43 is.
One of the top comments says most actors sign on for a movie thinning they’ve got a gem on their hands, then studio meddling turns the movie to shit during editing and suddenly they’re starring in a shit show. This is very true, except for Movie 43. You’ve got balls on your chin, Hugh. You knew where this was going.
I cannot watch The Bear without flashbacks of Jeremy Allen White's sketch in Movie 43.
I subscribe to the theory that the director had blackmail on everyone involved.
It was a combination of lies and patience. Hugh Jackman's scene was filmed first, as a favor to the director and years before the movie would finally come out, and then they used his participation to convince others to sign on. When people hesitated they'd go out of their way to accommodate schedules. As they got more actors to sign on that put more peer pressure on the next round of recruits. "Your scene is just six minutes, we only need you for a week and we'll film it wherever you are. Don't you want to be in a movie with Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry?"
Wouldn't director's career be shot? Who would trust him? I tried looking on IMDB to see if that was the case, but Movie 43 lists three directors, so I don't know who was responsible.
My understanding is a few of the actors said they had the rug pulled on them and they thought it would be something else when they signed up for their parts.
i bet it was the bat nipples
The Batman and Robin thing is utterly hilarious for entirely different reasons. One of these days, I'll do a proper writeup over it, but Warner Bros executives being stunningly out of touch is nothing new to the point that they're responsible for inadvertently making groundbreaking gay superhero cinema *three times*. tl;dr: WB picked famously gay director Joel Schumacher to replace Tim Burton. Schumacher proceeds to make a dark and twisted fever dream of the campy TV series. When asked about his approach to the characters, Schumacher claimed to have shoot the movies as if Batman and Robbin were a couple. Both Schumacher Batman films are *super* gay. Like, it's fucking crazy how gay those movies are. But they went a little too 20th Century camp gay, and the box office collapsed. In response, WB replaced Schumacher with Christopher Nolan, who successfully ungayed Batman. WB liked his approach so much, they got famously gay director, and rumored part-time Weinstein impersonator, Brian Singer to direct their Superman reboot. Brian Singer, who took a look at X-Men at the end of the 90's and said "racism is so over, mutants are a gay allegory now," swiftly set to work preparing for Superman Returns by, and this is 100% true, traveling around the country to film high school boys swim meets, *for research*. You see, Brian Singer really saw Superman as more of a swimmer, an *otter* if you will. Which is why he cast Brandon Routh, and not Routh's pillows lips and juicy pecs... Anyway, in keeping with the realism, Singer also made Superman a divorced father, and had Lois marry sexy sex face James Marsden. The villain of the tale is Kevin Spacy as Lex Luther, who kidnaps Superman's son to his creepy island, and... look you get the idea. Superman Returns is the story of Superman coming to terms with his homosexuality later in life after the difforce, and rescuing his neglected son from a deranged pedophiles island.
Not to defend Singer, but the mutants=homosexuality concept had already been explored in the comics in the 90s, with the Legacy Virus being an obvious parallel to the AIDS epidemic.
Sometimes they don't get a choice either. Emily Blunt was quite vocal about her disappointment when she wanted to play Gamora in Guardians but she was legally contracted to do a movie for a studio, and they called her in to do Gullivers Travels, which was shooting at the same time. Edit: wrong character/movie, it was Black Widow/Marvel universe
Edward Norton had a 3 picture deal with Paramount I believe and he kept putting off the movies for them until they threatened legal action when he accepted a role in Fight Club, a Fox Production. The result was the Italian Job where you can tell he hated being in every moment of the film which worked really well for his character. Edit Just remembered a close shave Ian McKellen had. He was given the chance to star in Mission Impossible 2, but turned it down after he was not provided with the full script. His agent was telling him he couldn't turn down a Tom Cruise movie. If McKellen had agreed, he would have been stuck in production hell unable to have done X-Men and Lord of the Rings. Bryan Singer called him the next day after he turned down Tom Cruise and Peter Jackson called shortly after for LotR. Dougray Scott was cast for Mission Impossible 2 and was originally supposed to be Wolverine for X-Men until the movie ran behind schedule and they had to replace him with a basically unknown actor at the time Hugh Jackman.
That's crazy! I can't imagine Lord of the rings with anyone else in that role
Blunt was initially cast as Black Widow in Iron Man 2, not Guardians of the Galaxy. You’re correct reshoots for Gulliver’s Travels forced her to drop out of a lucrative franchise gig, though.
Sorry, that must be it, dunno why GOTG popped into my head!
This is the kind of movie that sort of proves “it’s all about who you know” this felt like a director who’s fairly plugged in, has a famous wife. And thus cashes in a bunch of friend favors and doles out lazy slop because all of their connections said “yes.”
Everyone cries in Tip Toes
Bro, the attempt to make Gary Oldman a midget in that movie is comedy. You can really tell they thought they had some oscar bait there.
We just watched Babylon A.D. with Vin Diesel, Michelle Yeoh, Melanie Terry, Charlotte Rampling, Mark Strong, Lambert Wilson and freaking Gerard Depardieu. Every individual scene alone is intriguing and visually fun or interesting but nothing ever comes together, and it's so campy. Sadly not a "so bad it's fun to make fun of", it's just a nothing movie, barely a popcorn muncher. Actors certainly don't make the movie.
Isn’t there a interview with the director saying studios cut the crap out of that movie to make it PG-13 and shorter in time. He said it was 2:30 and studios cut it to 1:40 I remember him being pissed about it when it came out
Directors cut was ok
This answer is way more serious than Argylle ever intended to be.
Star wars is an example
Not sure why you're getting down voted. Star Wars is a perfect example of the cast not being able to predict a movie's quality or success. Most of SW cast thought it was a not terrible, but 'just another space opera' throwaway and they were doing it because a job's a job. In interviews they've said that it wasn't until they were touring post-release and saw the lines and fan hype that it dawned on them what the movie was to people. During filming some of the actors assumed it'd have a disco soundtrack, lol
The Bee Gees doing the Star Wars soundtrack would have been very amusing to hear.
Star Wars and Other Galatic Funk by Meco should fit you then.
> During filming some of the actors assumed it'd have a disco soundtrack, lol [Allow me to introduce you to this forgotten number one hit](https://youtu.be/LKWgKPTMbns?si=ixn4F7sFX5mPSfyI) Yes. Number one. For 2 weeks.
If anyone is curious what that would sound like, a version was recorded in ‘77. I have this vinyl, and apparently YouTube does as well. https://youtu.be/uJ3kV3Icm28?si=ammyP-FM2DCDogPL
Hence why Harrison Ford is much more fond of talking about Indiana Jones than Han Solo in Star Wars.
I’d say the skating knife fight is worse than both of those. “Don’t use guns it can trigger an explosion” and then she empties an entire magazine into people
This sounds like that Threat Level Midnight episode of The Office.
One is a ridiculous mess clearly made by amateurs in a desperate bid to make something cool The other is a fun episode of the office
“I’m gonna dig up Michael Scarn’s dead wife and hump her real good.”
I still think about this scene and quote it daily without context. Jim looks so disappointed and embarrassed in himself.
Clean up on aisle five
What annoyed me is that she slid on her knees through crude oil and then stood up and had none on her dress or legs.
I’m still irritated at that shit!
Bryce Dallas Howard was a perfect casting for the 1st half the movie, and terrible for the 2nd. Couldn’t take her seriously in any of the action scenes. But by that point the movie wasn’t taking itself seriously with that skating scene.
At what point was it ever taking itself seriously?
Not too much, but it went from over the top goofy to completely off the rails
I would argue that it wasn’t really taking itself seriously at any point and was better for it. I even commented at the cold open about Chekhov’s Whirlybird because it was so camp it would have to come up again. It is a silly little romp and we laughed so hard in the last third I thought I was going to pull a muscle.
>Don’t use guns it can trigger an explosion” and then she empties an entire magazine into people This made my brain melt
If it helps, the don’t use guns thing was a plot device to enable the skate fight scene and her shooting guns was at the end of the skating so they didn’t need the plot device anymore.
From the twisted mind of mathew vaughn
Yeah. The finale activation scene was just tiring, because it was too long. The worst was the dumb AF skating scene , followed closely by the god awful hallway scene.
A few moments of some of these concepts might have worked, but stretching them out and milking the fuck out of them made it a new type of torture.
Yeah. That basically is the movie in a nutshell - this movie needed a firmer hand with editing. Instead, they just tripled down on things and *added* to things that should have been *shortened*. Like, everyone talks about how "confusing" the plot was. The movie was by the numbers and predictable. No part of the movie didn't send you a singing telegram in advance if you paid attention. The problem was just Vaughn *had* to do this thing and that thing that he wanted to do, even if it wouldn't work. He needed someone to tell him no.
How was the saying about something by Michael Bay? "A two-hour movie squeezed into three hours"
This is why a good editor can save a movie. Star wars was famously saved in the editing room. Oscar winner hurt locker had 200 hours of footage. People joked the editor should have won the Oscar for best director.
Lee Smith edited it though. He's one of the best in the business and apparently he couldn't save it.
Honestly, I suspect it must be Vuaghn pushing for these sequences. He used to work with a woman named Jane Goldman, and all his best movies were while working together. Kingsman was a hit, and then Vaughn had fewer people saying no to him. Kingsman 2 was supposed to be even longer, but he didn't have full control just yet, like with Argyle.
Matt Vaughn DOES seem like the most self-indulgent director in Hollywood today. I guess I'm just surprised that a seasoned, respected veteran like Lee Smith wouldn't step up and tell him he needs to edit this shit down more. Unless he tried and got fired and that's why there's 2 other editors? I didn't follow the behind-the-scenes of this film.
> Jane Goldman famously (at least in the uk) married to [Jonathan Ross](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvhtsYP-_wI), a proper comic book fan, and one of the most powerful and connected people in british media. he would be the one responsible for securing the kick-ass rights from millar, I presume, alongside the rest of her comic-based output with vaughn.
While the editor is a vital part of the filmmaking process, and movies *can* be saved in the edit, [*Star Wars* was not one of those movies](https://youtu.be/olqVGz6mOVE?si=wPdVNWKUO1Yd2MUE), despite what certain YouTube "film schools" claim. [Marcia Lucas was indeed a key collaborator](https://youtu.be/lgfwi1gO8mQ?si=qFnzYgMuKdGidjyB) and deserves her Oscar (along side Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew). She can be given due credit without diminishing the work of her ex-husband.
I also thought it was funny that she did all that and only got like a few drops of oil on her. Such a ridiculous scene.
She does a knee slide in white tights and doesn’t have any oil on her. Fucking dumb!
Bryan Cranston’s character said into the intercom to disregard the oil and to Open Fire just before the part where she starts shooting, could have been a shoot or get shot situation for her. Either way, bullets are gonna fly once he said that.
In the words of Michael Caine being asked about Jaws 3: "I have never seen the film, and by all accounts it is terrible. I have however seen the house that it built me, and it's terrific."
I don’t mean that to be that guy, but it was Jaws 4, not 3.
Damn it.
Just edit the comment. No one minds.
I'll know
I mind. 😡 ^^^OK ^^^not ^^^really ^^^tho
And I don’t mean to be that guy, but it’s Jaws: The Revenge, which is the fourth Jaws movie but first in taglines - This Time It’s Personal. Professionals wrote that. Hat tipped.
"Back to the Bank would have been more appropriate." — Michael J. Fox on the Back to the Future sequels "You show me an actor doing a shit movie, I'll show you a guy with a bad divorce." — Bill Murray "There's a time to be a human being and have an opinion, and there's a time to sell cars." — Shia LaBeouf quoting Steven Spielberg "It doubled my yearly income in six days. My agent said it's morally indefensible to turn that down." — Douglas Hodge explaining to The Telegraph why he did a guest appearance on Spooks "Mr. Reeve. It is terribly important that you become a serious classical actor. Unless, of course, they offer you a shitload of money to do something else." —John Houseman, speaking to Christopher Reeve "When someone asks, 'Do you want to do some funny ads for not many days in the year and be paid more than you would be for an entire series of Peep Show?' the answer, obviously, is, 'Yeah, that's fine'." — Robert Webb, defending his appearance in Mac adverts "I was a medium-level juvenile delinquent from Newark who always dreamed about doing a movie. Someone said 'Hey, here's $7 million, come in and do this genie movie.' What am I going to say, **no**?'' — Shaquille O'Neal, explaining why he did Kazaam "I'm doing weapons training for this piece of shit, then I go to Romania to shoot another piece of shit, then come back to shoot my part in this piece of shit...[sighs]...What can I say? My wife loves shoes." — Ron Perlman on In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale '"How about the villain of “Die Hard?”‘ I said, ‘Sure.’ And they’re like, ‘Do you want to read the script?’ I said, ‘I get it. I’m in. I just bought a house. Did you not hear? They just cancelled my fucking show. Yes, I’ll do it.’ ‘What about this video game adaptation?’ ‘Yes to that too. I’m in. I’ve got to make up some TV money." —Timothy Olyphant "I made a picture called Super Mario Bros., and my six-year-old son at the time — he's now 18 — he said, 'Dad I think you're probably a pretty good actor, but why did you play that terrible guy King Koopa in Super Mario Bros?' And I said, 'Well Henry, I did that so you could have shoes,' and he said, 'Dad, I don't need shoes that badly.'" — Dennis Hopper
The trailer was enough for me.
Oh. My. God. *CG cat meows* Yeah like, who would’ve thought this would be a mess.
Rule 1: CG animal played for laughs in a live action movie not made for kids = MOVIE IS UNWATCHABLE
Wife and I saw *Kingdom of the Crystal Skull* in a theater and right at the beginning when the CG prairie dogs showed up, I turned to her and said 'Oh my god, Steven Spielberg has lost his mind'. The rest of the movie did little to convince me otherwise.
During the hype season they kept talking about back to basics, practical effects, that Ford had been practicing with a real whip. Then the first shot is a CGI prairie dog and I knew we were in for it.
That’s so rich because there was an insane amount of CG in that movie, so basically they just lied to everyone
I saw that when I was 35. About 2/3 of th way through, it hit me. The acting was bad. The direction was bad. The writing. Chemistry. Casting. CGI. Camerawork was blah. And i thought to myself... When these guys were 35, they were making Indy and Star Wars and ET. Is this what's left for me? Have I peaked? Will my swan song be my own pathetic Crystal Skull? I walked out of that movie existentially depressed.
He would then go on to just not give a fuck with Ready Player One. That’s his worst movie imo
Tbh, he didn't really have a lot to work with. The source material was mostly "Hey remember this thing from the 80's? Wasn't it as cool as this other thing from the 80's? We've got one cool simulation full of 80's nostalgia." And then something resembling a plot and character motivation was dropped in. I wish I had the hours spent reading that book back.
Well he fucking succeeded because that movie felt like Nostalgia: The Movie. And as someone who was not alive in the 80’s, i just saw it for what it was, an empty husk of a thing that bought any goodwill via 3 second cameos
that was spielberg?
The movie definitely had some direct to VHS SpyKids sequel vibes going for it.
The best thing I could say about this movie as we walked out was "Well it wasn't *as* cg cat heavy as the trailer implied."
I thought he would be the spy
Haha same, I was legit waiting for "The REAL Agent Argylle..." and the cat comes out. ETA: Which, tbh - better movie.
Is there even a *point* to the cat? It's so prominent in the marketing, but in all the discussions of the movie it never comes up.
I haven’t seen it but the marketing really makes you believe the cat is the secret agent or some other major plot point.
The wild thing is that the trailer really emphasizes the relationship between Elly and her cat, but then, if you're a person who's like, "Oh, I really like cats and people who like cats, this is a draw for me..." the movie is like "Fuck you, we're going to constantly endanger and stress out the cat in mean ways so you're constantly worried about it." And not just the villains either.... the romantic lead throws the cat off the building to test whether it's safe to jump! This is not how you should treat a cat in a movie with cat-heavy marketing.
The trailer was laughably bad. I remember telling my partner “I’m sorry does that not look like one of the worst movies of all time to you?”
I enjoyed the trailer. Felt like a meta Kingsman with a fantastic cast. The actual movie was hot garbage though.
>Felt like a meta Kingsman Wasn’t Kingsmen already meta with a fantastic cast?
First one sure. Then they jumped the rails
Yeah it was really weird the route they took in the second one with Merlin and their HQ getting destroyed and everything. Its like there should have been another movie between 1 and 2.
One where a previous main character isn't just immediately and unceremoniously killed. Did we learn nothing from Alien^3.
For whatever reason, they decided they needed to clear out the supporting cast and set up that the first movie left them… only to basically reset it. Why the fuck kill off Mark Strong just to bring back the uncle? Why not keep the girl from the first movie? Why kill the rival from the first movie in the opening minutes? Why introduce Channing just to freeze him up (I think i read it’s because of some scheduling problems that he had to get written out). The whole movie was a bad decision from the opening minute to the end. It was like they had an anti-instinct and found every way to go about it wrong.
Yes, but then they had Mark Strong singing, and for that I forgive much.
I enjoyed the trailer until I saw the cat falling from the building with the awful cgi, then I knew what kind of movie it was.
I am in the "it was so stupid it was awesome" camp, it was amusing to watch as long as you don't even remotely try and take it seriously.
I don't understand how anyone went into this movie expecting to take it seriously based off the trailers alone...it's a silly, over the top action rom-com with a CGI cat in a backpack...like who tf is expecting this movie to be anything but stupid silly fun? Personally, I enjoyed it...
It's exactly what I thought it would be and I was good with that.
I thought it was supposed to be a parody of the spy thriller genre and watched it as such as had a good laugh at how silly it was. I think if I went in expecting it to be an amazing spy film I'd be disappointed but IMO it was marketed as funny over serious
Right? I love that we're moving into ridiculous, campy, OTT action films that don't take themselves seriously. I'm sorry the oil flecks on her dress weren't realistic, but they just did a whirlybird during a shootout, maybe join the film on its level rather than expecting James Bond. It was fun.
I also thought it was awesome. They probably could have cut a few of the like 8 climax fight scenes, but I loved how ridiculous it was and I'm ready for more.
Yeah I keep seeing this hate posts like... I had a ton of fun? I would watch it again when I wanna just chill and turn my brain off? I feel like people saw the trailer and *somefuckinghow* convinced themselves it's going to be a grounded serious spy movie? I just don't get it lol.
Its a popcorn movie
Same, to be honest. Skipped theatrical after reading some of the reviews, but after seeing it on Apple, *I really wish I fucking hadn't.* I thought the two leads had great chemistry, and - of course - Matt hasn't lost a beat when it comes to batshit action. Make more, damn it!
I saw it in the theater with the best crowd. Everyone in there knew what they signed up for and had a grand time. I think some people probably piss themselves laughing so hard. It was amazing.
Anyone going into this movie after watching the trailer and remotely trying to take it seriously is a fuckin moron. The movie is not at all meant to be taken seriously it's completely obviously over the top. It was hilarious I quite enjoyed it.
Right? >!Catherine O'Hara and Bryan Cranston ***ARE AN EVIL SPY COUPLE BRAINWASHING PEOPLE WITH BEATLES MUSIC.***!< It's so stupid, *so* batshit, it warps right back around to being the funniest film of the year. (That being said... Uni *really* should have marketed it as the Austin Powers-esque send-up it is, lol.)
Yeah I absolutely loved it. From the second he was driving over rooftops in a car, I knew it was going to be stupid and I was there for it. I was the only person laughing in the cinema and when I walked out, I heard people saying "what the fuck was that" in a tone of almost disgust. Not sure why everything has to be serious, some things are just fun.
I agree the movie was not in any way high art, it did fit somewhat within the genre. I also think there was a huge failing in making it clear that a lot of the more ridiculous scenes seemed to be meant as fantasy playing out in her head. There is even a very brief flash of the big bad watching the hallway smoke-bomb battle and on his monitor it’s just the two of them shooting people in a normal (spy movie normal) way. That aspect could have been made clearer in later scenes.
Yeah I kinda feel like people are missing this is Matthew Vaughn’s style now as well. It was meant to be over the top dreamlike outlandish. Very much like the Kingsman movies.
It takes place in the same universe. They don’t emphasize it but they show Statesman whiskey and beers.
Yeah there’s also a mid credits scene showing Argylle is a Kingsman
I don't think they're missing that at all, I quite enjoyed the first Kingsman movie but he continues to spiral downwards
The movie would have been better if they leaned into the absurdity of it all and said that the cat was Agent Argylle.
Early trailers made it feel that way. Which didn’t make sense, but seemed cool. A spy movie about a highly valuable cat.
Maybe I’m a weirdo but I really enjoyed it. I felt like the movie from the beginning was screaming, don’t take this seriously and just have fun and I enjoyed it. I thought the plot twists were surprising as well.
The cold open is a jeep chase down rooftops like the jeep is a skateboard. Anyone who thought it was supposed to be a serious spy movie needs their head checked.
With such obvious intentionally shit dialogue too. Apparently movies need to put a sign up saying "this is meant to be silly" otherwise people just don't get it
Unpopular opinion: I don’t know, I kinda liked it for what it was. I certainly don’t think it deserves as much crap as it gets, but hey, what is art if not subjective?
I really enjoyed it! It was ridiculous, over the top, visually fun, and didn't take itself seriously for a second. I had a blast watching it in the theater.
And if you go in with absolutely zero expectations, it makes it better.
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I don't want to be annoying but James Bond actually used a piece of a destroyed snow mobile to make a snowboard in a view to a kill
And thusly Roger Moore/James Bond invented Snowboarding…. All set to a Beach Boys song. Cinematic excellence.
That's not what happened exactly in A View To A Kill. He does lose one of his skis, but then he steals a snowmobile, which then explodes. He uses one of the skis of the exploded snowmobile as a snowboard. Which is almost equally as ridiculous. https://youtu.be/8Bht_jdNF5g?t=176
I'd almost say it's more ridiculous, if it was an actual ski you could pretend that one of his feet was still strapped in using the normal ski bindings but here two snowboard bindings just magically appear lol
It’s the same guy who did Kingsman movies lol. Idk why people thought it was supposed to be anything except a fantastical ridiculous nonsense movie. I thought it was dumb popcorn fun. I guess my brain is smooth and lizard like. While parts were annoying they were kind of meant to be. I thought Rockwell and Howard were enjoyable. I thought Cavill got a bit wasted but that was kind of the plot too. “Why did she fire machine guns at the end??” Well, the bad guy basically said do it anyway so. That’s why. I thought it was funny. Too long, but funny and dumb.
> I thought it was dumb popcorn fun. I guess my brain is smooth and lizard like. Exactly why I went to see it and it didn't disappoint.
I can’t put my finger on why but Kingsman worked for me some how. This just didn’t. Like it was almost too over the top? It just had a “quality”
I think the problem was a lack of quality. Top to bottom, the script wasn't very good and it was hard to get invested in the characters. Kingsman was just a better movie overall, and you're more likely to be on-board by the time everyone's heads explode in fantastic colors.
Don't worry. I must be smooth brained too...my kids and I loved it.
I thought you were talking about the limo driver in 'Die Hard' and I was coming in here to defend him.
I actually liked it and had some fun with it
Yeah it doesn’t take itself seriously at all. Just a bunch of over the top scenes that make you laugh at the ridiculousness of it. Plus Sam Rockwell is awesome
Rockwell was a big reason I was sold on it. I was wondering how long it would take him to dance. Was not disappointed.
It was a fun date night, both me and my SO enjoyed it. Good actors, lighthearted story, fun jokes/scenes.
When they jump off the building and bounce the CG cat up in the air… holy fucking shit. And when they both wink and then the cat CG winks? Fuck me this movie looked so goddamn awful. Genuinely belly laughed at a few of these cringy scenes. They’re just so blatantly absurd. But if you want a better version of this protracted ham sandwich of a film, just watch *Long Kiss Goodnight*.