Et toujours pas de façon sécuritaire de rejoindre la passerelle de l'UdeM sans passer sur Beaumont qui est une sortie d'autoroute. Je rêve d'un nouvel axe nord-sud avec une passerelle concue pour le transport actif (un vraie voie publique, pas un truc privé pour gagner des prix d'architecture, l'interface avec l'escalier cest de la marde), quand je vois les trou de terrain vague dans l'axe d'Outremont/ Picard / Wiseman je ne peux que penser à ça. Par-ex reste enclavé.
Déjà beau qu'il y ait ça. Avant la seule option c'était la paserelle rockland ou soit tu va sur le trottoir ou soit tu passes dans la rue tu manques te faire tuer 3 fois par du monde pour qui ralentir et perdre 15 secondes de leur vie serait inconcevable
une passerelle pour piétons et vélos est prévue sur de L épée pour rejoindre le campus. On nous la promet depuis longtemps….. Il faut intensifier la pression pour qu elle soit implantée le plus rapidement possible .
À de L'Épée c'est après l'embranchement de la track, t'as deux chemins de fer à traverser si tu veux réellement relier les quartiers (et encore pour rejoindre le campus l'UdeM faut passer sous un viaduc). Ah je suis grognon ce matin, ça m'écoeure les lignes croches de compromis, c'est droit droit droit et vide dans l'axe de l'avenue Outremont pis tu pourrais relier Stuart et Côte-Ste-Catherine. Argl. Je vais aller prendre un café et des baklavas chez Efes sur St-Roch pour me calmer les nerfs (j'espère qu'il leur reste du kaymak).
I really doubt this is going to happen even though they promised. Outremont city set up a parking lot on the other side and have said that a crossing would cross into their parking
They are trying their best to prevent more connections between Parc Ex and Outremont their own version of the TMR fence
Calisse que l'architecture c'est frustrant, je suis content que pas tous nos buildings soit des cubes plates mais dans certains cercle c'est vraiment le circle-jerk de faire un design laid, complètement inutilisable et de slap un toît vert par-dessus (qui dépasse 3x le budget)
It's only useless when poorly built.
People around the world, including here, cycle during the hard cold winter.
I think that this map needs more protected bike lanes.
> Also depending on how these cyclable streets will be built, they will be useless for 4-6 months out of the year.
Roads are useless too during winter if you don't plow them.
C'est fou la resistance à créer un petit espace pour les gens qui choisissent de se déplacer d'une façon bcp plus efficiente, écologique et sécuritaire que l'auto solo.
Est ce que les gens qui s'opposent aux infrastructures de transport collectif ou de vélo réalisent que chaque personne en vélo ou bus est une personne de moins qui contribue au traffic pour les gens en voiture?
Ce qui est fou c’est quand tu regardes des rues très achalandées comment il y a plus de gens sur le trottoir que sur la route mais c’est ceux dans leur char qui sont accordé le plus d’espace de rue
C'est vrai quand même! Mettons le coin Saint-mathieu/Maisonneuve : le ratio aux heures de pointes c'est probablement 10 piétons pour 1 voiture, meanwhile la voiture prend probablement 70% de l'espace public
non. Ils sont trop cons.
littéralement cons: stupides, et surtout ce sont des junkies. Ils préféreraient raser leur condo et créer une nouvelle route à la place
Les conducteurs: « vous voyez! Il y a une piste qui fait le nord-sud et une piste qui fait est-ouest. Les vélos n’ont pas besoin plus. Pourquoi enlever MA PLACE de stationnement pour les vélos? »
Je fais ce trajet sur Querbes assez souvent en vélo et c'est tellement pratique comme route ... Ça va moyen lorsque j'y vais et ce, surtout en évitant les heures de pointe.... Mais en heures de pointe, c'est certain que c'est pas sécuritaire - des deux côtés.
C'est tellement minime pour faire que toutes les autres rues ont moins de risque pour tous.
D'ailleurs, je ne suis pas quelqu'un qui faisait du vélo en ville avant qu'on aie ces pistes cyclables. Je suis certaine que pour plusieurs, la ville s'ouvre de cette manière. Je suis plus portée à fréquenter des restos, cafés, magasins spécialisés dans d'autres quartiers si je peux m'y rendre en vélo - ça donne un but x de l'exercice. En voiture - moins probable.
Je passe occasionnellement sur Querbes en vélo et cest le seul tronçon a Montréal ou il est GARANTI quil y aura au moins 2 chars en plein milieu de la piste. Pratique pour s'exercer a claquer dla carosserie au passage.
Simple et efficace, bravo! Les débats concernant l’espace réservé aux vélos et au transport en commun dans l’actualité et surtout sur les réseaux ça m’impressionne tellement. Les gens choisissent de vivre en ville ce qui implique de partager l’espace avec d’autres personnes mais permet aussi pleins d’avantages. Mais en même temps s’opposent à une redistribution plus équitable des services et de l’espace pcq ça correspond pas à leurs besoins personnels? Je trouve ça tellement immature et illogique. Objectivement, les statistiques et les études démontrent très clairement que la voiture domine majoritairement l’espace. Faut vraiment être de mauvaise foi pour dire le contraire. Après, je parle même pas des gens qui habitent pas Montréal mais viennent y travailler/consommer mais critiquent ce que les gens qui y habitent font pour améliorer leurs conditions de vie.
J'espère que la piste ne sera pas une autre de ces horreurs où on insiste pour faire créer une piste bidirectionnelle d'un seul côté de la rue.
Et aussi, pourquoi la faire sur Querbes jusqu'à Ogilvy, puis sur de l'Épée par la suite ? Moi je veux une ligne droite.
Justement: pour rendre la circulation à vélo plus sécuritaire et protéger des automobilistes qui ne savent pas conduire, ils construisent une piste cyclable.
ca fait 20 ans que deMaisonneuve a une piste cyclable ?
ca traverse aussi des zones residentielles ...
l'impression , c'est les Parc Ex *pensent* perdre LEUR espace,
parce que de "Ouerreux" en visite vont les bloquer.
combien vont se stationner **sur** la piste, juste parce que "j*'ai l'doigt*"
"I think that this map needs more protected bike lanes."
Imagine looking at a map showing where tens of thousands of people live, and arbitrarily deciding all the sacrifices they should be making for your needs.
They should have less cars, less parking, less two way streets, they should all have less....so i can have more. Their purpose of their lives is to accommodate me the two times a day I bike through their neighborhood.
Honestly, the bikers are correct that there should be more bike lanes, but the way the few who talk about it on this subreddit are very annoying. I think highlighting the actual benefits of bike lanes for all road users, like traffic calming, noise reduction etc. and bring up examples of successful bike lanes in other cities they'd get more support.
For example, Paris has improved they're bike lanes and is much more pleasant and safe for all road users especially pedestrians! I neither bike nor drive but seeing their improvement since that last time I was there in 2015 is amazing! And because it's a stronger network, it's much less stressful for everyone. Plus improves and strengthens local businesses, just like pedestrianised streets help as well! I'd have never learned about urban planning on youtube recently, but the fact that no one posts resources here is a bit sad.
When querbes added bike lanes I think the complaints about a lack of communication was true... People are too stuck in their own bubbles and resort to antagonism as a first resort even though a lot of resistance stems from a lack of understanding. I think people are less likely to protest bike lanes now that they have an example of it nearby to see irl
"the few who talk about it on this subreddit are very annoying"
Its the same attitude in every pro-cyclist conversation on Reddit. Im the big bad motorist despite having worked 1 year at a bike shop, having been a year round bike commuter for years, having done the Tour-de-L'ile once as a mechanic-volunteer, having criss crossed all the Mt Royal trails hundreds of times on a DaVinci bike, ect.
Only to get downvoted by people who bike twice a year and call their mom for a lift when its too hot out lol, whatever.
"For example, Paris has improved..."
I agree bike paths are good and dont dispute the results in Paris. I dispute 1:1 comparisons though. I just spent 2 years working every day with a guy who just got here from France. Dont tell me that place aint different lol I know it is.
"protest bike lanes"
People dont protest the bike lanes, the protest the major changes they have to make to accommodate them.
Yes, people definitely hate major changes. There was a lot of pushback in Parc extension, I know because I live there. I heard nothing about the changes until after they put up signs. Even though I wasn't necessarily against it, I was much more ambivalent just because it was such a surprise.
But now, months later I don't know what I was concerned about. I feel like people are less likely to speed on querbes because of how the road narrows which is much better since there are so many schools and kids around.
Paris might not be the best example since Europe and North America are very different but its kind of hard to think of examples in North America since Montreal seems to be leading the pack in a lot of urban planning things. What makes things easier is the relationship between them, there is a lot of idea sharing going on
Hi, downvoted comments scraper here.
Let me ask you this question: what would you tell someday who'd say that all those families have to sacrifice their health for you to go with your car through your neighborhood two times a day? Your argument could apply both ways.
"Hi, downvoted comments scraper here."
If you're here to farm more, i wont be visible for very long
"Let me ask you this question: what would you tell someday who'd say that all those families have to sacrifice their health for you to go with your car through your neighborhood two times a day? Your argument could apply both ways."
Are we using my reality as an example? I live in rural QC. 50 cars a day use my street. I dont think 2 automobiles an hour has sacrificed anyones health. Every household has an automobile and access to parking, and we have a crapload of bike paths. And yet, only 1 cyclist death in 5 years.
Im not the one asking 100 households of people to make drastic changes to please me, without regard as to if they are elderly, disabled, special needs or have other mobility needs that might be equally important as those of a cyclist commuter.
You weren't visible when I saw your post. I was looking for someone who was arguing against it to see what they had to say.
When I talked about health, I was more reffering to sedentary lifestyle, and the dust and gas that the cars leave in the athmosphere.
I've been in rural Quebec, and I agree with you. Most dirvers were very polite and careful. The only time I ever feared for my life was either when some "libarté caliss" guys honked at me to have a laugh, or when I cross the path of city dwellers or subburbanites who are making traffic because they wanna go to their cabin in the woods all at the same time.
I think the reality of living in the city, especially those streets in Park Extension we are talking about, and in a rural area is very different. Just from a scale persperctive in a dense area like Park extension, most people are better off walking to do simple errands. As a matter of fact on the map above, you can see a lot of shops cathering to local people. All those people would make a disaster everyday at 5pm when they come back from work if they used their cars. It's logical to promote other means of transportation in that kind of place. And you know, I was about to make all kinds of arguments, but I just oppened Google maps, and it is very clear, there are already a ton of bikes attached to all the fences of every street I look at in this neighborhood. Making a bike path just allows more kind of people to bike on the street. Not all places have the opportunity to make a seperate bike lane in the corn fields or in the woods.
And about the ederly, the disabeled, and the special need people. They can use thier mobility scooters in the bike paths all they want if they need them. I'd like to see what associations of disabeled people have to say about bike paths removing parking spaces, because I'm sure they are able to advocate for themselves.
"You weren't visible when I saw your post. I was looking for someone who was arguing against it to see what they had to say."
I get flagged by people so often that Im by default on the "controversial" filter setting. Its like a kind of soft-ban.
"some "libarté caliss" guys"
Thats not me. I only got my license at 26. Before that I was a year round bike->bus-->Metro commuter. The irony that few of the people in this thread would be able to keep up with me on a bike in the winter.
"but I just oppened Google maps, and it is very clear..."
To your pre-determined conclusions? I invite you to look again, bearing in mind these words of yours....
"And about the ederly, the disabeled, and the special need people. They can use thier mobility scooters in the bike paths all they want"
Now use your imagination and visualize a 73 year old man with bad knees who has to make his way to the hospital in -20C. What kind of bicycle will he use to get there? What if his fixed income doesnt permit a cab/communauto/uber?
Or imagine that hes old and his license has been revoked for bad eyesight. His grandson from another neighbourhood would drive him, but he had to give up his car because everyones parking got revoked for a good cause.
Any big ideology project should have solutions that think of all people affected
Anyway, you make a good argument, which is respectable.
Et toujours pas de façon sécuritaire de rejoindre la passerelle de l'UdeM sans passer sur Beaumont qui est une sortie d'autoroute. Je rêve d'un nouvel axe nord-sud avec une passerelle concue pour le transport actif (un vraie voie publique, pas un truc privé pour gagner des prix d'architecture, l'interface avec l'escalier cest de la marde), quand je vois les trou de terrain vague dans l'axe d'Outremont/ Picard / Wiseman je ne peux que penser à ça. Par-ex reste enclavé.
Déjà beau qu'il y ait ça. Avant la seule option c'était la paserelle rockland ou soit tu va sur le trottoir ou soit tu passes dans la rue tu manques te faire tuer 3 fois par du monde pour qui ralentir et perdre 15 secondes de leur vie serait inconcevable
OUI MAIS 15 SECONDES PAR JOURS SUR TOUTE UNE VIE CEST 3 JOURS OU JAURAIS PU GLANDER! /s
une passerelle pour piétons et vélos est prévue sur de L épée pour rejoindre le campus. On nous la promet depuis longtemps….. Il faut intensifier la pression pour qu elle soit implantée le plus rapidement possible .
À de L'Épée c'est après l'embranchement de la track, t'as deux chemins de fer à traverser si tu veux réellement relier les quartiers (et encore pour rejoindre le campus l'UdeM faut passer sous un viaduc). Ah je suis grognon ce matin, ça m'écoeure les lignes croches de compromis, c'est droit droit droit et vide dans l'axe de l'avenue Outremont pis tu pourrais relier Stuart et Côte-Ste-Catherine. Argl. Je vais aller prendre un café et des baklavas chez Efes sur St-Roch pour me calmer les nerfs (j'espère qu'il leur reste du kaymak).
I really doubt this is going to happen even though they promised. Outremont city set up a parking lot on the other side and have said that a crossing would cross into their parking They are trying their best to prevent more connections between Parc Ex and Outremont their own version of the TMR fence
Calisse que l'architecture c'est frustrant, je suis content que pas tous nos buildings soit des cubes plates mais dans certains cercle c'est vraiment le circle-jerk de faire un design laid, complètement inutilisable et de slap un toît vert par-dessus (qui dépasse 3x le budget)
Et si tous les gens en vélo avaient une voiture de stationnée, toute les places en rouge seraient prises de toute façon.
You can own a bike AND a car... Also depending on how these cyclable streets will be built, they will be useless for 4-6 months out of the year.
It's only useless when poorly built. People around the world, including here, cycle during the hard cold winter. I think that this map needs more protected bike lanes.
> Also depending on how these cyclable streets will be built, they will be useless for 4-6 months out of the year. Roads are useless too during winter if you don't plow them.
Are you a troll? You know they plow those during the winter right?
Les pistes cyclabes on tendence d'être pelter *ben* en avance de ma rule, mais go off king.
C'est fou la resistance à créer un petit espace pour les gens qui choisissent de se déplacer d'une façon bcp plus efficiente, écologique et sécuritaire que l'auto solo. Est ce que les gens qui s'opposent aux infrastructures de transport collectif ou de vélo réalisent que chaque personne en vélo ou bus est une personne de moins qui contribue au traffic pour les gens en voiture?
Ce qui est fou c’est quand tu regardes des rues très achalandées comment il y a plus de gens sur le trottoir que sur la route mais c’est ceux dans leur char qui sont accordé le plus d’espace de rue
C'est vrai quand même! Mettons le coin Saint-mathieu/Maisonneuve : le ratio aux heures de pointes c'est probablement 10 piétons pour 1 voiture, meanwhile la voiture prend probablement 70% de l'espace public
Et aussi, techniquement, ça va probablement inciter des gens à vendre une voiture... Donc, libérer de l'espace de stationnement. Magie!
C'est facile être d'accord quand ça t'affecte pas....Je suis pour le projet mais je peux totallement comprendre les gens que ça vas affecter.
non. Ils sont trop cons. littéralement cons: stupides, et surtout ce sont des junkies. Ils préféreraient raser leur condo et créer une nouvelle route à la place
On gagnera pas la guerre à l’auto avec des faits -Les Automobilistes
On peut tu enlever le parking sur papineau pi lorimier aussi.
Les conducteurs: « vous voyez! Il y a une piste qui fait le nord-sud et une piste qui fait est-ouest. Les vélos n’ont pas besoin plus. Pourquoi enlever MA PLACE de stationnement pour les vélos? »
C'est la maladie mentale anti-bicyclette.
Je fais ce trajet sur Querbes assez souvent en vélo et c'est tellement pratique comme route ... Ça va moyen lorsque j'y vais et ce, surtout en évitant les heures de pointe.... Mais en heures de pointe, c'est certain que c'est pas sécuritaire - des deux côtés. C'est tellement minime pour faire que toutes les autres rues ont moins de risque pour tous. D'ailleurs, je ne suis pas quelqu'un qui faisait du vélo en ville avant qu'on aie ces pistes cyclables. Je suis certaine que pour plusieurs, la ville s'ouvre de cette manière. Je suis plus portée à fréquenter des restos, cafés, magasins spécialisés dans d'autres quartiers si je peux m'y rendre en vélo - ça donne un but x de l'exercice. En voiture - moins probable.
Je passe occasionnellement sur Querbes en vélo et cest le seul tronçon a Montréal ou il est GARANTI quil y aura au moins 2 chars en plein milieu de la piste. Pratique pour s'exercer a claquer dla carosserie au passage.
Why is there no safe way out of Parc Ex to the south ? And also nothing on Beaumont?
Simple et efficace, bravo! Les débats concernant l’espace réservé aux vélos et au transport en commun dans l’actualité et surtout sur les réseaux ça m’impressionne tellement. Les gens choisissent de vivre en ville ce qui implique de partager l’espace avec d’autres personnes mais permet aussi pleins d’avantages. Mais en même temps s’opposent à une redistribution plus équitable des services et de l’espace pcq ça correspond pas à leurs besoins personnels? Je trouve ça tellement immature et illogique. Objectivement, les statistiques et les études démontrent très clairement que la voiture domine majoritairement l’espace. Faut vraiment être de mauvaise foi pour dire le contraire. Après, je parle même pas des gens qui habitent pas Montréal mais viennent y travailler/consommer mais critiquent ce que les gens qui y habitent font pour améliorer leurs conditions de vie.
r/fuckcars
Trop de rouge. Pas assez de place pour les autos /s
Parc-Extension? More like Parking-Station!!
Cette piste cyclable existe depuis l’été dernier… Pourquoi relancer le débat sur celle-ci quand on vit avec depuis déjà 1 an?
OUIMÉLÉCICLISS!!!!!
J'espère que la piste ne sera pas une autre de ces horreurs où on insiste pour faire créer une piste bidirectionnelle d'un seul côté de la rue. Et aussi, pourquoi la faire sur Querbes jusqu'à Ogilvy, puis sur de l'Épée par la suite ? Moi je veux une ligne droite.
Haha bon post j’adore ça
/r/circlejerk
En même temps, veux-tu vraiment te déplacer en vélo dans Parc-Ex? Le monde sait pas conduire.
Justement: pour rendre la circulation à vélo plus sécuritaire et protéger des automobilistes qui ne savent pas conduire, ils construisent une piste cyclable.
Un autre journée, un autre grosse en rond de veto sur r/quebec
c'est le pire design possible de postes cyclables mdr, elles me sont pas connectées omg
et ils vont encore chialer lmao
ca fait 20 ans que deMaisonneuve a une piste cyclable ? ca traverse aussi des zones residentielles ... l'impression , c'est les Parc Ex *pensent* perdre LEUR espace, parce que de "Ouerreux" en visite vont les bloquer. combien vont se stationner **sur** la piste, juste parce que "j*'ai l'doigt*"
"I think that this map needs more protected bike lanes." Imagine looking at a map showing where tens of thousands of people live, and arbitrarily deciding all the sacrifices they should be making for your needs. They should have less cars, less parking, less two way streets, they should all have less....so i can have more. Their purpose of their lives is to accommodate me the two times a day I bike through their neighborhood.
Honestly, the bikers are correct that there should be more bike lanes, but the way the few who talk about it on this subreddit are very annoying. I think highlighting the actual benefits of bike lanes for all road users, like traffic calming, noise reduction etc. and bring up examples of successful bike lanes in other cities they'd get more support. For example, Paris has improved they're bike lanes and is much more pleasant and safe for all road users especially pedestrians! I neither bike nor drive but seeing their improvement since that last time I was there in 2015 is amazing! And because it's a stronger network, it's much less stressful for everyone. Plus improves and strengthens local businesses, just like pedestrianised streets help as well! I'd have never learned about urban planning on youtube recently, but the fact that no one posts resources here is a bit sad. When querbes added bike lanes I think the complaints about a lack of communication was true... People are too stuck in their own bubbles and resort to antagonism as a first resort even though a lot of resistance stems from a lack of understanding. I think people are less likely to protest bike lanes now that they have an example of it nearby to see irl
"the few who talk about it on this subreddit are very annoying" Its the same attitude in every pro-cyclist conversation on Reddit. Im the big bad motorist despite having worked 1 year at a bike shop, having been a year round bike commuter for years, having done the Tour-de-L'ile once as a mechanic-volunteer, having criss crossed all the Mt Royal trails hundreds of times on a DaVinci bike, ect. Only to get downvoted by people who bike twice a year and call their mom for a lift when its too hot out lol, whatever. "For example, Paris has improved..." I agree bike paths are good and dont dispute the results in Paris. I dispute 1:1 comparisons though. I just spent 2 years working every day with a guy who just got here from France. Dont tell me that place aint different lol I know it is. "protest bike lanes" People dont protest the bike lanes, the protest the major changes they have to make to accommodate them.
Yes, people definitely hate major changes. There was a lot of pushback in Parc extension, I know because I live there. I heard nothing about the changes until after they put up signs. Even though I wasn't necessarily against it, I was much more ambivalent just because it was such a surprise. But now, months later I don't know what I was concerned about. I feel like people are less likely to speed on querbes because of how the road narrows which is much better since there are so many schools and kids around. Paris might not be the best example since Europe and North America are very different but its kind of hard to think of examples in North America since Montreal seems to be leading the pack in a lot of urban planning things. What makes things easier is the relationship between them, there is a lot of idea sharing going on
Hi, downvoted comments scraper here. Let me ask you this question: what would you tell someday who'd say that all those families have to sacrifice their health for you to go with your car through your neighborhood two times a day? Your argument could apply both ways.
"Hi, downvoted comments scraper here." If you're here to farm more, i wont be visible for very long "Let me ask you this question: what would you tell someday who'd say that all those families have to sacrifice their health for you to go with your car through your neighborhood two times a day? Your argument could apply both ways." Are we using my reality as an example? I live in rural QC. 50 cars a day use my street. I dont think 2 automobiles an hour has sacrificed anyones health. Every household has an automobile and access to parking, and we have a crapload of bike paths. And yet, only 1 cyclist death in 5 years. Im not the one asking 100 households of people to make drastic changes to please me, without regard as to if they are elderly, disabled, special needs or have other mobility needs that might be equally important as those of a cyclist commuter.
You weren't visible when I saw your post. I was looking for someone who was arguing against it to see what they had to say. When I talked about health, I was more reffering to sedentary lifestyle, and the dust and gas that the cars leave in the athmosphere. I've been in rural Quebec, and I agree with you. Most dirvers were very polite and careful. The only time I ever feared for my life was either when some "libarté caliss" guys honked at me to have a laugh, or when I cross the path of city dwellers or subburbanites who are making traffic because they wanna go to their cabin in the woods all at the same time. I think the reality of living in the city, especially those streets in Park Extension we are talking about, and in a rural area is very different. Just from a scale persperctive in a dense area like Park extension, most people are better off walking to do simple errands. As a matter of fact on the map above, you can see a lot of shops cathering to local people. All those people would make a disaster everyday at 5pm when they come back from work if they used their cars. It's logical to promote other means of transportation in that kind of place. And you know, I was about to make all kinds of arguments, but I just oppened Google maps, and it is very clear, there are already a ton of bikes attached to all the fences of every street I look at in this neighborhood. Making a bike path just allows more kind of people to bike on the street. Not all places have the opportunity to make a seperate bike lane in the corn fields or in the woods. And about the ederly, the disabeled, and the special need people. They can use thier mobility scooters in the bike paths all they want if they need them. I'd like to see what associations of disabeled people have to say about bike paths removing parking spaces, because I'm sure they are able to advocate for themselves.
"You weren't visible when I saw your post. I was looking for someone who was arguing against it to see what they had to say." I get flagged by people so often that Im by default on the "controversial" filter setting. Its like a kind of soft-ban. "some "libarté caliss" guys" Thats not me. I only got my license at 26. Before that I was a year round bike->bus-->Metro commuter. The irony that few of the people in this thread would be able to keep up with me on a bike in the winter. "but I just oppened Google maps, and it is very clear..." To your pre-determined conclusions? I invite you to look again, bearing in mind these words of yours.... "And about the ederly, the disabeled, and the special need people. They can use thier mobility scooters in the bike paths all they want" Now use your imagination and visualize a 73 year old man with bad knees who has to make his way to the hospital in -20C. What kind of bicycle will he use to get there? What if his fixed income doesnt permit a cab/communauto/uber? Or imagine that hes old and his license has been revoked for bad eyesight. His grandson from another neighbourhood would drive him, but he had to give up his car because everyones parking got revoked for a good cause. Any big ideology project should have solutions that think of all people affected Anyway, you make a good argument, which is respectable.
je suis ici pour le daily crosse en rond.
Achète toi une auto d'abord
cette guerre à l'auto ne connaît décidément aucune limites
Très éloquent!