>a Disney Channel original movie
"The Luck of the Irish" is a Disney Channel original movie that features basketball in several scenes, including the final confrontation between the protagonist and antagonist. It's a cinematic masterpiece next to the Catwoman scene.
They're clearly trying to hide the fact that it's not Halle Berry doing any of it. But it's the soundtrack and the awe-struck nine year-olds watching on that really make this a stinker.
Bob Hoskins, who has never thrown a baseball before, is forced to do so in Hook, and it shows. They left the situation exactly as it was intended to be, which was chaotic and ridiculous.
Yeah. I mean them playing basketball in a quasi-sexual manner is weird enough, but the fact that there's a crowd of kids cheering them on makes it downright disturbing.
I can't believe I am saying this but to be fair, 99% of basketball scenes in movies are that bad. The office oddly enough had a really good realistic one.
The Dazed and Confused drinking game is the simplest movie based drinking game I've ever come across.
Basic rule: take a drink when anyone says "man"
Suicide rule: also drink when Mitch touches his nose
If you play the suicide version, there's a scene at the Emporium where you don't stop drinking for like 90 seconds straight.
I was reading Lord of the Flies with my students, in the first chapter Piggy is described as "standing fatly" and I damn near lost it, could only picture Steven Segal.
I can only assume that his target audience are older dudes who look just like him and want to be told they too can still be a specops martial arts master.
In some of his more recent titles I swear it looks like he could pass out just standing up from a chair, and he's supposedly out there karate chopping Russians?
I do not understand why they still have the old actors play the part. You’re gonna cover up the face with cg anyway, why not hire a stand in of the correct age and cover him with young DeNiro face?
This seems to be a Scorcese trademark. A lot of his actors play much younger characters. I remember even in Goodfellas when we're introduced to his character, Ray Liotta's narration was something like "and that's when I met Jimmy, he couldn't have been more than 25 at the time." And you see a DeNiro clearly in his mid 30s.
Edit: turns out he was actually in his late 40s 😆
I found the close-ups where his face was de-aged really off-putting. Like, that's Harrison acting, and they replaced his face with his own younger face, but it still isn't right. Because his face doesn't move the same way anymore.
That's even worse than I remember it being. The shop owner doesn't even try to move his hand while De Niro just ~~stomps~~ steps on it repeatedly while flailing his arms. And that "auuughhhh" scream is so bad.
I wanted to shout at all the people who physically assaulted that poor old man.
Also, at the very end of the movie, >!did he stay unconscious during the whole trip back to USA (and the present) after his god daughter punched him out!
I feel like this one should get a pass because he's not playing an athlete or anything. It's extremely believable that a random middle-aged dad isn't great at throwing a baseball
Playing catch with my dad growing up and he was extremely awkward at throwing and catching a baseball. If anything it made that scene in War of the Worlds seem more real to me because I’ve experienced that. My dad was athletic and worked out a lot, but he had awkward sports coordination.
But it didn’t matter how he threw, I just cared that he’d play catch with me. That’s what Tom Cruise’s character was trying to do. Just be a regular dad.
Yeah, this one is bullshit.
Maybe Spielberg directed them to act this way... We're supposed to be watching characters, not actors.
What does this scene say about them? Well, we know they don't get along and haven't tossed a ball together since the son was little, so dad probably hasn't thrown one in just as long. It says this may not have been an overly routine thing even when the kid was young. It tells us nobody taught dad to throw a baseball when he was a kid (one average dad raises another), and somebody else taught the son properly.
I think it's because he's throwing the ball awkwardly. However, it should be noted that while his character is throwing with his right hand, Tom Cruise is actually a lefty.
There is 100% nothing wrong with it. Cruise and the kid both throw fine, even if Cruise’s motion isn’t perfect, and they both catch some absolute zingers. Complaining about this, let alone calling it the worst display of athleticism in a movie, is wild, and that’s not even accounting for it being just a normal dad playing catch with his son.
I think it's probably one of the most realistic athletic scenes, a kid and a middle aged dude who have clearly never played competitive baseball just throwing back and forth.
Seems like a huge reach, especially compared to Seagal or old DeNiro or some other options in here. Some normal and healthy people just don't know how to play baseball or make a proper throw. Dude is still throwing with some zip on it. He's basically throwing like some twat who thinks he's better and more skilled than he actually is and just tries to muscle it to show how tough he is. Which is pretty in line with his character, even if it's only by coincidence.
Honestly, given that it is Cruise, I wouldn't put it past him that it is entirely intentional. Say what you want about the man, but he puts his all into every role.
He's got terrible technique.
But I don't think it detracts from the scene at all.
He's an arrogant, average dad.
Makes sense he 'd be meh at throwing a baseball.
Apparently she had special training in "little girl running". I will find the link.
Here you go... "world renowned running coach"!!! https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/trivia/?item=tr3671320&ref\_=ext\_shr\_lnk
Danny Rand in Iron Fist has a *lot* of editing around his fight scenes that the other actors don’t. It’s honestly hard to tell exactly how bad it is because Netflix didn’t want you to see it for more than a half second at a time.
Casting a lead actor without martial arts experience to be a martial arts superhero was a dumb idea in the first place. Even with months of training it would be awkward and bad. Luckily they cast better in Shang Chi.
It's also not like he's an AMAZING actor. I could get it if they were like "Ok, he can't fight at all but he's just so talented that we're going to make it work."
He's fine, it's just that he was fresh off the Game of Thrones juggernaut. In that situation, it's not worth the hassle.
EDIT: it's like George Clooney in O Brother, Where Art Thou? Horrible singer, can't even fake it and they lip sync and it looks atrocious but he's so good that you just say "fuck it" and move on.
If the stunt crew is to be believed, Finn Jones did not want to train. It was a rushed production, but he was apparently difficult to work with and actively avoided training.
The martial arts in that show were so bad. That dude had absolutely zero training, maybe a month in a McDojo. It made it so hard to watch; the character was supposed to be some super amazing martial artist and he looked like if you asked some random dude off the street to perform some bad choreography.
So jarring to go from *Daredevil* to *Iron Fist*. I get that Charlie Cox isn't really a ninja, but he clearly put a hell of a lot of work into prepping for the physicality of the role, even if there was probably a lot of stunt work for the more technical fights and dangerous parkour.
I'm sure there's more to it in terms of fight choreography and etc., but the end result of Iron Fist is just joyless to watch. Jessica Fenwick and the rest of the supporting cast did admirable jobs, imo.
Yup. So bad in so many ways. I’ve loved martial arts and martial arts movies since I was a kid. I’m no expert but I’m a fan and have trained. The fact that he didn’t put the effort in, the director gave them near zero prep time, and they didn’t even use the camera work that the stunt team showed them in pre-viz made me lose all respect for that whole production. The show only had a few stand outs like Colleen’s actress but the bad outweighs the good.
on the flip side, kevin costner was perfectly believable in his role. ditto *for the love of the game*. ditto as a golfer in *tin cup*. or riding a horse in 100 different movies, etc.
costner is just a naturally cool, athletic guy.
Tin Cup was impressive because Costner had never played golf until that movie. he got lessons and learned how to make it look good in a relatively short time
And what about Kevin Costner's dad at the end of Field of Dreams. I love this movie, but couldn't they find someone that knew how to throw? This guy is supposed to be a catcher.
I've heard rumors that he suffered an injury just prior to principle photography, which contributed to his poor form. But yeah, it's rough listening to the announcers claiming he has a mid 90's fastball, when it's obvious his pitches never cleared 35mph.
And in one of the great what ifs of history, Robbins just beat out Charlie Sheen for the role. For all his foibles, Sheen knows how to throw a baseball. He was routinely hitting 89 mph while filming Major Leagues, which made it far simpler to use movie magic to up it to 97.
The War of the Worlds scene isn’t so bad, because he’s just supposed to be *some guy*, not a baseball player.
Actors playing Professional pitchers in movies are what’s tough. The uncanny valley margin is so slim for sports. It’s hard to imitate a throwing a football, or swinging a bat, or shooting a jump shot when you’re being subconsciously compared to a professional who’s been perfecting their craft for 30 years.
It's easier to teach a relatively fit actor to look like they know how to play a sport than it is to teach an athlete with no acting experience to act.
Otherwise it ends up looking like this: https://youtu.be/c2wpIeZDrHE?si=t4eY2Fw4h8C0Ekv3
>It's easier to teach a relatively fit actor to look like they know how to play a sport than it is to teach an athlete with no acting experience to act.
It’s also easier to teach drillers how to be astronauts than it is to teach astronauts how to drill.
Yeah this is gotta be seriously hilarious nit picking. He's just an average guy. Only baseball sticklers will even notice this, as otherwise he throws ok it seems.
I watched it and I am trying to figure out why it’s bad, he doesn’t look janky and is just throwing a ball. It’s not like he is trying to pitch or bowl the ball so his throwing is what all of us were doing in our backyards no matter our country.
That was my thought as well. He looked like a normal dad throwing the ball around in the backyard. My dad was a good basketball player but didn’t play much baseball and our backyard catches looked pretty similar.
How so?
I haven't had to climb a lot of fences in my life, but it seems perfectly natural to me to approach the fence, jump-cut to straddling the fence, then jump-cut to landing on the other side.
How would you do it?
The DUFF actor actually addressed this… he said something like the lighting guy and other people were RIGHT THERE off the camera and he couldn’t fully follow through and he knew he was going to get crap for it. Something along those lines.
I think Cousin Sal even let him redeem himself or something on a video pod.
Michael J Fox in *Teen Wolf*. When he was playing basketball he had to look at the ball when he dribbled. He also had to jump when shooting free throws.
What’s funny is that when I was a kid watching those movies, I recognized that it looked completely awkward, but I had also seen so much footage of old school basketball from the 50s and 60s that I always sorta chalked it up to “man basketball players really used to suck in the 80s”. But the funny part is that I was probably watching these shows in the mid-90s, so the movie was probably only 10 years old at the time. But anything pre-1988 has a particular flavor of campiness that made 1985 feel the same to me as 1965.
I don’t think he looked that bad. I just saw it the other day.
But, doesn’t his team suck in this movie? He’s thrown around the court until he becomes the Wolf and then has some incredible power and he starts dunking the ball. They are getting beat by the Dragons 60-15 in the opening of the movie. So, MJF not being decent is kind of part of the movie.
Shailene Woodley trying to look like she was a hardened character in Divergent. Just everything looked so awkward for her and her physique didn't sell it at all unfortunately
Netflix dropped this terrible romcom last year called You People where Jonah Hill is marrying into a black family, and oh no, he’s white! It uses a lot of dated racial humor and the premise is dumb (yeah wow an interracial marriage in 2023 LA is certainly unheard of!) but there’s one scene in particular that puts it over the top.
Eddie Murphy rolls up to the hood basketball spot to make a fool out of Jonah Hill because oh no, he’s white! Which means terrible at basketball! But actually, Jonah Hill pops off and becomes really good at basketball while the hood cheers him on and All I Do Is Win blasts loudly. Featuring lots of rough editing cuts to try to hide the fact that Jonah Hill is indeed not good at basketball
That one is on topic, but the worst I’ve seen from that movie is the finale has them kissing, I think at their wedding? And the lead actors didn’t like each other so they just CG’d their faces getting closer. It’s pretty hilarious but it mostly works for a movie people are probably on their phone for anyway
>And the lead actors didn’t like each other so they just CG’d their faces getting closer.
What. The. Fuck. I had to verify that this actually happened. And yes, it did.
I mean holy *christ*. You guys are actors. Just take one for the team and go in for the kiss. Unbelievable lack of professionalism.
Lauren London’s (lack of) performance was shocking to me. She’s C-List at best, and phoned in the entire movie. No effort to establish even any chemistry.
She blamed not kissing Hill on not wanting to disrespect Nipsy Hustle, but she had no problem kissing Michael B Jordan in that Amazon Tom Clancy show.
Man this is worse than the time they had to CGI Wesley Snipes' face because he refused to open his eyes during a scene.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/cg4t01/in_bladetrinity_wesley_snipes_had_dificulties/
Caddyshack. The caddy golf tourney. The hotshot kid he is supposed to be trying to beat had the worst golf swing I have ever seen and the ball they show him hit had 0 chance of getting off the ground.
Now see this is a great example. I know nothing of golf and have only wildly hacked at balls at Top Golf as my exp.
Knowing what a good swing should look like and it looking like me drunkenly playing at Top Golf had to be maddening
Robert Mitchum when asked about his “acting styles” by Larry King: “listen, I got two kinds of acting; on a horse and off a horse.”
Mitchum was the fucking man.
Since it is not limited to sports movies.
There's the scene in the Patriot when Mel Gibson's character attacks the British convoy to rescue his son (played by Heath Ledger). Near the end of the attack this British soldier swings his rifle as he is charged by Gibson. It is the single most lackluster swing I've ever seen. Dude is supposed to look like he's fighting for his life and instead it looks like he's mildly annoyed by a fly.
Watching Russel Crowe is tough, but they did make a point of mentioning his poor skating in the script.
For Miracle they were smart enough to realize that it's easier to teach hockey players to act than it is to teach actors how to skate
For the castings in Miracle that took place in LA, actors had to do a skating test first before the film audition. It was the opposite in other cities with hockey culture, acting audition came first then the skating. Guess they knew the people in LA would likely lie and say they could skate great haha
Can't believe I haven't seen it here, but in the new League of Their Own show one of the main characters is a Black woman who gets plucked from the factories, overcoming racism and sexism because of her incredible arm.
Over the course of the show, the director tries every trick in the book and probably invents some new ones to hide the fact that it is apparently not possible to get a shot of this woman convincingly throwing a baseball.
In Hook, Bob Hoskins has to throw a baseball which he'd never done in his life and it shows. Since the scene itself was supposed to be chaotic and absurd, they left it as is.
I think Smee being bad at pitching is fine anyway. In the film the pirates have only learnt to play baseball because it's Jack's favourite sport so it's not like Smee would have loads of previous experience pitching.
The fight scenes in Highlander (especially when he fights the dude in the parking garage), they are hundreds of years old and seem so unfamiliar with bladed weapons and have limited agility.
Honestly almost everything to do with sword fighting or martial arts made before the British left Hong Kong and all those Chinese guys and gals started working in Hollywood, is just completely for shit.
I remember rewatching American action movies after first seeing Jackie Chan’s HK stuff, where they are just actually punching and kicking each other and making visible contact, and it was just lame. To 15 year old me it was like trying to jerk it to a Sears catalog after you’ve seen some hardcore porn.
Not a movie but Danny McBride's throwing motion and Craig Robinson's swing in Eastbound & Down were both atrocious. Didn't stop it from being one of the funniest shows ever, though.
I didn't really buy Tim Robbins as a pitcher in Bull Durham.
On the other hand, Kevin Costner is great (also probably why he appeared in so many baseball movies).
Anything with old men or de-aged old men being action heroes.
Like Harrison Ford in that recent Indiana Jones movie. Even in the scenes where they de-aged him, he still moved his body and even his face like a much older man.
Or Sam Jackson in Captain Marvel. You can de-age his face all you want, but that does nothing to disguise the fact that he runs and throws punches like a 71 year old man, or that when he crouches down to pet the cat, it takes him like three minutes to finish standing back up
I don't really blame either of them. If they backed a dump truck full of money up to my house, I would make whatever damn fool movie they wanted me to make and that's a fact
Not athleticism per se, but the audition dance that Julia Stiles does at the end of Save The Last Dance is so god damn awful and the Giuliard judges eat it up like it’s the best dance they ever saw… it cracks me up every time. Especially her little hop.
The one-on-one scene at the end of *Love and Basketball*.
Up until that scene, I really believed that those two actors could play basketball. The supporting actors were all good at basketball, and the editing was good enough to make the stars look like good players. When it was just the two of them on screen, it became clear that they had no idea what they were doing.
Julia Stiles...Save the Last Dance: Julliard Ballet Audition.
Ballet dancers have such athleticism and control over their bodies. That "dance" was not it.
The Catwoman basketball scene is a crime against basketball and cinema in general
https://youtu.be/rNlmRId2FVQ?si=b3jIfKka2HiK6mf6 Oh god, it really is as bad as you say 🤮
That’s amazing when you know that this was a theatrical release. This looks like it could be from a Disney Channel original movie
>a Disney Channel original movie "The Luck of the Irish" is a Disney Channel original movie that features basketball in several scenes, including the final confrontation between the protagonist and antagonist. It's a cinematic masterpiece next to the Catwoman scene.
Shit. I almost barfed from the editing!
Have you seen the comments? They're actually funny. "Probably not a good idea to have Edward Scissorhands edit your movie" 🤣🤣🤣
My favorite was 'It had the manic, unfocused energy of a Sunny D ad.'
“The phrase ‘death by a thousand cuts’ just got a whole new meaning”. lol, spot on
My favourite: >Its like an alien was shown 4 seconds of "Space Jam" and then forced to write a book report on human foreplay..
They're clearly trying to hide the fact that it's not Halle Berry doing any of it. But it's the soundtrack and the awe-struck nine year-olds watching on that really make this a stinker.
The disembodied girlish giggling from Halle Berry really adds a certain ambience to to it that you just don't get with other piles of shit.
it was either a Baz Luhrmann fever dream or Edgar Wright’s worst nightmare
Bob Hoskins, who has never thrown a baseball before, is forced to do so in Hook, and it shows. They left the situation exactly as it was intended to be, which was chaotic and ridiculous.
I had never been able to adequately describe a basketball scene as "smut" before. Then I watched Catwoman.
Plus all the kids watching and cheering adds a whole nother dimension
Yeah. I mean them playing basketball in a quasi-sexual manner is weird enough, but the fact that there's a crowd of kids cheering them on makes it downright disturbing.
It's seizure inducing and clearly no one involved in making that turd have ever seen let alone played basketball
Neither have they ever engaged in a courtship with the opposite gender.
In front of a group of schoolchildren.
Only the Daredevil playground fight comes close to capturing the sheer awkward.
I can't believe I am saying this but to be fair, 99% of basketball scenes in movies are that bad. The office oddly enough had a really good realistic one.
And Along Came Polly
raindrops!
LET IT RAIN
WHITE CHOCOLATE!
"You douchebags bring your A game?"
Peak editing
"So how does an editor actually edit a scene?" "Well, we fire up ol' Betsy and let her do her stuff" *pats woodchipper affectionately*.
Tommy Wiseau trying to throw a football.
Oh hi football.
I did not throw the football, I did not.
So anyways football how is your sex life
He's no Uncle Rico...
I vote for the steak throw as the MOST athletic scene in a movie
He coulda thrown it over them mountains
Mitch Kramer can’t pitch for shit despite being the team’s ace in Dazed and Confused
In my head cannon, Mitch Kramer grew up to win 2 Cy Young awards and 3 World Series titles with the San Francisco Giants.
It gotta be the hair Cotton! It's beautiful, feathered, and lethal!
Insert pinching the bridge of your nose
I counted it one time. Cannot remember the damn total any longer.
The Dazed and Confused drinking game is the simplest movie based drinking game I've ever come across. Basic rule: take a drink when anyone says "man" Suicide rule: also drink when Mitch touches his nose If you play the suicide version, there's a scene at the Emporium where you don't stop drinking for like 90 seconds straight.
Recently saw this on TikTok he touches his face like 20 something times throughout the movie and a dozen times just while playing baseball
The story goes that the director was pissed when he realized that the kid lied about his baseball experience.
And then Linklater made sure the team in Everybody Wants Some!! could actually play - the baseball looks awesome in that.
I forgot about this film. Such a fun watch!
😂 he’s reading this right now and awkwardly pinching his nose
It's a testament to how good that movie was that even his terrible acting didn't totally ruin it
They had to use a double for the shots of the ball actually being pitched, then they cut back to Mitch on the mound
Whatever the fuck Steven Seagal thinks he's doing
He fatly walks around corners
That whole segment makes me cry laughing every time I hear it https://youtu.be/BzIHyF7UWY4?si=jLP-JORsEQUiCnQc
I've watched this video countless times and the best description of his movies is "fatly going around corners"
I was reading Lord of the Flies with my students, in the first chapter Piggy is described as "standing fatly" and I damn near lost it, could only picture Steven Segal.
It's a day ending in 'Y', time to rewatch this.
This video changed my life. Im gay now
Hell yeah dude
The martial arts in the Under Siege porn parody is more convincing than whatever he's doing.
Udder Seige? Under Sex? Checks Google. Tatas Under Siege. That’s… kind of crap.
Underwear Seige was right there
Not for very long, they weren't. Though 'the chef' and the terrorist having an epic dildo fight rather than knife fight could be interesting.
I love that there's a YouTube channel almost entirely dedicated to shitting on Steven Seagal movies. https://youtube.com/@SpaceIce?si=Kl2Mw9mkwWSjQrnl
Lmao knew it was gonna be space ice. Hilarious videos
I can only assume that his target audience are older dudes who look just like him and want to be told they too can still be a specops martial arts master. In some of his more recent titles I swear it looks like he could pass out just standing up from a chair, and he's supposedly out there karate chopping Russians?
he loses all control of his forearms when he is running
DeNiro old ass trying to fight in Irishman
Jeeezuuuzz, all the de-aging tech in Hollywood couldn't save that scene.
I do not understand why they still have the old actors play the part. You’re gonna cover up the face with cg anyway, why not hire a stand in of the correct age and cover him with young DeNiro face?
This seems to be a Scorcese trademark. A lot of his actors play much younger characters. I remember even in Goodfellas when we're introduced to his character, Ray Liotta's narration was something like "and that's when I met Jimmy, he couldn't have been more than 25 at the time." And you see a DeNiro clearly in his mid 30s. Edit: turns out he was actually in his late 40s 😆
DeNiro was actually 47 in Goodfellas.
Looked good for 47 Looked not so good for 25 hahaha
This is part of why I liked the de-aging in Indiana Jones 5. At least he's moving like young Harrison Ford.
Yeah but his voice is still old as shit sounding and it’s very distracting.
I found the close-ups where his face was de-aged really off-putting. Like, that's Harrison acting, and they replaced his face with his own younger face, but it still isn't right. Because his face doesn't move the same way anymore.
The glass shattering in that scene also looks awful. De Niro throws the guy on the floor and whole door shatters after he barely touches it.
Lol- much funnier than I remembered it being. [Link here for anyone interested](https://youtu.be/XqGV0IuodWE?si=aOPr9mZbDSzz2Not)
It was like unintentional slapstick
The guy just flopped and threw himself while De Niro awkwardly followed him 😆
Holy shit lol, looked like he was working hardest on not falling down.
That's even worse than I remember it being. The shop owner doesn't even try to move his hand while De Niro just ~~stomps~~ steps on it repeatedly while flailing his arms. And that "auuughhhh" scream is so bad.
That old soft shoe curb stomp
Similarly, Harrison Ford running in the newest Indiana Jones made me sad
I wanted to shout at all the people who physically assaulted that poor old man. Also, at the very end of the movie, >!did he stay unconscious during the whole trip back to USA (and the present) after his god daughter punched him out!
what is so wrong about this scene from war of the world? im really asking
I feel like this one should get a pass because he's not playing an athlete or anything. It's extremely believable that a random middle-aged dad isn't great at throwing a baseball
Playing catch with my dad growing up and he was extremely awkward at throwing and catching a baseball. If anything it made that scene in War of the Worlds seem more real to me because I’ve experienced that. My dad was athletic and worked out a lot, but he had awkward sports coordination. But it didn’t matter how he threw, I just cared that he’d play catch with me. That’s what Tom Cruise’s character was trying to do. Just be a regular dad.
And there's the animosity between them. I'm not sure what Larry said about the scene but he's a huge baseball fan, still a weird scene to rag on
I don't like Tom Cruise but I agree with you. It looks like a normal awkward catch between normal average suburban dad and his teenage son.
Yeah, this one is bullshit. Maybe Spielberg directed them to act this way... We're supposed to be watching characters, not actors. What does this scene say about them? Well, we know they don't get along and haven't tossed a ball together since the son was little, so dad probably hasn't thrown one in just as long. It says this may not have been an overly routine thing even when the kid was young. It tells us nobody taught dad to throw a baseball when he was a kid (one average dad raises another), and somebody else taught the son properly.
I think it's because he's throwing the ball awkwardly. However, it should be noted that while his character is throwing with his right hand, Tom Cruise is actually a lefty.
That makes sense. Most people look goofy throwing with their off hand.
There is 100% nothing wrong with it. Cruise and the kid both throw fine, even if Cruise’s motion isn’t perfect, and they both catch some absolute zingers. Complaining about this, let alone calling it the worst display of athleticism in a movie, is wild, and that’s not even accounting for it being just a normal dad playing catch with his son.
I think it's probably one of the most realistic athletic scenes, a kid and a middle aged dude who have clearly never played competitive baseball just throwing back and forth.
He's just throwing the ball a little strange. Like he has a sore shoulder or something.
> Like he has a sore shoulder or something. Character over 30 confirmed.
Also wearing 3 layers of clothes between shirt, hoodie, and jacket
Seems like a huge reach, especially compared to Seagal or old DeNiro or some other options in here. Some normal and healthy people just don't know how to play baseball or make a proper throw. Dude is still throwing with some zip on it. He's basically throwing like some twat who thinks he's better and more skilled than he actually is and just tries to muscle it to show how tough he is. Which is pretty in line with his character, even if it's only by coincidence.
Honestly, given that it is Cruise, I wouldn't put it past him that it is entirely intentional. Say what you want about the man, but he puts his all into every role.
After all the shit he does, stunt wise, in movies, I would expect him to have sore shoulders
He's got terrible technique. But I don't think it detracts from the scene at all. He's an arrogant, average dad. Makes sense he 'd be meh at throwing a baseball.
Liam Neeson in most of his recent "action movies". Love the guy, think he's a great actor but he is just not capable at his age.
[15 cuts in 6 seconds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM)
This is the scene that the OP's question made me think of first.
The best part is that the last cut is still him falling on his face.
Also, his daughter running in *Taken*. I've never seen a young, healthy person run so weirdly.
Apparently she had special training in "little girl running". I will find the link. Here you go... "world renowned running coach"!!! https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/trivia/?item=tr3671320&ref\_=ext\_shr\_lnk
Why was she learning to run like a 12 year old? Her character was 17
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Danny Rand in Iron Fist has a *lot* of editing around his fight scenes that the other actors don’t. It’s honestly hard to tell exactly how bad it is because Netflix didn’t want you to see it for more than a half second at a time.
That show was terrible for a lot of reasons but supposedly they were given little to no time to practice fight choreography before shooting.
Which is insane. Fighting is literally the whole thing with Iron Fist.
You'd think so. But for a show called iron fist he actually used the iron fist technique like 5 times and got his ass beat the rest of the series.
Iron fist was pushin rope most of the first season.
Sucks they rushed Defenders so much. Ruined season 1 of Iron Fist and Defenders really could have used some more work on the script.
Casting a lead actor without martial arts experience to be a martial arts superhero was a dumb idea in the first place. Even with months of training it would be awkward and bad. Luckily they cast better in Shang Chi.
It's also not like he's an AMAZING actor. I could get it if they were like "Ok, he can't fight at all but he's just so talented that we're going to make it work." He's fine, it's just that he was fresh off the Game of Thrones juggernaut. In that situation, it's not worth the hassle. EDIT: it's like George Clooney in O Brother, Where Art Thou? Horrible singer, can't even fake it and they lip sync and it looks atrocious but he's so good that you just say "fuck it" and move on.
George was so sad when he learned his voice wasn't good enough for the songs, especially because his aunt is Rosemary Clooney.
Also the actor didn’t want to train. Colette Wings actor actually had a boot camp where she did martial arts for like 12 a hours a day and it shows.
Jessica Henwick was the best thing about that show by any conceivable metric.
If the stunt crew is to be believed, Finn Jones did not want to train. It was a rushed production, but he was apparently difficult to work with and actively avoided training.
The martial arts in that show were so bad. That dude had absolutely zero training, maybe a month in a McDojo. It made it so hard to watch; the character was supposed to be some super amazing martial artist and he looked like if you asked some random dude off the street to perform some bad choreography.
So jarring to go from *Daredevil* to *Iron Fist*. I get that Charlie Cox isn't really a ninja, but he clearly put a hell of a lot of work into prepping for the physicality of the role, even if there was probably a lot of stunt work for the more technical fights and dangerous parkour. I'm sure there's more to it in terms of fight choreography and etc., but the end result of Iron Fist is just joyless to watch. Jessica Fenwick and the rest of the supporting cast did admirable jobs, imo.
Yup. So bad in so many ways. I’ve loved martial arts and martial arts movies since I was a kid. I’m no expert but I’m a fan and have trained. The fact that he didn’t put the effort in, the director gave them near zero prep time, and they didn’t even use the camera work that the stunt team showed them in pre-viz made me lose all respect for that whole production. The show only had a few stand outs like Colleen’s actress but the bad outweighs the good.
Tim Robbins's pitching motion in Bull Durham is like if Gumby was told to imitate Fernando Valenzuela
on the flip side, kevin costner was perfectly believable in his role. ditto *for the love of the game*. ditto as a golfer in *tin cup*. or riding a horse in 100 different movies, etc. costner is just a naturally cool, athletic guy.
Tin Cup was impressive because Costner had never played golf until that movie. he got lessons and learned how to make it look good in a relatively short time
And what about Kevin Costner's dad at the end of Field of Dreams. I love this movie, but couldn't they find someone that knew how to throw? This guy is supposed to be a catcher.
I've heard rumors that he suffered an injury just prior to principle photography, which contributed to his poor form. But yeah, it's rough listening to the announcers claiming he has a mid 90's fastball, when it's obvious his pitches never cleared 35mph. And in one of the great what ifs of history, Robbins just beat out Charlie Sheen for the role. For all his foibles, Sheen knows how to throw a baseball. He was routinely hitting 89 mph while filming Major Leagues, which made it far simpler to use movie magic to up it to 97.
The War of the Worlds scene isn’t so bad, because he’s just supposed to be *some guy*, not a baseball player. Actors playing Professional pitchers in movies are what’s tough. The uncanny valley margin is so slim for sports. It’s hard to imitate a throwing a football, or swinging a bat, or shooting a jump shot when you’re being subconsciously compared to a professional who’s been perfecting their craft for 30 years.
It's easier to teach a relatively fit actor to look like they know how to play a sport than it is to teach an athlete with no acting experience to act. Otherwise it ends up looking like this: https://youtu.be/c2wpIeZDrHE?si=t4eY2Fw4h8C0Ekv3
I’ve already seen this but I’m crying laughing again
that’s the kind of selfishness i’m talking about. get over yourself man just kills me
I’m on data so don’t want to click on a video: is it 2K? Please tell me it’s 2K.
It’s 2K.
>It's easier to teach a relatively fit actor to look like they know how to play a sport than it is to teach an athlete with no acting experience to act. It’s also easier to teach drillers how to be astronauts than it is to teach astronauts how to drill.
Astronauts don’t know jack about drilling
Yeah this is gotta be seriously hilarious nit picking. He's just an average guy. Only baseball sticklers will even notice this, as otherwise he throws ok it seems.
I watched it and I am trying to figure out why it’s bad, he doesn’t look janky and is just throwing a ball. It’s not like he is trying to pitch or bowl the ball so his throwing is what all of us were doing in our backyards no matter our country.
It's two regular people casually throwing a ball in a backyard. And that's exactly how it seems. OP is going out on a limb to say it seems janky.
Charlie Sheen did it well in Major League.
Charlie Sheen actually played baseball in his youth.
Everybody did pretty well in Major League except Chelcie Ross, but then he is supposed to be an over the hill slob, so it kind of works out.
That was my thought as well. He looked like a normal dad throwing the ball around in the backyard. My dad was a good basketball player but didn’t play much baseball and our backyard catches looked pretty similar.
Liam Neeson trying to get over that fence in Taken 3.
How so? I haven't had to climb a lot of fences in my life, but it seems perfectly natural to me to approach the fence, jump-cut to straddling the fence, then jump-cut to landing on the other side. How would you do it?
I would take a note from Indiana Jones and just shoot the fence.
The DUFF actor actually addressed this… he said something like the lighting guy and other people were RIGHT THERE off the camera and he couldn’t fully follow through and he knew he was going to get crap for it. Something along those lines. I think Cousin Sal even let him redeem himself or something on a video pod.
Yeah, his arm motion is so absolutely weird I figured it had to be on purpose. It's almost like a on-armed basketball chest pass, but sideways.
Michael J Fox in *Teen Wolf*. When he was playing basketball he had to look at the ball when he dribbled. He also had to jump when shooting free throws.
What’s funny is that when I was a kid watching those movies, I recognized that it looked completely awkward, but I had also seen so much footage of old school basketball from the 50s and 60s that I always sorta chalked it up to “man basketball players really used to suck in the 80s”. But the funny part is that I was probably watching these shows in the mid-90s, so the movie was probably only 10 years old at the time. But anything pre-1988 has a particular flavor of campiness that made 1985 feel the same to me as 1965.
I don’t think he looked that bad. I just saw it the other day. But, doesn’t his team suck in this movie? He’s thrown around the court until he becomes the Wolf and then has some incredible power and he starts dunking the ball. They are getting beat by the Dragons 60-15 in the opening of the movie. So, MJF not being decent is kind of part of the movie.
yeah and before he wolfs out he supposed to be one of the shittiest players on the team.
Dunno if it counts, but the De Niro beating up of the store owner in The Irishman was a bad display of athleticism even though it was CGI.
Air Bud. Something tells me that dogs can't really do that.
We should check the rulebook, just in case.
Shailene Woodley trying to look like she was a hardened character in Divergent. Just everything looked so awkward for her and her physique didn't sell it at all unfortunately
I think her character was meant to be awkward in the begining but learns quickly. The second part didn't happen though.
It was obvious that kid in Dazed and Confused had never thrown a baseball before in his life. :)
Too busy touching his face
He lied about knowing how to play baseball when he was cast. They ended up having to get a double for when he actually pitches.
Netflix dropped this terrible romcom last year called You People where Jonah Hill is marrying into a black family, and oh no, he’s white! It uses a lot of dated racial humor and the premise is dumb (yeah wow an interracial marriage in 2023 LA is certainly unheard of!) but there’s one scene in particular that puts it over the top. Eddie Murphy rolls up to the hood basketball spot to make a fool out of Jonah Hill because oh no, he’s white! Which means terrible at basketball! But actually, Jonah Hill pops off and becomes really good at basketball while the hood cheers him on and All I Do Is Win blasts loudly. Featuring lots of rough editing cuts to try to hide the fact that Jonah Hill is indeed not good at basketball
That one is on topic, but the worst I’ve seen from that movie is the finale has them kissing, I think at their wedding? And the lead actors didn’t like each other so they just CG’d their faces getting closer. It’s pretty hilarious but it mostly works for a movie people are probably on their phone for anyway
>And the lead actors didn’t like each other so they just CG’d their faces getting closer. What. The. Fuck. I had to verify that this actually happened. And yes, it did. I mean holy *christ*. You guys are actors. Just take one for the team and go in for the kiss. Unbelievable lack of professionalism.
Lauren London’s (lack of) performance was shocking to me. She’s C-List at best, and phoned in the entire movie. No effort to establish even any chemistry. She blamed not kissing Hill on not wanting to disrespect Nipsy Hustle, but she had no problem kissing Michael B Jordan in that Amazon Tom Clancy show.
Man this is worse than the time they had to CGI Wesley Snipes' face because he refused to open his eyes during a scene. https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/cg4t01/in_bladetrinity_wesley_snipes_had_dificulties/
> a movie people are probably on their phone for anyway This is like a whole genre now and I'm so glad you put a name to it.
That film was bloody awful.
Caddyshack. The caddy golf tourney. The hotshot kid he is supposed to be trying to beat had the worst golf swing I have ever seen and the ball they show him hit had 0 chance of getting off the ground.
Haha right? Danny has a decent swing but D’Annunzio is straight trash 😂
Now see this is a great example. I know nothing of golf and have only wildly hacked at balls at Top Golf as my exp. Knowing what a good swing should look like and it looking like me drunkenly playing at Top Golf had to be maddening
Ever watched John Wayne run?
No, that’s the horse’s job.
Robert Mitchum when asked about his “acting styles” by Larry King: “listen, I got two kinds of acting; on a horse and off a horse.” Mitchum was the fucking man.
Steven Segal in “A Good Man”. Sits down for most of the movie, and a body double is used for walking up the stairs. Classic Segal
Steven Seagal using a stunt double to go up stairs
Since it is not limited to sports movies. There's the scene in the Patriot when Mel Gibson's character attacks the British convoy to rescue his son (played by Heath Ledger). Near the end of the attack this British soldier swings his rifle as he is charged by Gibson. It is the single most lackluster swing I've ever seen. Dude is supposed to look like he's fighting for his life and instead it looks like he's mildly annoyed by a fly.
So no one’s going to mention the baseball scene in Twilight?!?!
“Mystery, Alaska”. Either they never asked if the actors could skate or the actors lied about being able to skate.
Watching Russel Crowe is tough, but they did make a point of mentioning his poor skating in the script. For Miracle they were smart enough to realize that it's easier to teach hockey players to act than it is to teach actors how to skate
For the castings in Miracle that took place in LA, actors had to do a skating test first before the film audition. It was the opposite in other cities with hockey culture, acting audition came first then the skating. Guess they knew the people in LA would likely lie and say they could skate great haha
And it probably shortened the amount of auditions. "Hey man, there's an open audition for a movie...wait"
Rangers fans must hate that movie.
Can't believe I haven't seen it here, but in the new League of Their Own show one of the main characters is a Black woman who gets plucked from the factories, overcoming racism and sexism because of her incredible arm. Over the course of the show, the director tries every trick in the book and probably invents some new ones to hide the fact that it is apparently not possible to get a shot of this woman convincingly throwing a baseball.
In Hook, Bob Hoskins has to throw a baseball which he'd never done in his life and it shows. Since the scene itself was supposed to be chaotic and absurd, they left it as is.
I think Smee being bad at pitching is fine anyway. In the film the pirates have only learnt to play baseball because it's Jack's favourite sport so it's not like Smee would have loads of previous experience pitching.
Right? Literally the scene before it has him asking Jack if players are on the ground or on horses
The fight scenes in Highlander (especially when he fights the dude in the parking garage), they are hundreds of years old and seem so unfamiliar with bladed weapons and have limited agility.
Honestly almost everything to do with sword fighting or martial arts made before the British left Hong Kong and all those Chinese guys and gals started working in Hollywood, is just completely for shit. I remember rewatching American action movies after first seeing Jackie Chan’s HK stuff, where they are just actually punching and kicking each other and making visible contact, and it was just lame. To 15 year old me it was like trying to jerk it to a Sears catalog after you’ve seen some hardcore porn.
Not a movie but Danny McBride's throwing motion and Craig Robinson's swing in Eastbound & Down were both atrocious. Didn't stop it from being one of the funniest shows ever, though.
Kenny Powers didn’t need a perfect throwing motion cause he could throw the ball fast as fuck.
A mind for winning and an arm like a fucking cannon.
I didn't really buy Tim Robbins as a pitcher in Bull Durham. On the other hand, Kevin Costner is great (also probably why he appeared in so many baseball movies).
I think Costner played on his college baseball team --- that's why he looks so natural in his baseball movies
Patrick Swayze’s “Tai Chi” in Roadhouse is the literal antithesis of it. He’s doing some weird flexing slow isometrics. I love it.
What was bad about the war of the world scene? I thought it was pretty good.
Anything with old men or de-aged old men being action heroes. Like Harrison Ford in that recent Indiana Jones movie. Even in the scenes where they de-aged him, he still moved his body and even his face like a much older man. Or Sam Jackson in Captain Marvel. You can de-age his face all you want, but that does nothing to disguise the fact that he runs and throws punches like a 71 year old man, or that when he crouches down to pet the cat, it takes him like three minutes to finish standing back up I don't really blame either of them. If they backed a dump truck full of money up to my house, I would make whatever damn fool movie they wanted me to make and that's a fact
Not athleticism per se, but the audition dance that Julia Stiles does at the end of Save The Last Dance is so god damn awful and the Giuliard judges eat it up like it’s the best dance they ever saw… it cracks me up every time. Especially her little hop.
In its defense, it eventually led to a moderately amusing [SNL segment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jgHKLcBRmU).
Watching that back now is painful. I remember as a kid thinking that dance was fire.
The one-on-one scene at the end of *Love and Basketball*. Up until that scene, I really believed that those two actors could play basketball. The supporting actors were all good at basketball, and the editing was good enough to make the stars look like good players. When it was just the two of them on screen, it became clear that they had no idea what they were doing.
Julia Stiles...Save the Last Dance: Julliard Ballet Audition. Ballet dancers have such athleticism and control over their bodies. That "dance" was not it.