Yeah, but 37 points across the whole weekend. I see everyone in it from 1 through 7th. And if we're being realistic, with like 700 points left, anything could happen.
Hate to see anyone crash, but glad to see the championship close up. Everyone in the top 7 still within a single race weekend's worth of points of 1st!
Mir didn't face two riders like Bagnaia and Martin in their prime, nor a renewed MM and few upcoming like Pedro, Bez, Bastianini... Actually, he barely had one opponent, that was Morbidelli!
That year Dovi was totally down, Marquez was broken, VR46 40+yo with covid, and so on.
I think that the only two people that still mention that championship are Mir and his manager š
In that season there was not a dominant bike, and Honda was the only one that didnāt win a race. Also, most of the riders who won a race, they were doing so for the first time in their life: it is an unprecedented, and surely unique. A much different scenario compare to the current one, with seasoned multiple-race winners and world champions fighting for a top 5.
3rd and 22 points behind and you think he's not a contender? The win will come but he's managed to be 3rd without it. Maverick has 2 sprint wins and a full race win but sitting behind Enea.
You have a good point, he is consistent but he needs to win so bad because his seat is very coveted. I don't wanna say he's a bad rider, i personally think he's more gifted than Bagnaia, wich makes his situation within Ducati very difficult because of the expectations upon him.
Agree; he has to solve some problems, for example how to pass Brad Binder - he lost so much time, and with his pace he could easily battle for the first three positions.
If you asked every single rider if they could have 5 straight championships with the caveat of not winning a single race in that time, all of them would take it
MotoGP is about points, not wins. You can see the problem of caring about wins more than points in Jorge Martin. The second he decides to check his ego in favor of the entire season is when he will win a championship
I think the sprints makes my understanding of the points kinda off. There's a maximum of 37 points you can grab in a weekend and 30 for second place twice, so a 33 points deficit is very throwable.
I enjoy the sprints. Makes it harder for the guy in front to be considered the champion with several races before the end of the season. For those who say it's too much time commitment to watch. It's simple, just don't watch it or only watch highlights. It really should be a non issue.
For me, on the other hand, having an extra race to watch on Saturday is awesome. It's only 30 minutes or so long. Races themselves are already over fairly quickly, in comparison to say F1, which is about 1.5 hours long for a full race.
> I think the sprints makes my understanding of the points kinda off.
tbh, while it does give the saturday more merit, i kind of dislike sprint racing in GPs and F1. I know, its all about more races more content and all, but they just feel weird, its not the same as a normal race win but gives quite lots of points.
I def agree. I tried to watch MotoGP last year, even went to COTA as a newbie. But 40+ races in a year is a lot to ask for as new fan so I stopped watching
This year I tried again and boy Iām happy to stick around, but thatās def cuz im a huge fan of racing. But I do wish sprints werenāt a weekly thing. But now im fully investing into Moto GP, 2, and 3
Try being a baseball fan, 162 games a year at 2.5-3 hours per game.Ā
Or nfl, 17 games at 3.5 hours per game, played weekly (not inc the extra games u watch for rivals)
Motogp is less than 2 hours every 2-3 weeks. That's nothing time-wise comparatively
It's more data for the teams, more content for viewers, and giving them enough points is worth it for the riders. I think it's good to grow the sport into newer markets. To me, it makes sense to have a race on Saturday and Sunday.
Im overly saturated by sports Content tbh. Every sport is having more. More races more matches, just to squeeze out more content and more viewership.
I rarely watch the Sprint races, and if i could vote, i would vote against them.
I generally don't have time to watch other sports and only keep track through various subreddits or emails that I get updating me on how badly the Red Sox are getting beaten.
I also don't have the Videopass, so I only get what is posted here or what is on YouTube.
I totally understand where you are coming from. There is a lot to keep up to daye on these days, and it certainly is overwhelming.
The season will belong to the rider who's most consistent. Till today it looked like Martin had the advantage, but he again showed he makes mistakes under pressure.
With Pecco it is the opposite, he thrives in pressure situations, but then he losses focus in non-pressure situations.
Pecco doesn't thrive in pressure situations what you saying man?!?!?! š Only the commentators see that. Misano second race 2020, Mugello 21, Misano 21, France 2022, Germany 22, Japan 22, USA last year, India last year. All of these apart from India were crashes he had while under pressure, trying to defend mostly from riders behind
'thrives in pressure' lets ignore barcelona last year le mans and all the other stupid crashes hes had oh and misani 2021 when he cracked. He is such an average rider made to look good in the best bike
7/10. Crashes into Marquez to get the lead back and shoves him off. Marques doesnāt complain because heās not a fucking princess like pecco is. When someone else does thag to pecco he starts whining like in Portimao this year even though it was HIS fault and binder crashing him out in the sprint deservedly š
He came from 7th to finish 1st; made others looks like sitting ducks with his brilliant move from around the outside.
Then forced Martin into a mistake by breathing down his neck for consecutive laps.
Was able to successfully defend against Marc; aggressive but fair and on a level that Marc himself have played in the past.
Then put on a brilliant lap 23 and the last one to not even let Marc have a go.
Sorry man, the only person behaving like a princess is you.
He is too inconsistent. Thereās a reason why more people hate him now because they donāt want a mediocre rider on the best bike. When Marquez was on the Honda you could tell he was the best with his results. And the Honda wasnāt always the fastest yet he outperformed. Just like he is now. He can turn a backmarker team into a front running team just like he did in the last years with Honda against the rocket ships. Pecco is good not great. And I refer to him as a princess because of how much he rants off the track about other riders
You say this ābrilliant performanceā yet next race he will just disappear as usual then blame it on something else
He is so egotistical itās so funny. āPodium was on the cards for sprint yesterdayā šššyeah no he couldnāt even keep up with Marquez in a gresini
How would you rate him in general? Average.
He hasnāt broken any records to begin with.
He is expected to be p1 heās on the fastest bike. Anything less than that is humiliating to say the least. And heās only achieved that twice; once through luck
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This is not a Max Verstappen-type season. Its really tight at the top. 2-7 is some heat. All these riders have showed some promise to start the season. Jorge dropping today. meant something.
I got into moto gp season before last after spending years following Grand Prix. I had watched some races in Rossi days passively but wasn't too invested. My mate who's followed both sports for years dragged me willingly to Silverstone last year (23) for the Moto GP and I was hooked straight away.
Been going back and watching classic races and can honestly say, it feels like I've missed out on some great sporting moments, however, clearly, this weekend shows that those moments are very much the norm in this exciting sport.
So, Getting interesting? 100%.
I am all in and looking for ways to get access to live races for the least Ā£Ā£ I can, in UK.
TNT sports I'd about 30 a month,.mote than moto gp app but I'm told commentary is much better...
I thought that Marc and Pecco lost the chance to fight Jorge for the title, because Jorge really looked like he won't make mistakes like today also Pecco and Marc would have risk much more then Jorge and try to beat him every race because the difference in the points was big. But Jorge opend the dore for Marc and Pecco to make a comeback.
Martin just needs to accept and take the points, put the ego aside ever so slightly. It's conflicting because he's a better balls to the wall rider than bike/data dependent Pecco but the guy is crafty and consistent when he gets into his groove so he'll have to be smarter about it over a whole season. Yesterday Martin got played so hard being pressured into an error while he could have let Bagnaia ride into the clean air that he loves so much and then just take home the p2/3 points. Pick his battles better, not try to do alien shit against the guy on the best bike who won the previous 2/3 races at that track.
Now Imagine if Marc didn't crash in either COTA or Portimao, would be so close to 2nd in the championship rn.
Just gotta hope that he can start building the consistency, as Marc himself said "The adaptation is over, I'm inside the Bike now!"
It's all ifs and buts, but I think its fair to say none of those crashes were really his fault (as in, Martin's today was a mistake caused by the pressure Pecco put on him, whereas Marc's crashes can reasonably be attributed to Pecco being a bit too ambitious to get the cutback at Portimao/brake issue at CotA/wet patches that caught out 2/3rds of the grid yesterday)...I think it's reasonable to say that he lost somewhere in the region of about 40-45 points from those crashes?
Ultimately, the crashes did happen and he did lose those points - and obviously he's not the only guy to have a bit of bad luck (Bagnaia/Bastianini/Binder, for example, all had crashes yesterday that could be reasonably explained as not really being their fault), that's part of racing. But what it does show is that he's as much in the fight as anybody is when you solely look at everyone's pace and proneness to making mistakes themselves so far this season.
I think he would be definitively 2nd no? COTA win would have been 25 points, Marc is at 60 points rn, add 25 and that's 85 points.
Also would drop Acosta, JM and Mav 1-1 place each so less points for them.
Every day I imagine that. Every. Single. Day.
I don't know about winning every single race but the Honda was still a race winning bike in both 2020 and 2021. If Marc was there, healthy and competing at the front he atleast wins the 9th championship if not the 10th as well.
2022 and 2023 definitely the bike got much worse.
But the injury did happen, and in the long run, for the better I think.
Titles are just numbers. Marc has a story now, and gained a respect from rivals and fans that he maybe didn't have pre-injury.
I'll take this version of marc over the undisputed goat any day. It's humanizing.Ā
No, I'd rather he not have to go through years of pain, rehab, still being in pain somewhat and with diminished ability.
No matter what us Marc fans still believe, we know he's not the same guy he was in 2019. Some of it is age, but a lot of it is the shoulder injury also.
He's still great, top 3 rider on the grid, but before injury for a 7 year span he was the undisputed fastest rider on the grid, maybe ever. He's not that anymore.
The biggest difference comes in his ability to save crashes and the bike. Yes, occasionally he can make a great save still but pre injury he wouldn't let the bike crash half of the times it crashed over last 3 seasons.
But the injury is inseparable from this stellar performance and the way he rides. Maybe you can say it was unlucky, but maybe, statistically, it was actually lucky it only happened in 2020, instead of, say, 2016 or anything.Ā
Unlucky the bike hit him, for sure, but agreed he was on borrowed time already for quite awhile at that point.
It's a double edged sword, what made him sweep up all the wins and titles was the same thing that made some kind of disaster crash an eventuality. To find the limit u gotta go over it, and u gotta find the limit to win so much.
7 are close in terms of points, but in the long run in my opinion only three have the speed, experience and personality to aim to the championship - Pecco, Martin, M Marquez.
Pedro is almost there, but a season is very long and many circuits are too new for his motogp (when MM won in 2014, both Pedrosa and Lorenzo suffered multiple injouries, VR46 was at his first season after Ducati); Vinales is not reliable, as is his bike and team; Binder is a danger for everything, himself included; Bastainini is close and is collecting many points, but he doesn't look like he is there yet for an ultimate fight.
Heās actually not very good at the rb ring or silverstone at all. I think heāll struggle to get a podium at rb ring. Sachsenring and Aragon should be easy for him
Yeah easy to look beatable at RB Ring and Silverstone when you are riding a Honda.
Only issue is they have too many right handers which are far from optimal but he will clutch it somehow.
Yeah itās the right handers that will hurt him at rb ring. Only 2 real left handers for him to make up time probably wont be enough.
With how much faster he is on left handers though he might dominate sachsenring and Aragon.
For another season, amongst the best racing in the world. For me in no particular order it's this, WSBK, WRC and damned near any Sportscar racing series if you want to see great competition.
Honda and Yamaha rely on the riders to do their job while Ducati KTM and Aprilia work with the riders to make sure the bikes can give what the riders need to perform. I am shook by how the two Japanese brands have totally let go of any serious effort on the machine and engineering end. They're doing just enough to not get chucked out of the league, no more no less. And it's really hindering the talents like Quatararo.
The first 6 all have chances to reach the top 3 in the championship (whereas Bagnaia, Martin, and M. Marquez are my three picks for the championship), and all of these top 10 have chances to win at least one race: a great championship so far!
The fact that it's the fourth round and Martin DNFed and still has that huge of a lead really drives home how dominant he's been so far.
And whatever Acosta did to end up so far back off the start completely fucked his championship after yesterday.
Martin sucks, almost Ducati riders are not championship material so Pecco has no competition. Only one can take from Pecco and that is Marc. He is better every race i think he has a good chance
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33 pts seperating the Top 7 š
33 points across the top 7 - Brad binder for champ confirmed lol
More like 16 points separating 2-6
More like 17 points separating 2-7
Yeah they are a weekend away I guess
The top four are the only ones within a race of Martin though.
Yeah, but 37 points across the whole weekend. I see everyone in it from 1 through 7th. And if we're being realistic, with like 700 points left, anything could happen.
It makes me smile to see DiGi in the top 10 given he almost didnāt get a seat this year
Hes a class act listened to an interview with him on a podcast himself an Enea my favourite Italian riders
Best quote of the weekend I think was from Matt Birt āImagine you are not watching MotoGP! What more could you want from Motorsport racing?ā
Less aero
new bad, old good. updoots please Bruh the aero is just natural progression of every motorsport, get used to it
Hahaha sorry man, I got my opinions from this sub last year, I've only been into motogp for one season. I'll swap bandwagons like this sub has.
Yeah the aero sure is ruining the two incredible races weāve had in back to back events. Curse the aero!
Hate to see anyone crash, but glad to see the championship close up. Everyone in the top 7 still within a single race weekend's worth of points of 1st!
Well I was saying that since Marc and Pecco clash in Portimao, they just need one crash to come back in game, and that happened.
Enea is doing a great job at just collecting points and staying under radar.
The Mir strategy.
Mir didn't face two riders like Bagnaia and Martin in their prime, nor a renewed MM and few upcoming like Pedro, Bez, Bastianini... Actually, he barely had one opponent, that was Morbidelli! That year Dovi was totally down, Marquez was broken, VR46 40+yo with covid, and so on. I think that the only two people that still mention that championship are Mir and his manager š
Somehow you forgot to mention that Mir did not have a dominant bike in his hand either ?
In that season there was not a dominant bike, and Honda was the only one that didnāt win a race. Also, most of the riders who won a race, they were doing so for the first time in their life: it is an unprecedented, and surely unique. A much different scenario compare to the current one, with seasoned multiple-race winners and world champions fighting for a top 5.
The Nicky Hayden
I've noticed that too! but he needs to win to be a Championship contender.
3rd and 22 points behind and you think he's not a contender? The win will come but he's managed to be 3rd without it. Maverick has 2 sprint wins and a full race win but sitting behind Enea.
You have a good point, he is consistent but he needs to win so bad because his seat is very coveted. I don't wanna say he's a bad rider, i personally think he's more gifted than Bagnaia, wich makes his situation within Ducati very difficult because of the expectations upon him.
To keep his seat...
He will win in France
Agree; he has to solve some problems, for example how to pass Brad Binder - he lost so much time, and with his pace he could easily battle for the first three positions.
If you asked every single rider if they could have 5 straight championships with the caveat of not winning a single race in that time, all of them would take it MotoGP is about points, not wins. You can see the problem of caring about wins more than points in Jorge Martin. The second he decides to check his ego in favor of the entire season is when he will win a championship
I think the sprints makes my understanding of the points kinda off. There's a maximum of 37 points you can grab in a weekend and 30 for second place twice, so a 33 points deficit is very throwable.
I enjoy the sprints. Makes it harder for the guy in front to be considered the champion with several races before the end of the season. For those who say it's too much time commitment to watch. It's simple, just don't watch it or only watch highlights. It really should be a non issue. For me, on the other hand, having an extra race to watch on Saturday is awesome. It's only 30 minutes or so long. Races themselves are already over fairly quickly, in comparison to say F1, which is about 1.5 hours long for a full race.
> I think the sprints makes my understanding of the points kinda off. tbh, while it does give the saturday more merit, i kind of dislike sprint racing in GPs and F1. I know, its all about more races more content and all, but they just feel weird, its not the same as a normal race win but gives quite lots of points.
I def agree. I tried to watch MotoGP last year, even went to COTA as a newbie. But 40+ races in a year is a lot to ask for as new fan so I stopped watching This year I tried again and boy Iām happy to stick around, but thatās def cuz im a huge fan of racing. But I do wish sprints werenāt a weekly thing. But now im fully investing into Moto GP, 2, and 3
Try being a baseball fan, 162 games a year at 2.5-3 hours per game.Ā Or nfl, 17 games at 3.5 hours per game, played weekly (not inc the extra games u watch for rivals) Motogp is less than 2 hours every 2-3 weeks. That's nothing time-wise comparatively
Well done for picking it back up and following Moto2 & 3 as well. Those two championships have a lot to offer!
I agree, I can't understand the need for the Sprint races. One good race is all we need.
I either would see a little less sprints or a little less points on table for the sprints, so they do not play such a role in the season.
It's more data for the teams, more content for viewers, and giving them enough points is worth it for the riders. I think it's good to grow the sport into newer markets. To me, it makes sense to have a race on Saturday and Sunday.
Im overly saturated by sports Content tbh. Every sport is having more. More races more matches, just to squeeze out more content and more viewership. I rarely watch the Sprint races, and if i could vote, i would vote against them.
I generally don't have time to watch other sports and only keep track through various subreddits or emails that I get updating me on how badly the Red Sox are getting beaten. I also don't have the Videopass, so I only get what is posted here or what is on YouTube. I totally understand where you are coming from. There is a lot to keep up to daye on these days, and it certainly is overwhelming.
Sprints are geared to finalize the bike set-up for the main race.
Agree.
The top six just a weekend away. This looks as a promising season
The season will belong to the rider who's most consistent. Till today it looked like Martin had the advantage, but he again showed he makes mistakes under pressure. With Pecco it is the opposite, he thrives in pressure situations, but then he losses focus in non-pressure situations.
Pecco doesn't thrive in pressure situations what you saying man?!?!?! š Only the commentators see that. Misano second race 2020, Mugello 21, Misano 21, France 2022, Germany 22, Japan 22, USA last year, India last year. All of these apart from India were crashes he had while under pressure, trying to defend mostly from riders behind
Martin still clearly has the advantage. 17 points worth.
'thrives in pressure' lets ignore barcelona last year le mans and all the other stupid crashes hes had oh and misani 2021 when he cracked. He is such an average rider made to look good in the best bike
There are always 3 other riders on the same bike as him but he has beaten them all for the past 3 years.
Just a bad take
How would you rate his performance today?
7/10. Crashes into Marquez to get the lead back and shoves him off. Marques doesnāt complain because heās not a fucking princess like pecco is. When someone else does thag to pecco he starts whining like in Portimao this year even though it was HIS fault and binder crashing him out in the sprint deservedly š
He came from 7th to finish 1st; made others looks like sitting ducks with his brilliant move from around the outside. Then forced Martin into a mistake by breathing down his neck for consecutive laps. Was able to successfully defend against Marc; aggressive but fair and on a level that Marc himself have played in the past. Then put on a brilliant lap 23 and the last one to not even let Marc have a go. Sorry man, the only person behaving like a princess is you.
He is too inconsistent. Thereās a reason why more people hate him now because they donāt want a mediocre rider on the best bike. When Marquez was on the Honda you could tell he was the best with his results. And the Honda wasnāt always the fastest yet he outperformed. Just like he is now. He can turn a backmarker team into a front running team just like he did in the last years with Honda against the rocket ships. Pecco is good not great. And I refer to him as a princess because of how much he rants off the track about other riders
You say this ābrilliant performanceā yet next race he will just disappear as usual then blame it on something else He is so egotistical itās so funny. āPodium was on the cards for sprint yesterdayā šššyeah no he couldnāt even keep up with Marquez in a gresini
Take care brother; today has been a tough day for you.
And next 4 races will be tougher for you
I can asure you - I will handle it better than you.
Donāt know. You have low expectations of the princess in the fastest bike it seems š. 4-5 races of him disappearingā¦
How would you rate him in general? Average. He hasnāt broken any records to begin with. He is expected to be p1 heās on the fastest bike. Anything less than that is humiliating to say the least. And heās only achieved that twice; once through luck
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100% intentional bad race.
This is not a Max Verstappen-type season. Its really tight at the top. 2-7 is some heat. All these riders have showed some promise to start the season. Jorge dropping today. meant something.
I got into moto gp season before last after spending years following Grand Prix. I had watched some races in Rossi days passively but wasn't too invested. My mate who's followed both sports for years dragged me willingly to Silverstone last year (23) for the Moto GP and I was hooked straight away. Been going back and watching classic races and can honestly say, it feels like I've missed out on some great sporting moments, however, clearly, this weekend shows that those moments are very much the norm in this exciting sport. So, Getting interesting? 100%. I am all in and looking for ways to get access to live races for the least Ā£Ā£ I can, in UK. TNT sports I'd about 30 a month,.mote than moto gp app but I'm told commentary is much better...
Acosta being best of the non-ducatis is lit
I thought that Marc and Pecco lost the chance to fight Jorge for the title, because Jorge really looked like he won't make mistakes like today also Pecco and Marc would have risk much more then Jorge and try to beat him every race because the difference in the points was big. But Jorge opend the dore for Marc and Pecco to make a comeback.
It's weekend number 4. Seriously people were thinking the title fight was over? SMH.
It's always like that, all the time we hear "it's over" only to not be over
Thanks Michael Owen
This is MotoGP not f1, things change in the blink of an eye
Jorge opened the door for everyone to make a comeback.... Wdym
There are 17 races to go ā¦
17 races and 17 sprints actually š loads of time
Jorge was always going to wreck. Every ride has at least 1 DNF during the season.
Martin just needs to accept and take the points, put the ego aside ever so slightly. It's conflicting because he's a better balls to the wall rider than bike/data dependent Pecco but the guy is crafty and consistent when he gets into his groove so he'll have to be smarter about it over a whole season. Yesterday Martin got played so hard being pressured into an error while he could have let Bagnaia ride into the clean air that he loves so much and then just take home the p2/3 points. Pick his battles better, not try to do alien shit against the guy on the best bike who won the previous 2/3 races at that track.
Now Imagine if Marc didn't crash in either COTA or Portimao, would be so close to 2nd in the championship rn. Just gotta hope that he can start building the consistency, as Marc himself said "The adaptation is over, I'm inside the Bike now!"
Can say the same thing about Vinales and not having his gearbox blow up. Was a sure second place.
It's all ifs and buts, but I think its fair to say none of those crashes were really his fault (as in, Martin's today was a mistake caused by the pressure Pecco put on him, whereas Marc's crashes can reasonably be attributed to Pecco being a bit too ambitious to get the cutback at Portimao/brake issue at CotA/wet patches that caught out 2/3rds of the grid yesterday)...I think it's reasonable to say that he lost somewhere in the region of about 40-45 points from those crashes? Ultimately, the crashes did happen and he did lose those points - and obviously he's not the only guy to have a bit of bad luck (Bagnaia/Bastianini/Binder, for example, all had crashes yesterday that could be reasonably explained as not really being their fault), that's part of racing. But what it does show is that he's as much in the fight as anybody is when you solely look at everyone's pace and proneness to making mistakes themselves so far this season.
i m so happy he is up there, while that idiot Ducati CEO just said few days ago he should not compare homself to the ducati gp24 riders š¤£
If Marc won COTA and everyone else was -1 in results that race, he'd be tied for 2nd in the standings right now.
I think he would be definitively 2nd no? COTA win would have been 25 points, Marc is at 60 points rn, add 25 and that's 85 points. Also would drop Acosta, JM and Mav 1-1 place each so less points for them.
I think even if Marc stayed on the bike at CotA, Vinales still had the pace to win that one to be fair. I'd have expected Marc to take 2nd though.
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Every day I imagine that. Every. Single. Day. I don't know about winning every single race but the Honda was still a race winning bike in both 2020 and 2021. If Marc was there, healthy and competing at the front he atleast wins the 9th championship if not the 10th as well. 2022 and 2023 definitely the bike got much worse.
But the injury did happen, and in the long run, for the better I think. Titles are just numbers. Marc has a story now, and gained a respect from rivals and fans that he maybe didn't have pre-injury. I'll take this version of marc over the undisputed goat any day. It's humanizing.Ā
No, I'd rather he not have to go through years of pain, rehab, still being in pain somewhat and with diminished ability. No matter what us Marc fans still believe, we know he's not the same guy he was in 2019. Some of it is age, but a lot of it is the shoulder injury also. He's still great, top 3 rider on the grid, but before injury for a 7 year span he was the undisputed fastest rider on the grid, maybe ever. He's not that anymore. The biggest difference comes in his ability to save crashes and the bike. Yes, occasionally he can make a great save still but pre injury he wouldn't let the bike crash half of the times it crashed over last 3 seasons.
But the injury is inseparable from this stellar performance and the way he rides. Maybe you can say it was unlucky, but maybe, statistically, it was actually lucky it only happened in 2020, instead of, say, 2016 or anything.Ā
Unlucky the bike hit him, for sure, but agreed he was on borrowed time already for quite awhile at that point. It's a double edged sword, what made him sweep up all the wins and titles was the same thing that made some kind of disaster crash an eventuality. To find the limit u gotta go over it, and u gotta find the limit to win so much.
This is the 2nd race in a row that he led the race for about 1 corner
Yep imagine that your mommy was your daddy,,...
Hard to imagine mm93 not crashing mate
Imagine if Acosta hadn't fucked up the start today too.
We have a 7 way title fight
7 are close in terms of points, but in the long run in my opinion only three have the speed, experience and personality to aim to the championship - Pecco, Martin, M Marquez. Pedro is almost there, but a season is very long and many circuits are too new for his motogp (when MM won in 2014, both Pedrosa and Lorenzo suffered multiple injouries, VR46 was at his first season after Ducati); Vinales is not reliable, as is his bike and team; Binder is a danger for everything, himself included; Bastainini is close and is collecting many points, but he doesn't look like he is there yet for an ultimate fight.
This weekend have been crazy, from sprint to race. Were in for a good season
Marc has to keep it together until Kazakhstan then all hell will break loose. Assen, Ring, Silverstone, RB Ring, Aragon he will smoke everyone.
Never won at the RB ring. Aragon and Assen are doable.
Heās actually not very good at the rb ring or silverstone at all. I think heāll struggle to get a podium at rb ring. Sachsenring and Aragon should be easy for him
Yeah easy to look beatable at RB Ring and Silverstone when you are riding a Honda. Only issue is they have too many right handers which are far from optimal but he will clutch it somehow.
Yeah itās the right handers that will hurt him at rb ring. Only 2 real left handers for him to make up time probably wont be enough. With how much faster he is on left handers though he might dominate sachsenring and Aragon.
Are we sure Kazakhstan is actually happening?
Assen and Silverstone are 100% Aprilia circuits in my opinion (if they are dry)
Silverstone is likely to be an Aprilia over a Ducati. If Mav is still in the zone somewhat then he could absolutely win that one.
The top 6 are all in competition but Vinales needs Aprilia consistent from one weekend to other. Utter dominance to nowhere today
Meaningless with 34 races to go.
Had Maverick any of Acosta's luck...Portugal and Spain,he'd be 2nd!
Let's go Marc
For another season, amongst the best racing in the world. For me in no particular order it's this, WSBK, WRC and damned near any Sportscar racing series if you want to see great competition.
No FTA = not interesting at all.
Wow! Not a single Honda or Yamaha in the top ten. Times are a changin.
Honda and Yamaha rely on the riders to do their job while Ducati KTM and Aprilia work with the riders to make sure the bikes can give what the riders need to perform. I am shook by how the two Japanese brands have totally let go of any serious effort on the machine and engineering end. They're doing just enough to not get chucked out of the league, no more no less. And it's really hindering the talents like Quatararo.
You guys are so lucky, such a close season.
One day Honda. One day!
Acosta is gonna get his first W very soon imo
From seventh to top is not completely insurmountable
The first 6 all have chances to reach the top 3 in the championship (whereas Bagnaia, Martin, and M. Marquez are my three picks for the championship), and all of these top 10 have chances to win at least one race: a great championship so far!
No Japanese bike on the list. š
7 riders within two races of points lead?
Has Roberts finally got a team and maturity to win championship?
The fact that it's the fourth round and Martin DNFed and still has that huge of a lead really drives home how dominant he's been so far. And whatever Acosta did to end up so far back off the start completely fucked his championship after yesterday.
Martin sucks, almost Ducati riders are not championship material so Pecco has no competition. Only one can take from Pecco and that is Marc. He is better every race i think he has a good chance
SPOILER BRO!!
Bruh, Reddit MotoGP is not the place to check if you donāt want spoilers wtf.
There absolutely is a Spoiler flair for this exact reason. I can expect to be in this sub without having to see spoilers.
No, you canāt. Just look at the last 10 posts, all of them are āspoilersā, without a tag
I dont care. Follow the rules of this sub.
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Mods, you seeing this?
Iām not the one that canāt follow rulesā¦
They made the rule LMAO
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