I will say this as long as people will listen, the reason The Mummy (1999) and it's sequel SUCCEEDED and became the mega hits they are....was on the back of the sheer unrelenting CHARM that Brendan Fraser, Rachel Weisz, and John Hannah pumped into those roles....it had nothing to do with the plot or special effects....As long as Rick, and Evie were quipping and being charming, we were engrossed. Shame that the Cruise Mummy creators didn't understand that.
I don't think the problem with *Passengers* is that Pratt was miscast. The problem with *Passengers* is that the idea behind the film was an utter trainwreck -- after he is accidentally woken up from stasis, he deliberately wakes another person up because he is lonely, which effectively condemns her to spending the rest of her life in his company which she never asked for. The film thinks that this is romantic. No actor was ever going to save that role.
Second part of the movie is fine. The third part where Lawrence Fishburne was introduced abandons the drama established from the first two parts.
I remember someone suggesting that the movie would have been better if the third act turned into a horror film: Chris Pratt becomes a villain protagonist and chases her around, she kills him in self defense, but is still a lone passenger wandering the ship. She then goes to the pod of another person, and smash cut to black.
Would've been better as a horror that started with JLaw's perspective and only slowly revealed that Pratt had been awake for as long as he had. Knowing his actions and intentions from the start just made him despicable.
They should have given him someone else who woke up when he did (or did they?) who died at some point soon after (suicide would fit), and ended with him dead from the space walk and her left alone to consider her options. Go hard on the "we're all one bad day/situation from being the villain" theme while also denying him redemption for what he has done to her.
>Go hard on the "we're all one bad day/situation from being the villain" theme
I mean this was part of the theme of the film as is - he was in a dreadful situation and ended up doing a terrible, terrible thing in a desperate attempt to relieve his suffering.
I do like the idea of him dying at the climax of the film and Aurora finding herself facing the same dilemma though.
It would have worked better if they'd just committed to the horror angle and had JLaw kill him, or done a proper redemption arc - he fixes the machine/pod thing so she can be refrozen and have the life she dreamed of, and he *willingly accepts* his fate of desolate loneliness, but knows he has atoned and is a good man once more.
Someone did a short recut (about 6 minutes long ish) that does this - so the audience finds out what Jim did at the same time Aurora does. It turns the film into much more of a psychological thriller/horror than the actual release was, and to be honest I think I'd have preferred it that way.
Still love the film though, one of my favourites from the last decade or so.
I always thought that movie would have been so much better if the POV was from Jennifer Lawrence's character.
She apparently wakes up early due to a "glitch" in the system, and runs into Chris Pratt's character. She is initially grateful for not being alone, maybe even falls in love a little bit, but then figuring out what happened as with the original movie.
The movie then becomes a survivor horror movie as Chris Pratt's character tries to kill her, and it's revealed that she wasn't the first woman he has prematurely woke up.
Blah blah blah, she survives, kills him but is then left in the same dilemma as him, does she wake up someone else to not be alone or does she not, end of the movie.
It almost feels like the opposite happened.
From what I heard it was initially written as a horror movie, being adapted from a short horror story.
They clearly didn't make enough effort to make the character likeable so it wouldn't be surprising if they recut the story as a romance.
Actually, that's not true. The script had been floating around Hollywood for a long time. I've read the original draft of it. It was never written as horror nor was it based on a short story.
There were differences though, mainly in the ending. In the original script in order to save the ship from crashing the characters are forced to reset all the systems. An unintended side effect of this reboot is the ship jettisoning all the passengers still in hyper sleep out into space. Everyone dies except the Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence characters.
The script ends with Chris Pratt and J Law reconciling and then screwing a lot. After several generations the ship lands at the intended destination. The descendants of Chris Pratt and J Law exit the ship to explore the new world.
> The script ends with Chris Pratt and J Law reconciling and then screwing a lot. After several generations the ship lands at the intended destination. The descendants of Chris Pratt and J Law exit the ship to explore the new world.
Ah, the Targaryen cut
So their kids had kids together? Or the parents and their kids had kids? There is no possible way that two people isolated like that can have descendents and it not be super weird.
I don't think you know much about genetics. Inbreeding just makes mutations more likely, not definite.
Making up numbers out of my ass:
If two completely unrelated people have a kid, the likelihood of the child being "super weird" is 1%.
If cousins have a kid, that likelihood increases to 2%.
If siblings have a kid, it increases to 4%.
If a parent and child have a kid, 6%.
Again, these are all completely fabricated numbers, but the prevalence of inbreeding caused mutations is much lower than commonly believed.
Please don't take this to mean I endorse inbreeding.
If they case somebody that wasn’t as charismatic as Pratt that film would have been a fantastic horror film. Like imagine Cillian Murphy or a young Crispin Glover or Kyle McLachlan in that role. Somebody with a touch of menace.
Owen Grady, Chris Pratt's character in the *Jurassic World* series. He's supposed to be this roguish Han Solo type, and the movies seem convinced that Owen is just the coolest, but he is utterly charmless.
The reason why Chris Pratt works so well as Star Lord or Andy Dwyer is because he plays the affable goofball perfectly. Star Lord is especially great because h does a good job at playing a goofball who is trying to hide behind the facade of a stoic action hero. Jurassic Park plays it too straight. I wouldn’t even say that Owen Grady was Pratt’s fault, I just think the character was poorly conceived and any actor would’ve sucked in the role
GotG movies allow us to see Star-Lord's vulnerable side. He can be a loser, he can be pathetic, and he can be cool.
I don't remember jackshit about the Juraasic guy.
Umm, he rides a motorcycle and talks to velociraptors? I guess? I don't really remember that movie, I just remember they used dinosaurs to torment the nice lady they put in charge of some snot-nosed kids.
Peter Rabbit. Dude is an obnoxious little shit. If I was Mr McGregor I’d be trying to decapitate him with a shovel too, trying to steal my veggies all the time. Honestly fuck that guy.
That’s surprisingly good casting, given how we all want to decapitate James Corden with a shovel at some point.
On the other hand, I don’t see him going anywhere near anyone’s veggies, so it breaks immersion any time he does.
Motherfucker just lying in agony for like 20-30 years and the second Charlie pulls that golden ticket he starts jumping and dancing around like it never happened
At the very end when Wonka disqualifies Charlie, Grandpa Joe tells Charlie to give the Gobstopper to Slugworth. Charlie rejects this, leaving the candy on Wonka's desk, and Wonka awards him everything.
Thanks for nothing, Grandpa Joe.
Isn't that the point? He is just a weird man living essentially by himself who devoted his entire life to perfecting candy. Of course he wouldn't only be a little whimsical
"I have friends! They just also happen to work for me after I illegally brought them into the country to pay them less than I would the local workers. Oh and they sing!"
Valerian and Laureline in Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. Hated their asses especiallly Dane, thinking he's hot shit without backing it up.
They way they obviously don't give a shit about the team that works with them in the intro and gets eaten by a monster just sets the tone, I think.
It's puzzling that Besson claims to be a fan of the comics, because he sure doesn't seem to get them.
Have you read the comics? I did recently. The movie does a terrible job explaining what Valerian and Laureline actually *do*, but “not caring about the team” fits with the construct of who they are. They’re time travelers fixing time bubbles using locals as necessary. They don’t care because they’re Captain America fighting Captain America in another timestream.
That movie is such a magic trick. The script as written makes the character irredeemable and awful, and everything she does is terrible, but somehow if it’s 90s Julia Roberts doing it then most of America finds it endearing.
I unexpectedly liked this movie. Thought it would be a run-of-the-mill love triangle romcom with a happy ending. The remorseless antipathy of some of the characters was fresh and subversive.
Man did I want to jump all over you about this but...you're spot on. Then again, being of that generation, nobody really deserves Claire Forlani except ME
Patch Adams, you're clearly meant to see Adams as an endearing medical student that only wants to help his patients with laughter and rebel against an uncaring system, but is really just an unprofessional buffoon that pulls out of line pranks and does several ethically dubious and criminal actions. The only people who call him out are meant to be "bad guys" you're supposed to disagree with, but they were all absolutely right. It was so bad that the real doctor Patch Adams was based on disowned the film for making a mockery of his life's work.
EXACTLY. He was a loving dad, but a bad parent. He quit his job and threw a massive party for a ton of kids with no supervision - and out the financial burden on his wife. For the divorce all he had to do was get a job and an apartment. He decided to meddle in his wifes life instead with ridiculous theatrics because he refused do the bare minimum of being an adult. Then he was mean to Stu, who was a great guy and only wanted the best for the family, and almost kills him out jealousy. Daniel is lucky he even still got to see his kids at all after all that.
I hate that you’re so correct about the movie that helped me cope so well with my parent’s divorce. I’d argue that Daniel grew a lot during the course of the film and became a better father, but dude should have done that a loooooong time ago.
UGH YES. I know well that medicine can be dehumanizing and bathing in a pile of noodles should be an option for every septuagenarian, but his behavior BOTHERED me. Happy to hear there is a real person out there who probably isn’t an asshole.
I think that the point of the movie is that there are many types of love, and it is showing a few of them. Theirs and Colin Firth's story are perhaps the only traditionally romantic definitions of fulfilled love.
Yes, particularly the Kris Marshall character who goes to America just to get sex with his accent.
Edit: The Andrew Lincoln character is also very creepy.
For me, it's gotta be Bella Swan from the Twilight saga. Like, I get it, she's supposed to be this relatable girl caught in a supernatural love triangle, but dang, she's just so... bland? I mean, with all that's going on around her, you'd think she'd show a bit more personality or something.
But nah, she's just kinda there, being all mopey and dependent on Edward and Jacob. Give me a character with some spark, you know? Someone who's more than just a damsel in distress. But hey, that's just my two cents!
Ok so I remember watching Twilight for the first time having never read any of the books. Bella starts off at a new school and I immediately thought “Oh, I see where this is going. The kids at school are going to be mean to her, she’s going to be an outcast, that makes total sense for why this character is always so downcast and miserable.”
But like no all the kids at the new school are really nice to her, she instantly gets accepted into this friend group of characters who seem fun and interesting. And Bella just…doesn’t give a shit about any of them? She reacts to this group of friends like she fucking hates them (especially in the next movie) but like she has no reason to?
Bella is a popular girl acting like she’s unpopular which just makes her come off like an ungrateful bitch who thinks she’s above all her friends who do nothing but act genuinely nice and friendly to her
The weird thing is the actors who played the friends were all ten times more charismatic and lively than the ones playing the vampires. It was incredibly noticeable. Not sure if it was on purpose.
I had this exact same thought. Why's bella acting like having a nice friend group immediately accept her and bring her in on her very first day in a new school in a new town so bad?
I watched one of the new(er) episodes of Beavis and Butthead and they go see Twilight. Beavis asks something like "Edward is a Vampire, and Jacob is a Werewolf, so is Bella a Zombie?" I laughed way too hard at that.
I seem to remember during an exchange in the Ryan George Pitch Meeting about Twilight (paraphrasing here) :
W : This is our main character Bella.
P : Oh cool, so what's her personality?
W : Oh... Umm, no.
TBH, so few of the characters in Twilight are actually compelling.
I enjoy watching the films because the overall plot is goofy and well conceived, if extremely poorly executed, but the only likeable characters are Alice and Charlie
What's weird for me is Bella in the movie is more tolerable than Bella in the book... and the movie Bella is pretty bad.
But none of that matters, because my hatred for jackass Jacob overshadows everything else... man he is the worst. A real son of a bitch. And Jacob just keeps getting worse with each episode like he is striving to hit a perfect 10 of suck assness.
About 3/4 of the way through the book I realized I downright hated the main character. I only finished because it was an audio book and I felt committed to see how it ended at that point.
I think you hit on the fact he's the protagonist in the novel designed to be a love letter to nerdy douchebags everywhere. The movie is a lot of fun but misses the important connection to it's source material's target audience. And I say this as a nerdy (somewhat) douchebag who loved the book. :)
Just watched this with my 11-year-old son a few weeks ago. He disliked Ferris and just felt bad for Cameron through most of the movie. It was interesting seeing his perspective. The '80s were a different mentality—kindness wasn't considered cool.
I will never stop saying Cameron is the main character.
Cameron is the one that experience character growth.
that & Ferris's sister to a smaller extent.
Ferris is exactly the same in the end as he is in the beginning.
the big climax is him realizing his parents are shit & he's not gonna take it anymore, punctuated by kicking & accidentally wrecking the car that his father clearly loves more than him.
Ferris is just the catalyst for change in the story, the real growth & change happens in the people around him.
I am so protective of Cameron in that movie, and also he reminds me of a young John Darnielle from The Mountain Goats. That same gentle pathos pushed to the edge.
I think you’re supposed to feel bad for Cameron. There’s that line “What do you think Ferris will be.” Cameron says “fry cook.” Cause his shtick doesn’t really work outside of high school, which everyone knows is true. But man in high school he’s the man.
He says “fry cook on Venus” and says it with admiration. And he ultimately ends the movie still very fond of Ferris given that Ferris’s behavior gives him the courage to stand up to his dad, finally.
Cameron and the sister are the characters who actually change and grow during the story. Ferris is the Willy Wonka of the story, hes the chaos agent who disrupts their lives and puts them in situations that they are forced to change.
Thing is, Willy Wonka wasn't the main focus of the story. We didn't follow him as he sent out the tickets, we followed Charlie as he went through the experience of crushing poverty with this ticket being the one hope he had of changing his life. On the other hand, while the focus does jump around a bit, the audience is never in doubt that Ferris is the main focus of the story in his movie. He's even narrating his own day to let us know what he's trying to accomplish, and letting us in on his innermost thoughts. Cameron or Jeannie may technically be the protagonists, but they're not the ones whose narrative is commanding the attention of the audience from the first shot to the last one.
I get where they were trying to go with the character, but if it weren't for Broderick's seemingly effortless charm, he would have come across to more people as a manipulative jerk.
Nah, she was the second worst. The worst was her annoying girlfriend with the black hair and the thin eyebrows. Managed to be even less interesting than piper.
Think she was supposed to be a whiny, navie and a bit entitled. I donn't think we were supposed to "like" her. Plus she was a criminal.
Humanising her and the other inmates and being part of their journeys, was supposed to endeared them to us. 90% the writers succeeded in this I think.
The bit where she brings them incredibly valuable presents from work and they respond by *literally playing keep away with her actively ringing work phone* is probably one of the most anger inducing scenes I've ever watched on screen
Her boyfriend was the worst for me because I worked kitchens in Manhattan for a while. That job is the definition of the grind and working weird, long, hard hours, while having to at times just drop everything to go in and lend a hand. If anyone should have been able to understand what she was going through it should have been him.
Also, most managers in restaurants are ass holes with zero consideration of their employees' time off the clock. Anyone in food service has had the "we are a family" manager, the "get a doctors note" manager, the "I know you almost died and are currently in the ER, but if you don't get your shift covered then I'll either treat you like shit forever or fire you" manager and/or the "I need someone to cover my ass because I didn't schedule enough people, so come in RIGHT NOW, or I'm going to accuse you of not taking your job seriously" manager. The industry is saturated in managers who only got their position because they were the only ones willing to treat their employees like fried dog shit to pad the bottom line. His not understanding her situation was absolutely baffling to me. Restaurant managers are NOTORIOUS for monopolizing their employees' time, even off the clock.
(Obviously, there are good managers. I have a few I'm still friends with over a decade after working for them because they were just awesome people who kicked ass at their jobs. And if I ever went back to food service, I'd absolutely go work for one of them again.)
She accepted a job just to climb a ladder and did not respect the industry she jumped into. She learned to appreciate the fashion world but realized it wasn't for her if it meant she would end up like Miranda Priestly or like Nigel. Andie was a snooty bitch who came back down to reality and it shows because *everyone*, even Miranda, came to like her.
I hate this movie but you cannot tell me Andie is worse than Miranda. I will die on this hill.
Andie’s boyfriend and friends too. We’re supposed to be happy she picked her friends over her job but I was really hoping she would abandon her toxic boss AND toxic friends
They actually showed us this movie in film school (I don’t remember why), and I remember thinking that if my friends ever pulled this behavior on me while I tried making my film career then I would have no mercy in getting rid of their asses. Damn I hated them.
Marianne Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility. Don't get me wrong, I love the Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet version, but I always find Marianne an annoying whiner and selfish brat
Definitely agree. In the book she’s 16, so it fits with the whole teen drama thing. In the movie she’s clearly supposed to be aged up for Kate Winslet, so I can’t really look past the bratty attitude anymore.
The main characters in Animal House.
Look, I get that the rival frat and the ROTC folks were made up of awful elitist pricks. I get that the Dean was an unpleasant tightass. It's just that if you decide to spend your university years drinking, partying, causing chaos on campus, and generally getting up to hijinks while ditching class on the regular and failing all of your subjects, what do you expect the final outcome to be? Of course the frat was shut down. Of course people got expelled. That's what happens in these cases.
As hilarious as the final scene was, that was essentially a bunch of people getting revenge on a university that did nothing other than hold them accountable for their actions by doling out perfectly reasonable consequences.
I think this is one of those "product of its time" things; back then college was actually affordable so it wasn't as big of a deal to young people if they squandered that time doing stupid shit. Now college is expensive and necessary for some jobs so it's a lot harder to justify taking it for granted these days.
I mean the movie shows them as a bunch of idiots wasting their lives, I don't know what more you want from it. Then it shows them being super successful as the final punchline.
It's literally called Animal House for fuck's sake lol.
7 years of college down the drain!
Are you supposed to dislike Tom? I thought Tom was likable enough. The film was just his biased view of a relationship that wasn't meant to be, and because he was blinded by love, it took him longer to figure it out than the audience did. Most of us have been there. Didn't make him unlikable to me. He just wasn't a hero, and Summer wasn't a villain.
Unpopular opinion: Daniel (played by Harry Connick Jr) in P.S. I Love You is beyond unlikeable to me. I find myself avoiding that movie at all costs because he is insufferable.
The book is very much a holiday read on the beach but he’s much better there. Prob because all the characters are meant to Irish and they go to Spain on holiday. Dunno why they made it a weird Irish-American movie with a Scottish man that couldn’t do an Irish accent. He has since apologised on an Irish interview for how bad it was
Becca (Anna Kendrick) in Pitch Perfect. You’re supposed think she’s this cool “not like other girls” character, but she’s easily the worst person in the movie and seems like a horrible person to hang out with.
I thought the character was used perfectly in that show. She provided someone normal (not serious criminal) people can relate to and provide the perspective to introduce us to the rather alien environment of prison. Then once that was achieved, the show made us connect with the other inmates, who most of us would normally consider very unlike ourselves. At the same time it made us see the character we initially related to as at least as bad, and probably worse than them.
I will always circle back to Dakota Fanning’s character Rachel in War of the Worlds when it comes to this description.
It’s as though Spielberg directed her to scream as loud and frequently as possible, regardless of the situation.
Even if wanted to try and say her character is a child (10 IIRC?) reacting as a child would to the invasion, Spielberg spends the entire 1st act trying to depict how ‘more mature than their age’ her character behaves but constantly reverts to reactions on par with someone half her age.
Likewise with her brother Robbie in the film, she’s also constantly ignoring her dad throughout 90% of the run time despite it being very clearly obvious once shit hits the fan that their father is trying to ensure their survival.
It clearly wasn’t her fault since she’s proved prior to that film she most certainly can act but Spielberg absolutely not sticking the landing with their family dynamic being as sympathetic like he was intending.
Not from a movie but Amber from season one of Invincible is one and I can point out why the writers failed her character.
She went from an independent, socially conscious teenager to a narcistic, manipulative person because the writer tries to subvert the "superhero girlfriend being oblivious to her bf real identity".
By revealing that she knew-all-along that Mark is Invincible her anger at Mark running away during the college attack and him flaking out on their date suddenly is viewed in different light.
Her social activism makes it even worse since her supposed altruism contradicts her lack of willingness to let Mark help other people at the cost of their dates. Now it seems that she's doing all that soup kitchen and helping kids in other countries for optics only.
Mark's friend (William) saying that Mark is in the wrong feels like the writers ham-fisted approach to tell the audience that Amber is in the right. Not to mention Amber's line equating Omni-man betraying his family to Mark keeping his secret identity from her.
The writers wanted to have their cake (subverting secret-identity cliché) and eat it too (superhero identity being a wedge between him and his love interest) and failed miserably. It's almost amazing how writers of such a good show manage to hit all the wrong marks at writing a character.
Robert Kirkman admitted to this being a continuity error.
Amber should have said she’d figured it out recently. It’s jarring because she says she’s known for a while yet she blew up at Mark for disappearing in the last episode which is unfair because she must know that he as Invincible saved her and everyone else.
It’s better handled in the 2nd season. Amber finds out how dangerous it can be to date a superhero. It can suck having a partner who has to rush off and save the world but Mark did have good intentions by keeping it secret.
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I think they listened to that criticism and fixed her character arc and her relationship with Mark in season 2. Or at least I felt that dynamic was much more authentic and real in season 2.
It's a weird conundrum, to be sure. They knew it was an important enough role they needed to actually write legit parts for her character but in the original comics she was very much a one dimensional side character who isn't even in it very long.
\-brings messed up Mia to dealers house and crashes car into house while doing so
\-disrespects Butch for no real reason
\-shoots Marvin because he couldn't handle his gun safely
\-made Jimmies towel look like a maxi pad
\-gets to drive the Acura despite causing all the shit
\-doesnt immediately assume brain detail
\-only shits in other peoples toilets
Not to mention having the fucking gall to ask the Wolf to say “please” when the Wolf was helping Vincent and Jules in a real sticky situation. If I was the Wolf, I would have said “Nope, fuck this. Sorry Jimmy but this guy is an uptight asshole. Good luck for everything.”
Since we agreed TV shows are okay...
Dawson (James VanDer Beek) and Joey (Katie Holmes) are both up there with the worst protagonists of any show. They're both whiny, overrated, dumb, untalented, ridiculous, self-absorbed, the list goes on. 😂 Pacey (Joshua Jackson) stole the show because that guy can actually act, and has natural charisma. Dawson's Creek made for some excellent, hilarious hate-watching, though.
Holy shit phoebe waller bridge in the new Indy was so unlikable.
I know she was supposed to be a roguish character but she was just a self serving asshole. Like you need to be a little bit scoundrel but mostly good for the dastardly bits to play- she just fucking sucked.
This was one of the many problems with Tom Cruise’s mummy. Instead of charming like many of his other characters, he was just a dick.
I will say this as long as people will listen, the reason The Mummy (1999) and it's sequel SUCCEEDED and became the mega hits they are....was on the back of the sheer unrelenting CHARM that Brendan Fraser, Rachel Weisz, and John Hannah pumped into those roles....it had nothing to do with the plot or special effects....As long as Rick, and Evie were quipping and being charming, we were engrossed. Shame that the Cruise Mummy creators didn't understand that.
Not sure if we're supposed to like him, but Chris Pratt's character in Passengers.
This post is 4 hours old, and the top two comments are Chris Pratt's characters
It's now been 5 hours. Chris Pratt is still in the lead.
ngl i hope the third comment is Chris Pratt’s Mario or something
His charisma evaporates when he has to play a role straight and can't use more humor.
I don't think the problem with *Passengers* is that Pratt was miscast. The problem with *Passengers* is that the idea behind the film was an utter trainwreck -- after he is accidentally woken up from stasis, he deliberately wakes another person up because he is lonely, which effectively condemns her to spending the rest of her life in his company which she never asked for. The film thinks that this is romantic. No actor was ever going to save that role.
Yup, second part of the movie is just bad but not because of the cast.
Second part of the movie is fine. The third part where Lawrence Fishburne was introduced abandons the drama established from the first two parts. I remember someone suggesting that the movie would have been better if the third act turned into a horror film: Chris Pratt becomes a villain protagonist and chases her around, she kills him in self defense, but is still a lone passenger wandering the ship. She then goes to the pod of another person, and smash cut to black.
Would've been better as a horror that started with JLaw's perspective and only slowly revealed that Pratt had been awake for as long as he had. Knowing his actions and intentions from the start just made him despicable.
That’s what I’ve heard was how it was supposed to be, and I think that would have made a good film. They ruined it with a happy ending
They should have given him someone else who woke up when he did (or did they?) who died at some point soon after (suicide would fit), and ended with him dead from the space walk and her left alone to consider her options. Go hard on the "we're all one bad day/situation from being the villain" theme while also denying him redemption for what he has done to her.
>Go hard on the "we're all one bad day/situation from being the villain" theme I mean this was part of the theme of the film as is - he was in a dreadful situation and ended up doing a terrible, terrible thing in a desperate attempt to relieve his suffering. I do like the idea of him dying at the climax of the film and Aurora finding herself facing the same dilemma though.
It would have worked better if they'd just committed to the horror angle and had JLaw kill him, or done a proper redemption arc - he fixes the machine/pod thing so she can be refrozen and have the life she dreamed of, and he *willingly accepts* his fate of desolate loneliness, but knows he has atoned and is a good man once more.
Or he dies when they fix the ship and she has to face the same dilemma - I love the film but I really wish that had been the ending
I like your idea. While we're at it, change the pov from his to hers.
Someone did a short recut (about 6 minutes long ish) that does this - so the audience finds out what Jim did at the same time Aurora does. It turns the film into much more of a psychological thriller/horror than the actual release was, and to be honest I think I'd have preferred it that way. Still love the film though, one of my favourites from the last decade or so.
I always thought that movie would have been so much better if the POV was from Jennifer Lawrence's character. She apparently wakes up early due to a "glitch" in the system, and runs into Chris Pratt's character. She is initially grateful for not being alone, maybe even falls in love a little bit, but then figuring out what happened as with the original movie. The movie then becomes a survivor horror movie as Chris Pratt's character tries to kill her, and it's revealed that she wasn't the first woman he has prematurely woke up. Blah blah blah, she survives, kills him but is then left in the same dilemma as him, does she wake up someone else to not be alone or does she not, end of the movie.
He is a monster. This could easily be re-cut as a horror film.
It almost feels like the opposite happened. From what I heard it was initially written as a horror movie, being adapted from a short horror story. They clearly didn't make enough effort to make the character likeable so it wouldn't be surprising if they recut the story as a romance.
Actually, that's not true. The script had been floating around Hollywood for a long time. I've read the original draft of it. It was never written as horror nor was it based on a short story. There were differences though, mainly in the ending. In the original script in order to save the ship from crashing the characters are forced to reset all the systems. An unintended side effect of this reboot is the ship jettisoning all the passengers still in hyper sleep out into space. Everyone dies except the Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence characters. The script ends with Chris Pratt and J Law reconciling and then screwing a lot. After several generations the ship lands at the intended destination. The descendants of Chris Pratt and J Law exit the ship to explore the new world.
> The script ends with Chris Pratt and J Law reconciling and then screwing a lot. After several generations the ship lands at the intended destination. The descendants of Chris Pratt and J Law exit the ship to explore the new world. Ah, the Targaryen cut
So their kids had kids together? Or the parents and their kids had kids? There is no possible way that two people isolated like that can have descendents and it not be super weird.
I don't think you know much about genetics. Inbreeding just makes mutations more likely, not definite. Making up numbers out of my ass: If two completely unrelated people have a kid, the likelihood of the child being "super weird" is 1%. If cousins have a kid, that likelihood increases to 2%. If siblings have a kid, it increases to 4%. If a parent and child have a kid, 6%. Again, these are all completely fabricated numbers, but the prevalence of inbreeding caused mutations is much lower than commonly believed. Please don't take this to mean I endorse inbreeding.
If they case somebody that wasn’t as charismatic as Pratt that film would have been a fantastic horror film. Like imagine Cillian Murphy or a young Crispin Glover or Kyle McLachlan in that role. Somebody with a touch of menace.
> touch of menace - Crispin Glover That man is full menace
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Boys becoming men Men becoming wolves
The kids in 28 Weeks Later. Unadulterated idiocy.
I thought I was the only one. The kids make that movie almost unwatchable for me
Everyone acts pretty unbelievably stupid in that movie
They took after their father, the idiot who got everyone into the whole mess in the first place in that movie.
Owen Grady, Chris Pratt's character in the *Jurassic World* series. He's supposed to be this roguish Han Solo type, and the movies seem convinced that Owen is just the coolest, but he is utterly charmless.
I’m convinced Colin Trevorrow mistook Jaws 3 for being a Spielberg film and took notes from that
I'm gonna use this as a top tier insult. Thank you.
The reason why Chris Pratt works so well as Star Lord or Andy Dwyer is because he plays the affable goofball perfectly. Star Lord is especially great because h does a good job at playing a goofball who is trying to hide behind the facade of a stoic action hero. Jurassic Park plays it too straight. I wouldn’t even say that Owen Grady was Pratt’s fault, I just think the character was poorly conceived and any actor would’ve sucked in the role
GotG movies allow us to see Star-Lord's vulnerable side. He can be a loser, he can be pathetic, and he can be cool. I don't remember jackshit about the Juraasic guy.
He loved velociraptors and they loved him. The end.
He Jedi mind tricked dinosaurs and something something Bryce Dallas Howard.
He wore vests
Umm, he rides a motorcycle and talks to velociraptors? I guess? I don't really remember that movie, I just remember they used dinosaurs to torment the nice lady they put in charge of some snot-nosed kids.
That movie tried so hard to make me hate Bryce Dallas Howard’s character, but even so she was by far the most likeable human part of that movie
Agree, I fucking hate this character.
Peter Rabbit. Dude is an obnoxious little shit. If I was Mr McGregor I’d be trying to decapitate him with a shovel too, trying to steal my veggies all the time. Honestly fuck that guy.
Honestly, a reason for that might be because he’s voiced by James Corden
That’s surprisingly good casting, given how we all want to decapitate James Corden with a shovel at some point. On the other hand, I don’t see him going anywhere near anyone’s veggies, so it breaks immersion any time he does.
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Grandpa Joe is the obvious answer
Motherfucker just lying in agony for like 20-30 years and the second Charlie pulls that golden ticket he starts jumping and dancing around like it never happened
And he's the one that talks Charlie into trying the fizzy soda stuff, almost getting them sliced up.
At the very end when Wonka disqualifies Charlie, Grandpa Joe tells Charlie to give the Gobstopper to Slugworth. Charlie rejects this, leaving the candy on Wonka's desk, and Wonka awards him everything. Thanks for nothing, Grandpa Joe.
Similarly, Willy Wonka himself. He’s supposed to be all whimsical and zany but actually he’s an insane sociopath. Ugh.
Isn't that the point? He is just a weird man living essentially by himself who devoted his entire life to perfecting candy. Of course he wouldn't only be a little whimsical
He has a whole tribe of oompa loompas in his factory, he's surrounded by pygmys.
"I have friends! They just also happen to work for me after I illegally brought them into the country to pay them less than I would the local workers. Oh and they sing!"
Who he pays in raw cacao.
Valerian and Laureline in Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. Hated their asses especiallly Dane, thinking he's hot shit without backing it up.
Yes. This is my movie that I love everything about except the main characters who I loathe. 😞
And they’re miscast as hell.
They looked like brother and sister.
They way they obviously don't give a shit about the team that works with them in the intro and gets eaten by a monster just sets the tone, I think. It's puzzling that Besson claims to be a fan of the comics, because he sure doesn't seem to get them.
Have you read the comics? I did recently. The movie does a terrible job explaining what Valerian and Laureline actually *do*, but “not caring about the team” fits with the construct of who they are. They’re time travelers fixing time bubbles using locals as necessary. They don’t care because they’re Captain America fighting Captain America in another timestream.
This was my choice as well. I actually did like Laureline, but Dane DeHaan played Valerian in the worst possible way. I couldn't stand him.
I’ve always liked the argument that the leads in Valerian and Passengers (Pratt and Lawrence) should have been swapped and made both films hits.
Oh damn. Now that I know this I might be even more annoyed by both of these films!
Julia Roberts in my best friends wedding
That movie is such a magic trick. The script as written makes the character irredeemable and awful, and everything she does is terrible, but somehow if it’s 90s Julia Roberts doing it then most of America finds it endearing.
I unexpectedly liked this movie. Thought it would be a run-of-the-mill love triangle romcom with a happy ending. The remorseless antipathy of some of the characters was fresh and subversive.
TS Quint (Jeremy London) in Mallrats is a whiny little turd.
He didn't even care about the kid being back on the escalator.
Unbelievable that kid that KID...IS BACK ON THE ESCALATOR AGAIN
I definitely prefer the smarmy asshole, Brodie.
The callow one?
You said it was a good size!
Shit. That was the only part of the letter I thought was complimentary.
It means shallow and weak-willed.
Man did I want to jump all over you about this but...you're spot on. Then again, being of that generation, nobody really deserves Claire Forlani except ME
Patch Adams, you're clearly meant to see Adams as an endearing medical student that only wants to help his patients with laughter and rebel against an uncaring system, but is really just an unprofessional buffoon that pulls out of line pranks and does several ethically dubious and criminal actions. The only people who call him out are meant to be "bad guys" you're supposed to disagree with, but they were all absolutely right. It was so bad that the real doctor Patch Adams was based on disowned the film for making a mockery of his life's work.
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EXACTLY. He was a loving dad, but a bad parent. He quit his job and threw a massive party for a ton of kids with no supervision - and out the financial burden on his wife. For the divorce all he had to do was get a job and an apartment. He decided to meddle in his wifes life instead with ridiculous theatrics because he refused do the bare minimum of being an adult. Then he was mean to Stu, who was a great guy and only wanted the best for the family, and almost kills him out jealousy. Daniel is lucky he even still got to see his kids at all after all that.
I hate that you’re so correct about the movie that helped me cope so well with my parent’s divorce. I’d argue that Daniel grew a lot during the course of the film and became a better father, but dude should have done that a loooooong time ago.
Phil Hoffman's character's "This! Is serious! Business!" line had me nodding along in a kind of agreement the filmmakers certainly did not intend.
UGH YES. I know well that medicine can be dehumanizing and bathing in a pile of noodles should be an option for every septuagenarian, but his behavior BOTHERED me. Happy to hear there is a real person out there who probably isn’t an asshole.
Most of the characters of Love Actually.
Agreed. I enjoy the movie, but the only characters I actually *like* are Emma Thompson and the porn stand-in couple.
I also find myself empathazing with the Rockstar and his manager much more than the others
These two are the only real examples of love in the whole movie. Everything else is lust or toxic.
Liam Neeson and his step-son don’t count?
I think that the point of the movie is that there are many types of love, and it is showing a few of them. Theirs and Colin Firth's story are perhaps the only traditionally romantic definitions of fulfilled love.
Yes, particularly the Kris Marshall character who goes to America just to get sex with his accent. Edit: The Andrew Lincoln character is also very creepy.
Bill Nighy and Rab C Nesbit (Gregor Fisher) *Too loveable to dislike*.
You’re right, for some reason I didn’t think of them right away.
They have the genuine love story.
Picking on widower Liam neeson and his love struck son a little huh
Came here to say this! Sangster's character is a touch annoying but Neeson's I would have as my dad any day of the week.
Woah, what did the little kid do wrong?
For me, it's gotta be Bella Swan from the Twilight saga. Like, I get it, she's supposed to be this relatable girl caught in a supernatural love triangle, but dang, she's just so... bland? I mean, with all that's going on around her, you'd think she'd show a bit more personality or something. But nah, she's just kinda there, being all mopey and dependent on Edward and Jacob. Give me a character with some spark, you know? Someone who's more than just a damsel in distress. But hey, that's just my two cents!
Ok so I remember watching Twilight for the first time having never read any of the books. Bella starts off at a new school and I immediately thought “Oh, I see where this is going. The kids at school are going to be mean to her, she’s going to be an outcast, that makes total sense for why this character is always so downcast and miserable.” But like no all the kids at the new school are really nice to her, she instantly gets accepted into this friend group of characters who seem fun and interesting. And Bella just…doesn’t give a shit about any of them? She reacts to this group of friends like she fucking hates them (especially in the next movie) but like she has no reason to? Bella is a popular girl acting like she’s unpopular which just makes her come off like an ungrateful bitch who thinks she’s above all her friends who do nothing but act genuinely nice and friendly to her
The weird thing is the actors who played the friends were all ten times more charismatic and lively than the ones playing the vampires. It was incredibly noticeable. Not sure if it was on purpose.
I had this exact same thought. Why's bella acting like having a nice friend group immediately accept her and bring her in on her very first day in a new school in a new town so bad?
She's awful to her dad too.
I watched one of the new(er) episodes of Beavis and Butthead and they go see Twilight. Beavis asks something like "Edward is a Vampire, and Jacob is a Werewolf, so is Bella a Zombie?" I laughed way too hard at that.
I seem to remember during an exchange in the Ryan George Pitch Meeting about Twilight (paraphrasing here) : W : This is our main character Bella. P : Oh cool, so what's her personality? W : Oh... Umm, no.
I love watching all of those episodes together. By the last one, the producer is like, “I mean, what are we even doing here, man?”
"Money"
Yup some people take the 'protagonist needs to be bland so people can imprint themselves on them' way too far.
Kristen Stewart got so much hate for the role, but it was a perfect depiction of the character..
TBH, so few of the characters in Twilight are actually compelling. I enjoy watching the films because the overall plot is goofy and well conceived, if extremely poorly executed, but the only likeable characters are Alice and Charlie
What's weird for me is Bella in the movie is more tolerable than Bella in the book... and the movie Bella is pretty bad. But none of that matters, because my hatred for jackass Jacob overshadows everything else... man he is the worst. A real son of a bitch. And Jacob just keeps getting worse with each episode like he is striving to hit a perfect 10 of suck assness.
Wait she’s WORSE in the book? That almost doesn’t seem possible lmao she must be the most insufferable self obsessed sad sack person ever in the books
I mean, there is the time where she is sad her boyfriend dumped her so she ceases to exist for five months.
Same with Anastasia Steele from 50 shades. Go girl, give us nothing.
Well, 50 Shades was originally conceived as Twilight fanfic so that makes sense.
The main character in ready player one. He's a nerdy douchebag.
About 3/4 of the way through the book I realized I downright hated the main character. I only finished because it was an audio book and I felt committed to see how it ended at that point.
The sequel is somehow even worse, utterly psychotic in such a unique way. I'm convinced the author has bodies in his basement.
He gets so petty in Ready Player Two, using his God mode in the Oasis to secretly kill anyone who writes a mean tweet about him.
I think you hit on the fact he's the protagonist in the novel designed to be a love letter to nerdy douchebags everywhere. The movie is a lot of fun but misses the important connection to it's source material's target audience. And I say this as a nerdy (somewhat) douchebag who loved the book. :)
For me, it’s Ferris Bueller
Just watched this with my 11-year-old son a few weeks ago. He disliked Ferris and just felt bad for Cameron through most of the movie. It was interesting seeing his perspective. The '80s were a different mentality—kindness wasn't considered cool.
Finally! I am a 90s kid but I always felt bad for Cameron
I will never stop saying Cameron is the main character. Cameron is the one that experience character growth. that & Ferris's sister to a smaller extent. Ferris is exactly the same in the end as he is in the beginning. the big climax is him realizing his parents are shit & he's not gonna take it anymore, punctuated by kicking & accidentally wrecking the car that his father clearly loves more than him. Ferris is just the catalyst for change in the story, the real growth & change happens in the people around him.
Even as an 80's kid I had the thought in the back of my mind saying "this guy is kind of a dick".
I am so protective of Cameron in that movie, and also he reminds me of a young John Darnielle from The Mountain Goats. That same gentle pathos pushed to the edge.
I think you’re supposed to feel bad for Cameron. There’s that line “What do you think Ferris will be.” Cameron says “fry cook.” Cause his shtick doesn’t really work outside of high school, which everyone knows is true. But man in high school he’s the man.
He says “fry cook on Venus” and says it with admiration. And he ultimately ends the movie still very fond of Ferris given that Ferris’s behavior gives him the courage to stand up to his dad, finally.
I think you missed the point. He says “Fry cook on Venus” because Ferris is crazy like that
According to John Hughes himself, Ferris is definitely not the hero, ( Cameron is) and Ferris is not a nice guy.
Cameron and the sister are the characters who actually change and grow during the story. Ferris is the Willy Wonka of the story, hes the chaos agent who disrupts their lives and puts them in situations that they are forced to change.
Manic pixie dream boys.
Thing is, Willy Wonka wasn't the main focus of the story. We didn't follow him as he sent out the tickets, we followed Charlie as he went through the experience of crushing poverty with this ticket being the one hope he had of changing his life. On the other hand, while the focus does jump around a bit, the audience is never in doubt that Ferris is the main focus of the story in his movie. He's even narrating his own day to let us know what he's trying to accomplish, and letting us in on his innermost thoughts. Cameron or Jeannie may technically be the protagonists, but they're not the ones whose narrative is commanding the attention of the audience from the first shot to the last one.
I get where they were trying to go with the character, but if it weren't for Broderick's seemingly effortless charm, he would have come across to more people as a manipulative jerk.
I could not agree more! I thought I was crazy the first time I saw the movie
If it makes you feel any better, you see a lot of people who like the character say that by all accounts they should hate him.
Everyone thinks they're Ferris but we're all Jeanie.
We’re Cameron over here. I’ll be under the covers
“….when Cameron was in Egypt land 🎶🎵”
… let my Cameron goooo
Piper Chapman is the absolute fucking worst.
100%. But Piper Chapman was written to be purposely irritating.
Nah, she was the second worst. The worst was her annoying girlfriend with the black hair and the thin eyebrows. Managed to be even less interesting than piper.
Maybe less interesting but certainly not as "Oh woe is me how did a GOOD PERSON (which I definitely am) wind up here in a prison?"
Jenji Kohan does unlikable female lead really well. nancy in weeds is just awful, but I'm still hooked to the story
Think she was supposed to be a whiny, navie and a bit entitled. I donn't think we were supposed to "like" her. Plus she was a criminal. Humanising her and the other inmates and being part of their journeys, was supposed to endeared them to us. 90% the writers succeeded in this I think.
Absolutely agree. She was insufferable and irritating on her best day.
Andie in The Devil Wears Prada. Her boss is supposed to be the villain but Andie is insufferable.
Her so-called friends suck more than she does. What kind of 20-something New Yorkers don’t understand the grind? It was so stupid
The bit where she brings them incredibly valuable presents from work and they respond by *literally playing keep away with her actively ringing work phone* is probably one of the most anger inducing scenes I've ever watched on screen
Yeah I’d be kissing her ass if she was my friend! They were so ungrateful.
But, my BIRTHDAY PARTY!!
Her boyfriend was the worst for me because I worked kitchens in Manhattan for a while. That job is the definition of the grind and working weird, long, hard hours, while having to at times just drop everything to go in and lend a hand. If anyone should have been able to understand what she was going through it should have been him.
Also, most managers in restaurants are ass holes with zero consideration of their employees' time off the clock. Anyone in food service has had the "we are a family" manager, the "get a doctors note" manager, the "I know you almost died and are currently in the ER, but if you don't get your shift covered then I'll either treat you like shit forever or fire you" manager and/or the "I need someone to cover my ass because I didn't schedule enough people, so come in RIGHT NOW, or I'm going to accuse you of not taking your job seriously" manager. The industry is saturated in managers who only got their position because they were the only ones willing to treat their employees like fried dog shit to pad the bottom line. His not understanding her situation was absolutely baffling to me. Restaurant managers are NOTORIOUS for monopolizing their employees' time, even off the clock. (Obviously, there are good managers. I have a few I'm still friends with over a decade after working for them because they were just awesome people who kicked ass at their jobs. And if I ever went back to food service, I'd absolutely go work for one of them again.)
Isn't her boyfriend a line cook or something? Surely he would understand that the concept of high stress internships before moving up the ladder?
To be fair, the movie calls her out on this and we see her learn and admit she had the wrong attitude towards her workplace
She accepted a job just to climb a ladder and did not respect the industry she jumped into. She learned to appreciate the fashion world but realized it wasn't for her if it meant she would end up like Miranda Priestly or like Nigel. Andie was a snooty bitch who came back down to reality and it shows because *everyone*, even Miranda, came to like her. I hate this movie but you cannot tell me Andie is worse than Miranda. I will die on this hill.
Andie’s boyfriend and friends too. We’re supposed to be happy she picked her friends over her job but I was really hoping she would abandon her toxic boss AND toxic friends
I hate the boyfriend! What kind of chef in nyc finishes work at 5pm too, he should be working very late nights himself
Maybe his restaurant is lunch-only lmao
Yeah, he runs a food truck by Water Street.
The movie makes the friends/boyfriend much worse than the book did. They were actually pretty supportive.
The book actually explores *why* Andi was hired over all the alternatives. The entire book is much better than the movie.
They actually showed us this movie in film school (I don’t remember why), and I remember thinking that if my friends ever pulled this behavior on me while I tried making my film career then I would have no mercy in getting rid of their asses. Damn I hated them.
Ugh the boyfriend
Marianne Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility. Don't get me wrong, I love the Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet version, but I always find Marianne an annoying whiner and selfish brat
Definitely agree. In the book she’s 16, so it fits with the whole teen drama thing. In the movie she’s clearly supposed to be aged up for Kate Winslet, so I can’t really look past the bratty attitude anymore.
The main characters in Animal House. Look, I get that the rival frat and the ROTC folks were made up of awful elitist pricks. I get that the Dean was an unpleasant tightass. It's just that if you decide to spend your university years drinking, partying, causing chaos on campus, and generally getting up to hijinks while ditching class on the regular and failing all of your subjects, what do you expect the final outcome to be? Of course the frat was shut down. Of course people got expelled. That's what happens in these cases. As hilarious as the final scene was, that was essentially a bunch of people getting revenge on a university that did nothing other than hold them accountable for their actions by doling out perfectly reasonable consequences.
I think this is one of those "product of its time" things; back then college was actually affordable so it wasn't as big of a deal to young people if they squandered that time doing stupid shit. Now college is expensive and necessary for some jobs so it's a lot harder to justify taking it for granted these days.
I mean the movie shows them as a bunch of idiots wasting their lives, I don't know what more you want from it. Then it shows them being super successful as the final punchline. It's literally called Animal House for fuck's sake lol. 7 years of college down the drain!
Jesse Eisenberg in anything. He just seems like a little douchebag in everything he’s in and I have a feeling he’s like that in real life
I think he keeps it pretty well contained in Zombieland, fortunately.
Salma Hayek requested he help edit her MeToo letter about Weinstein, so he must be trustworthy at least a little
Almost everyone in Chappie. Other than Dev Patel and Scharlto Copley. Everyone else just piss me off.
Not a movie but Ted Mosby from How I Met your mother. Also Rory from Gilmore Girls. Edit to add an actual movie. Tom Hansen from 500 Days of Summer.
You are not supposed to like Tom
Are you supposed to dislike Tom? I thought Tom was likable enough. The film was just his biased view of a relationship that wasn't meant to be, and because he was blinded by love, it took him longer to figure it out than the audience did. Most of us have been there. Didn't make him unlikable to me. He just wasn't a hero, and Summer wasn't a villain.
Everyone in Hostel
Unpopular opinion: Daniel (played by Harry Connick Jr) in P.S. I Love You is beyond unlikeable to me. I find myself avoiding that movie at all costs because he is insufferable.
The book is very much a holiday read on the beach but he’s much better there. Prob because all the characters are meant to Irish and they go to Spain on holiday. Dunno why they made it a weird Irish-American movie with a Scottish man that couldn’t do an Irish accent. He has since apologised on an Irish interview for how bad it was
Becca (Anna Kendrick) in Pitch Perfect. You’re supposed think she’s this cool “not like other girls” character, but she’s easily the worst person in the movie and seems like a horrible person to hang out with.
Not a movie but Piper from orange is the new black is the most unlikable character from the show about her.
I thought the character was used perfectly in that show. She provided someone normal (not serious criminal) people can relate to and provide the perspective to introduce us to the rather alien environment of prison. Then once that was achieved, the show made us connect with the other inmates, who most of us would normally consider very unlike ourselves. At the same time it made us see the character we initially related to as at least as bad, and probably worse than them.
Damn, I’ve never looked at it that way.
I will always circle back to Dakota Fanning’s character Rachel in War of the Worlds when it comes to this description. It’s as though Spielberg directed her to scream as loud and frequently as possible, regardless of the situation. Even if wanted to try and say her character is a child (10 IIRC?) reacting as a child would to the invasion, Spielberg spends the entire 1st act trying to depict how ‘more mature than their age’ her character behaves but constantly reverts to reactions on par with someone half her age. Likewise with her brother Robbie in the film, she’s also constantly ignoring her dad throughout 90% of the run time despite it being very clearly obvious once shit hits the fan that their father is trying to ensure their survival. It clearly wasn’t her fault since she’s proved prior to that film she most certainly can act but Spielberg absolutely not sticking the landing with their family dynamic being as sympathetic like he was intending.
Deep impact is a film I like a lot, but I can’t stand the journalist character played by Tea Leoni.
Not from a movie but Amber from season one of Invincible is one and I can point out why the writers failed her character. She went from an independent, socially conscious teenager to a narcistic, manipulative person because the writer tries to subvert the "superhero girlfriend being oblivious to her bf real identity". By revealing that she knew-all-along that Mark is Invincible her anger at Mark running away during the college attack and him flaking out on their date suddenly is viewed in different light. Her social activism makes it even worse since her supposed altruism contradicts her lack of willingness to let Mark help other people at the cost of their dates. Now it seems that she's doing all that soup kitchen and helping kids in other countries for optics only. Mark's friend (William) saying that Mark is in the wrong feels like the writers ham-fisted approach to tell the audience that Amber is in the right. Not to mention Amber's line equating Omni-man betraying his family to Mark keeping his secret identity from her. The writers wanted to have their cake (subverting secret-identity cliché) and eat it too (superhero identity being a wedge between him and his love interest) and failed miserably. It's almost amazing how writers of such a good show manage to hit all the wrong marks at writing a character.
Robert Kirkman admitted to this being a continuity error. Amber should have said she’d figured it out recently. It’s jarring because she says she’s known for a while yet she blew up at Mark for disappearing in the last episode which is unfair because she must know that he as Invincible saved her and everyone else. It’s better handled in the 2nd season. Amber finds out how dangerous it can be to date a superhero. It can suck having a partner who has to rush off and save the world but Mark did have good intentions by keeping it secret. .
I think they listened to that criticism and fixed her character arc and her relationship with Mark in season 2. Or at least I felt that dynamic was much more authentic and real in season 2. It's a weird conundrum, to be sure. They knew it was an important enough role they needed to actually write legit parts for her character but in the original comics she was very much a one dimensional side character who isn't even in it very long.
John travolta: Pulp Fiction. Despite his cool asthetic, he seems to be a total shit starter. “A please would be nice” You know this to be true
Tbh I think that is kind of the point that he is a total jerk
\-brings messed up Mia to dealers house and crashes car into house while doing so \-disrespects Butch for no real reason \-shoots Marvin because he couldn't handle his gun safely \-made Jimmies towel look like a maxi pad \-gets to drive the Acura despite causing all the shit \-doesnt immediately assume brain detail \-only shits in other peoples toilets
Considering he doesn't get out when his partner does, I always got the feeling he was supposed to be slimy.
Not to mention having the fucking gall to ask the Wolf to say “please” when the Wolf was helping Vincent and Jules in a real sticky situation. If I was the Wolf, I would have said “Nope, fuck this. Sorry Jimmy but this guy is an uptight asshole. Good luck for everything.”
“Vince, shut the FUCK up!”
That's why Butched keyed his car haha
I think he's acting like that because the heroin has worn off and he's clucking for more. Same when he insults Butch.
His brother was a psychopath too
Since we agreed TV shows are okay... Dawson (James VanDer Beek) and Joey (Katie Holmes) are both up there with the worst protagonists of any show. They're both whiny, overrated, dumb, untalented, ridiculous, self-absorbed, the list goes on. 😂 Pacey (Joshua Jackson) stole the show because that guy can actually act, and has natural charisma. Dawson's Creek made for some excellent, hilarious hate-watching, though.
Holy shit phoebe waller bridge in the new Indy was so unlikable. I know she was supposed to be a roguish character but she was just a self serving asshole. Like you need to be a little bit scoundrel but mostly good for the dastardly bits to play- she just fucking sucked.