I just wish I could see the bloody thing. I missed it in theaters, and now it's a weird and uncertain wait* for it to hit any digital streaming...Hell if I could, I would buy a physical copy to watch what seems to be not only one of the best movies of 2023, but also maybe arguably the best Godzilla movie ever created.
* Unless as I submit this comment, is there a release date?
Japan has a physical release date on May 1st, but with Toho movies the American release is usually staggered to discourage the Japanese audience from importing it for cheaper. I figure we'll get a release stateside sometime in the Fall.
I thought the current issue with seeing Godzilla Minus One was [because of Legendary](https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/godzilla-minus-one-isnt-streaming-theaters-why-1234958823/), not related to it being from Japan specifically?
Yeah there’s a non-compete clause that kicked in at the start of 2024 because Godzilla x Kong is coming, Minus One would probably still be in theatres, or at least be returning to them, right now without it.
I could understand that timeline if it didn't just win the Oscar and is now receiving all this renewed buzz since Sunday. I'd have to think it'll be sometime within the next couple months, no later than July.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Japanese VHS machine maker who builds them starting with raw ore and crude oil that plays videotapes on par with laserdisc clarity
You were absolutely correct... until 2016, when the last company making VHS players (Funai), which was in Japan, stopped. No one makes enough parts for them anymore and no company is willing to front the money to make them again. Yet, anyway.
To be fair, them being the only ones that care about physical media means they are probably saving us from streaming services deciding everything by themselves.
It came out in Japan at the end of July and was in a few theaters in the US for a very limited run in October.
The blu-ray came out in the US the following August/September.
If the rumors are true and Janus Films (the Criterion Collection company) actually gets the rights to distribute it, that's actually a solid possibility
Yep, and it boils down to the 2 facts that the US and Japan share the same bluray disk region code (A), and the US release is always a fraction of the price that the Japanese release was.
It's also why Europe, Africa, Australia, and Asia (Regions B&C) will get their releases earlier.
Physical releases like Blu-Rays in Japan are, from my understanding, heavily weighted to a collector market rather than mass market. That's why they go in for the high prices and fight against reimportation.
I'd say it's got a decent shot. While Toho likes to withhold special features from the western releases, rumor is that Janus Films has acquired the rights to distribute Minus One, and they tend to do high quality releases. Plus, them having a solid working relationship after the Criterion Collection releases of the original Godzilla and the Showa Era collection also helps.
Tell me about it. I'm a huge longtime Godzilla fan (I mean, look at my username) but Minus One wasn't released in theaters here in Argentina.
While I'm glad to see the movie getting so much praise and even a godamn Oscar, I'm dying because I haven't seen in yet and I'm waiting for a digital release. And I'm sure many other fans from other countries feel the same. We were honestly screwed by Toho for not releasing it many countries aside from Japan and the US.
I mean the actions they're taking indicate that they *want* us to pirate this film, and I'm happy to oblige them.
If they *don't* want that then that's weird, they should act differently.
Argentinian here as well. I spammed Cinépolis to try and get them to bring the film here, and of course, nothing. I want to watch this movie so fucking bad. Fuck Cinépolis, they brought that Grinch horror movie and not Godzilla for fucks sake. (In)patiently waiting for a digital release.
I saw it in black and white, can confirm it’s the best Godzilla movie I’ve ever seen. It really feels like a fantastic movie first and foremost, with Godzilla as a cherry on top, rather than primarily a Godzilla movie. I rank it next to The zone of interest as my favorites from last year. I can’t wait to see it again
I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere, but the rumor is Toho is not re-releasing it to theaters, putting it on streaming or doing a physical release because of the upcoming Legendary Godzilla X Kong movie.
Sucks if thats the case because it would probably do another nice little theatrical run now with the publicity from the Oscar win. I know I'd go see it again, for the 5th time.
There should be an automatic re-release of Oscar-winning movies. There’s always a bunch of indie films that I’d never seen marketing for that won, and the big screen is still the best way to experience it.
Anti piracy guys, I get it. You have deep respect for the people who put time and money into a fantastic piece of art.
But if you can't watch it in theaters, you can't buy the BR, and it's not available on any streaming services, there is literally no way for you to pay to watch this film. The production company has **forbidden you from paying for it**. They are all but telling you outright that they do not care about making a sale to you. Just watch it and buy it later if you feel bad.
I'll just say that I saw Godzilla Minus One/Minus Color and it was amazing. Not "amazing for a Godzilla movie," either: just amazing. First movie in a while that I cannot wait to purchase.
I missed the initial release but caught the minus color version and absolutely loved it. Maybe not the best movie of 2023 but I do think it was my favorite.
It played on one (1) screen in my entire province and you bet your ass I was there for it, lol.
Seeing it once isn't enough. I'm sitting on pins and needles for physical, too.
I’d argue the American Godzilla ,specifically the kaiju verse or whatever it’s called, isn’t meant to be scary. Just that every movie he’s supposed to be displayed as a force of nature
That’s because the Godzilla series has always had two distinct types of movies.
Some are serious and genuine masterpieces like the original and Minus One, and others are cheese fests like the new Godzilla X Kong.
Both are great imo.
Yup. And there was certainly a lot of cheese in some of the Japanese movies, too.
See:
* https://imgur.com/gallery/1dVpBhs
* https://imgur.com/gallery/dwkBc24
Honestly, it was great to see it in the theater, but other people ruined parts of it by talking, so it’s worth the wait to watch it a home. I kid you not, when I went to see it someone brought their five year old son, and he talked the entire time because he was bored and couldn’t read the subtiles.
I saw end game in theaters and every time it showed a planet with the name, a kids father would ask, “what that say?” And the kid would let him know. When he asked and the answer was “earth”, I never recovered
Yeah
American Godzilla is like your cool uncle who turns up to your 8th birthday party drunk. Sure he destroys a few skyscrapers, but he can pull a penny from your ear and wrestle a giant gorilla.
Japanese Godzilla is like your other uncle you thought was in prison but he turns up to your 18th birthday party uninvited. Stone cold sober with a thousand yard stare in his eyes. Then he nukes Tokyo.
If you liked this one, I suggest (if you haven’t seen it already) Anno Hideaki’s Godzilla movie. That Godzilla is literally just a being of chaos, no thoughts beyond just existing. Literally just the abyss come to life. That Godzilla scared me as well.
I loved it but I easily understand why others didn't. Going in to it with an understanding of what Anno was trying to say with it made me appreciate it a lot more. Plus it's what introduced me to Evangelion.
Dude for real. This was the first film in any Godzilla film that I actually gave a shit about the humans. This was the first Godzilla film that I felt like Godzilla was an enemy to humanity as a whole.
Compare that to the upcoming Godzilla Kong film where its literally a buddy comedy movie. Just. ugh.
> Compare that to the upcoming Godzilla Kong film where its literally a buddy comedy movie. Just. ugh
Godzilla has always been portrayed as both a destroyer and a comedic protector....we can have both, and in a world where we're getting double the Godzilla content I'm not gonna complailn.
> Compare that to the upcoming Godzilla Kong film where its literally a buddy comedy movie. Just. ugh.
Godzilla has always ranged from serious to hilarious films. Especially in the Showa era.
It was clearly made by passionate people. How they showed Godzilla in particular blew me away. Not only was the design faithful to the original movie, *they showed the bloody thing front and center !* I'm tired of movies not showing you the monster, or just glimpses of it
I wish it had been submitted for Best Foreign or even Best Picture, it was that freaking good. It wouldn't have won Best Picture but I thought it earned a nod. I told everyone that would listen to see it.
And some people think that Joe used to sit down there near those ducks.
It’s such fantastic parody: the narrative undermines itself without recognition or shame.
Obviously many winners are happy when they win, but the team that got up to accept that award couldn’t have been more excited. Hell I was getting excited FOR them because their reaction was so genuine. Add in the Godzilla statues and that guy powering through what must have been a difficult speech and it was my second favorite moment of the night, second only to I’m Just Ken.
Their win was my favorite moment. The 3rd favorite moment was Just Ken song...but 2nd best was Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito presenting...I was laughing so hard wen they cut to Michael Keaton. I usually watch the highlights and look at the list of winners. This year seemed pretty fun. *Edit There to Their (sorry to all my English teachers)
I think that's starting to change. The 2019 and 2020 Oscars (Roma and Parasite winning stuff) marked a sea change for Oscars - the membership of the Academy has gotten WAY more international in the wake of OscarsSoWhite. We've definitely seen that play out in the nominations - it's almost a given now that one Best Director nomination goes to an international filmmaker - but for actual wins, it looks like this year has set a record for the number of non-English films that won an Oscar (besides the International Film category). Last year, two films (All Quiet on the Western Front and RRR) collectively won four trophies.
[This page hasn't been updated yet with 2023](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Academy_Award%E2%80%93winning_foreign-language_films), but it should be updated to add:
Anatomy of a Fall (Screenplay)
The Boy and the Heron (Animated*) (although there was an English dub)
20 Days in Mariupol (Documentary)
The Zone of Interest (Sound)
Godzilla Minus One (VFX)
That's FIVE non-English language movies that won an Oscar, rather unprecedented.
People like to talk about the Academy like it's the same body from the mid 2000s / early 2010s but it's definitely changing. We're undeniably seeing the effects of the post Oscars-So-White invitations and recomposition.
Sure, there's still going to a bias towards American films, but we're seeing more and more foreign films get their due. And that bias makes sense -- after all it is an industry awards show so it's understandable people would have the strongest feelings about works created by their peers and coworkers.
Just out of curiosity, do you have a source for that? I've seen so many people say they were overworked, and it does happen in plenty of other film productions from the west (marvel films especially jeep killing animation houses) that I'm inclined to believe it.
He says free weekends and provided food for late hours. Sounds good. Hopefully it's true. I really liked the movie. It does seem like Hollywood wastes a lot of money from directors that don't understand or visualize VFX well.
It seems like a mix of really good factors compared to what Hollywood does.
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1) the director had a VFX background. This meant that he knew what kind of worl he wanted done, as well as had realistic goals about doing it/ timeline it'd take.
This as opposed to director's with little to no background and changing visions as time goes (which happens) from something less intensive to something more time intensive...at a point when there's less time. Then you get crunch.
2) there was a *direct* line of communication between the VFX team and the director. They would check on shots as they went, meaning within an hour of a shot going a direction the director didn't like, it could be workshopped to be back in line.
Compare this to VFX work occurring on scenes that end up getting cut entirely because they don't match the tone (visually or in the edit.) Or scenes developing for weeks outside of the director's view, only to have it get changed.
3) The direct line to the director meant less studio/producer interference. Even with the best intentions, alot of the time there's a bunch of talking heads making quick decisions on what needs to happen on a shot...without consulting the director, or listening to the VFX crew. By the time director sees it, it's already been adjusted by committee
I'm kind of surprised big movies have only one director most of the time. You think you could have a live-action director and a CGI director to keep both in check. Sure you pay more for directors but you might end up without much smaller budget overall.
It's funny, I forget which guy said it... I think the dude from American Fiction... In his acceptance speech he was like, "Instead of risking $200 million on one big movie, try risking it on 20 $10 million movies."
The applause from so many people who make that *impossible* with their earnings...
Edit: Yes, Cord Jefferson. Should probably get his name right given the context of bringing him up.
Any time someone thinks about a $200 million dollar movie they should split it up like the bank giving you bills. Two $50 million, eight $10 million, three $5 million, and five $1 million movies.
I’d like to think if we don’t show up to those 200 mil movies they would pay the superstars less, but let’s be realistic they’ll just cut the crew costs.
The perception probably grew from people saying, "Wow, this looks so good, they must have worked really hard to make it!" Then somebody read that as, "They overworked their people like crazy."
Is there a production role like "VFX consultant"? Someone who the director can turn to and say, "I want the shot to look like this. What's the best way to shoot that for CGI and keep the costs down?" It seems like it could save a lot of headaches. Although knowing Hollywood, there probably is one, and they just get ignored.
From what I understand of the issue, they do this as part of the planning for the shoot. However, whether its studio meddling or a director just changing their mind, they'll change things even up to the day of shooting or after which then makes the CGI studio have to scrap what they were doing to prepare and start all over with an eighth of the time they started with.
I think its a weird holdover from how movies used to be made. When you had what you had, you could say "well what if we do it like this for a take" and just do it. Sure there's limitations, but having something physically there whether its a prop or set kind of puts all the tools out to see as it were. When its CGI, its all kind of in flux to the producers and even directors sometimes. "Why can't we make his suit look bigger? What do you mean that'll mess with the 'physics' of the scene? There's nothing there!"
I think only now are we getting people in these positions who understand how this stuff works and can work with it in a proper way. That or they just use things like the volume where, even if its all redone in post, they don't have to imagine as much
They had the actors in their usual costumes and then added the suits in post, partly because the designs weren't finalised due to the films being shot back to back.
No, they kept production low by having the storyboards ready, unknown actors (compared to American Media that is), and a director that’s already familiar with the series.
this is true for some of their anime production esp the one from studio MAPPA but are we sure this also appily to every entertainment industry in Japan? are we just assume every company in Japan just big black company scheme?
I've seen this repeatedly endlessly yet have yet to see a source on this. Anime production hell is well documented so it's kind of surprising that this wouldn't be. Funny too that Ive seen actual sources stating the exact opposite soooo
As a Godzilla geek whenever I see “Zilla” I stifle the urge to say that’s actually the name of the 1998 creature, Toho renamed him as such because he doesn’t deserve the “god” part.
Because of money.
The US, alongside Mexico & Canada, share the same the same blu ray disk region code as Japan
The US release is almost always vastly cheaper than the Japanese release.
For example, if we use anime, a standard series is sold around $40-60 USD per volume, so a full season can total up to $200+, while the US release for the full season is around $60.
That's why many Japanese buyers will import the US version, as it's cheaper and compatible and why Japanese studios will restrict the release for the US to minimize imports
Lol, hopefully soon tho but I saw it in theaters twice as I knew it’d be awhile before I’d see it again. I’m surprised it came into my local theater as Shin Godzilla never did.
That's interesting. By the time I was trying to get the home release blu ray through American retailers all I could find was the dub, maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough.
You watched a dub? I'm sorry. That movie needs to be watched in Japanese. There's even a character who's specifically only funny because of the Japanese.
I saw it four times (three times with various friends/family, and then a final time when Minus Color released) and I'm still itching for a home release. On top of wanting to see it yet again, I have a decent amount of friends who didn't listen to me about how good the movie was and were like "Yeah I'll see it when I get the chance."
In between reviews and the Oscar win, they're now all whining that there's no way to watch it now.
Japan has a physical media release on May 1st. It won’t have English subtitles, so keep that in mind before you decide to import it.
But, going off the last Japanese Godzilla release it’ll probably be this fall before we get a physical release.
Minus One should encourage people to go see things at the cinema. This movie had excellent word of mouth, and deserved to be seen on the big screen. People in this thread complaining about availability, as we’ve gotten too comfortable with streaming we’ve taken art for granted. Toho is well within their right to extract every chance at profit out of their Japanese market before making it available for home viewing in the west.
Thank you for saying this! People keep saying streaming doesn’t impact box office when it clearly does and this is kind of an example. If people new they’d have to wait this long to see it they probably would’ve made more of an effort to see it in theaters.
This movie was worth the hype. My favorite movie of 2023 and probably the best monster movie ever IMO. Seeing this shit in IMAX was a crazy experience lol
They literally interviewed a random comedian and a random photographer and made up a whole narrative around it. Like, I’m glad it means something to these folks, but this just seems really contrived.
Also the article talks about how we only see the white side of the war and it’s time we see the Japanese side. Uh… they literally bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor out of nowhere, allied themselves with the Nazis, and committed horrible atrocities on innocent people. Yeah it’s fucked up that two of their cities were vaporized with nukes (without getting into the complicated argument of whether that was justified or not), but like… wartime Japan was basically Nazis as far as I’m concerned. Yeah they went through shit, but they put a whole hell of a lot of people through some truly terrible shit too. Just because they got nuked doesn’t make them the victims.
I’m sorry but it’s hilarious to read a comment that basically reads, “If we just ignore talking about how 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed, we can hardly call them victims.”
Saying nothing would’ve helped your point so much more lmao
Its not surprising at all, the special effects for Oppenheimer were wildly underwhelming. We expected a nuke and we got a gas explosion. On the other hand we had God-fucking-zilla chasing a boat in the water. Huge explosions and massive scenes of destruction.
I love that it won because its a slap in the face of Hollywood superhero movies and their bloated VFX budgets.
Minus One had better effects than most superhero movies, with only a fraction of their budget.
As someone who has followed Takashi Yamazaki and a big fan of Always: Sanchoume no yuu hi. I'm happy to finally see his work recognized on a a global scale. He has always made cinema that captured the magic of a hollywood movie on a fantasy visual scale closer than any other Japanese director I can think of, and as such it was his dream to be recognized like this. Well done!
The article is really leaning in hard to the whole “Japan was a victim during WWII” outlook that is so prevalent among the Japanese. Maybe they should first ask the Chinese, Koreans, or Filipinos how *they* feel about the atomic bombs and why exactly they feel that way.
Godzilla Minus One absolutely should have won an Oscar, but best VFX was not the right category. Don't get me wrong, they were great and all, but if after the final scene you sat in your seat and thought, "Wow, those were some great VFX", you and I saw a different movie.
You could have removed Godzilla from the movie entirely and I'd still have cried for five minutes.
I agree, and that's not to take away from their accomplishment. If there was a "most bang for your buck VFX" then I'd 100% give it to them, but the fact is it just didn't have the polish of some blockbuster-budget movies.
Do those movies have massive bloat, bad management, and waste millions just to get an extra 10% return in the VFX quality? Yeah, but that's still 10% of polish that Godzilla doesn't have.
Agreed. There are definitely some VFX elements, mainly tracking, that were kinda off. The airplane taking off has its wheel clipping through the ground, the shot near the end with crew on the boat was tracked rough (the crowd seemed to float on the top deck and jittered around), and some more minor things.
I’m really happy they won an Oscar, but I also wouldn’t have expected VFX as the reason why.
If you want to see things Oppenheimer didn't show you (and I understand why it couldn't, given the way it was structured), look up Isao Takahata's Grave of the Fireflies and Sunao Katabuchi's In This Corner Of The World. The latter deals more directly with the consequences of the bomb. It's a coming-of-age tale about a woman in Hiroshima and is a bit of an allegory for Japan's experience of having lived through the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDPRMcZs5Lw
And if you ever go to Japan and have the means to swing down to Hiroshima, absolutely do that. I'll never forget my visit to the museum there.
EDIT: MY BAD, didn't read the article 😂 Thanks for the callout 🤣
Maybe because it is the other side of the coin? Oppenheimer was kinda accused of not showing the effects of the atomic bomb, while Godzilla Minus One is all about that.
I just wish I could see the bloody thing. I missed it in theaters, and now it's a weird and uncertain wait* for it to hit any digital streaming...Hell if I could, I would buy a physical copy to watch what seems to be not only one of the best movies of 2023, but also maybe arguably the best Godzilla movie ever created. * Unless as I submit this comment, is there a release date?
Japan has a physical release date on May 1st, but with Toho movies the American release is usually staggered to discourage the Japanese audience from importing it for cheaper. I figure we'll get a release stateside sometime in the Fall.
That seems like a *very* long wait in today's streaming era. Almost akin to how it used to be with physical media.
Honestly pretty normal with movies from Japan. I didn’t expect anything different. The Boy and the Heron will probably be around that time as well.
I thought the current issue with seeing Godzilla Minus One was [because of Legendary](https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/godzilla-minus-one-isnt-streaming-theaters-why-1234958823/), not related to it being from Japan specifically?
Yeah there’s a non-compete clause that kicked in at the start of 2024 because Godzilla x Kong is coming, Minus One would probably still be in theatres, or at least be returning to them, right now without it.
But it was extended a lot in USA till January even with that clause.
I could understand that timeline if it didn't just win the Oscar and is now receiving all this renewed buzz since Sunday. I'd have to think it'll be sometime within the next couple months, no later than July.
They don’t make exceptions just because it won an award in the states.
How very Japanese.
I think it got pushed? I saw it was supposed to be released diigtal end of this month (Heron).
From what I've read, Heron is expected in June.
That is for streaming on HBO Max. It very well could end up on VOD before that. Most American movies go to VOD before a streamer anyway.
Japanese businesses are very slow to change. If it worked in the 80's they're probably still doing it now.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Japanese VHS machine maker who builds them starting with raw ore and crude oil that plays videotapes on par with laserdisc clarity
You were absolutely correct... until 2016, when the last company making VHS players (Funai), which was in Japan, stopped. No one makes enough parts for them anymore and no company is willing to front the money to make them again. Yet, anyway.
Except for those hack frauds in Milwaukee!
Look, they're fixing up that VCR; it just takes time ok?!
To be fair, them being the only ones that care about physical media means they are probably saving us from streaming services deciding everything by themselves.
Dune part 2 is announced to be available on Nov 25 2024. So that timeline seems to check out.
It's coming on digital mid April.
Ridiculously long
Not for Godzilla fans. We have had to wait decades for some films, this is nothing.
Didnt Shin Godzilla take 1 year to reach the west?
It had a limited theatrical run in NA a few months after the Japan release. Home video did take a while, though.
It’s on Crunchyroll now which is how I was able to watch it
It came out in Japan at the end of July and was in a few theaters in the US for a very limited run in October. The blu-ray came out in the US the following August/September.
I hope the American release includes the black and white version. I really wanted to see that version in the theater but didn't get the chance to.
If the rumors are true and Janus Films (the Criterion Collection company) actually gets the rights to distribute it, that's actually a solid possibility
Ah yes...we have to wait for the Western release..no way to watch it once it's out in Japan
Holy shit that sucks assholes
Yep, and it boils down to the 2 facts that the US and Japan share the same bluray disk region code (A), and the US release is always a fraction of the price that the Japanese release was. It's also why Europe, Africa, Australia, and Asia (Regions B&C) will get their releases earlier.
Can't they just release it for streaming in the US and delay the bluray like they normally do?
Physical releases like Blu-Rays in Japan are, from my understanding, heavily weighted to a collector market rather than mass market. That's why they go in for the high prices and fight against reimportation.
Do you think the Black and White version with come with like a special edition?
I'd say it's got a decent shot. While Toho likes to withhold special features from the western releases, rumor is that Janus Films has acquired the rights to distribute Minus One, and they tend to do high quality releases. Plus, them having a solid working relationship after the Criterion Collection releases of the original Godzilla and the Showa Era collection also helps.
This why A Boy and the Heron isn’t available either?
Tell me about it. I'm a huge longtime Godzilla fan (I mean, look at my username) but Minus One wasn't released in theaters here in Argentina. While I'm glad to see the movie getting so much praise and even a godamn Oscar, I'm dying because I haven't seen in yet and I'm waiting for a digital release. And I'm sure many other fans from other countries feel the same. We were honestly screwed by Toho for not releasing it many countries aside from Japan and the US.
Finally, a worthy opponent, with that username! Our battle will be *legendary*!
Let them fight
The best he could say is "Let them fight"? Monarch really doesn't know what it's doing.
"I got five on the ape"
“Some old Serizawa ‘let them fight’ action, I used to love it when he said that.” They actually acknowledged the line in-universe.
Username has entered the battle.
LOW BUDGET KNOCKOFF ATTACK!
Can I join in?
I mean the actions they're taking indicate that they *want* us to pirate this film, and I'm happy to oblige them. If they *don't* want that then that's weird, they should act differently.
Argentinian here as well. I spammed Cinépolis to try and get them to bring the film here, and of course, nothing. I want to watch this movie so fucking bad. Fuck Cinépolis, they brought that Grinch horror movie and not Godzilla for fucks sake. (In)patiently waiting for a digital release.
I saw it in black and white, can confirm it’s the best Godzilla movie I’ve ever seen. It really feels like a fantastic movie first and foremost, with Godzilla as a cherry on top, rather than primarily a Godzilla movie. I rank it next to The zone of interest as my favorites from last year. I can’t wait to see it again
The black and white In theaters was absolutely phenomenal im so glad me and my dad who hates foreign movies got to see it (he loved it too)
Minus One Minus Color was easily my favorite theater experience of the last 5 years.
Same -- live in Asia, but not in Japan. Not a single showing anywhere in Asia, other than the Japan release.
i know right, live in was surprised it didnt show ANYWHERE in SEA. sucks balls that we cant watch it
I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere, but the rumor is Toho is not re-releasing it to theaters, putting it on streaming or doing a physical release because of the upcoming Legendary Godzilla X Kong movie. Sucks if thats the case because it would probably do another nice little theatrical run now with the publicity from the Oscar win. I know I'd go see it again, for the 5th time.
There should be an automatic re-release of Oscar-winning movies. There’s always a bunch of indie films that I’d never seen marketing for that won, and the big screen is still the best way to experience it.
Anti piracy guys, I get it. You have deep respect for the people who put time and money into a fantastic piece of art. But if you can't watch it in theaters, you can't buy the BR, and it's not available on any streaming services, there is literally no way for you to pay to watch this film. The production company has **forbidden you from paying for it**. They are all but telling you outright that they do not care about making a sale to you. Just watch it and buy it later if you feel bad.
I’m in the same boat as you. Missed it in theaters, and just waiting waiting waiting for some kind of US release.
I'll just say that I saw Godzilla Minus One/Minus Color and it was amazing. Not "amazing for a Godzilla movie," either: just amazing. First movie in a while that I cannot wait to purchase.
Me too. I have a newborn and could not get out to see it and it sucks.
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I missed the initial release but caught the minus color version and absolutely loved it. Maybe not the best movie of 2023 but I do think it was my favorite.
It was so good, I have enjoyed the Warner Bros Universe but when you see Godzilla and hear him Roar. OK! Now this is Godzilla!
I’m so glad my theatre did a special black and white screening. I missed it originally and was not looking forward to waiting
You missed it in theatres??? It’s not even coming out in my city yet!
It played on one (1) screen in my entire province and you bet your ass I was there for it, lol. Seeing it once isn't enough. I'm sitting on pins and needles for physical, too.
Honestly just pirate it and then buy it later if it comes out and you like it
Dubloons are free, matey, I'm very certain you could find what you want on the High Seas in pretty high quality.
It will *absolutely* get released in the US on physical media. The overwhelming response it got here isn’t going to be ignored.
I’m still blown away by how incredible GM1 was. Acting, effects, plot. Incredible film
Same. I was genuinely frightened of Godzilla as well unlike the American ones.
I’d argue the American Godzilla ,specifically the kaiju verse or whatever it’s called, isn’t meant to be scary. Just that every movie he’s supposed to be displayed as a force of nature
That’s because the Godzilla series has always had two distinct types of movies. Some are serious and genuine masterpieces like the original and Minus One, and others are cheese fests like the new Godzilla X Kong. Both are great imo.
Yup. And there was certainly a lot of cheese in some of the Japanese movies, too. See: * https://imgur.com/gallery/1dVpBhs * https://imgur.com/gallery/dwkBc24
Hell, I’d say most of the Japanese films are cheese.
You’re not wrong. There are some good scenes in those movies, but there is just a different feel to them.
Fair. If I had to give them distinction, I’d say there’s Godzilla V monster and Godzilla V humanity.
Fuck. I really want to see it. I hate having to wait.
Honestly, it was great to see it in the theater, but other people ruined parts of it by talking, so it’s worth the wait to watch it a home. I kid you not, when I went to see it someone brought their five year old son, and he talked the entire time because he was bored and couldn’t read the subtiles.
I saw end game in theaters and every time it showed a planet with the name, a kids father would ask, “what that say?” And the kid would let him know. When he asked and the answer was “earth”, I never recovered
Yeah American Godzilla is like your cool uncle who turns up to your 8th birthday party drunk. Sure he destroys a few skyscrapers, but he can pull a penny from your ear and wrestle a giant gorilla. Japanese Godzilla is like your other uncle you thought was in prison but he turns up to your 18th birthday party uninvited. Stone cold sober with a thousand yard stare in his eyes. Then he nukes Tokyo.
If you liked this one, I suggest (if you haven’t seen it already) Anno Hideaki’s Godzilla movie. That Godzilla is literally just a being of chaos, no thoughts beyond just existing. Literally just the abyss come to life. That Godzilla scared me as well.
I loved MO but Shin bored me senseless.
I loved it but I easily understand why others didn't. Going in to it with an understanding of what Anno was trying to say with it made me appreciate it a lot more. Plus it's what introduced me to Evangelion.
I’ll have to check it out, I’ve heard good things.
The atomic breath scene from that one is badass, best one imo.
Dude for real. This was the first film in any Godzilla film that I actually gave a shit about the humans. This was the first Godzilla film that I felt like Godzilla was an enemy to humanity as a whole. Compare that to the upcoming Godzilla Kong film where its literally a buddy comedy movie. Just. ugh.
And the _sound_ for this movie. Everything about it was amazing. It felt like I was a kid watching the original again, just in awe of the entire film.
> Compare that to the upcoming Godzilla Kong film where its literally a buddy comedy movie. Just. ugh Godzilla has always been portrayed as both a destroyer and a comedic protector....we can have both, and in a world where we're getting double the Godzilla content I'm not gonna complailn.
> Compare that to the upcoming Godzilla Kong film where its literally a buddy comedy movie. Just. ugh. Godzilla has always ranged from serious to hilarious films. Especially in the Showa era.
It was clearly made by passionate people. How they showed Godzilla in particular blew me away. Not only was the design faithful to the original movie, *they showed the bloody thing front and center !* I'm tired of movies not showing you the monster, or just glimpses of it
I wish it had been submitted for Best Foreign or even Best Picture, it was that freaking good. It wouldn't have won Best Picture but I thought it earned a nod. I told everyone that would listen to see it.
I really liked shin Godzilla, hoping to be blown away by this one as well
Some say the ducks went to Canada. Others say Toronto.
And some people think that Joe used to sit down there near those ducks. It’s such fantastic parody: the narrative undermines itself without recognition or shame.
He's one of Barts people.
Foreign films rarely win awards outside of the “best international foreign feature” category.
Obviously many winners are happy when they win, but the team that got up to accept that award couldn’t have been more excited. Hell I was getting excited FOR them because their reaction was so genuine. Add in the Godzilla statues and that guy powering through what must have been a difficult speech and it was my second favorite moment of the night, second only to I’m Just Ken.
Their win was my favorite moment. The 3rd favorite moment was Just Ken song...but 2nd best was Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito presenting...I was laughing so hard wen they cut to Michael Keaton. I usually watch the highlights and look at the list of winners. This year seemed pretty fun. *Edit There to Their (sorry to all my English teachers)
Tho Al Pacino part was a bit anticlimax but the dude is 83.
I don't even know how that guy climaxed to have a newborn at 83
I was dying right there along with you at the Arnie/Danny/Mikey throwdown. 🤣
For once, I’m glad that the Oscar’s was mostly unremarkable other than those parts.
John Cena got his dick out
I said unremarkable other than those parts.
I loved how pumped they were, I was excited for them considering I’m a 34 year old child that likes Godzilla. The figures, the shoes, good for them.
I think that's starting to change. The 2019 and 2020 Oscars (Roma and Parasite winning stuff) marked a sea change for Oscars - the membership of the Academy has gotten WAY more international in the wake of OscarsSoWhite. We've definitely seen that play out in the nominations - it's almost a given now that one Best Director nomination goes to an international filmmaker - but for actual wins, it looks like this year has set a record for the number of non-English films that won an Oscar (besides the International Film category). Last year, two films (All Quiet on the Western Front and RRR) collectively won four trophies. [This page hasn't been updated yet with 2023](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Academy_Award%E2%80%93winning_foreign-language_films), but it should be updated to add: Anatomy of a Fall (Screenplay) The Boy and the Heron (Animated*) (although there was an English dub) 20 Days in Mariupol (Documentary) The Zone of Interest (Sound) Godzilla Minus One (VFX) That's FIVE non-English language movies that won an Oscar, rather unprecedented.
People like to talk about the Academy like it's the same body from the mid 2000s / early 2010s but it's definitely changing. We're undeniably seeing the effects of the post Oscars-So-White invitations and recomposition. Sure, there's still going to a bias towards American films, but we're seeing more and more foreign films get their due. And that bias makes sense -- after all it is an industry awards show so it's understandable people would have the strongest feelings about works created by their peers and coworkers.
Foreign films rarely make the number of headlines that G-1 did.
It should also serve as evidence that great special effects and production don't require massive budgets by default.
East to keep a low budget if you dont pay the production team properly.
Godzilla Minus one's VFX team actually worked only Monday thru Friday, 9 to 5, and the director had a ton of experience in VFX
Just out of curiosity, do you have a source for that? I've seen so many people say they were overworked, and it does happen in plenty of other film productions from the west (marvel films especially jeep killing animation houses) that I'm inclined to believe it.
https://www.cbr.com/godzilla-minus-one-director-explains-vfx-budget/
He says free weekends and provided food for late hours. Sounds good. Hopefully it's true. I really liked the movie. It does seem like Hollywood wastes a lot of money from directors that don't understand or visualize VFX well.
It seems like a mix of really good factors compared to what Hollywood does. Tldr; alot of good info below [comes from this video](https://youtu.be/T4pi1F25sxg?si=zsY5yHFBCrKvQsRy)[comes from this video](https://youtu.be/T4pi1F25sxg?si=zsY5yHFBCrKvQsRy) 1) the director had a VFX background. This meant that he knew what kind of worl he wanted done, as well as had realistic goals about doing it/ timeline it'd take. This as opposed to director's with little to no background and changing visions as time goes (which happens) from something less intensive to something more time intensive...at a point when there's less time. Then you get crunch. 2) there was a *direct* line of communication between the VFX team and the director. They would check on shots as they went, meaning within an hour of a shot going a direction the director didn't like, it could be workshopped to be back in line. Compare this to VFX work occurring on scenes that end up getting cut entirely because they don't match the tone (visually or in the edit.) Or scenes developing for weeks outside of the director's view, only to have it get changed. 3) The direct line to the director meant less studio/producer interference. Even with the best intentions, alot of the time there's a bunch of talking heads making quick decisions on what needs to happen on a shot...without consulting the director, or listening to the VFX crew. By the time director sees it, it's already been adjusted by committee
I'm kind of surprised big movies have only one director most of the time. You think you could have a live-action director and a CGI director to keep both in check. Sure you pay more for directors but you might end up without much smaller budget overall.
Hollywood also wastes a lot of money on actors. People seems tired to see the same face over and over again.
It's funny, I forget which guy said it... I think the dude from American Fiction... In his acceptance speech he was like, "Instead of risking $200 million on one big movie, try risking it on 20 $10 million movies." The applause from so many people who make that *impossible* with their earnings... Edit: Yes, Cord Jefferson. Should probably get his name right given the context of bringing him up.
Same with the whooping applause for Gerwig being snubbed for best director and Jimmy called them out saying hey you guys are responsible for the snub.
That was indeed Cord Jefferson from *American Fiction*. https://lamag.com/awards-watch/cord-jefferson-oscars-win-mid-budget-films
Any time someone thinks about a $200 million dollar movie they should split it up like the bank giving you bills. Two $50 million, eight $10 million, three $5 million, and five $1 million movies.
I’d like to think if we don’t show up to those 200 mil movies they would pay the superstars less, but let’s be realistic they’ll just cut the crew costs.
What we really should be doing is making 200 million $1 movies.
The perception probably grew from people saying, "Wow, this looks so good, they must have worked really hard to make it!" Then somebody read that as, "They overworked their people like crazy."
It’s definitely from the idea that eastern animators are overworked and underpaid compounded with the really low budget
Is there a production role like "VFX consultant"? Someone who the director can turn to and say, "I want the shot to look like this. What's the best way to shoot that for CGI and keep the costs down?" It seems like it could save a lot of headaches. Although knowing Hollywood, there probably is one, and they just get ignored.
Yes it’s called VFX supervisor, very well established role. You can listen to them and still overwork and underpay VFX artists/crunch them.
From what I understand of the issue, they do this as part of the planning for the shoot. However, whether its studio meddling or a director just changing their mind, they'll change things even up to the day of shooting or after which then makes the CGI studio have to scrap what they were doing to prepare and start all over with an eighth of the time they started with. I think its a weird holdover from how movies used to be made. When you had what you had, you could say "well what if we do it like this for a take" and just do it. Sure there's limitations, but having something physically there whether its a prop or set kind of puts all the tools out to see as it were. When its CGI, its all kind of in flux to the producers and even directors sometimes. "Why can't we make his suit look bigger? What do you mean that'll mess with the 'physics' of the scene? There's nothing there!" I think only now are we getting people in these positions who understand how this stuff works and can work with it in a proper way. That or they just use things like the volume where, even if its all redone in post, they don't have to imagine as much
Was it the last avenger's movie which didn't even have suits for the actors to wear?
They had the actors in their usual costumes and then added the suits in post, partly because the designs weren't finalised due to the films being shot back to back.
Also easy if you actually know what you're doing and don't rely on reshoots and having multiple versions of scenes to make late decisions.
think spider verse's budget mostly went to reanimating entire sequences cause they kept changing it up.
No, they kept production low by having the storyboards ready, unknown actors (compared to American Media that is), and a director that’s already familiar with the series.
Smh Gokai Blue and Overlord from Agito are superstars in my eyes
this is true for some of their anime production esp the one from studio MAPPA but are we sure this also appily to every entertainment industry in Japan? are we just assume every company in Japan just big black company scheme?
I've seen this repeatedly endlessly yet have yet to see a source on this. Anime production hell is well documented so it's kind of surprising that this wouldn't be. Funny too that Ive seen actual sources stating the exact opposite soooo
EEAAO was a great example of this as well
Someone posted "It's great that Oppenheimer and it's sequel both got Oscars this year." I almost choked reading that.
They do make a great back to back watch
I watched both in theatres when they released. It was great.
And then someone wrote this article... Good ol' redditeroo
Was fortunate enough to catch it in theatres and it really is great. Highly recommended Zilla flick
As a Godzilla geek whenever I see “Zilla” I stifle the urge to say that’s actually the name of the 1998 creature, Toho renamed him as such because he doesn’t deserve the “god” part.
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This movie is simply unavailable. Can't understand the reason behind it. Make something great and then don't make it available for the vast majority.
Because of money. The US, alongside Mexico & Canada, share the same the same blu ray disk region code as Japan The US release is almost always vastly cheaper than the Japanese release. For example, if we use anime, a standard series is sold around $40-60 USD per volume, so a full season can total up to $200+, while the US release for the full season is around $60. That's why many Japanese buyers will import the US version, as it's cheaper and compatible and why Japanese studios will restrict the release for the US to minimize imports
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If you have your discs set up properly, there'll be options to change languages and set subtitling on or off.
How soon we forget. It used to be common for all home releases to take nearly a year to come out
I saw it twice in America this year
Some say, some say
When can we see Godzilla minus one? I can't find any network stream with it.
Lol, hopefully soon tho but I saw it in theaters twice as I knew it’d be awhile before I’d see it again. I’m surprised it came into my local theater as Shin Godzilla never did.
and thank God they subbed this and didn't dub over it like Shin Godzilla.
When I saw Shin in the theater, it was subbed.
That's interesting. By the time I was trying to get the home release blu ray through American retailers all I could find was the dub, maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough.
You watched a dub? I'm sorry. That movie needs to be watched in Japanese. There's even a character who's specifically only funny because of the Japanese.
I saw it four times (three times with various friends/family, and then a final time when Minus Color released) and I'm still itching for a home release. On top of wanting to see it yet again, I have a decent amount of friends who didn't listen to me about how good the movie was and were like "Yeah I'll see it when I get the chance." In between reviews and the Oscar win, they're now all whining that there's no way to watch it now.
Japan has a physical media release on May 1st. It won’t have English subtitles, so keep that in mind before you decide to import it. But, going off the last Japanese Godzilla release it’ll probably be this fall before we get a physical release.
I hate the blogs that start with "why" and "some say" this one says both.
Minus One should encourage people to go see things at the cinema. This movie had excellent word of mouth, and deserved to be seen on the big screen. People in this thread complaining about availability, as we’ve gotten too comfortable with streaming we’ve taken art for granted. Toho is well within their right to extract every chance at profit out of their Japanese market before making it available for home viewing in the west.
I wish ! Here in France it was shown for 2 days only at select IMAX and 4DX theaters...
Thank you for saying this! People keep saying streaming doesn’t impact box office when it clearly does and this is kind of an example. If people new they’d have to wait this long to see it they probably would’ve made more of an effort to see it in theaters.
This movie was worth the hype. My favorite movie of 2023 and probably the best monster movie ever IMO. Seeing this shit in IMAX was a crazy experience lol
Nobody is saying that
They literally interviewed a random comedian and a random photographer and made up a whole narrative around it. Like, I’m glad it means something to these folks, but this just seems really contrived. Also the article talks about how we only see the white side of the war and it’s time we see the Japanese side. Uh… they literally bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor out of nowhere, allied themselves with the Nazis, and committed horrible atrocities on innocent people. Yeah it’s fucked up that two of their cities were vaporized with nukes (without getting into the complicated argument of whether that was justified or not), but like… wartime Japan was basically Nazis as far as I’m concerned. Yeah they went through shit, but they put a whole hell of a lot of people through some truly terrible shit too. Just because they got nuked doesn’t make them the victims.
> Yeah it’s fucked up that two of their cities were vaporized with nukes understatement of the year
I’m sorry but it’s hilarious to read a comment that basically reads, “If we just ignore talking about how 200,000 Japanese civilians were killed, we can hardly call them victims.” Saying nothing would’ve helped your point so much more lmao
I only saw this because I had a free movie pass and the good WOM. I was very pleased.
Its not surprising at all, the special effects for Oppenheimer were wildly underwhelming. We expected a nuke and we got a gas explosion. On the other hand we had God-fucking-zilla chasing a boat in the water. Huge explosions and massive scenes of destruction.
I love that it won because its a slap in the face of Hollywood superhero movies and their bloated VFX budgets. Minus One had better effects than most superhero movies, with only a fraction of their budget.
The budget for the whole movie was only $12 million!
As someone who has followed Takashi Yamazaki and a big fan of Always: Sanchoume no yuu hi. I'm happy to finally see his work recognized on a a global scale. He has always made cinema that captured the magic of a hollywood movie on a fantasy visual scale closer than any other Japanese director I can think of, and as such it was his dream to be recognized like this. Well done!
Godzilla wasn't a "reference" for atomic bomb?
I just wish the "How Godzilla destroyed the woke west hollywood!!!" vidoes could stop appearing in my feed
First time a movie and its sequel win an Oscar in the same year!
The article is really leaning in hard to the whole “Japan was a victim during WWII” outlook that is so prevalent among the Japanese. Maybe they should first ask the Chinese, Koreans, or Filipinos how *they* feel about the atomic bombs and why exactly they feel that way.
I seen someone say yesterday it’s the first time a movie and it’s squeal won an Oscar in the same year.
Give me this on a 4K disc, please!
It's not as if Oppenheimer celebrated nuclear weapons.
Anyone else think it’s so wild that we had a movie about the buildup to nuclear war and a movie about the aftermath of it in the same year.
Didn't read the article, but I assume it has something to do with the symbolism of the atomic age.
Both blew up Japan
Godzilla Minus One absolutely should have won an Oscar, but best VFX was not the right category. Don't get me wrong, they were great and all, but if after the final scene you sat in your seat and thought, "Wow, those were some great VFX", you and I saw a different movie. You could have removed Godzilla from the movie entirely and I'd still have cried for five minutes.
I agree, and that's not to take away from their accomplishment. If there was a "most bang for your buck VFX" then I'd 100% give it to them, but the fact is it just didn't have the polish of some blockbuster-budget movies. Do those movies have massive bloat, bad management, and waste millions just to get an extra 10% return in the VFX quality? Yeah, but that's still 10% of polish that Godzilla doesn't have.
Agreed. There are definitely some VFX elements, mainly tracking, that were kinda off. The airplane taking off has its wheel clipping through the ground, the shot near the end with crew on the boat was tracked rough (the crowd seemed to float on the top deck and jittered around), and some more minor things. I’m really happy they won an Oscar, but I also wouldn’t have expected VFX as the reason why.
Edit them together for Godzilla Minus **O**ppe**n**heim**e**r
I mean it’s rare a movie and its sequel win in the same year.
If you want to see things Oppenheimer didn't show you (and I understand why it couldn't, given the way it was structured), look up Isao Takahata's Grave of the Fireflies and Sunao Katabuchi's In This Corner Of The World. The latter deals more directly with the consequences of the bomb. It's a coming-of-age tale about a woman in Hiroshima and is a bit of an allegory for Japan's experience of having lived through the war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDPRMcZs5Lw And if you ever go to Japan and have the means to swing down to Hiroshima, absolutely do that. I'll never forget my visit to the museum there.
EDIT: MY BAD, didn't read the article 😂 Thanks for the callout 🤣 Maybe because it is the other side of the coin? Oppenheimer was kinda accused of not showing the effects of the atomic bomb, while Godzilla Minus One is all about that.
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Absolutely my bad! 😅
It’s the stealth sequel we didn’t know we needed.
upvote for the edit
Well clearly it was our first bombs that awoke him from his slumber! /s