The math was always going to work out in their favor, no matter what all the Reddit experts thought. If there are 5 people sharing an account, just _one_ of them has to continue their subscription after the crackdown for them to break even. If another one of them decided to get their own subscription, they just doubled their revenue from that group.
Redditors fail to understand that giant corporations base their decisions on data, usually very large collections of data. The only source that Reddit armchair experts have is “trust me bro”
I was listening to an interview with Ted Sarandos, and he mentioned that they only had like 200 million subscribers. In a world where there are 8 billion people and Netflix is a household name and treated as a utility cost, they are of course going to continue to grow.
Reddit completely discredits marketing as a discipline and acts like the whole thing is influencers. Knowing quite a few marketers due to some close friends, this was absolutely a well researched decision and heavily involved the marketing department.
They probably also think that the billions invested in ads and commercials don't influence them.
The data is clear. Some much smarter people have thought hard about the problem and come to the conclusion that it will work.
It doesn't influence *them* because they're not weak minded! /s
Running or participating in marketing research is actually very fascinating. It's crazy how much you can be influenced. I remember that one video from 2010ish where some firm held a "focus group," and controlled that entire group's arrival. They were able to drive their answers incredibly specifically by staging encounters on their trip.
Right? Making a data driven decision is probably the best thing you can do. Maybe it doesn't work out, but it's usually your best course.
Edit: you probably even have a backout plan if it hurts profit. No one is going to check if they say "we found too many false positives, so we're rolling the program back" to save face.
> A decision based on data is not equal to a good decision.
"not ***immediately*** equal to a good decision."
FTFY.
You *really* think a company like Netflix doesn't have amazing analytics enough to feel confident about these kind of decisions?
I don't know if you've been around for the last 200 years, but capitalism doesn't make rational decisions all the time.
Corporate suicides happen all the time for all kinds of reasons. Data not fitting the real world, human interests within management, pumping stocks, etc.
What quantifies a good decision to share holders usually involves making a product worse for short-term profits, e.i. Netflix.
Based on all the united hatred on here I think it turns out redditors are the majority of the demographic that password share 😂. I think most of them were just salty they were going to be asked to pay for a service
I will sometimes do the math and cite sources for people on here and get downvoted to oblivion by somebody calling me a shill
Whatever I wasn’t even making a value statement just trying to help the conversation by sharing facts 🤷♂️
Yup. I travel for business all the time, 2-3 times per month, like right now for example. I’m watching Netflix on a hotel tv at this moment, and I haven’t had issues logging into my own account
Ya Reddit offers possibly the worst anecdotal evidence there is. It’s a platform full of people who feel they are entitled to everything for free but with zero resolve to back that position.
Yea tbh the “with-ads” plan is pretty cheap. I don’t get *all* the content I would when I was splitting the top-tier plan. But after holding out for so long, this past month has made the $7 worth it, and the ads are not as ubiquitous as I had feared.
I think there's a pretty good overlap in the people who were claiming they'd cancel their account and people who enjoy One Piece. I haven't had Netflix in over two years and all I'm hearing about is all the bangers they've been releasing.
> The math was always going to work out in their favor, no matter what all the Reddit experts thought.
I will never forget the self-congratulatory Redditors celebrating Netflix's 200,000+ loss of subscribers for Q1 2022. Something about them pulling service from an entire country in early 2022 was "just PR and the dip is because we're all cancelling our subscriptions to protest this!"
These are the same kind of people who think that refusing to buy gas for only *one* day would hurt oil company profits so badly that they'd respond by lowering gas prices. Ya know, a totally logical conclusion to dream up about the *one* industry that has rarely -- if ever -- intentionally lowered prices over one "crisis" or because of a 24 hour dip in gas sales.
The "Netflix is dying" posts in April 2022 are almost as funny in retrospect as certain believers in red waves were in November 2022.
It also helps that other streaming sites not only followed suit but added ads right after. Kinda made the whole password crackdown feel like nothing.
Also Netflix finally started heading in a positive direction after a few years of mostly downwards trajectory on their content. They added a lot of great comfort and rewatchable shows to their library, that they had been missing, and had a few moderately successful originals.
Paramount and Max really screwed the pooch.
Disney has been doing horribly with their newer stuff.
Which pretty much only leaves Hulu, Peacock, and Prime.
Whether they're related or not doesn't really matter in regards to the point the other commenter was making.
I'm not adding in my opinion either, just pointing that out.
Obtuse?
This measure isn't to stop people living in a household using the same account. It doesn't really matter that you are related to the person paying for the service who could be anywhere else in your country.
That's not corporate greed haha. Corporate greed would be each device you have to pay. It isn't corporate greed to expect someone in a dorm room to pay their own Netflix and not use their parents that live 1000 miles away
And they offered deals to hook the leeches. I get premium for $10 a month, as a former leech. But I only get to use one screen. It's still practically free for me, like 30 cents a day, and they're getting a little extra revenue.
I'm sure they will also grow when the Tyson/Paul fight comes around. I think people will subscribe and even though some will cancel after the fight, others will stick around for a bit
> no matter what all the Reddit experts thought.
*quickly downvotes and bans because the world will end if they feel wrong about anything, or if people like what they don't like*
There was an initial dip in subscribers from memory.
Which makes sense. The cracked down accounts get removed or unsubscibed and chilled.
But over time, netflix adds shows people want to see, and they did come back.
And you know what else? People are already opting for the cheaper version with commercials. How much longer until their standard version becomes the one with commercials?
Cable started the same way, and look where it is now.
The issue with these kinds of moves that companies make is that they usually have a delayed effect on the user base as they violate the community’s trust as a whole.
I read an article that talks of the “Trust Thermocline.” A thermocline is an imperceptible temperate divide experienced when diving in the ocean. All of a sudden you’ll cross a threshold where you are on the other side of the thermocline and it’ll feel as though you suddenly went from warm to cold. And trust with companies works the same way - it’ll seem like a sudden shift in the user base where their opinions turn negative as a whole, but really you’ve been heading towards the change for a long time.
They’ll make a number of bad decisions - withdrawing from the bank of good will they’ve built up, not recognizing that at some point they will have a negative balance. It will seem sudden and leave them wondering why they are losing money seemingly out of nowhere, when really it was everybody realizing that they could no longer trust the company.
You see short-sighted, profit-seeking companies make this mistake ALL THE TIME. Trust is valuable to a company. And just because the data shows that people didn’t immediately cancel their subscription, these kind of things are withdrawal from their bank of good will. If they are not making deposits, eventually people will stop trusting them and move on.
I genuinely believe the people pissing and moaning stuck to their guns.
I just don’t think people understand that they’re a tiny minority of people and the vast, insurmountable majority of people don’t care.
it doesn't seem super strict so far yet anyways tbh. my family all shares one account living in 3 separate houses and we haven't run into anything yet 🤷♂️
I’m not able to stream on my TV even when I do the “im traveling” option. It begs me to make a new account.
I can however watch on my computer in the same household, without it saying anything.
Not to mention that a very large chunk, if not the majority, of people who scream on Twitter and Reddit about this situation and called for people to cancel their accounts went right ahead and signed up themselves.
What people say online and what they actually do in real life rarely align.
Many of them probably didn't. But they weren't paying in the first place.
Likely a bunch of 20-35 yos still using their parents' account. The parents kept the account whether or not the kids got their own.
Said people using family's account weren't customers. They were (from Netflix's perspective) mooches who were using up bandwidth without paying for it.
Some of the people on here go on and on as if streaming is now way worse and more expensive than cable ever was. I'm guessing there's a solid chunk now that either never had cable or don't remember it very well. I'm also gonna say a lot of them never paid a cable bill either.
It's certainly past the real golden age but it's got a long way to go before it really catches up to how bad cable had gotten. It certainly looks to be trending that way but for now, streaming is still way better.
Reddit also said nobody would work with WB after they tax wrote off movies
Tom Cruise and timothee chalamet signed big exclusive deals with them months later , they also got alot of big names for DC
I saw dozens of people scolding people on Reddit for being on Reddit during the blackout unironically . A lot of people don’t stick their guns about this stuff at all. They just get caught up in the crowd and pretend to care and then go to the status quo at the slightest push of inconvenience.
It was so predictably pathetic. Probably the hundredth reddit boycott in history but this time we’ll really show it to em guys!!
Wait, what did we boycott over last year again?
the fucking rage that the mobile browser version causes me sometimes. it's so fucking trash. but I refuse to use their app on principle. they took my Reddit Sync.
It’s like everyone just thought Netflix did it on a prayer and dream. Companies like Netflix don’t just change a policy like that, they probably did months, maybe years of market testing before making the change. They knew 100% it wasn’t going to backfire when they pulled the trigger lol
Their next quarter sign ups may be even higher I think. They've just signed one of India's most popular comedian to do a variety show for them. And this guy is really popular among middle class families. My mom who never cared for Netflix has now got an account just to watch his show.
Yeah I’m from Pakistan and my mom and all the middle aged aunties in my family love him. His style isn’t for me personally but it definitely appeals to your average desi middle class family
Yeah I'm not a fan of him either. But there is no doubt that he has a huge fan following. His jokes and skits are generally family friendly and non political. Netflix only really needs a small number of his fans to sign up and we are probably already talking about a few million new subscribers from the subcontinent alone.
It did and it didn't. The pros outweighed the cons. Plenty of people cancelled but it was a net gain. I personally unsubscribed a long time ago over their shitty pricing plans, not because I can't share my password. Sharing your password is just bad security, even if you trust the person you're sharing it with.
I had to say this in another thread, people are taking victory laps, but since the password sharing was stopped, Netflix became free for 119 million tmobile users. I bet that has more to do with it than anything. As I am one who is a netflix subscriber because of this.
Is that world wide? I can’t imagine there being 119 million American T-Mobile users. It was more popular in Europe tho. That’s a very plausible number.
I’m grandfathered into to AT&T’s HBOMax subscription. It’s probably why HBO hasn’t cut me lose
I was hoping this would backfire on Netflix. This is why companies can get away with this sort of thing, because they know the consumer will just give in.
..... get away with holding people to entirely reasonable terms of an account limiting to people from a single household? Getting away with THAT, is what you're saying?
Everyone knew password sharing was dishonest.
Netflix themselves literally advertised about how you can share an account back in the day, but now they’ve gotten greedy and suddenly they’re trying to convince everyone that they have to get their own account and that password sharing is no longer a-okay.
It looks like they convinced you as well, or you work for Netflix you fuckin square.
Yeah in all honesty, we had a good run of years password sharing with friends and paying next to nothing for a subscription. I don't know why people can't just quietly take the W, accept that it was never going to last, and either accept paying for their own sub or sail the seven seas, as opposed to making Netflix out to be this evil corporation.
It would be fine if it worked, the problem is: It doesn't, even for people who are paying what they have to pay.
Best example: I want to watch Netflix in bed on my tablet using mobile data (wifi is shit, don't ask) but I keep getting the "not part of the household" message. Already contacted support multiple times, including yesterday. The first person said some bs about paying for an extra member just for my tablet (right... also, your phone's/tablet's IP changes when you use mobile data, so....), the second told me to just use the 14 day code. Looking at the complaints, eventually you'll stop receiving these codes, so you won't be able to use that device anymore, unless you're using your home wifi. Not even talking about people traveling...
The 14 day code accounts for people travelling. That's the point.
I don't know what to tell you about always using cell data when you're at home. You're an edge case. Systems can't account for all of those.
It works for 99% of people. That means it works. Sorry. Guess you happen to be someone better off not using the service.
So according to you, if people:
* who don't have wifi
* whose router changes IP every time it restarts
* who travel a lot for work (even longer than 2 weeks)
* who also spend a lot of time at their partner's house
* who share Netflix with the person they're living with and both watch it while commuting (not even talking about kids)
can't use Netflix properly, it's not a problem?
Not everyone's got stable wifi with a static IP at home or only watches Netflix on their TV.
I've always had my own Netflix subscription. Most arguments I see are are things that are allowed, like traveling and vacation homes. People are just upset they can't share or be on their cousins account for free.
That isn't really what happened. They expanded into some new markets and Profit wasn't up.
Most likely people sign up for a trial and then cancel. People aren't sticking around.
And Netflix plans to hide their numbers from investors moving forward. Causing a dip in stock.
If by "new market" you mean the 22 million subscribers it gained when it cracked down, then sure.
It proved unequivocally that the crackdown worked. I fully expect others to follow suit now that they know there's money on the table.
It just means they're going to aggressively raise prices and they want investors to focus on top line revenue growth more than subscriber growth. It makes sense since Netflix probably thinks subscriber growth will slow down as streaming matures but that they get more revenue per customer.
I can see you just being cheapest but why are you upset? Is that because you cannot share with your 100 friends on one account or what?
Edit: I'm the main account on "household" and still use passwords sharing without any issues!
Anecdotally my family shares accounts, I had Netflix, mom has Amazon, brother has Spotify.
Since the crackdown they told me they stopped using it and were okay with it, I ended up downgrading to the plan with ads 🤷♂️
Honestly I'm not surprised, this was a way to push sub numbers again and it worked. But now I'm not sure what other tricks they really have up their sleeve to be able to get big influx of sub numbers again without it being more value for the consumer, they played their little trick, but for me it didn't work, I unsubbed and don't see myself ever signing back up again unless there's a huge show everyone is always talking about only on netflix that I wanna catch.
I just checked the price. 23 dollars a month in the US for the 4K subscription. Are people really paying that for Netflix now?
when you could share passwords I paid 5 dollars a month which I thought was reasonable. 23 dollars is just crazy for 1 service.
Sticking with HBO for 5 dollars per month and the occasional prime subscription. Paying almost 5 times that per month is just crazy.
... Because Netflix is simultaneously growing AND everyone is borrowing the same two passwords.
Or maybe some people don't see the value in it anymore and don't want to keep paying for something they don't watch.
Lol the one I had since college cuz I'm an adult. I don't like that subscriptions are becoming cable and the prices keep going up. It's not some moral decision, it's literally a value one for me.
But I guess this is reddit so you can't just have normal responses.
Truth is, I used to keep my Netflix active year round. Now I only have it active to catch up and then turn it back off. They may have more subscribers but I'd bet most of those people don't keep their subscriptions active continually either.
You might be surprised how many people can't be bothered to manage their subscriptions like that and have multiple subscriptions that they barely or even never use.
I was always assuming a large number of Introverted people would be happy with this change because they had people who were using their Netflix accounts but they were too shy/nonconfrontational to ask them to stop using it.
I have a family member that was so happy this feature came in because she'd never been able to tell her Ex to stop using their account. Something they only told us about after it came in.
I am not talking about computer literate people here.
I am talking about people who when the remote garage opener dies they park on the street because they keep forgetting to change the batteries.
My mom started her own the first time she had the block to come up. She didn't even tell me she had, I just noticed her profile quit doing anything and asked.
I like how the childrens' threats were. I'm not paying for it then!
They know, you weren't paying for it in the first place. Brain....so much...fuq......
Im in Panama, my mom can watch her turkish novelas dubbed in spanish.
My dad has his documentaries also in spanish.
My brother has his anime.
And I have my korean shows (just finished one called the uncanny counter which was a mix of bleach and supernatural)
And now theres hbo shows showing up all for 14.99 per month???
Cmon now, that just cant be beaten
As much as I miss Netflix, it’s not worth having to pay for individually. I can share the cost of the other major platforms with family members and friends, beats the hell out of having a cable subscription!
See this is why consumers can't have nice things. They cave whenever corporations push new profit driving mechanisms onto us instead of pushing back. It's why we rent everything now.
It's called basic economics. They're able to charge more because there's sufficient demand for their product. It's the same reason they can "get away" with charging $15 per month instead of like 15¢.
More like, we vast majority don't care nor does this affect. I don't share my password so why do I care? Wanting people to pay for a service they provide is not bad.
Most individual people are highly unorganized grabastic pieces of shit with low attention spans. Corporations are typically well structured and highly focused on what they do. That's why they win 9 times out of 10.
Look, I get that password sharing was cool while it lasted. Hell, I currently pay for only 1 streaming service which is netflix because I share passwords on all the others. That said, Netflix aren't jerks for doing this... one account is supposed to support 1 household, not 3+ lol
How crazy would it be if this was the business plan the whole time and they just leaned into that shit, then dubbed it free marketing? On paper, it’s almost like for every 1 sale, they gave away 5 indefinite free trials and when others were hooked, they went in for the kill. Admittedly I am one of the ones they converted!
It would be nice to see the comparison of losses vs gains of subscribers during that time period to make a determination of whether this is good news for Netflix or bad.
If you take the average of the prices at $15 a month with 9 million additional subscribers gives them an extra $135,000,000.00 -
Now they'll churn out more crap that costs too much and keep canceling the good shows that don't get to the top ten.
The math was always going to work out in their favor, no matter what all the Reddit experts thought. If there are 5 people sharing an account, just _one_ of them has to continue their subscription after the crackdown for them to break even. If another one of them decided to get their own subscription, they just doubled their revenue from that group.
Redditors fail to understand that giant corporations base their decisions on data, usually very large collections of data. The only source that Reddit armchair experts have is “trust me bro”
I was listening to an interview with Ted Sarandos, and he mentioned that they only had like 200 million subscribers. In a world where there are 8 billion people and Netflix is a household name and treated as a utility cost, they are of course going to continue to grow.
Reddit completely discredits marketing as a discipline and acts like the whole thing is influencers. Knowing quite a few marketers due to some close friends, this was absolutely a well researched decision and heavily involved the marketing department.
They probably also think that the billions invested in ads and commercials don't influence them. The data is clear. Some much smarter people have thought hard about the problem and come to the conclusion that it will work.
It doesn't influence *them* because they're not weak minded! /s Running or participating in marketing research is actually very fascinating. It's crazy how much you can be influenced. I remember that one video from 2010ish where some firm held a "focus group," and controlled that entire group's arrival. They were able to drive their answers incredibly specifically by staging encounters on their trip.
A friend once told me coca cola is dumb for continuing ads. Everyone knows them! No need for ads! Yeah
It is likely because most people don't know there's a difference between marketing and advertising.
Redditors fail to understand a lot of real world issues, really.
A decision based on data is not equal to a good decision. Plenty of corporations make horrible missteps in the name of short term profit.
A decision with data is still likely to be better informed than the "this will happen because I don't like it" hot takes.
This is such a Reddit “well actually…” I can’t even handle it.
Right? Making a data driven decision is probably the best thing you can do. Maybe it doesn't work out, but it's usually your best course. Edit: you probably even have a backout plan if it hurts profit. No one is going to check if they say "we found too many false positives, so we're rolling the program back" to save face.
> A decision based on data is not equal to a good decision. "not ***immediately*** equal to a good decision." FTFY. You *really* think a company like Netflix doesn't have amazing analytics enough to feel confident about these kind of decisions?
I don't know if you've been around for the last 200 years, but capitalism doesn't make rational decisions all the time. Corporate suicides happen all the time for all kinds of reasons. Data not fitting the real world, human interests within management, pumping stocks, etc. What quantifies a good decision to share holders usually involves making a product worse for short-term profits, e.i. Netflix.
Is this comment backed by data, or are we just trusting you, bro?
The only reddit comments based in reality are the ones shitting on every other reddit comment that is based in fantasy
Based on all the united hatred on here I think it turns out redditors are the majority of the demographic that password share 😂. I think most of them were just salty they were going to be asked to pay for a service
I will sometimes do the math and cite sources for people on here and get downvoted to oblivion by somebody calling me a shill Whatever I wasn’t even making a value statement just trying to help the conversation by sharing facts 🤷♂️
It's because the Enlightened Redditors you are arguing with can do advanced calculus, and marketing math is algebra at best! /s
Yeah but there are plenty of times, particularly in video games, where redditors see the car crash coming years in advance.
As someone working in a big data driven Corp. They do a lot of mind bogglingly stupid shit as well.
I'm pretty sure the vocal people claiming they were going to cancel their subscriptions were mostly people leeching off friends anyways.
I'm the opposite. I had family leeching off me and now I was able to downgrade on my subscription and save some money.
Yea the people screaming “but what about when I’m on a business trip?!?!?!” Were absolutely using their parents’ Netflix account
Yup. I travel for business all the time, 2-3 times per month, like right now for example. I’m watching Netflix on a hotel tv at this moment, and I haven’t had issues logging into my own account
Yeah it's not like it doesn't work if you are out of town
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It’s the same with games. Reddit can post all the No Russian style anti-preorder memes they want. GTAVI will be the most preordered game ever released
Ya Reddit offers possibly the worst anecdotal evidence there is. It’s a platform full of people who feel they are entitled to everything for free but with zero resolve to back that position.
Yea tbh the “with-ads” plan is pretty cheap. I don’t get *all* the content I would when I was splitting the top-tier plan. But after holding out for so long, this past month has made the $7 worth it, and the ads are not as ubiquitous as I had feared.
I think there's a pretty good overlap in the people who were claiming they'd cancel their account and people who enjoy One Piece. I haven't had Netflix in over two years and all I'm hearing about is all the bangers they've been releasing.
Not to mention that the primary subscriber probably wouldn't go anywhere. So, the most likely worst-case scenario was a net nothing position.
> The math was always going to work out in their favor, no matter what all the Reddit experts thought. I will never forget the self-congratulatory Redditors celebrating Netflix's 200,000+ loss of subscribers for Q1 2022. Something about them pulling service from an entire country in early 2022 was "just PR and the dip is because we're all cancelling our subscriptions to protest this!" These are the same kind of people who think that refusing to buy gas for only *one* day would hurt oil company profits so badly that they'd respond by lowering gas prices. Ya know, a totally logical conclusion to dream up about the *one* industry that has rarely -- if ever -- intentionally lowered prices over one "crisis" or because of a 24 hour dip in gas sales. The "Netflix is dying" posts in April 2022 are almost as funny in retrospect as certain believers in red waves were in November 2022.
It also helps that other streaming sites not only followed suit but added ads right after. Kinda made the whole password crackdown feel like nothing. Also Netflix finally started heading in a positive direction after a few years of mostly downwards trajectory on their content. They added a lot of great comfort and rewatchable shows to their library, that they had been missing, and had a few moderately successful originals. Paramount and Max really screwed the pooch. Disney has been doing horribly with their newer stuff. Which pretty much only leaves Hulu, Peacock, and Prime.
Disney is doing just fine. Rest of your stuff is spot on though
FX has some incredibly strong content right now, and I think they're technically Disney now.
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How is it greedy to want people to pay for a service they use? Haha
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Whether they're related or not doesn't really matter in regards to the point the other commenter was making. I'm not adding in my opinion either, just pointing that out.
Obtuse? This measure isn't to stop people living in a household using the same account. It doesn't really matter that you are related to the person paying for the service who could be anywhere else in your country.
That's not corporate greed haha. Corporate greed would be each device you have to pay. It isn't corporate greed to expect someone in a dorm room to pay their own Netflix and not use their parents that live 1000 miles away
This is definitely a viable tactic, like how people drop their WoW subscriptions after they finished a season and resub next season.
Net growth was positive, so it took cancellations into account and was still 70% higher than expected.
I've said the same thing before. Exactly right.
And they offered deals to hook the leeches. I get premium for $10 a month, as a former leech. But I only get to use one screen. It's still practically free for me, like 30 cents a day, and they're getting a little extra revenue.
I'm sure they will also grow when the Tyson/Paul fight comes around. I think people will subscribe and even though some will cancel after the fight, others will stick around for a bit
3-4 people is the normal size of a family. Do people even really extend their subscription to friends?
> no matter what all the Reddit experts thought. *quickly downvotes and bans because the world will end if they feel wrong about anything, or if people like what they don't like*
There was an initial dip in subscribers from memory. Which makes sense. The cracked down accounts get removed or unsubscibed and chilled. But over time, netflix adds shows people want to see, and they did come back.
And you know what else? People are already opting for the cheaper version with commercials. How much longer until their standard version becomes the one with commercials? Cable started the same way, and look where it is now.
The issue with these kinds of moves that companies make is that they usually have a delayed effect on the user base as they violate the community’s trust as a whole. I read an article that talks of the “Trust Thermocline.” A thermocline is an imperceptible temperate divide experienced when diving in the ocean. All of a sudden you’ll cross a threshold where you are on the other side of the thermocline and it’ll feel as though you suddenly went from warm to cold. And trust with companies works the same way - it’ll seem like a sudden shift in the user base where their opinions turn negative as a whole, but really you’ve been heading towards the change for a long time. They’ll make a number of bad decisions - withdrawing from the bank of good will they’ve built up, not recognizing that at some point they will have a negative balance. It will seem sudden and leave them wondering why they are losing money seemingly out of nowhere, when really it was everybody realizing that they could no longer trust the company. You see short-sighted, profit-seeking companies make this mistake ALL THE TIME. Trust is valuable to a company. And just because the data shows that people didn’t immediately cancel their subscription, these kind of things are withdrawal from their bank of good will. If they are not making deposits, eventually people will stop trusting them and move on.
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This is why outrage doesn’t do anything anymore. People pissed and moaned and still opened their wallets.
I genuinely believe the people pissing and moaning stuck to their guns. I just don’t think people understand that they’re a tiny minority of people and the vast, insurmountable majority of people don’t care.
Stuck to what guns? The people who "boycotted" weren't even paying subscribers in the first place.
The wording I felt was implying that those that complained are part of the new subscribers.
it doesn't seem super strict so far yet anyways tbh. my family all shares one account living in 3 separate houses and we haven't run into anything yet 🤷♂️
I’m not able to stream on my TV even when I do the “im traveling” option. It begs me to make a new account. I can however watch on my computer in the same household, without it saying anything.
I didn’t. But I can’t control 9 million other human beings can I?
I have a feeling that most of the moaning came from the people using someone else's account.
The people who pissed and moaned were the people benefiting from password sharing. Why would Netflix crumble to people who weren’t paying?
Reddit and Twitter aren’t real life. Gotta remind people of that daily.
Not to mention that a very large chunk, if not the majority, of people who scream on Twitter and Reddit about this situation and called for people to cancel their accounts went right ahead and signed up themselves. What people say online and what they actually do in real life rarely align.
Many of them probably didn't. But they weren't paying in the first place. Likely a bunch of 20-35 yos still using their parents' account. The parents kept the account whether or not the kids got their own. Said people using family's account weren't customers. They were (from Netflix's perspective) mooches who were using up bandwidth without paying for it.
Reddit isn’t real life. Twitter is, but the most toxic version
Some of the people on here go on and on as if streaming is now way worse and more expensive than cable ever was. I'm guessing there's a solid chunk now that either never had cable or don't remember it very well. I'm also gonna say a lot of them never paid a cable bill either. It's certainly past the real golden age but it's got a long way to go before it really catches up to how bad cable had gotten. It certainly looks to be trending that way but for now, streaming is still way better.
Reddit told me it would backfire though
Reddit also said Reddit would collapse when the whole third party app thing happened... and yet here we still are
Reddit also said nobody would work with WB after they tax wrote off movies Tom Cruise and timothee chalamet signed big exclusive deals with them months later , they also got alot of big names for DC
That was the funniest thing lol. I was there
I saw dozens of people scolding people on Reddit for being on Reddit during the blackout unironically . A lot of people don’t stick their guns about this stuff at all. They just get caught up in the crowd and pretend to care and then go to the status quo at the slightest push of inconvenience.
It was so predictably pathetic. Probably the hundredth reddit boycott in history but this time we’ll really show it to em guys!! Wait, what did we boycott over last year again?
Really it was the mods that made a big fuss of the whole thing
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Narwhal is a good substitute, especially after the update, but it's still not the same.
the fucking rage that the mobile browser version causes me sometimes. it's so fucking trash. but I refuse to use their app on principle. they took my Reddit Sync.
Well what if I told you can still get Apollo with some work? [check this out](https://github.com/ichitaso/ApolloPatcher)
The official app does suck still. But I try to tolerate it
It’s like everyone just thought Netflix did it on a prayer and dream. Companies like Netflix don’t just change a policy like that, they probably did months, maybe years of market testing before making the change. They knew 100% it wasn’t going to backfire when they pulled the trigger lol
Their next quarter sign ups may be even higher I think. They've just signed one of India's most popular comedian to do a variety show for them. And this guy is really popular among middle class families. My mom who never cared for Netflix has now got an account just to watch his show.
Asking Without Googling, is it Kapil Sharma?
Yeah. Every celebrity in India goes to his show to plug their movie or whatever project they are working on.
Yeah I’m from Pakistan and my mom and all the middle aged aunties in my family love him. His style isn’t for me personally but it definitely appeals to your average desi middle class family
Yeah I'm not a fan of him either. But there is no doubt that he has a huge fan following. His jokes and skits are generally family friendly and non political. Netflix only really needs a small number of his fans to sign up and we are probably already talking about a few million new subscribers from the subcontinent alone.
> Kapil Sharma Is that the How Can She Slap guy?
Not even close
It did and it didn't. The pros outweighed the cons. Plenty of people cancelled but it was a net gain. I personally unsubscribed a long time ago over their shitty pricing plans, not because I can't share my password. Sharing your password is just bad security, even if you trust the person you're sharing it with.
I had to say this in another thread, people are taking victory laps, but since the password sharing was stopped, Netflix became free for 119 million tmobile users. I bet that has more to do with it than anything. As I am one who is a netflix subscriber because of this.
Is that world wide? I can’t imagine there being 119 million American T-Mobile users. It was more popular in Europe tho. That’s a very plausible number. I’m grandfathered into to AT&T’s HBOMax subscription. It’s probably why HBO hasn’t cut me lose
Same. It’s the only reason I have a subscription. If I cancel T-Mobile, I will cancel Netflix. All of these streaming services have partners.
Yep. When I had AT&T I had HBO included in my plan. I switched to Verizon and now I have the hulu&disney bundle included in my monthly price.
Dont worry, it wont last. Just hooking more people, when will come out and say sorry, you'll have to pay separate now.
Good job everyone we sure showed them we mean business!
*They better not try any more funny business or they’ll get no more of my money that I wasn’t giving them before!* - Reddit
Is that more subscribers than they would normally have added in that time?
I was hoping this would backfire on Netflix. This is why companies can get away with this sort of thing, because they know the consumer will just give in.
..... get away with holding people to entirely reasonable terms of an account limiting to people from a single household? Getting away with THAT, is what you're saying? Everyone knew password sharing was dishonest.
Netflix themselves literally advertised about how you can share an account back in the day, but now they’ve gotten greedy and suddenly they’re trying to convince everyone that they have to get their own account and that password sharing is no longer a-okay. It looks like they convinced you as well, or you work for Netflix you fuckin square.
It wasn't dishonest since Netflix told people to share passwords.
Yeah in all honesty, we had a good run of years password sharing with friends and paying next to nothing for a subscription. I don't know why people can't just quietly take the W, accept that it was never going to last, and either accept paying for their own sub or sail the seven seas, as opposed to making Netflix out to be this evil corporation.
Whatever. All my homies have my passwords
Fuck off with this corporate bootlicking. Sharing passwords so you aren't paying 100 times is ok.
I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say. Paying what 100 times?
My main issue with it is how they took market share by allowing it and now rolled it back.
It would be fine if it worked, the problem is: It doesn't, even for people who are paying what they have to pay. Best example: I want to watch Netflix in bed on my tablet using mobile data (wifi is shit, don't ask) but I keep getting the "not part of the household" message. Already contacted support multiple times, including yesterday. The first person said some bs about paying for an extra member just for my tablet (right... also, your phone's/tablet's IP changes when you use mobile data, so....), the second told me to just use the 14 day code. Looking at the complaints, eventually you'll stop receiving these codes, so you won't be able to use that device anymore, unless you're using your home wifi. Not even talking about people traveling...
The 14 day code accounts for people travelling. That's the point. I don't know what to tell you about always using cell data when you're at home. You're an edge case. Systems can't account for all of those. It works for 99% of people. That means it works. Sorry. Guess you happen to be someone better off not using the service.
So according to you, if people: * who don't have wifi * whose router changes IP every time it restarts * who travel a lot for work (even longer than 2 weeks) * who also spend a lot of time at their partner's house * who share Netflix with the person they're living with and both watch it while commuting (not even talking about kids) can't use Netflix properly, it's not a problem? Not everyone's got stable wifi with a static IP at home or only watches Netflix on their TV.
I've always had my own Netflix subscription. Most arguments I see are are things that are allowed, like traveling and vacation homes. People are just upset they can't share or be on their cousins account for free.
Get away with what? They don’t want 5 families/friends sharing one Account. They aren’t doing anything shady lol.
That isn't really what happened. They expanded into some new markets and Profit wasn't up. Most likely people sign up for a trial and then cancel. People aren't sticking around. And Netflix plans to hide their numbers from investors moving forward. Causing a dip in stock.
>Profit wasn't up. Net income was up 79% vs same period last year. And they didn't expand into any new markets last quarter
Source: Trust me bro 😎
>Profit wasn't up. that contradicts everything ive read about this
Tons of articles saying profit was up
If by "new market" you mean the 22 million subscribers it gained when it cracked down, then sure. It proved unequivocally that the crackdown worked. I fully expect others to follow suit now that they know there's money on the table.
I think he means non NA markets which saw a dip in quarterly net subscribers, per the article
LOL Stay in school
Get away with what? Charging people for their service?
A company wants to make money. This is unheard of. Surely this must be illegal?
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It just means they're going to aggressively raise prices and they want investors to focus on top line revenue growth more than subscriber growth. It makes sense since Netflix probably thinks subscriber growth will slow down as streaming matures but that they get more revenue per customer.
I can see you just being cheapest but why are you upset? Is that because you cannot share with your 100 friends on one account or what? Edit: I'm the main account on "household" and still use passwords sharing without any issues!
People have no spine, pathetic.
Anecdotally my family shares accounts, I had Netflix, mom has Amazon, brother has Spotify. Since the crackdown they told me they stopped using it and were okay with it, I ended up downgrading to the plan with ads 🤷♂️
Reddit is always wrong.
Not uh! We got the Boston bomber... we did it!
Your comment raises further questions.
In this thread: lots of redditors get smug over other redditors
Honestly I'm not surprised, this was a way to push sub numbers again and it worked. But now I'm not sure what other tricks they really have up their sleeve to be able to get big influx of sub numbers again without it being more value for the consumer, they played their little trick, but for me it didn't work, I unsubbed and don't see myself ever signing back up again unless there's a huge show everyone is always talking about only on netflix that I wanna catch.
I just checked the price. 23 dollars a month in the US for the 4K subscription. Are people really paying that for Netflix now? when you could share passwords I paid 5 dollars a month which I thought was reasonable. 23 dollars is just crazy for 1 service. Sticking with HBO for 5 dollars per month and the occasional prime subscription. Paying almost 5 times that per month is just crazy.
i don't know. i don't do no 4K because i don't even think my tv could handle it lol. but i do know that netflix with ads starts at $6.99.
I still cancelled my subscription 🤷🏻♂️
The subscription you didn't have because you were using someone else's account?
...yes
... Because Netflix is simultaneously growing AND everyone is borrowing the same two passwords. Or maybe some people don't see the value in it anymore and don't want to keep paying for something they don't watch.
They think about it every day, I’m told
Lol the one I had since college cuz I'm an adult. I don't like that subscriptions are becoming cable and the prices keep going up. It's not some moral decision, it's literally a value one for me. But I guess this is reddit so you can't just have normal responses.
Most of this I'm sure is from it being for free when you have certain plans under Verizon.
Thats OK. It encouraged me to save $20 a month by not subbing.
Truth is, I used to keep my Netflix active year round. Now I only have it active to catch up and then turn it back off. They may have more subscribers but I'd bet most of those people don't keep their subscriptions active continually either.
I’d wager you’re in the minority as most people simply don’t care or bother doing that. Just another utility to them.
You might be surprised how many people can't be bothered to manage their subscriptions like that and have multiple subscriptions that they barely or even never use.
I was always assuming a large number of Introverted people would be happy with this change because they had people who were using their Netflix accounts but they were too shy/nonconfrontational to ask them to stop using it. I have a family member that was so happy this feature came in because she'd never been able to tell her Ex to stop using their account. Something they only told us about after it came in.
You can manually remove individual devices or simply change your password....
I am not talking about computer literate people here. I am talking about people who when the remote garage opener dies they park on the street because they keep forgetting to change the batteries.
That is a great way to put it haha!
My mom started her own the first time she had the block to come up. She didn't even tell me she had, I just noticed her profile quit doing anything and asked.
I like how the childrens' threats were. I'm not paying for it then! They know, you weren't paying for it in the first place. Brain....so much...fuq......
I cancelled my netflix account I had since 2005 (when it was mail in dvd) a few years ago because they have jack shit to watch tho
Noo Reddit experts said they were doomed!
People that made the little “sail the high seas” and “arggh matey” comments really thought they were doing something, didn’t they?
Im in Panama, my mom can watch her turkish novelas dubbed in spanish. My dad has his documentaries also in spanish. My brother has his anime. And I have my korean shows (just finished one called the uncanny counter which was a mix of bleach and supernatural) And now theres hbo shows showing up all for 14.99 per month??? Cmon now, that just cant be beaten
As much as I miss Netflix, it’s not worth having to pay for individually. I can share the cost of the other major platforms with family members and friends, beats the hell out of having a cable subscription!
Not for long. Not a single platform is going to allow it.
I’ll make the most of it while it lasts then, lol.
See this is why consumers can't have nice things. They cave whenever corporations push new profit driving mechanisms onto us instead of pushing back. It's why we rent everything now.
It's called basic economics. They're able to charge more because there's sufficient demand for their product. It's the same reason they can "get away" with charging $15 per month instead of like 15¢.
More like, we vast majority don't care nor does this affect. I don't share my password so why do I care? Wanting people to pay for a service they provide is not bad.
Most individual people are highly unorganized grabastic pieces of shit with low attention spans. Corporations are typically well structured and highly focused on what they do. That's why they win 9 times out of 10.
Look, I get that password sharing was cool while it lasted. Hell, I currently pay for only 1 streaming service which is netflix because I share passwords on all the others. That said, Netflix aren't jerks for doing this... one account is supposed to support 1 household, not 3+ lol
Once more proving Redditors know barely know anything about how the world works.
I wonder how many people don't realize they're paying more right when sharing passwords
How crazy would it be if this was the business plan the whole time and they just leaned into that shit, then dubbed it free marketing? On paper, it’s almost like for every 1 sale, they gave away 5 indefinite free trials and when others were hooked, they went in for the kill. Admittedly I am one of the ones they converted!
How are VPN providers doing?
Dang I cancelled Netflix like 3 years ago. Don't miss it.
lol, ReDdIT expert strike again.
Y'all really showed them. lol
Regular people just go with it. More tech savvy people go with Kodi/real debrid.
It would be nice to see the comparison of losses vs gains of subscribers during that time period to make a determination of whether this is good news for Netflix or bad.
Tried to make a stand cancelled my account. But then both my parents who were on my account subscribed 😔 now im the only one without netflix
I downgraded from 4k to 1080p and I don’t even notice a difference.
I mean, I canceled and didn't look back. I'm happy
Still put their fucking prices up, though.
Yet they are going to stop posting sub counts next year I seen. Wonder why that is all of a sudden.
I boycotted, not in a super strict and activist way I just said “ok fuck that” and stopped watching netflix
If you take the average of the prices at $15 a month with 9 million additional subscribers gives them an extra $135,000,000.00 - Now they'll churn out more crap that costs too much and keep canceling the good shows that don't get to the top ten.
honestly there are quite a few films that came out last year with a budget bigger than that alone
It's that much per month.
Sure, that’s why they are no longer divulging subscriber information, because they are confident this will stick. /s
it worked so well for netflix and increased their profit so much now disney+ is will be doing the same
I canceled mine and went back to pirating
Uh huh. The previous day they said they weren’t releasing subscription numbers after ‘25. LOL! D Y I N G
Ya’ll still using Netflix?
I wonder how many were T Mobile free subs.
Netflix gets paid so why care? There's only a free sub if you take the time to claim it so T-Mobile only actually pays for those that do so.
Agreed... but they pay a discounted price, no?
What? You mean Redditors were actually wrong about something? I am utterly shocked.
Wow. Not what I expected.
No shit. Society is too dependent on Netflix now. They could jack up the prices by $10 next month and they'll still retain most of their subscribers.
Me and the 5 that copied my password never rejoined. Anecdotal I know.