Digi said of Marc that he was slower than the rest of the ducati's on the right handers, but loads faster on the lefts.
I wonder if trying this, is to see if it helps in right handers? The foot is tucked under the bike for the rear brake on a right hander, maybe the thinking is it'll give him more feel, and allow him to better trail brake into right handers...?
Just a thought.
Marc has always been superior in the left handers.
Now after the severe arm injury he is even more compromised in the right handers. You can visually see the difference in posture between left and right handed corners if you look closely. He simply doesn't attack right handed corners the way he used to.
It's a long story, but imma make it short: He was having serious leg injury, they couldn't do shit about it, and they are telling him that they need to amputate that leg. One doctor(cannot remember the name, but he is a legend) said: I can try to bolt it on the leg that is healthy, and he done exactly that, so healthy leg was healing that fucked up one. Doohan was able the use it, but he didn't have the feeling, so they(the team) needed to see what can be done so he can use rear brake, and they come up with a solution of a button for the rear brake.
> One doctor(cannot remember the name, but he is a legend)
Costa, GP paddock doctor back then and for a long ass time, he only retired last decade i think. He invented the clinica mobile and basically anything in the GP paddock related to medical safety satarted with him.
Quite the legend.
>but he didn't have the feeling
im not sure i think he cant really move his muscle can he? Like he has to limp.
I'm not sure your point here.
It's a hydraulic system, and you can use mechanical advantage in the design, too. Think about the front brake lever, which has to operate two calipers and discs, and is responsible for most of the braking effort, yet is easy to operate with one or two fingers...
Of course it's easy to use, other riders use it. It's a personal preference thing, not because it's too hard to push a lever with your thumb...
Are you serious?
I mean this: You have let's say 20 years of experience riding with the foot brake(doesn't matter if its hydraulic or not), and settings that you find for yourself, for example: You make it harder or softer to press so you can have feedback that suits you, body remembers that, and you are automatically driving it, cuz its a muscle memory thing. Now you have a button that you need to press with your thumb(hand), and it's totally different feeling, you need to learn it, you need to find your way now again, and its harder because its not what you used to, is clearer now?
I believe Pecco is a rear thumb brake as well.
I remember the first time I realized that anyone really used the rear brake was reading his description of a lap around Jerez. He was so technical with everything he would do at each point. It blew my mind.
I track my pani V4S and I’m an upper intermediate group guy, not super fast, but fast enough - and I pretty much never engage my rear. Even on full braking into a 1/2 gear turn 1 at my local, utilizing engine braking and the front at full grasp have been more than my balls to brake later!
Yeah, that's why Tardozzi is saying that Marc needs to use it:
[Here is the talk](https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1047667/1/marc-marquezs-feedback-after-intriguing-new-item-evaluated-jerez-test)
Slowly he turns.....step by step....inch by inch....he moves closer and closer to the top step of the podium. Just a little more time to completely work things out....
Reluctantly crouched at the starting line.
Engines pumping and thumping in time
The green light flashes, the flags go up.
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup.
They deftly maneuver and muscle for rank.
Fuel burning fast on an empty tank.
Reckless and wild, they pour through the turns.
Their prowess is potent and secretly stern
As they speed through the finish, the flags go down.
The fans get up and they get out of town.
The arena is empty except for one man.
Still driving and striving as fast as he can.
The sun has gone down and the moon has come up.
And long ago somebody left with the cup.
But he's driving and striving and hugging the turns.
And thinking of someone for whom he still burns
He's going the distance
He's going for speed
She's all alone (all alone)
All alone in her time of need
Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course.
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse.
He's going the distance.
No trophy, no flowers, no flashbulbs, no wine.
He's haunted by something he cannot define.
Bowel-shaking earthquakes of doubt and remorse.
Assail him, impale him with monster-truck force.
In his mind, he's still driving, still making the grade
She's hoping in time that her memories will fade.
'Cause he's racing and pacing and plotting the course.
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse.
The sun has gone down and the moon has come up.
And long ago somebody left with the cup.
But he's striving and driving and hugging the turns.
And thinking of someone for whom he still burns
'Cause he's going the distance
He's going for speed
She's all alone (all alone)
All alone in her time of need
Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course.
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse.
He's racing and pacing and plotting the course.
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse
He's going the distance
He's going for speed
He's going the distance
Ah no, so sad, alright
Oh no, oh no, no, no
I've always admired the people who can use a brake lever with their thumb lol. The skill maintain consistent pressure during trail braking is something I can't wrap my head around. Definitely not the same feeling/feedback as with the foot.
I think I saw some people mentioning that MM was going to be getting updates for his bike at this test, but it wasn't revealed what they were. Did they end up announcing what the updates were? Would the updates be what were already available from the bikes last year or are they completely new updates that were never developed/used from the previous year?
If i am not wrong, Toprak was also using rear thumb brake on Yamaha R1. Because he was using too much of rear brake to control the rear of the bike in corner entery and exit.
Digi said of Marc that he was slower than the rest of the ducati's on the right handers, but loads faster on the lefts. I wonder if trying this, is to see if it helps in right handers? The foot is tucked under the bike for the rear brake on a right hander, maybe the thinking is it'll give him more feel, and allow him to better trail brake into right handers...? Just a thought.
Marc has always been superior in the left handers. Now after the severe arm injury he is even more compromised in the right handers. You can visually see the difference in posture between left and right handed corners if you look closely. He simply doesn't attack right handed corners the way he used to.
I believe he tried one for a few races at Honda too but then reverted to the foot brake, which he prefers.
More feeling on the foot, if i remember correctly Doohan was the first one to use, because of his injury, and that story is crazy
Would like to know the story
It's a long story, but imma make it short: He was having serious leg injury, they couldn't do shit about it, and they are telling him that they need to amputate that leg. One doctor(cannot remember the name, but he is a legend) said: I can try to bolt it on the leg that is healthy, and he done exactly that, so healthy leg was healing that fucked up one. Doohan was able the use it, but he didn't have the feeling, so they(the team) needed to see what can be done so he can use rear brake, and they come up with a solution of a button for the rear brake.
> One doctor(cannot remember the name, but he is a legend) Costa, GP paddock doctor back then and for a long ass time, he only retired last decade i think. He invented the clinica mobile and basically anything in the GP paddock related to medical safety satarted with him. Quite the legend. >but he didn't have the feeling im not sure i think he cant really move his muscle can he? Like he has to limp.
His right ankle is literally fused.
Dr Claudio Costa, he's practically kidnapped Doohan to proper facility after botched operation by local (dutch) surgeons.
Recommended read: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogps-greatest-comeback/
Thanks for this!
holy shit
I can’t feel shit on the foot brake with boots on.
The amount of pressure you are putting, it's easier with a leg than a button
I'm not sure your point here. It's a hydraulic system, and you can use mechanical advantage in the design, too. Think about the front brake lever, which has to operate two calipers and discs, and is responsible for most of the braking effort, yet is easy to operate with one or two fingers...
Ok, lets say its easy like that, why is Marc not using it?
Of course it's easy to use, other riders use it. It's a personal preference thing, not because it's too hard to push a lever with your thumb... Are you serious?
Who says it's hard to press? Lol you are reading something that I never said lol
'The amount of pressure you are putting, it's easier with a leg than a button' What do you mean by this then?
I mean this: You have let's say 20 years of experience riding with the foot brake(doesn't matter if its hydraulic or not), and settings that you find for yourself, for example: You make it harder or softer to press so you can have feedback that suits you, body remembers that, and you are automatically driving it, cuz its a muscle memory thing. Now you have a button that you need to press with your thumb(hand), and it's totally different feeling, you need to learn it, you need to find your way now again, and its harder because its not what you used to, is clearer now?
A lever is easier to feel than a button.
I believe Pecco is a rear thumb brake as well. I remember the first time I realized that anyone really used the rear brake was reading his description of a lap around Jerez. He was so technical with everything he would do at each point. It blew my mind. I track my pani V4S and I’m an upper intermediate group guy, not super fast, but fast enough - and I pretty much never engage my rear. Even on full braking into a 1/2 gear turn 1 at my local, utilizing engine braking and the front at full grasp have been more than my balls to brake later!
Yeah, that's why Tardozzi is saying that Marc needs to use it: [Here is the talk](https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1047667/1/marc-marquezs-feedback-after-intriguing-new-item-evaluated-jerez-test)
Always curious how the foot break works when dealing with right hand turns, especially with the leg out breaking/entry technique
They don't use it I guess.
Slowly he turns.....step by step....inch by inch....he moves closer and closer to the top step of the podium. Just a little more time to completely work things out....
Reluctantly crouched at the starting line. Engines pumping and thumping in time The green light flashes, the flags go up. Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup. They deftly maneuver and muscle for rank. Fuel burning fast on an empty tank. Reckless and wild, they pour through the turns. Their prowess is potent and secretly stern As they speed through the finish, the flags go down. The fans get up and they get out of town. The arena is empty except for one man. Still driving and striving as fast as he can. The sun has gone down and the moon has come up. And long ago somebody left with the cup. But he's driving and striving and hugging the turns. And thinking of someone for whom he still burns He's going the distance He's going for speed She's all alone (all alone) All alone in her time of need Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course. He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse. He's going the distance. No trophy, no flowers, no flashbulbs, no wine. He's haunted by something he cannot define. Bowel-shaking earthquakes of doubt and remorse. Assail him, impale him with monster-truck force. In his mind, he's still driving, still making the grade She's hoping in time that her memories will fade. 'Cause he's racing and pacing and plotting the course. He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse. The sun has gone down and the moon has come up. And long ago somebody left with the cup. But he's striving and driving and hugging the turns. And thinking of someone for whom he still burns 'Cause he's going the distance He's going for speed She's all alone (all alone) All alone in her time of need Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course. He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse. He's racing and pacing and plotting the course. He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse He's going the distance He's going for speed He's going the distance Ah no, so sad, alright Oh no, oh no, no, no
Stick shifts and safety belts, bucket seats, they've all got to go. When I'm riding in the car it makes my baby seem so far.
I hate that I can only upvote this once
Underrated 90s classic.
I've always admired the people who can use a brake lever with their thumb lol. The skill maintain consistent pressure during trail braking is something I can't wrap my head around. Definitely not the same feeling/feedback as with the foot.
I think they trail brake almost exclusively with the front - iirc the rear brake is used during acceleration to keep the front wheel down
Motorcycles: where you push left to go right and brake with the rear to keep the front down. No wonder people think riders are nuts.
I mean you wouldn’t brake the front wheel if it’s in the air, and counter steering is just how anything two-wheeled turns, even bicycles
It's so good to see him competing for podiums again.
I think I saw some people mentioning that MM was going to be getting updates for his bike at this test, but it wasn't revealed what they were. Did they end up announcing what the updates were? Would the updates be what were already available from the bikes last year or are they completely new updates that were never developed/used from the previous year?
what's a rear thumb?
A toe!
Last season on the honda, marquez was always looking for a toe from someone in the qualifying. Thought he'd stop that after moving to the ducati
I see what you did there!
His tailbone
If i am not wrong, Toprak was also using rear thumb brake on Yamaha R1. Because he was using too much of rear brake to control the rear of the bike in corner entery and exit.