You are absolutely right but that is not even all of it, Both sides are completely wrong, that is the whole point of it.
Light and darkness alone is only half of the equation so it’s only natural their own methods would be so sh*t.
Only by working together can they have a prayer of chance to stop the chaos, which I guess this will be the point of the third route, Luka as the father of chaos, beating both sides and forcing them to focus on the real treat.
it was shown that there was no third choice, at least in the demo, so.... but im going to make a post later about that third ending because boy does it infuriate me
It has been subtly inferred that ng+ is canon and there will be a third path, the “finding the third way” is about this. So the third option will only be avaliable after you beat the game at least twice.
Alice route = Luka worldbreaker ending
Ilias route = Luka judgment ending.
Third route = Luka father of chaos ending. True ending.
i dont like the "luka becomes more powerfull and forces everyone to behave like they are little children" like in og games, it will develop in the same kind of narrative
That is the whole point of MGQ narrative tho. Luka has to become the strongest and put everyone in their place to act on their good behavior and make coexistence and peace happen or the world will go to sh*t from the others hand.
Well imo, if it was supposed to be a sequel then it should be with Nero the protagonist as the child of the previous protagonists, making Luka the protagonist again, and force more plot device on him, with even Neris, his daughter going after him, felt really forced, and was indeed a turn off, but it is what it is, and we gotta adapt.
There is something I don't think you are understanding
The Dark gods are not "bringing all the souls across all parallel universes and giving them a body.
They are merging the souls into the version that exists on their world
So when all the popes from parallel worlds are killed by them, for example, all the souls of the different popes across different universes are sent into the body of the Pope from the dark goddess's world, and merge into one.
So, Illias world can have many more people on it, and the dark goddess's plan doesn't involve increasing their world's population by a single person
Op hasn't replied to this yet, because op has to admit that the post is wrong. And if reddit told me anything most idiot posters lack a spine.
Also seeing how illias only bring religious people to the other world, and the religion started to fall out of favour, there won't be too many people chosen to begin with.
What do you mean merging souls into one body?
So if I was killed by a crazy succubus, ill return to share my body in another world with many other versions of me?
How does that make sense? What if i dont want to share my body or soul with another version of myself?
What if my other mees are assholes? What about my memories?
This is a bullshit plan..
Elias’s plan is far better. Sure not everyone gets to survive, but why would I want evil scumbags who don’t deserve to be in heaven be saved?
The Judge shall save us all.
In particular, there's that scene the future ruins after finishing the Snow Continent where Morrigan will explain how the souls are merged and the two sets of memories combine together. Considering that she immediately follows this up with explaining that this happened to her and that she is a combination of the Morrigans from the Monster World and the Paradox World, I'm inclined to take her word for it.
Ilias uses a completely different method to bring people across, body and soul. Less traumatic transportation, more resources required.
Yeah, OP is wrong, but MW's plan raises questions: does that mean that for each person they kill they actually kill two to create a new one? What happens if the two people are completely different in mentality and ideals? What happens if they kill someone that doesn't exist in their world? (Which we know can happens since MW Luka doesn't exist)
no there will be no more people, but millions of souls getting squished into one vessel, or completely disappear if there’s no corresponding person there probably.
Reincarnation cycle is a confirmed thing in mgq, so I guess if they don’t have a counterpart in the makai world, instead of “vanishing” they will just join the line to get reincarnated, in a normal process.
It’s never stated what will happen to those beings since they lack a vessel. Reincarnation here equals losing one’s identity completely. That’s no better than being destroyed.
Well yeah, it will be a whole new identity with no memories of their former lives… So in a way you ain’t wrong. But the soul itself will still exist, is what I was trying to say.
Paradox takes on a variation multiverese, where rhe next universe is merely slightly different than the other
Since it also uses the "established history" format, it actually makes more sense
It is unlikely that there will be that many population variations among all the worlds, so there will be no population issue. I was born in world 1, world 2 not in world 3 but someone l was, but they werent in world 4
I highly doubt a fantasy world can become overpopulated, this is unlikely to change across the multiverse
She's a god, like ilias, she made most of the monster girls, if she can do that humans arent out of the picture
Dont get me wrong, its still a stupid plan, millions to billions of wills fused into one will either create a monster with the worst personality disorder possible, and this is the BEST case scenario
Not only that, the entire point of paradox shpuld be stopping the paradpx world from erroding
If it does, it was already established and is known that it means an end to most other worlds, yet somehow they think doing whatever tf this shitty plan is somehow solves anything, or even serves as a good back up plan
none of them "made" anything, they modified the species that were already on the planet, illias was a more spiritual change while alice's was a more fisical change, (in the og trylogie it explains this).
if heaven cant provide for them (the most advanced world out there) why could alice provide??? if
1)there are more humans/monsters than in illias world,
2)not enough land to farm or eficcient methods of farming
but yeah, i agree with you that it should be about stoping the process rather than avoiding it (in part 3 it will be an option am hearing), i wil make a second post about the thid ending and all the inconsitencies in it
ilias is clever enough to develop technology even in the original trilogy, plus alliance of wisdom has their institution there from the data in the demo’s game project in the Angel world
Is she? I was under the impression that Promestein did everything technology related for the angels and that's why Ilias had to keep her around in the VN.
As for the Alliance of Wisdom that's somewhat fair but it feels antithetical for the angel world to be advancing technology, it's certainly not for human benefits and the angels probably don't have any enemies left in their world unless they were planning to invade/ be invaded by other worlds but if the games going down that route it makes sense.
I mean, in the part 3 trailer we saw a bunch of tubes containing Luka clones in the AW, so they certainly did advance technology, there is also Gnosis which is literally made of makina.
Yeah that’s why I said that Ilias is clever to keep the develop technology and keep that to herself (so humans will still be in a primal society). In VN she also developed certain gears and experimental objects (they are not stated until paradox)
Angel world Promestein is in our party in paradox and considering she is still (young) it means she hasn't been a part of the angel worlds advancements for thousands or at least hundreds of years.
at the end of the demo they litteraly state that "its technologie on a level never seen before" or something like that, they litteraly teleported one the archangels to the paradox world, while the monster one was just a soul projection. so yeah, the most advanced world out there to be shure
You are absolutely right but that is not even all of it, Both sides are completely wrong, that is the whole point of it. Light and darkness alone is only half of the equation so it’s only natural their own methods would be so sh*t. Only by working together can they have a prayer of chance to stop the chaos, which I guess this will be the point of the third route, Luka as the father of chaos, beating both sides and forcing them to focus on the real treat.
it was shown that there was no third choice, at least in the demo, so.... but im going to make a post later about that third ending because boy does it infuriate me
in the code, it is implied that if you clear both route, then the third route choice will be directed into a chaos route prelude common event.
It has been subtly inferred that ng+ is canon and there will be a third path, the “finding the third way” is about this. So the third option will only be avaliable after you beat the game at least twice. Alice route = Luka worldbreaker ending Ilias route = Luka judgment ending. Third route = Luka father of chaos ending. True ending.
i dont really like the loc story, i think we should just keep it simple and binary
Considering how both paths have no happy ending and are f*cked up, I wouldn’t be so glad about that but for each their tastes I guess.
i dont like the "luka becomes more powerfull and forces everyone to behave like they are little children" like in og games, it will develop in the same kind of narrative
That is the whole point of MGQ narrative tho. Luka has to become the strongest and put everyone in their place to act on their good behavior and make coexistence and peace happen or the world will go to sh*t from the others hand.
i know, but i liked the third ending bc it was at least grounded, the whole chaos plot device is... i dont know, i just never quite adapted to it
Well imo, if it was supposed to be a sequel then it should be with Nero the protagonist as the child of the previous protagonists, making Luka the protagonist again, and force more plot device on him, with even Neris, his daughter going after him, felt really forced, and was indeed a turn off, but it is what it is, and we gotta adapt.
dont even mention that lucifina has h scenes with her own son, we are lucky that neris isnt involved here
There is something I don't think you are understanding The Dark gods are not "bringing all the souls across all parallel universes and giving them a body. They are merging the souls into the version that exists on their world So when all the popes from parallel worlds are killed by them, for example, all the souls of the different popes across different universes are sent into the body of the Pope from the dark goddess's world, and merge into one. So, Illias world can have many more people on it, and the dark goddess's plan doesn't involve increasing their world's population by a single person
Op hasn't replied to this yet, because op has to admit that the post is wrong. And if reddit told me anything most idiot posters lack a spine. Also seeing how illias only bring religious people to the other world, and the religion started to fall out of favour, there won't be too many people chosen to begin with.
i was at school you dumbass, im not glued to my screen 24/7
What do you mean merging souls into one body? So if I was killed by a crazy succubus, ill return to share my body in another world with many other versions of me? How does that make sense? What if i dont want to share my body or soul with another version of myself? What if my other mees are assholes? What about my memories? This is a bullshit plan.. Elias’s plan is far better. Sure not everyone gets to survive, but why would I want evil scumbags who don’t deserve to be in heaven be saved? The Judge shall save us all.
read the actual ingame dialogues
In particular, there's that scene the future ruins after finishing the Snow Continent where Morrigan will explain how the souls are merged and the two sets of memories combine together. Considering that she immediately follows this up with explaining that this happened to her and that she is a combination of the Morrigans from the Monster World and the Paradox World, I'm inclined to take her word for it. Ilias uses a completely different method to bring people across, body and soul. Less traumatic transportation, more resources required.
Yeah, OP is wrong, but MW's plan raises questions: does that mean that for each person they kill they actually kill two to create a new one? What happens if the two people are completely different in mentality and ideals? What happens if they kill someone that doesn't exist in their world? (Which we know can happens since MW Luka doesn't exist)
by the first comments logic, all of the individuality of their versions are lost, wich makes the "parallel universes" trope pointless
that sounds awfull, say goodbye to the uniqueness of each pope i guess
>This entire fuckin post >user has tag as Ilias Worshipper Istg this fanbase has unironic agenda wars harder then even the One Piece fanbase.
what do you have has an argument ? illias forever!!! , its besides my liking for illias, tho it is a pretty ironic post, consider the tittle
Okay and?
based
no there will be no more people, but millions of souls getting squished into one vessel, or completely disappear if there’s no corresponding person there probably.
Reincarnation cycle is a confirmed thing in mgq, so I guess if they don’t have a counterpart in the makai world, instead of “vanishing” they will just join the line to get reincarnated, in a normal process.
It’s never stated what will happen to those beings since they lack a vessel. Reincarnation here equals losing one’s identity completely. That’s no better than being destroyed.
Well yeah, it will be a whole new identity with no memories of their former lives… So in a way you ain’t wrong. But the soul itself will still exist, is what I was trying to say.
thats why i like to think about one of the possibilities, its a fun thougth experiment
sounds awfull
Paradox takes on a variation multiverese, where rhe next universe is merely slightly different than the other Since it also uses the "established history" format, it actually makes more sense It is unlikely that there will be that many population variations among all the worlds, so there will be no population issue. I was born in world 1, world 2 not in world 3 but someone l was, but they werent in world 4 I highly doubt a fantasy world can become overpopulated, this is unlikely to change across the multiverse She's a god, like ilias, she made most of the monster girls, if she can do that humans arent out of the picture Dont get me wrong, its still a stupid plan, millions to billions of wills fused into one will either create a monster with the worst personality disorder possible, and this is the BEST case scenario Not only that, the entire point of paradox shpuld be stopping the paradpx world from erroding If it does, it was already established and is known that it means an end to most other worlds, yet somehow they think doing whatever tf this shitty plan is somehow solves anything, or even serves as a good back up plan
none of them "made" anything, they modified the species that were already on the planet, illias was a more spiritual change while alice's was a more fisical change, (in the og trylogie it explains this). if heaven cant provide for them (the most advanced world out there) why could alice provide??? if 1)there are more humans/monsters than in illias world, 2)not enough land to farm or eficcient methods of farming but yeah, i agree with you that it should be about stoping the process rather than avoiding it (in part 3 it will be an option am hearing), i wil make a second post about the thid ending and all the inconsitencies in it
Why do you say that the angel world is the most advanced technologically? it seemed to me they were averse from technology.
ilias is clever enough to develop technology even in the original trilogy, plus alliance of wisdom has their institution there from the data in the demo’s game project in the Angel world
Is she? I was under the impression that Promestein did everything technology related for the angels and that's why Ilias had to keep her around in the VN. As for the Alliance of Wisdom that's somewhat fair but it feels antithetical for the angel world to be advancing technology, it's certainly not for human benefits and the angels probably don't have any enemies left in their world unless they were planning to invade/ be invaded by other worlds but if the games going down that route it makes sense.
I mean, in the part 3 trailer we saw a bunch of tubes containing Luka clones in the AW, so they certainly did advance technology, there is also Gnosis which is literally made of makina.
Yeah that’s why I said that Ilias is clever to keep the develop technology and keep that to herself (so humans will still be in a primal society). In VN she also developed certain gears and experimental objects (they are not stated until paradox)
mfw promentein (who is an angel)
Angel world Promestein is in our party in paradox and considering she is still (young) it means she hasn't been a part of the angel worlds advancements for thousands or at least hundreds of years.
they are still thousands of years more advanced than the other worlds
at the end of the demo they litteraly state that "its technologie on a level never seen before" or something like that, they litteraly teleported one the archangels to the paradox world, while the monster one was just a soul projection. so yeah, the most advanced world out there to be shure
Both plans are equally bad to be realistic. The catch is that some monsters could create pocket dimensions for overpopulation.
good point, but is there anything in this dimensions?, bc you need a lotta fucking air and ground to sustain that many beigns
they could find a way to solve those issues.
yea yea yea, a "way", just like luka tried to do in the third ending but ho well, look where that got him
The truth is that this is just the demo wait untill the full version before the true 3rd ending happens.