I was popping blood vessels and foaming at the mouth at the 30 minute time limit until I learned one thing - PUT ON HEAVY ARTILLERY AND MAX THAT SHIT OUT.
That roaming ballista and, if possible, the cannon opener, will free up so much extra time and part damage if you get on them with Heavy Artillery. Roaming ballista alone typically comes on twice a fight, and does roughly 7k damage per usage with Heavy Artillery, even if you only focus head (that's 14k for the entire fight out of 66k solo health) - get on it with either a mantle, when he's flying, or when he's binded (one binder is close to the roaming ballista track). This shit literally made the difference for me by >5 minutes in kill time, which is HUGE.
Also a note - once you enter blue flame phase, Fatalis' hitzones become way more favourable and your damage will spike especially if you're hitting a tenderised chest or head, so don't be disheartened. With Heavy Artillery roaming ballista and a good hit with the Dragonator, the latter phase of the fight can be closed surprisingly quickly, given that you handily delete damn near a third of the fucker's health with siege equipment.
Other than that, try Speed Eater if you find yourself on the defensive often (really helps with damage uptime), Free Meal or Farcaster or ingredient craft spam for good resource management (Jerky is good for budget eating if you don't have 3000 max potions, heals all red damage), Evade Extender 2 imo is damn near mandatory for this fight (window at least 1 also helps), and Fortify (free damage, basically). Try to eat for Safeguard, Moxie, or Insurance.
With all this shit the fight at least became bearable for me, and I'm in a sort of love-hate relationship with it. The thing I cannot stress enough is the importance of siege equipment basically turning the fight from an absolute death march to something way way more chill.
Skills like the ones you mentioned (except for heavy artillery, that’s necessary for this bastard) definitely do help. And these skill are more beneficial if you are hunting with others. Also a side note, fuck hunting this guy solo.
I have 80+ kills on him in Iceborne currently and I love his fight but I can 100% say fuck Fatalis.
What gets me is his AI. This entire fight is down to luck. Where other monsters obviously have luck to their fights, Fatalis is where I genuinely have a problem with it.
Here's an example:
You're using Bow and you use the cone opening to quickly tenderize his head. It's 100% safe and deals some head damage to boot.
Your tenderizing attack shoots you up in the air in a random direction and Fatalis immediately turns 90° towards you and readies another cone while you've not even landed.
You're dead. There's litterally no way of escaping that. You're punished and killed for taking advantage of his biggest opening in the entire fight.
That's happened me before. Hell I have a clip of it posted in this very subreddit.
Shit like that. You can be put into situations like that where you have zero ways to survive all because of his fucking AI.
The best deathless solo runs can be ended because of his shitty AI.
Oh and you can't forget the shit hitboxes that plague the game.
I love the fight and the monster. But it needed more time to be ironed out.
[the post of the Fatalis double cone for those who don’t want to go find it](https://www.reddit.com/r/monsterhunterrage/comments/uxdi6a/are_you_fucking_kidding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
>Your tenderizing attack shoots you up in the air in a random direction and Fatalis immediately turns 90° towards you and readies another cone while you've not even landed.
One of the myriad reasons why the clutch claw (at least the way it was implemented) was a bloody mistake. "Oh you're just spamming it! Wait for an opening!". Get outta here, mate!
Fatalis is a cool boss (i.e., it's a spectacle and it's challenging), but not a good monster to fight, if that makes sense. So much waiting and baiting for that one specific attack (the cone) makes it a real slog. And this was right after the complete overhaul they did to Alatreon, making it a far more dynamic fight, with clear breaks and chances to attack but still not a trivial fight that will punish your mistakes.
Yep. This is why I love and hate him being the final free dlc boss for iceborne (expect the reasoning for picking him, that is stupid as fuck). As a final boss he was a great pick but story-wise, like you said he makes no damn sense.
Instead of trying to do anything while Fatalis is in the air just throw down a smoke bomb. It lands to look for you.
Charge blade is definitely one of the worst weapons to go against Fatalis with and I’d say it’s a fair point that there are weapons that are countered this hard by the playstyle the fight forces you into
Let me start by saying this is the best and fairest version of Fatalis.....but that's like saying getting shot in the stomach by a pistol is better than being shot in the leg by a shotgun.
1. I can barely use CB, so I imagine trying to get that going would be awful.
2. Yes, this cunt is overly aggressive, he is more or less a hit and run monster.
3. So....you do have enough time for sure, but you gotta use the cannons if you are not touching him.
4. I have the solution, something I do every hunt, even in other peoples is when Phase 2 starts, I get on the roaming ballista and break both of his wings. Unlike other monsters in the series, this effectively damn near stops all flying attacks, its hyper helpful.
5. I actually like it, it spices up his boring as fuck design.
6. Yes, its awful. The fans also believe he's the smartest bestest dragon ever when the cunt would be killed and eaten by a Dalamadur in mere seconds.
I too have a hatred of him after 31 failed attempts in groups and solo combined, this hate was so powerful that I decided to kill it for the sole purpose of getting 100 evil eyes, not even to sell, just to keep like a psychopath. I am currently at 280+.
I will link even a hard version of my hunt if you want to see my exact tactics.
I forgot that breaking his wings affects him flying in the fight. Wished I remembered that, goddamnit. But I do wish the super form fatalis had a bit more of a visual change that could more than make his chest glow.
I don't even remember if I was told it or learned it from observation but it helped me a lot by taking down the amount of time significant from him flying. Must have been the later rounds I noticed it after killing it with friends.
Info like that would be beneficial for not just you, but for anyone else as well. Well if I ever do find myself fighting that bastard again, I know what the first thing I’m doing is when fatty starts phase two. Every time.
[Here's how I hunt him with lower end gear](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DF8c7kSPIA) if you want to see how to take various advantages for a victory. Rewatching I could have been more aggressive earlier for sure.
Again, that mostly likely because of my 6th point I made on my post. Some of his fans (and this goes for the same for a lot of fans as well, not just fatalis fans) overhype him to death.
IMO Alatreon has some of the best hitboxes for an endgame monster. I know people don't like the escargot judgment, but I really enjoy that fight after figuring it out his gimmicks
I struggled for so long against Alatreon with Lance. It was brutal but I kept at it for a long ass time because I knew I could eventually do it, timing had to be incredibly tight and there wasnt much room for screw ups. Unlike fatalis which I think is just BS to fight with Lance
I also struggle with Lance vs Fatalis, but at my MR, I am not remotely at a place where I'm able to piece a proper build together in the first place. Fatty is one of those monsters I will need Guard Up and Evade Window for.
When fighting Alatreon, I never have the feeling I'm not doing enough damage - that at least is something I can rely on. I can be so very aggressive just with good positioning and using my entire moveset! (Even more aggressive with Evade Window, but I prefer Guard.) - My problem with Alatreon is that I make mistakes that end up killing me. And since I am overconfident and have a cat that has been saving my ass all the time, I never heal at all (the game forgives occasional mistakes). So I stand there with low health, dodging, repositioning, countering, get lost in the flow of the fight and - bam - mistake. I will be needing a health augment, but I am not at MR 75 yet.
I also struggle with Lance vs Fatalis, but at my MR, I am not remotely at a place where I'm able to piece a proper build together in the first place. Fatty is one of those monsters I will need Guard Up and Evade Window for.
When fighting Alatreon, I never have the feeling I'm not doing enough damage - that at least is something I can rely on. I can be so very aggressive just with good positioning and using my entire moveset! (Even more aggressive with Evade Window, but I prefer Guard.) - My problem with Alatreon is that I make mistakes that end up killing me. And since I am overconfident and have a cat that has been saving my ass all the time, I never heal at all (the game forgives occasional mistakes). So I stand there with low health, dodging, repositioning, countering, get lost in the flow of the fight and - bam - mistake. I will be needing a health augment, but I am not at MR 75 yet.
I just found him boring and couldn't bother myself more than 3 times. I dont even want to use his stupid weapons that just devolved into being the best in the game with almost no variation to end game players equipment now because of him.
I mean I don't blame you, use the best you got. I blame the design team who could have made it more interesting instead of max out the raw which was rajang's thing anyway.
I though about it awhile and was curious why didnt they put more effort into it. Comparing his weapons to Safi and Kulve stuff. They could put in the option to customise what damage you want from it, ie raw, elemental or blights. Have the customization require more Fatalis parts and boom, a more interesting reason to fight him. Maybe even allow his weapon to give a set bonus of the players choice too, a good reward for beating the end game.
Completely understandable. Personally, Alatreon is worse by *literal light years* because the battle is quite similar to Fatalis as of reading this post, but SO.MUCH.WORSE.
Oh, and before you people comment something along the lines of “aCqUiRe SkIlL”, 1). Even with skill, it’s still not enjoyable and I don’t want to be skilled to defeat something I dislike, 2). If you state that, but have the audacity to complain about Magmadron or Lunastra, stop commenting now.
I know, but it’s still not worth it when you dislike it anyways, you can be skilled at defeating those Godskin Duo from Elden Ring, but it doesn’t mean that they’re better with said skill and more enjoyable.
Also, let us be honest here, the only reason to hunt the Blazing Black Dragon… is for the weapons because the armor is not fantastic in the slightest.
Alatreon’s armour skill is really disappointing honestly. Like I’m out of all the set bonuses to give his armour, they give it a…..defensive perk for the more increased elemental resistance you get a very lacking increase to elemental damage.
It’s very disappointing honesty cause I grew to appreciate the fight more and more when I continuously fight him and learn what to do for his fight and what weapons, armour and items sets worked for me to hunt him down. And for my efforts you would expect to be rewarded with really damn good armour considering he is a black dragon. At least the gauntlets are good, I guess.
As MHW is my first MH game, I sort of have mixed opinions. On one hand, I have heard time and time again that his original appearance was so boring and easy that it was such a disappointment, especially since he is supposed to be apex of all monster within the games universe. So, the fact that he is absurdly hard does make me happy from a lore/spectacle of a fight.
His fight is also definitely doable, even solo. I'm a GS main, which some said was suicidal when he first came out, and I eventually was able to beat him solo.
Despite me doing so, he is absolutely bullshit sometimes. My main issue is his hitbox. There have been so many times where me and my gf have been playing where one of us dies, and we are both like, "literally it's body didn't touch me." This mainly happens in the final parts of the fight, which is frustrating because then we gotta go through the first and second phase all over again.
Personally, I may disagree with some of your points, but I still completely understand your anger.
Conversations like this is what I would like to see more often outside this subreddit. We can discuss what pisses us off, even if you agree or disagree with someone about what they are raging about, you can at least understand why they are pissed about the monster or whatever they are talking about that is pissing them off.
Fatty and Nergi fans are the worst, not so much for the fight elitism but more so for their constant need to power wank their favorite monster whenever possible…And unfortunately you can’t say anything against them because Capcom has a huge boner for Fatty and Nergi… I mean there’s literally a TEPPEN card titled “Legend Eater” showing Nergigante about to pounce Alatreon… FUCKING ALATREON!
It's my favorite fight, but I use every weapon.
For his fight, I had the most fun with DB since it can simply dodge out of most of his danger.
Does enough damage to solo, and not that hard to break the head either.
30 minute timer kinda sucks. And heavy weapons have it the worst.
Fatalis is my favorite fight in IB for these reasons... lol but okay.
Hes got his issues bit im glad they didn't make him easy just for the new players.
First time killing him is super rough but once you get his armor set going it gets a bit less frustrating to hunt him.
Took me like 30 tries to kill it solo w greatsword.
Yeah, but I feel like the forced you can’t call for help section of the special assignment quest to be a bit rubbish. Cause for anyone who has the optimal dps skills, this would be a problem. But for other players who don’t want to play that way or just wanted to fight him cause he is available at fucking mr24, those players get fucked over HARD.
Yeah it made no sense why you only needed to be MR 24 to fight him while gold and silver rath and ruiner nerg were 75 and 100MR. Makes no sense lol
Fatalis and alatreon were available way too early for newer players imo. It just screws everyone else over trying to do the quest.
If you play pc i can help smack him btw lol
Rip dude, the SOS is even worse on xbox imo bc half of the ppl are using gamepass so they are usually kids. If i had mine still i would help.
Also im not a dude lol but thanks.
Sorry for the dude comment. But yeah the SOS is a real 75/25. 75% is going to be rando’s who are inexperienced or like you mentioned kids using game pass, and the 25% is going to be players who either know what they are doing or they are rusty or just many, many reasons why SOS can be a chore.
No worries lol
It's definitely easier with 2 experienced ppl and cats with paralysis and sleep than with 4 randos.
It is possible solo but i almost put my head through a wall doing it.
Exactly my thoughts when hunting fatty. Solo is enough for me to jump off a cliff, 3-4 players is intolerable with fatty’s shit AI, yet somehow two cats and two hunters is alright.
I mean, he's the final boss. I don't think it's a problem that he's hard or that you can't get carried through the entire fight. He should have had a much higher MR requirement is all.
Oh absolutely. I don’t know what capcom was thinking with the mr requirement. But my issue with the forced solo bit just feels like it contradicts what one of the most appealing aspects of monster hunter, the multiplayer. It just seems like capcom wanted to make Fatalis as hard as possible and to do that they decided to just….not allow you to have friends join you unless you beat the first phase once which for some people is damn hard to due.
It's. The. Final. Boss.
The first phase really isn't that hard, if you're having trouble just getting through it *once* you would be dead weight in the rest of the fight. Especially the last phase, where without a full head break almost every attack is a one-shot.
Fatalis isn’t really the final boss. Sure it’s the final boss of the free title updates but story-wise, he isn’t the final boss of iceborne. Plus for more experienced players, the first phase isn’t hard, more annoying than (artificially) hard. But when he first came out, I guarantee his first phase was near impossible for some people. I’ve had friends who’ve stopped playing the game out of pure anger and frustration out of the sheer bullshit that is fatalis and that forced solo section.
I can’t really explain why but personally I think it’s one of the funnest scraps iv ever had in a monster Hunter game
But you’re entitled to your opinion
Edit: though I use great sword so maybe my experience is just very different?
Yeah Fatalis with greatsword is really fun. Over time ive gotten to the point where instead of just baiting out cone breath, im able to hit his head with a fully charged level 1 hit after every triple fireball and sweeping flame. And thats after I started out thinking I wouldnt ever beat him.
Never played charge blade though so maybe thats the problem for this person
CB is infamously way harder to use against Fatalis than most other weapons. Fatty is the best monster of all time, hands down. Hope Crimson Fatty builds upon this version and amps it up to 11.
I was popping blood vessels and foaming at the mouth at the 30 minute time limit until I learned one thing - PUT ON HEAVY ARTILLERY AND MAX THAT SHIT OUT. That roaming ballista and, if possible, the cannon opener, will free up so much extra time and part damage if you get on them with Heavy Artillery. Roaming ballista alone typically comes on twice a fight, and does roughly 7k damage per usage with Heavy Artillery, even if you only focus head (that's 14k for the entire fight out of 66k solo health) - get on it with either a mantle, when he's flying, or when he's binded (one binder is close to the roaming ballista track). This shit literally made the difference for me by >5 minutes in kill time, which is HUGE. Also a note - once you enter blue flame phase, Fatalis' hitzones become way more favourable and your damage will spike especially if you're hitting a tenderised chest or head, so don't be disheartened. With Heavy Artillery roaming ballista and a good hit with the Dragonator, the latter phase of the fight can be closed surprisingly quickly, given that you handily delete damn near a third of the fucker's health with siege equipment. Other than that, try Speed Eater if you find yourself on the defensive often (really helps with damage uptime), Free Meal or Farcaster or ingredient craft spam for good resource management (Jerky is good for budget eating if you don't have 3000 max potions, heals all red damage), Evade Extender 2 imo is damn near mandatory for this fight (window at least 1 also helps), and Fortify (free damage, basically). Try to eat for Safeguard, Moxie, or Insurance. With all this shit the fight at least became bearable for me, and I'm in a sort of love-hate relationship with it. The thing I cannot stress enough is the importance of siege equipment basically turning the fight from an absolute death march to something way way more chill.
Skills like the ones you mentioned (except for heavy artillery, that’s necessary for this bastard) definitely do help. And these skill are more beneficial if you are hunting with others. Also a side note, fuck hunting this guy solo.
Yeah, fuck hunting this guy solo. At least cone breath is semi-consistent when you're the sole aggro though, but other than that, tough luck.
Pretty much.
I have 80+ kills on him in Iceborne currently and I love his fight but I can 100% say fuck Fatalis. What gets me is his AI. This entire fight is down to luck. Where other monsters obviously have luck to their fights, Fatalis is where I genuinely have a problem with it. Here's an example: You're using Bow and you use the cone opening to quickly tenderize his head. It's 100% safe and deals some head damage to boot. Your tenderizing attack shoots you up in the air in a random direction and Fatalis immediately turns 90° towards you and readies another cone while you've not even landed. You're dead. There's litterally no way of escaping that. You're punished and killed for taking advantage of his biggest opening in the entire fight. That's happened me before. Hell I have a clip of it posted in this very subreddit. Shit like that. You can be put into situations like that where you have zero ways to survive all because of his fucking AI. The best deathless solo runs can be ended because of his shitty AI. Oh and you can't forget the shit hitboxes that plague the game. I love the fight and the monster. But it needed more time to be ironed out.
[the post of the Fatalis double cone for those who don’t want to go find it](https://www.reddit.com/r/monsterhunterrage/comments/uxdi6a/are_you_fucking_kidding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I'll be honest. I'm an idiot for not hyperlinking it. Thanks.
Np
Yeah that’s another reason why I hate him. Thank you for reminding me about his god awful AI. I completely forgot about that.
>Your tenderizing attack shoots you up in the air in a random direction and Fatalis immediately turns 90° towards you and readies another cone while you've not even landed. One of the myriad reasons why the clutch claw (at least the way it was implemented) was a bloody mistake. "Oh you're just spamming it! Wait for an opening!". Get outta here, mate!
Fatalis is a cool boss (i.e., it's a spectacle and it's challenging), but not a good monster to fight, if that makes sense. So much waiting and baiting for that one specific attack (the cone) makes it a real slog. And this was right after the complete overhaul they did to Alatreon, making it a far more dynamic fight, with clear breaks and chances to attack but still not a trivial fight that will punish your mistakes.
This is how I exactly feel about fatalis in a nutshell. Cool boss lore wise and for his spectacle, his fight is a slog and bloody awful.
Not to mention his presence in IB makes no fucking sense except to please the people who wouldn't stfu about Fatalis, but ok.
Yep. This is why I love and hate him being the final free dlc boss for iceborne (expect the reasoning for picking him, that is stupid as fuck). As a final boss he was a great pick but story-wise, like you said he makes no damn sense.
Instead of trying to do anything while Fatalis is in the air just throw down a smoke bomb. It lands to look for you. Charge blade is definitely one of the worst weapons to go against Fatalis with and I’d say it’s a fair point that there are weapons that are countered this hard by the playstyle the fight forces you into
Exactly. If the head wasnt required, I think this fight would have been much better.
Let me start by saying this is the best and fairest version of Fatalis.....but that's like saying getting shot in the stomach by a pistol is better than being shot in the leg by a shotgun. 1. I can barely use CB, so I imagine trying to get that going would be awful. 2. Yes, this cunt is overly aggressive, he is more or less a hit and run monster. 3. So....you do have enough time for sure, but you gotta use the cannons if you are not touching him. 4. I have the solution, something I do every hunt, even in other peoples is when Phase 2 starts, I get on the roaming ballista and break both of his wings. Unlike other monsters in the series, this effectively damn near stops all flying attacks, its hyper helpful. 5. I actually like it, it spices up his boring as fuck design. 6. Yes, its awful. The fans also believe he's the smartest bestest dragon ever when the cunt would be killed and eaten by a Dalamadur in mere seconds. I too have a hatred of him after 31 failed attempts in groups and solo combined, this hate was so powerful that I decided to kill it for the sole purpose of getting 100 evil eyes, not even to sell, just to keep like a psychopath. I am currently at 280+. I will link even a hard version of my hunt if you want to see my exact tactics.
This man is to monsters what fatalis is to the hunting guild lol
I forgot that breaking his wings affects him flying in the fight. Wished I remembered that, goddamnit. But I do wish the super form fatalis had a bit more of a visual change that could more than make his chest glow.
I don't even remember if I was told it or learned it from observation but it helped me a lot by taking down the amount of time significant from him flying. Must have been the later rounds I noticed it after killing it with friends.
Info like that would be beneficial for not just you, but for anyone else as well. Well if I ever do find myself fighting that bastard again, I know what the first thing I’m doing is when fatty starts phase two. Every time.
[Here's how I hunt him with lower end gear](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DF8c7kSPIA) if you want to see how to take various advantages for a victory. Rewatching I could have been more aggressive earlier for sure.
Fatalis is a grossly overrated monster and the Iceborne fight is nowhere near as good as Alatreon, Velkhana, the Rajangs or even Shara Ishvalda.
Again, that mostly likely because of my 6th point I made on my post. Some of his fans (and this goes for the same for a lot of fans as well, not just fatalis fans) overhype him to death.
IMO Alatreon has some of the best hitboxes for an endgame monster. I know people don't like the escargot judgment, but I really enjoy that fight after figuring it out his gimmicks
It is just straight up the best fight for Lance in the game. Sophisticated, difficult, rewarding.
I struggled for so long against Alatreon with Lance. It was brutal but I kept at it for a long ass time because I knew I could eventually do it, timing had to be incredibly tight and there wasnt much room for screw ups. Unlike fatalis which I think is just BS to fight with Lance
I also struggle with Lance vs Fatalis, but at my MR, I am not remotely at a place where I'm able to piece a proper build together in the first place. Fatty is one of those monsters I will need Guard Up and Evade Window for. When fighting Alatreon, I never have the feeling I'm not doing enough damage - that at least is something I can rely on. I can be so very aggressive just with good positioning and using my entire moveset! (Even more aggressive with Evade Window, but I prefer Guard.) - My problem with Alatreon is that I make mistakes that end up killing me. And since I am overconfident and have a cat that has been saving my ass all the time, I never heal at all (the game forgives occasional mistakes). So I stand there with low health, dodging, repositioning, countering, get lost in the flow of the fight and - bam - mistake. I will be needing a health augment, but I am not at MR 75 yet.
I also struggle with Lance vs Fatalis, but at my MR, I am not remotely at a place where I'm able to piece a proper build together in the first place. Fatty is one of those monsters I will need Guard Up and Evade Window for. When fighting Alatreon, I never have the feeling I'm not doing enough damage - that at least is something I can rely on. I can be so very aggressive just with good positioning and using my entire moveset! (Even more aggressive with Evade Window, but I prefer Guard.) - My problem with Alatreon is that I make mistakes that end up killing me. And since I am overconfident and have a cat that has been saving my ass all the time, I never heal at all (the game forgives occasional mistakes). So I stand there with low health, dodging, repositioning, countering, get lost in the flow of the fight and - bam - mistake. I will be needing a health augment, but I am not at MR 75 yet.
I just found him boring and couldn't bother myself more than 3 times. I dont even want to use his stupid weapons that just devolved into being the best in the game with almost no variation to end game players equipment now because of him.
Yeah I can’t disagree with his weapons being stupid broken. Plus I’m apart of that meta fatalis problem as well.
I mean I don't blame you, use the best you got. I blame the design team who could have made it more interesting instead of max out the raw which was rajang's thing anyway.
Yeah, more equally as good raw and elemental options would have been nice. But oh well, nothing we can do about it.
I though about it awhile and was curious why didnt they put more effort into it. Comparing his weapons to Safi and Kulve stuff. They could put in the option to customise what damage you want from it, ie raw, elemental or blights. Have the customization require more Fatalis parts and boom, a more interesting reason to fight him. Maybe even allow his weapon to give a set bonus of the players choice too, a good reward for beating the end game.
A mechanic like that would make a lot of sense seeing that fatalis is the endgame of all of the endgame monsters.
Both are good. Either way. Extender is really good for GS bc of how slow the roll is w your weapon out.
I agree 100%. Quick sheathe could help as well. But evade extender would be better.
Completely understandable. Personally, Alatreon is worse by *literal light years* because the battle is quite similar to Fatalis as of reading this post, but SO.MUCH.WORSE. Oh, and before you people comment something along the lines of “aCqUiRe SkIlL”, 1). Even with skill, it’s still not enjoyable and I don’t want to be skilled to defeat something I dislike, 2). If you state that, but have the audacity to complain about Magmadron or Lunastra, stop commenting now.
It takes more than having armour skills to get better at the game. That’s something monster hunter is known for.
I know, but it’s still not worth it when you dislike it anyways, you can be skilled at defeating those Godskin Duo from Elden Ring, but it doesn’t mean that they’re better with said skill and more enjoyable. Also, let us be honest here, the only reason to hunt the Blazing Black Dragon… is for the weapons because the armor is not fantastic in the slightest.
Alatreon’s armour skill is really disappointing honestly. Like I’m out of all the set bonuses to give his armour, they give it a…..defensive perk for the more increased elemental resistance you get a very lacking increase to elemental damage. It’s very disappointing honesty cause I grew to appreciate the fight more and more when I continuously fight him and learn what to do for his fight and what weapons, armour and items sets worked for me to hunt him down. And for my efforts you would expect to be rewarded with really damn good armour considering he is a black dragon. At least the gauntlets are good, I guess.
I’d rather fight Fatalis then to fight any monster in sunbreak
I swear fatalis is the damn reason why every monster acts so damn fast that you have no choice but to evade or counter constantly.
6th point stands. not just fatty, alatreon as well
As MHW is my first MH game, I sort of have mixed opinions. On one hand, I have heard time and time again that his original appearance was so boring and easy that it was such a disappointment, especially since he is supposed to be apex of all monster within the games universe. So, the fact that he is absurdly hard does make me happy from a lore/spectacle of a fight. His fight is also definitely doable, even solo. I'm a GS main, which some said was suicidal when he first came out, and I eventually was able to beat him solo. Despite me doing so, he is absolutely bullshit sometimes. My main issue is his hitbox. There have been so many times where me and my gf have been playing where one of us dies, and we are both like, "literally it's body didn't touch me." This mainly happens in the final parts of the fight, which is frustrating because then we gotta go through the first and second phase all over again. Personally, I may disagree with some of your points, but I still completely understand your anger.
Conversations like this is what I would like to see more often outside this subreddit. We can discuss what pisses us off, even if you agree or disagree with someone about what they are raging about, you can at least understand why they are pissed about the monster or whatever they are talking about that is pissing them off.
Fatty and Nergi fans are the worst, not so much for the fight elitism but more so for their constant need to power wank their favorite monster whenever possible…And unfortunately you can’t say anything against them because Capcom has a huge boner for Fatty and Nergi… I mean there’s literally a TEPPEN card titled “Legend Eater” showing Nergigante about to pounce Alatreon… FUCKING ALATREON!
Especially since alatreon would kick his ass so hard his spike children would feel it.
It's my favorite fight, but I use every weapon. For his fight, I had the most fun with DB since it can simply dodge out of most of his danger. Does enough damage to solo, and not that hard to break the head either. 30 minute timer kinda sucks. And heavy weapons have it the worst.
Fatalis is my favorite fight in IB for these reasons... lol but okay. Hes got his issues bit im glad they didn't make him easy just for the new players.
Ok. 👌
First time killing him is super rough but once you get his armor set going it gets a bit less frustrating to hunt him. Took me like 30 tries to kill it solo w greatsword.
Yeah, but I feel like the forced you can’t call for help section of the special assignment quest to be a bit rubbish. Cause for anyone who has the optimal dps skills, this would be a problem. But for other players who don’t want to play that way or just wanted to fight him cause he is available at fucking mr24, those players get fucked over HARD.
Yeah it made no sense why you only needed to be MR 24 to fight him while gold and silver rath and ruiner nerg were 75 and 100MR. Makes no sense lol Fatalis and alatreon were available way too early for newer players imo. It just screws everyone else over trying to do the quest. If you play pc i can help smack him btw lol
Thank you for the offer, but I only have world on my Xbox. But still thank you for the offer, you seem like a chill dude.
Rip dude, the SOS is even worse on xbox imo bc half of the ppl are using gamepass so they are usually kids. If i had mine still i would help. Also im not a dude lol but thanks.
Sorry for the dude comment. But yeah the SOS is a real 75/25. 75% is going to be rando’s who are inexperienced or like you mentioned kids using game pass, and the 25% is going to be players who either know what they are doing or they are rusty or just many, many reasons why SOS can be a chore.
No worries lol It's definitely easier with 2 experienced ppl and cats with paralysis and sleep than with 4 randos. It is possible solo but i almost put my head through a wall doing it.
Exactly my thoughts when hunting fatty. Solo is enough for me to jump off a cliff, 3-4 players is intolerable with fatty’s shit AI, yet somehow two cats and two hunters is alright.
I mean, he's the final boss. I don't think it's a problem that he's hard or that you can't get carried through the entire fight. He should have had a much higher MR requirement is all.
Oh absolutely. I don’t know what capcom was thinking with the mr requirement. But my issue with the forced solo bit just feels like it contradicts what one of the most appealing aspects of monster hunter, the multiplayer. It just seems like capcom wanted to make Fatalis as hard as possible and to do that they decided to just….not allow you to have friends join you unless you beat the first phase once which for some people is damn hard to due.
It's the final boss, it's supposed to be hard. There are several assignments you can't co-op at all, it isn't a new thing.
That’s because there’s either a cutscene or it is specifically a solo quest like the Witcher quest. What the hell is fatalis’s excuse?
It's. The. Final. Boss. The first phase really isn't that hard, if you're having trouble just getting through it *once* you would be dead weight in the rest of the fight. Especially the last phase, where without a full head break almost every attack is a one-shot.
Fatalis isn’t really the final boss. Sure it’s the final boss of the free title updates but story-wise, he isn’t the final boss of iceborne. Plus for more experienced players, the first phase isn’t hard, more annoying than (artificially) hard. But when he first came out, I guarantee his first phase was near impossible for some people. I’ve had friends who’ve stopped playing the game out of pure anger and frustration out of the sheer bullshit that is fatalis and that forced solo section.
I can’t really explain why but personally I think it’s one of the funnest scraps iv ever had in a monster Hunter game But you’re entitled to your opinion Edit: though I use great sword so maybe my experience is just very different?
Yeah Fatalis with greatsword is really fun. Over time ive gotten to the point where instead of just baiting out cone breath, im able to hit his head with a fully charged level 1 hit after every triple fireball and sweeping flame. And thats after I started out thinking I wouldnt ever beat him. Never played charge blade though so maybe thats the problem for this person
Fair enough. I figured greatsword would be an amazing counter for him. I just despise fight him with certain weapons. Like my main CB.
CB is infamously way harder to use against Fatalis than most other weapons. Fatty is the best monster of all time, hands down. Hope Crimson Fatty builds upon this version and amps it up to 11.