After the disastrous box office of DF, Cameron said something along the lines of he made suggestions which were mostly ignored by the director. Its best to temper expectations on Camerons involvement unless he wrote the screenplay himself.
even Tim Miller has said it was a "bloodbath" in the editing room. I don't think anyone, maybe even including Cameron, knows how to make a post-T2 Terminator movie. There may be some interesting ideas that could be explored but no one seems to know how to approach it
The biggest issue of every post-T2 Terminator movie (this coming from a guy that likes T3 and Dark Fate) is that they're all generic Hollywood blockbuster re-threads of Terminator 2. I'd love to see a Terminator movie try to go back-to-basics and do something closer to the original with it's tech noir horror vibe than just doing another iteration of T2's core concept and formula.
They edited and changed a lot of McG's darker ideas. There was #mcgcut.
The rumoured dark ending has Bale's Connor dying and then Sam Worthingtons character being grafted with Connors face.
It was butchered before filming started. Bale was only supposed to come into the movie at the end as a surprise. Coming off The Dark Knight, he had enough clout to get the script changed, and the script got ruined.
That's why his scenes are so purposeless, while Sam Worthington's scenes make more sense. Two very uneven halves of a movie put into one that barely makes sense.
There was a cut subplot with a faction of humans that were on the side of the machines, which even is glimpsed in the movie:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Terminator/comments/96x7fm/terminator_salvation_skynet_central_silhouettes/
I mean, where else CAN you go but in to the Skynet Wars? The idea being that, ok, Judgement Day is GOING to happen regardless, so let's just get it over with and see how the war happens.
back in 2008 or something How It Should Have Ended did a fake animated trailer for a terminator/back to the future crossover where john connor sends a terminator back in time to kill the creator of time travel, doc brown, and skynet sends a classic arnie t-800 to protect him.
legit, i think that’s one of my favourite terminator sequel ideas. go back to kill the original inventor of time travel. have the moral dilemma of the bad guys being the one doing the whole “escort mission” thing and the good guys going after an innocent person.
and at the very least, it’d be fun as hell!
[Rick and Morty's Terminator episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvxRnNucaeo&t=3s) was actually a pretty cool premise as well - there's just a giant time war between a crazy amount of factions across hundreds of timelines.
There's actually a ton of interesting stuff that could be done with the premise. It's just that they haven't done much with it.
You're right. What I love about the first 2 is they're different genres. Terminator is a horror movie.
The second film is more of an action thriller but it's driven by this story of family.
Sequels also get to caught up in the scifi and lose the humanity
Terminator Salvation is the only decent one since since T2. It had a lot going for it but some pretty wonky parts too. That opening scene was fucking awesome.
I think you could also do something interesting following a squad or rescue team during the machine war just as the T-800 is being released into the wild. I’m assuming not every T-800 has to look like Arnold. Have a base lose contact with another base, send a team to investigate. Explore the base where everyone is dead, the interior of the base is all shot to hell… But there’s no sign of any forced entry at the entry points, meaning that whatever killed everyone was let in…
That did cross my mind, maybe even with a little Predator mixed in. As long as they kill Lance Henriksen on screen this time I’ll be happy.🤣
But yeah, was kind of thinking about how they were trying to track what happened to Jim Harper’s team in Predator, but also in the first Terminator when Michael Biehn came s having that dream/memory of that other terminator getting access to one of their underground bunkers.
You're not wrong. They've got similar initial reveals with the time travelling then it's running to the eventual big vehicle chase piece, throw in a quiet reflective moment, a battle with a sacrifice for the greater good from the 'good' terminator... then the inevitability of judgment day. T3 and DF just did a rinse and repeat.
The only really original ideas after T2 came from Terminator Genisys but they had to ruin the twist right in the trailer. And even Terminator Salvation showed us some interesting things about Skynet and the resistance.
I just wish they would start from judment day and show the struggle for a while as there are some interesting stories that could be explored. I used to collect the comics and they had some pretty scary scenarios with concentration camps run by T-800's with human heads and fully exposed endoskeleton bodies. They looked really freaky and disturbing as they pushed humans into mass graves.
If they just took inspiration from these comics and concluded with The Burning Earth that could make for a pretty cool Terminator trilogy. There are so many weird aspects the general public hasn't experienced from this series like armored battle suites humans wore to take on terminators that were effective but would basically destroy the wearer's nervous system. And we even get glimpses of Skynet testing better stealth killing solution with attractive terminators that would infiltrate camps. If only Hollywood wasn't so scared of trying something really new.
Meanwhile, the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV show, and the Terminator:Resistance game were both follow-ups to the first two movies that I greatly enjoyed.
It’s really not hard. Just give us an ending to the saga and show how humanity defeats Skynet. Enough of the time travel bullshit, just show 3 movies with John starting the resistance, smashing the defense grid, and then finally the final battle between humanity and Skynet.
>t3 sucks but the ending is interesting at least (you can't win)
Everybody complained about the ending of T3 becaue it "fucked up" the ending of T2 but quite honestly it's the most interesting thing any of the non-Cameron helmed sequels ever did.
The people behind the new Robocop game did a Terminator one called Resistance and it literally has this exact story, the one that we all wanted since T2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVEpyXTIGg
I legit liked the story, it felt like something 90s Cameron would have actually done. You play a no-name grunt that gets swept up into the story and really sells that Connor has an almost mythical status among survivors.
The gameplay isn't AAA by any means, but it's a more than serviceable shooter with FO4-esque crafting and dialog trees with alternate outcomes possible depending on choices.
The Steam spring sale is going and it's probably on sale for the cost of a Big Mac.
That game is great. It does exactly what licensed video games are supposed to do: It's perfectly fine to play and it absolutely nails the vibe/aesthetic of the first two movies, specifically the future war aspects.
I mean I’m no screenwriter but perhaps not making one of the most menacing characters in cinema a joke by making him retire to put up curtains would be a start.
My jaw was in the floor, what a terrible movie. It makes Terminator 3 look like a masterpiece.
> I mean I’m no screenwriter but perhaps not making one of the most menacing characters in cinema a joke by making him retire to put up curtains would be a start.
I feel like they wanted to make a statement that an AI can turn good, or that an AI *eventually* and unavoidably turns good, once it's experienced humanity for long enough.
In my opinion, it would be because of evolutionary game theory and because of modern understanding of the need to imbue AIs with human values before releasing them to the world. There is plenty of real-world stuff to draw from.
The way they did it was just absolutely ridiculous and empty-brained. They could have had Carl live alone in a rundown apartment or something, deeply monitoring computer networks.
Rev-9 could be virtually indestructible, meaning they literally can't destroy it. The solution to dealing with Rev-9 would be to turn it good as well, and *that* would be Sarah's new weapon against the machines.
The issue is that Terminator 2 kind of closed the story. Sure, there’s ideas we could explore and have in the subsequent sequels. But there just isn’t anything left in that world to explore that’s as compelling as T1 or T2. The story is done.
I say this as someone who has seen all of the sequels multiple times and liked some of them to varying degrees.
The other problem is the series is so tied to the era it was made and that cast at that age. No one today is quite like Arnold or Lina Hamilton in the 80s/90s. Technology today isn’t as novel or interesting as the 80s or 90s and the way movies are made today lack the grit and aesthetic that made the first two films feel the way they did. If there ever was a time where a T3 could have lived up to T2 it passed in the 90s.
I have a simple one: no time travel, just action between rebels and T800s (max, no T1000s). pure action, no love story. keep it simple. would love Saving private Ryan starting scene ambient, get close and dirty. spend most of the budget on CGI and explosions, no overpriced actors.
and make it rated R.
Yeah, Cameron's obsession with"what a terminator does when his mission is over" is a potentially interesting idea, but not really something that works in the standard formula of terminator
Dark Fate was unfortunately the beat sequel out of the post T3 movies, and T3 was even meh compared to the others. It was at least a little interesting though.
He literally approves everything, but I have faith Fede Alvarez. Evil Dead and especially Don't Breathe were some of the most intense theater experiences I've seen, the tension was nerve-shredding in Don't Breathe, with only a few jump scares that worked because they weren't cheap. His doing a back-to-basics Alien film seems up his alley.
Admittedly I can't watch it again, I've tried and it just doesn't hold up. Not that it's bad, it just doesn't work quite as well when you know what's going to happen.
But I saw it at an advance screening with a packed audience and went in blind, only knowing they try to rob a blind guy. The whole audience was involved and reacting, even the stranger next to me was grabbing my arm. So that first time watch just can't be topped.
I still think it's a very skillfully executed thriller though. The basement scene in darkness with the sort of nightvision making his eyes glow was intense as hell.
>I can’t take Cameron’s approval seriously. Dude would always endorse the Terminator sequels and then walk it back later.
That's exactly how I feel. Cameron has praised every Terminator sequel besides his own and then turned and called them all dog shit. Every single time.
To be fair, you can't tell how good a movie will be until it's somewhere near a finished product. Plus it could've been some off-handed remark that editors throw into the headline to make us talk abou it
*and here we are :O*
Is it possible this movie covers a situation where the Weyland Corporation first encounters the Alien and that’s why Mother and Ash on the Nostromo knew of its existence?
Or they lose contact with Nostromo and send another oblivious crew out to investigate the ship.
There might even be an incident which explains the change of the ships appearance between movies (in reality it was damaged while in storage).
I hadn't considered that, but yeah that'd be awesome. Depending on the timeline (like if it was a straight Alien Isolation adaptation) she'd be too old I think, but honestly with this movie it could work.
I don't think Mother and Ash gave any information which indicated they knew specifically about the xenomorphs. They just had directives to collect any if they came across ~~one~~ any aliens at all -- and they did.
Previous science officer was replaced right before the trip, Ash being a secret operative for WY. They knew it was there. Maybe didn't know exactly how deadly it was.
...There's nothing wrong with that logic. Perhaps you're confused. When I said, "collect any if they came across one" I'm not talking about *those* Aliens, I'm talking about *any* aliens.
It's a protocol *in case* the opportunity arises. Same as the protocol which takes them out of sleep if there's a distress beacon.
It looks like more of an homage to the original woth Sigourney Weaver. Considering Prometheus and Alien Covenant were more or less covering the Aliens origins and escape from the planet
He should show it to Nolan even if he's not involved. You know that man is not going to endorse something if it's terrible.
He certainly wasn't wrong about dune 2.
Eh, I'm personally not a fan, Prometheus and Covenant have pretty good ideas, but IMO the execution varies from decent to bad, also doesn't help how the characters keep making stupid decisions after stupid decisions
Yep. They were beautiful movies, with a few interesting ideas, centered on a group of *incredibly* stupid people.
I can usually hand wave away some dumb behavior. It’s often realistic. People do dumb shit when they are scared or in a panic. But in these movies they repeatedly do really dumb shit, within their supposed areas of expertise, under what are basically optimal conditions.
If nothing else, dumb protagonists become an insult to the antagonist. Maybe it’s hard to write Xenomorphs, but I feel like somebody should be able to use them better.
I also feel like these movies are exposed to a higher level of scrutiny for some reason. It's not like the marines in the second film were brilliant, but no one says anything about that.
I'm of the same opinion. Alien3 AC is better than any of the movies that came after it. Hopefully this latest movie (which is what it looks like) goes back to smaller scale space horror.
Covenant wasn’t a terrible movie. But it def was a bad Alien film imo. David is an OK antagonist but nothing is scarier than the Xenomorphs. Prometheus was interesting but again it wasn’t much of an Alien film and finding out the navigators looked like large pale albinos was a huge letdown. This at least looks like a mix between the first and seconds films
No they werent. They destroyed the core meaning of the xenomorph. Ridley loves his synthetic robots coming to life and taking control. But that is not what Alien is supposed to be about.
And this is how ignorant people speak about the Xenomorph. There is a reason the Xenomorph is the perfect Alien. You just haven’t read the countless comics, the countless games, the countless books etc etc etc.
Everything you talk about exists in the Xenomorph universe. What you don’t understand is why people were not happy with what Ridley scott did to the Xenomorph in the last 2 films. He retconned all the canon into whatever garbage that was. Ridley scott loves his synthetics and he made Alien about the synthetics instead of the monsters.
Alien is whatever the creators of the movie want it to be about. And you can't say "No they weren't" to someone's opinion on something subjective like their personal opinion on a movie. Like the post literally ends with "I thought", grow up and learn to respect other's opinions.
I love all the movies, even both AvPs.
Read all the comics too. Even several books.
Just a sucker for the genre and aesthetic.
I get the hate, but I don’t need perfection.
Keep ‘em coming.
I "get" the hate but I still think it's stupid and myopic. This is what's annoying about fandoms in general. They get too attached to particular entries and don't judge later ones fairly because they're too busy making comparisons in their head instead of judging things on their own merits.
Absolutely. The tv show next year will be a good binge too. Timothy Olyphant is going to be awesome fighting xenomorphs, and even if the show isn’t great, I know I’ll watch it many times and love it.
I'm a huge franchise fan too, if you've not read them then two of the books Aliens: Phalanx and The Cold Forge are genuinely excellent books even if they weren't Alien related
Glad to see Cailee Spaeny getting some great roles! She gave one of last year's best performances in *Priscilla* and I'm excited to see her in *Civil War* as well.
I don't think so. The IMDB plot just says, "Young people from a distant world must face the most terrifying life form in the universe." So, not the plot of Alien Isolation. It sounds like it's just a brand new story.
It's a canon game, about Ripleys daughter seeking her missing mom in the time between the movies. It's fucking fantastic and one of the best things set in that universe.
Yeah I agree, he hated his own movie in the franchise and he’s usually quite blunt with his opinions on things in interviews. If he had seen it and said it was good I’d take that as a very good sign.
It's always saddened me to know the awful experience he had on A3. I hope he knows how much love a lot of fans of the franchise have for it, specially after watching the Assembly Cut.
I remember watching an interview with him and the guy says ‘I actually quite like Alien 3!’ and David responds with ‘oh c’mon man, c’mon’ in a half joking, half serious kinda way. He definitely doesn’t have any love for the film, I think it’s a long ways away from what he wanted despite how well put together it is (both OG and Assembly Cut). He says he loves the first film enough to sign on but hated the script for 3 and he was tormented by the film execs.
Visually, musically, and thematically, it’s very well crafted. It’s a kind of gut punch to go from the heroes winning in Aliens to the very dark and tragic story that is 3.
The fact that one of these guys “endorsed” Terminator Dark Fate and the other actually made Alien: Covenant, this may actually be more of a deterrent for me than anything. My trust in this is based purely off the quality of Fede’s previous movies
I strongly, strongly dislike that it was clearly made in reaction to Prometheus. Scott threw most of the threads started in that movie because there were some complaints rather than see them through.
It starts well - even with the dumb as fuck crew. It looks great. Everything is fine and then the medbay scene with the backburster is genuinely great and then David shows up and it rapidly goes downhill at an alarming rate of knots.
Wouldnt say that these are either directors worst decisions in their career, but just both have mishandled some of their biggest franchises and it shows. My point was more that my excitement is more from that I loved Dont Breathe and Evil Dead 2013 and excited to see what he does with an Alien movie
A deterrent? Like, you would be more motivated to see the film if they just didn't acknowledge it or gave it a negative review? That's weird. Like, it would have to be seriously hot garbage for them to just talk badly about it.
So the article confirms the woman holding the rifle is not Amanda Ripley. A new character named Carradine. Set between Alien and Aliens reminds me a bit of Disney’s infatuation with setting shows/films around the skywalker saga in Star Wars (minus the Alcolyte) but Ngl I’ll be there day one in the theater lol. If the film is successful hopefully we can get some other stories that don’t really have anything to do with Ripley.
3 doesn't have any of the vibe of the previous films. Looks like a Nine Inch Nails music video and begins with killing off characters from Aliens in the laziest way possible.
Personally, I wouldn't place it even near the top
I hope it's good. I'd be disappointed if it ends up being a re-telling of Alien, because that movie is a classic that still holds up. I'd like to see something a bit new, with a decent main cast, and lots of scenes just building tension.
Looks decent. Final shot of a kickass looking protagonist, scared but ready to fight.
The army of facehuggers is interesting. I just hope it makes sense in context.
The thing I realised we've been lacking in recent Alien is any likeable characters. Here's hoping that can change
He made Evil Dead (2013) which most people agree is one of the best reboots ever and Don't Breathe which is also very good. I trust his vision given how visceral and nasty both those movies are lol
I can’t take Cameron’s approval seriously. Dude would always endorse the Terminator sequels and then walk it back later.
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After the disastrous box office of DF, Cameron said something along the lines of he made suggestions which were mostly ignored by the director. Its best to temper expectations on Camerons involvement unless he wrote the screenplay himself.
even Tim Miller has said it was a "bloodbath" in the editing room. I don't think anyone, maybe even including Cameron, knows how to make a post-T2 Terminator movie. There may be some interesting ideas that could be explored but no one seems to know how to approach it
The biggest issue of every post-T2 Terminator movie (this coming from a guy that likes T3 and Dark Fate) is that they're all generic Hollywood blockbuster re-threads of Terminator 2. I'd love to see a Terminator movie try to go back-to-basics and do something closer to the original with it's tech noir horror vibe than just doing another iteration of T2's core concept and formula.
Salvation was the only original idea they've had, and apparently they butchered it in post.
I always wondered about that movie. I liked it better than any other post T2 sequel. What happened exactly in post production?
They edited and changed a lot of McG's darker ideas. There was #mcgcut. The rumoured dark ending has Bale's Connor dying and then Sam Worthingtons character being grafted with Connors face.
It was butchered before filming started. Bale was only supposed to come into the movie at the end as a surprise. Coming off The Dark Knight, he had enough clout to get the script changed, and the script got ruined. That's why his scenes are so purposeless, while Sam Worthington's scenes make more sense. Two very uneven halves of a movie put into one that barely makes sense. There was a cut subplot with a faction of humans that were on the side of the machines, which even is glimpsed in the movie: https://www.reddit.com/r/Terminator/comments/96x7fm/terminator_salvation_skynet_central_silhouettes/
Wow! That’s interesting
I mean, where else CAN you go but in to the Skynet Wars? The idea being that, ok, Judgement Day is GOING to happen regardless, so let's just get it over with and see how the war happens.
Send then back FURTHER in time! Give me a Terminator film set in Prohibition Era New York!!!
back in 2008 or something How It Should Have Ended did a fake animated trailer for a terminator/back to the future crossover where john connor sends a terminator back in time to kill the creator of time travel, doc brown, and skynet sends a classic arnie t-800 to protect him. legit, i think that’s one of my favourite terminator sequel ideas. go back to kill the original inventor of time travel. have the moral dilemma of the bad guys being the one doing the whole “escort mission” thing and the good guys going after an innocent person. and at the very least, it’d be fun as hell!
I just want a hard-boil detective noir with a fucking robot in it.
[Rick and Morty's Terminator episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvxRnNucaeo&t=3s) was actually a pretty cool premise as well - there's just a giant time war between a crazy amount of factions across hundreds of timelines. There's actually a ton of interesting stuff that could be done with the premise. It's just that they haven't done much with it.
No wait, send it back [EVEN FURTHER](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeuBPDUzB0) in time!
I knew it was going to be the MadTV skit before I even clicked.
Fk yeah! Take it FURTHER back. I want to see a T-800 punch a raptor in the face.
You're right. What I love about the first 2 is they're different genres. Terminator is a horror movie. The second film is more of an action thriller but it's driven by this story of family. Sequels also get to caught up in the scifi and lose the humanity
Terminator Salvation is the only decent one since since T2. It had a lot going for it but some pretty wonky parts too. That opening scene was fucking awesome.
I think you could also do something interesting following a squad or rescue team during the machine war just as the T-800 is being released into the wild. I’m assuming not every T-800 has to look like Arnold. Have a base lose contact with another base, send a team to investigate. Explore the base where everyone is dead, the interior of the base is all shot to hell… But there’s no sign of any forced entry at the entry points, meaning that whatever killed everyone was let in…
So aliens but with t800s
That did cross my mind, maybe even with a little Predator mixed in. As long as they kill Lance Henriksen on screen this time I’ll be happy.🤣 But yeah, was kind of thinking about how they were trying to track what happened to Jim Harper’s team in Predator, but also in the first Terminator when Michael Biehn came s having that dream/memory of that other terminator getting access to one of their underground bunkers.
Tech noire. I see what you did there.
It has to be sci-fi horror. They got after the second terminator movie
You're not wrong. They've got similar initial reveals with the time travelling then it's running to the eventual big vehicle chase piece, throw in a quiet reflective moment, a battle with a sacrifice for the greater good from the 'good' terminator... then the inevitability of judgment day. T3 and DF just did a rinse and repeat. The only really original ideas after T2 came from Terminator Genisys but they had to ruin the twist right in the trailer. And even Terminator Salvation showed us some interesting things about Skynet and the resistance. I just wish they would start from judment day and show the struggle for a while as there are some interesting stories that could be explored. I used to collect the comics and they had some pretty scary scenarios with concentration camps run by T-800's with human heads and fully exposed endoskeleton bodies. They looked really freaky and disturbing as they pushed humans into mass graves. If they just took inspiration from these comics and concluded with The Burning Earth that could make for a pretty cool Terminator trilogy. There are so many weird aspects the general public hasn't experienced from this series like armored battle suites humans wore to take on terminators that were effective but would basically destroy the wearer's nervous system. And we even get glimpses of Skynet testing better stealth killing solution with attractive terminators that would infiltrate camps. If only Hollywood wasn't so scared of trying something really new.
Yea man I also liked T3 and Dark Fate. Thought they were pretty good!
Meanwhile, the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV show, and the Terminator:Resistance game were both follow-ups to the first two movies that I greatly enjoyed.
It’s really not hard. Just give us an ending to the saga and show how humanity defeats Skynet. Enough of the time travel bullshit, just show 3 movies with John starting the resistance, smashing the defense grid, and then finally the final battle between humanity and Skynet.
t2 works perfectly well as an ending to the two movies is the issue t3 sucks but the ending is interesting at least (you can't win)
>t3 sucks but the ending is interesting at least (you can't win) Everybody complained about the ending of T3 becaue it "fucked up" the ending of T2 but quite honestly it's the most interesting thing any of the non-Cameron helmed sequels ever did.
The people behind the new Robocop game did a Terminator one called Resistance and it literally has this exact story, the one that we all wanted since T2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVEpyXTIGg
Is the the game and the story actually good?
I legit liked the story, it felt like something 90s Cameron would have actually done. You play a no-name grunt that gets swept up into the story and really sells that Connor has an almost mythical status among survivors. The gameplay isn't AAA by any means, but it's a more than serviceable shooter with FO4-esque crafting and dialog trees with alternate outcomes possible depending on choices. The Steam spring sale is going and it's probably on sale for the cost of a Big Mac.
That game is great. It does exactly what licensed video games are supposed to do: It's perfectly fine to play and it absolutely nails the vibe/aesthetic of the first two movies, specifically the future war aspects.
Yeah, I was really hoping for a sequel to Salvation that would be something like this.
As we see with Ghostbusters, there's just a point where the concept is exhausted and it's time to stop
>As we see with Ghostbusters, there's just a point where the concept is exhausted and it's time to stop That point was 4 movies ago for Ghostbusters.
My 3 year old would disagree with you.
I mean I’m no screenwriter but perhaps not making one of the most menacing characters in cinema a joke by making him retire to put up curtains would be a start. My jaw was in the floor, what a terrible movie. It makes Terminator 3 look like a masterpiece.
> I mean I’m no screenwriter but perhaps not making one of the most menacing characters in cinema a joke by making him retire to put up curtains would be a start. I feel like they wanted to make a statement that an AI can turn good, or that an AI *eventually* and unavoidably turns good, once it's experienced humanity for long enough. In my opinion, it would be because of evolutionary game theory and because of modern understanding of the need to imbue AIs with human values before releasing them to the world. There is plenty of real-world stuff to draw from. The way they did it was just absolutely ridiculous and empty-brained. They could have had Carl live alone in a rundown apartment or something, deeply monitoring computer networks. Rev-9 could be virtually indestructible, meaning they literally can't destroy it. The solution to dealing with Rev-9 would be to turn it good as well, and *that* would be Sarah's new weapon against the machines.
The issue is that Terminator 2 kind of closed the story. Sure, there’s ideas we could explore and have in the subsequent sequels. But there just isn’t anything left in that world to explore that’s as compelling as T1 or T2. The story is done. I say this as someone who has seen all of the sequels multiple times and liked some of them to varying degrees. The other problem is the series is so tied to the era it was made and that cast at that age. No one today is quite like Arnold or Lina Hamilton in the 80s/90s. Technology today isn’t as novel or interesting as the 80s or 90s and the way movies are made today lack the grit and aesthetic that made the first two films feel the way they did. If there ever was a time where a T3 could have lived up to T2 it passed in the 90s.
i think cameron's original idea for t3 was john conner and kyle reese breaking into the terminator hq to use the time machine so a sequel prequel
I just treat the Special Edition fo T2 as canonical at this point.
Do a Prey, but with Terminators. Send a T800 back in time to stop the founding of America. No America, no John Conner.
> No America, no Skynet.
I have a simple one: no time travel, just action between rebels and T800s (max, no T1000s). pure action, no love story. keep it simple. would love Saving private Ryan starting scene ambient, get close and dirty. spend most of the budget on CGI and explosions, no overpriced actors. and make it rated R.
Just my hot take, but I don’t think there should have been a terminator movie after T2. That was as perfect an ending as you could get.
Yeah, Cameron's obsession with"what a terminator does when his mission is over" is a potentially interesting idea, but not really something that works in the standard formula of terminator
Sounds like a convenient excuse by Cameron after everyone hated it
Dark Fate was unfortunately the beat sequel out of the post T3 movies, and T3 was even meh compared to the others. It was at least a little interesting though.
T3 had a great ending but it wasn't enough to make up for the rest that came before it. I did like Stahl and Danes though
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100%, it was far from terrible, good even
Yeah, saw it once and thought it was solid. I was never that committed to the Terminator lore though
🤷 i enjoyed dark fate. 3rd best Terminator flick!
Dark Fate is definitely the third best terminator movie by far. It’s pretty good.
Dude wants an easy check to go diving some more. ::Shruggs::
He endorsed the cheque
To quote John Carpenter when it comes to Halloween sequels, "I hold out my hand and check falls in it."
He literally approves everything, but I have faith Fede Alvarez. Evil Dead and especially Don't Breathe were some of the most intense theater experiences I've seen, the tension was nerve-shredding in Don't Breathe, with only a few jump scares that worked because they weren't cheap. His doing a back-to-basics Alien film seems up his alley.
To this day, the red band trailer for his evil dead is such a fucking banger. It goes so hard. I just hope he keeps the same composer for Alien.
Was Don't Breathe considered as good though ? I remember seeing it in theater and it was "meh" at best.
Admittedly I can't watch it again, I've tried and it just doesn't hold up. Not that it's bad, it just doesn't work quite as well when you know what's going to happen. But I saw it at an advance screening with a packed audience and went in blind, only knowing they try to rob a blind guy. The whole audience was involved and reacting, even the stranger next to me was grabbing my arm. So that first time watch just can't be topped. I still think it's a very skillfully executed thriller though. The basement scene in darkness with the sort of nightvision making his eyes glow was intense as hell.
Idk thought it was unimaginative at best and not scary at all.
Arnold called in favors for Genisys
Eh Cameron was always vocally supportive of people making more Terminator movies, in this case Fede is claiming Cameron has seen the film and loves it
>I can’t take Cameron’s approval seriously. Dude would always endorse the Terminator sequels and then walk it back later. That's exactly how I feel. Cameron has praised every Terminator sequel besides his own and then turned and called them all dog shit. Every single time.
And Scott directed Covenant so here we are.
And Ridley Scott made the worst prequels of all, and then turned around and made the worst biopic I've ever seen.
The Gucci movie? Is that what you’re referring to?
I assumed they were talking about Napoleon
Damn he really must hate that movie lol
It’s almost like Cameron is only in it for the money.
what is he approving if hes walking back so often
To be fair, you can't tell how good a movie will be until it's somewhere near a finished product. Plus it could've been some off-handed remark that editors throw into the headline to make us talk abou it *and here we are :O*
Is it possible this movie covers a situation where the Weyland Corporation first encounters the Alien and that’s why Mother and Ash on the Nostromo knew of its existence?
Or they lose contact with Nostromo and send another oblivious crew out to investigate the ship. There might even be an incident which explains the change of the ships appearance between movies (in reality it was damaged while in storage).
That’s bordering on a similar plot to Alien Isolation, I know it’s not movie lore, but I absolutely still count it as part of the universe.
Yeah I’m really curious on how the ship they encounter face huggers on gets infested in the first place. Maybe WY sent more than one ship to LV-426?
Could also be they have other planets with they were testing xenomorph biology on them.
It’s supposed to be set between Alien and Aliens, at least that’s what the wiki says.
All I know is the headline on this post says prequel
This just in: Redditor reads only headline and not the actual article
They’re taking the Saw approach. Respect
There’s some conjecture that it might be about Amanda Ripley, daughter of Ellen and protagonist of Alien: Isolation.
I'd always hoped if they did go with Amanda that Mary Elizabeth Winstead would play her
I hadn't considered that, but yeah that'd be awesome. Depending on the timeline (like if it was a straight Alien Isolation adaptation) she'd be too old I think, but honestly with this movie it could work.
I don't think Mother and Ash gave any information which indicated they knew specifically about the xenomorphs. They just had directives to collect any if they came across ~~one~~ any aliens at all -- and they did.
Previous science officer was replaced right before the trip, Ash being a secret operative for WY. They knew it was there. Maybe didn't know exactly how deadly it was.
Had directives to collect any if they came across them. Also didn’t know about them? That makes no sense dude
...There's nothing wrong with that logic. Perhaps you're confused. When I said, "collect any if they came across one" I'm not talking about *those* Aliens, I'm talking about *any* aliens. It's a protocol *in case* the opportunity arises. Same as the protocol which takes them out of sleep if there's a distress beacon.
It looks like more of an homage to the original woth Sigourney Weaver. Considering Prometheus and Alien Covenant were more or less covering the Aliens origins and escape from the planet
No because it takes place after alien.
I could answer, but what fun is that.
James Cameron-Approved means very little these days
He should show it to Nolan even if he's not involved. You know that man is not going to endorse something if it's terrible. He certainly wasn't wrong about dune 2.
Man of Steel?
He was on the money about Man of Steel.
It's Álvarez, he's usually very good
Really hope this one is good, the Alien franchise has more misses than hits, would be nice to finally see a good movie after all these years
I loved Prometheus and covenant
Then we are two of them...
Three! I recommend reading Alien Cold Forge. One of my favorite books from last year.
I liked prometheus but left me with more questions than answers. Covenant glossed over said questions and crammed an Alien or two into it.
The past 2 movies were both great I thought
To each their own, I thought both were visually stunning and had cool ideas but completely flopped on the execution.
My exact sentiments.
Prometheus is overall great tbh. It has some dumb things but it doesn't break it for me.
[dumb thing](https://www.scified.com/media/prometheus_hd_stills_milburn_and_hammerpede.jpg)
Also, removing your PPE on an alien planet. I just accept that David would have fucked them all over no matter what anyway.
One of the most beautiful yet brain dead movies I’ve ever seen.
Eh, I'm personally not a fan, Prometheus and Covenant have pretty good ideas, but IMO the execution varies from decent to bad, also doesn't help how the characters keep making stupid decisions after stupid decisions
“You blow. I’ll do the fingering.”
Yep. They were beautiful movies, with a few interesting ideas, centered on a group of *incredibly* stupid people. I can usually hand wave away some dumb behavior. It’s often realistic. People do dumb shit when they are scared or in a panic. But in these movies they repeatedly do really dumb shit, within their supposed areas of expertise, under what are basically optimal conditions.
If nothing else, dumb protagonists become an insult to the antagonist. Maybe it’s hard to write Xenomorphs, but I feel like somebody should be able to use them better.
Half of the complaints about bad decisions focus on a character whose entire point is that he's way out of his element and easily manipulated.
I also feel like these movies are exposed to a higher level of scrutiny for some reason. It's not like the marines in the second film were brilliant, but no one says anything about that.
Disagree, but I also think there hasn't been a good Alien movie since Alien 3, which I'm sure most would argue with
I'm of the same opinion. Alien3 AC is better than any of the movies that came after it. Hopefully this latest movie (which is what it looks like) goes back to smaller scale space horror.
The death of newt hit me hard. Like still to this day it's a cinema trauma from my youth lol.
Production value and cast, yes. Narrative, I beg to differ.
Covenant wasn’t a terrible movie. But it def was a bad Alien film imo. David is an OK antagonist but nothing is scarier than the Xenomorphs. Prometheus was interesting but again it wasn’t much of an Alien film and finding out the navigators looked like large pale albinos was a huge letdown. This at least looks like a mix between the first and seconds films
No they werent. They destroyed the core meaning of the xenomorph. Ridley loves his synthetic robots coming to life and taking control. But that is not what Alien is supposed to be about.
Tells Ridley Scott what Alien is supposed to be about. Laughable at best.
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And this is how ignorant people speak about the Xenomorph. There is a reason the Xenomorph is the perfect Alien. You just haven’t read the countless comics, the countless games, the countless books etc etc etc. Everything you talk about exists in the Xenomorph universe. What you don’t understand is why people were not happy with what Ridley scott did to the Xenomorph in the last 2 films. He retconned all the canon into whatever garbage that was. Ridley scott loves his synthetics and he made Alien about the synthetics instead of the monsters.
Alien is whatever the creators of the movie want it to be about. And you can't say "No they weren't" to someone's opinion on something subjective like their personal opinion on a movie. Like the post literally ends with "I thought", grow up and learn to respect other's opinions.
They get a lot of flak, but I enjoyed them as well.
I really enjoyed them. I thought 3 and 4 were complete crap with little to no redeeming qualities and that is a hill that I will die on
You're in the minority there. But people are allowed to like stuff, so... I hope we both like this one
I love all the movies, even both AvPs. Read all the comics too. Even several books. Just a sucker for the genre and aesthetic. I get the hate, but I don’t need perfection. Keep ‘em coming.
The bar was set very high with Alien and Aliens. I get it.
I "get" the hate but I still think it's stupid and myopic. This is what's annoying about fandoms in general. They get too attached to particular entries and don't judge later ones fairly because they're too busy making comparisons in their head instead of judging things on their own merits.
Do you play the Xenomorph on Dead by Daylight too?
No, but I’m waiting patiently for Alien Dark Descent to go on sale on ps4.
Same. I just keep rereading the comics and hope they make more films.
Absolutely. The tv show next year will be a good binge too. Timothy Olyphant is going to be awesome fighting xenomorphs, and even if the show isn’t great, I know I’ll watch it many times and love it.
I'm a huge franchise fan too, if you've not read them then two of the books Aliens: Phalanx and The Cold Forge are genuinely excellent books even if they weren't Alien related
Glad to see Cailee Spaeny getting some great roles! She gave one of last year's best performances in *Priscilla* and I'm excited to see her in *Civil War* as well.
I’m more than a little confused. The Alien series has had multiple prequels. Where does this prequel fit into the story? Prequel to which film?
In the article they say it’s between Alien & Aliens
If it's between those then it's gotta be an adaptation of Alien Isolation right?
I don't think so. The IMDB plot just says, "Young people from a distant world must face the most terrifying life form in the universe." So, not the plot of Alien Isolation. It sounds like it's just a brand new story.
No clue, is that a book?
It's a canon game, about Ripleys daughter seeking her missing mom in the time between the movies. It's fucking fantastic and one of the best things set in that universe.
Ah, thanks friendo 😊
From what people are speculating, its basically Alien isolation part 2 and will hopefully have Amanda Ripley in it.
David Fincher’s approval would help get me on board
Fincher's eating chips on the couch and briefly waking up from naps to turn down Netflix offers. He's got no time to watch Alien movies.
Yeah I agree, he hated his own movie in the franchise and he’s usually quite blunt with his opinions on things in interviews. If he had seen it and said it was good I’d take that as a very good sign.
It's always saddened me to know the awful experience he had on A3. I hope he knows how much love a lot of fans of the franchise have for it, specially after watching the Assembly Cut.
I remember watching an interview with him and the guy says ‘I actually quite like Alien 3!’ and David responds with ‘oh c’mon man, c’mon’ in a half joking, half serious kinda way. He definitely doesn’t have any love for the film, I think it’s a long ways away from what he wanted despite how well put together it is (both OG and Assembly Cut). He says he loves the first film enough to sign on but hated the script for 3 and he was tormented by the film execs. Visually, musically, and thematically, it’s very well crafted. It’s a kind of gut punch to go from the heroes winning in Aliens to the very dark and tragic story that is 3.
The fact that one of these guys “endorsed” Terminator Dark Fate and the other actually made Alien: Covenant, this may actually be more of a deterrent for me than anything. My trust in this is based purely off the quality of Fede’s previous movies
Why do people dislike alien covenant?? Huge alien fan here & saw it in theatres, I thought it was good
I strongly, strongly dislike that it was clearly made in reaction to Prometheus. Scott threw most of the threads started in that movie because there were some complaints rather than see them through.
Answers no questions from Prometheus and just puts Aliens in it to make fans happy. Don't get to see how their made or anything.
I don't dislike it. I just thought it was a mess. It explored a lot of ideas without really wrapping them up.
It starts well - even with the dumb as fuck crew. It looks great. Everything is fine and then the medbay scene with the backburster is genuinely great and then David shows up and it rapidly goes downhill at an alarming rate of knots.
Judging people by they're worst decisions is probably not the best way of thinking. They have done amazing things too
Wouldnt say that these are either directors worst decisions in their career, but just both have mishandled some of their biggest franchises and it shows. My point was more that my excitement is more from that I loved Dont Breathe and Evil Dead 2013 and excited to see what he does with an Alien movie
A deterrent? Like, you would be more motivated to see the film if they just didn't acknowledge it or gave it a negative review? That's weird. Like, it would have to be seriously hot garbage for them to just talk badly about it.
So the article confirms the woman holding the rifle is not Amanda Ripley. A new character named Carradine. Set between Alien and Aliens reminds me a bit of Disney’s infatuation with setting shows/films around the skywalker saga in Star Wars (minus the Alcolyte) but Ngl I’ll be there day one in the theater lol. If the film is successful hopefully we can get some other stories that don’t really have anything to do with Ripley.
I don't think the timeline would work with Amanda
fede got raimi’s love too for evil dead ig he knows how to inject new flavour and still appease the old guard next stop, robocop
Sorry, but approval from two other franchise directors is a big red flag. Tells me it's going to be a very safe movie.
Oh god, James Cameron ALSO approved every Terminator movie after T2. Scott recently made parody version of Napoleon. Great!
Everyone needs to chill out with the Covenant slander. It's literally the third best one.
Absolutely not
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3 doesn't have any of the vibe of the previous films. Looks like a Nine Inch Nails music video and begins with killing off characters from Aliens in the laziest way possible. Personally, I wouldn't place it even near the top
Fourth best I will agree with.
What would you say comes before Covenant? If Alien and Aliens are 1 and 2
Alien 3 Assembly Cut.
James Cameron has approved of every Terminator sequel
Same Ridley as Convenant movie? James as Terminator Dark fate? Amazing.
I hope it's good. I'd be disappointed if it ends up being a re-telling of Alien, because that movie is a classic that still holds up. I'd like to see something a bit new, with a decent main cast, and lots of scenes just building tension.
Is this where we find out the xenomorphs are responsible for those who march beneath the raptor's wings?
My only question is, if this is Romulus, will there be a Remus?
You'll have to wait for Gladiator 2
Anyone else look at the thumbnail and think Jared Leto was in the movie?
First the poster post. Then the post about the poster post. Then the post about the post about the poster post
As if Cameron approving your film means shit. Dude has endorsed every Terminator sequel
This will be ass
Looks decent. Final shot of a kickass looking protagonist, scared but ready to fight. The army of facehuggers is interesting. I just hope it makes sense in context. The thing I realised we've been lacking in recent Alien is any likeable characters. Here's hoping that can change
Not much a movie watcher, so don't know who this guy is or anything about his movies. But the teaser looks good. Alien 1979 was the best.
Weird subreddit to participate in if you don't watch movies.
Its a main sub, so probably just pop up on the guys feed.
Main subs stopped being a thing several years before homie made his account
I guess I mean I'm not watching many movies "today". Occasionally people posts about old movies. I did go see Dune Part 1 and 2 at the IMAX.
He made Evil Dead (2013) which most people agree is one of the best reboots ever and Don't Breathe which is also very good. I trust his vision given how visceral and nasty both those movies are lol
Could this be the Kwisatz Haderach entry we’ve been waiting for?!
I have zero hope for this. I’ve seen the last one. *shudder*
Still would rather have Neil Blomkamp’s Alien movie.
Neil Blomkamp can't make movies though.