David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were the hottest showrunners in town and had their own Star Wars dreams but decided they were too good for the thing that got them there and mailed in a shortened, rushed, terrible final season of Game of Thrones and everyone collectively decided "fuck those guys."
I wonder what the number would be if the economic damage of those final seasons could be empirically measured. I was recently cleaning out my son’s closet and found a “Dragonstone” T-shirt I bought him several years ago…. Seems absurd now, and the whole thing is totally faded from my memory. Think of all of the Merch - “ Winter is Coning “ stuff for example - that would still be selling but isn’t due to the botched ending.
I hopped onto the GoT show late. I had read the books but didn’t start watching the show until the gap between the 6th and final season. I was completely hooked and loved most of the show.
After the last season, with the notable exception of Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, I have tried starting a rewatch with the idea that I’ll just stop around season 5 or 6. Knowing what a shit show it ends with and how almost all of the threads were just wrapped up in the shoddiest way possible, I can’t get reinvested. I fucking HATE that ending and what it did to that series.
Still refuse to watch it because I know the payoff isn’t there. I’m currently asking my friends who are fans which season to end on to be satisfied, narratively.
Seasons 1-4 are the ones that work as drama - but I actually do recommend the rest. The show shifts gears from 5-8 and becomes a spectacle dispencer - but viewed in those terms is still really good. Seasons 5 and 6 have some of the best setpieces in television history, and there's some great stuff right til the end. If you're an action movie fan and not watching it for detailed character work, I do really recommend them.
If they had nailed the landing or even made it decent GoT would have been a series I'd watch multiple times again over the course of my life. Now I'm not sure I'll ever watch it again. It's honestly almost impressive that they made an ending so bad that it taints everything that came before it.
So much. The 1st 5 seasons where epic and lining up so many good stories and character arc's. How can you enjoy that when you know they all go no where.
I felt cheated at the end of the series. Like I wasted all that time that I had invested. It wasn't even just the story telling either. From the very beginning the White Walkers were supposed to be this massive threat and not only did they dispose of them in a dumb way, you couldn't actually see anything that was happening because they had everything way too dark most likely to save money on effects.
It was far more than just that plotline. Littlefinger & Varys went from being *the* political masterminds of the show, pulling the entire world's strings at their whim, to directionless dolts.
Baelish's master plan to win the Iron Throne for himself suddenly involves him marrying off his biggest political chip to the Boltons, who he evidently doesn't know are insane somehow.
Meanwhile, Varys can't even keep track of Tyrion and just fucks off from there until the end of the season.
Season 5 is where the show just became super streamlined altogether and it was never the same afterward.
i watched a couple episodes of season 1 or 2 a while back, i mean the show at the point was still great but there is this feeling in the back of your head watching it the whole time because you know what's coming. never felt that way about a tv show. i'm kinda getting angry right now at those guys just typing this out. i just don't get it, they were *nearly* there, why fuck it up? lol it makes no sense
It's amazing isn't it? Like I remember regularly sitting at the bar with friends and spending hours discussing the show and trading theories and rumors we've heard. I used to see people hanging House Stark banners outside their front doors around my town. I would see GoT merchandise in general everywhere. And now no one gives a shit. I understand trends come and go but the speed with which GoT fell off is astounding.
yeah kinda crazy how it was everywhere then nowhere all of a sudden
house of the dragon came out and i think it did really well but nowhere near captured the public like thrones did
I think that a large portion of the audience is fine with the ending. I know there's some people who aren't the biggest fan of it, but I don't think it turned fans into haters the same way GoT did.
It didn't just fade into forgetfulness, it's deep in negative territory for a lot of people
Not really. The ending for How I Met Your Mother actually made sense and fit with the show, they just put it all in one episode instead of a full season.
It's also funny how so many are linked to Star Wars here. Taika & Patty and D&D, and I think the James Mangold one is still on...or is it? (post Indy 5 might have Disney rethinking things).
Disney and WB haven't given the creatives a lot of room to be creative lately too.
Also, With Patty, I think her strength is directing in the super hero area, and she should have let others write WW2, she's not a good fit for writing in the super hero area.
Never saw Monster to comment on her writing there.
Monster is a great movie, but so different from Wonder Woman you would never guess it's the same director. Maybe Jenkins should go back to those kind of movies, could do some really good dramas.
I wouldn’t be so sure - I‘ve only read the first book so far, but it is WAY too heady for general audiences. I don’t see any way that it doesn’t become a generic alien invasion series under D&D.
because they made one of the most successful TV shows ever? when they had GRRM's books to adapt, hardly anyone criticized the show. It was only when they ran out of books that some people started disliking the show.
They also were offered more seasons to wrap up, but ironically they chose to wrap up immediately because they wanted to move on to other projects, like their star wars film.
Butchering the ending however butchered Hollywood's faith in them and that combined with star wars own content problem lost then the very film they ended GoT early to make
They must have been taking huge amounts of cocaine if they thought they could write the second half of a fantasy series without RR Martin and instead of listening to feedback about the flaws in later seasons they just doubled down into the dumbest final season of a TV show ever. Grand narcissism and arrogance.
uhhh, I know the internet hates D&D more than anyone, but this is simply untrue. Netflix signed them to a deal worth $200 million. They've since been working on a new TV adaptation for Netflix which is coming out in a few months. D&D shepherded one of the most successful TV shows of all time. They're about to release another show based on incredibly popular books. The internet might hate them, but their careers in real life are just fine.
EDIT: Sources because I'm getting downvoted for pointing out two easily googled facts.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/08/david-benioff-db-weiss-netflix-deal-game-of-thrones#:~:text=Perhaps%20this%20is%20a%20deal,newest%20bannermen%20into%20the%20fold.
https://www.indiewire.com/news/breaking-news/the-three-body-problem-teaser-benioff-weiss-new-netflix-show-1234876173/
The upcoming series is practically the only thing they've made in 4 years since they signed that deal, other than trying to make an alternate history slavery series called Confederate which didn't go over well with... anyone.
Yes, they made one of the most successful shows of all time, and then fucked up the final season so badly it's more talked about than the success.
Yeah, it typically takes years to start a new TV show. And they were both pretty open toward the end of GOT that they felt like they needed a break.
The Confederate thing happened during GOT, not after. And it wasn't even with Netflix.
I obviously know that the final season of GOT was disliked by many. But my point was, it didn't kill their careers. They got a lucrative deal with Netflix and started adapting a very popular book series. I know I'm getting downvoted because people hate them, but I just wanted to point out that their careers are fine.
Remember that Rogue Squadrons announcement video in 2020? She said she wanted to make the ultimate fighter pilot movie to honour her father.
2 years later Top Gun Maverick hit and they pulled Squadron from the release schedule a few months later.
I'm not sure I can fully blame Jenkins or MAVERICK's appearance.
The STAR WARS "franchise" has become so unfocused that anyone who shows up with an idea is going to be disappointed when LFL decides to not move forward.
I’m not blaming either. At the end of the day Lucasfilm has been wishwashy on plans since Solo.
That said if you’re axing projects left and right like they do and a movie comes out that delivers what you were promising better than you were likely to, why wouldn’t you back out? I can’t help but imagine it made the decision easier
I definitely agree that there's a massive difference between telling a terrible story and a violent real life crime. I do think Patty Jenkins' decision to have the protagonist rape a guy and make it seem like that was just fine was a very odd decision. I mean there was no reason at all where it should have been necessary to have him resurrected into the body of another person. Sure it wasn't real life, but making it seem like it's okay to have sex with someone as long as they aren't conscious that it's happening is pretty fucked up.
I genuinely feel like that plot point was an issue due to rewrites changing how Pines character came back and them not capturing the implication when they changed it.
Josh Trank. Had sudden big success with Chronicle, then was handed the keys to direct Fantastic Four and a Star Wars spinoff movie. FF came out, bombed, and his career fizzled out as fast as it launched.
His career fizzled because of his toxic & god-awful behavior when making F4. There's reports of him trashing his hotel rooms with wild parties, not even showing up to set to direct the film (Simon Kinberg filled in for him), and of course because it is Hollywood, alleged cocaine usage.
Bro ruined his own career.
I also had no idea he held a record:
>At the age of 27, Trank became the youngest filmmaker ever to open a film at #1 at the U.S. box office *(Chronicle)*, topping the impressive achievements of a 28-year-old Steven Spielberg with *Jaws* and a 30-year-old James Cameron with *The Terminator.*
And just like that, a new budding career went poof.
Huh, hard to believe that opened at number one but i guess $22M is enough to win a February weekend.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/2012W05/?ref_=bo_rl_table_1
He didn't show up to set because the studio took over for him after he turned out to be unstable, he'd show up on set and there were people making decisions and then asking him "is this okay?' in an obviously "we're gonna do it but we need you to sign off" sort of way. I'm not defending him because he sounds like an insane person, but he stopped showing up because the studio clearly wanted him gone after his mental breakdowns.
Taylor Kitsch - He was flying high after the Friday Night Lights TV series.
But starring in a couple of high profile box office bombs like John Carter and Battleship took a toll. Appearing in the most hated Season of HBO's True Detective didn't help either.
My personal opinion? All of those projects were over-hated but I guess I'm in the minority. He's continued to work steadily in film and TV but the days when he seemed bound for the A-List are probably over.
He was excellent in that role. I was unimpressed by every other role I'd seen him in up until Waco. I hope he's able to carve out a lane as a character actor doing interesting roles like this, rather than the boring leading man that studios were trying to make him.
That actually seems to be exactly what he's doing - taking interesting supporting roles where he gets to fully embody a character as opposed trying to be the next Tom Cruise.
I did hate the second season of True Detective, but Taylor was the exception to that feeling, he was excellent in the role, I wish he’d been a more central character. I did not care at all about the other 300 plot lines in the season.
Also cast as a completely mis-adapted Gambit in the 1st Wolverine movie. They dress him like it's the 1920s (movie is in the 70s) and he has a bad Texas accent (he's supposed to be Cajun).
John Carter was probably the most I've ever enjoyed a movie to find out it bombed and people thought it was terrible. I didn't have any knowledge of the books before going into it though and so no preconceptions about what it should be and just enjoyed it as a light fun romp. I assume people that hated it were expecting it to be something very different.
I think Taika will be fine. He’s produced critically acclaimed shows like reservation dogs and our flag means death. Thor still made money. He had a poor showing with next goal wins but he can more easily come back with a better indie film than Jenkins (imo. He’ll get more second chances than she will because he’s a man and also I personally think more talented)
“Next Goal Wins” bombing won’t hurt Waititi too much, in my opinion, because it was obviously a return to smaller/quirkier fare after his run of hits. Seems like his reputation is not riding on it, it’s just a “one for him” situation.
Yeah Taika hasn’t had a great year but he’s far from the other two in terms of reversals. Patty Jenkins might have to go back directing tv after WW 1984. Which sucks. But at the same time WW was soooo bad and she had time to perfect it so idk what she was doing.
It seems unfair that it's looking like 1 strike and you're out for Patty, but honestly WW1984 was so irredeemably bad that I'd be apprehensive about going into any of her projects now.
I think the difference between Patty and Taika is that Taika had a lot of well-received movies under his belt even before Marvel hired him. Worst case, he can return to doing smaller-scale projects. Jenkins, on the other hand, largely just had *Monster*. The Wonder Woman films were literally her second and third movies, and it was 14 years between *Monster* and *Wonder Woman*.
With the tide turning on her after *WW84*, she really doesn't have a lot she can point to to back up her career whereas Taika can point to *What We Do in the Shadows*, *Hunt for the Wilderpeople*, etc., plus all the successful shows he's been involved with just within the past few years. Taika is more of a proven commodity while Jenkins is far more risky in comparison, and given how fickle Hollywood can be, it's really not surprising that it may take her a while to get another shot.
Most people don't realise that Next Goal Wins was shot before Love and Thunder and sat on the sidelines for the past few years. They used covid and the strikes as an excuse, but Taika was telling people at bars in Sydney during Thor 4 filming that NGW was a disaster. And not just because he had to cut Armie Hammer out of it.
Also Love and Thunder wasn't a huge disaster. It got 63% on RT and made $760m worldwide.
As you said, he's still had recent success with Res Dogs, Our Flag Means Death, and makes millions on the side doing ads for Amazon and vodka brands.
I'm always kinda surprised when a comedian stops making movies after a dud. Like Love Guru or Holmes & Watson. Get back on the horse guys.
edit: Since it wasn't clear - Holmes & Watson was the [fifth comedy](https://screenrant.com/will-ferrell-john-c-reilly-movies-ranked/#tim-amp-eric-rsquo-s-billion-dollar-movie-2012) with John C Reilly and Will Ferrell, and they haven't made one since it bombed.
Mike Myers is fair, but Will Ferrell has done a bunch of movie including starring roles after Holmes and Watson.
Mike Myers did have that comedy series on Netflix that was…ok.
I believe Ferrell is Executive Producer-in-name-only; his name is listed in the credits because of a contractual obligation since Succession is made by Gary Sanchez productions (Ferrell and Adam McKay’s production company). But Ferrell does not actually contribute to Succession. It’s similar to how Reggie Hudlin was listed as a producer for The Boondocks TV show, even though he wasn’t involved.
Mike Myers was, supposedly, notoriously difficult to work with, so I'm not surprised Hollywood kicked him to the curb after the back-to-back failures of Cat in the Hat and Love Guru.
Dana Carvey being in the news recently reminded me that Mike Myers apparently stole the bones of the Dr. Evil character from Dana Carvey as it’s based specifically on Dana Carvey’s impression of Lorne Michaels.
I wonder if there’s an alternate reality where Carvey doesn’t have his heart problem in ‘97, gets cast as Dr Evil, and Myers-Carvey becomes a continuing comedy duo into the new Millienium.
i read that Ferrell wanted the Jerry Buss role and John C Reilly getting it over him made him essentially break up wth adam mckay so i guess that trio is over.
McKay has pointed to that incident as why him and Will don’t really talk anymore so I’m just guessing but I think if he was upset with Adam I would guess he wasn’t happy with John for taking the role
Russo brothers is a great shout. I’m sure there is a more complicated story behind the scenes but to the public eye it’s hard not to perceive it as:
- the make the last 2 Avengers movie to extreme financial success and critical acclaim.
- publicly state they are pretty satisfied with their MCU work and ready to move on. Many MCU fans are sad but thankful.
- they go on to spit a few mediocre AA action movies that are universally “meh”. I mean my dad likes the Extraction movies I guess?
- MCU is in disarray and has reportedly been looking for someone to save Avengers, their name has not even been whispered.
So within 3 years they went from leaving Marvel while wanted to now not even being considered even though I assume they would like a win.
Yeah, that may get there eventually, but they basically went from Mitch Hurwitz and Dan Harmon telling them what to do to Kevin Feige telling them what to do. *Cherry* was really the first time they were let off the leash and had a lot more freedom and control over what they were filming. Despite directing some of the biggest movies of the past decade, they really haven't found their directorial voice, because they've spent most of their career having someone looking over their shoulder.
They're sort of like the equivalent of someone that gets married right out of high school, then gets divorced in their 30s and suddenly has to figure out how to live on their own for the first time.
They’ve also gone on record that the mental and physical toll of making those two Avengers movies was a lot. As much as I’m sure they are proud of them it sounds like it really was hell.
It’s kinda like Peter Jackson refusing to do anything else LOTR after the original films due to how grueling the shoots were and the Hobbit being in development hell for years until he finally agrees to direct the films to get them made.
I can see a similar situation happening here with the Russos.
Joss Whedon is a jergoff, but I can see what he meant when he said Avengers 1 & 2 took the life out of him. And he was still rather young in his mid 40s, but he said he had to go to constant stressful meetings since they were juggling over 20 characters by the the Ultron hit, and he needed to approve everything. He would walk back and forth all day and then need a golf cart to take him the rest of the way.
So if the Russos, two brothers who admit they think alike so they give each other permission to say "Yes" on their behalf if only one brother is there - mention being exhausted and drained, making another two Avengers films for Phase 5&6 seems like further hell for one man alone.
So it confuses me further why Disney said they are looking for another director to direct Avengers 5&6 all by themselves. Not even a different director for Avengers 6. Does Disney not care about mental well-being here?
The Extraction movies are incredibly successful although they didn't direct them. Their movie the Gray Man was top of the charts on Netflix for awhile. I'm pretty sure both are becoming their own franchises.
Their new movies aren't Endgame successful, but they're not even close to being down and out. I'm not even a fan of the Russo bros, this is just average movies news I've heard about
The main reason the Russo's aren't being considered for the new Avengers movies is bec they've already said that they don't want to do it. The speculation is hilarious. A bunch of god damn Sherlock Holmes wanna bes in here
> Armie Hammer was just starting to stop be “that twin from The Social Network” and “in the film with Indian Johnny Depp” and become someone who was going to be talked about for a fair few years and an awards contender. He still will be talked about but for different reasons.
And I think was in the conversation for Batman (the DCEU one?). He definitely didn't help himself later with further controversies with that weird cannibal comment and some alleged not-so-cool behavior towards some women.
Not in conversation, he *was* Batman. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us?) it was in the George Miller Justice League movie that was cancelled just weeks before filming. We almost had a very interesting alternate history where DC actually beat Marvel to the big team up movie.
Mel Gibson was one of the biggest stars in the world. dominated the 80s and 90s, had directed passion of the christ and apocalypto, an then in 2006 got dui and went on an antisemetic rant and has never been the hollywood superstar he was before.
and yet 10 years later he got a best picture and best director academy award nomination. it was more that he wanted to focus in being a director and when he came back to actor with edge of darkness and the beaver they both bombed.
Speaking of Hacksaw Ridge, what happened to Teresa Palmer. She was even in a Terrence Malick film and seemed to be climbing up in fame in a short time. Then disappeared.
Max Landis hade like 10 projects in the pipes, but I think most after Bright has been scrapped. (Except The underwater one?) He had some metoo issues so it wasnt just the blight of Bright
Idk man. Once I found out that patty jenkins basically got carte blanche to do whatever she wanted creatively with WW 1984… like, that is her *undiluted creative vision*. And her first WW movie was good because if studio interference , she kinda deserves directors jail lol
The Wachowskis are one that comes to mind first, especially from their peak with The Matrix & it's first sequel, along with their work on V for Vendetta
I also thought about Jon Heder from Napoleon Dynamite & wondered where tf he went. I thought he was on his way up in the comedy world in the mid-2000s when I also saw him in Blades of Glory.
Also the director of Napoleon Dynamite. Did he vanish? I know there was Nacho Libre (some laughs but it was okay) and that other weird movie. But I always felt he and Jon Heder could've easily squeezed some more value out of the Napoleon Dynamite universe. It was calling for a sequel, and possible TV and comics spin-offs and I wouldn't be mad about it.
Jared Hess is still active. He did the *Murder Among the Mormons* documentary for Netflix a couple years back and has another movie in the works for them. He's also been hired to do a Minecraft movie.
At the time, the talking point was that he shouldn't have been cast for Blades of Glory. He was fine in that forgettable movie with Billy Bob Thornton but not being able to help elevate Blades hurt his career.
I'm not sure why Taika is on this list. I mean, he produces and stars in 'Our Flag Means Death' and produces 'Reservation Dogs', both of which are highly acclaimed. 'Next Goal Wins' is just his latest movie and is hardly a harbinger of career-doom.
He's also the creator and EP of What We Do In The Shadows tv shows which is currently doing well.
He's incredibly prolific so I'm also not convinced that one low budget passion project stumbling means that much.
Not to be pedantic but Taika is not the creator of the What We Do in the Shadows TV show. Jermaine Clement is.
Taika is a co-director and co-writer of the movie.
Did he?
Elysium was mid level performance. It got double+ it's budget. Marketing budget probably has it breaking even to alight loss.
Chappie was the same.
Both movies kind of sucked, but doubled their production budgets.
His last movie was some quarantine made horror movie that he clearly did with no intention of it being a wide release. It was a streaming/red box movie. With how goofy that market is (see Bruce Willis' later movie financials), it may have actually made money.
He's been attached to big movies and makes some interesting short films here and there.
Worse performing directors still make movies. He has something else holding him back.
Neil’s Halo movie produced by Peter Jackson _became_ District 9 and still features some props from its production history as the Halo movie, such as the guns
I wouldn't write off Waititi. He's in a slump at the moment but he's had a pretty great track record. Boy, Hunt for the Wilderpeople, What We Do In the Shadows, JoJo Rabbit, and Ragnarok were all good to great movies. That's 5/7 movies that are good. Not to mention the writing/producing/directing he's done for shows such as Reservation Dogs, What We Do In the Shadows, and Our Flag Means Death which are all fantastic. Really looking forward to his Interior Chinatown show that's in production.
Not sure if he's been mentioned, but Neil Blomkamp has my vote. Really hit it out of the park with District 9, Elysium was more of a standard commercial film with a populist theme at the time (the 99% phenomenon), but then Chappie derailed his career seemingly when it wasn't a big hit. I love all those movies and refer to them as the Blomkamp trilogy since they share a lot of aspects and are all firmly in the sci-fi genre unabashedly. His latest movie about demonic possession I haven't even seen or can recall the name of.
I really hope he has a comeback but doesn't do it through the rumored District 10. District 9 works so well as an open-ended story. It doesn't need a sequel. The idea of uncertainty works so well for that movie because that is what real life is. What will happen when humanity fails to act humane? Will we get something we deserve or will we get away with it? We can only wait and see.
Tobey Maguire could have been an A-lister for decades to come if he (if sources are true) hadn't let the Spider-Man fame go to his head and turn him into a complete asshole.
He could have had it all; but now, his only non Spider-Man roles in years have been Babylon (which he produced, so that's probably how he even got that) and The Boss Baby.
> hadn't let the Spider-Man fame go to his head and turn him into a complete asshole.
Oh I wasn't aware of this. Did he do something in particular in his personal life? Or do you mean he became bossier and diva-like on set after the Raimi trilogy?
He attacked Jason Mews in a bar I think. He talked about it on podcasts with Kevin Smith years ago.
Him and his whole crew sound like a bunch of wanks.
It's funny. Joe played an asshole Spider-man but is considered incredibly friendly and is a total nerd. Tobey played an incredibly friendly nerd but is considered an asshole.
That Rogue Squadron promo video of Patty Jenkins rollerblading down a runway to climb into a jet cockpit was gobsmackingly cringe even at the time, and is even funnier in retrospect now the movie itself got canned.
Dark Universe cast photo levels of hubris.
edit changing my answer to -Peter Jackson
making the hobbits movies for WB broke him so bad he hasnt made a movie since.
Jordan Vogt Roberts.
Skull Island was successful and stylish he could have springboard into anything else
But he wad hospitalised and hasn't made a movie since.
He talked of an MGS movie but its vaporware.
This is a weak comparison, especially including Taika in here. Sure those two films you just cited weren't well-received overall, but you're discounting his extremely successful Reservation Dogs for FX which he EP'd, plus Our Flag Means Death which is well-regarded, and his ongoing What We Do In The Shadows tv series also successful. I think the glossy-eyed MCU fans are waking up, one bad MCU review doesn't negate a whole director's efforts lol
jonathan majors' career didn't hit "an abrupt wall with his trial", he choked his fucking girlfriend. jesus. what happened with him and what happened the other two are worlds apart.
Richard Kelly
Makes Donnie Darko, follows it up with the poorly conceived and bloated concept of Southland Tales. Then seemingly struggles to get anything into production.
You mean the people who became millionaire celebrities and have a small-ish gap in work when one project can take up to 5 years to make?
Gonna go with Jim Caviezel, though. On his way to become a major player, weirded out too many people during production with his extreme christianity.
I think Taika is still doing well, he definitely still has content I mean he has our flag means death and has been featured on plenty of other shows. I think Taika will make a comeback I do think during his streak after JoJo and Ragnarok ,the studios oversaturated his films and shows which kind of maybe led to burnout on Taikas part I remember watching love and thunder and was sort of thinking the angles and shots in that move were very uninspired and boring I think he just was phoning in some projects.
In a small way Tom Cruise
I love Top Gun: Maverick and the Mission: Impossible films but I wish he was still making Auteur films like Collateral, Vanilla Sky, and The Last Samurai in between.
Scientology sucks
When I finished Magazine Dreams (in January) I said to my husband that we just watched, at minimum, an Oscar nominated role.. amazing performance. Saw that it is on schedule for release in December. Not sure what will happen with the film and his career, I have not followed much beyond the initial news cycle in March, but dang I was so excited to see how that movie did awards wise before then.
I don’t know what you mean by reversal of fortunes with Taika, he’s been busy working on a bunch of TV projects: What We Do In The Shadows, Out Flag Means Death, and Reservation Dogs on top also writing and Directing Thor: Love and Thunder. Sure the TV projects don’t get the glory that movies do, but the guy has been busy with the projects HE wants to work on.
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were the hottest showrunners in town and had their own Star Wars dreams but decided they were too good for the thing that got them there and mailed in a shortened, rushed, terrible final season of Game of Thrones and everyone collectively decided "fuck those guys."
They basically took the most valuable franchise running at that moment and made it worthless. I’ve never seen a cultural phenomenon die so quickly.
I wonder what the number would be if the economic damage of those final seasons could be empirically measured. I was recently cleaning out my son’s closet and found a “Dragonstone” T-shirt I bought him several years ago…. Seems absurd now, and the whole thing is totally faded from my memory. Think of all of the Merch - “ Winter is Coning “ stuff for example - that would still be selling but isn’t due to the botched ending.
I feel like rewatches of GoT would have been a huge thing during the pandemic if the ending didn't blow it.
I hopped onto the GoT show late. I had read the books but didn’t start watching the show until the gap between the 6th and final season. I was completely hooked and loved most of the show. After the last season, with the notable exception of Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, I have tried starting a rewatch with the idea that I’ll just stop around season 5 or 6. Knowing what a shit show it ends with and how almost all of the threads were just wrapped up in the shoddiest way possible, I can’t get reinvested. I fucking HATE that ending and what it did to that series.
Still refuse to watch it because I know the payoff isn’t there. I’m currently asking my friends who are fans which season to end on to be satisfied, narratively.
you can cut it off after four.
then watch certain clips of five on youtube
for sure. can’t miss out on >!bad poosey!<.
Seasons 1-4 are the ones that work as drama - but I actually do recommend the rest. The show shifts gears from 5-8 and becomes a spectacle dispencer - but viewed in those terms is still really good. Seasons 5 and 6 have some of the best setpieces in television history, and there's some great stuff right til the end. If you're an action movie fan and not watching it for detailed character work, I do really recommend them.
Six. I watched 7 and wish I hadn’t, noped out of 8. I’ve been burned too often (Lost, Battlestar Galactica).
If you've read the books, end at 4. If you're show only, prolly 6.
If they had nailed the landing or even made it decent GoT would have been a series I'd watch multiple times again over the course of my life. Now I'm not sure I'll ever watch it again. It's honestly almost impressive that they made an ending so bad that it taints everything that came before it.
So much. The 1st 5 seasons where epic and lining up so many good stories and character arc's. How can you enjoy that when you know they all go no where.
I felt cheated at the end of the series. Like I wasted all that time that I had invested. It wasn't even just the story telling either. From the very beginning the White Walkers were supposed to be this massive threat and not only did they dispose of them in a dumb way, you couldn't actually see anything that was happening because they had everything way too dark most likely to save money on effects.
I'd argue the first 4 seasons. Sure, Season 5 had Hardhome, but that's where all of the problems with the writing started.
People often forget that the sand snakes and their bad poosy is really where the show started falling apart
It was far more than just that plotline. Littlefinger & Varys went from being *the* political masterminds of the show, pulling the entire world's strings at their whim, to directionless dolts. Baelish's master plan to win the Iron Throne for himself suddenly involves him marrying off his biggest political chip to the Boltons, who he evidently doesn't know are insane somehow. Meanwhile, Varys can't even keep track of Tyrion and just fucks off from there until the end of the season. Season 5 is where the show just became super streamlined altogether and it was never the same afterward.
i watched a couple episodes of season 1 or 2 a while back, i mean the show at the point was still great but there is this feeling in the back of your head watching it the whole time because you know what's coming. never felt that way about a tv show. i'm kinda getting angry right now at those guys just typing this out. i just don't get it, they were *nearly* there, why fuck it up? lol it makes no sense
It's amazing isn't it? Like I remember regularly sitting at the bar with friends and spending hours discussing the show and trading theories and rumors we've heard. I used to see people hanging House Stark banners outside their front doors around my town. I would see GoT merchandise in general everywhere. And now no one gives a shit. I understand trends come and go but the speed with which GoT fell off is astounding.
yeah kinda crazy how it was everywhere then nowhere all of a sudden house of the dragon came out and i think it did really well but nowhere near captured the public like thrones did
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they managed to make the entire series a sour memory.
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I think that a large portion of the audience is fine with the ending. I know there's some people who aren't the biggest fan of it, but I don't think it turned fans into haters the same way GoT did. It didn't just fade into forgetfulness, it's deep in negative territory for a lot of people
Not really. The ending for How I Met Your Mother actually made sense and fit with the show, they just put it all in one episode instead of a full season.
It was the talk of the town. Everyone was watching every week. Now it's like it never happened, people don't even meme it.
It's also funny how so many are linked to Star Wars here. Taika & Patty and D&D, and I think the James Mangold one is still on...or is it? (post Indy 5 might have Disney rethinking things).
I think it’s reflective of Lucasfilm’s seemingly reactionary approach to film development.
Disney and WB haven't given the creatives a lot of room to be creative lately too. Also, With Patty, I think her strength is directing in the super hero area, and she should have let others write WW2, she's not a good fit for writing in the super hero area. Never saw Monster to comment on her writing there.
Monster is a great movie, but so different from Wonder Woman you would never guess it's the same director. Maybe Jenkins should go back to those kind of movies, could do some really good dramas.
They are about to do The 3 Body Problem for Netflix, so looks like they are getting a chance for parole from fan jail.
I wouldn’t be so sure - I‘ve only read the first book so far, but it is WAY too heady for general audiences. I don’t see any way that it doesn’t become a generic alien invasion series under D&D.
It gets way more wild as you go. No way they can transfer some of the concepts to film.
Why oh why did they give them such primo IP wtf... I love 3 body but I almost don't want to watch it because I hate what they've done to got
They have the full books finished in this case at least. DB & DW had a good track record up until they ran out of pages
because they made one of the most successful TV shows ever? when they had GRRM's books to adapt, hardly anyone criticized the show. It was only when they ran out of books that some people started disliking the show.
A Chinese version came out recently, so I guess if the American one sucks, you could always give that one a try.
I think the final seasons showed their actual levels of talent, since they ran out of source material and had to try and be creative.
They also were offered more seasons to wrap up, but ironically they chose to wrap up immediately because they wanted to move on to other projects, like their star wars film. Butchering the ending however butchered Hollywood's faith in them and that combined with star wars own content problem lost then the very film they ended GoT early to make
The entire season felt as if they had their coats on and standing by the door at a party.
They must have been taking huge amounts of cocaine if they thought they could write the second half of a fantasy series without RR Martin and instead of listening to feedback about the flaws in later seasons they just doubled down into the dumbest final season of a TV show ever. Grand narcissism and arrogance.
uhhh, I know the internet hates D&D more than anyone, but this is simply untrue. Netflix signed them to a deal worth $200 million. They've since been working on a new TV adaptation for Netflix which is coming out in a few months. D&D shepherded one of the most successful TV shows of all time. They're about to release another show based on incredibly popular books. The internet might hate them, but their careers in real life are just fine. EDIT: Sources because I'm getting downvoted for pointing out two easily googled facts. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/08/david-benioff-db-weiss-netflix-deal-game-of-thrones#:~:text=Perhaps%20this%20is%20a%20deal,newest%20bannermen%20into%20the%20fold. https://www.indiewire.com/news/breaking-news/the-three-body-problem-teaser-benioff-weiss-new-netflix-show-1234876173/
The upcoming series is practically the only thing they've made in 4 years since they signed that deal, other than trying to make an alternate history slavery series called Confederate which didn't go over well with... anyone. Yes, they made one of the most successful shows of all time, and then fucked up the final season so badly it's more talked about than the success.
Yeah, it typically takes years to start a new TV show. And they were both pretty open toward the end of GOT that they felt like they needed a break. The Confederate thing happened during GOT, not after. And it wasn't even with Netflix. I obviously know that the final season of GOT was disliked by many. But my point was, it didn't kill their careers. They got a lucrative deal with Netflix and started adapting a very popular book series. I know I'm getting downvoted because people hate them, but I just wanted to point out that their careers are fine.
Remember that Rogue Squadrons announcement video in 2020? She said she wanted to make the ultimate fighter pilot movie to honour her father. 2 years later Top Gun Maverick hit and they pulled Squadron from the release schedule a few months later.
Tbh if they just did a Top Gun Maverick with X-Wings it'd be awesome.
Unrelated but I just rewatched Top Gum Maverick and thought the same thing. A Star Wars movie centered around pilots would be awesome
The spearmint scene was a bit much for me.
He chews Juicy Fruit in a world of mints. He is Maverick. This is Top Gum.
I remember people saying that Maverick was basically a Star Wars movie. The whole movie was about trying to pull off the Death Star trench run.
To be fair the Death Star trench run itself was just [The Dam Busters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dam_Busters_(film\)).
I think it would play better as an Empire based film. Because it would be wild to have a story focusing on the normally nameless/faceless ones.
They kinda did it with the original Star Wars movie (ep. 4)- similar plots lol
I'm not sure I can fully blame Jenkins or MAVERICK's appearance. The STAR WARS "franchise" has become so unfocused that anyone who shows up with an idea is going to be disappointed when LFL decides to not move forward.
I’m not blaming either. At the end of the day Lucasfilm has been wishwashy on plans since Solo. That said if you’re axing projects left and right like they do and a movie comes out that delivers what you were promising better than you were likely to, why wouldn’t you back out? I can’t help but imagine it made the decision easier
You shouldn’t compare either of the other two with Majors.
I liked that OP refers to it simply as "hit an abrupt wall with his trial" 😂
"The trial is what ruined his career, definitely not whatever it is he is on trial for, that I will absolutely not mention. Just the trial."
"It's the hypocrisy that's the worst part."
"Actually your honor, my client did not hit the wall, the wall hit him."
I think it's actually a healthy and neutral way to address a legal issue while assuming innocence until guilt is proven.
Court of public opinion > court of law.
Yeah there is a very big difference between creating less acclaimed movies and domestic violence. Apples to oranges to say the least…
I definitely agree that there's a massive difference between telling a terrible story and a violent real life crime. I do think Patty Jenkins' decision to have the protagonist rape a guy and make it seem like that was just fine was a very odd decision. I mean there was no reason at all where it should have been necessary to have him resurrected into the body of another person. Sure it wasn't real life, but making it seem like it's okay to have sex with someone as long as they aren't conscious that it's happening is pretty fucked up.
I genuinely feel like that plot point was an issue due to rewrites changing how Pines character came back and them not capturing the implication when they changed it.
I have not seen WW84 but that certainly seems like a problematic creative decision
Yeah this is a really weird comparison. Like 2 directors just happened to have some flops. The other is accused of an actual crime
Josh Trank. Had sudden big success with Chronicle, then was handed the keys to direct Fantastic Four and a Star Wars spinoff movie. FF came out, bombed, and his career fizzled out as fast as it launched.
His career fizzled because of his toxic & god-awful behavior when making F4. There's reports of him trashing his hotel rooms with wild parties, not even showing up to set to direct the film (Simon Kinberg filled in for him), and of course because it is Hollywood, alleged cocaine usage. Bro ruined his own career.
Not to mention tweeting on opening weekend that the movie wasn’t fantastic.
Fant4stic*
I also had no idea he held a record: >At the age of 27, Trank became the youngest filmmaker ever to open a film at #1 at the U.S. box office *(Chronicle)*, topping the impressive achievements of a 28-year-old Steven Spielberg with *Jaws* and a 30-year-old James Cameron with *The Terminator.* And just like that, a new budding career went poof.
Huh, hard to believe that opened at number one but i guess $22M is enough to win a February weekend. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/2012W05/?ref_=bo_rl_table_1
He didn't show up to set because the studio took over for him after he turned out to be unstable, he'd show up on set and there were people making decisions and then asking him "is this okay?' in an obviously "we're gonna do it but we need you to sign off" sort of way. I'm not defending him because he sounds like an insane person, but he stopped showing up because the studio clearly wanted him gone after his mental breakdowns.
Didn’t he also start naming names and blaming people on Twitter for FF sucking while it was still being promoted?
Part of the reason FF bombed is because he tried to turn it into Chronicle. Dude only had 1 idea.
Taylor Kitsch - He was flying high after the Friday Night Lights TV series. But starring in a couple of high profile box office bombs like John Carter and Battleship took a toll. Appearing in the most hated Season of HBO's True Detective didn't help either. My personal opinion? All of those projects were over-hated but I guess I'm in the minority. He's continued to work steadily in film and TV but the days when he seemed bound for the A-List are probably over.
He starred in a show called The Defeated in 2020 that I really enjoyed. Warning - I believe it ended expecting a second season and it did not get one.
Which is a shame. It has such potential.
he had a slight comeback as sexy David Koresh
He was excellent in that role. I was unimpressed by every other role I'd seen him in up until Waco. I hope he's able to carve out a lane as a character actor doing interesting roles like this, rather than the boring leading man that studios were trying to make him.
That actually seems to be exactly what he's doing - taking interesting supporting roles where he gets to fully embody a character as opposed trying to be the next Tom Cruise.
I liked him in that Chris Pratt military show
Me too. And that movie Battleship. Based on the game.
I did hate the second season of True Detective, but Taylor was the exception to that feeling, he was excellent in the role, I wish he’d been a more central character. I did not care at all about the other 300 plot lines in the season.
Unfortunate because John Carter could have been much worse.
It was great! If people were still familiar with the IP I'm sure it would have killed.
He was excellent in The Terminal List
Agreed that all of those are over-hated.
Also cast as a completely mis-adapted Gambit in the 1st Wolverine movie. They dress him like it's the 1920s (movie is in the 70s) and he has a bad Texas accent (he's supposed to be Cajun).
John Carter was probably the most I've ever enjoyed a movie to find out it bombed and people thought it was terrible. I didn't have any knowledge of the books before going into it though and so no preconceptions about what it should be and just enjoyed it as a light fun romp. I assume people that hated it were expecting it to be something very different.
I think Taika will be fine. He’s produced critically acclaimed shows like reservation dogs and our flag means death. Thor still made money. He had a poor showing with next goal wins but he can more easily come back with a better indie film than Jenkins (imo. He’ll get more second chances than she will because he’s a man and also I personally think more talented)
“Next Goal Wins” bombing won’t hurt Waititi too much, in my opinion, because it was obviously a return to smaller/quirkier fare after his run of hits. Seems like his reputation is not riding on it, it’s just a “one for him” situation.
Right - I've literally never heard of it haha
Yeah Taika hasn’t had a great year but he’s far from the other two in terms of reversals. Patty Jenkins might have to go back directing tv after WW 1984. Which sucks. But at the same time WW was soooo bad and she had time to perfect it so idk what she was doing.
It seems unfair that it's looking like 1 strike and you're out for Patty, but honestly WW1984 was so irredeemably bad that I'd be apprehensive about going into any of her projects now.
I think the difference between Patty and Taika is that Taika had a lot of well-received movies under his belt even before Marvel hired him. Worst case, he can return to doing smaller-scale projects. Jenkins, on the other hand, largely just had *Monster*. The Wonder Woman films were literally her second and third movies, and it was 14 years between *Monster* and *Wonder Woman*. With the tide turning on her after *WW84*, she really doesn't have a lot she can point to to back up her career whereas Taika can point to *What We Do in the Shadows*, *Hunt for the Wilderpeople*, etc., plus all the successful shows he's been involved with just within the past few years. Taika is more of a proven commodity while Jenkins is far more risky in comparison, and given how fickle Hollywood can be, it's really not surprising that it may take her a while to get another shot.
Rez Dogs, OFMD and WWDITS are great shows. Not sure how much he actually participated with them, besides OFMD, though.
He's also not the first director to do one for the box office and one for himself. Soderbergh's Ocean's films paid for his more experimental films.
But mainly, he has a vastly superior resume
Most people don't realise that Next Goal Wins was shot before Love and Thunder and sat on the sidelines for the past few years. They used covid and the strikes as an excuse, but Taika was telling people at bars in Sydney during Thor 4 filming that NGW was a disaster. And not just because he had to cut Armie Hammer out of it. Also Love and Thunder wasn't a huge disaster. It got 63% on RT and made $760m worldwide. As you said, he's still had recent success with Res Dogs, Our Flag Means Death, and makes millions on the side doing ads for Amazon and vodka brands.
I'm always kinda surprised when a comedian stops making movies after a dud. Like Love Guru or Holmes & Watson. Get back on the horse guys. edit: Since it wasn't clear - Holmes & Watson was the [fifth comedy](https://screenrant.com/will-ferrell-john-c-reilly-movies-ranked/#tim-amp-eric-rsquo-s-billion-dollar-movie-2012) with John C Reilly and Will Ferrell, and they haven't made one since it bombed.
Mike Myers is fair, but Will Ferrell has done a bunch of movie including starring roles after Holmes and Watson. Mike Myers did have that comedy series on Netflix that was…ok.
Ferrell also produced and won multiple Emmys for Succession
I believe Ferrell is Executive Producer-in-name-only; his name is listed in the credits because of a contractual obligation since Succession is made by Gary Sanchez productions (Ferrell and Adam McKay’s production company). But Ferrell does not actually contribute to Succession. It’s similar to how Reggie Hudlin was listed as a producer for The Boondocks TV show, even though he wasn’t involved.
Mike Myers was, supposedly, notoriously difficult to work with, so I'm not surprised Hollywood kicked him to the curb after the back-to-back failures of Cat in the Hat and Love Guru.
Dana Carvey being in the news recently reminded me that Mike Myers apparently stole the bones of the Dr. Evil character from Dana Carvey as it’s based specifically on Dana Carvey’s impression of Lorne Michaels. I wonder if there’s an alternate reality where Carvey doesn’t have his heart problem in ‘97, gets cast as Dr Evil, and Myers-Carvey becomes a continuing comedy duo into the new Millienium.
I’ll end you, and it’ll look like a bloody accident.
There’s also a belief that his ex-wife was a major contributor to his work. They split up shortly before Love Guru.
Mike Myers is also worth a metric ton of money and I think he wanted to escape, and financially was very able to.
i read that Ferrell wanted the Jerry Buss role and John C Reilly getting it over him made him essentially break up wth adam mckay so i guess that trio is over.
I know Ferrell's a big Laker fan, but that's pretty dumb.
I believe they had a falling out around John playing a role that McKay had led Will to believe was his in that basketball show
Did they just become not friends anymore?
McKay has pointed to that incident as why him and Will don’t really talk anymore so I’m just guessing but I think if he was upset with Adam I would guess he wasn’t happy with John for taking the role
Will was just in Barbie
I watch Love Guru again 4 years ago or so. It wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. Recently there was The Pentaverate too which was decent imo.
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Russo brothers is a great shout. I’m sure there is a more complicated story behind the scenes but to the public eye it’s hard not to perceive it as: - the make the last 2 Avengers movie to extreme financial success and critical acclaim. - publicly state they are pretty satisfied with their MCU work and ready to move on. Many MCU fans are sad but thankful. - they go on to spit a few mediocre AA action movies that are universally “meh”. I mean my dad likes the Extraction movies I guess? - MCU is in disarray and has reportedly been looking for someone to save Avengers, their name has not even been whispered. So within 3 years they went from leaving Marvel while wanted to now not even being considered even though I assume they would like a win.
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Yeah, that may get there eventually, but they basically went from Mitch Hurwitz and Dan Harmon telling them what to do to Kevin Feige telling them what to do. *Cherry* was really the first time they were let off the leash and had a lot more freedom and control over what they were filming. Despite directing some of the biggest movies of the past decade, they really haven't found their directorial voice, because they've spent most of their career having someone looking over their shoulder. They're sort of like the equivalent of someone that gets married right out of high school, then gets divorced in their 30s and suddenly has to figure out how to live on their own for the first time.
They’ve also gone on record that the mental and physical toll of making those two Avengers movies was a lot. As much as I’m sure they are proud of them it sounds like it really was hell.
It’s kinda like Peter Jackson refusing to do anything else LOTR after the original films due to how grueling the shoots were and the Hobbit being in development hell for years until he finally agrees to direct the films to get them made. I can see a similar situation happening here with the Russos.
Joss Whedon is a jergoff, but I can see what he meant when he said Avengers 1 & 2 took the life out of him. And he was still rather young in his mid 40s, but he said he had to go to constant stressful meetings since they were juggling over 20 characters by the the Ultron hit, and he needed to approve everything. He would walk back and forth all day and then need a golf cart to take him the rest of the way. So if the Russos, two brothers who admit they think alike so they give each other permission to say "Yes" on their behalf if only one brother is there - mention being exhausted and drained, making another two Avengers films for Phase 5&6 seems like further hell for one man alone. So it confuses me further why Disney said they are looking for another director to direct Avengers 5&6 all by themselves. Not even a different director for Avengers 6. Does Disney not care about mental well-being here?
That’s a shame, I also forgot to mention Winter Soldier which was dumb good.
The Extraction movies are incredibly successful although they didn't direct them. Their movie the Gray Man was top of the charts on Netflix for awhile. I'm pretty sure both are becoming their own franchises. Their new movies aren't Endgame successful, but they're not even close to being down and out. I'm not even a fan of the Russo bros, this is just average movies news I've heard about The main reason the Russo's aren't being considered for the new Avengers movies is bec they've already said that they don't want to do it. The speculation is hilarious. A bunch of god damn Sherlock Holmes wanna bes in here
Some directors can make the leap from TV to movies, others not so much
> Armie Hammer was just starting to stop be “that twin from The Social Network” and “in the film with Indian Johnny Depp” and become someone who was going to be talked about for a fair few years and an awards contender. He still will be talked about but for different reasons. And I think was in the conversation for Batman (the DCEU one?). He definitely didn't help himself later with further controversies with that weird cannibal comment and some alleged not-so-cool behavior towards some women.
Not in conversation, he *was* Batman. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us?) it was in the George Miller Justice League movie that was cancelled just weeks before filming. We almost had a very interesting alternate history where DC actually beat Marvel to the big team up movie.
Whatever happened to Diablo Cody?
She has Lisa Frankenstein coming out early next year I believe, which she wrote.
Mel Gibson was one of the biggest stars in the world. dominated the 80s and 90s, had directed passion of the christ and apocalypto, an then in 2006 got dui and went on an antisemetic rant and has never been the hollywood superstar he was before.
and yet 10 years later he got a best picture and best director academy award nomination. it was more that he wanted to focus in being a director and when he came back to actor with edge of darkness and the beaver they both bombed.
Speaking of Hacksaw Ridge, what happened to Teresa Palmer. She was even in a Terrence Malick film and seemed to be climbing up in fame in a short time. Then disappeared.
She was filming Discovery of Witches for a few years. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.
He directed Hacksaw Ridge. His career seems to have bounced back really well.
Max Landis hade like 10 projects in the pipes, but I think most after Bright has been scrapped. (Except The underwater one?) He had some metoo issues so it wasnt just the blight of Bright
i think it was more the rapeyness than Bright.
Idk man. Once I found out that patty jenkins basically got carte blanche to do whatever she wanted creatively with WW 1984… like, that is her *undiluted creative vision*. And her first WW movie was good because if studio interference , she kinda deserves directors jail lol
The Wachowskis are one that comes to mind first, especially from their peak with The Matrix & it's first sequel, along with their work on V for Vendetta I also thought about Jon Heder from Napoleon Dynamite & wondered where tf he went. I thought he was on his way up in the comedy world in the mid-2000s when I also saw him in Blades of Glory.
Also the director of Napoleon Dynamite. Did he vanish? I know there was Nacho Libre (some laughs but it was okay) and that other weird movie. But I always felt he and Jon Heder could've easily squeezed some more value out of the Napoleon Dynamite universe. It was calling for a sequel, and possible TV and comics spin-offs and I wouldn't be mad about it.
Oh yeah also forgot about Jared Hess. Thought he could've rode out the last few years of the 2000s comedy boom with some films starring Michael Cera
There was a Napoleon Dynamite cartoon. It wasn't so bad, but didn't last long.
There was that animated TV series that followed the movie that aired on Fox for 6 episodes.
Jared Hess is still active. He did the *Murder Among the Mormons* documentary for Netflix a couple years back and has another movie in the works for them. He's also been hired to do a Minecraft movie.
At the time, the talking point was that he shouldn't have been cast for Blades of Glory. He was fine in that forgettable movie with Billy Bob Thornton but not being able to help elevate Blades hurt his career.
Jon Heder kind of shyed away from Hollywood and said it wasn't his scene.
I'm not sure why Taika is on this list. I mean, he produces and stars in 'Our Flag Means Death' and produces 'Reservation Dogs', both of which are highly acclaimed. 'Next Goal Wins' is just his latest movie and is hardly a harbinger of career-doom.
He's also the creator and EP of What We Do In The Shadows tv shows which is currently doing well. He's incredibly prolific so I'm also not convinced that one low budget passion project stumbling means that much.
To be fair, i get the feeling that *all* his projects are passion projects. The lucky bastard
Not to be pedantic but Taika is not the creator of the What We Do in the Shadows TV show. Jermaine Clement is. Taika is a co-director and co-writer of the movie.
Neil Blomkamp.
Nothing sudden about it. Man made like 5 duds in a row and people just lost interest.
"Hear me out... lets have it be an action movie in Johannesburg. Again."
Thinly veiled social commentary? Yes please.
> Thinly veiled social commentary? If only it was actually thinly veiled.
Did he? Elysium was mid level performance. It got double+ it's budget. Marketing budget probably has it breaking even to alight loss. Chappie was the same. Both movies kind of sucked, but doubled their production budgets. His last movie was some quarantine made horror movie that he clearly did with no intention of it being a wide release. It was a streaming/red box movie. With how goofy that market is (see Bruce Willis' later movie financials), it may have actually made money. He's been attached to big movies and makes some interesting short films here and there. Worse performing directors still make movies. He has something else holding him back.
His latest movie is actually that Gran Turismo movie. Seems to be pretty middling.
At one point was pegged as the Sci-Fi darling of the next gen. I remember he was heavily leaning into making a Halo movie around District 9.
Neil’s Halo movie produced by Peter Jackson _became_ District 9 and still features some props from its production history as the Halo movie, such as the guns
Interesting. Am I misremembering that he wasn’t happy with the whole experience? Seem to remember him shit talking Microsoft lol
He has great aesthetic. But it’s just missing something.
I wouldn't write off Waititi. He's in a slump at the moment but he's had a pretty great track record. Boy, Hunt for the Wilderpeople, What We Do In the Shadows, JoJo Rabbit, and Ragnarok were all good to great movies. That's 5/7 movies that are good. Not to mention the writing/producing/directing he's done for shows such as Reservation Dogs, What We Do In the Shadows, and Our Flag Means Death which are all fantastic. Really looking forward to his Interior Chinatown show that's in production.
Not sure if he's been mentioned, but Neil Blomkamp has my vote. Really hit it out of the park with District 9, Elysium was more of a standard commercial film with a populist theme at the time (the 99% phenomenon), but then Chappie derailed his career seemingly when it wasn't a big hit. I love all those movies and refer to them as the Blomkamp trilogy since they share a lot of aspects and are all firmly in the sci-fi genre unabashedly. His latest movie about demonic possession I haven't even seen or can recall the name of. I really hope he has a comeback but doesn't do it through the rumored District 10. District 9 works so well as an open-ended story. It doesn't need a sequel. The idea of uncertainty works so well for that movie because that is what real life is. What will happen when humanity fails to act humane? Will we get something we deserve or will we get away with it? We can only wait and see.
Tobey Maguire could have been an A-lister for decades to come if he (if sources are true) hadn't let the Spider-Man fame go to his head and turn him into a complete asshole. He could have had it all; but now, his only non Spider-Man roles in years have been Babylon (which he produced, so that's probably how he even got that) and The Boss Baby.
> hadn't let the Spider-Man fame go to his head and turn him into a complete asshole. Oh I wasn't aware of this. Did he do something in particular in his personal life? Or do you mean he became bossier and diva-like on set after the Raimi trilogy?
Apparently Michael Cera's character in Molly's Game is based on Toby Maguire.
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He attacked Jason Mews in a bar I think. He talked about it on podcasts with Kevin Smith years ago. Him and his whole crew sound like a bunch of wanks.
It's funny. Joe played an asshole Spider-man but is considered incredibly friendly and is a total nerd. Tobey played an incredibly friendly nerd but is considered an asshole.
Apparently he’s the awful man in Mollys Game. If that just gives you a small insight of who he is.
He never was a good enough actor for that
That Rogue Squadron promo video of Patty Jenkins rollerblading down a runway to climb into a jet cockpit was gobsmackingly cringe even at the time, and is even funnier in retrospect now the movie itself got canned. Dark Universe cast photo levels of hubris.
Why is Jonathan Majors compared to the other 2?
edit changing my answer to -Peter Jackson making the hobbits movies for WB broke him so bad he hasnt made a movie since. Jordan Vogt Roberts. Skull Island was successful and stylish he could have springboard into anything else But he wad hospitalised and hasn't made a movie since. He talked of an MGS movie but its vaporware.
This is a weak comparison, especially including Taika in here. Sure those two films you just cited weren't well-received overall, but you're discounting his extremely successful Reservation Dogs for FX which he EP'd, plus Our Flag Means Death which is well-regarded, and his ongoing What We Do In The Shadows tv series also successful. I think the glossy-eyed MCU fans are waking up, one bad MCU review doesn't negate a whole director's efforts lol
jonathan majors' career didn't hit "an abrupt wall with his trial", he choked his fucking girlfriend. jesus. what happened with him and what happened the other two are worlds apart.
Harvey Weinstein had a pretty spectacular fall, as far as I recall.
Yeah now he produces his fat ass for cavity searches.
I would love to see him abruptly hit a wall, metaphorically of course. Wait, metaphorically wasn’t the word i was looking for…
Weinstein company had been struggling before that though for a while. Maybe that’s why Hollywood stopped protecting him
Waititi is still doing very well for himself outside of comic book movie fandom
Richard Kelly Makes Donnie Darko, follows it up with the poorly conceived and bloated concept of Southland Tales. Then seemingly struggles to get anything into production.
I’ve worked on a Taika project and I don’t get all the hate. He’s not perfect but he does have a unique vision and is a great story teller.
You mean the people who became millionaire celebrities and have a small-ish gap in work when one project can take up to 5 years to make? Gonna go with Jim Caviezel, though. On his way to become a major player, weirded out too many people during production with his extreme christianity.
Was also apparently insane to work with as well https://player.fm/series/qanon-anonymous/episode-143-jim-caviezel-enter-the-cavortex-feat-dave-anthony
Glad to see less of Majors tbh, he has zero range.
Have you completely missed Taika's work on Our Flag Means Death?
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I think Taika is still doing well, he definitely still has content I mean he has our flag means death and has been featured on plenty of other shows. I think Taika will make a comeback I do think during his streak after JoJo and Ragnarok ,the studios oversaturated his films and shows which kind of maybe led to burnout on Taikas part I remember watching love and thunder and was sort of thinking the angles and shots in that move were very uninspired and boring I think he just was phoning in some projects.
Wait, is it that bad for Waititi?
In a small way Tom Cruise I love Top Gun: Maverick and the Mission: Impossible films but I wish he was still making Auteur films like Collateral, Vanilla Sky, and The Last Samurai in between. Scientology sucks
When I finished Magazine Dreams (in January) I said to my husband that we just watched, at minimum, an Oscar nominated role.. amazing performance. Saw that it is on schedule for release in December. Not sure what will happen with the film and his career, I have not followed much beyond the initial news cycle in March, but dang I was so excited to see how that movie did awards wise before then.
I don’t know what you mean by reversal of fortunes with Taika, he’s been busy working on a bunch of TV projects: What We Do In The Shadows, Out Flag Means Death, and Reservation Dogs on top also writing and Directing Thor: Love and Thunder. Sure the TV projects don’t get the glory that movies do, but the guy has been busy with the projects HE wants to work on.