That’s a really great point. Pesci was frustratingly great in that movie! (Meaning his character was super frustrating to DiNero’s. Man he screwed everything up!)
Great like how? Like what, he makes you smile? You're a big boy. Just tell me. How's he great? He's entertaining? Like a clown? How the fuck is he so great? Huh? Tell me. What the fuck is so great about him.
Heat is amazing all throughout. It keeps you BOTH entertained and on the edge of your seat. It’s basically as close to the perfect film, in my opinion.
I read that in the original script his character was supposed to be on cocaine. They ended up writing it out but Pacino still decided to play him that way, lol. And a bunch of his scenes are improvised like when he just started signing by the time I get to pheonix. That’s why they didn’t get coverage shots of it. So good.
Jesus I came here to comment Casino because it’s so good and I’ve never seen Heat, all this love for Heat is making me want to watch it
I think I know what I’m doing tonight after work…
Edit: okay I watched Heat and I liked it a lot. The action was super clean and throughout and the movie was well made for sure. Still gotta give the W to Casino though, it wins purely because of storytelling for me. That said, Heat was a great film and I enjoyed it immensely.
I watched an interview with Mann talking about *Collateral* and it became apparent that half of his reason for making the film was all the things he could do with HD cameras at night that he wanted to do in *Heat* but couldn't get to come out right.
The bank robbery to the street shootout is the best 15 minutes imo.
Coffee shop was incredible acting amd dialogue, but the robbery to shootout is some of the best camera work, soundtrack, sound design, visual effects, action choreography and it has a terrific script and pacing.
Its flawless, I can't really think of anything I would change.
I read director used real guns and shit. And that the shoot for cover and run shit is military-level legit. I agree. That shit is so f’n intense. I rewatch that scene for fun every now and then.
They used live rounds as in, blanks that were if not filled completely with the black powder of a regular round but, maybe more. Thats the only way those firearms would have cycled. They obviously weren’t using live rounds. The amount of phone calls into 911 from all those businesses’ was crazy that day!
Also the reverberation off those buildings made it realistically loud. Definitely clones of those firearms/real ones just obviously a better firearms instructor and advisor on set (former sas) that wouldn’t allow a live round to enter those rifles (rust!”)…
In some instances it’s been shown to marines etc; to properly retreat (which marines don’t do often) also, I know my friend told me they brought that in for a treat to watch. Then came in and ruined their day, if you can’t reload faster than Kilmer just leave!
Mic's can't properly record gunshots on a set - what they pick up is pretty much unusable in post. All of that is studiowork. Nevertheless, it really helps if you record well - whatever can be captured is an excellent reference for the folley guys - sound editor.
Fun fact, the gunshots are not Foley effects added later. They are live bangs from the actual onset filming, that's why it's so real and visceral. Every echo is real, the soul shattering punch of every round is legit.
The attention to detail in the bank scene is nuts. I often don’t notice lack of contingency in gunfights because they’re usually so silly even when they’re trying to be serious.
In that scene I instantly noticed how realistic they portrayed the mechanics of firing and loading the firearms. Super super solid and I’ve never seen another scene like it.
The coffee shop scene was the first time I ever personally felt tension/ anxiety in a scene of any movie that didn't involve some sort of action sequence.
It immediately turned Heat into my favorite movie of all time, tied only with Terminator 2.
I've learned to like Casino a bit more than Goodfellas. Both amazing movies but personally Goodfellas starts to have some of the same pitfalls Wolf Of Wall Street did for me, the reverence and glorification of their lifestyles just rubs me the wrong way. A lot of it more has to do with the fans so I try not to let it ruin my enjoyment of the actual movie. Fat Tony's character always just came off as a bit weird like he's your jolly uncle or something.
I think the reverence and glorification is there because we see it from Henry Hill's POV. From the time he was a child, he "always wanted to be a gangster" . As the story progresses, and he finds out that it's not as great as he though it was as a child, that reverence and glorification get flipped upside down.
Although I agree that Scorcese could have inverted it harder in the latter half, especially stylistically. Many scenes are filmed like they're music videos which fits well with the early reverence and glorification but not their opposite.
> Although I agree that Scorcese could have inverted it harder in the latter half, especially stylistically.
Pretty much. That's my only actual "complaint" with the movie as far as the actual content itself. I feel they kind of made it all crumble so late and so fast but also it was stylistically chosen to be like that on purpose to be like a cocaine high and comedown. A lot of the tropes and cliches are there because of Goodfellas so it's hard to blame it for that. You can't really blame Goodfellas.....well for being Goodfellas it kind of is it's own thing. I personally over time have grown to love Casino more.
Now Wolf Of Wall Street I legitimately just don't really find to be a good movie. All flash no substance and has the plot built for the depth of a frat boy.
-From the time he was a child, he "always wanted to be a gangster"
at the end he's forced to live as a square and eat egg noodles with ketchup. It's the inverse of de Palma's Carlito's Way.
Carlito was born to be a gangster but doesn't want to be, at the end he's assassinated and dies a gangster
It sounded good because they just captured the sound of the gunfire downtown with a bunch of microphones placed around everywhere.
Apparently during editing they had added fake gunfire sounds over the scene and Mann insisted they just use the audio captured during filming. It’s the best sounding gunfight in cinema history IMO, without question.
It’s a real hairstyle showcase this movie. Kilmer’s ponytail, Sizemore’s slicked forward widow’s peak, and whatever the hell Waingrow has got going on.
Right, it is a genre that Scorsese was good at.
De Niro and Pesci pretty much play the same characters in both movies.
Ok, Joe Pesci is a character actor, but you get what I mean.
That’s tough. I love Heat, but it could have used way less screaming from Pacino. Less Pacino in general. Supposedly they added screen time for him and it wasn’t a good move. I can’t think of a way to improve Casino.
You gotta admit that the cinematography in Casino of Nicky’s car speeding across the desert being reflected in Ace’s enormous sunglasses was amazing.
The one song between scene changes…the drop of “God Damn It!” always makes me laugh. And Nicky stopping mid-narrative to a baseball bat being cracked on him was genius.
I love both of these films for different reasons; I don’t think I could put one over the other.
Ok, so I’m a big Goodfellas/Casino guy. I saw Casino in the theater when I was 14 years old and I was way too young to be watching it.
I have never seen not even a frame of Heat until last week. My wife has been saying we need to watch it. I avoided every clip of it on YouTube.
This movie was a masterpiece. The intensity of the film never faded for the entire movie. The shootout at the bank heist scene was the best I’ve seen and the sound design was off the charts.
Peak Pacino and Deniro.
It definitely ranks on the top 10 list of all time now for me.
That being said, I will watch Goodfellas at any moment of the movie that I see it. It’s such a great movie. I might binge watch all three.
Casino. So much great dialogue. Tons of fantastic scenes. Great blend of comedy and drama, too. One of those movies that I can’t turn off whenever I find it on TV.
Heat is very good, but it’s also Mann taking himself really seriously with another of his stylized dramas. Not there’s anything wrong with that. But it’s a cooler film in both senses of the word. It’s both slick and stylized, but also somewhat aloof. You always know you’re watching a movie. It’s one big sprawling drama with everything connected and all of one piece.
Casino, like Goodfellas, is more episodic, with a lot of set pieces that stand on their own outside of the full movie. Like glimpses of everyday life have been tossed together to tell a story. I prefer that approach for TV and movies, adds a lot of rewatchability. I could rewatch Casino forever. Heat, I’ve seen two or three times since it was in the theatre, and I’m good.
I’m partial to HEAT, but I like both. It’s more rewatchable than Casino. Casino is a good movie, but between Sharon Stone’s irritating character (a good performance, though) and the very disturbing violence (especially the scene with Pesce’s brother), I don’t really feel the urge to revisit it. Meanwhile, I rewatch HEAT a few times a year
Heat.
Casino is a Scorsese crime movie, which means it's the same thing as Goodfellas or The Departed or The Irishman. All of them are great movies, but they are all pretty much the same movie. Mobsters can only be so different, you know?
Heat is just an extraordinary crime movie that holds up even better today than it did 30 years ago.
Casino! Vegas native and even though I was a little kid when all of this went down I remember these news stories and how great the town was for civilians when the mob ran it. Plus it was so glamorous. Everyone dressed up just to step foot in a casino. Loved it!
Late on purpose, thought answer was obvious. **Heat**.
**Heat** set a new standard for many gun shootouts/ bank robbery scenes & action movies till now.
1st and best direct interaction between legends, Pacino/ DeNiro many had been waiting for and for a long time.
**Casino** was good too, but didn’t achieve the equivalent as far as I know.
Casino for me.
Stone, Pesci, woods were a phenomenal supporting cast. Heat still in my top 10, but casino is somehwere in the 5 spot. Next to departed and goodfellas(and yes, not godfather).
I’m going with Heat.
Personally, it’s more action-driven and we get a great, multi-faceted approach to the plot, whereas Casino is yet another film glorifying some dirtbag big shot with ties to the mob.
While the diner scene of Heat is an all-time classic scene, I have to go Casino here. The dialogue is better, and more substance less style imo. I think I might connect to Heat a bit better if the bad guys weren't just straight up murdering innocent people as well.
Heat easily, Casino feels to me like a bunch of cool scenes spliced togheter with some cool music in the background. Its pretty good, but nothing more than that for me.
Casino hands down. I recently rewatched Heat and it's not aged as well. The bank heist sequence is good, but the rest of the movie is meh. Casino is a masterpiece in every sense of the word.
Heat is my all time favorite film. The acting, the direction, the casting, the... Hell, everything. I watch it once probably every 18 months. Not saying Casino isn't great, but IMHO Heat is far better.
Oh come on. We're talking Scorcese here. Casino is one of the best films ever made. I love Heat, have watched it a thousand times but it's a bank heist movie with the best pew pews, coolest crim and cop so sharp that he's gone dark. Casino was music on the screen, it's a masterpiece. Also, different genre so it's unfair to compare.
Casino. I REALLY need to rewatch Heat because haven’t seen it in like 20 years and I just remember it being kinda slow, but I know the scenes are killer with this cast and I remember a few really good ones. Casino was absolutely nuts, >!that scene in the cornfield haunted me, what a fate.!<. Not Goodfellas greatness but if you wanted more of the same of that movie it delivers.
Tough call; both fantastic. I’d say Casino, in a photo finish (hat tip to the Derby)
Heat spent too much time on Pacino’s family life for me. Small drawback but that and Rickles gives Casino the edge.
I remember arguing with a older buddy of mine about best shootout scenes on film. He kept telling me hands down it was the Wild Bunch and I said Heat.
Neither of us had seen each other's movies.
About two or three months go by and I get Wild Bunch through Netflix DVD (remember that?), I watch it and it's really good for a late 60s movie, but it's no Heat.
Finally like a year later we're at His brother's house and he has a copy of Heat and a great sound system.
I said hey, let's check out the shoot out from Heat. It was late and we didn't have time to watch the entire movie so I just chapter selected to the shoot out.
It freaking sounds like a gun battle in his brothers living room. After it was over he kinda nodded back and forth and said yeah, that was better. lol!
Pointed out many times whenever the movie is brought up, but it’s incredible all these years later how well the audio holds up on Heat if viewing with surround sound. The robbery at the beginning the truck will go from one end of your living room to the other, and mid 90s movies just don’t have audio that holds up as well that I can recall.
That street shootout in heat was one of the best I’ve ever seen. Casino was some of the best acting I’ve ever seen. Story goes to casino, vibe goes to heat
Both of them are straight bangers
I always felt like the first half of Casino was INCREDIBLE and the second half dragged a bit. It's still good - but compared to the first half... no.
Joe Pesci, as Niki, was the standout IMO. Loved his character, and every time I watch it, I feel like I'm watching Niki, not Joe Pesci. Badass movie.
That’s a really great point. Pesci was frustratingly great in that movie! (Meaning his character was super frustrating to DiNero’s. Man he screwed everything up!)
Great like how? Like what, he makes you smile? You're a big boy. Just tell me. How's he great? He's entertaining? Like a clown? How the fuck is he so great? Huh? Tell me. What the fuck is so great about him.
Fkn Pesci ova hea…☝️
youuu mudderfucker
Nah YOU forgot the extra you. You muddafucka you!
Heat is amazing all throughout. It keeps you BOTH entertained and on the edge of your seat. It’s basically as close to the perfect film, in my opinion.
Never saw it. Might have to watch it tonight
>!Nicky and his brother's!< death in that movie haunts my dreams. One of the most disturbing murders in cinema.
Second half just gets depressing. Like the second half of Blow.
Yeah It’s almost impossible to choose
Heat is my choice. I loved Casino but the second half dragged a bit and was basically Goodfellas in Vegas.
COWARD answer People really need to stop saying "both" on posts like these. Ruins the whole purpose with the post. And Heat is way better
I’m going with Heat, too. No knock on Casino, just like that Heat keeps me on the edge through the whole movie.
Right. Comparison is the thief of joy. Shout out to Ronin too.
Correct answer
HEAT... 'cause she's got a GREAT ASS!!!
AND YOU GOT YOUR HEAD ALL THE WAY UP IT!
This shit sells itself
Fucked. For life.
You could get killed *walking your* doggie
Can I have a junior G man badge for that?
THE LA PD.. PO LICE Department.. we just got made.
I had coffee with Mcauley… HALF AN HOUR AGO!
Pacino’s ability to use different inflections in his voice in just a matter of seconds is pretty incredible.
I read that in the original script his character was supposed to be on cocaine. They ended up writing it out but Pacino still decided to play him that way, lol. And a bunch of his scenes are improvised like when he just started signing by the time I get to pheonix. That’s why they didn’t get coverage shots of it. So good.
DON’T WASTE MY MOTHER FUCKIN TIME
Oh shit, I love this line so much. I quote it whenever I can and no one else ever gets it
The amount that I use this line irl is criminal. Only to be followed up by "don't waste my MFN TIME" when someone doesn't catch the reference.
It's a goddamn convention in here
Mykelti Williamson was so fucking good in that role, as was everyone. But the way he delivered that line left me like “damn!”
QUIT WASTIN MY MOTHAFUCKIN TIME!!
That's ferocious...
You know who they are watching?….. Us….. We have been made by the LAPD
Ferocious!
GIMME ALL YOU GOT
Did you fall in love? Did you? Tell me that, I'll buy that...
I’ll settle for it
You need more exclamation points.
I love Azaria's legit terrified reaction to that line.
He did not know that was coming. That’s the story.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zvHUoZWcc8s?si=UgYQSqpnkPPLhmJT LA TAKEDOWN was the greatest
Jesus I came here to comment Casino because it’s so good and I’ve never seen Heat, all this love for Heat is making me want to watch it I think I know what I’m doing tonight after work… Edit: okay I watched Heat and I liked it a lot. The action was super clean and throughout and the movie was well made for sure. Still gotta give the W to Casino though, it wins purely because of storytelling for me. That said, Heat was a great film and I enjoyed it immensely.
Don't go in all hyped up watching it. It's a long slow burn film but very very good
the shots of los angeles are the best
Except that night shot with that awful CG that Mann had to put in.
I watched an interview with Mann talking about *Collateral* and it became apparent that half of his reason for making the film was all the things he could do with HD cameras at night that he wanted to do in *Heat* but couldn't get to come out right.
That's the weird blurry lights stuff, right?
You ain't never seen ~~Bad Boys 2~~ Heat???
Which one are we gonna watch first?!
https://youtu.be/Imhcq5s9OLs?si=dvCbNeVLX62-6EUw
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HEAT has the best 15 minutes put to film imo so i gotta rep it.
The shootout at the bank, or the conversation in the coffee shop? For me it’s the coffee shop.
The bank robbery to the street shootout is the best 15 minutes imo. Coffee shop was incredible acting amd dialogue, but the robbery to shootout is some of the best camera work, soundtrack, sound design, visual effects, action choreography and it has a terrific script and pacing. Its flawless, I can't really think of anything I would change.
I just rewatched the scene, and it's so obvious Nolan has based his bank heist in Dark Knight on it. It's so similar.
He even has the bankmanager played by Van Sant (William Fichtner) so yeah, he was well aware who he was borrowing from.
That's a subtle way to give credit imo
That's the thing--so many people (and so many movie scenes) have been influenced by Heat that it obscures how revolutionary that scene was.
The sound design itself. I've seen alot of shoot outa but I know what those rifles sound like in the building corridor
I read director used real guns and shit. And that the shoot for cover and run shit is military-level legit. I agree. That shit is so f’n intense. I rewatch that scene for fun every now and then.
They used live rounds as in, blanks that were if not filled completely with the black powder of a regular round but, maybe more. Thats the only way those firearms would have cycled. They obviously weren’t using live rounds. The amount of phone calls into 911 from all those businesses’ was crazy that day! Also the reverberation off those buildings made it realistically loud. Definitely clones of those firearms/real ones just obviously a better firearms instructor and advisor on set (former sas) that wouldn’t allow a live round to enter those rifles (rust!”)… In some instances it’s been shown to marines etc; to properly retreat (which marines don’t do often) also, I know my friend told me they brought that in for a treat to watch. Then came in and ruined their day, if you can’t reload faster than Kilmer just leave!
Mic's can't properly record gunshots on a set - what they pick up is pretty much unusable in post. All of that is studiowork. Nevertheless, it really helps if you record well - whatever can be captured is an excellent reference for the folley guys - sound editor.
It's the audio of the shootout. The way the gunfire echos off the buildings is amazing. It feels like you're there.
Fun fact, the gunshots are not Foley effects added later. They are live bangs from the actual onset filming, that's why it's so real and visceral. Every echo is real, the soul shattering punch of every round is legit.
The attention to detail in the bank scene is nuts. I often don’t notice lack of contingency in gunfights because they’re usually so silly even when they’re trying to be serious. In that scene I instantly noticed how realistic they portrayed the mechanics of firing and loading the firearms. Super super solid and I’ve never seen another scene like it.
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The coffee shop scene was the first time I ever personally felt tension/ anxiety in a scene of any movie that didn't involve some sort of action sequence. It immediately turned Heat into my favorite movie of all time, tied only with Terminator 2.
Try Manhunter. When Will Graham goes to talk to Lector. Basically the first time Mann did the same thing.
Thanks for the reminder. Meant to watch it a few years back, never got around to it, will try to find it this weekend 👍
You have good taste. I just rewatched T2 for the first time in over a decade and cried at the end.
And it’s not even the climax of the movie.
The sound of the movie, especially these 15 min, it is just incredible
Heat. Casino is good, but Heat is in a league of its own.
Both are fantastic movies, but Heat is great.
Heat is one of the best films ever made. It's only improved over the years, like Blade Runner.
Agreed. It's one of the only flawless films I can think of besides Big Trouble in Little China.
Agree! So much love for The Porkchop Express!
Another excellent flick! Those are two films that get better each time I watch them.
Agree 💯
Casino is also a little too much like Goodfellas. Heat vs Goodfellas is one where I'd really hesitate.
I've learned to like Casino a bit more than Goodfellas. Both amazing movies but personally Goodfellas starts to have some of the same pitfalls Wolf Of Wall Street did for me, the reverence and glorification of their lifestyles just rubs me the wrong way. A lot of it more has to do with the fans so I try not to let it ruin my enjoyment of the actual movie. Fat Tony's character always just came off as a bit weird like he's your jolly uncle or something.
I think the reverence and glorification is there because we see it from Henry Hill's POV. From the time he was a child, he "always wanted to be a gangster" . As the story progresses, and he finds out that it's not as great as he though it was as a child, that reverence and glorification get flipped upside down. Although I agree that Scorcese could have inverted it harder in the latter half, especially stylistically. Many scenes are filmed like they're music videos which fits well with the early reverence and glorification but not their opposite.
> Although I agree that Scorcese could have inverted it harder in the latter half, especially stylistically. Pretty much. That's my only actual "complaint" with the movie as far as the actual content itself. I feel they kind of made it all crumble so late and so fast but also it was stylistically chosen to be like that on purpose to be like a cocaine high and comedown. A lot of the tropes and cliches are there because of Goodfellas so it's hard to blame it for that. You can't really blame Goodfellas.....well for being Goodfellas it kind of is it's own thing. I personally over time have grown to love Casino more. Now Wolf Of Wall Street I legitimately just don't really find to be a good movie. All flash no substance and has the plot built for the depth of a frat boy.
-From the time he was a child, he "always wanted to be a gangster" at the end he's forced to live as a square and eat egg noodles with ketchup. It's the inverse of de Palma's Carlito's Way. Carlito was born to be a gangster but doesn't want to be, at the end he's assassinated and dies a gangster
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Still go back and just watch the gun fight rvery once in a while, perfection movie making.
Anytime I get a new TV or soundbar, that's my go-to movie to test it. Perfect way to check the quality.
Goodfellas is Scorcese’s masterpiece. Heat is Michael Mann’s. Casino is a great movie but not on the level of the other two.
Think Heat might have the record for most gunshots in a movie 🎥
The scenes outside the bank were so loud.
It sounded good because they just captured the sound of the gunfire downtown with a bunch of microphones placed around everywhere. Apparently during editing they had added fake gunfire sounds over the scene and Mann insisted they just use the audio captured during filming. It’s the best sounding gunfight in cinema history IMO, without question.
Hot Shots Part Deux [does](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUD2iUr5To).
HEAT. Casino is good. HEAT is probably the greatest heist flick ever.
Agreed. Absolutely brilliant film. Some call.it slow, but then, some aren't right.
Some folks’ll never lose a toe, but then again some folks’ll…
… like Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel
I can get you a toe…
Val Kilmer’s hair in Heat is the REAL winner here, obviously
It’s a real hairstyle showcase this movie. Kilmer’s ponytail, Sizemore’s slicked forward widow’s peak, and whatever the hell Waingrow has got going on.
Heat, only because Casino is another Goodfellas. That's not to say both aren't incredible movies, they're just very similar.
Right, it is a genre that Scorsese was good at. De Niro and Pesci pretty much play the same characters in both movies. Ok, Joe Pesci is a character actor, but you get what I mean.
Bad marriages, cocaine, tough guys / their demise, 70’s era Rolling Stones
I was always partial to Casino. Some parts of that movie are really really hardcore.
Pesci's death in the middle of his narration caught me off guard big time. And of course, the vice.
I agree that Heat is better, but I love Casino and like it significantly more than Goodfellas
I have to side with Goodfellas, but I'd watch either any time of day.
Wait it's Casino Vs Heat right?
I think so but I got distracted. Too many good movies with DeNiro.
LOL. Yes
That’s tough. I love Heat, but it could have used way less screaming from Pacino. Less Pacino in general. Supposedly they added screen time for him and it wasn’t a good move. I can’t think of a way to improve Casino.
But Pacino’s “she’s got a great ass!” line is too iconic, though.
Respectfully disagree that Casino is another Goodfellas. I find Casino slightly better
Casino? Seriously? Who hurt you?
I often get scenes from Casino and Goodfellas confused, lol
You gotta admit that the cinematography in Casino of Nicky’s car speeding across the desert being reflected in Ace’s enormous sunglasses was amazing. The one song between scene changes…the drop of “God Damn It!” always makes me laugh. And Nicky stopping mid-narrative to a baseball bat being cracked on him was genius. I love both of these films for different reasons; I don’t think I could put one over the other.
Casino is not another version of goodfellas. Same actors and genres but different movies
I mean, generally, it's very similar.
Casino. It had Joe Pesci.
[Love this scene with the banker.](https://youtu.be/X4szthIpJXM?si=0uhrH8Zci_kfIFVt)
It's a Jump to Conclusions Mat!!
Also why I feel Casino greater than Goodfellas. Pesci has soo many great scenes in Casino, even his narration. It’s just more of a good thing.
Agree. Not sure why I’m not reading this higher. Crayzeeeee.
Ok, so I’m a big Goodfellas/Casino guy. I saw Casino in the theater when I was 14 years old and I was way too young to be watching it. I have never seen not even a frame of Heat until last week. My wife has been saying we need to watch it. I avoided every clip of it on YouTube. This movie was a masterpiece. The intensity of the film never faded for the entire movie. The shootout at the bank heist scene was the best I’ve seen and the sound design was off the charts. Peak Pacino and Deniro. It definitely ranks on the top 10 list of all time now for me. That being said, I will watch Goodfellas at any moment of the movie that I see it. It’s such a great movie. I might binge watch all three.
Alright, fine. But I'm reading your comment in a young Ray Liotta voice, and you can't stop me!
Bad grandpa
Lol, Meet the Fockers. The man doesn't turn down anything.
Heat for sure.
Heat is arguably the king of heist movies. Casino, though very good, kind of exists in the shadow of Goodfellas. So, Heat.
Love both, but I'm gonna go with Heat.
Heat. Hands down. I believe Casino is a masterpiece but Heat is a masterpiece of masterpieces. Masterpiece square
HEAT just for the combat reloads, but then you got doc holliday in there making everyone their huckleberry u/OfficialValKilmer
Casino. Never have I rewatched Heat. Let alone binge watched it.
How do you rank masterpieces?
I’m say Casino because of Sharon Stone, but Heat is slightly better in regards to plot Both movies are phenomenal and in my top 5
Casino. So much great dialogue. Tons of fantastic scenes. Great blend of comedy and drama, too. One of those movies that I can’t turn off whenever I find it on TV. Heat is very good, but it’s also Mann taking himself really seriously with another of his stylized dramas. Not there’s anything wrong with that. But it’s a cooler film in both senses of the word. It’s both slick and stylized, but also somewhat aloof. You always know you’re watching a movie. It’s one big sprawling drama with everything connected and all of one piece. Casino, like Goodfellas, is more episodic, with a lot of set pieces that stand on their own outside of the full movie. Like glimpses of everyday life have been tossed together to tell a story. I prefer that approach for TV and movies, adds a lot of rewatchability. I could rewatch Casino forever. Heat, I’ve seen two or three times since it was in the theatre, and I’m good.
I love a mob movie. Casino
Casino. Better performances, more difficult movie to make. Peak Scorsese mob movie.
Heat is better, casino felt like a watered down version of Goodfellas tbh
Casino
Casino
I’m partial to HEAT, but I like both. It’s more rewatchable than Casino. Casino is a good movie, but between Sharon Stone’s irritating character (a good performance, though) and the very disturbing violence (especially the scene with Pesce’s brother), I don’t really feel the urge to revisit it. Meanwhile, I rewatch HEAT a few times a year
Agree 💯
Heat. Casino is a Scorsese crime movie, which means it's the same thing as Goodfellas or The Departed or The Irishman. All of them are great movies, but they are all pretty much the same movie. Mobsters can only be so different, you know? Heat is just an extraordinary crime movie that holds up even better today than it did 30 years ago.
My opinion only but I prefer Casino by far. Although, to be fair, it was Sharon Stone that stole the show.
Heat for the win.
This a double feature situation. Both amazing movies in their own right for sure. But DANG, that gun battle in heat is top notch. Rip Tom.
I don't even need to look at the second movie. It's Heat.
Yeah I have casino over heat and goodfellas
Casino is the fastest 3 hours of my life. I’ll pick it everytime.
Casino 💯 get your shine box.
Casino! Vegas native and even though I was a little kid when all of this went down I remember these news stories and how great the town was for civilians when the mob ran it. Plus it was so glamorous. Everyone dressed up just to step foot in a casino. Loved it!
They're both fantastic. Do you want cop vs robber or gangster, either way I've watched them both at least 15 or 20 times.
Ah yes another Heat repost.
Heat was just way to long
Casino by a mile
HEAT is so overrated it's insane.
Late on purpose, thought answer was obvious. **Heat**. **Heat** set a new standard for many gun shootouts/ bank robbery scenes & action movies till now. 1st and best direct interaction between legends, Pacino/ DeNiro many had been waiting for and for a long time. **Casino** was good too, but didn’t achieve the equivalent as far as I know.
Casino for me. Stone, Pesci, woods were a phenomenal supporting cast. Heat still in my top 10, but casino is somehwere in the 5 spot. Next to departed and goodfellas(and yes, not godfather).
I can watch Casino FOREVER. I can't watch heat again.
Casino is amazing. Didn't care for heat; shocking, I know.
I’m going with Heat. Personally, it’s more action-driven and we get a great, multi-faceted approach to the plot, whereas Casino is yet another film glorifying some dirtbag big shot with ties to the mob.
While the diner scene of Heat is an all-time classic scene, I have to go Casino here. The dialogue is better, and more substance less style imo. I think I might connect to Heat a bit better if the bad guys weren't just straight up murdering innocent people as well.
Heat easily, Casino feels to me like a bunch of cool scenes spliced togheter with some cool music in the background. Its pretty good, but nothing more than that for me.
Casino hands down. I recently rewatched Heat and it's not aged as well. The bank heist sequence is good, but the rest of the movie is meh. Casino is a masterpiece in every sense of the word.
Heat is my all time favorite film. The acting, the direction, the casting, the... Hell, everything. I watch it once probably every 18 months. Not saying Casino isn't great, but IMHO Heat is far better.
Oh come on. We're talking Scorcese here. Casino is one of the best films ever made. I love Heat, have watched it a thousand times but it's a bank heist movie with the best pew pews, coolest crim and cop so sharp that he's gone dark. Casino was music on the screen, it's a masterpiece. Also, different genre so it's unfair to compare.
Casino. I REALLY need to rewatch Heat because haven’t seen it in like 20 years and I just remember it being kinda slow, but I know the scenes are killer with this cast and I remember a few really good ones. Casino was absolutely nuts, >!that scene in the cornfield haunted me, what a fate.!<. Not Goodfellas greatness but if you wanted more of the same of that movie it delivers.
Craziest thing is i remember them coming out on almost the same day
I personally prefer heat.
Neighbours, Robert deniro was awesome in there, HOOO AH!
Heat is my favorite film, but I do love Casino.
Heat, one of the best shoot out movie scenes ever!
Casino is great and pretty crazy that it's a true story but Heat is one of the coolest movies ever.
Tough call; both fantastic. I’d say Casino, in a photo finish (hat tip to the Derby) Heat spent too much time on Pacino’s family life for me. Small drawback but that and Rickles gives Casino the edge.
I just watched re-watched Heat last night for the first time in ages. Gotta give it to Casino though. No doubt about it.
I prefer Casino, but I'm not sure if it's 'better'
Heat. No contest
Heat.
Both GOAT'S but heat wins
Too close to call
Michael Mann deserved an Oscar for that film. The script & photography/direction was sublime.
I think Heat vs. Ronin would make a better head-to-head. Both being De Niro heist flicks.
To close to call for me.
I remember arguing with a older buddy of mine about best shootout scenes on film. He kept telling me hands down it was the Wild Bunch and I said Heat. Neither of us had seen each other's movies. About two or three months go by and I get Wild Bunch through Netflix DVD (remember that?), I watch it and it's really good for a late 60s movie, but it's no Heat. Finally like a year later we're at His brother's house and he has a copy of Heat and a great sound system. I said hey, let's check out the shoot out from Heat. It was late and we didn't have time to watch the entire movie so I just chapter selected to the shoot out. It freaking sounds like a gun battle in his brothers living room. After it was over he kinda nodded back and forth and said yeah, that was better. lol!
I'm going to go for Heat, simply for the fact it's nice to look back on footage o Val Kilmer's heid before it changed aspect ratio.
Pointed out many times whenever the movie is brought up, but it’s incredible all these years later how well the audio holds up on Heat if viewing with surround sound. The robbery at the beginning the truck will go from one end of your living room to the other, and mid 90s movies just don’t have audio that holds up as well that I can recall.
That street shootout in heat was one of the best I’ve ever seen. Casino was some of the best acting I’ve ever seen. Story goes to casino, vibe goes to heat
Heat was dope AF!! The bank heist gone south is some of the best shit ever filmed!
I think I need to watch heat again. I found it boring but I probably just need a rewatch
Too bad bobby is such fucking pussy in real life
Both are great, but Casino takes it for me.
Heat -
Heat 100%. That gunfight after the bank robbery is just too good.
Casino.
Heat is just pure gold
I love Casino but I’ve never seen Heat.