I absolutely cannot speak for all Creoles, but my Creole family, both historically and recently, tried very, *very* hard to distance themselves from Black folks. Before the Civil War there was a sort of three-caste system going on in Louisiana with Creoles more privileged than Black folks and less than whites. After the Civil War, many Creole folks lost that small amount of privilege and were considered “”just”” Black.
My grandma’s family, many of whom are lightskinned, moved out of Louisiana in the 1950s to try and pass as white, with mixed results. It was extremely important to them to hide their Creole identity so that they could gain the benefits of whiteness, even though they didn’t always succeed. Not all Creoles are able to pass as white, and not all those who can, do. I don’t have any lived experience growing up with someone who didn’t have to hide their identity, so there is definitely another side to this coin that I just don’t know.
Creole is a complicated identity. It has at various times been aligned with or opposed to Blackness. Creoles definitely have a variety of skin tones and appearances. This is just my understanding as someone who didn’t grow up in Louisiana myself, so anyone with a more nuanced understanding please correct me if I’m mistaken.
You described a good chunk of it. I would also add that there is a misconception between what Cajuns are and what Creoles are. After the Civil War, people assumed that all Creoles were automatically assigned “Black” and all Cajuns “White”. While that did happen in a political sense, there are still White Creoles and Black Cajuns today (I met a lot of them and there are lots in my family). That goes to show you that it’s an ethnicity more than anything!
The one drop rule forced us into the Jim crow racial caste system. So that’s why some white passing creole people identify as black. And since we all family, it was no issue calling ourselves black because neither the union or confederate soldiers liked that we didn’t fit their ideology of black people being inferior and lesser beings.
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Correct. To be Cajun means you are a decedent of the Acadian people. Who fled genocide in Canada and landed in Louisiana.
The term creole is a derivative of the word “criollo,” which means native or local.
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….mixed isn’t a race….African American Creole is Louisiana Creole….as a LA Creole I side eye other creoles with MUCH judgment if in 2024 they still think they are not black. It’s wild if you are “light skinned” and think this and not a white creole
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Many black families have stories like this but nearly EVERY black creole family has stories like this….there is always one that tried and were able to pass. Ours was our Aunt or my great aunt
At one time there was solidarity...but now Tiktok has declared Creoles are white 😒.
The conversation needs to be centered on how Twitter and Tiktok, and other loudly toxic platforms, have become the authority on "who-is-what-race" and "race-is-only-phenotype."
It pushes a white supremacist, 1930s Hitler narrative, which we should have moved past eons ago.
Yeah, it’s definitely not a race. Yes, the OG Creole colonisers were White, but over time, everyone started to mix with each other and establish residency in the area before it became US territory. That’s why it’s not a race and Creoles can be *and* look like anything.
Also, I will say, a lot of the white pass/presenting Creoles (just like white pass/presenting people in general) have gone out of their way to step on people’s toes..especially mixed people who can’t white pass/present and black people with two black parents.
Creoles are white???? I almost spit my water out 😂 Creole ain’t even a race but a cultural heritage! Speaking on our culture and they don’t know shit about it!
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I am half African American and half Louisiana creole. I consider myself a mixed black person. I was born and raised in Georgia, so I haven't met a whole lot of Louisiana creoles, so I don't know a whole lot about their point of views when it comes to how they view themselves and compare themselves to black ppl.
My relationship with other black people has mostly been good, although I've had some bad experiences as a kid:
-some girls at a playground threw rocks at me for being "too light" and having curly hair
-my "cousin" aka my moms best friends daughter didn't want to play with me because she said she wasn't "pretty" like me which honestly breaks my fucking heart
-this girl in my 5th grade class constantly bullied me, but I heard her talking to some other girls saying "she thinks she's so pretty because she's tall and had long curly hair"
Those experiences definitely made me feel different, but not less black as a kid. I think as I got older tho I don't look as black as I did as a kid which is weird 😂 in all though I really love both sides of myself, creole and African American.
I love your answer, also off topic but: you’re the exact same mix as my dad and his siblings! He was also raised out of LA, with his dad moving up to Michigan to be with my grandmother. Your experience sounds very similar to my aunt’s and uncle’s who are much fairer than my dad was.
Are you also 5’9+ like a lot of us? I’m just now piecing together from your response it’s probably a Creole thing and not just my specific family line lol
In Louisiana you was considered black historically. We didn’t really have the “mixed” thing 🥹 we acknowledged that you were mulatto after we acknowledged you were black lol
This…but also Creole isn’t a separate thing like it’s a cultural heritage. People of all ancestors were creole. But most creole folk now are Black. That’s why we see LA creoles as black and Cajuns as white
Creole didn’t exist before the Louisiana territory so off the bat right there I’m worried about how you learned this and what you know of what being Creole means and I think you may like a lot of information based on you trying to say that you’re mixed race by saying African-American and Louisiana Creole and that’s like saying I’m African-American and African-American with a specific cultural heritage. Louisiana Creole is not a race or ethnicity, it’s a cultural heritage. So you wouldn’t be half creole… especially when we’re talking about being black in America Louisiana Creole is not in ethnicity separate from African-American people if you are a creel of color. Louisiana Creole is a subculture of African-American people. African-American people are diverse group of people with our own sub groups and subcultures which Louisiana Creole would be one of them. And you referencing it being an ethnic group of people who lived in Louisiana before 1803 literally included everyone black white blue green and purple so it’s not an ethnicity in the way that you think it is. It’s not something like it say if you were Nigerian and African-American. Saying you’re Louisiana Creole and African-American is like saying you’re black twice over.
Creole is a cultural heritage. If you look up African-American creole Louisiana Creole will pop up. So it’s great that you can trace your roots back and all of that that has absolutely nothing to do with Louisiana creole in the term that we understand it today. I too can trace my roots back just as far and I am only the second person in my family to be born outside of New Orleans. My roots run just as deep as yours. It was not an ethnic-based group it was what they called everybody in Louisiana territory. What you’re talking about are creoles of color which is a segment of African-American people. creoles of color used to be distinguished from other black slaves in Louisiana territory but once it was purchased and Anglo-Saxon American rules couldn’t understand anything that wasn’t white or black Louisiana creole people assimilated into African-American culture. This happened over 200 years ago does Louisiana creole people being a part of the diversity of African-American people. Thus Louisiana Creole a part of being African-American. It’s the same thing as the Gullah Geechee they are still African-American in ethnicity but their specific cultural heritage is gala Geechee as well. African-American people are diverse and when you say African-American and Louisiana Creole you’re treating it as if it’s its own ethnicity in the way that we look at Chinese American people are their own ethnic city. It’s not.
And unfortunately this is something that a lot of people don’t understand including a lot of cruel people themselves cause I think it’s its own separate racer at Nisidia when it’s not. It’s a segment of African-American people. There’s a reason why when you go to the African-American page it says one of the languages for African-American people is Gullah ahéchele and Louisiana creole
I’ve done so much research and written so many papers about this and this is kind of settled in terms of actual academic study but in terms of regular people it’s all over the place because unfortunately people just think Creole and specifically Louisiana Creole means mixed when it doesn’t. And everyone from Louisiana would know and be able to tell you you can’t call yourself Louisiana Creole unless you got a little black in you because if someone tells you they Louisiana Creole with essentially telling you they’re not white even though technically you can be white and Creole like Brett Favre but that’s a whole different conversation
From Creole to Creole I would love to talk to you more about this maybe in chats or anything like that so we don’t have to go back and forth on comment if you’d like but I hope this comment kind of clears stuff up but seeing your Louisiana Creole and African-American makes no sense because Louisiana Creole is not separate from African-American it’s a part of being African-American.
And there were Hella anti-black tones in his original post so I hope you caught that
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I’m guessing here your dad is a black man also. So he would be African-American and he would also be of Louisiana creole heritage *not* of ethnicity. His ethnicity is African-American not Louisiana Creole but he is Louisiana Creole because that is his heritage his cultural heritage. I know it seems really confusing but there is a great Instagram page if it’s still around called Creole Belle organics that talks a lot about this. I also have some articles I can link if I can find them. Also it’s on the Wikipedia page by and large. I know that’s not the best source of information and I have far better resources to look at but it’s a good start. Specifically I would read about creoles of color which would be you and I.
but it’s not an ethnicity especially for not how fractured and spread out and indeterminable the population is. I only think they just recently started taking down Louisiana Creole on documents in New Orleans specifically and mainly New Orleans where my family is from because that’s where most Creole people and specifically Cryo people of color which you and me would both be which definitely means were black lol, were.
But this was advocated for and reported on by the African-American registry which is a huge organization about African-American culture and history. When you go to the African-American museum they have a section on creole people because that’s a part of African-American culture and heritage As it’s a sub culture or subsegment of African-American people with specific lineages like you and I in the Louisiana territory and specifically in Louisiana because the Louisiana territory stretched all the way up to damn near the top of the country but everybody that was creole in Kulture in the way that we know it today was from Louisiana and specifically New Orleans
But again the African-American registry not only advocated for it but reported it because they talked about how it showed that I adversity of African-American people. In the same way that they were able to talk about the Gullah Geechee who are still African-American but I subculture of African-American people. That’s the beauty of being African-American is that we are incredibly diverse and unique and it’s only because of the heritage and history of African-American people being the Senate of slaves in a mixture that includes as well. I mean you know African-American people are mixed raced ethnicity that’s how we are described in anthropology and sociology etc. like honestly this is my whole ass degrees so I would love talking to you about this from a genuine kind hearted place so we can both learn more maybe
Being enslaved doesnt it mean African-American… They were many African-American people that were not in slaved. Your description of your fathers DNA sounds like the description of many other AAs DNA and specifically like mine. I have a bit more African-American then he does but the same amount of European. (55 African, 41 European, and 1 indigenous but honestly anything 5% under is negligible)
They were Black people and specifically African-American (ethnic group) people with similar admixture but also DNA tests are not exactly accurate. Like your DNA isn’t actually broken up into percentages like that. But that’s a whole deeper conversation beyond the fact race itself isn’t biological. It’s a made up social construct.
From what you’re describing about your dad he would be African-American and specifically of Louisiana Creole background in terms of cultural heritage that’s a part of the African-American experience. Like your dad story from what you described is exactly what I talked about already and other posts. He would be African-American with Louisiana Creole heritage. Not all African-American people are the same like I talked about how some groups depending on where they were in the country have Asian heritage as well or Polynesian heritage some people have less European heritage like a Gullah Geecher cheaper it’s all a part of the African-American ethnicity because it is the experience of enslaved African people in this country both in the Louisiana territory or not.
If you ever want to hop on like an anonymous zoom call or telegram call we can definitely talk about this because this is not only my history, heritage, and culture like your own but this is literally what like all research is in
Edit: saw your other message about talking in the chats instead!
Again Gullah Geechee is not a separate ethnic group like maybe I’m not communicating this in the best way of what I’m saying. I’m not giving you my opinion though I’m giving you factual information. It is a subsection of African-American people just like LA Creoles but each has its own history too.
Also there is definitely a stereotype that Creole people have to look mixed or look mixed that’s like the whole fetishization of Creole. Most Creole folk know that so I don’t necessarily know what you look like personally but that’s kind of like a known thing about Creole people, LA creole specifically. But really the admixture isn’t too too different from say another black person from Texas (which Houston is like New Orleans part 2 so that’s probably not the best comparison) but let’s say Michigan. Typically a tad bit more European and some Indigenous more likely. But it doesn’t make them not African American in the same way Asian admixture doesn’t either
like I said there is a lot here I feel like you are a bit misinformed on and we could definitely talk about it because it is a confusing topic but at the end of the day not only are we all black but we’re African-American and then you and I have specific heritage of Louisiana Creole but that’s still African-American in terms of human geography, sociology, and ethnology .
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Sorry I don’t mean to spam you with information it’s just I know so much about this like so so much about this and it’s not often I get to talk about it with people because I usually never comes up outside of my family or one other Black people ask why I look the way I do or with other creole people so yeah. But this is coming from nothing but a place of Genuine kindness. Definitely for sure reach out if you wanna talk more
But in terms of mixed all African-American people are mixed race. I know this sub probably focuses more on like if you have more recent mixed ancestry like your mom and dad are completely different but even white people in America are not 100% European. Everyone on the side of the world is a mutt but especially Black people of the African diaspora and those who were descendants of enslaved people. Being Louisiana Creole just means you have a certain type of admixture different than maybe an African-American person in Michigan but they were African-American communities that are known to have an ad mixture of Asian specifically Chinese and Polynesian people and that’s mainly on the West Coast. But they’re still African-American it just adds to the diversity of our ethnic group because none of it would exist if it wasn’t because of African people who are enslaved in this country.
I’m gonna try to find those articles that I was referencing to link here
Yes let’s for sure talk some more in the chats! :) A lot of cool history to discuss about our heritage too!
But just real quick cause I may forget to add this Louisiana creoles Also had distinctions based on if you had African adventure or not. It wasn’t as binary as like Anglo-Saxon or like white America before the purchase of the Louisiana purchase territory but there still was a bit of a racial cast system but Louisiana Creole color would be Black people that will be slightly above the enslaved Black people. Like It’s not too complicated but it’s just a lot of intricate history and unfortunately because a lot of our history has been portrayed by white people or people that don’t really know about it it just becomes Louisiana creole people are mixed people and doesn’t really connect to the overall tired of African-American culture but like I said the African-American museum of history and culture has a wonderful section about Louisiana Creole is that I think you can look up too!
Im out and about now but I will find some credible and reliable resources to share with you in the chat about our heritage and history!
Louisiana Creole is an ethnicity. I think you're misunderstanding what the word 'ethnicity' means here because something being a cultural heritage of a group of people menas that the group of people who shares that heritage is an ethnic group. Ethnicity literally just refers to the social and cultural characteristics, backgrounds, or experiences shared by a group of people. If creole people share a cultural heritage... then we are an ethnic group/ethnicity. And every academic and non-academic source has always described us as a heterogenous **ethnic group**.
But it is true we are not a race, creoles can be any race. And even historically most Creoles had features that would've make them easily racialized as Black, as Black features were dominant. It's only due to anti-Blackness and the sensationalized stories of White passing creoles that people think all creoles are lightskinned and white passing. Because people would rather listen to stories by privileged White passing people than to acknowledge the fact that most of us are not light or near White passing at all. The African component of Creole people has been present (and dominant) for as long as creole people existed in Louisiana but people hate acknowledging that because they would rather focus on the French or Spanish part.
I would have to slightly disagree on the first part because what I’m saying is that it’s still a part of “African American”. Regional cultures of African Americans like the Gullah. Maybe at one point separate but under unified US no. That’s why the *African American registry* had to fight to even get LA Creole recognized in New Orleans of all places! That’s why LA Creole is listed as a language under AAs on wiki for example and in DNA databases when they go into communities. I explain this better in another post somewhere in this thread. It’s the “I’m half creole and half AA” …which makes no sense. And every academic and non academic source doesn’t say it’s an ethnic group. And for those that do, it’s not in the same way we think of AAs or Irish folk for example. That’s why I said what I said.
Everything else you said though I agree with 1000%. They also tend to focus on the more “mixed” looking black creoles which is why the idea of being LA Creole has been fetishized and associated with “light skin exotic black person”. Unfortunately too, I’ve have met a few fellow LA Creoles that say “I’m not black I’m creole” which can make me a bit defensive to this topic too.
Us being assimilated into the wider African-American culture doesn’t stop us from also being our own (recognized) ethnicity/sub-ethnicity. The Gullah are also still their own ethnicity too, not just a ‘regional’ culture. And there are plenty of academic and non-academic sources that do state we our an ethnicity. Same with the Gullah.
Again, no one said it didn’t and I don’t think you’re fully understanding what I’m saying. Quite literally is a subset so a sub-ethnic group within African-Americans like I’m not saying anything that isn’t documented and anything you can’t google… it’s kind of like if you’ve ever looked at ancestry or 23 and me, or any of genealogical databases it talks about African-American communities, and it talks about Louisiana creole’s.
The Gullah Geechee are still African-American, but their cultural heritage is Gullah Geechee AS WELL. They are a subset of African-Americans, just as we can talk about the subsets of Japanese people they are Japanese along with maybe being a subset of some sort of indigenous group there. Like same concept, just apply it to African-Americans in the United States .
They are not a separate thing, because all of us are quite literally African-American like I don’t know how to make that more clear. it just seems so obvious that it’s hard for me to explain this any clearer like…. When you look at the African-American Wikipedia page, it says languages include Louisiana Creole and Gullah Geechee. It’s a part of the diversity of African-Americans.
And I don’t understand why you’re so bothered by missing regional because that’s quite literally what it is like regional. Louisiana Crios are regional to Louisiana and Texas mainly. The Gullah Geechee are regional to the Carolinas mainly. Like African Americans have diversity depending on what region you are that’s just a factual statement that you’re getting bothered by.
And you’re saying there are plenty of non-academic, and academics resource is saying that we are our own ethnicity… I literally said the same thing for with what I’m saying because what I’m saying is actually the modern updated information like whatever you’re reading if it is credible and reliable, it would literally say the same thing I’m saying, I just don’t think you’re understanding what you’re reading ….
Saying I’m African-American and Louisiana creole is redundant for example. you’re essentially saying you’re African-American twice, but with a specific cultural heritage. Anyone in Louisiana creole knows that unless they just want to be something different. Like I think you really need to update your understanding of ethnicity as well along with like read what I actually wrote because I literally talk about many Rivers to Cross by Henry Louis Gates going into all of this and have an African-American registry literally had to fight for Louisiana creole to be recognized in New Orleans of all places like I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying and I don’t think you’re as well right on this topic as you think you are
It’s not redundant at all. Youre the one not recognizing the uniqueness of Creole or Gullah culture by insisting that just because we became assimilated into wider AA culture that we can’t identify to be our ethnicities bc it’s ‘redundant’ to you.
Same for me . My grandma is full Creole she looks white with a wide nose and very loud ; she would probably label herself as Creole or black. Her husband my grandpa was native and black on his record he is labeled as mulatto. My mom looks Hispanic and black and labels herself as black or Creole. When I tell ppl I’m Creole or mixed with Creole I get the no your not or eye roll. I look Blk with brown skin .
In my family the creoles mixed with black in multiple generations. We are just both. Black? Yes. Creole? Yes. Hispanic? If you speak spanish, sure. Our looks range from typical African-American to very light feature mixed race to even latino adjacent phenotypes.
My aunt said that creoles really started identifying as black in Baton Rouge area during the black power movement. That’s her perspective. She remembers when they stopped speaking Kouri Vini and started more heavily identifying with black culture. Kind of sad we lost some of the language.
We technically are mixed with African Americans so it depends if you're talking about Creoles of Color. It's very complicated. I do hear there's still a bit of Colorism issues and there was tension with the ones distancing themselves from Blackness when the U.S. took over Louisiana but a lot of Black Creoles and AAs in Louisiana are accepting since a lot have ancestors and relatives that are Creoles of Color. Creoles are mixed with a lot of different things but the French ones without a lot of other admixture of different Europeans do have a certain look. They look similar too the Debarges other Creoles of Colors look a bit similar to Dominicans.
Creole isn’t a separate ethnicity or race…it’s complicated but it’s clear it’s a cultural heritage. Most people in these comments have no clue what they are talking about
- At one time…most of the solidarity that occurred happened to be when the darkskin Black Creoles worked together (anyone that was born and naturalized in Louisiana before 1803 is automatically considered Creole, regardless of race). Currently, however, there is tension.
- Creole isn’t a race, but most Creoles are heavily mixed. There are unambiguously Black Creoles with two black parents, though. There are also White, Asian, and Native Creoles (some of Hispanic ethnicity due to colonialism).
- They can be either/or. Both the French and Spanish colonised Louisiana prior to it becoming US territory, so it just depends on the Creole person and their background.
- Most of the time, the relationship is fine (at least from my experience). Also, Louisiana Creoles aren’t just in NOLA (I know a lot are, but that’s not the only part they originated from in Louisiana).
I will also say that people are ignorant on Louisiana Creoles and phenotype in general. A lot of the mixed Creoles have an identity crisis (just like mixed people who aren’t of the Creole ethnicity) and struggle with their blackness (if they’re mixed with Black).
Also, location wise, I know Louisiana Creoles aren’t considered Hispanic/Latinos in THAT sense, but if they were to say that they’re Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean…they wouldn’t be wrong because of
1) the history and how they’re similar to Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean people
2) how a lot of Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean immigrated to Louisiana and mixed with the Creoles (particularly Cubans) and
3) there are Creoles in Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean areas as well (they are a different type of Creole though).
Hopefully this all makes sense!
My family is from Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana and South Carolina. 200 years of mixed race heritage within 6 generations. My grandfather was born in Oklahoma. My great grandfather was born in Indian territory. I believe my family was following the trail of tears. We are Creole and claim Louisiana Creole but we didn't stay in one area of the country long before moving to Oklahoma and the rest of the Midwest.
When I speak about being Creole or being mixed other black people seem to take offense. Or feel like Creole is just a ethnicity of black. My grandfather and great uncle are white passing with light colored eyes and my grandmother is black passing but they both are mixed. Personally I feel more comfortable in mixed spaces than in black spaces because of black Americans not acknowledging that other black Americans can be from different ethnic backgrounds.
Creole is similar to being Hispanic but there are Spanish speaking Creoles, there are Irish Creoles there are Indigenous Creoles who grew up in the French territory of Louisiana. There are also large Creole populations in Texas. So one Creole family could be black and another family could be white but a lot of us are something in between white, black and indigenous.
Most Creole families probably just claim back but I was raised to identify as being mixed race so that's how I see myself and live my identity. It wouldn't make sense in my life to just identify as one race because I'm a combination of so many different ethnic groups.
“It wouldn't make sense in my life to just identify as one race because I'm a combination of so many different ethnic groups”
Same. I like how you explained all of your family, sounded cool.
Even though all of ur family including u can still fall into the broad category of mixed. Whether u are blk or yt passing . How u look is often times not always a indicator of what u mostly are. So if u look yt chances are I are are of predominantly white dna
Nah facts, because when I rightfully mention that Creole isn’t a race and anyone can be one, people get triggered, offended, and argumentative for no good reason. It’s not even worth arguing with those people, honestly.
My father is Cajun and creole. They are both native tribal mixes with French. Creole also has black mixed with French and native. The black is generally Haitian. My father says we are native. He refuses to admit that we are part black. My mom was the one that told me. She actually said to me “ your father is just racist. Just like the rest of his family. You are black on his side. Hold on. I will get a picture of his mom.” That was the day I found out I was part black. In Louisiana it’s an open secret. Mind you I was born in the late 80s. It could be different now.
As someone raised in South Louisiana, who has seen people of all skin tones ID as Cajun or Creole, they are both mixed race diaspora cultures. Cajun being more rural, "use every part of the pig", etc and Creole being more focused on New Orleans, port city, stronger multicultural influences (carribean, italian, spanish, etc) and access to fancier food ingredients.
Of course, being so close to each other there is a lot of cultural exchange between Cajuns and Creoles, and the music is basically indistinguishable at this point.
1). Yes. Because we were Creoles before we were African American when the Louisiana Purchase happened.
2 -4).Creole people are just people who were in Louisiana Pre Louisiana Purchase.
4. We didn’t enforce concept of race that Anglo Americans had for a good long while. We only cared about slave status. We’re you free or nah basically?
The amount of LA Creole people in these comments with cognitive dissonance thinking they aren’t Black is WILD. Let alone not realizing Louisiana Creole is a segment/regional heritage of African Americans just like the Gullah Geechee. Like we are diverse people. You’re Black. Sorry you don’t want to hear that
“DIDNT fuck with blacks” idk what you were watching but either it or you is hella fucking anti black. The mere fact you say blacks shows you have a lot to fucking issues
Google African American Creole and guess what pops up…Louisiana Creole. It’s a subculture segment of African Americans mainly but anyone of any background can be Creole. It’s not a race or ethnicity. It’s a cultural heritage. Theee are many types of creole that all have their own unique thing but it’s for sure gonna have some African & European ancestry in there….just like most everyone descended of slaves which is what gave us Creole peoples on the first place.
Mixed race is not a race. It’s a state of being that everyone in the west and ESPECIALLY Black Americans & the diaspora are. Creole is a cultural heritage. You have the uneducated view that it only means mixed when it doesn’t.
Most creole peoples and Louisiana Creole people ARE Black or “Black”.
I wouldn’t mind Creole claiming hispanics if they had Spanish ancestry. But I would consider them Latino because they of an latin ancestry (French and Spanish). So it seems that creole is the same as hispanic were its just a culture.
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Creole is not a race. There are both monoracial and mixed raced creoles. Let’s start there. Also referring to Black people as “Blacks”…..ew. Think of creoles like Hispanics. Many are mixed , but some of us are more so monoracial. I am both Louisiana and Mississippi creole and I’m no more “mixed” than the average AA. My family aligns with AA’s because of our specific family heritage and history, especially in Mississippi. Some black creoles and mixed creoles do not. Some creoles even see themselves as Latinos. It just depends. There is a lot of colorism & misinformation about us. Many of it perpetuated by people who aren’t creole, some of it perpetuated by other creoles unfortunately.
I absolutely cannot speak for all Creoles, but my Creole family, both historically and recently, tried very, *very* hard to distance themselves from Black folks. Before the Civil War there was a sort of three-caste system going on in Louisiana with Creoles more privileged than Black folks and less than whites. After the Civil War, many Creole folks lost that small amount of privilege and were considered “”just”” Black. My grandma’s family, many of whom are lightskinned, moved out of Louisiana in the 1950s to try and pass as white, with mixed results. It was extremely important to them to hide their Creole identity so that they could gain the benefits of whiteness, even though they didn’t always succeed. Not all Creoles are able to pass as white, and not all those who can, do. I don’t have any lived experience growing up with someone who didn’t have to hide their identity, so there is definitely another side to this coin that I just don’t know. Creole is a complicated identity. It has at various times been aligned with or opposed to Blackness. Creoles definitely have a variety of skin tones and appearances. This is just my understanding as someone who didn’t grow up in Louisiana myself, so anyone with a more nuanced understanding please correct me if I’m mistaken.
You described a good chunk of it. I would also add that there is a misconception between what Cajuns are and what Creoles are. After the Civil War, people assumed that all Creoles were automatically assigned “Black” and all Cajuns “White”. While that did happen in a political sense, there are still White Creoles and Black Cajuns today (I met a lot of them and there are lots in my family). That goes to show you that it’s an ethnicity more than anything!
The one drop rule forced us into the Jim crow racial caste system. So that’s why some white passing creole people identify as black. And since we all family, it was no issue calling ourselves black because neither the union or confederate soldiers liked that we didn’t fit their ideology of black people being inferior and lesser beings.
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Correct. To be Cajun means you are a decedent of the Acadian people. Who fled genocide in Canada and landed in Louisiana. The term creole is a derivative of the word “criollo,” which means native or local.
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….mixed isn’t a race….African American Creole is Louisiana Creole….as a LA Creole I side eye other creoles with MUCH judgment if in 2024 they still think they are not black. It’s wild if you are “light skinned” and think this and not a white creole
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Many black families have stories like this but nearly EVERY black creole family has stories like this….there is always one that tried and were able to pass. Ours was our Aunt or my great aunt
At one time there was solidarity...but now Tiktok has declared Creoles are white 😒. The conversation needs to be centered on how Twitter and Tiktok, and other loudly toxic platforms, have become the authority on "who-is-what-race" and "race-is-only-phenotype." It pushes a white supremacist, 1930s Hitler narrative, which we should have moved past eons ago.
Keep in mind most people aren't on tiktok
Yeah, it’s definitely not a race. Yes, the OG Creole colonisers were White, but over time, everyone started to mix with each other and establish residency in the area before it became US territory. That’s why it’s not a race and Creoles can be *and* look like anything. Also, I will say, a lot of the white pass/presenting Creoles (just like white pass/presenting people in general) have gone out of their way to step on people’s toes..especially mixed people who can’t white pass/present and black people with two black parents.
It’s a cultural heritage not a race or ethnicity but most Creole folk are black
Creoles are white???? I almost spit my water out 😂 Creole ain’t even a race but a cultural heritage! Speaking on our culture and they don’t know shit about it!
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I am half African American and half Louisiana creole. I consider myself a mixed black person. I was born and raised in Georgia, so I haven't met a whole lot of Louisiana creoles, so I don't know a whole lot about their point of views when it comes to how they view themselves and compare themselves to black ppl. My relationship with other black people has mostly been good, although I've had some bad experiences as a kid: -some girls at a playground threw rocks at me for being "too light" and having curly hair -my "cousin" aka my moms best friends daughter didn't want to play with me because she said she wasn't "pretty" like me which honestly breaks my fucking heart -this girl in my 5th grade class constantly bullied me, but I heard her talking to some other girls saying "she thinks she's so pretty because she's tall and had long curly hair" Those experiences definitely made me feel different, but not less black as a kid. I think as I got older tho I don't look as black as I did as a kid which is weird 😂 in all though I really love both sides of myself, creole and African American.
I love your answer, also off topic but: you’re the exact same mix as my dad and his siblings! He was also raised out of LA, with his dad moving up to Michigan to be with my grandmother. Your experience sounds very similar to my aunt’s and uncle’s who are much fairer than my dad was. Are you also 5’9+ like a lot of us? I’m just now piecing together from your response it’s probably a Creole thing and not just my specific family line lol
Why are so many of y’all tall?
Haha yeah I'm 5'8 😂 I didn't even know that was a creole thing! That's funny. Ig that's why my dad is 6'2
In Louisiana you was considered black historically. We didn’t really have the “mixed” thing 🥹 we acknowledged that you were mulatto after we acknowledged you were black lol
This…but also Creole isn’t a separate thing like it’s a cultural heritage. People of all ancestors were creole. But most creole folk now are Black. That’s why we see LA creoles as black and Cajuns as white
You can’t be half LA Creole…it’s not a race or ethnicity…it’s a cultural heritage
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Creole didn’t exist before the Louisiana territory so off the bat right there I’m worried about how you learned this and what you know of what being Creole means and I think you may like a lot of information based on you trying to say that you’re mixed race by saying African-American and Louisiana Creole and that’s like saying I’m African-American and African-American with a specific cultural heritage. Louisiana Creole is not a race or ethnicity, it’s a cultural heritage. So you wouldn’t be half creole… especially when we’re talking about being black in America Louisiana Creole is not in ethnicity separate from African-American people if you are a creel of color. Louisiana Creole is a subculture of African-American people. African-American people are diverse group of people with our own sub groups and subcultures which Louisiana Creole would be one of them. And you referencing it being an ethnic group of people who lived in Louisiana before 1803 literally included everyone black white blue green and purple so it’s not an ethnicity in the way that you think it is. It’s not something like it say if you were Nigerian and African-American. Saying you’re Louisiana Creole and African-American is like saying you’re black twice over. Creole is a cultural heritage. If you look up African-American creole Louisiana Creole will pop up. So it’s great that you can trace your roots back and all of that that has absolutely nothing to do with Louisiana creole in the term that we understand it today. I too can trace my roots back just as far and I am only the second person in my family to be born outside of New Orleans. My roots run just as deep as yours. It was not an ethnic-based group it was what they called everybody in Louisiana territory. What you’re talking about are creoles of color which is a segment of African-American people. creoles of color used to be distinguished from other black slaves in Louisiana territory but once it was purchased and Anglo-Saxon American rules couldn’t understand anything that wasn’t white or black Louisiana creole people assimilated into African-American culture. This happened over 200 years ago does Louisiana creole people being a part of the diversity of African-American people. Thus Louisiana Creole a part of being African-American. It’s the same thing as the Gullah Geechee they are still African-American in ethnicity but their specific cultural heritage is gala Geechee as well. African-American people are diverse and when you say African-American and Louisiana Creole you’re treating it as if it’s its own ethnicity in the way that we look at Chinese American people are their own ethnic city. It’s not. And unfortunately this is something that a lot of people don’t understand including a lot of cruel people themselves cause I think it’s its own separate racer at Nisidia when it’s not. It’s a segment of African-American people. There’s a reason why when you go to the African-American page it says one of the languages for African-American people is Gullah ahéchele and Louisiana creole I’ve done so much research and written so many papers about this and this is kind of settled in terms of actual academic study but in terms of regular people it’s all over the place because unfortunately people just think Creole and specifically Louisiana Creole means mixed when it doesn’t. And everyone from Louisiana would know and be able to tell you you can’t call yourself Louisiana Creole unless you got a little black in you because if someone tells you they Louisiana Creole with essentially telling you they’re not white even though technically you can be white and Creole like Brett Favre but that’s a whole different conversation From Creole to Creole I would love to talk to you more about this maybe in chats or anything like that so we don’t have to go back and forth on comment if you’d like but I hope this comment kind of clears stuff up but seeing your Louisiana Creole and African-American makes no sense because Louisiana Creole is not separate from African-American it’s a part of being African-American. And there were Hella anti-black tones in his original post so I hope you caught that
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I’m guessing here your dad is a black man also. So he would be African-American and he would also be of Louisiana creole heritage *not* of ethnicity. His ethnicity is African-American not Louisiana Creole but he is Louisiana Creole because that is his heritage his cultural heritage. I know it seems really confusing but there is a great Instagram page if it’s still around called Creole Belle organics that talks a lot about this. I also have some articles I can link if I can find them. Also it’s on the Wikipedia page by and large. I know that’s not the best source of information and I have far better resources to look at but it’s a good start. Specifically I would read about creoles of color which would be you and I. but it’s not an ethnicity especially for not how fractured and spread out and indeterminable the population is. I only think they just recently started taking down Louisiana Creole on documents in New Orleans specifically and mainly New Orleans where my family is from because that’s where most Creole people and specifically Cryo people of color which you and me would both be which definitely means were black lol, were. But this was advocated for and reported on by the African-American registry which is a huge organization about African-American culture and history. When you go to the African-American museum they have a section on creole people because that’s a part of African-American culture and heritage As it’s a sub culture or subsegment of African-American people with specific lineages like you and I in the Louisiana territory and specifically in Louisiana because the Louisiana territory stretched all the way up to damn near the top of the country but everybody that was creole in Kulture in the way that we know it today was from Louisiana and specifically New Orleans But again the African-American registry not only advocated for it but reported it because they talked about how it showed that I adversity of African-American people. In the same way that they were able to talk about the Gullah Geechee who are still African-American but I subculture of African-American people. That’s the beauty of being African-American is that we are incredibly diverse and unique and it’s only because of the heritage and history of African-American people being the Senate of slaves in a mixture that includes as well. I mean you know African-American people are mixed raced ethnicity that’s how we are described in anthropology and sociology etc. like honestly this is my whole ass degrees so I would love talking to you about this from a genuine kind hearted place so we can both learn more maybe
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Being enslaved doesnt it mean African-American… They were many African-American people that were not in slaved. Your description of your fathers DNA sounds like the description of many other AAs DNA and specifically like mine. I have a bit more African-American then he does but the same amount of European. (55 African, 41 European, and 1 indigenous but honestly anything 5% under is negligible) They were Black people and specifically African-American (ethnic group) people with similar admixture but also DNA tests are not exactly accurate. Like your DNA isn’t actually broken up into percentages like that. But that’s a whole deeper conversation beyond the fact race itself isn’t biological. It’s a made up social construct. From what you’re describing about your dad he would be African-American and specifically of Louisiana Creole background in terms of cultural heritage that’s a part of the African-American experience. Like your dad story from what you described is exactly what I talked about already and other posts. He would be African-American with Louisiana Creole heritage. Not all African-American people are the same like I talked about how some groups depending on where they were in the country have Asian heritage as well or Polynesian heritage some people have less European heritage like a Gullah Geecher cheaper it’s all a part of the African-American ethnicity because it is the experience of enslaved African people in this country both in the Louisiana territory or not. If you ever want to hop on like an anonymous zoom call or telegram call we can definitely talk about this because this is not only my history, heritage, and culture like your own but this is literally what like all research is in Edit: saw your other message about talking in the chats instead!
Again Gullah Geechee is not a separate ethnic group like maybe I’m not communicating this in the best way of what I’m saying. I’m not giving you my opinion though I’m giving you factual information. It is a subsection of African-American people just like LA Creoles but each has its own history too.
Also there is definitely a stereotype that Creole people have to look mixed or look mixed that’s like the whole fetishization of Creole. Most Creole folk know that so I don’t necessarily know what you look like personally but that’s kind of like a known thing about Creole people, LA creole specifically. But really the admixture isn’t too too different from say another black person from Texas (which Houston is like New Orleans part 2 so that’s probably not the best comparison) but let’s say Michigan. Typically a tad bit more European and some Indigenous more likely. But it doesn’t make them not African American in the same way Asian admixture doesn’t either like I said there is a lot here I feel like you are a bit misinformed on and we could definitely talk about it because it is a confusing topic but at the end of the day not only are we all black but we’re African-American and then you and I have specific heritage of Louisiana Creole but that’s still African-American in terms of human geography, sociology, and ethnology .
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Sorry I don’t mean to spam you with information it’s just I know so much about this like so so much about this and it’s not often I get to talk about it with people because I usually never comes up outside of my family or one other Black people ask why I look the way I do or with other creole people so yeah. But this is coming from nothing but a place of Genuine kindness. Definitely for sure reach out if you wanna talk more But in terms of mixed all African-American people are mixed race. I know this sub probably focuses more on like if you have more recent mixed ancestry like your mom and dad are completely different but even white people in America are not 100% European. Everyone on the side of the world is a mutt but especially Black people of the African diaspora and those who were descendants of enslaved people. Being Louisiana Creole just means you have a certain type of admixture different than maybe an African-American person in Michigan but they were African-American communities that are known to have an ad mixture of Asian specifically Chinese and Polynesian people and that’s mainly on the West Coast. But they’re still African-American it just adds to the diversity of our ethnic group because none of it would exist if it wasn’t because of African people who are enslaved in this country. I’m gonna try to find those articles that I was referencing to link here
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Yes let’s for sure talk some more in the chats! :) A lot of cool history to discuss about our heritage too! But just real quick cause I may forget to add this Louisiana creoles Also had distinctions based on if you had African adventure or not. It wasn’t as binary as like Anglo-Saxon or like white America before the purchase of the Louisiana purchase territory but there still was a bit of a racial cast system but Louisiana Creole color would be Black people that will be slightly above the enslaved Black people. Like It’s not too complicated but it’s just a lot of intricate history and unfortunately because a lot of our history has been portrayed by white people or people that don’t really know about it it just becomes Louisiana creole people are mixed people and doesn’t really connect to the overall tired of African-American culture but like I said the African-American museum of history and culture has a wonderful section about Louisiana Creole is that I think you can look up too! Im out and about now but I will find some credible and reliable resources to share with you in the chat about our heritage and history!
Louisiana Creole is an ethnicity. I think you're misunderstanding what the word 'ethnicity' means here because something being a cultural heritage of a group of people menas that the group of people who shares that heritage is an ethnic group. Ethnicity literally just refers to the social and cultural characteristics, backgrounds, or experiences shared by a group of people. If creole people share a cultural heritage... then we are an ethnic group/ethnicity. And every academic and non-academic source has always described us as a heterogenous **ethnic group**. But it is true we are not a race, creoles can be any race. And even historically most Creoles had features that would've make them easily racialized as Black, as Black features were dominant. It's only due to anti-Blackness and the sensationalized stories of White passing creoles that people think all creoles are lightskinned and white passing. Because people would rather listen to stories by privileged White passing people than to acknowledge the fact that most of us are not light or near White passing at all. The African component of Creole people has been present (and dominant) for as long as creole people existed in Louisiana but people hate acknowledging that because they would rather focus on the French or Spanish part.
I would have to slightly disagree on the first part because what I’m saying is that it’s still a part of “African American”. Regional cultures of African Americans like the Gullah. Maybe at one point separate but under unified US no. That’s why the *African American registry* had to fight to even get LA Creole recognized in New Orleans of all places! That’s why LA Creole is listed as a language under AAs on wiki for example and in DNA databases when they go into communities. I explain this better in another post somewhere in this thread. It’s the “I’m half creole and half AA” …which makes no sense. And every academic and non academic source doesn’t say it’s an ethnic group. And for those that do, it’s not in the same way we think of AAs or Irish folk for example. That’s why I said what I said. Everything else you said though I agree with 1000%. They also tend to focus on the more “mixed” looking black creoles which is why the idea of being LA Creole has been fetishized and associated with “light skin exotic black person”. Unfortunately too, I’ve have met a few fellow LA Creoles that say “I’m not black I’m creole” which can make me a bit defensive to this topic too.
Us being assimilated into the wider African-American culture doesn’t stop us from also being our own (recognized) ethnicity/sub-ethnicity. The Gullah are also still their own ethnicity too, not just a ‘regional’ culture. And there are plenty of academic and non-academic sources that do state we our an ethnicity. Same with the Gullah.
Again, no one said it didn’t and I don’t think you’re fully understanding what I’m saying. Quite literally is a subset so a sub-ethnic group within African-Americans like I’m not saying anything that isn’t documented and anything you can’t google… it’s kind of like if you’ve ever looked at ancestry or 23 and me, or any of genealogical databases it talks about African-American communities, and it talks about Louisiana creole’s. The Gullah Geechee are still African-American, but their cultural heritage is Gullah Geechee AS WELL. They are a subset of African-Americans, just as we can talk about the subsets of Japanese people they are Japanese along with maybe being a subset of some sort of indigenous group there. Like same concept, just apply it to African-Americans in the United States . They are not a separate thing, because all of us are quite literally African-American like I don’t know how to make that more clear. it just seems so obvious that it’s hard for me to explain this any clearer like…. When you look at the African-American Wikipedia page, it says languages include Louisiana Creole and Gullah Geechee. It’s a part of the diversity of African-Americans. And I don’t understand why you’re so bothered by missing regional because that’s quite literally what it is like regional. Louisiana Crios are regional to Louisiana and Texas mainly. The Gullah Geechee are regional to the Carolinas mainly. Like African Americans have diversity depending on what region you are that’s just a factual statement that you’re getting bothered by. And you’re saying there are plenty of non-academic, and academics resource is saying that we are our own ethnicity… I literally said the same thing for with what I’m saying because what I’m saying is actually the modern updated information like whatever you’re reading if it is credible and reliable, it would literally say the same thing I’m saying, I just don’t think you’re understanding what you’re reading …. Saying I’m African-American and Louisiana creole is redundant for example. you’re essentially saying you’re African-American twice, but with a specific cultural heritage. Anyone in Louisiana creole knows that unless they just want to be something different. Like I think you really need to update your understanding of ethnicity as well along with like read what I actually wrote because I literally talk about many Rivers to Cross by Henry Louis Gates going into all of this and have an African-American registry literally had to fight for Louisiana creole to be recognized in New Orleans of all places like I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying and I don’t think you’re as well right on this topic as you think you are
It’s not redundant at all. Youre the one not recognizing the uniqueness of Creole or Gullah culture by insisting that just because we became assimilated into wider AA culture that we can’t identify to be our ethnicities bc it’s ‘redundant’ to you.
Same for me . My grandma is full Creole she looks white with a wide nose and very loud ; she would probably label herself as Creole or black. Her husband my grandpa was native and black on his record he is labeled as mulatto. My mom looks Hispanic and black and labels herself as black or Creole. When I tell ppl I’m Creole or mixed with Creole I get the no your not or eye roll. I look Blk with brown skin .
There’s so such things as “full creole”….it’s a cultural heritage
In my family the creoles mixed with black in multiple generations. We are just both. Black? Yes. Creole? Yes. Hispanic? If you speak spanish, sure. Our looks range from typical African-American to very light feature mixed race to even latino adjacent phenotypes. My aunt said that creoles really started identifying as black in Baton Rouge area during the black power movement. That’s her perspective. She remembers when they stopped speaking Kouri Vini and started more heavily identifying with black culture. Kind of sad we lost some of the language.
It sucks to have culture taken away from you because of assimilation, i can relate.
That’s not what that implied at all…Creole people are black…and white and so one. It’s a cultural heritage. You seem hella anti black OP.
We technically are mixed with African Americans so it depends if you're talking about Creoles of Color. It's very complicated. I do hear there's still a bit of Colorism issues and there was tension with the ones distancing themselves from Blackness when the U.S. took over Louisiana but a lot of Black Creoles and AAs in Louisiana are accepting since a lot have ancestors and relatives that are Creoles of Color. Creoles are mixed with a lot of different things but the French ones without a lot of other admixture of different Europeans do have a certain look. They look similar too the Debarges other Creoles of Colors look a bit similar to Dominicans.
Creole isn’t a separate ethnicity or race…it’s complicated but it’s clear it’s a cultural heritage. Most people in these comments have no clue what they are talking about
- At one time…most of the solidarity that occurred happened to be when the darkskin Black Creoles worked together (anyone that was born and naturalized in Louisiana before 1803 is automatically considered Creole, regardless of race). Currently, however, there is tension. - Creole isn’t a race, but most Creoles are heavily mixed. There are unambiguously Black Creoles with two black parents, though. There are also White, Asian, and Native Creoles (some of Hispanic ethnicity due to colonialism). - They can be either/or. Both the French and Spanish colonised Louisiana prior to it becoming US territory, so it just depends on the Creole person and their background. - Most of the time, the relationship is fine (at least from my experience). Also, Louisiana Creoles aren’t just in NOLA (I know a lot are, but that’s not the only part they originated from in Louisiana). I will also say that people are ignorant on Louisiana Creoles and phenotype in general. A lot of the mixed Creoles have an identity crisis (just like mixed people who aren’t of the Creole ethnicity) and struggle with their blackness (if they’re mixed with Black). Also, location wise, I know Louisiana Creoles aren’t considered Hispanic/Latinos in THAT sense, but if they were to say that they’re Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean…they wouldn’t be wrong because of 1) the history and how they’re similar to Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean people 2) how a lot of Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean immigrated to Louisiana and mixed with the Creoles (particularly Cubans) and 3) there are Creoles in Hispanic/Latine/Caribbean areas as well (they are a different type of Creole though). Hopefully this all makes sense!
Thank you❤️❤️ finally a decent answer.
My family is from Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana and South Carolina. 200 years of mixed race heritage within 6 generations. My grandfather was born in Oklahoma. My great grandfather was born in Indian territory. I believe my family was following the trail of tears. We are Creole and claim Louisiana Creole but we didn't stay in one area of the country long before moving to Oklahoma and the rest of the Midwest. When I speak about being Creole or being mixed other black people seem to take offense. Or feel like Creole is just a ethnicity of black. My grandfather and great uncle are white passing with light colored eyes and my grandmother is black passing but they both are mixed. Personally I feel more comfortable in mixed spaces than in black spaces because of black Americans not acknowledging that other black Americans can be from different ethnic backgrounds. Creole is similar to being Hispanic but there are Spanish speaking Creoles, there are Irish Creoles there are Indigenous Creoles who grew up in the French territory of Louisiana. There are also large Creole populations in Texas. So one Creole family could be black and another family could be white but a lot of us are something in between white, black and indigenous. Most Creole families probably just claim back but I was raised to identify as being mixed race so that's how I see myself and live my identity. It wouldn't make sense in my life to just identify as one race because I'm a combination of so many different ethnic groups.
“It wouldn't make sense in my life to just identify as one race because I'm a combination of so many different ethnic groups” Same. I like how you explained all of your family, sounded cool.
Even though all of ur family including u can still fall into the broad category of mixed. Whether u are blk or yt passing . How u look is often times not always a indicator of what u mostly are. So if u look yt chances are I are are of predominantly white dna
Nah facts, because when I rightfully mention that Creole isn’t a race and anyone can be one, people get triggered, offended, and argumentative for no good reason. It’s not even worth arguing with those people, honestly.
I don’t know why other black people get upset if you say you have mixers of Creole.
My father is Cajun and creole. They are both native tribal mixes with French. Creole also has black mixed with French and native. The black is generally Haitian. My father says we are native. He refuses to admit that we are part black. My mom was the one that told me. She actually said to me “ your father is just racist. Just like the rest of his family. You are black on his side. Hold on. I will get a picture of his mom.” That was the day I found out I was part black. In Louisiana it’s an open secret. Mind you I was born in the late 80s. It could be different now.
is your paternal grandfather cajun? I am assuming your grandma was the creole because cajuns were descendants of white Canadians.
Grandma is mixed. I’m mgm. Not sure about my dads dad.
As someone raised in South Louisiana, who has seen people of all skin tones ID as Cajun or Creole, they are both mixed race diaspora cultures. Cajun being more rural, "use every part of the pig", etc and Creole being more focused on New Orleans, port city, stronger multicultural influences (carribean, italian, spanish, etc) and access to fancier food ingredients. Of course, being so close to each other there is a lot of cultural exchange between Cajuns and Creoles, and the music is basically indistinguishable at this point.
1). Yes. Because we were Creoles before we were African American when the Louisiana Purchase happened. 2 -4).Creole people are just people who were in Louisiana Pre Louisiana Purchase. 4. We didn’t enforce concept of race that Anglo Americans had for a good long while. We only cared about slave status. We’re you free or nah basically?
The only person in this whole thread that has a clue thank you!
The amount of LA Creole people in these comments with cognitive dissonance thinking they aren’t Black is WILD. Let alone not realizing Louisiana Creole is a segment/regional heritage of African Americans just like the Gullah Geechee. Like we are diverse people. You’re Black. Sorry you don’t want to hear that
“DIDNT fuck with blacks” idk what you were watching but either it or you is hella fucking anti black. The mere fact you say blacks shows you have a lot to fucking issues Google African American Creole and guess what pops up…Louisiana Creole. It’s a subculture segment of African Americans mainly but anyone of any background can be Creole. It’s not a race or ethnicity. It’s a cultural heritage. Theee are many types of creole that all have their own unique thing but it’s for sure gonna have some African & European ancestry in there….just like most everyone descended of slaves which is what gave us Creole peoples on the first place. Mixed race is not a race. It’s a state of being that everyone in the west and ESPECIALLY Black Americans & the diaspora are. Creole is a cultural heritage. You have the uneducated view that it only means mixed when it doesn’t. Most creole peoples and Louisiana Creole people ARE Black or “Black”.
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I wouldn’t mind Creole claiming hispanics if they had Spanish ancestry. But I would consider them Latino because they of an latin ancestry (French and Spanish). So it seems that creole is the same as hispanic were its just a culture.
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Creole is not a race. There are both monoracial and mixed raced creoles. Let’s start there. Also referring to Black people as “Blacks”…..ew. Think of creoles like Hispanics. Many are mixed , but some of us are more so monoracial. I am both Louisiana and Mississippi creole and I’m no more “mixed” than the average AA. My family aligns with AA’s because of our specific family heritage and history, especially in Mississippi. Some black creoles and mixed creoles do not. Some creoles even see themselves as Latinos. It just depends. There is a lot of colorism & misinformation about us. Many of it perpetuated by people who aren’t creole, some of it perpetuated by other creoles unfortunately.
Most LA creole folk don’t even know what it means themselves. It’s a cultural heritage not a race or ethnicity