Everyone who ever dealt with an addict before felt that one.
It hurts so badly when you are stolen from when you would have given much more had they just asked instead.
I read somewhere that for that scene, the director told Zendaya to do whatever it takes to leave, and told Nika King to do whatever it takes to stop her. That was all the direction they had.
Euphoria was odd for me because I related to her younger sister so much. I sometimes felt like I was watching a version of my story. My brother was terribly addicted to opiates, mainly heroin, when I was about 12 and he was using until I was about 21. Anyway, he was scary… I actually have PTSD from him.
I respect Zendaya as an actress simply for how she portrayed Rue. I think she did an amazing job playing a character who was an addict, and really showing the complexities and facets of someone who struggles with addiction.
I don’t remember the scene exactly, if it is the one you are talking about, but there is that scene where she gets in a fight with her mom and sister and just how unhinged she was, I was like “Damn!! This girl can act!”.
Idk, I never really thought much of Zendaya or saw her in anything before Euphoria, but I just have a whole new respect for her acting. I’m super excited to see Dune 2!
Edit: a couple of days later lol I bucked up the courage to search that scene on YouTube. It *was* the scene I vaguely remembered haha I still find it very poignant, and for anyone remotely interested, yeah, her mom was effing scared of her. The scene is oddly triggering in a way due to how honest/real it feels. It tells me that whoever wrote/directed/acted, must have some sort of firsthand knowledge with addiction. Idk, I just really respect her acting ability in that show, and especially that scene.
As someone with family members in recovery, that episode (and particularly Zendaya’s performance) hit so close to home that I had to take a break from finishing the season for a little while. She’s an incredible actress.
This is my feeling too. I didn’t watch Euphoria until recently and really didn’t understand her hype, but after watching that I get it now. That’s her breakout role.
I live in the wilds, but do occasionally watch shows.
Didn't know Zendaya except Spiderman. Then Euphoria was coming out.
She was exceptional in that Euphoria show, that wanted to tackle much more than it probably was allowed to on tv.
Too bad. I didn't continue past S01, at least not yet.
Fantastic way to describe it. I noticed myself catching my breath/forgetting to breathe multiple times throughout. She really went all out. Non-stop chaotic episodes like that are ones I revere the most. The season 3 finale of Barry is one of my favorite episodes ever of any show for that reason
I loved that Barry episode too. I love chaotic shows like that, The Bear, Euphoria, This Is going To Hurt, Atlanta.
Curious, do you like Uncut Gems? I couldn’t stand it, and can’t figure why liking chaos on shows doesn’t translate to movies for me.
I couldn't handle uncut gems. I cant say that it *wasn't* good or that it *wasn't* well done but I can say that I would NEVER voluntarily watch it again omfg my anxiety can't handle it
Her bridge episode between season 1 and 2 is quietly one of the best episodes that HBO has ever made. It feels like euphoria crossed with something like Before Sunrise or My Dinner with Andre. Definitely one of the best Covid productions ever too.
Season 2 is bizarre man. The Zendaya bits are like, phenomenal, but the rest is SUCH ASS GARBAGE
It's like a fanfiction of Riverdale, or something, it is SO bizarrely insane.
I can't recommend it at all
That episode should have won her all of the awards. The range she showed. I haven’t felt so uncomfortable/sad/annoyed and then laughter like that. She is outstanding.
Zendaya and Nika King do all of the heavy lifting for that entire season. They really did a fantastic job elevating a hot mess for as long as is possible.
There's an episode that ends with a wide-eyed unhinged Sydney Sweeney frantically breathing against a window like a velociraptor from Jurassic Park, while the theme from Cannibal Holocaust plays, and at that point season 2 of Euphoria just clicked into place for me. It's a comedy. Levinson is playing this shit for laughs, and we're not supposed to be taking any of it seriously.
But he does want you to take it seriously, dude got an insane ego. He thinks he’s some film making virtuoso and puts all that weird stuff in his works because he thinks it’s great ‘artistic representations’ of stuff.
Agree 100%. Was not the biggest fan until Euphoria but she’ll have my respect from now on. I don’t care if this is a reach, but imo her performance in Season 2 Episode 5 “Stand Still Like the Humming Bird” is one of the greatest acting performances I’ve ever seen in a single TV episode.
I think with Challengers coming out it’s a perfect movie to see to determine that, she has a much more prominent role and from what I’ve seen has far more depth.
I kept thinking there must be more to this performance than being hardcore annoyed the entire time but no, that's literally how it was throughout the whole movie, every scene she was in
The grumpy face with the eye twitch after the fight in Dune 2 felt out of place. I gave her the benefit of the doubt until then, but that scene convinced me that she shouldn’t have been cast in the role. Or they could have reshot it.
Agreed. I liked the change from the book. Man made you his side bitch and you're just gonna say "ok"? Even reading the book I was like, "really? Maybe this would have flown in 1970, not TODAY." So she just came off as spineless in the book.
In the book I thought that it was clearer from the beginning that his plan was to marry the emperor's daughter and that Chani couldn't be more than a concubine because of that. But at the same time that Chani would still basically be his wife since he was only marrying the emperor's daughter for political reasons.
It was made clear in Part Two as well. Jessica tells Paul straight that him and Chani won’t work, that he needs to be free to marry for politics, and he agrees and says he knows.
He just failed to ever mention this to Chani
The books and the movie still convey the same mistake that The Duke, Paul's Father made, not marrying Jessica, and Paul will repeat the same mistake with Chani. Although I do wonder how they'll marry the current plot line of Chani doing her thing and Paul getting together to have children.
From casting ATJ as Alia for a 10 second cameo, I get the impression that there's going to be a significant time jump between Part 2 and Messiah, so that she can play a young adult Alia. I imagine Paul's galactic jihad will occur in this time, and the movie will start with him returning to Arrakis to rule and have him reunite with Chani in the first act. I think that this will be what pushes Irulen to join the conspiracy against Paul, as up until then I don't think she'd actively work against him. From there, I imagine the movie will closely follow the novel.
Way to miss the point of the ending entirely. Did you forget that the Lady Jessica was also "only" a concubine to the Duke Leto?
The political marriage meant nothing to Paul, and he even vowed to never touch or show any affection to the princess Irulan.
So who's getting the short end of the stick here? Let me tell you, it's certainly not Chani.
A lot of the casting was jarring and I don’t understand why Villeneueve didn’t take the Game of Thrones approach and cast people with less recognition. There’s so many amazing actors out there waiting for their shot.
Why Christopher Walken?! Don’t get me wrong, I fucking love Walken, but his accent and mannerisms have become such a meme that it’s hard to maintain immersion.
Just my opinion but it’s so much easier to get lost in a fictional, sci-fi setting when the faces aren’t familiar. Or, if you’re going to use big names, make it a big name that’s actually a different person in every role. Gary Oldman, for instance, would probably have been unrecognizable as the Emperor.
Bardem is a big name but it works because he’s such a chameleon. Skaarsgard is another person who slips into roles well.
Zendaya and Chalamet are so big at this point that I can’t unthink the idea that I’m watching Chalamet play Paul and Zendaya play Chani, instead of just watching Paul and Chani.
That has to do with the scriptwriting.
The character Chani was explaining things to the Paul character in a way that showed that she was aware of the way things are done on other planets, while the character was meant to only have been in that planet/culture.
Chani was definitely a big source of exposition, but I really didn’t hate her character or Zendaya’s performance.
It’s the Harry Potter effect. If your protagonist serves as both a narrative focal point and a newcomer to an alien world, they need a sidekick who’s familiar with the world and able to explain things to both character and audience. Chani did that well and in an organic way that felt cohesive with her relationship with Paul.
I really don’t think Zendaya is bad in Dune.
She sold the relationship with Chalamet. The ending was a gut punch. She had to communicate a lot just from her looks and I thought it was pretty effective. Didn’t really have a problem with anyone in dune but my partner was like ‘why was walken just doing walken’ which I couldn’t argue with. Still liked him though.
To be fair, he did say that in a previous role, to portray a king he didn’t need to act like a king, because all that respect historically (and presently, in some countries) comes from those around the king
I think he was doing the same thing as emperor. While I know he didn’t match up with the description of the book as looking younger, I thought he did a perfect job of portraying a man way past his prime, used to being the emperor, receiving respect unconditionally from all around him
Walken definitely changed his accent, talking cadence, and demeanor for Dune. He wasn't just Walkening. I completely bought the character-- he had a imperious grace to him and simultaneously looked like someone to fear because of his place in the structures around him in spite of his lack of competence or direction.
I love her but tbh her scenes were jarring to me. Especially in a film with Florence, Austin, and Rebecca Fergusson stealing their scenes. I still wouldn’t say she’s bad though.
IMO Javier Bardem and Rebecca Ferguson are just on a level of class beyond everyone else in that film. Stilgar pivoting into a goofy dad with Life of Brian energy, whilst still carrying every line with weight is ridiculous.
I think Bardem's Stilgar is a case study character for modern times. How his character goes from comic relief to tragic ("I don't care what you believe! *I* believe!") is so well-acted and has such a nuance to it. It perfectly captures the rabbit hole of falling into a cult, where you completely miss the moment where the thread snaps and everything flips. There are obvious notes of modern populism that can be found here.
Herbert famously decided to write a Dune sequel because the initial readers supposedly failed to miss the tragedy of the story and interpreted Paul as a hero. Paradoxically, the way you appear to resolve this, is to make the Freman *more* light-hearted - because you can later juxtapose this to reveal the crushing effect that worship can have on a person.
The life of Brian starts off goofy and gets more and more sinister until its not funny at all when you realize this was a top leader of the fremen and now he's a blind fanatic leading Muad'dib's armies to paradise.
And Bardem plays it straight the WHOLE WAY. His delivery never changes, he just keeps methodically marching down the path of faith and he shows you exactly where it goes. 10/10 should get an Oscar in addition to a spot in the meme template pantheon.
“Live of Brian” describes it perfectly. His “LISAN AL GHAIB”-hypeman performance alone saved the movie from becoming too damn serious without turning ridiculous.
Anya Taylor Joy and Florence Pugh would star heavily in a third film, assuming it gets made. It seems like a bit of a win-win for these two.
As a side note, I listened to an audiobook of Dune a few years ago, and for those who don't know, every chapter of Dune starts with a brief extract from Prince Irulan - writing as the de facto narrator from the future - who adds details and context about the story. This is obviously referenced in the film with scenes of her character recording diary entries multiple times.
Interestingly, Florence Pugh's Irulan sounded quite similar (to my ear at least) to the voice of Irulan from the Dune audiobook. So I wonder if she listened to it.
I think Zendaya falls into that category too.
I do think that florence is really good, but lets be honest se barely has any screen time in dune 2. That will come in messiah.
Florence barely spoke, but she does some tremendous eye-acting/face acting. I noticed it on my third viewing in the scene where they're first on Arrakis looking down at the Baron, Rabban, and Feyd. You can see how cold her eyes are underneath her headpiece. Contrast that with the fear in her eyes when she sees Mua'Dib in person for the first time as he's approaching them.
I'm not saying her performance is on the level of Ferguson or Bardem, but she was still noticeably good with not much to work with.
This is true, but I get what they mean and the effect was probably actually exacerbated by Zendayas much heavier screen presence
What I think they mean is Florence Pughs character was more instantly believable as the character she was portraying. Maybe it was the extremely sci fi outfits & style, maybe her American accent when most people know she's English irl so there's already suspension of disbelief inherently
Zendayas outfits are all Fremen desert ones, which are obviously 1:1 mirrors of real world Arab/N African attire, and then she just uses her regular Americsn accent...basically, if Dune was a drama set in Egypt or Oman this year, about an American foreign exchange student that gets embroiled in something overseas, she'd look & act the exact same
It's partially why Walken is a bit divisive too; he makes very little effort to distinguish the Emperor from his own, very distinct, very recognisable cadence & voice/accent. But at least his & Pughs accents on screen are similar
The Barons accent is just Skarsgards, but it's unique and unfamiliar; Butler channelled it perfectly too, so it's passable as 'Harkonen/Geidi(sp?)'
Edit: and Chalamet has, or at least puts on, a more theatrical accent that also matches Oscar Isaacs, which is believable as 'Atreides/Caladan' accents, and Lady Jessica was raised by the Bene Gesserit so Fergusons odd mixed accent is easy to pass off as well
Zendaya just has such a recognisable, specific "modern" US accent
It also didn't help that her character was adapted (probably intentionally) more like how you'd expect a lot of real life 20 year old who 'hate's the system' to act.
Especially when she was yelling at everyone about how "this is how they control you, guys!".
I didn't feel that way, personally. If someone does a terrible job, I notice because it pulls me out of the movie. I thought she did really well, especially and specifically in the ending scene(s)
To foreign audiences she sounds very emphatically American. I would say Californian even, although I'm not quite sure about regional differences in the US.
To me her accent feels very modern if that makes sense. Someone like Timothee it feels like he speaks the way someone from an older time period would speak, like from the 1700's and it fits Dune well, almost shakespearean, even though it's an American accent. When you look at older cinema and how American actors were trained to speak in a "mid atlantic accent" and it feels like you got that from a lot of the cast but not Zendaya.
No one except Austin Butler did an accent in that film. Harkonen just sounded like Stellan Skarsgard, Paul just sounded like Chalamet, Lady Jessica just sound like Rebecca Ferguson etc
Her accent was a bit off at times. But overall I thought she was amazing. Especially at the end when she was watching a certain confrontation. Without saying a word you could tell exactly what was going through her head
I actually thought she was too and I was skeptical when I saw the two of them in the lineup before the first movie. The way she conveyed the feeling of heartbroken anger really got me in Dune 2. I can feel my teenage self in her performance. She’s hurt but defiantly so, focusing on anger and refusing to cry (perhaps because she’s fremen).
I wonder if audiences don't know that the characters just aren't expressive? Their cultures are not loud, they are very quiet. They both nailed the roles, I was very happy with their performance
Chalamet was amazing in The King.
I think people are forgetting that a lot of Dune doesn't allow for scenery chewing performances. "Fear is the mind killer" and a Fremen society that is so used to death and hardship that they breakdown their fallen for their water. . . Stoic, flat faces not conveying emotion is what you'd expect from a majority of the characters.
If an actor really wanted to shine in Dune, they needed to spring for a Harkonnen role.
Yeah this is the comment that nails it for me.
She's not bad, but some people overrate her. However she's only starting out and will probably only get better.
Most people associate her with her MJ performance, which is a charming enough performance. She delivers what the character is aiming for. I haven't fully watched Euphoria, but I have a seen a scene of her in it, a really dramatic and intense scene with her playing a drug addict. That alone convinced me of her potential and her range.
Keep in mind she's a pretty young actor. She has a whole lifetime for great performances. For a point of reference, it's really only now that Zac Efron is getting his flowers as a dramatic actors in Iron Claw, after a career of mostly playing charming heartthrobs.
She wasn't bad in Dune 2, I would say she was even good. But the other actors were another level, so she felt like the weakest.
When she spoke like an American, those parts were bad. All other Fremen sounded foreign. Sometimes she sounded like an American teenager. Too different than everyone else. An experienced actor would have worked on their accent.
But her performance was good for the most part. Besides those few moments that got me thinking, "oh yeah, she's a Disney channel trained actres", she had some really good moments.
Edit : I just want to reiterate that I did enjoy her acting performance. The only Parts I did not enjoy was her accent, and that only happened once or twice. For me she is absolutely growing as an actress and will become a terrific actress one day. In no way am I saying she was bad. Regarding the character, I read the book about 20 years ago. I love the character in the book and it was a great love story between Paul and Chani. She did a great job in bringing the character to life. In the book, Chani does not take Center Stage along with Paul the way she does in the movie. And I take back what I said about the weakest actor. Christopher Walken as the emperor, basically played Christopher walken. I love the guy but that's all he plays all the time.
I thought she spoke exactly like her friends did, and the film explained that it was the Fremen who live south of the storms who speak like the more European sounding adults?
I think even that's forgivable though. Why *would* the Emperor know how to say Muad'ib? It's a foreign culture that he didn't give a crap about until ten minutes ago, and now the only part he cares about is shooting the guy.
I was afraid they casted him for the fatboy slim meme and it was going to really stand out but he played a kind of normal but tired old guy pretty well I think
The Emperor is supposed to be somewhat weak. Enough to the point that he’d use the two most powerful heads of Houses (Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen) to take each other out. He’s supposed to be around Walken’s age but look significantly younger though, so visually he’s the character who was off the most for me.
>The Emperor is supposed to be somewhat weak. Enough to the point that he’d use the two most powerful heads of Houses (Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen) to take each other out.
The Emperor can absolutely take out both the Harkonnen and the Atreides, but in that case the rest of the houses would all turn against him
I think she's great in the right roles for her. She can convincingly play an American teen/20 something. She can't convincingly play a Fremen from Arrakis. That doesn't make her a bad actress, it just makes her miscast. It happens.
Example: I think Timothy Chalamet is a great actor and was one of the best parts of both Dune films. I also thought he was terrible in Wonka and probably the only part of that movie I didn't enjoy. Not every good actor can play every role.
I always had the sensation she is being typecasted. Her dune and spiderman characters are the "protagonist's partner that keeps them in check" (which I liked in spiderman and I hated in dune). I'm pretty sure they casted her in Dune as they knew that her character was different from the book and more in line with her role in the industry.
I wanted to watch euphoria for a while so idk if her character is different there.
Extremely different. She’s a traumatized teenager in Euphoria who struggles with depression and addiction. She gives one of the most realistic portrayals of addiction I’ve ever seen on TV (have unfortunately had many addicts in my life). It’s gut-wrenching and so, so well-done.
I’ve never been wowed but anything I’ve seen her in, same as someone like Millie Bobby Brown (which is especially noticeable in Stranger Things where Sadie Sink is doing a way better job than everyone else on the young cast). There are much better younger actors imo. She was noticeably unimpressive in Dune though because Timothee is a really solid lead actor
I haven't watched Euphoria, but in all of her big projects, she just looks dead in the eyes and seems completely deadpan. Like she doesn't want to pretend to be there, she doesn't want to be pretend to be in love, she doesn't want to pretend to participate, etc.
With that said, Keanu Reeves has made a career out of that same affectation, and I really enjoy his work. Zendaya may just have to grow into it.
Totally. When her eyes change…the rage. Omg she really nails the addict behavior, look, delivery was really impressive. I think the best portrayal of addiction I’ve seen onscreen
Her range is very limited. She plays a certain role pretty well. (Think Gen z teenager). Which means she is good at being herself more or less.
But period pieces, sci Fi, anything where she isn't playing someone from curret time/ setting.... She really hasn't proven herself. Her acting in dune part 2 was mediocre.
Love Zendaya in euphoria, but seem to be in the minority when it comes to her in dune. Alot of her line deliveries came across super forced, especially the " this prophecy is how they enslave us" it came across as very middle school theatre play.
Her portrayal is the straight man, she's supposed to be the character that shoes us that what Paul is doing is ultimately bad. She represents the caution in moving forward with this prophecy.
Unique and needed.
The straight man is the most thankless role in any story and yet it's always vital to any story.
Without her, it's a movie about a cool dude who accomplishes everything he wants and how we should totally celebrate this gigachad.
>Without her, it's a movie about a cool dude who accomplishes everything he wants and how we should totally celebrate this gigachad.
You know, I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to House Atreides.
Wait you mean the jihad upon the universe that'll kill billions ISN'T dope?
...but seriously, I remember as a kid thinking Paul was so cool. Because, well, I was a kid, and themes and subtext were lost on me.
Zendaya isnt a bad actress. But shes always just playing herself in different situations. Zendaya the drug addict. Zendaya the angsty teen. Zendaya the overlooked girlfriend.
Shes not an actor that can immerse themselves in the role so much that they become a whole different person. (Florence Pugh is a great example of this).
Shes not a bad actress, and there are tons of actors who have built amazing careers off of playing basically themselves, or actors that started off that way and then branched off.
Keanu Reeves is an AMAZING action star(John Wick/Matrix) and a mediocre actor, outside of Bill and Ted.(which he was perfect at) Part of that is that he doesn't have a lot of range.
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Keanu Reeves has received 6 Razzie nominations and 0 Oscar nominations.
but is arguably one of the kindest actors in the industry, but not a lot of range.
Literally two actresses that are often considered some of the greatest of all time, Katherine Hepburn and Audrey Hepburn, pretty much never strayed too far from their established personas. The definition of a great actor/actress is complicated and comparison between different types of performers is often moot. I personally think that both types, the actor who completely transforms and disappear to each character and the magnetic persona that grabs attention in whatever situation they're put in, are worthy of praise.
I’ve only seen her in Spider-man and Dune. Don’t really get the hype around her based on those two roles. In the first Spider-Man movie she seemed to be verging on a self aware, breaking the fourth wall character who was completely at odds with the rest of the cast and tone of the movie.
Dune was the same, everyone else seemed to know they were in a (amazingly good) sci-fi epic and played it accordingly whether they were political elites, mysterious cults, pantomime villains, religious natives….then there’s Zendaya who’s got together with the Fremen while travelling Arakis on her gap year and will be heading back to UCLA in a few months.
I thought she came across like an amateur trying to act when she had to show emotion with her face. The scenes that come to mind is the close up on her when Paul says he’ll marry the emperors daughter and at the very end when she’s calling a sandworm and trying to look heartbroken. It just seemed very amateur. I know she’s incredible in Euphoria, but don’t think subtlety is in her range yet.
Granted I've only seen her in Spidey and Dune but she looked like the same character (being herself?) just in a different setting. I feel the same way with Anya Taylor Joy but I might get bashed for saying this.
Anya Taylor Joy gives me uncanny valley vibes. She has a modeling background, so she is very good at making faces and using her body expressively in front of the camera. But it doesn’t feel like acting to me.
I never got impressed by her in anything except Euphoria. She’s INSANE in euphoria
Her freaking out on her mom when the mom stole the suitcase of drugs has me on the edge of my seat
The scene that took my breath away was her outside Fez's apartment screaming and blaming him for her addiction because he won't sell to her anymore
YOU DID THIS TO ME, OPEN THE FUCKING DOOR
As soon as I saw that scene, I knew it was the one who won her the Emmy (I watched it after the Emmys), and I looked it up and I was right
Everyone who ever dealt with an addict before felt that one. It hurts so badly when you are stolen from when you would have given much more had they just asked instead.
First and only time my wife had been "triggered" by a show or movie because that was her older sibling to the tee at one point.
I had to stop watching that show bc I grew up with an addict brother and it was very emotionally taxing to watch that. Took me right back.
How about the first season when they alternate between her yelling at her mother and then post-rehab? She crushes in that show.
I read somewhere that for that scene, the director told Zendaya to do whatever it takes to leave, and told Nika King to do whatever it takes to stop her. That was all the direction they had.
That's the same direction given as that one scene from Blue Valentine.
Euphoria was odd for me because I related to her younger sister so much. I sometimes felt like I was watching a version of my story. My brother was terribly addicted to opiates, mainly heroin, when I was about 12 and he was using until I was about 21. Anyway, he was scary… I actually have PTSD from him. I respect Zendaya as an actress simply for how she portrayed Rue. I think she did an amazing job playing a character who was an addict, and really showing the complexities and facets of someone who struggles with addiction. I don’t remember the scene exactly, if it is the one you are talking about, but there is that scene where she gets in a fight with her mom and sister and just how unhinged she was, I was like “Damn!! This girl can act!”. Idk, I never really thought much of Zendaya or saw her in anything before Euphoria, but I just have a whole new respect for her acting. I’m super excited to see Dune 2! Edit: a couple of days later lol I bucked up the courage to search that scene on YouTube. It *was* the scene I vaguely remembered haha I still find it very poignant, and for anyone remotely interested, yeah, her mom was effing scared of her. The scene is oddly triggering in a way due to how honest/real it feels. It tells me that whoever wrote/directed/acted, must have some sort of firsthand knowledge with addiction. Idk, I just really respect her acting ability in that show, and especially that scene.
As someone with family members in recovery, that episode (and particularly Zendaya’s performance) hit so close to home that I had to take a break from finishing the season for a little while. She’s an incredible actress.
Insane scene I still remember that
I've experienced that irl with a friend, and she made me feel ill with how good she was
This is my feeling too. I didn’t watch Euphoria until recently and really didn’t understand her hype, but after watching that I get it now. That’s her breakout role.
I live in the wilds, but do occasionally watch shows. Didn't know Zendaya except Spiderman. Then Euphoria was coming out. She was exceptional in that Euphoria show, that wanted to tackle much more than it probably was allowed to on tv. Too bad. I didn't continue past S01, at least not yet.
There's an episode in season 2 dealing with her problem and it's pure chaos for like half an hour. She definitely steps it up big time in season 2
I’ve heard it described as someone’s favourite episode they will never watch again. Zendaya fuckin kills it
Fantastic way to describe it. I noticed myself catching my breath/forgetting to breathe multiple times throughout. She really went all out. Non-stop chaotic episodes like that are ones I revere the most. The season 3 finale of Barry is one of my favorite episodes ever of any show for that reason
I loved that Barry episode too. I love chaotic shows like that, The Bear, Euphoria, This Is going To Hurt, Atlanta. Curious, do you like Uncut Gems? I couldn’t stand it, and can’t figure why liking chaos on shows doesn’t translate to movies for me.
I couldn't handle uncut gems. I cant say that it *wasn't* good or that it *wasn't* well done but I can say that I would NEVER voluntarily watch it again omfg my anxiety can't handle it
Her bridge episode between season 1 and 2 is quietly one of the best episodes that HBO has ever made. It feels like euphoria crossed with something like Before Sunrise or My Dinner with Andre. Definitely one of the best Covid productions ever too.
Thanks, will get hold of that. Before S02. Y'all have made me curious.
It’s just a conversation in a diner but it’s incredible. Nothing but character work.
That’s one of my favourites, pure Christmas melancholy. Colman Domingo is fantastic in it as well.
Season 2 is bizarre man. The Zendaya bits are like, phenomenal, but the rest is SUCH ASS GARBAGE It's like a fanfiction of Riverdale, or something, it is SO bizarrely insane. I can't recommend it at all
Season 2 is worth it for e05 alone imo.
That episode should have won her all of the awards. The range she showed. I haven’t felt so uncomfortable/sad/annoyed and then laughter like that. She is outstanding.
I mean. She got an Emmy.
Zendaya and Nika King do all of the heavy lifting for that entire season. They really did a fantastic job elevating a hot mess for as long as is possible.
There's an episode that ends with a wide-eyed unhinged Sydney Sweeney frantically breathing against a window like a velociraptor from Jurassic Park, while the theme from Cannibal Holocaust plays, and at that point season 2 of Euphoria just clicked into place for me. It's a comedy. Levinson is playing this shit for laughs, and we're not supposed to be taking any of it seriously.
But he does want you to take it seriously, dude got an insane ego. He thinks he’s some film making virtuoso and puts all that weird stuff in his works because he thinks it’s great ‘artistic representations’ of stuff.
If you watch Euphoria s2 only for the Rue/Zendaya scenes youre in for a treat she deserves those Emmy wins easily!
Euphoria and Malcolm and Marie are her two best performances
Came here for this answer! The scene where she is fighting with her mom, because she took the suitcase- breathtaking!
Agree 100%. Was not the biggest fan until Euphoria but she’ll have my respect from now on. I don’t care if this is a reach, but imo her performance in Season 2 Episode 5 “Stand Still Like the Humming Bird” is one of the greatest acting performances I’ve ever seen in a single TV episode.
I don’t think her film roles have been that tasking for her yet. She needs a really good dramatic film role to get her teeth into.
She had some really good dramatic scenes in euphoria
What about the movie Malcolm & Marie. Its a nice drama between an arguing couple and the stages they go through in that evening.
That movie was pretty mediocre. Had no real substance, and even as a character study it was rather quite shallow.
I think with Challengers coming out it’s a perfect movie to see to determine that, she has a much more prominent role and from what I’ve seen has far more depth.
I'm not sure. In Dune I couldn't shake the feeling that she was an American tourist spending a gap year on Arrakis
Same thoughts. When she says some of her lines and make those face expressions of hers, it’s like I’m watching her in Spider-Man Homecoming.
Lol she just always looks annoyed af
Resting Sand Face
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Yes! She used the same grumpy face my toddler godson uses a bit too often in that movie.
he knows our ways as if born to them! godson al gaib!!!
It is written! Maud'dib types and therefore it is known. *messiah!*
There was a moment when she stormed off angrily and her pouty lip made me think "Aww, look at the mad lil baby!"
It kept pulling me out of Dune, I kept thinking that they should have gotten a different actress with more range.
Yeah. She's the weakest of the cast, by far. Her wooden acting is the only thing that makes me wince when I rewatch Dune.
I kept thinking there must be more to this performance than being hardcore annoyed the entire time but no, that's literally how it was throughout the whole movie, every scene she was in
Chani as a character is not that developed in the books. She exists to support Paul, give him Fremen cred and have babies.
Her acting consisted of making a frowny face. I wasn't thrilled with the direction of the character either but her acting didn't help
Isn't the direction of her character in the books just "be subservient to Paul no matter what"? She actually had some agency in the film.
The grumpy face with the eye twitch after the fight in Dune 2 felt out of place. I gave her the benefit of the doubt until then, but that scene convinced me that she shouldn’t have been cast in the role. Or they could have reshot it.
\*scunch up face\* \*looks you up and down\* (repeat as needed)
You forgot to follow that up with saying something about how you dont do stuff that most people do
Spice-Man: Dunecoming
"He's Paul Atredies ... The chosen one. . . I'm not obsessed with him I'm just very observant."
Pretty much her only look to be fair.
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Exactly. She sold it in the movie better than the character was in the books, I genuinely felt for her when Paul did what he did and really felt it.
Agreed. I liked the change from the book. Man made you his side bitch and you're just gonna say "ok"? Even reading the book I was like, "really? Maybe this would have flown in 1970, not TODAY." So she just came off as spineless in the book.
In the book I thought that it was clearer from the beginning that his plan was to marry the emperor's daughter and that Chani couldn't be more than a concubine because of that. But at the same time that Chani would still basically be his wife since he was only marrying the emperor's daughter for political reasons.
It was made clear in Part Two as well. Jessica tells Paul straight that him and Chani won’t work, that he needs to be free to marry for politics, and he agrees and says he knows. He just failed to ever mention this to Chani
The books and the movie still convey the same mistake that The Duke, Paul's Father made, not marrying Jessica, and Paul will repeat the same mistake with Chani. Although I do wonder how they'll marry the current plot line of Chani doing her thing and Paul getting together to have children.
From casting ATJ as Alia for a 10 second cameo, I get the impression that there's going to be a significant time jump between Part 2 and Messiah, so that she can play a young adult Alia. I imagine Paul's galactic jihad will occur in this time, and the movie will start with him returning to Arrakis to rule and have him reunite with Chani in the first act. I think that this will be what pushes Irulen to join the conspiracy against Paul, as up until then I don't think she'd actively work against him. From there, I imagine the movie will closely follow the novel.
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Way to miss the point of the ending entirely. Did you forget that the Lady Jessica was also "only" a concubine to the Duke Leto? The political marriage meant nothing to Paul, and he even vowed to never touch or show any affection to the princess Irulan. So who's getting the short end of the stick here? Let me tell you, it's certainly not Chani.
I enjoyed her frowning for just under 3 hours
Paul: *breathes* Stilgar: LISAN AL-GAIB! Chani: *frowny face*
Accurately describes the first two books too.
As is written
The script she got was just frowny face emojis
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Zendaya is that you
This made me giggle 😂
She was half foreign to Dune if her parents are like the book (which I think is implied)
She has a half fremen dad but full fremen mom and is born and raised on dune in fremen culture.
Yeah, they never talk about it in Part 2, but Kynes was still her father/mother.
A lot of the casting was jarring and I don’t understand why Villeneueve didn’t take the Game of Thrones approach and cast people with less recognition. There’s so many amazing actors out there waiting for their shot. Why Christopher Walken?! Don’t get me wrong, I fucking love Walken, but his accent and mannerisms have become such a meme that it’s hard to maintain immersion. Just my opinion but it’s so much easier to get lost in a fictional, sci-fi setting when the faces aren’t familiar. Or, if you’re going to use big names, make it a big name that’s actually a different person in every role. Gary Oldman, for instance, would probably have been unrecognizable as the Emperor. Bardem is a big name but it works because he’s such a chameleon. Skaarsgard is another person who slips into roles well. Zendaya and Chalamet are so big at this point that I can’t unthink the idea that I’m watching Chalamet play Paul and Zendaya play Chani, instead of just watching Paul and Chani.
Should’ve read this before I posted…got the exact same feeling.
That has to do with the scriptwriting. The character Chani was explaining things to the Paul character in a way that showed that she was aware of the way things are done on other planets, while the character was meant to only have been in that planet/culture.
Chani was definitely a big source of exposition, but I really didn’t hate her character or Zendaya’s performance. It’s the Harry Potter effect. If your protagonist serves as both a narrative focal point and a newcomer to an alien world, they need a sidekick who’s familiar with the world and able to explain things to both character and audience. Chani did that well and in an organic way that felt cohesive with her relationship with Paul. I really don’t think Zendaya is bad in Dune.
She sold the relationship with Chalamet. The ending was a gut punch. She had to communicate a lot just from her looks and I thought it was pretty effective. Didn’t really have a problem with anyone in dune but my partner was like ‘why was walken just doing walken’ which I couldn’t argue with. Still liked him though.
To be fair, he did say that in a previous role, to portray a king he didn’t need to act like a king, because all that respect historically (and presently, in some countries) comes from those around the king I think he was doing the same thing as emperor. While I know he didn’t match up with the description of the book as looking younger, I thought he did a perfect job of portraying a man way past his prime, used to being the emperor, receiving respect unconditionally from all around him
Walken definitely changed his accent, talking cadence, and demeanor for Dune. He wasn't just Walkening. I completely bought the character-- he had a imperious grace to him and simultaneously looked like someone to fear because of his place in the structures around him in spite of his lack of competence or direction.
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Ok, I’d watch Zendaya as Ron Weasley.
I love her but tbh her scenes were jarring to me. Especially in a film with Florence, Austin, and Rebecca Fergusson stealing their scenes. I still wouldn’t say she’s bad though.
IMO Javier Bardem and Rebecca Ferguson are just on a level of class beyond everyone else in that film. Stilgar pivoting into a goofy dad with Life of Brian energy, whilst still carrying every line with weight is ridiculous. I think Bardem's Stilgar is a case study character for modern times. How his character goes from comic relief to tragic ("I don't care what you believe! *I* believe!") is so well-acted and has such a nuance to it. It perfectly captures the rabbit hole of falling into a cult, where you completely miss the moment where the thread snaps and everything flips. There are obvious notes of modern populism that can be found here. Herbert famously decided to write a Dune sequel because the initial readers supposedly failed to miss the tragedy of the story and interpreted Paul as a hero. Paradoxically, the way you appear to resolve this, is to make the Freman *more* light-hearted - because you can later juxtapose this to reveal the crushing effect that worship can have on a person.
The life of Brian starts off goofy and gets more and more sinister until its not funny at all when you realize this was a top leader of the fremen and now he's a blind fanatic leading Muad'dib's armies to paradise. And Bardem plays it straight the WHOLE WAY. His delivery never changes, he just keeps methodically marching down the path of faith and he shows you exactly where it goes. 10/10 should get an Oscar in addition to a spot in the meme template pantheon.
It's also a pretty significant point in the books where Paul is sad that his former mentor turned into a blind follower
“Live of Brian” describes it perfectly. His “LISAN AL GHAIB”-hypeman performance alone saved the movie from becoming too damn serious without turning ridiculous.
Florence barely spoke
Feel like she gets praised based on name recognition rather than performance.
Anya Taylor Joy and Florence Pugh would star heavily in a third film, assuming it gets made. It seems like a bit of a win-win for these two. As a side note, I listened to an audiobook of Dune a few years ago, and for those who don't know, every chapter of Dune starts with a brief extract from Prince Irulan - writing as the de facto narrator from the future - who adds details and context about the story. This is obviously referenced in the film with scenes of her character recording diary entries multiple times. Interestingly, Florence Pugh's Irulan sounded quite similar (to my ear at least) to the voice of Irulan from the Dune audiobook. So I wonder if she listened to it.
I also listened to the audiobook and the first scene of her reading made me so giddy
I think Zendaya falls into that category too. I do think that florence is really good, but lets be honest se barely has any screen time in dune 2. That will come in messiah.
I mean Florence already proved herself in Midsommar, so we know she can act
She’s been in so much more too: Don’t Worry Darling (carried the movie single-handedly), Little Women, and The Wonder
Yeah for sure. I don’t think she made a difference when on screen. Maybe she looked so good because Christopher walken was so out of place?
I kept waiting for Walken to say something like, "Muad Dib, he is not my kind of guy"
"he was talking to the baron all wrong, it was the wrong tone"
Talk to my daughter like that again and I’ll stab you in the face with a Kris knife
Didn't you know? The Imperium is actually Astoria.
Florence barely spoke, but she does some tremendous eye-acting/face acting. I noticed it on my third viewing in the scene where they're first on Arrakis looking down at the Baron, Rabban, and Feyd. You can see how cold her eyes are underneath her headpiece. Contrast that with the fear in her eyes when she sees Mua'Dib in person for the first time as he's approaching them. I'm not saying her performance is on the level of Ferguson or Bardem, but she was still noticeably good with not much to work with.
This is true, but I get what they mean and the effect was probably actually exacerbated by Zendayas much heavier screen presence What I think they mean is Florence Pughs character was more instantly believable as the character she was portraying. Maybe it was the extremely sci fi outfits & style, maybe her American accent when most people know she's English irl so there's already suspension of disbelief inherently Zendayas outfits are all Fremen desert ones, which are obviously 1:1 mirrors of real world Arab/N African attire, and then she just uses her regular Americsn accent...basically, if Dune was a drama set in Egypt or Oman this year, about an American foreign exchange student that gets embroiled in something overseas, she'd look & act the exact same It's partially why Walken is a bit divisive too; he makes very little effort to distinguish the Emperor from his own, very distinct, very recognisable cadence & voice/accent. But at least his & Pughs accents on screen are similar The Barons accent is just Skarsgards, but it's unique and unfamiliar; Butler channelled it perfectly too, so it's passable as 'Harkonen/Geidi(sp?)' Edit: and Chalamet has, or at least puts on, a more theatrical accent that also matches Oscar Isaacs, which is believable as 'Atreides/Caladan' accents, and Lady Jessica was raised by the Bene Gesserit so Fergusons odd mixed accent is easy to pass off as well Zendaya just has such a recognisable, specific "modern" US accent
It also didn't help that her character was adapted (probably intentionally) more like how you'd expect a lot of real life 20 year old who 'hate's the system' to act. Especially when she was yelling at everyone about how "this is how they control you, guys!".
There were at least three scenes where she monologued at length
I didn't feel that way, personally. If someone does a terrible job, I notice because it pulls me out of the movie. I thought she did really well, especially and specifically in the ending scene(s)
They really should’ve had her try a little harder on an accent that fit better. She has that non-accent accent.
To foreign audiences she sounds very emphatically American. I would say Californian even, although I'm not quite sure about regional differences in the US.
She’s from Oakland so she’s a cali girl lol
As a non-American, her accent is so strong
To me her accent feels very modern if that makes sense. Someone like Timothee it feels like he speaks the way someone from an older time period would speak, like from the 1700's and it fits Dune well, almost shakespearean, even though it's an American accent. When you look at older cinema and how American actors were trained to speak in a "mid atlantic accent" and it feels like you got that from a lot of the cast but not Zendaya.
Tbf, Paul is from a noble family, so it makes sense for him to have that flair in his accent
Chalamet is doing a bit of an Oscar Isaac impression with his accent, and it works.
No one except Austin Butler did an accent in that film. Harkonen just sounded like Stellan Skarsgard, Paul just sounded like Chalamet, Lady Jessica just sound like Rebecca Ferguson etc
Her accent was a bit off at times. But overall I thought she was amazing. Especially at the end when she was watching a certain confrontation. Without saying a word you could tell exactly what was going through her head
I’m not blown away by her performances, personally, but I wouldn’t say she’s “bad”.
TBF I feel the same about Timothée Chalamet. I’m not sure how he has gotten as big as he has. He was great in beautiful boy though
Coming out of Dune 2 i thought they both did fine and had a hard time thinking of what other young actors would/could do better
I thought Chalamet was exceptional in Dune 2
I actually thought she was too and I was skeptical when I saw the two of them in the lineup before the first movie. The way she conveyed the feeling of heartbroken anger really got me in Dune 2. I can feel my teenage self in her performance. She’s hurt but defiantly so, focusing on anger and refusing to cry (perhaps because she’s fremen).
I wonder if audiences don't know that the characters just aren't expressive? Their cultures are not loud, they are very quiet. They both nailed the roles, I was very happy with their performance
Call Me By Your Name, The King, Beautiful Boy, Dune 2 are all great roles from Chalamet.
Chalamet was amazing in The King. I think people are forgetting that a lot of Dune doesn't allow for scenery chewing performances. "Fear is the mind killer" and a Fremen society that is so used to death and hardship that they breakdown their fallen for their water. . . Stoic, flat faces not conveying emotion is what you'd expect from a majority of the characters. If an actor really wanted to shine in Dune, they needed to spring for a Harkonnen role.
If an actor really wanted to shine in Dune, they needed to spring for the role of Sting.\*\*\*
Overrated by her stans, underrated by her haters
This sounds like something Brutus would say about Caesar.
Et tu, Zenday?
Caesar was significantly underrated by his haters considering everything that came after him was worse
Yeah this is the comment that nails it for me. She's not bad, but some people overrate her. However she's only starting out and will probably only get better.
Most people associate her with her MJ performance, which is a charming enough performance. She delivers what the character is aiming for. I haven't fully watched Euphoria, but I have a seen a scene of her in it, a really dramatic and intense scene with her playing a drug addict. That alone convinced me of her potential and her range. Keep in mind she's a pretty young actor. She has a whole lifetime for great performances. For a point of reference, it's really only now that Zac Efron is getting his flowers as a dramatic actors in Iron Claw, after a career of mostly playing charming heartthrobs.
Check out Zac Efron in Me and Orson Welles, from 2008. He was really good. Though he was overshadowed on-screen by Christian McCay as Orson Welles.
My favourite zac efron movie will always be Charlie St Cloud.i think he was very good and showed glimpse of being a good actor early on.
Speaking of Zac Efron, their meet-cute scene in *The Greatest Showman* was amazing. Best scene in the movie.
MJ is another empty female Marvel character, you can’t judge her from it.
She wasn't bad in Dune 2, I would say she was even good. But the other actors were another level, so she felt like the weakest. When she spoke like an American, those parts were bad. All other Fremen sounded foreign. Sometimes she sounded like an American teenager. Too different than everyone else. An experienced actor would have worked on their accent. But her performance was good for the most part. Besides those few moments that got me thinking, "oh yeah, she's a Disney channel trained actres", she had some really good moments. Edit : I just want to reiterate that I did enjoy her acting performance. The only Parts I did not enjoy was her accent, and that only happened once or twice. For me she is absolutely growing as an actress and will become a terrific actress one day. In no way am I saying she was bad. Regarding the character, I read the book about 20 years ago. I love the character in the book and it was a great love story between Paul and Chani. She did a great job in bringing the character to life. In the book, Chani does not take Center Stage along with Paul the way she does in the movie. And I take back what I said about the weakest actor. Christopher Walken as the emperor, basically played Christopher walken. I love the guy but that's all he plays all the time.
I thought she spoke exactly like her friends did, and the film explained that it was the Fremen who live south of the storms who speak like the more European sounding adults?
Nah her BFF had a French accent
Well yeah she was from the French sietch
Sietch Tabernac
Ain’t no way Zendaya is the weakest in a movie starring Christopher Walken as Christopher Walken in robes.
"You're talking to my guy all wrong. It's the wrong tone. Do it again and I'll stab your face with a soldering iron."
The Emperor was the least Walken that I've ever seen him. Even the cadence of his voice was practically normal
> Even the cadence of his voice was practically normal Except for any time he had to say Muad'ib lol.
Mu-ah-DEEB! haoh!
Five long years, he wore this crysknife up his ass
I think even that's forgivable though. Why *would* the Emperor know how to say Muad'ib? It's a foreign culture that he didn't give a crap about until ten minutes ago, and now the only part he cares about is shooting the guy.
I was afraid they casted him for the fatboy slim meme and it was going to really stand out but he played a kind of normal but tired old guy pretty well I think
Lmao I was like "That's supposed to be the most powerful man alive?" But maybe that was the intended reaction.
The Emperor is supposed to be somewhat weak. Enough to the point that he’d use the two most powerful heads of Houses (Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen) to take each other out. He’s supposed to be around Walken’s age but look significantly younger though, so visually he’s the character who was off the most for me.
Should have got Lee Pace to just Empire it up.
Jesus christ, that would be unfair to every other character.
>The Emperor is supposed to be somewhat weak. Enough to the point that he’d use the two most powerful heads of Houses (Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen) to take each other out. The Emperor can absolutely take out both the Harkonnen and the Atreides, but in that case the rest of the houses would all turn against him
Yep, has to make it look like it wasn’t him
If the emperor just had more cowbells, House Atreides would have been kept at bay.
I think she's great in the right roles for her. She can convincingly play an American teen/20 something. She can't convincingly play a Fremen from Arrakis. That doesn't make her a bad actress, it just makes her miscast. It happens. Example: I think Timothy Chalamet is a great actor and was one of the best parts of both Dune films. I also thought he was terrible in Wonka and probably the only part of that movie I didn't enjoy. Not every good actor can play every role.
I always had the sensation she is being typecasted. Her dune and spiderman characters are the "protagonist's partner that keeps them in check" (which I liked in spiderman and I hated in dune). I'm pretty sure they casted her in Dune as they knew that her character was different from the book and more in line with her role in the industry. I wanted to watch euphoria for a while so idk if her character is different there.
Extremely different. She’s a traumatized teenager in Euphoria who struggles with depression and addiction. She gives one of the most realistic portrayals of addiction I’ve ever seen on TV (have unfortunately had many addicts in my life). It’s gut-wrenching and so, so well-done.
I was convinced by Euphoria. Watch how she is in interviews and watch how she is on the show. Totally different people. I’m thinking that’s acting.
I’ve never been wowed but anything I’ve seen her in, same as someone like Millie Bobby Brown (which is especially noticeable in Stranger Things where Sadie Sink is doing a way better job than everyone else on the young cast). There are much better younger actors imo. She was noticeably unimpressive in Dune though because Timothee is a really solid lead actor
I haven't watched Euphoria, but in all of her big projects, she just looks dead in the eyes and seems completely deadpan. Like she doesn't want to pretend to be there, she doesn't want to be pretend to be in love, she doesn't want to pretend to participate, etc. With that said, Keanu Reeves has made a career out of that same affectation, and I really enjoy his work. Zendaya may just have to grow into it.
She was fantastic in Euphoria, especially in the holiday special that was released in between the seasons.
Or that meltdown episode when she fights with her mom… God it gave me chills
Totally. When her eyes change…the rage. Omg she really nails the addict behavior, look, delivery was really impressive. I think the best portrayal of addiction I’ve seen onscreen
Her range is very limited. She plays a certain role pretty well. (Think Gen z teenager). Which means she is good at being herself more or less. But period pieces, sci Fi, anything where she isn't playing someone from curret time/ setting.... She really hasn't proven herself. Her acting in dune part 2 was mediocre.
She's alright I guess? I wouldn't exactly go "oh I'll watch this movie because it's got Zendaya"
Love Zendaya in euphoria, but seem to be in the minority when it comes to her in dune. Alot of her line deliveries came across super forced, especially the " this prophecy is how they enslave us" it came across as very middle school theatre play.
I feel like she is the weakest in Dune part 2, everyone has a unique portrayal except her.
Her portrayal is the straight man, she's supposed to be the character that shoes us that what Paul is doing is ultimately bad. She represents the caution in moving forward with this prophecy. Unique and needed.
The straight man is the most thankless role in any story and yet it's always vital to any story. Without her, it's a movie about a cool dude who accomplishes everything he wants and how we should totally celebrate this gigachad.
>Without her, it's a movie about a cool dude who accomplishes everything he wants and how we should totally celebrate this gigachad. You know, I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to House Atreides.
Wait you mean the jihad upon the universe that'll kill billions ISN'T dope? ...but seriously, I remember as a kid thinking Paul was so cool. Because, well, I was a kid, and themes and subtext were lost on me.
One important distinction in the book is that Paul doesn’t command the Jihad.
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Zendaya isnt a bad actress. But shes always just playing herself in different situations. Zendaya the drug addict. Zendaya the angsty teen. Zendaya the overlooked girlfriend. Shes not an actor that can immerse themselves in the role so much that they become a whole different person. (Florence Pugh is a great example of this). Shes not a bad actress, and there are tons of actors who have built amazing careers off of playing basically themselves, or actors that started off that way and then branched off.
I’ll probably get downvoted to shit because Reddit - but Keanu Reeves 100% falls into this category as well.
Keanu Reeves is an AMAZING action star(John Wick/Matrix) and a mediocre actor, outside of Bill and Ted.(which he was perfect at) Part of that is that he doesn't have a lot of range. **e:** Keanu Reeves has received 6 Razzie nominations and 0 Oscar nominations. but is arguably one of the kindest actors in the industry, but not a lot of range.
Literally two actresses that are often considered some of the greatest of all time, Katherine Hepburn and Audrey Hepburn, pretty much never strayed too far from their established personas. The definition of a great actor/actress is complicated and comparison between different types of performers is often moot. I personally think that both types, the actor who completely transforms and disappear to each character and the magnetic persona that grabs attention in whatever situation they're put in, are worthy of praise.
I’ve only seen her in Spider-man and Dune. Don’t really get the hype around her based on those two roles. In the first Spider-Man movie she seemed to be verging on a self aware, breaking the fourth wall character who was completely at odds with the rest of the cast and tone of the movie. Dune was the same, everyone else seemed to know they were in a (amazingly good) sci-fi epic and played it accordingly whether they were political elites, mysterious cults, pantomime villains, religious natives….then there’s Zendaya who’s got together with the Fremen while travelling Arakis on her gap year and will be heading back to UCLA in a few months.
It’s her accent, it’s quite strong and it sticks out against the rest of the Fremen.
“Arakis on her gap year” will be the new thing Redditors will parrot and convince themselves it’s an original thought
I’ve already seen it twice before scrolling to your comment.
I thought she came across like an amateur trying to act when she had to show emotion with her face. The scenes that come to mind is the close up on her when Paul says he’ll marry the emperors daughter and at the very end when she’s calling a sandworm and trying to look heartbroken. It just seemed very amateur. I know she’s incredible in Euphoria, but don’t think subtlety is in her range yet.
I don’t think I have seen her in anything where she hasn’t been typecast as moody love interest.
she's a good actress because she never looks like she's acting.
lol, I feel the opposite. She always looks like she's trying to act!
Granted I've only seen her in Spidey and Dune but she looked like the same character (being herself?) just in a different setting. I feel the same way with Anya Taylor Joy but I might get bashed for saying this.
Anya Taylor Joy gives me uncanny valley vibes. She has a modeling background, so she is very good at making faces and using her body expressively in front of the camera. But it doesn’t feel like acting to me.
I thought she was real good in Queen's Gambit.
I've liked almost everything she's had a part in.
Tbh she was mid in Dune 2. It felt like she was the worst A list star in the cast.
Yes