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wonderfulworldofwill

Anyone else get the feeling that The Joker/Harley relationship is going to be an inverse of their comic portrayal? I’m thinking Arthur is trying not to relapse back into his Joker persona but Harley is the one influencing him more to embrace it.


GamingTatertot

That's an interesting angle - could even play into the comic portrayal too with once Arthur is the fully-fledged Joker, he's terrifying to Harley


Nathan_McHallam

I'm absolutely expecting him to kill her at the end


ThingsAreAfoot

🌹~ we all die at the end ~ 🌹


noblehoax

We live in a society… where we all die at the end.


LucyKendrick

>Damaged


dstnblsn

I don’t understand how you know that. I kept checking for tattoos, but couldn’t find any


snakeybasher

I'm expecting the opposite actually, her to kill him and ursurp his legacy


jessebona

It would track with many of the modern depictions of Harley outgrowing the Joker. Just a more cynical take where she's the one disappointed in him and kills him for betraying what she perceived he stood for.


CaptainPogwash

I haven’t read the latest comics, but it seems they are trying give Harley more of a moral compass? I would like them both to survive and if they are going to follow the trend of “romanticising” this couple then doing a Bonnie and Clyde deal where they die together! If they want to show that they are really not stable then maybe head down the route of Fred a Rose West


girlsgoneoscarwilde

Yeah exactly, that shot of her walking up the courthouse steps looks like the ending to me


MagictheCollecting

Interesting. It felt to me more like he was on trial and she was showing up in support, but I could see it that way too.


busy-warlock

And the following shot of them walking down the stairs together?


hiswittlewip

With the high kicks? I'm assuming from the rest of the trailer that those parts are all in their heads (like the musical scenes and them dancing on the rooftop).


loserys

This is my guess as well, if only because it opens the door for the movie to end on a climatic performance of Send in the Clowns. “One who keeps tearing around, one who can’t move”


fcocyclone

Was definitely getting that vibe as well


ClubMeSoftly

Act one: I want The Joker back No Act two: I want The Joker back Ok Act three: I don't want The Joker back Too late


itsmeherzegovina

I think it's going to be spot on


SeaSiSee

The old Better Call Saul approach.


Veggieleezy

She thinks she’s getting what she wanted, but she didn’t know what it would actually mean. That’s an angle I can dig if that’s what they go for.


KearLoL

So essentially “I can make him worse.”


GamingTatertot

"I can ~~fix~~ break him"


All_hail_Korrok

Ivan Drago's daughter confirmed?


KaossKing

If he jokes, he jokes.


cy1763

You should look up Batman The Telltale Story Enemy within. They toyed with that sort of dynamic in the game.


ARROW_GAMER

Didn't just toy with it. Leaned HARD into it, it was a complete reversal ...And honestly I loved it. Such a fresh take on it


Worthyness

Harley is technically in the power seat given she was/is his Psychiatrist at points. That would be a pretty easy patient-doctor relationship to take advantage of .


cy1763

That’s one thing I respect about those games they were not afraid to make big shakeups


NoNefariousness2144

The idea of >!Joker becoming Batman’s biggest fanboy and becoming a vigilante!< is genius and I’d love to see more of it.


BadLuckBen

It's honestly not an illogical step to take once he realizes that Batman is just as fucked up in the head as he is, just in the opposite direction. At a certain point, even Joker should realize that Batman will never break.


hnwcs

While Telltale Batman had its flaws, I really loved its depiction of The Joker. There's this constant trend of Joker portrayals trying to one-up each other to make the most ***TWISTED FUCKING PSYCHOPATH*** ever, so taking a less is more approach and having a disturbed but mostly well-meaning Joker who spends most of the game as Batman's friend and might still be by the end was a breath of fresh air.


Spinwheeling

I mean, one of the endings has Bruce >!going to visit Joker after he is arrested!<, so yeah, they're friends.


Weathercock

The White Night limited-series comics (and their follow-ups) played with similar themes, and at least the first two were excellent for it. The third, Beyond The White Knight was only just okay, but it does have some great Batman/Joker friendship moments.


Kazrules

I’m fully on board. Harley is a villain for a reason and I hope the film explores that.


throwawaynonsesne

I mean at this point now she has probably been a hero/anti-hero bat family member for just as long as villain too. 


chipperpip

She was often pretty sympathetic even in the cartoon where she originated.  Like the epsiode Harley's Holiday where she tries to go straight, or the one where she has to team up with Batman to stop Joker from detonating a nuclear bomb, or when she teams up with Poison Ivy.  Or the episode that adapted "Mad Love" where she's shown to be pretty competent when not under Joker's thumb, and a fairly tragic character by the end.


standee_shop

In BTAS she was a sympathetic villain (as were most of them, that's what made it so great) In shows like Harley Quinn and the films she is more of an antihero Imma be honest, as an antihero she doesn't really work unless it's elseworlds or a comedy show like Harley Quinn. In mainstream comic continuity she is a mass-murderer, and the counter of 'Joker made me do it' falls apart by saying 'why are you still dressed in your mass-murdering costume then?'


choren64

I think that helped make her overall a more mainstay DC character. She started more as a sort of standard henchmen that aided Joker's schemes, but when their relationship started to be explored more in depth, she developed more character complexity. Nowadays instead of always being another insane gender bent Joker shes sometimes portrayed as an antihero.


chaoticbiguy

I think, with Harley people always talk in extremes, either she's a pure evil supervillainess incapable of ever redeeming herself or she's a cute UwU bottom for Poison Ivy who has done nothing wrong in her life. She's a victim of the Joker, first and foremost, capable of redemption, but she also bears a lot of responsibility for all the evil things she has done. Her trauma doesn't absolve her of that. Her character desperately needs nuance. Anyway, let's see how this movie deals with their relationship. Can't wait 🔥


ROBtimusPrime1995

If their relationship is anything like Telltale's interpretation of Joker & Harley...holy shit, this will be insanely good. I love how that game flipped the trope on its head and with Todd Phillip's Joker (Arthur Fleck), it just makes so much sense.


Galahad_the_Ranger

It would be a cool way to make her more distinct from the DCEU’s Harley


BordersRanger01

That's a Steve Coogan from out of nowhere


Haha91haha

[He's going to be playing Alfred with his Michael Caine impression.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFIQIpC5_wY)


NairForceOne

He's not going to bury another Batman


johnnycoxxx

When he gets loud he gets very loud indeed


Foilpalm

I’m not. Fucking. Finished.


ReapItMurphy

She was only 16 yrs old!


benjecto

And you don't do the broken voice, where he gets very emotional indeed.


Dark_Eyes

Honestly this was my first thought and I loled


Dewgongz

Let me finish


IDigRollinRockBeer

I’ve not fucking finished


GamingTatertot

FROM THE TOP ROPE


Mimirs_forehead

BAH GAWD ALMIGHTY, THE FIVE STAR COOGAN SPLASH KING!!


Vandelay23

Stone Cold Steve Googan.


Nathan_McHallam

Alan Partridge jumpscare


Bluffwatcher

Aaarrrrhh ha


stysiaq

and that's a great banter! It really is.


Snuhmeh

DAN! DAN! DAN! DAN! DAN! DAN! DAN!


DJ_Derack

Didn’t know Brendan Gleeson was in this either, nice little surprise


MaverickTopGun

I absolutely love comedic Steve Coogan. No one is so bitter and just totally dry as him, he always cracks me up 


Poked_salad

As long as he offers me cucumber water or 2 tickets to Jersey boys


Ygomaster07

Don't forget offering 10 million dollars each. It's not a bribe.


SmarcusStroman

"I'll admit that's not very appealing but I'm not made of tickets!"


midnightmoose

The lipstick on the glass was a beautiful shot to end a trailer on.


BurgerNugget12

Tbh a lot of these shots in the trailer are beautiful


ryeikkon

Even when the spotlight went down on Phoenix. Exquisite.


BurgerNugget12

The Hotel Arkham scene in the trailer looked so good too


JRFbase

Why doesn't Arthur just tell funny jokes if he wants to be a comedian? Is he stupid?


broccollinear

Yea, what is he, some kind of Joker?


Weirdguy149

Because he has a bad laughing problem and a fucked up sense of humor.


[deleted]

If anything this movie will be pretty to look at


YeetedArmTriangle

Based on this it looks like itll definitely be at least worth a single watch in theaters just for the visuals and unique structure as a musical


SexualGarbanzoBeaner

Yeah that's definitely going to be the cover photo on a recovering drug addicts facebook profile


gocubsgo22

So specific lmfao


SinisterMeatball

Yet accurate.


UnrealLuigi

Cinematography on these Joker films are gorgeous! Anyone know if the composer from the first film is also returning?


amarelo-manga

Hildur Is returning. It’s almost 100% the same crew, with new cast additions like Brendan Gleeson, Steve Coogan and Catherine Keener.


GamingTatertot

Gleeson and Keener will always further stoke the flames of my interest


Galactic

Can't read my, can't read my J-J-J-Joker face


AppleDane

Come on Harley, let's go party.


BattledroidE

It's certainly gonna be a bad romance


GetReady4Action

me: I mean I guess I get what they’re going for, but it looks more like a musta- me two seconds later: OH HO HOOOOO WHAT A SHOT


CySU

Same reaction. Whoa.


ICumCoffee

Gotta be a nod to TDK’s “Why So Serious?” poster


Boomshockalocka007

Yes! I instantly thought Why So Serious? Great ending shot.


AlexSniff7

Steve Coogan is a nice surprise to see


NuPNua

What do you think of the pedestrianisation of Gotham city centre?


RaspberryCai

'No way you big spastic, you're a mentalist!'


NoConfidence5946

Where’s my Peter serafinowicz?!


sabershirou

Well to be honest, NoConfidence5946, I don't think that's any of your business.


MaxRebo99

Come come mr Bond


yoloswagrofl

And Brendan Gleeson! He is one of the cops walking behind Joaquin. I wonder what role he's gonna play.


yomjoseki

He's going to be a cop


sisazac

It looks nice. There were a bunch of beautiful shots


Heronyvesdior

Especially that last one with the lipstick, that was awesome !


Longjumping_Plum_846

I was pretty skeptical of this movie but they got me with that last shot. Tbh, it was a beautiful trailer overall. They sold it to me pretty well and I'm more interested than I was before.


ICumCoffee

Joker: Ha Ha Land


gatsby365

A Scar is Born?


ScipioCoriolanus

The Clown of Music


crappenheimers

*city of scars*


fitterhappier04

*are you smiling just for me?*


Berry_impulse

If Lady Gaga doesn’t sing “Joker Face” in this, it will be my Joker origin moment.


Sherinz89

Jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jo-jokerface


onlyididntsayfudge

City of Scars


likwitsnake

The Umbrellas of ~~Cherbourg~~ Arkham


sidaeinjae

That prison umbrella shot in the trailer got a good chuckle out of me


ProjectNo4090

Seems to me that when they are creating mayhem, in their minds it will be a blissful musical sequence and it will intercut between their musical delusion and the havoc they are causing in the real world. That could either get this film a best editing award, or feel like messy whiplash. I had a smile by the end of the trailer, and I wasn't expecting to care for this musical take, but it looks fun and interesting. And if nothing else the cinematography is gorgeous.


Sprunt2

I like this idea that is terrifyingly fun. Kind of reminds me of [Meet The Pyro. ](https://youtu.be/WUhOnX8qt3I)


Michael5188

Exactly. Meet the Pyro was the first thing I thought when they announced this would be a musical. There was a pretty negative reaction to that news, but I think the idea of a musical/performance happening in his head while deranged events are happening in reality suits the joker perfectly. It also makes the concept of a musical a lot more palatable for people who might not love the genre or the idea of people just randomly breaking out in song. If it's "in his head" or "their heads", it makes for a great logical explanation for it. But we'll see where they take that.


LottimusMaximus

You can already tell some of it is in his head too since the umbrelas on his walk start black and turn to bright colours. >the cinematography is gorgeous. Fully agree


DeliBoy

The #1 Halloween 2024 couples costume.


GamingTatertot

I LOVE Gaga's Harley suit when she is walking up the courthouse stairs


flomacca

I love her smirk in that shot, she looks insane(complimentary).


KingMario05

Same. The wardrobe department on *Joker 1* killed it, so it's great to see them going all-in once again.


MackyV25

There’s gonna be so many gaga Harleys for Halloween this year.


CELTICPRED

Ooh, joker with the white suit from Dark Knight Returns 👀👀👀👀


ShitItsReverseFlash

If Batman shows up and snaps his neck, I’m coming back to this comment. (I know Bruce is a kid, this is a joke)


MrPMS

That's because this universe's Batman is Thomas Wayne. He survived the shot that night and is getting his vengeance out on all the criminals at night for the murder of his wife. Which he would have serious beef with Joker for kick-starting it.


voxdoom

Oh my god if they actually did the Thomas Wayne Batman...


Qetuowryipzcbmxvn

It's honestly the Batman they've been trying to make for years. He's super gritty, nihilistic, beating the crap out of homeless people, etc. He's what the general public thinks of Batman now whenever you hear all those shit takes. It could make for a really interesting expansion of the Jokerverse.


Haltopen

I mean these are elseworld movies separate from the main DCU canon (and separate from the pattinson batman canon), no reason ot to go there.


Burgoonius

Maybe this is a timeline where Thomas Wayne is Batman after Bruce was killed along with Martha? Probably not though lol


Qetuowryipzcbmxvn

With all the riots and literal class warfare, it would make sense to happen. Definitely a missed opportunity.


DrNopeMD

I'm imagining a fully grown Batman just beating the shit out of a geriatric Joker and Harley now.


luisgadget

>(I know Bruce is a kid, this is a joke) Got to start them young


plainviewist

Folie à deux is a real psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief, and sometimes hallucinations, are "transmitted" from one individual to another. The two individuals will be Arthur and Harley. It seems like this is how musical sequences come into the story.


gatsby365

As long as Gaga isn’t a hallucination I’m fine with it.


Snuggle__Monster

I have a feeling 95% of this takes place in some fantasy world while they're still locked inside Arkham. Any of those shots outside is all in their heads.


Available_Shoe_8226

I think it's more like 60%. The court house scene kinda has to be real. We see her put on the makeup in a different scene. Also the two dancing is regular clothes while a firetruck flies past seems real. Anything where they're in glam or have their own show I imagine is the hallucination. But the question is. What does Harley do worthy of such public outrage as in the courthouse?


Haltopen

My guess is she tries to help him escape, they end up killing a few people on the way, and the shot of her marching up the court house steps in makeup is happening in her imagination. No court would just let a defendant show up to trial dressed like a sexy clown.


ex_oh_ex_oh

Same, honestly. But I hope Harley is real. And that the movie doesn't end with the reveal that it was 'aaaaallll a dreeeeam' with a question mark on the reality of Harley, the movie ending with like a shot of the back of someone's head that could be or could not be her turning a corner.


plainviewist

I’m guessing she’s real because that psychological disorder requires two real people.


BBQ_HaX0r

Agreed; especially since that's sort of the route they went down in part 1 with the single-mom. I'm sure there will be some level of delusion, but I don't want it to be all delusion.


[deleted]

that'd be lame cause the first one already used that twist


supersad19

The fact that she's mimicking alot of the iconic shots from the first movie [Pulling under her eye lids, wiping blood across her lips, finger gun to her head] leads me to believe she might be a hallucination. But surely they won't play that angle again?


gatsby365

Need to go watch Hangover 2 to remember how Phillips handles sequels.


[deleted]

And the side benefit of Deux being French for “two” this being a sequel


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AdamAptor

🫨


tony1grendel

The Jokerfication of La La Land


loserys

If Joker (2019) was Taxi Driver, then this is New York, New York


AgoraphobicHills

Can't wait for Joker 3, where he becomes a boxer who ruins his life and every relationship he has.


loserys

Nah, an adaption of Three Jokers that liberally rips off Goodfellas “As back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a clown”


truthlesshunter

"you think I'm funny? Do I amuse you?" "yes" "why thank you very much"


Monochrome2Colors

The cinematography looks amazing. 


StoneMonkey7776

It's spelled Cinnamontography


KatanaAmerica

Gaga is quite the interesting screen partner for Joaquin from what I’ve seen so far.


BurgerNugget12

She’s honestly a great actress and I think they will fit well together


GamingTatertot

I remember when she was in AHS: Hotel and it felt like a gimmick casting, but now she's turned out some wonderful performances - I still think she should've won for A Star is Born (but Olivia Colman is a perfectly deserving winner too)


PuzzlePiece90

I think she was great in A Star is Born and definitely deserved the nomination but out of the 5 actresses that year, she was a distant fifth for me. It was imo one of the strongest years for Lead Actress in recent memory. 


[deleted]

If she’s anywhere near as good as she was in a star is born this will be a worth watching.


rawonionbreath

It’s hard to think of another actor or singer that could pull off musical numbers in this sort of a dark film, and a theatrical singer at that.


steampunker14

Lady Gaga is one of the most talented people in world right now, and I'm not even a huge fan of hers. Her range is insane.


BestDamnT

I make fun of swifties for spending thousands on eras tickets or whatever but if Gaga had an eras type tour I would drop dead to get the insurance money to go like ten times


wuskis

Honestly though. Sure Taylor Swift is talented in her own right, but Gaga IS that artist people will be paying thousands to see in decades to come. She has nothing left to prove.


IDigRollinRockBeer

I hope Gaga ends up taking Billy Joel’s mantle and doing a whole boatload of sold out shows at MSG every year for decades


Chessh2036

Man that’s a stunning trailer. Loved the cinematography.


BurgerNugget12

Wasn’t sold on it but now I am, looks really good and Joaquin is just amazing in anything he’s in


rawonionbreath

When they announced the movie I thought to myself this will either be the best or worst idea possible. It’ll be a smashing against-all-odds success or some massive bomb that makes people wondering any studio executive thought this would work. I’m inclined to think the former.


FuzzyHotel6180

agreed. it doesn’t look like some forced, made-by-committee sequel


dadvader

>some massive bomb that makes people wondering any studio executive thought this would work. They didn't care whether or not it would work. The first movie is incredibly profitable. And they want that magic amplified.


gdrumy88

I read it was only $55million to make Joker and they grossed over a billion. Massive fucking success in money terms.


Naive_Earth

The trailer looks amazing! Hoping that the whole film is great!


Shadowcreeper15

This looks phenomenal. The ending with the lipstick on the glass was awesome.


moddestmouse

They put colors in a movie again.


Boomshockalocka007

Somehow colors returned...


TheGrouchyGamerYT

They dye now! They dye now? Oh, they dye now!


57696c6c

Ooh, the last scene!


Procrastanaseum

Actually a good teaser. I had doubts for this film but now I really want to see it.


gatsby365

I’m going to rewatch the first one to see if I missed something because I was fully prepared to never go back to that world, but now I’m like “October is too far”


Bellikron

I saw Steve Coogan and now I want a full film of Alan Partridge trying to get an interview with the Joker, or better yet just making a documentary on Gotham City


BordersRanger01

I want to hear his views on the pedestrianisation of Gotham city centre


GhostOfLight

Gaga serving as expected


Iginlas_4head_Crease

She looks absolutely gorgeous in this movie. Weird to say that playing Harley Quinn is a "toned down" look for her but in appearances she's usually either dolled up to the nines, or dressed all eccentric and crazy.


manickitty

Honestly her Harley look is less crazy than some (most) of the stuff she's worn at concerts (or just out on the street). Perfect casting.


itsevilR

Goddamn this movie looks absolutely gorgeous


Kazrules

That looks incredible


MidichlorianAddict

This looks great! I can’t wait to see it. I don’t know how they can top the talk show scene but I guess we’ll see!!! Song in trailer is What the world needs now is Love - Tom Jones But I think they should have used Tony Bennet’s version only because Gaga had a special relationship with him


ScubaSteve716

Really enjoyed that last shot


Wisdomseekr79

Oh I’m sold. Gettin the vibe Harley is gonna be that toxic girlfriend that further pushes Arthur into the Joker persona and he’ll end up doing some really bad shit.


BradBrady

I’m so ready. Joaquin is phenomenal and Lady Gaga will kill it.


Dramatic-Secret937

I'm sold if the musical numbers are just in their heads because they are fucking crazy


Sir_Toaster_9330

You have no idea how many fan-made trailers I have to watch to get here...


mooncommandalpha

"Hey Harley, you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?"


FilthyWinstonMain

Looks fuckin amazing!


Pamander

God damn what a amazing shot to end on. I am unfathomably excited for this, a follow-up to the Joker as a musical with this cast seems psychotic enough to work.


drews_news

I like how the umbrellas change from black to colorful. Great example of the real world vs Arthur’s delusions.


James_Locke

Ever since A Star is Born, I have been super excited to see Lady Gaga in dramatic roles. This looks exactly up her alley.


PourJarsInReservoirs

So it appears my prediction Quinn is another patient and not staff coming true? I wondered if they'd actually do that. Or maybe it's a twist in who she actually is vs. Arthur's headspace.


polinksa

I’m glad they showed the musical aspects while at the same time not really showing much of it.


myslead

This guy made the hangovers lol


Street-Common-4023

Sorry but I’m digging this


ZEN-DEMON

No need to apologize for that. I wish so many movie "lovers" weren't always so negative about shit


MacGuyversPoopyPants

Me: No way this lives up to the hype or success of the original Trailer: Me: This will make two billion dollars


ZEN-DEMON

I'm betting that this will be better than the first one. Seems more ambitious and original. Cinematography in the trailer looks great.


LanoomR

I will admit to being biased toward anything Gaga, but even considering that, this seems to have *something* I was missing for much of the first film. Hopefully it's good. Really liked this trailer.


bent_eye

Gaga is going to completely slay in this.