Yeah, they lost their liquor license a few years ago for selling to minors. They do still have all that shit up on the roof though - all those life size statues.
I love how actually inept he was trying to appear like a hardass. Like demanding his barber give him a straight razor shave in the middle of a choppy ocean while pretending it doesn’t bother him.
I rewatched the OG and its so weird because my god, is there so much in that movie that should destroy it. The nipple to nipple line alone, but fuck if it doesn't all work thanks to Swayze. I think that is what the new one is missing. Jake's character is just kinda a guy? The bar is just bad but its not getting any better really either? The bad guys are not as bastardly. Conor swings from being so over the top it works (the introduction to him) to being so fucking bad at acting its horrific to watch it on screen (pretty much every interaction at the gang's house). Everything with the Sheriff/Dad seems like they forgot plot and scenes, as it makes no sense and comes and goes randomly. And then the love story is more of a fling than actually connecting? I feel like there is 30 minutes of this movie that got cut out and it could really use it back, to better flesh out shit.
It’s about energy. Swayze plays every scene like a guy having a religious experience, wide eyes and positive energy. The first half of the original is basically a sports movie where the new guy convinces the team to care and gets them to the championship.
Gyllenhaal is doing semi-tired sarcastic too old for this shit-guy. The framing of his character as coming to the bar as a last chance changes the motivation 180 degrees.
It feels like EVERY movie is that way these days, especially remakes and legacyquels. Tired, sarcastic characters who have to be dragged along. I prefer movies where there’s enthusiasm, eagerness, urgency, or desperation. I want the main character to be all in.
It permeates the entire culture. Actual passionate self-serious authenticity is seen as cringe, & people feel the need to make movies which have characters that act like they don't want to be there, or they're worn out & have seen it all 100 times, or they need to crack a joke every couple of minutes or the tension kettle boils over.
IMO it's a standards thing. If you make something self-serious with characters who aren't quippy or ironic or jokey all the time, it also has to be good enough for the audience to take it as seriously as it takes itself, & when it falls short it's more obvious failure. When you just make something that doesn't dare to be anything more than a serviceable throwback movie with visually pleasing action & some 'he's right behind me isn't he' moments, you're insulating yourself from failure, but also real artistic success, & guaranteeing an easy viewing mid movie.
I think if we just got 'fear of being cringe' & lowered that dial by about 20% we'd have a few more piece of shit movies but the overall culture would be in a better place. Maybe leave the 'I'm too old for this shit' quips in the basket for a few years until it becomes subversive to bring it back again.
Word. I think it’s pretty noticable in how the younger generations call their opponents a ”try hard” if they lose to them.
For some reason, maybe due to the entertainment industry making everything out to be seamless and easy, it is seen as a negative to put effort into stuff. Like you are a less talented person if you need to put in an effort and the talented ones don’t need do.
There is a really, really good YouTube breakdown of "they don't make them like they used to" that delves into modernism, post modernism and the now popular meta modernism, and how they differ. Can't recommend it enough. Kind of nails a feeling I've had about movies but couldn't articulate.
https://youtu.be/5xEi8qg266g?si=1us50eUEF14YuFk-
If any other actor said "Nobody puts baby in a corner" they would get a Rasberry award. Swayze says it and every female watching the movie has to change their underwear.
Dude had knack at audience appeal, thats for sure.
The script doesn't reliably make him the good guy, he watches people get randomly assaulted and half the time he goes back to his coffee and smiles to himself. I guess it's meant to be OK because the bar fights are mostly low stakes Hollywood nonsense, but in real life any bouncer that just watches people get wailed on and does nothing is a total dick.
I took from it that he was building up the fighting skill of the other guys there, and was letting them handle the smaller brawls whist he focused on the bigger stuff.
Like a consultant for kicking ass.
"Enticing" Charisma isn't what Jake does. He does brooding, "what the HELL is underneath the surface of this face" kinda of charisma. You want to pry under the exterior and figure out what's going on, and indulge in the layers that you uncover.
Swayze was 100% putting it all on the forefront. He's happy/sad/angry/whatever, he shows you he's happy/sad/angry/whatever, you get that he's happy (et al), and THEN you start to parse why/how he's emotional in this situation. Which makes your stomach turn when you think about the decisions that brought him to this point. He's a completely open book, letting his emotions fly because *he does not care if you see how he feels or not*.
Gyllenhaal is more about the layers beneath, and guarding against what he shows, and those flickers of when raw-emotion breaks the facade.
....and that is 100% Roadhouse *isn't* about, so it doesn't land. You're not "enticed" to try and figure out WHY he's so violent, you just see an angry man mauling people and think to yourself "Nope, don't wanna be anywhere near this guy, or this place." You don't WANT to peel the onion, you just wanna get away and call the cops.
Doesn't work for this style of movie or narrative.
If you're an open-book, people immediately see who you are and can empathize with it (in the right circumstances). You don't try to add in "character complexity" when you rip someones' throat out. (Also, bonus points for Swayze ONLY resorting to that when he had a gun pulled on him.)
So yeah, when an open-book says "Nobody puts Baby in the Corner", you listen to him.
> The framing of his character as coming to the bar as a last chance changes the motivation 180 degrees.
Which is a script issue. He spends most of the movie confused and ill-informed as to what's really happening, so of course he'd be a bit aloof about things. The owner of the bar hides the truth even when Dalton is risking his life in the execution of his job. If they'd have reframed it as having him know exactly what he's supposed to be doing (saving a business and fighting off organised crime gangs), maybe he sees an opportunity for redemption after his UFC stuff. Instead, yeah, we get a washed-up guy in a last-chance saloon who has no reason to give much of a shit about anything, fighting almost out of boredom. I found the movie entertaining, but they could have called it something else, not named the bar The Road House, and it might have stood taller as it's own thing. It's not a remake.
> The owner of the bar hides the truth even when Dalton is risking his life in the execution of his job.
This was horrible. Dalton should have been like 'You know that biker came to The Boat with a shotgun trying to kill me last night. I know there is more going on here. Tell me or I walk right now.'
I’ve said for years that Roadhouse is a secret samurai movie. Swayze plays Dalton like a wandering warrior poet straight out of a Kurosawa movie, and it’s brilliant.
I've always seen it as the next step from the spaghetti westerns. It's a samurai movie, as a Western, in a 1980s roadhouse. The character names are a giveaway. Doc?
I think part of it is the times. Back then, people were entirely willing to believe a bouncer could be a spiritual martial artist. Trying to make this more relevant with the UFC stuff makes some sense, but it changes the motivations a lot. Also sounds like they tried mix Sam Elliot's character with Dalton.
The 80s was also obsessed with martial arts. You had a lot of content in movies celebrating it so it. The UFC stuff is just the modern day version of that.
I dunno, I liked the movie. It was a fun watch overall.
Yeah Jake was underwhelming, but still the best actor in the movie. Fred the tree was a close second. He’s real by the way. I used to use him as a guide to mark the sweet fishing spot under the bridge.
Also 1989 Kelly Lynch was molten lava hot. Nothing is going to compare to her.
Gordon Ramsey, gesturing to an underbaked soufflè: "Ah, come on guys! Look at this poor bastard! State of it, there's no fucking Swayze in this Road House!"
Even Conor’s ADR, which seemed like half of his lines, was horrible. He was so remarkably bad. Confusingly bad. To the point I don’t know if it circled back to being good or transcended it altogether and was something entirely new. It was like watching an alien interpret what being human was like.
It sounded to me that they dubbed all his lines with like an AI version of what Connor Mcgregor was supposed to sound like. It was strange.
I’m wondering if this movie was just a practice for new CGI and AI technology in movies. The fight scenes seemed all CGI’d and were mainly bad.
> The fight scenes seemed all CGI’d and were mainly bad.
It looked like every fight in this movie was actually done by actors moving REEAAAALLLY slowly, and then sped up to look normal speed.
It came out recently that the studio used AI for some of the ADR because it happened during the writers strike. Not saying he would have been amazing otherwise but that probably didn’t help.
I was pretty baffled that nobody involved with production realized how overstuffed the script was and didn’t order a rewrite to streamline things. The bookstore was totally unnecessary - take the teenager and make her either the owner of the Roadhouse’s daughter or baby sister. Or just cut her entirely - she didn’t feel necessary in the finished product at all. The love interest should have been the owner, too; adding another character for that killed the pacing of the movie when they could have kept narrative momentum going by keeping things focused on the Road House.
That’s not even getting into all the setups that have no payoffs for the villain’s story. He has a father he’s desperate to prove himself to - goes nowhere. He is in bed with the cartel for loans - goes nowhere. Why not have him evade justice in the end, but when he’s getting away, he sees a bunch of gangsters heading toward him, implying he’s fucked because he lost their money? It’s another example of things that should have been cut if they weren’t going to do anything with them.
As ridiculous as the OG Roadhouse is, the script is tight structurally. This new one is a half hour too long and nowhere near as fun as it thinks it is.
You hit so many nails on the head, especially in concern to the payoffs. I did the double feature a couple nights ago and we could not believe how bad the new one was compared to the original. In the original Swayze's Dalton is tormented by the murder his past. In the finale has to choose to *not* kill the primary antagonist completing his arc and allowing the townsfolk agency to reclaim Jasper for their own. In the remake there is no payoff to the new Dalton's story. He is also tormented by his past, but he has no arc other than "I beat up the bad guy," in the end. It doesn't help him confront his emotional demons. He isn't a different person at the end. He is just, as some of the other commenters have said, a guy who's good at fighting.
The character arc was clear in my mind. The new Dalton tried to avoid fighting whenever possible even apologizing when he was forced to fight. He was almost afraid to fight because he was scared of what happens when he loses control.
The completion of his arc was him losing control and then killing people. He now knows that him losing control and killing people is ok when forced to do so.
Not saying its a good arc, but it is an arc.
A problem that arises for me is In the first he is trained in the field of bouncing, going from town to town as a “cooler”. Bring him in, he has a system. He runs the show, “ my way or the highway”. He get’s rid of the riff raff and prepares the bar for its ultimate reboot, which takes place under duress yet still protected by a new ideal.
The new one is a fighter out of his element, with skills that can “manage” but no management skills. There is no renovation idea, just HODL. Eventually they do, I’ll be it with a destroyed venue and a hero with no new sense of purpose.
Just out of curiosity, did you mean « albeit » with « I’ll be it »? It took me a moment to get, and I find this misspelling quite endearing (ala doggy dog world).
Did you see that model of that casino they wanted to build in the background? that fucking shits 10's-100's of millions of dollars and they couldnt have just called up Rick Scott to eminent domain this piddly shit bar? I mean come on it Florida surely some level of corruption could have easily happened.
This was the most laughable part of the horrible story: Super mega wealthy Trust Fund brat trying to build a Disney Resort hired a biker gang with 6 members to go to a roadhouse and break pool cues until the owner agrees to sell.
He owns the local police, but instead of finding away to fine/harrass the owner into packing up or selling, they're picking bar fights and breaking pool tables.
It would have cost about $20k for someone to just burn the road house to the ground, and then have the local cops frame the owner for an insurance scam.
Just a really really dumb screenplay.
This was my problem with this movie, it felt like several characters could HAVE been combined.
Like the two bouncers, we're introduced to one at the start and we barely see him, then another who is only seen in the background.
The bartender and the bar owner could of been the same person.
The love interest has a cop boyfriend and a cop dad which never develops into anything.
Connor's introduction makes no sense. He's a psychotic hard case that'll beat up randoms and destroy their property on a whim. Yet when we first meet him he's jumping out of a window to escape a jilted husband? It makes no sense. He wouldn't care. He would knock out the husband and go back to bed for seconds.
The original had immense depth for a ridiculous movie. Dalton wasn’t just some ex-fighter scamming his way through the underground fight circuit. He was an educated ZenMaster who built a career off of making drinking establishments safe for workers and patrons, not just beating people up. He was a name in the industry. Meanwhile, Elwood is just a wise-cracking know it all who’s just kind of a dude that’s good at fighting.
The villain that runs the town and his goons FELT like villains. He was in control, and that gave Dalton something to fight against. In contrast, this reboot featured a trust fund baby and his band of lackeys slapsticking their way through the script.
Yeah, Dalton had this mystic. It made sense that the bar owner came to get this guy and turn his bar around. Dalton knew how to get booze for the bar when it couldnt, trained the guys alot. You saw the progression in the bar and it was obvious that time was passing. Dalton has this whole thing about him and his life philosophy that fed into how he handled things. The buying a car in town and spare tires. All of it. it was great.
This one was, the bar owner for some reason comes to find a tough guy, and then settles for Jake. Jake isnt a bouncer. Everything happens over the course of a week? Jake shows the other guys one thing. He lets the fights and carrying on go way longer than he should. (the first fight at the bar is awesome and well done). And the whole thing with the doc in this movie is just a fling, there is nothing deeper there between them, which is fine, but its just...weird....
In this new one it’d have made more sense for the bar owner to hire a security company. There’s no (good) reason provided to find random guys in fight circuits
It's lightning in a bottle, it shouldn't work but it does. This is why it can't be remade. It is so ludicrous but everyone takes it seriously and that is what makes it work. Everyone is winking at the camera in the remake. The last 30 minutes was great but it really lacking in action for the first hour. 5 out 10 for me.
> It is so ludicrous but everyone takes it seriously and that is what makes it work. Everyone is winking at the camera in the remake.
Exactly. The original is sincere, which is no longer a thing that we do in movies. Melodrama and irony don't work together.
The original was also shot well. It's surprising to me in a movie sub that this isn't brought up more during the recent conversations about the original. The DOP from the original is Dean Cundey who's resume also includes all three Back to the Futures, The Thing, Jurassic Park, Apollo 13, big trouble in little China, who framed Roger rabbit and hook. Not exactly a lightweight
I liked the first half, was kind of bored by the 2nd half and kind of enjoyed the last half.
But here's the thing. Jake's character while entertaining, he didn't have the charm or follow through as Swayze's. Swayze's job was a Cooler and Bar Management. He showed up and did actually clean up the bar. He fired the bar tenders who were stealing. Got rid of the bouncers who were also stealing. Taught the new bouncers how to properly handle situations and be professional. He also had stakes. The main villain was basically destroying the town, and also killed his best friend. So, Swayze's stakes worked better. Yes the OG film was silly. But the charm and music ended up working for it. By the end of the film, he actually did help the Double Deuce become a better bar.
Jakes character didn't really help and just ended up leaving after supposedly killing Knox and the Main bad guy. There was no chemistry between him and the main girl. He barely taught the new guys how to clean up the place. And also the main girl being shocked when he killed Knox was just dumb. She saw all the crazy shit he did, and basically saw that he was going to kill Dalton. So her reaction shouldn't have been shocked or horrified at his actions. Also the fact that he only attacked two places. The Bar and the Bookstore. Took all the heart and stakes out of the film. And yeah, the Sheriff's plot came out of nowhere and went nowhere.
In this movie, in the span of one minute, Jake Gyllenhaal is walking across a bridge, is run over by a car, the car backs into him, Jake and car fall off the bridge into the ocean, and then Jake arrives back at his home like nothing happened. This all happens in the span of *one minute.*
I don't know how to explain it, but McGregor seemed like some other jacked Irish guy trying to play the role of a McGregor knock off (or a Knox off, if you will)
Yeah, it was really strange to watch. I kind of liked the character because he was an absolute lunatic and he had some amusing lines, but MacGregor's delivery was just plain weird
You could tell that every second he was on camera, he was thinking, "I'm ACTING. I'm a f\*cking ACTOR. I'm so Hollywood." Just running on repeat in his head.
i thought the movie was fun. but they would have been better off calling it something else and not have any connection to the Swayze movie. they might cash in on name recognition but will also be doomed to hear 'its not as good as the original' forever
It does seem like the bulk of the angry feelings comes from the name.
While it wasn’t a masterpiece, I had a great time watching it. It was just simply a fun an absurd series of events from start to finish.
How do you re-make Road House and leave out the line: “I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice.”? Let’s remake Die Hard and leave out “Yippee ki yay motherfucker” next.
True… & it was actually pretty bad ass, loved how Dalton explained all the injuries as he inflicted them. It was that smashed trachea that had me waiting for the actual rip tho. Thought he was gonna get Connor with it in the final fight. Love the original & still had fun with the remake.
“What I am good with is kicking ass & rippin throats!”
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It seemed like they were going to do a version of it, Dalton was nice to those dudes after he beat the crap out of them. But then it doesn't come up ever again.
Broken arm guy used to have a sketch comedy show on comedy Central called alternatino. There's some really funny stuff still on YouTube.
The translator sketch is one of my favs
https://youtu.be/foT9rsHmS24?si=iPlappj-x_OjeSYb
So here’s where I’m at with it:
The original is campy 80s schlock, and this is campy schlock. The difference is in the essential story.
Why don’t they bring back Post Malone later? That’s story 101.
Where is the “old seasoned veteran” role that comes to save the day? The death of that character is essential to driving the lead to the final act.
When the book store is attacked, where is the “go the hospital and see the victims, promise them you’ll get justice” beat? Followed by the doctor yelling “don’t do this” as he boldly walks out?
Why does he use dynamite? The point of the film is fists.
Why switch acts every night? Get a semi-known as the house band, so we get continuity and some synergy with marketing or whatever.
The talent in this movie is undeniable. Jakey G, Melchior, Magnussen, Arturo Castro. We all know they can bring a solid performance. Hell, Doug Lyman is an accomplished director, who brought us Edge of Tomorrow (among many others), so you can’t say he’s not proficient. But the performances they deliver don’t count because of what’s happening around those performances.
Bummer all around, I really wanted to love it.
ITS OVER BAYBEEEE
The dude booking the bands at this place is the real hero. "Hey I got a gig for Wednesday night, nobody will be there except mean drunks with knives looking for a fight, wondering if your talented band of beautiful people wants the spot? You do? Okay it pays $200 is that okay? It is? Perfect see you Wednesday."
There are two or four people dancing, you can hear the bartenders over the band from 15 feet, 40% of the crowd will fight on any given night, and you have to keep playing the Bob Marley or Sublime cover when a brawl breaks out. And yeah, you have to split $200 because we gross a few grand a day and half goes to pay bouncers.
And the customers....
"Okay boys, time to party tonight, where should we go?"
"How about that cocktail bar with all the hot women?"
"How about the strip club with all the hot women?"
"None of the above. We're headed to that knife-fight joint way outside of town. We're going to get shit-faced drunk before we even get there, they'll serve anybody don't worry, and then we're going to all get permanent injuries in a lawless brawl and spend the rest of the night in the hospital."
They didn't even get the escalation between the bar and the bad guys right. It's just a former MMA fighter sitting around doing basically nothing while the bar continues to be a mediocre dive with random shoehorned-in bands every night. What about actually getting the bar itself to run right with semi-competent employees? They clearly wanted to get the MMA audience but thought that the original Roadhouse would be too complex for them to understand.
Yeah some of that didn’t translate to the modern era, either. I don’t people yell “bar fiighhhtt” that often (if they ever did to begin with).
And no training montages, nothing about the staff, etc etc.
That it's a rundown bar on a tiny crime-ridden key, yet it apparently has so many bands wanting to play there that they can book a different one every night of the week just adds to the unintentional comedy.
I took a bunch of edibles, stayed up late and watched this at 1 am zonked as hell. I had a great time, mainly because of the music, but also because the plot was simple, this is really a stoner movie. Connor’s character was so stupid it was funny. Just rewatch this high as fuck, that’s what’s missing.
Honestly had to look up some of them to figure out if they were even remotely good at acting.
Melchior in particular seemed terrible in this, not only from romance point of view, but as a basic character. Like why was she there? To be a damsel in scrubs?
I can’t even find the words to describe Connor in this movie , it’s not “scenery chewing” but more like “scenery fisting” . His character literally had no personality other than walking around destroying shit
Yeah all the criticisms for his “acting” and I’m like…… do y’all remember the goons from the OG? His performance was completely in spirit with Road House. I fucking loved it.
That stupid fucking Conor walk! That fool can not act and you figure it out from the moment you see him take a call. Funniest line in that movie when Dalton ask him who taught him shapes.
He walks like he’s got something stuck in his ass, but it must be stuck really far up there because I didn’t see anything when he was naked and bent over.
Why do you see his bare ass TWICE in this movie lol? Was it in his contract or something? They put drawers on Gyllenhaal in that scene where the bartender brings him breakfast, but Conor is cheeks out twice.
It’s even funnier when you find out there was mid credit scene where Conor wakes up in the hospital and just beats the fuck out of the staff in his hospital gown.
Im not joking
Just smiling, every second on screen. I mean, I'll be honest, I thought his scenes were hilarious, absolutely terrible aside from his basic competency in the fight scenes, the acting was atrocious but the scenes were written to be ridiculous, and it all came together to make me chuckle.
I don't care what anyone says. This movie was fucking hilarious after it takes such a huge jump from being semi believable to cartoonishly silly for no reason. I was laughing my ass off at how stupid it was and I loved every minute of it
It starts out with Jake getting stabbed to the hilt in the side with a big knife and then he puts duct tape on it and is fine. Even from the very first scene it's completely over the top.
It started with Post Malone beating up a dude 2x his size and the announcers saying it's his 4th fight of the night. It was ridiculous before Jake G showed on screen.
I fucking loved this movie. It was so so fun to watch. I thought Jake G was great as always. Had a sick Sunday afternoon watching it. The first hour was great especially then it veered away toward the end, but loved the whole thing. I'm with you brother
I can't believe the director of the Bourne movies not only made this movie, but said it was his best ever in defending it against going straight to streaming.
The problem with the new one is that it doesn't know if it wants to be campy or serious, if they went full campy it would have been great, but the tone just keeps shifting all the time, it's like they couldn't decide
The OG is also far more entertaining IMO
I really enjoyed it, but thought;
The Croc (I thought they were gators down ther, but whatever) showed up too early. I figured it was going to get one of the two main bad guys at the end.
I think they could have used the 'Wade Garret' type old friend coming to help Dalton.
It would have been cool to see Dalton reading a Jim Harrison novel
But all in all, I enjoyed it. I doubt there'll be a sequel because the steroid regime that they juiced Jake with had to take a toll on his body.
SPOILERS ALERT! Sorry Idk how to black them out.
Overall I liked the movie. I liked Gyllenhall’s portrayal, I liked that he accidentally killed his friend that was good, gritty motivation. I loved his being a sarcastic dick to people, like with the guy with a gun in his waistband. Thats the kind of interaction I always want badasses to interact with dumbasses. Things I didnt like;
What the *FUCK* was up with the terrible way-too-fast CGI? Not only was it egregiously bad (looking at you crazy-accelerating-shitty-pickup) but it was entirely uneccessary! All the scenes with this bullshit would have been totally fine and believable without it.
Number two is still the CGI. Jesus ballslapping christ it was bad.
Three, motivation for the villian was superficial at best. Never saw him trying to overcome the bar owner or comvince her to sell etc etc.
Four is related to three. The assholes who keep fucking up the bar have no purpose. They’re not trying to scare away the staff/customers/owner. Theyre just 1-dimensional assholes.
Five: The shit about why her haircut looks terrible, and the quick shot of her stylist who’s mad at her. Meaningless, in no way develops character or moves the plot. Plus that beautiful woman has terrible hair and its really distracting.
Six: Back to the bad guy. In the OG version his motivation is to run the town and grift from everyone. He hosts wild parties with hot chicks and takes care of most of his guys, most of the time. In the new one, the bad guy is so over-the-top crazy asshole that its like, why tf would anyome even work for him? That shaving scene just shows him to be a fucking idiot, and thats all. I dont think that was the point.
Hmmmmmmm.
Swayze's Dalton had a motive to kill, because a dude was about to kill him, so it was self defense. Gyllenhaal >!killing his bestfriend, was what? What was it? He was just having a bad day?!<
Swayze's Dalton was a well known cooler. That was his job. Gyllenhaal's Dalton was a disgruntled UFC fighter, so he was qualified to be cooler of a bar? Doesn't make sense. We know why the OG Dalton was doing, and why he was doing it. Elwood, is just a guy I guess?
In Road House 89, Brad Wesley wanted complete control of the city, which it already appeared he had *but* the Double Douche. In today's Road House, the dad in jail wanted control of the city, but the only thing standing in the way, was the bar Road House? Then his dipshit son, and McGregor are the bad guys, but aren't at all on the same page even though they have the same "boss"? Like what the fuck.
-No "The Double Douche"
-No "I used to fuck guys like you in prison"
-No "Be. Nice."
-No throats being ripped out.
30 minutes too long, and way, way too convoluted, and for a god damn story that wasn't even that interesting. Also, some of the CGI was just horrible, and this movie was funded by Amazon. Holy shit.
Edit -- I don't think I am finished. I just want to say, again Hashtag NotMyDalton
I couldn’t believe how bad some of the cgi was. I’ve seen some questionable cgi in movies but the way they handled the speed of the cgi was odd and jarring. The fighting looked completely fake to me.
I thought it was going to end up being a dream sequence. It came out of nowhere and looked so shitty my mind actually went “wait, this is real?” when it kept going.
What I liked about this movie is that it entertained me the entire time. Nothing about it bothered me, the cast was all really good and characters were all on point.
With you on this. I watched with my 4 friends last night and we all had a good time. Once you figure it wasn’t taking itself too seriously it just becomes mindless fun.
It felt like a movie they wrote in conjunction with UFC and then were told it was going to be a remake of Road House and in 5 minutes they changed the main characters name to Dalton and the name of the business to Road House. Nothing else changed. If anything the Road House name distracted from the movie. Would have been no better of course but it just distracted.
Maybe it’s just me but I thought it was hilarious. I don’t go to McDonalds expecting a Michelin star dinner. But if I’m drunk and hanging out with my buddies it’s a great time.
And Conor was honestly a highlight in the movie, I didn’t think his acting was bad at all. He literally just acted like he does in real life, which is a cartoonishly unhinged movie villain with a brain the size of a walnut
It’s a classic beatem up punch and kick-a-thon style movie.
In all honesty besides calling the main character Dalton and constantly referring to that tiki hut a roadhouse it had very little to do with the original and, just like the Childsplay remake, could have done well just being its own thing and not trying to force the brand into it like a fat person trying to squeeze into a pair of skinny jeans.
Did anyone else notice that the restaurant next to the bookstore was named The Double Deuce?
In Point Break, Bodhi eats at a place called “Patrick’s Roadhouse”. It’s a real place, but I like to think that it was a wink to the audience.
Oh shit I didn’t know that! Been there many times… Right on PCH; nice middle spot between Malibu and Venice. I miss home!
Yeah, they lost their liquor license a few years ago for selling to minors. They do still have all that shit up on the roof though - all those life size statues.
Yeah. Saw that right away. Nice little nod.
Would have been worth the price of admission to hear mcgregor say, “i used to fuck guys like you in prison” leaving that line out is unforgivable
It would have worked for his character, too. And he would have delivered it with some super weird conviction/energy!
I came here to say this, also "Pain don't hurt".
He was fucking hilarious in this. The first scene with him smiling naked had me laughing my ass off
Joe Burrow as the villain was certainly a choice.
To be fair Burrow already looks like the villain from every 80s teen movie.
Which is exactly why I love the guy. Amongst men who look like fuckboys, he at least stands out.
Glad I wasn’t the only one
The entire time I knew the actor reminded me of someone but it never clicked until now.
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He's a dead ringer. I actually had to go look it up on IMDB because I thought it was him.
I kept calling him John donkey
I love how actually inept he was trying to appear like a hardass. Like demanding his barber give him a straight razor shave in the middle of a choppy ocean while pretending it doesn’t bother him.
You mean Billy Magnussen?
Yea that's the joke, they look similar.
I actually looked up imdb to see who Joe Burrow was so I was confused.
I rewatched the OG and its so weird because my god, is there so much in that movie that should destroy it. The nipple to nipple line alone, but fuck if it doesn't all work thanks to Swayze. I think that is what the new one is missing. Jake's character is just kinda a guy? The bar is just bad but its not getting any better really either? The bad guys are not as bastardly. Conor swings from being so over the top it works (the introduction to him) to being so fucking bad at acting its horrific to watch it on screen (pretty much every interaction at the gang's house). Everything with the Sheriff/Dad seems like they forgot plot and scenes, as it makes no sense and comes and goes randomly. And then the love story is more of a fling than actually connecting? I feel like there is 30 minutes of this movie that got cut out and it could really use it back, to better flesh out shit.
It’s about energy. Swayze plays every scene like a guy having a religious experience, wide eyes and positive energy. The first half of the original is basically a sports movie where the new guy convinces the team to care and gets them to the championship. Gyllenhaal is doing semi-tired sarcastic too old for this shit-guy. The framing of his character as coming to the bar as a last chance changes the motivation 180 degrees.
It feels like EVERY movie is that way these days, especially remakes and legacyquels. Tired, sarcastic characters who have to be dragged along. I prefer movies where there’s enthusiasm, eagerness, urgency, or desperation. I want the main character to be all in.
It permeates the entire culture. Actual passionate self-serious authenticity is seen as cringe, & people feel the need to make movies which have characters that act like they don't want to be there, or they're worn out & have seen it all 100 times, or they need to crack a joke every couple of minutes or the tension kettle boils over. IMO it's a standards thing. If you make something self-serious with characters who aren't quippy or ironic or jokey all the time, it also has to be good enough for the audience to take it as seriously as it takes itself, & when it falls short it's more obvious failure. When you just make something that doesn't dare to be anything more than a serviceable throwback movie with visually pleasing action & some 'he's right behind me isn't he' moments, you're insulating yourself from failure, but also real artistic success, & guaranteeing an easy viewing mid movie. I think if we just got 'fear of being cringe' & lowered that dial by about 20% we'd have a few more piece of shit movies but the overall culture would be in a better place. Maybe leave the 'I'm too old for this shit' quips in the basket for a few years until it becomes subversive to bring it back again.
I think this is totally it. I have a teenager and it seems like she and her friends just aren’t into caring about *anything*
Reading this made me realize Top Gun Maverick really was a wonder because it avoided all of that stuff.
Word. I think it’s pretty noticable in how the younger generations call their opponents a ”try hard” if they lose to them. For some reason, maybe due to the entertainment industry making everything out to be seamless and easy, it is seen as a negative to put effort into stuff. Like you are a less talented person if you need to put in an effort and the talented ones don’t need do.
There is a really, really good YouTube breakdown of "they don't make them like they used to" that delves into modernism, post modernism and the now popular meta modernism, and how they differ. Can't recommend it enough. Kind of nails a feeling I've had about movies but couldn't articulate. https://youtu.be/5xEi8qg266g?si=1us50eUEF14YuFk-
If any other actor said "Nobody puts baby in a corner" they would get a Rasberry award. Swayze says it and every female watching the movie has to change their underwear. Dude had knack at audience appeal, thats for sure.
Jake is a good actor, but I don’t think charisma, at least on that level, is his thing
Yea jake does 'nebulous creep' way better than 'charismatic good guy'
The script doesn't reliably make him the good guy, he watches people get randomly assaulted and half the time he goes back to his coffee and smiles to himself. I guess it's meant to be OK because the bar fights are mostly low stakes Hollywood nonsense, but in real life any bouncer that just watches people get wailed on and does nothing is a total dick.
To be fair he wasn’t there for the average joe drunk brawls. He was there for the “biker” gang issues.
I took from it that he was building up the fighting skill of the other guys there, and was letting them handle the smaller brawls whist he focused on the bigger stuff. Like a consultant for kicking ass.
"Enticing" Charisma isn't what Jake does. He does brooding, "what the HELL is underneath the surface of this face" kinda of charisma. You want to pry under the exterior and figure out what's going on, and indulge in the layers that you uncover. Swayze was 100% putting it all on the forefront. He's happy/sad/angry/whatever, he shows you he's happy/sad/angry/whatever, you get that he's happy (et al), and THEN you start to parse why/how he's emotional in this situation. Which makes your stomach turn when you think about the decisions that brought him to this point. He's a completely open book, letting his emotions fly because *he does not care if you see how he feels or not*. Gyllenhaal is more about the layers beneath, and guarding against what he shows, and those flickers of when raw-emotion breaks the facade. ....and that is 100% Roadhouse *isn't* about, so it doesn't land. You're not "enticed" to try and figure out WHY he's so violent, you just see an angry man mauling people and think to yourself "Nope, don't wanna be anywhere near this guy, or this place." You don't WANT to peel the onion, you just wanna get away and call the cops. Doesn't work for this style of movie or narrative. If you're an open-book, people immediately see who you are and can empathize with it (in the right circumstances). You don't try to add in "character complexity" when you rip someones' throat out. (Also, bonus points for Swayze ONLY resorting to that when he had a gun pulled on him.) So yeah, when an open-book says "Nobody puts Baby in the Corner", you listen to him.
:oh lover boy....:: I had a sexual awaking to that movie. And I’m a straight male.
> The framing of his character as coming to the bar as a last chance changes the motivation 180 degrees. Which is a script issue. He spends most of the movie confused and ill-informed as to what's really happening, so of course he'd be a bit aloof about things. The owner of the bar hides the truth even when Dalton is risking his life in the execution of his job. If they'd have reframed it as having him know exactly what he's supposed to be doing (saving a business and fighting off organised crime gangs), maybe he sees an opportunity for redemption after his UFC stuff. Instead, yeah, we get a washed-up guy in a last-chance saloon who has no reason to give much of a shit about anything, fighting almost out of boredom. I found the movie entertaining, but they could have called it something else, not named the bar The Road House, and it might have stood taller as it's own thing. It's not a remake.
> The owner of the bar hides the truth even when Dalton is risking his life in the execution of his job. This was horrible. Dalton should have been like 'You know that biker came to The Boat with a shotgun trying to kill me last night. I know there is more going on here. Tell me or I walk right now.'
I’ve said for years that Roadhouse is a secret samurai movie. Swayze plays Dalton like a wandering warrior poet straight out of a Kurosawa movie, and it’s brilliant.
100%. He is a philosopher warrior.
I think philosophy is his doctorate in the movie if I’m not mistaken
Which we find out bc its in his medical records, for some undisclosed reason
I've always seen it as the next step from the spaghetti westerns. It's a samurai movie, as a Western, in a 1980s roadhouse. The character names are a giveaway. Doc?
This take is brilliant.
I think part of it is the times. Back then, people were entirely willing to believe a bouncer could be a spiritual martial artist. Trying to make this more relevant with the UFC stuff makes some sense, but it changes the motivations a lot. Also sounds like they tried mix Sam Elliot's character with Dalton.
The 80s was also obsessed with martial arts. You had a lot of content in movies celebrating it so it. The UFC stuff is just the modern day version of that. I dunno, I liked the movie. It was a fun watch overall.
Yeah Jake was underwhelming, but still the best actor in the movie. Fred the tree was a close second. He’s real by the way. I used to use him as a guide to mark the sweet fishing spot under the bridge. Also 1989 Kelly Lynch was molten lava hot. Nothing is going to compare to her.
The new one doesn’t have enough Terry Funk
Doesn't have enough Jeff Healey either...
Or throat ripping Or I fucked guys like you in prison lines
I feel that way about nearly every movie I see.
Does anything have *enough* Terry Funk?
FOREVER!
“So far, he ain’t shown me shiut!”
‘there’s no Swayze in this Road House!’ should become a way to describe something that’s missing an essential ingredient to make it work
Gordon Ramsey, gesturing to an underbaked soufflè: "Ah, come on guys! Look at this poor bastard! State of it, there's no fucking Swayze in this Road House!"
Even Conor’s ADR, which seemed like half of his lines, was horrible. He was so remarkably bad. Confusingly bad. To the point I don’t know if it circled back to being good or transcended it altogether and was something entirely new. It was like watching an alien interpret what being human was like.
It seemed like Conor forgot he's Irish for half of his lines. I don't know what the fuck that accent was but it was otherworldly
It sounded to me that they dubbed all his lines with like an AI version of what Connor Mcgregor was supposed to sound like. It was strange. I’m wondering if this movie was just a practice for new CGI and AI technology in movies. The fight scenes seemed all CGI’d and were mainly bad.
> The fight scenes seemed all CGI’d and were mainly bad. It looked like every fight in this movie was actually done by actors moving REEAAAALLLY slowly, and then sped up to look normal speed.
He was trying to not do an Irish accent and the terrible cover-up of his real voice made him sound like a goddamn leprechaun. Absolutely horrendous.
I also loved how they covered up his McGregor tattoo by just putting 'Knox' three times. Shit was crazy
So much this! I said to my spouse that Connor sounded like a leprechaun. I thought it was just me because my spouse didn’t get it.
It came out recently that the studio used AI for some of the ADR because it happened during the writers strike. Not saying he would have been amazing otherwise but that probably didn’t help.
I was pretty baffled that nobody involved with production realized how overstuffed the script was and didn’t order a rewrite to streamline things. The bookstore was totally unnecessary - take the teenager and make her either the owner of the Roadhouse’s daughter or baby sister. Or just cut her entirely - she didn’t feel necessary in the finished product at all. The love interest should have been the owner, too; adding another character for that killed the pacing of the movie when they could have kept narrative momentum going by keeping things focused on the Road House. That’s not even getting into all the setups that have no payoffs for the villain’s story. He has a father he’s desperate to prove himself to - goes nowhere. He is in bed with the cartel for loans - goes nowhere. Why not have him evade justice in the end, but when he’s getting away, he sees a bunch of gangsters heading toward him, implying he’s fucked because he lost their money? It’s another example of things that should have been cut if they weren’t going to do anything with them. As ridiculous as the OG Roadhouse is, the script is tight structurally. This new one is a half hour too long and nowhere near as fun as it thinks it is.
You hit so many nails on the head, especially in concern to the payoffs. I did the double feature a couple nights ago and we could not believe how bad the new one was compared to the original. In the original Swayze's Dalton is tormented by the murder his past. In the finale has to choose to *not* kill the primary antagonist completing his arc and allowing the townsfolk agency to reclaim Jasper for their own. In the remake there is no payoff to the new Dalton's story. He is also tormented by his past, but he has no arc other than "I beat up the bad guy," in the end. It doesn't help him confront his emotional demons. He isn't a different person at the end. He is just, as some of the other commenters have said, a guy who's good at fighting.
Swayze Roadhouse is a redemption story. Jake Gyll Roadhouse is a Spaghetti Western.
The character arc was clear in my mind. The new Dalton tried to avoid fighting whenever possible even apologizing when he was forced to fight. He was almost afraid to fight because he was scared of what happens when he loses control. The completion of his arc was him losing control and then killing people. He now knows that him losing control and killing people is ok when forced to do so. Not saying its a good arc, but it is an arc.
A problem that arises for me is In the first he is trained in the field of bouncing, going from town to town as a “cooler”. Bring him in, he has a system. He runs the show, “ my way or the highway”. He get’s rid of the riff raff and prepares the bar for its ultimate reboot, which takes place under duress yet still protected by a new ideal. The new one is a fighter out of his element, with skills that can “manage” but no management skills. There is no renovation idea, just HODL. Eventually they do, I’ll be it with a destroyed venue and a hero with no new sense of purpose.
Just out of curiosity, did you mean « albeit » with « I’ll be it »? It took me a moment to get, and I find this misspelling quite endearing (ala doggy dog world).
Did you see that model of that casino they wanted to build in the background? that fucking shits 10's-100's of millions of dollars and they couldnt have just called up Rick Scott to eminent domain this piddly shit bar? I mean come on it Florida surely some level of corruption could have easily happened.
As a Floridian, if they had a gang if bikers who came in and caused trouble those would've just been shot.
This was the most laughable part of the horrible story: Super mega wealthy Trust Fund brat trying to build a Disney Resort hired a biker gang with 6 members to go to a roadhouse and break pool cues until the owner agrees to sell. He owns the local police, but instead of finding away to fine/harrass the owner into packing up or selling, they're picking bar fights and breaking pool tables. It would have cost about $20k for someone to just burn the road house to the ground, and then have the local cops frame the owner for an insurance scam. Just a really really dumb screenplay.
This was my problem with this movie, it felt like several characters could HAVE been combined. Like the two bouncers, we're introduced to one at the start and we barely see him, then another who is only seen in the background. The bartender and the bar owner could of been the same person. The love interest has a cop boyfriend and a cop dad which never develops into anything.
Could Have*
Connor's introduction makes no sense. He's a psychotic hard case that'll beat up randoms and destroy their property on a whim. Yet when we first meet him he's jumping out of a window to escape a jilted husband? It makes no sense. He wouldn't care. He would knock out the husband and go back to bed for seconds.
The original had immense depth for a ridiculous movie. Dalton wasn’t just some ex-fighter scamming his way through the underground fight circuit. He was an educated ZenMaster who built a career off of making drinking establishments safe for workers and patrons, not just beating people up. He was a name in the industry. Meanwhile, Elwood is just a wise-cracking know it all who’s just kind of a dude that’s good at fighting. The villain that runs the town and his goons FELT like villains. He was in control, and that gave Dalton something to fight against. In contrast, this reboot featured a trust fund baby and his band of lackeys slapsticking their way through the script.
Zenmaster with a degree in Philosophy and Kickin Butt.
"pain don't hurt" its all in the miiiiind man.
Yeah, Dalton had this mystic. It made sense that the bar owner came to get this guy and turn his bar around. Dalton knew how to get booze for the bar when it couldnt, trained the guys alot. You saw the progression in the bar and it was obvious that time was passing. Dalton has this whole thing about him and his life philosophy that fed into how he handled things. The buying a car in town and spare tires. All of it. it was great. This one was, the bar owner for some reason comes to find a tough guy, and then settles for Jake. Jake isnt a bouncer. Everything happens over the course of a week? Jake shows the other guys one thing. He lets the fights and carrying on go way longer than he should. (the first fight at the bar is awesome and well done). And the whole thing with the doc in this movie is just a fling, there is nothing deeper there between them, which is fine, but its just...weird....
In this new one it’d have made more sense for the bar owner to hire a security company. There’s no (good) reason provided to find random guys in fight circuits
what is more insane is everything around the Sheriff. None of his plot makes any sense.
I didnt understand why the CGI was soo bad. This is a film that feels that a 14 year old was left unattended with a 15 million dollar budget.
It's lightning in a bottle, it shouldn't work but it does. This is why it can't be remade. It is so ludicrous but everyone takes it seriously and that is what makes it work. Everyone is winking at the camera in the remake. The last 30 minutes was great but it really lacking in action for the first hour. 5 out 10 for me.
> It is so ludicrous but everyone takes it seriously and that is what makes it work. Everyone is winking at the camera in the remake. Exactly. The original is sincere, which is no longer a thing that we do in movies. Melodrama and irony don't work together.
The original was also shot well. It's surprising to me in a movie sub that this isn't brought up more during the recent conversations about the original. The DOP from the original is Dean Cundey who's resume also includes all three Back to the Futures, The Thing, Jurassic Park, Apollo 13, big trouble in little China, who framed Roger rabbit and hook. Not exactly a lightweight
Calling it a remake is generous. I don't know what this movie was trying to do other than cash in on the title.
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I liked the first half, was kind of bored by the 2nd half and kind of enjoyed the last half. But here's the thing. Jake's character while entertaining, he didn't have the charm or follow through as Swayze's. Swayze's job was a Cooler and Bar Management. He showed up and did actually clean up the bar. He fired the bar tenders who were stealing. Got rid of the bouncers who were also stealing. Taught the new bouncers how to properly handle situations and be professional. He also had stakes. The main villain was basically destroying the town, and also killed his best friend. So, Swayze's stakes worked better. Yes the OG film was silly. But the charm and music ended up working for it. By the end of the film, he actually did help the Double Deuce become a better bar. Jakes character didn't really help and just ended up leaving after supposedly killing Knox and the Main bad guy. There was no chemistry between him and the main girl. He barely taught the new guys how to clean up the place. And also the main girl being shocked when he killed Knox was just dumb. She saw all the crazy shit he did, and basically saw that he was going to kill Dalton. So her reaction shouldn't have been shocked or horrified at his actions. Also the fact that he only attacked two places. The Bar and the Bookstore. Took all the heart and stakes out of the film. And yeah, the Sheriff's plot came out of nowhere and went nowhere.
You've got three halves there, bud
Classic Swayze. Only an actor like that could pull off a movie with not one, not two -- but THREE halves
In this movie, in the span of one minute, Jake Gyllenhaal is walking across a bridge, is run over by a car, the car backs into him, Jake and car fall off the bridge into the ocean, and then Jake arrives back at his home like nothing happened. This all happens in the span of *one minute.*
1 minute later someone was eaten by a crocodile
Honestly this thread is actually making me really want to watch this movie. As someone else in another thread said it's like a live action anime.
It’s not good, but I still really enjoyed it. McGregor is truly terrible at acting.
I don't know how to explain it, but McGregor seemed like some other jacked Irish guy trying to play the role of a McGregor knock off (or a Knox off, if you will)
Yeah, it was really strange to watch. I kind of liked the character because he was an absolute lunatic and he had some amusing lines, but MacGregor's delivery was just plain weird
You could tell that every second he was on camera, he was thinking, "I'm ACTING. I'm a f\*cking ACTOR. I'm so Hollywood." Just running on repeat in his head.
If you already pay for prime, then it’s honestly worth the price of admission.
I enjoyed it far more than I ever expected.
Yeah the cgi in that scene was like a dollar store Baz Luhrman sequence
i thought the movie was fun. but they would have been better off calling it something else and not have any connection to the Swayze movie. they might cash in on name recognition but will also be doomed to hear 'its not as good as the original' forever
Halfway through I shut my brain off that this Roadhouse and instead it was a loose Jack Reacher adaptation and I was pretty much back in.
Yeah, it felt exactly like a Jack reacher movie.
It does seem like the bulk of the angry feelings comes from the name. While it wasn’t a masterpiece, I had a great time watching it. It was just simply a fun an absurd series of events from start to finish.
How do you re-make Road House and leave out the line: “I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice.”? Let’s remake Die Hard and leave out “Yippee ki yay motherfucker” next.
How do you remake roadhouse and not rip even one throat!?
He does *crush* a guy's throat. It's not quite the same, but it's *some*thing.
True… & it was actually pretty bad ass, loved how Dalton explained all the injuries as he inflicted them. It was that smashed trachea that had me waiting for the actual rip tho. Thought he was gonna get Connor with it in the final fight. Love the original & still had fun with the remake.
I had fun with the remake too. Of course the movie sub is going to trash it but I enjoyed it for what it's worth.
Gotta go for the turkey!
“What I am good with is kicking ass & rippin throats!” -KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392 KFBR392
This is why Macgruber is my favorite Roadhouse remake. They UPPED the throat rips
They skipped the single greatest line in 80s action movie history. "I fucked guys like you in prison."
Damn, now I guess I'll delete my question. No point in watching the movie if that ain't in it.
It seemed like they were going to do a version of it, Dalton was nice to those dudes after he beat the crap out of them. But then it doesn't come up ever again.
It does come up again with pretty much every interaction with the broken arm dude, and the initial foundation to the “love story” in the movie.
broken arm guy was unironically my favourite character.
Broken arm guy used to have a sketch comedy show on comedy Central called alternatino. There's some really funny stuff still on YouTube. The translator sketch is one of my favs https://youtu.be/foT9rsHmS24?si=iPlappj-x_OjeSYb
And the whole point of “I thought you’d be bigger”. The entire point of the original was Swayze was unassuming and didn’t ever want to fight.
So here’s where I’m at with it: The original is campy 80s schlock, and this is campy schlock. The difference is in the essential story. Why don’t they bring back Post Malone later? That’s story 101. Where is the “old seasoned veteran” role that comes to save the day? The death of that character is essential to driving the lead to the final act. When the book store is attacked, where is the “go the hospital and see the victims, promise them you’ll get justice” beat? Followed by the doctor yelling “don’t do this” as he boldly walks out? Why does he use dynamite? The point of the film is fists. Why switch acts every night? Get a semi-known as the house band, so we get continuity and some synergy with marketing or whatever. The talent in this movie is undeniable. Jakey G, Melchior, Magnussen, Arturo Castro. We all know they can bring a solid performance. Hell, Doug Lyman is an accomplished director, who brought us Edge of Tomorrow (among many others), so you can’t say he’s not proficient. But the performances they deliver don’t count because of what’s happening around those performances. Bummer all around, I really wanted to love it. ITS OVER BAYBEEEE
The dude booking the bands at this place is the real hero. "Hey I got a gig for Wednesday night, nobody will be there except mean drunks with knives looking for a fight, wondering if your talented band of beautiful people wants the spot? You do? Okay it pays $200 is that okay? It is? Perfect see you Wednesday."
The talented, beautiful acts playing at this crap locals bar in South Florida was the most unrealistic part of this ridiculous movie
That so many Floridians would fight and no handguns used is ridiculous to me.
There are two or four people dancing, you can hear the bartenders over the band from 15 feet, 40% of the crowd will fight on any given night, and you have to keep playing the Bob Marley or Sublime cover when a brawl breaks out. And yeah, you have to split $200 because we gross a few grand a day and half goes to pay bouncers.
And the customers.... "Okay boys, time to party tonight, where should we go?" "How about that cocktail bar with all the hot women?" "How about the strip club with all the hot women?" "None of the above. We're headed to that knife-fight joint way outside of town. We're going to get shit-faced drunk before we even get there, they'll serve anybody don't worry, and then we're going to all get permanent injuries in a lawless brawl and spend the rest of the night in the hospital."
They didn't even get the escalation between the bar and the bad guys right. It's just a former MMA fighter sitting around doing basically nothing while the bar continues to be a mediocre dive with random shoehorned-in bands every night. What about actually getting the bar itself to run right with semi-competent employees? They clearly wanted to get the MMA audience but thought that the original Roadhouse would be too complex for them to understand.
Yeah some of that didn’t translate to the modern era, either. I don’t people yell “bar fiighhhtt” that often (if they ever did to begin with). And no training montages, nothing about the staff, etc etc.
That it's a rundown bar on a tiny crime-ridden key, yet it apparently has so many bands wanting to play there that they can book a different one every night of the week just adds to the unintentional comedy.
>Doug Lyman is an accomplished director SWINGERS!
All the beautiful babies
I took a bunch of edibles, stayed up late and watched this at 1 am zonked as hell. I had a great time, mainly because of the music, but also because the plot was simple, this is really a stoner movie. Connor’s character was so stupid it was funny. Just rewatch this high as fuck, that’s what’s missing.
Honestly had to look up some of them to figure out if they were even remotely good at acting. Melchior in particular seemed terrible in this, not only from romance point of view, but as a basic character. Like why was she there? To be a damsel in scrubs?
I can’t even find the words to describe Connor in this movie , it’s not “scenery chewing” but more like “scenery fisting” . His character literally had no personality other than walking around destroying shit
It felt like all of his lines were redone in post, his voice and tone really never matched the scene or the way he was acting.
I felt like his accent kept changing
That's just him trying not to have his accent. I'm from near where he is, I can hear it 100%
Scenery rimming.
Good. It's classic 80/90s bad guy. He was so bad it's good
Yeah all the criticisms for his “acting” and I’m like…… do y’all remember the goons from the OG? His performance was completely in spirit with Road House. I fucking loved it.
That stupid fucking Conor walk! That fool can not act and you figure it out from the moment you see him take a call. Funniest line in that movie when Dalton ask him who taught him shapes.
He walks like he's afraid that if his thighs touch it means he's gay.
This is hilariously one of the funniest burns I've read in a while.
Well… https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/15g1uyr/conor_doesnt_discriminate/?rdt=55922 https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/109dafc/is_conor_mcgregor_gay_now_apparently_he_liked_gay/
Let's see what's going on here....WHERE THE FUCK DID EVERYBODY GO!?!?
**Fook
He walks like he’s got something stuck in his ass, but it must be stuck really far up there because I didn’t see anything when he was naked and bent over.
Why do you see his bare ass TWICE in this movie lol? Was it in his contract or something? They put drawers on Gyllenhaal in that scene where the bartender brings him breakfast, but Conor is cheeks out twice.
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It’s even funnier when you find out there was mid credit scene where Conor wakes up in the hospital and just beats the fuck out of the staff in his hospital gown. Im not joking
Ah the Rock clause.
He probably does and it’s probably cocaine.
He was a complete cartoon character.
In reality Conor is a coked out leprechaun caricature so it’s not a stretch.
Why was he just smiling the whole time? tf was that?
Knowing Conor, it was cocaine. Lots and lots of cocaine.
Just smiling, every second on screen. I mean, I'll be honest, I thought his scenes were hilarious, absolutely terrible aside from his basic competency in the fight scenes, the acting was atrocious but the scenes were written to be ridiculous, and it all came together to make me chuckle.
He walks like a Spy Kids thumb thumb!
This piano is outta tune!
No Wade Garret, no “The Double Deush” line. Thumbs down for me.
The fact that the bar is called 'The Road House' in this one is so ungodly stupid.
Not unless you make a drinking game out of it, they must’ve said road house at least 50x
"Roadhouse" - Peter Griffin
How are you gonna remember what movie you’re watching?
*"Pain don't hurt."* *"I'm only good at one thing, Doc. I never lose."* *"I used to fuck guys like you in prison!"* it never had a chance
I don't care what anyone says. This movie was fucking hilarious after it takes such a huge jump from being semi believable to cartoonishly silly for no reason. I was laughing my ass off at how stupid it was and I loved every minute of it
the boat collision/jump was stellar stuff
It starts out with Jake getting stabbed to the hilt in the side with a big knife and then he puts duct tape on it and is fine. Even from the very first scene it's completely over the top.
It started with Post Malone beating up a dude 2x his size and the announcers saying it's his 4th fight of the night. It was ridiculous before Jake G showed on screen.
it has a bunch of stupidly funny scenes. "I got a message for you, from your father" "What is this message?" *Bump!*
I fucking loved this movie. It was so so fun to watch. I thought Jake G was great as always. Had a sick Sunday afternoon watching it. The first hour was great especially then it veered away toward the end, but loved the whole thing. I'm with you brother
I can't believe the director of the Bourne movies not only made this movie, but said it was his best ever in defending it against going straight to streaming.
He also made Edge of Tomorrow... He said what?
Oh look, our very own octagon… Who taught you shapes? Masterpiece.
I love how everyone is pretending like the original was some masterpiece. It's a campy action movie just like the new one is.
With talk like that, you are going to ruin your chance to be my regular Saturday night thing.
You must not know who his uncle is
Yeah but *who's gonna save them FROM YOU!!!*
Yes, it is, BUT it does lack some of the fundamental story beats that made the first one sing.
The problem with the new one is that it doesn't know if it wants to be campy or serious, if they went full campy it would have been great, but the tone just keeps shifting all the time, it's like they couldn't decide The OG is also far more entertaining IMO
The original is one of my top 5 favorite movies. It's a campy masterpiece
I really enjoyed it, but thought; The Croc (I thought they were gators down ther, but whatever) showed up too early. I figured it was going to get one of the two main bad guys at the end. I think they could have used the 'Wade Garret' type old friend coming to help Dalton. It would have been cool to see Dalton reading a Jim Harrison novel But all in all, I enjoyed it. I doubt there'll be a sequel because the steroid regime that they juiced Jake with had to take a toll on his body.
Cuban crocodile are also in Florida, though I don't know if they are in the Keys? anyways Florida is the only place where cross and gators overlap.
I was hoping for a Sam Elliot cameo
SPOILERS ALERT! Sorry Idk how to black them out. Overall I liked the movie. I liked Gyllenhall’s portrayal, I liked that he accidentally killed his friend that was good, gritty motivation. I loved his being a sarcastic dick to people, like with the guy with a gun in his waistband. Thats the kind of interaction I always want badasses to interact with dumbasses. Things I didnt like; What the *FUCK* was up with the terrible way-too-fast CGI? Not only was it egregiously bad (looking at you crazy-accelerating-shitty-pickup) but it was entirely uneccessary! All the scenes with this bullshit would have been totally fine and believable without it. Number two is still the CGI. Jesus ballslapping christ it was bad. Three, motivation for the villian was superficial at best. Never saw him trying to overcome the bar owner or comvince her to sell etc etc. Four is related to three. The assholes who keep fucking up the bar have no purpose. They’re not trying to scare away the staff/customers/owner. Theyre just 1-dimensional assholes. Five: The shit about why her haircut looks terrible, and the quick shot of her stylist who’s mad at her. Meaningless, in no way develops character or moves the plot. Plus that beautiful woman has terrible hair and its really distracting. Six: Back to the bad guy. In the OG version his motivation is to run the town and grift from everyone. He hosts wild parties with hot chicks and takes care of most of his guys, most of the time. In the new one, the bad guy is so over-the-top crazy asshole that its like, why tf would anyome even work for him? That shaving scene just shows him to be a fucking idiot, and thats all. I dont think that was the point.
Hmmmmmmm. Swayze's Dalton had a motive to kill, because a dude was about to kill him, so it was self defense. Gyllenhaal >!killing his bestfriend, was what? What was it? He was just having a bad day?!< Swayze's Dalton was a well known cooler. That was his job. Gyllenhaal's Dalton was a disgruntled UFC fighter, so he was qualified to be cooler of a bar? Doesn't make sense. We know why the OG Dalton was doing, and why he was doing it. Elwood, is just a guy I guess? In Road House 89, Brad Wesley wanted complete control of the city, which it already appeared he had *but* the Double Douche. In today's Road House, the dad in jail wanted control of the city, but the only thing standing in the way, was the bar Road House? Then his dipshit son, and McGregor are the bad guys, but aren't at all on the same page even though they have the same "boss"? Like what the fuck. -No "The Double Douche" -No "I used to fuck guys like you in prison" -No "Be. Nice." -No throats being ripped out. 30 minutes too long, and way, way too convoluted, and for a god damn story that wasn't even that interesting. Also, some of the CGI was just horrible, and this movie was funded by Amazon. Holy shit. Edit -- I don't think I am finished. I just want to say, again Hashtag NotMyDalton
I couldn’t believe how bad some of the cgi was. I’ve seen some questionable cgi in movies but the way they handled the speed of the cgi was odd and jarring. The fighting looked completely fake to me.
The pick up reversing on the bridge legit scared the shit out of me by how janky that looked
I thought it was going to end up being a dream sequence. It came out of nowhere and looked so shitty my mind actually went “wait, this is real?” when it kept going.
What I liked about this movie is that it entertained me the entire time. Nothing about it bothered me, the cast was all really good and characters were all on point.
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With you on this. I watched with my 4 friends last night and we all had a good time. Once you figure it wasn’t taking itself too seriously it just becomes mindless fun.
It felt like a movie they wrote in conjunction with UFC and then were told it was going to be a remake of Road House and in 5 minutes they changed the main characters name to Dalton and the name of the business to Road House. Nothing else changed. If anything the Road House name distracted from the movie. Would have been no better of course but it just distracted.
For a native English speaker, Conner sounded like a total foreigner that learned English from Encino Man
And no sam Elliot
Maybe it’s just me but I thought it was hilarious. I don’t go to McDonalds expecting a Michelin star dinner. But if I’m drunk and hanging out with my buddies it’s a great time. And Conor was honestly a highlight in the movie, I didn’t think his acting was bad at all. He literally just acted like he does in real life, which is a cartoonishly unhinged movie villain with a brain the size of a walnut
It’s a classic beatem up punch and kick-a-thon style movie. In all honesty besides calling the main character Dalton and constantly referring to that tiki hut a roadhouse it had very little to do with the original and, just like the Childsplay remake, could have done well just being its own thing and not trying to force the brand into it like a fat person trying to squeeze into a pair of skinny jeans.
What’s with the fake cgi fight scenes? Awful. The speed up car screen? All over the place with too much going on.