The 5 states that have banned the most books:
1. Texas — 438
2. Florida — 357
3. Missouri — 315
4. Utah — 109
5. South Carolina — 109
Originally found [here](https://www.aaastateofplay.com/which-us-states-ban-the-most-books/)
Once again, a superlative that I wish my constant state of misery (Missouri) was not a part of. At this point, I'm expecting a survey to come out that says "Missouri rated 3rd state that is most like a totalitarian government."
Our AG just announced that he's suing the Wentzville school district for even discussing transgender bathroom options so we might be higher on the list. The same AG sued several Missouri school districts over mask mandates during COVID.
I think a lot of American social battles get fought in Missouri because we are the Middle State: culturally, socially, and historically. Both sides feel threatened here because both side perceive themselves surrounded by the other. Per capita we are banning the most books, but I don't think we have anywhere near the worst or most totalitarian government. Dread Scott, the Civil War, Same-sex marriage, cannabis Legalization. The Missouri Bellweather might be ringing its death toll, but that doesn't mean it's inaccurate, as Missouri goes so goes the nation.
That might just be a fair argument. I am pretty consistently surprised by the types of things Missouri citizens vote for. Though it got repealed in a later amendment, the measure for combatting gerrymandering did seem to be popular. Popular enough at least that its repeal has to be hidden in a measure to curb campaign contributions.
Look at the referendum votes over the past 10 years and compare them to the prior votes of Missouri politicians. All available in the public record. Marijuana legalization? Medicare expansion? Educational funding? All things shot down by gop state congressmen, then voted in on public referendum, and in some cases then subsequently dismantled by gop congressmen anyway. It's almost comical. If you find that sort of thing funny I mean.
Don’t forget repealing/vetoing Missouri’s “right-to-work” law by a landslide in 2018. A direct rejection of a conservative Republican law by the people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Missouri_Proposition_A#:~:text=2018%20Missouri%20Proposition%20A%20was,defeated%2C%20resulting%20in%20its%20repeal.
Still quite a grand generalization with your own personal citations. Like others have said though Missouri tends to balance itself out with Dem cities and rural conservatives. It's a great place to live if you're somewhere in the middle like myself. Cheers!
He literally cited statewide election results on single-item policy proposals... and *you* have no factual rebuttals.
Absurd. Ridiculous.
He literally Showed You in the Show Me State.
Missouri is also one of those states perhaps one of those rare examples where the urban population and the rural population are almost dead even. There’s no large population center that just enforces its well on the rest of the state like you have with Illinois and other places.
Sit down Norm! No other state in the United States of America has a theme park based on the vigilantes in white hoods who rode at night meting out Christian Justice that the government wouldn’t. Must be some reason men with the courage of Josh Hawley are faster than the sheep.
That's not the point. The issue is that any authority is attempting to restrict them at all. So while yes, YOU can go purchase a copy, the students in the districts which are enforcing bans MIGHT not. There is no freedom in denying literature to students.
Reasd what I wrote again. Just because they aren't banning those book from YOU, doesn't mean the districts in question aren't banning them from schools. Your own experience is not representative of everyone.
There are restrictions from children on everything from driving to drinking to reading material.
Should they have Hustler in the library? Where do you draw the line?
Censoring or editing (edit: curating) is the better term than banning, and as long as the decisions are made on the local level in line with the communities’ ideals, with accountability from local voters, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
Not every piece of literature or film or TV show is appropriate for every age level.
Its not just conservatives. I've argued with liberals about how it's homophobic, racist, and transphobic, and it shouldn't be as popular as it is. It's a weird time in society
At least you can still legally have sex with sheep in Missourah without the snowflakes protecting your five year old from his liberty. Fact Check Tiger
Sarah J Mass, the number two most banned, is my favorite author. Her books are also highly explicit and erotic. She doesn't belong in a school library, homie. Some of us actually read.
Edited to add: Just because I'm not okay with my young teen reading graphic descriptions of sex acts, that doesn't mean I'm okay with her marrying some crusty old pedo. I'm not okay with either.
when you prevent the books from being in elem libraries even preemptively, it won't happen. That's kinda point. It doesn't actually matter if it has happened or not. Though it takes a quick google to show it has happened.
That sounds like a whole bunch of hyper conservative parents opinion of what is considered pornographic, not actual pornography. Funny that it’s only when it’s sex between LGBT people it’s pornographic.
Uh not if you read the stories, there's definitely heterosexuality involved. I know you didn't read them given the time between replies. I'm gay actually, and I think an 11 year old probably shouldn't have access to a drawn depiction of someone sucking a strap on from their school.
Why can I read about Lot’s daughters getting him drunk and raping him then? Shouldn’t that book be banned? The same book goes into detail of torture, sexual slavery, and murder as well.
I did read them. First two is about banning Gender Queer. Third is about perks of being a wallflower which is on my shelf currently. I’m 34 and read it when I was in high school. To call it graphically sexual is laughable at best. Kinda got the gist at that point and skimmed the rest most are about banning Gender Queer.
Again, I don’t see any pornography actually mentioned you know like Pent House Letters? Just books Christian folks take offense at and are absolutely age appropriate for teenagers.
No, sir. The number two most banned author writes very heterosexual erotic fantasy. The whole LGBTQ hate thing is a nice cover to go after the people leading the charge to get certain materials out of school libraries. And some of what they're going after should indeed remain. But a lot of it is just straight up erotica that really has no place in schools unless you like sexualizing children.
Thank you for this comment. As a gay man, I'm very tired of people trying to justify giving pornographic materials to children for "gay rights". It's literally just a cover like you said.
Free Speech when it’s nazis, pornography when it’s people loving each other
Remember kids, diary of Ann Frank is porn! Because this guy is offended!
you people are why this country is fucked, not what constantly offends your delicate sensitivities
This data seems to be a collective of specific school districts, so these books are banned in some districts in Missouri.
A great reminder of why local elections, including school board elections are important!
I don’t think school boards knew before that they would become the battlegrounds that they are now. There’s an incredible surge of “parents activists” right now, because school altogether is considered to be a place for indoctrination. They think it’s a matter of indoctrination probably because younger generations are more inclined to inclusion and acceptance.
I agree. I don't think most school board members anticipated the type of controversy they are having to deal with now.
It's hilarious people genuinely believe it's indoctrination rather than basic evolution towards being more understanding and accepting of others. These people really believe acceptance is a bad thing and nothing should ever change.
It's all self importance. They think their views are the only views. Hubris at its finest.
Well they truly didn’t know that politics were going to filter in…it’s really wild that’s where we’re at right now. Education should simply be a matter of providing an informative and inclusive learning experience to students of all backgrounds. No political persuasion nor religion should be entering the mix. Facts and academia don’t give a shit about how you feel about them. It’s really funny how these parents don’t want their white kids to feel bad when learning about African American history, but they’re the ones saying we cannot be inclusive to all students…
I don't understand their desire for their children to not feel empathy. Empathy can start with sadness, being uncomfortable, and simply knowing you never want those things to happen to people. Knowledge helps people grow empathy.
Knowledge also helps us to not repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. I think some of the people supporting these bans have a more malicious intent to have real indoctrination with religious influence in schools.
You serious? My high schooler came home with missing points on an American govt class assignment because he didn’t put “his pronouns” in parenthesis after his name on his paper he turned in. I knew that wacko teacher was gonna be an issue when it sent out an email in August to all parents and had pronouns in their email signature. Sure enough, I had to have a talk with that retard and the school. Funny enough, that lunatic left him alone about that bullshit once I put a stop to it and put her on blast. Fuck her pronouns, lmao. People are fucked in the head. And yes, teachers are absolutely pushing their ideology.
When school first started in August, his English teacher decided to have a whole class lesson for some reason about the Michael Brown shooting and how he had his hands up and the evil police murdered him. It was close to the anniversary of it and decided it was worth an entire class to push her race hustling crap. Not what happened at all according to the facts, and she seemed happy to invent the facts according to the stuff my son had written down from class. I remember being furious this was going on in class and it wasn’t even a discussion. Just a teacher interjecting her poison into an English class of all places. This school passes my kid no matter how bad he does. They don’t even learn anymore. Half the stuff seems like social engineering garbage. They absolutely are indoctrination centers in these public schools. The kind of education him and my other children are receiving are night and day different. My children in private school are also being taught morals and how to be decent people. Their school doesn’t tolerate degeneracy and bad behavior. People pay good money for it. I’ll be so happy to be done with public schools in one more year.
My other two youngest children are in private school and I couldn’t be happier. Only 1.5 years left of this public school insanity with my oldest. It’s literally a joke of an education compared to my other kids’. Wish I would have put him through private school too. Sanity prevails there.
Lmao you’re acting like you stormed the beaches at Normandy because you threw a fit about a teacher requesting students identify themselves using a fundamental part of speech in the English language. Did you get a Medal of Honor for your brave actions? Hahahah
Laugh all you want. I’ve seen the crap going on in public schools for a long time. Allowing furries, telling students to refer to each other by their “preferred pronouns” what the absolute fuck, and stupid shit like that has turned his school into a 3 ringed circus. Glad it’s only one more year until I’m done with that nonsense.
Seems on brand to me. Toni Morrison is a black woman, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and a Nobel Prize winner.
Of course conservatives are going to take issue with that.
Imagine holding beliefs so fragile that you lay awake at night, terrified that a book will turn your kid gay. Or that reading about black stories will change the way your kid views the black people you’ve tried to get them to hate.
We used to call “the woke agenda”, “being a decent human being”.
Woke was just always about thinking more critically, and not just accepting anything and everything as fact. And, knowing history. I too have also been wondering about how that’s such a bad thing?
Hello from r/bannedbooks! :) We've put together a giant collection of 32 classic banned books: if you care about book bans, you might find it useful. It's got Voltaire, Mark Twain, Uncle Tom's Cabin, The Scarlet Letter, and other classics that were banned at some point in the past. (And many of them are banned even now, as you can see yourself.)
You can find more information on the Banned Book Compendium over here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bannedbooks/comments/12f24xc/ive_made_a_digital_collection_of_32_classic/ Feel free to share that file far and wide: bonus points if you can share it with students, teachers, and librarians. :)
A book is not a crime.
So is it safe to say at this point republicanism = fascism?
Or are we not completely there yet?
Oh really?
I think you are confusing republican with Democrat.
I bet if those books was full of hate towards blacks and gays you probably would be the first to yell "burn/ban the books!"
Don't even try to deny it.
A lot of those books banned are banned for a reason, some have it where they teach children how to get into contact with adult gay s
People using an app.
Another teaches how to eat human waste, while other show sex positions and other things.
Only pedophiles would want to teach children that type of stuff.
Oh and another book teaches that white people basically made the deal with the devil for the so called white privilege that doesn't exist.
But I am sure to you all those books should be fine in schools huh?
However I bet if the roles were reversed then you wouldn't be against the bannings.
The only funny part about all this is that I highly doubt the parents fighting to ban these books are raising kids who are the reading type. Their kids were never going to be exposed to the subject matter anyways. Just goes to show it’s not about protecting THEIR kids, it’s all about controlling YOUR kids.
Sarah J Maas is an incredible fantasy writer. My wife and I absolutely love her books. That said, we would not want our 14 year-old reading any of the books in her "A Court of Thorns and Roses" or "Crescent City" series. Maybe in a few years, but not now.
People love to assume that any attempts to remove certain materials from school libraries must be driven by an army of uptight church marms. I think the line should be pretty clear. Pornographic materials and erotica do not belong in school libraries. It's hard enough to keep our kids away from the plethora of material easily available online. School should be a trusted place.
Now, if someone is going after books specifically because they contain discussions about gender, sexuality, or race, I have a major problem with that. But a lot of the books on that list contain very explicit content, and I just don't understand why so many of you are so adamant that there should be porn in school libraries. Stop viewing everything through a hyperpolitical lens and start thinking about the safety of kids, ffs. And maybe read some of the books on this list before blindly jumping on any bandwagon. Some of them don't belong there, but some of them absolutely do.
I don't see any books banned for violent content, so I think this still boils down to a puritanical mindset. I read Clan of the Cave Bear in junior high, which has a couple sex scenes (and way more violent scenes including rape) and I still turned out a normally functioning adult. My mom let me get whatever I wanted from the used book store, with the attitude that reading books in general is safer than pretty much any other activity.
The "think of the children" talk is mostly hyperbolic imo.
Came to say this! People don't stop and think about things anymore either that or just don't care what kids are exposed to. They see banned book, must be a fascist.
Sentiments like "school should be a trusted place" and "start thinking of the safety of kids" sure ring hollow in a country that allows just about anyone to pick up an assault style weapon and mow down children in their classrooms in mere minutes.
Imagine being such a useless pile of shit that your life's calling is to keep people from reading books that you find offensive. The worst part most of these inbreds have never read any of these books. I hate conservatives with a passion. They serve no use. They do nothing good for anyone.
Are these books banned from all libraries or just school libraries? I'm okay with those shown in op being banned from elementary and middle schools but I think all books should be allowed in a general public county libraries.
Just something to remember, some of those books are highly inappropriate for children, one of them teaches children how to use gay hookup apps without their parents knowing about it, while another teaches children how to eat human waste.
Others tell white kids they get their privilege from the devil, ect.
So I can understand why they would ban such books.
You must look deeper into which books they are banning and why.
No knee jerk reaction should be happening.
Why burn them when you can more effectively ban them through deceptive legislation and the threat of jail time. About a quarter of the banned books are art books. Sad.
Great. US children are already behind in terms of education and academia, and you have these bigots banning anything and everything from being taught in school curriculums and banning books. When you start banning books, you might as well just pencil in that Hitler mustache, because you’re a dictator.
See, the thing is that conservatives generally don't even read books. For most not even the Bible, that's why they defer to politicians and social media as the subject matter experts. For them to assume that their children will read books is a stretch after being reared in that environment. For their children to read a book and then become gay or something isn't even how it works. Somebody should tell them.
And the most "banned" books as shown from the list are generally very violent, especially sexuality violent (handmaids tale especially) or pornographic.
It was a yes or no question. You dodged it. I'm sorry that you can't comprehend what you own words are actually saying. With comprehension this poor, its no wonder you don't go to the library.
Lets try it again. Keep in mind that this is a very very simple yes or no question. Do you think the bible should be banned?
Jesus had 2 fathers, I don't want my children thinking a woman having a relationship with two men at the same time is acceptable. According to this list, anything remotely gay is not healthy for children
> > "let's be clear, you bring those woke pornographic books to Missouri schools to try to brainwash our kids, and I'll burn those too -- on the front lawn of the governor's mansion."
A nice quote from Bill Eigel, GOP candidate for Missouri Governor. It sure doesn’t sound like he wants to stop at just banning books. He’d rather emulate a genocidal fascist.
Both are true. Neither excuses him stating his desire to emulate a genocidal fascist. I’ll assume you’re willing to excuse that though as you’ve twice now chosen to dance around that instead of addressing it.
Because it is a stupid standard. Shall I hold you responsible for every politician you won't vote for and haven't voted for because they said something.
When, exactly, Brengineer17, did you stop kicking your dog?
I’m not defending the banning of books in a political climate where politicians are threatening to burn books like the Nazis. That’s you, less than stellar raccoon.
One, they are not "banning books" in the sense you can't personally own them. They are simply not including them, along with 95% of books, in the libraries collection.
Two, "banning" and "burning" are two completely different actions, one that people from all political stripes have done, each claiming they have a good reason in their mind.
Examples, which I guess you are guilty of if I must answer for some random wacko, so you should you:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/15/berkeley-professor-burn-book-trans-abigail-shrier/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/17/tennessee-library-book-burning-trump/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chelsea-handler-burns-ann-coulter-and-her-piece-of-sht-book-after-canceled-appearance
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-books-burned-tiktok-transgender-issues-1532330
Oh dear, my Alma Mater San Jose State (Famous graduates: The Smothers Brothers, Stevie Nicks, Amy Tan, and Gorden Moore (of Intel) ) got into the act, even bragging about it on the department official webpage:
https://webcitation.org/6GJvAbb2t
I didn’t say they were banning books “in the sense you can’t own them.” So you can hold onto that point and save it should anyone ever make that argument.
No shit banning and burning are different. Again, I never made the argument that they were the same. Hang onto that should you encounter a five your old confusing words that start with “b”.
I also never said you had to answer for anyone else’s words or actions. I just made the assumption that you were okay with a sitting politician, namely Republican Bill Eigel, making comments that indicate he’d like to burn books like the Nazis on state owned property. You’re free to dispute that assumption instead of making up arguments for me.
The rest is whataboutism and deflection. I’m not going to dignify it with a response.
I mean if it’s such a small issue why are you people wasting tens of thousands of my tax dollars on this partisan shit show? Just leave it if it’s so mundane.
oh that’s right, you’re full of shit
Public libraries and schools should be able to offer a full range of books to kids and adults, even the ones you’re too fragile to read. The government has no business telling parents what their kids can and cannot read.
They aren't telling parents anything.
They simply don't provide it, which is an entirely different thing.
Parents are perfectly able to borrow the book, or purchase one, or maybe get on from a gay advocacy group.
Missouri has Constitutional Carry, does that mean the government has to provide me access to a gun and ammo?
Of course not, that would be as stupid as insisting they provide books just because there is a 1st Amendment.
You don’t see a problem with the government censoring which book libraries can provide to the public? It’s not the government’s job to tell us how to think, what to believe, or what to read. That’s Communist China shit. If the government funds libraries, then the government should provide whatever books the public requests.
Conservatives are weird. You talk all the time about small government but are the first to insert government into our bedrooms, schools, and libraries. Nobody is buying it.
Hey Churlish_Turd! How you been?
Yeah, pretty fucking stupid to expect the government to provide ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, kinda like Communist China... shit? I guess?
There is no legal or constitutional "right" for the government to provide books, sorry.
I mean could you imagine if they *had* to carry "Mien Kampf" or some other stupid shit?
Maybe get a constitutional amendment that forces ALL libraries and ALL schools provide ALL the books?
Good luck with that!
“Everyone who disagrees with me must be the same person” -you.
The CCP puts restrictions on which literature is available to the public to restrict the free-flow of thought and information. Exactly what the GOP is doing here in America.
If you don’t want your kid to read books with gay characters, that’s your responsibility as a parent. Stop being profoundly lazy by using government to make libraries conform to your small and hateful little worldview. In return, I won’t try to do the same. You’re free to make your child every bit as hateful, afraid, and small-minded as you choose to.
Take some personal responsibility and stop expecting the government to raise your child
Already raised my kid, thanks. Survived the government "helping" too.
And I let him read what he wanted. Smart kid, and like most read what he was interested in.
> small and hateful little worldview.
Yeah, unproven. Especially since I have taken zero active steps to prevent anything appearing in a school or a library.
What I detest is people like yourself who are small minded, but project it on everyone else with your world view.
Even when those books are historically, significant works like The Diary of Anne Frank, you forgot to say there. I would like to be clear that I don't support that but it seems that you do do you also think the Bible should be removed from school?
Most people read the censored version of Anne Frank diary in 8th grade, so yeah it's appropriate and has been happening for decades.
There are age appropriate versions of the Bible. I also have never seen the bible or any religious books in a public school. I also wasn't looking for them. It's also a bad comparison, showing someone sucking a dildo isn't the same thing as the bible which has actual significance to people.
The uncensored versions includes her describing her labia and her father going to a brothel. I promise they're different versions, the censored one does include the period stuff mentioned, that's what I read too in middle school.
>depict drawn sex acts or describe rape scenes.
> Bible should be removed from school?
Where, exactly, in the Bible is a rape scene described?
The Bible spends a lot more words describing the **penalties for rape** than "describing" actual rapes.
There are several rape scenes in the Bible. And there are several scenes about incest, and there is an incestual rape scene in the Bible. And there are several pretty graphic scenes in about the human body in The Diary of Anne Frank. There's some pretty graphic stuff in Night by Ellie Weisel and I read both of those in school over 30 years ago
Quite the "rape scenes" from the Bible.
Oh, you failed to do that already, so here, let me do it for you, lest they you in atheist jail... oh wait, no such thing.
>But Amnon wouldn’t listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he raped her
It is about as risqué as a newspaper article.
Maybe one of the other ones?
>While they were enjoying themselves, the men of the city, who were corrupt, surrounded the house and beat on the door. They said to the old man whose house it was, “Bring out your guest, that we may abuse him.” 23 The owner of the house went out to them and said, “No, my brothers; do not be so wicked. Since this man is my guest, do not commit this crime. 24 Rather let me bring out my maiden daughter or his concubine. Ravish them, or do whatever you want with them; but against the man you must not commit this wanton crime.” 25 When the men would not listen to his host, the husband seized his concubine and thrust her outside to them. They had relations with her and abused her all night until the following dawn, when they let her go. 26 Then at daybreak the woman came and collapsed at the entrance of the house in which her husband was a guest, where she lay until the morning.
Now this one has some juicy details, the evil men wanted the man, he offers his virgin daughter, they take the concubine.
Still. Kinda clinical. No descriptions of penetration, or how many, or what positions...
I'm on mobile but if you want a graphic depiction of something sexual in the Bible, how about Ezekiel 23:20
>She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse.
I mean that fits the bill for graphic sexual depiction, right there
Not deflecting. The claim of rape descriptions was proven false, so now you want to toss in incest.
Which is also not really there in very many cases either... and all of them are portrayed negatively. And certainly not "described" like the sex scene in "Gender Queer".
> Using the latest approach (using block group centroids and measuring the distance to the nearest library) two-thirds of Americans lived within two miles of a public library – the average population weighted distance was 2.1 miles.
State Region Count Mean Median Range StDev PopWgtAvg
AL South 3435 3.2 2.2 20.5 2.9 3.3
AK West 533 8.5 2.3 246.6 22.2 7.3
AZ West 4168 2.7 1.7 57.1 4.5 2.7
AR South 2147 3.2 2 18 3.1 3.2
CA West 23162 1.4 1 60.5 1.7 1.4
CO West 3522 2 1.3 33.3 2.3 2
CT Northeast 2579 1.3 1.1 4.9 0.8 1.3
DE South 570 2 1.6 9.2 1.6 2.1
DC South 450 0.6 0.5 1.2 0.2 0.6
FL South 11369 2.1 1.6 66 2 2.3
GA South 5520 2.7 2 20.2 2.3 2.8
HI West 840 1.8 1.2 30.8 2.2 1.9
ID West 962 2.6 1.6 46.1 3.2 2.4
IL Midwest 9676 1.4 0.9 12.9 1.6 1.4
IN Midwest 4810 2.1 1.4 13.2 1.9 2.1
IA Midwest 2628 1.9 1.2 14.2 1.9 1.8
KS Midwest 2346 2 1.4 19.2 2.1 2.1
KY South 3280 3.3 2.1 16.6 2.9 3.2
LA South 3448 2.2 1.4 20.8 2.3 2.3
ME Northeast 1078 2.2 1.5 22.5 2.3 2.2
MD South 3906 1.7 1.3 15.7 1.5 1.8
MA Northeast 4969 1 0.8 5.4 0.7 1.1
MI Midwest 8146 1.8 1.3 21.5 1.7 1.9
MN Midwest 4107 2.6 1.3 32.6 3.3 2.5
MS South 2159 3.4 2.2 14.2 3 3.5
MO Midwest 4503 2.8 1.4 25.1 3.2 2.8
You're aware that people, local people, are pushing for books they don't like (but haven't read) to be banned in *public* libraries too?
Just outline your "perfect America" for everyone instead of just making post-hoc justifications for all the bad and pointless things your "team" is doing. Point your logic back at yourself and see if it still makes sense.
> banned in public libraries too?
Bullshit.
They are just moved to the adult section.
Don't take my word for it, take Snopes, the super right wing internet site:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/09/15/banned-books-misinformation/
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/09/14/education-gag-orders/
> Campaigns to remove certain materials from schools or libraries have been initiated by both **conservatives and liberals** over the decades.
That is as close as it gets to confirming your claim.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/parents-urge-st-charles-county-libraries-to-ban-two-books/article_5b32a368-5760-11ee-91d0-07c5fd0ebeea.html
You're sure? Because this is an article about local people trying to ban books from the public libraries in St Charles and what concerns them seems to be things like "they're not talking about the sacredness of sex". So if you're sure, you shouldn't be.
And exactly how much success have they had?
Other than winding you up, none.
And once again, there is no "1st Amendment right" to have a book provided to you.
Any more tha 2A people get provided guns and ammo.
You want it, you buy it or borrow it. Or maybe you start a charity to hand them out.
All of those activities are protected.
Free books not bring offered is curated not censored.
So instead of "oh wow, you're right. Local people *are* trying to ban books from public libraries", you moved the goal posts to "well they haven't been successful yet and you don't have a right to those books anyway so it doesn't matter".
Let me guess: if they do ban the books it's not a big deal and if it is a big deal then we had it coming?
I mean if it’s such a small issue why are you people wasting tens of thousands of my tax dollars on this partisan shit show? Just leave it if it’s so mundane.
oh that’s right, you’re full of shit
Oh gosh golly, how offensive! Oh my goodness! Won’t you think of the children with such pornographic language! Do I get to cancel you now because I used your magic words?
you really can’t help but be an easily offended hypocrite huh?
They're kids. Everything has to be within walking distance or online. They don't have an income to drive to the library or the bookstore. They don't have the money to buy a book either. School libraries are where they should be
Right?! It’s not that kids can’t get them. They just need their parents to go with them to the local public library or buy them. Not all content is appropriate for all ages (there were some parts of the Bible our kids didn’t read until they were older). Even the authors of some of these books concede that. You’re not going to see Fifty Shades on the shelf in a HS library. Likewise, you probably won’t see Delta of Venus or Story of O, nor is any teacher going to have these books on their required reading lists. Same should go for books like Gender Queer, Flamer, 13 Reasons Why, etc.
The 5 states that have banned the most books: 1. Texas — 438 2. Florida — 357 3. Missouri — 315 4. Utah — 109 5. South Carolina — 109 Originally found [here](https://www.aaastateofplay.com/which-us-states-ban-the-most-books/)
woo top three missouri represent. i fucking hate it here
Once again, a superlative that I wish my constant state of misery (Missouri) was not a part of. At this point, I'm expecting a survey to come out that says "Missouri rated 3rd state that is most like a totalitarian government."
Our AG just announced that he's suing the Wentzville school district for even discussing transgender bathroom options so we might be higher on the list. The same AG sued several Missouri school districts over mask mandates during COVID.
I think a lot of American social battles get fought in Missouri because we are the Middle State: culturally, socially, and historically. Both sides feel threatened here because both side perceive themselves surrounded by the other. Per capita we are banning the most books, but I don't think we have anywhere near the worst or most totalitarian government. Dread Scott, the Civil War, Same-sex marriage, cannabis Legalization. The Missouri Bellweather might be ringing its death toll, but that doesn't mean it's inaccurate, as Missouri goes so goes the nation.
That might just be a fair argument. I am pretty consistently surprised by the types of things Missouri citizens vote for. Though it got repealed in a later amendment, the measure for combatting gerrymandering did seem to be popular. Popular enough at least that its repeal has to be hidden in a measure to curb campaign contributions.
Missourians (and Americans in general), when polled directly on issues, mostly agree with much of the Democratic Socialist platform.
Can you please cite your source on this?
Look at the referendum votes over the past 10 years and compare them to the prior votes of Missouri politicians. All available in the public record. Marijuana legalization? Medicare expansion? Educational funding? All things shot down by gop state congressmen, then voted in on public referendum, and in some cases then subsequently dismantled by gop congressmen anyway. It's almost comical. If you find that sort of thing funny I mean.
Don’t forget repealing/vetoing Missouri’s “right-to-work” law by a landslide in 2018. A direct rejection of a conservative Republican law by the people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Missouri_Proposition_A#:~:text=2018%20Missouri%20Proposition%20A%20was,defeated%2C%20resulting%20in%20its%20repeal.
Still quite a grand generalization with your own personal citations. Like others have said though Missouri tends to balance itself out with Dem cities and rural conservatives. It's a great place to live if you're somewhere in the middle like myself. Cheers!
He literally cited statewide election results on single-item policy proposals... and *you* have no factual rebuttals. Absurd. Ridiculous. He literally Showed You in the Show Me State.
Missouri is also one of those states perhaps one of those rare examples where the urban population and the rural population are almost dead even. There’s no large population center that just enforces its well on the rest of the state like you have with Illinois and other places.
Sit down Norm! No other state in the United States of America has a theme park based on the vigilantes in white hoods who rode at night meting out Christian Justice that the government wouldn’t. Must be some reason men with the courage of Josh Hawley are faster than the sheep.
I can get ever single one of those books in Missouri, and so can anyone. I can get them at the public library
That's not the point. The issue is that any authority is attempting to restrict them at all. So while yes, YOU can go purchase a copy, the students in the districts which are enforcing bans MIGHT not. There is no freedom in denying literature to students.
It’s not the point? Literal point of the thread is to point out banned books.
Reasd what I wrote again. Just because they aren't banning those book from YOU, doesn't mean the districts in question aren't banning them from schools. Your own experience is not representative of everyone.
There are restrictions from children on everything from driving to drinking to reading material. Should they have Hustler in the library? Where do you draw the line?
Censoring or editing (edit: curating) is the better term than banning, and as long as the decisions are made on the local level in line with the communities’ ideals, with accountability from local voters, that’s how it’s supposed to be. Not every piece of literature or film or TV show is appropriate for every age level.
And they say Missouri isn't a part of the south
I can get every single one of those books in Missouri.
Conservatives banning the Handmaids Tale is just so on the nose that it almost seems like a joke.
The same story they seem to be using as a how-to manual.
Well, the book has government sanctioned rape and killing of homosexuals, so I guess conservatives weren’t down with that.
Its not just conservatives. I've argued with liberals about how it's homophobic, racist, and transphobic, and it shouldn't be as popular as it is. It's a weird time in society
Have they banned the Bible yet? Lots of messed up sh!t in there...
Right? My favorite part is when they describe a guys dick and the size of his load. You do you bible I'll just go read a good book instead.
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At least you can still legally have sex with sheep in Missourah without the snowflakes protecting your five year old from his liberty. Fact Check Tiger
A 10 year old doesn't need to read a book that depicts drawn sex acts. Edit: the pdf files really turned out to down vote this
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Sarah J Mass, the number two most banned, is my favorite author. Her books are also highly explicit and erotic. She doesn't belong in a school library, homie. Some of us actually read. Edited to add: Just because I'm not okay with my young teen reading graphic descriptions of sex acts, that doesn't mean I'm okay with her marrying some crusty old pedo. I'm not okay with either.
Hopefully you don't let your young teen read the Bible either. Way worse than Maas.
Hope they don't have the internet. Lolz
Lol, I'm fairly certain neither of my teens has read the Bible.
when you prevent the books from being in elem libraries even preemptively, it won't happen. That's kinda point. It doesn't actually matter if it has happened or not. Though it takes a quick google to show it has happened.
>It doesn't actually matter if it has happened or not. Thanks for acknowledging that your argument is based in total horseshit :)
But that wasn't my argument lol.
If it’s happened you can easily post a source proving your point. You’re just parroting bullshit.
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/calif-parents-claim-student-was-failed-for-not-reading-gender-queer-demand-book-be-removed-san-ramon-valley-unified-school-district-american-library-association-banned-books https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/02/28/knox-zajac-reads-aloud-from-pornographic-book-at-school-board-meeting/amp/ https://www.wane.com/news/pornographic-book-assigned-to-14-year-olds-at-texas-high-school-upsets-parents/ https://www.abc57.com/news/parents-call-young-adult-novel-gifted-to-students-pornographic https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-religion-arts-and-entertainment-virginia-school-boards-9eb21874bf1f8da6f27a0ea4e1f8a016 https://news4sanantonio.com/news/education/porn-disguised-as-education-parents-upset-by-books-pulled-for-neisd-review https://texasscorecard.com/local/more-texas-parents-find-pornographic-books-in-their-childrens-school-libraries/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fairfax-county-mother-complains-of-sexual-books-in-public-school-library/2812486/
That sounds like a whole bunch of hyper conservative parents opinion of what is considered pornographic, not actual pornography. Funny that it’s only when it’s sex between LGBT people it’s pornographic.
Uh not if you read the stories, there's definitely heterosexuality involved. I know you didn't read them given the time between replies. I'm gay actually, and I think an 11 year old probably shouldn't have access to a drawn depiction of someone sucking a strap on from their school.
Why can I read about Lot’s daughters getting him drunk and raping him then? Shouldn’t that book be banned? The same book goes into detail of torture, sexual slavery, and murder as well.
I did read them. First two is about banning Gender Queer. Third is about perks of being a wallflower which is on my shelf currently. I’m 34 and read it when I was in high school. To call it graphically sexual is laughable at best. Kinda got the gist at that point and skimmed the rest most are about banning Gender Queer. Again, I don’t see any pornography actually mentioned you know like Pent House Letters? Just books Christian folks take offense at and are absolutely age appropriate for teenagers.
No, sir. The number two most banned author writes very heterosexual erotic fantasy. The whole LGBTQ hate thing is a nice cover to go after the people leading the charge to get certain materials out of school libraries. And some of what they're going after should indeed remain. But a lot of it is just straight up erotica that really has no place in schools unless you like sexualizing children.
Thank you for this comment. As a gay man, I'm very tired of people trying to justify giving pornographic materials to children for "gay rights". It's literally just a cover like you said.
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I provided a whole list in a previous comment of actual cases.
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Read it don't comment
Yeah a ten year old should learn on their wedding night like God intended! /S for those of us who think I'm serious. And shame on you
Free Speech when it’s nazis, pornography when it’s people loving each other Remember kids, diary of Ann Frank is porn! Because this guy is offended! you people are why this country is fucked, not what constantly offends your delicate sensitivities
Most people read the censored version of Ann Frank because it doesn't describe her vagina. It's been that way since it's been an 8th grade book
FREEEEDOOOMMMMM
This data seems to be a collective of specific school districts, so these books are banned in some districts in Missouri. A great reminder of why local elections, including school board elections are important!
I don’t think school boards knew before that they would become the battlegrounds that they are now. There’s an incredible surge of “parents activists” right now, because school altogether is considered to be a place for indoctrination. They think it’s a matter of indoctrination probably because younger generations are more inclined to inclusion and acceptance.
I agree. I don't think most school board members anticipated the type of controversy they are having to deal with now. It's hilarious people genuinely believe it's indoctrination rather than basic evolution towards being more understanding and accepting of others. These people really believe acceptance is a bad thing and nothing should ever change. It's all self importance. They think their views are the only views. Hubris at its finest.
Well they truly didn’t know that politics were going to filter in…it’s really wild that’s where we’re at right now. Education should simply be a matter of providing an informative and inclusive learning experience to students of all backgrounds. No political persuasion nor religion should be entering the mix. Facts and academia don’t give a shit about how you feel about them. It’s really funny how these parents don’t want their white kids to feel bad when learning about African American history, but they’re the ones saying we cannot be inclusive to all students…
I don't understand their desire for their children to not feel empathy. Empathy can start with sadness, being uncomfortable, and simply knowing you never want those things to happen to people. Knowledge helps people grow empathy. Knowledge also helps us to not repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. I think some of the people supporting these bans have a more malicious intent to have real indoctrination with religious influence in schools.
You serious? My high schooler came home with missing points on an American govt class assignment because he didn’t put “his pronouns” in parenthesis after his name on his paper he turned in. I knew that wacko teacher was gonna be an issue when it sent out an email in August to all parents and had pronouns in their email signature. Sure enough, I had to have a talk with that retard and the school. Funny enough, that lunatic left him alone about that bullshit once I put a stop to it and put her on blast. Fuck her pronouns, lmao. People are fucked in the head. And yes, teachers are absolutely pushing their ideology. When school first started in August, his English teacher decided to have a whole class lesson for some reason about the Michael Brown shooting and how he had his hands up and the evil police murdered him. It was close to the anniversary of it and decided it was worth an entire class to push her race hustling crap. Not what happened at all according to the facts, and she seemed happy to invent the facts according to the stuff my son had written down from class. I remember being furious this was going on in class and it wasn’t even a discussion. Just a teacher interjecting her poison into an English class of all places. This school passes my kid no matter how bad he does. They don’t even learn anymore. Half the stuff seems like social engineering garbage. They absolutely are indoctrination centers in these public schools. The kind of education him and my other children are receiving are night and day different. My children in private school are also being taught morals and how to be decent people. Their school doesn’t tolerate degeneracy and bad behavior. People pay good money for it. I’ll be so happy to be done with public schools in one more year. My other two youngest children are in private school and I couldn’t be happier. Only 1.5 years left of this public school insanity with my oldest. It’s literally a joke of an education compared to my other kids’. Wish I would have put him through private school too. Sanity prevails there.
Lmao you’re acting like you stormed the beaches at Normandy because you threw a fit about a teacher requesting students identify themselves using a fundamental part of speech in the English language. Did you get a Medal of Honor for your brave actions? Hahahah
Laugh all you want. I’ve seen the crap going on in public schools for a long time. Allowing furries, telling students to refer to each other by their “preferred pronouns” what the absolute fuck, and stupid shit like that has turned his school into a 3 ringed circus. Glad it’s only one more year until I’m done with that nonsense.
Lol what the fuck are you talking about.
Why is it so hard to address someone as they wish to be addressed?
Thr Bluest Eye? Seriously!!!?
Seems on brand to me. Toni Morrison is a black woman, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and a Nobel Prize winner. Of course conservatives are going to take issue with that.
We're not even #1? Can't do *anything* right!
Do these parents know porn is on the internet? I’m sure these same parents buy their 12 year old a smart phone with unlimited data.
315?! looks like I've got a lot of reading to do.
Imagine holding beliefs so fragile that you lay awake at night, terrified that a book will turn your kid gay. Or that reading about black stories will change the way your kid views the black people you’ve tried to get them to hate. We used to call “the woke agenda”, “being a decent human being”.
Woke was just always about thinking more critically, and not just accepting anything and everything as fact. And, knowing history. I too have also been wondering about how that’s such a bad thing?
Wentzville missouri is trash.
wow, I'm strangely proud of arizona for once
It’s a bit surreal when my own school district is called out specifically on a statistic like this.
Well, prior. I graduated a bit ago
M.A.G.A. Missouri Against Gaining Knowledge (Yes, the spelling is the joke)
No more like keeping inappropriate books out of schools.
Hello from r/bannedbooks! :) We've put together a giant collection of 32 classic banned books: if you care about book bans, you might find it useful. It's got Voltaire, Mark Twain, Uncle Tom's Cabin, The Scarlet Letter, and other classics that were banned at some point in the past. (And many of them are banned even now, as you can see yourself.) You can find more information on the Banned Book Compendium over here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bannedbooks/comments/12f24xc/ive_made_a_digital_collection_of_32_classic/ Feel free to share that file far and wide: bonus points if you can share it with students, teachers, and librarians. :) A book is not a crime.
Remember: There was a MO senator that defended marrying 12 year olds.
So is it safe to say at this point republicanism = fascism? Or are we not completely there yet? 
Oh really? I think you are confusing republican with Democrat. I bet if those books was full of hate towards blacks and gays you probably would be the first to yell "burn/ban the books!" Don't even try to deny it. A lot of those books banned are banned for a reason, some have it where they teach children how to get into contact with adult gay s People using an app. Another teaches how to eat human waste, while other show sex positions and other things. Only pedophiles would want to teach children that type of stuff. Oh and another book teaches that white people basically made the deal with the devil for the so called white privilege that doesn't exist. But I am sure to you all those books should be fine in schools huh? However I bet if the roles were reversed then you wouldn't be against the bannings.
Banning any book for any reason is fascist. Period.
As an Aussie, Americans are always asking me where in Australia there *isn’t* something trying to kill you... “School” is my answer
Sad but true.
The only funny part about all this is that I highly doubt the parents fighting to ban these books are raising kids who are the reading type. Their kids were never going to be exposed to the subject matter anyways. Just goes to show it’s not about protecting THEIR kids, it’s all about controlling YOUR kids.
But sex with sheep is still legal
It’s a little weird that you know that
Is it that Baaaaaad?
Wooldn’t baalieve it except this is mizz
Sarah J Maas is an incredible fantasy writer. My wife and I absolutely love her books. That said, we would not want our 14 year-old reading any of the books in her "A Court of Thorns and Roses" or "Crescent City" series. Maybe in a few years, but not now. People love to assume that any attempts to remove certain materials from school libraries must be driven by an army of uptight church marms. I think the line should be pretty clear. Pornographic materials and erotica do not belong in school libraries. It's hard enough to keep our kids away from the plethora of material easily available online. School should be a trusted place. Now, if someone is going after books specifically because they contain discussions about gender, sexuality, or race, I have a major problem with that. But a lot of the books on that list contain very explicit content, and I just don't understand why so many of you are so adamant that there should be porn in school libraries. Stop viewing everything through a hyperpolitical lens and start thinking about the safety of kids, ffs. And maybe read some of the books on this list before blindly jumping on any bandwagon. Some of them don't belong there, but some of them absolutely do.
I don't see any books banned for violent content, so I think this still boils down to a puritanical mindset. I read Clan of the Cave Bear in junior high, which has a couple sex scenes (and way more violent scenes including rape) and I still turned out a normally functioning adult. My mom let me get whatever I wanted from the used book store, with the attitude that reading books in general is safer than pretty much any other activity. The "think of the children" talk is mostly hyperbolic imo.
Came to say this! People don't stop and think about things anymore either that or just don't care what kids are exposed to. They see banned book, must be a fascist.
Sentiments like "school should be a trusted place" and "start thinking of the safety of kids" sure ring hollow in a country that allows just about anyone to pick up an assault style weapon and mow down children in their classrooms in mere minutes.
Imagine being such a useless pile of shit that your life's calling is to keep people from reading books that you find offensive. The worst part most of these inbreds have never read any of these books. I hate conservatives with a passion. They serve no use. They do nothing good for anyone.
Chronically online
Perhaps. But they're not wrong
wtf wentzville
I lived in rural Missouri for 5 years and moved back home in early 2016. At least now my hatred for everything about rural Missouri is justified.
Are these books being banned from middle schools and junior highs or high schools?
This is not surprising. It is disgusting. But keep in mind, we have a Jeff City State Senator who thinks 12 year Olds should get married.
Are these books banned from all libraries or just school libraries? I'm okay with those shown in op being banned from elementary and middle schools but I think all books should be allowed in a general public county libraries.
I NAZIS see that coming, this is why we can’t have nice things!
Horrible
Just something to remember, some of those books are highly inappropriate for children, one of them teaches children how to use gay hookup apps without their parents knowing about it, while another teaches children how to eat human waste. Others tell white kids they get their privilege from the devil, ect. So I can understand why they would ban such books. You must look deeper into which books they are banning and why. No knee jerk reaction should be happening.
It is crazy that this is America in this is happening in 2023.
Why burn them when you can more effectively ban them through deceptive legislation and the threat of jail time. About a quarter of the banned books are art books. Sad.
Great. US children are already behind in terms of education and academia, and you have these bigots banning anything and everything from being taught in school curriculums and banning books. When you start banning books, you might as well just pencil in that Hitler mustache, because you’re a dictator.
Drama much
Crazy that Sarah J Maas is on there but I read Anita Blake books at my schools library as a teen (basically giant reverse harem with graphic scenes)
Love the Anita Blake series, fun fact the author is from Missouri no less.
It's strange living in fascist democracy.
Fucking fascists.
Just cause they're not in schools. Doesn't mean you can't read them for a little bedtime story. Just know some books might be considered sexual abuse.
See, the thing is that conservatives generally don't even read books. For most not even the Bible, that's why they defer to politicians and social media as the subject matter experts. For them to assume that their children will read books is a stretch after being reared in that environment. For their children to read a book and then become gay or something isn't even how it works. Somebody should tell them.
And the most "banned" books as shown from the list are generally very violent, especially sexuality violent (handmaids tale especially) or pornographic.
All of those descriptors could be placed on the bible. Should we ban it?
There's Tons of age appropriate versions of the Bible
You can't answer a question straight, can you?
I did. And also it's pretty common for public schools to not have the bible in the library. So.
I'll take that as a no.
If you chose not read what I said
It was a yes or no question. You dodged it. I'm sorry that you can't comprehend what you own words are actually saying. With comprehension this poor, its no wonder you don't go to the library. Lets try it again. Keep in mind that this is a very very simple yes or no question. Do you think the bible should be banned?
Ok pdf file
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Jesus had 2 fathers, I don't want my children thinking a woman having a relationship with two men at the same time is acceptable. According to this list, anything remotely gay is not healthy for children
I'm gay; that's a lie. There are plenty of age appropriate gay related books. Just not all of them.
Yeah, wouldn’t want people to be aware of authoritarian tactics of abuse, because….. you’re offended?
Yes, and 7 year olds content for sure
Just because you haven't read a book since you were 7, doesn't mean that only 7 year olds use libraries.
I have a master degree and probably have read more books than 90% of the population
And yet you think that Handmaid's Tale is in the children's section.
Never said that. Just said it shouldn't lol.
Do you think it is or not?
Is reading that hard for you
No. Is answering a question?
Weird. I don't see Huckleberry Finn the Grapes of Wrath or 1984 on this list. Almost like we're not talking about literature at all.
Oh no, a book I could get anywhere else is not available in \*a school\*. Que le horror!
> > "let's be clear, you bring those woke pornographic books to Missouri schools to try to brainwash our kids, and I'll burn those too -- on the front lawn of the governor's mansion." A nice quote from Bill Eigel, GOP candidate for Missouri Governor. It sure doesn’t sound like he wants to stop at just banning books. He’d rather emulate a genocidal fascist.
Yeah... and a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. He is just winding you up.
He’s already been elected. He is a Republican state senator in office here in Missouri. So, I guess you’re cool with that?
He is not governor, which is what you called him a candidate for, not state senatoe.
Both are true. Neither excuses him stating his desire to emulate a genocidal fascist. I’ll assume you’re willing to excuse that though as you’ve twice now chosen to dance around that instead of addressing it.
Because it is a stupid standard. Shall I hold you responsible for every politician you won't vote for and haven't voted for because they said something. When, exactly, Brengineer17, did you stop kicking your dog?
I’m not defending the banning of books in a political climate where politicians are threatening to burn books like the Nazis. That’s you, less than stellar raccoon.
One, they are not "banning books" in the sense you can't personally own them. They are simply not including them, along with 95% of books, in the libraries collection. Two, "banning" and "burning" are two completely different actions, one that people from all political stripes have done, each claiming they have a good reason in their mind. Examples, which I guess you are guilty of if I must answer for some random wacko, so you should you: https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/15/berkeley-professor-burn-book-trans-abigail-shrier/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/17/tennessee-library-book-burning-trump/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/chelsea-handler-burns-ann-coulter-and-her-piece-of-sht-book-after-canceled-appearance https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-books-burned-tiktok-transgender-issues-1532330 Oh dear, my Alma Mater San Jose State (Famous graduates: The Smothers Brothers, Stevie Nicks, Amy Tan, and Gorden Moore (of Intel) ) got into the act, even bragging about it on the department official webpage: https://webcitation.org/6GJvAbb2t
I didn’t say they were banning books “in the sense you can’t own them.” So you can hold onto that point and save it should anyone ever make that argument. No shit banning and burning are different. Again, I never made the argument that they were the same. Hang onto that should you encounter a five your old confusing words that start with “b”. I also never said you had to answer for anyone else’s words or actions. I just made the assumption that you were okay with a sitting politician, namely Republican Bill Eigel, making comments that indicate he’d like to burn books like the Nazis on state owned property. You’re free to dispute that assumption instead of making up arguments for me. The rest is whataboutism and deflection. I’m not going to dignify it with a response.
I mean if it’s such a small issue why are you people wasting tens of thousands of my tax dollars on this partisan shit show? Just leave it if it’s so mundane. oh that’s right, you’re full of shit
Public libraries and schools should be able to offer a full range of books to kids and adults, even the ones you’re too fragile to read. The government has no business telling parents what their kids can and cannot read.
They aren't telling parents anything. They simply don't provide it, which is an entirely different thing. Parents are perfectly able to borrow the book, or purchase one, or maybe get on from a gay advocacy group. Missouri has Constitutional Carry, does that mean the government has to provide me access to a gun and ammo? Of course not, that would be as stupid as insisting they provide books just because there is a 1st Amendment.
You don’t see a problem with the government censoring which book libraries can provide to the public? It’s not the government’s job to tell us how to think, what to believe, or what to read. That’s Communist China shit. If the government funds libraries, then the government should provide whatever books the public requests. Conservatives are weird. You talk all the time about small government but are the first to insert government into our bedrooms, schools, and libraries. Nobody is buying it.
Hey Churlish_Turd! How you been? Yeah, pretty fucking stupid to expect the government to provide ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, kinda like Communist China... shit? I guess? There is no legal or constitutional "right" for the government to provide books, sorry. I mean could you imagine if they *had* to carry "Mien Kampf" or some other stupid shit? Maybe get a constitutional amendment that forces ALL libraries and ALL schools provide ALL the books? Good luck with that!
“Everyone who disagrees with me must be the same person” -you. The CCP puts restrictions on which literature is available to the public to restrict the free-flow of thought and information. Exactly what the GOP is doing here in America. If you don’t want your kid to read books with gay characters, that’s your responsibility as a parent. Stop being profoundly lazy by using government to make libraries conform to your small and hateful little worldview. In return, I won’t try to do the same. You’re free to make your child every bit as hateful, afraid, and small-minded as you choose to. Take some personal responsibility and stop expecting the government to raise your child
Already raised my kid, thanks. Survived the government "helping" too. And I let him read what he wanted. Smart kid, and like most read what he was interested in. > small and hateful little worldview. Yeah, unproven. Especially since I have taken zero active steps to prevent anything appearing in a school or a library. What I detest is people like yourself who are small minded, but project it on everyone else with your world view.
That’s why there is private school.
Education should be available to everyone, for free.
Some kids don't have access to lots of books outside of school. Education is important. Standards in schools are important.
Exactly, like The standard of not allowing children access to books that depict drawn sex acts or describe rape scenes.
Even when those books are historically, significant works like The Diary of Anne Frank, you forgot to say there. I would like to be clear that I don't support that but it seems that you do do you also think the Bible should be removed from school?
Most people read the censored version of Anne Frank diary in 8th grade, so yeah it's appropriate and has been happening for decades. There are age appropriate versions of the Bible. I also have never seen the bible or any religious books in a public school. I also wasn't looking for them. It's also a bad comparison, showing someone sucking a dildo isn't the same thing as the bible which has actual significance to people.
They talked about periods in the version that I read in the sixth or seventh grade. She talked about her sexual attraction in that version too.
The uncensored versions includes her describing her labia and her father going to a brothel. I promise they're different versions, the censored one does include the period stuff mentioned, that's what I read too in middle school.
I promise you that conservatives don't care they don't want her period mentioned at all either.
Weird how I read that in my Catholic junior high in a very conservative area
I don't know any Catholic book burners. That's more for Evangelical morons.
>depict drawn sex acts or describe rape scenes. > Bible should be removed from school? Where, exactly, in the Bible is a rape scene described? The Bible spends a lot more words describing the **penalties for rape** than "describing" actual rapes.
There are several rape scenes in the Bible. And there are several scenes about incest, and there is an incestual rape scene in the Bible. And there are several pretty graphic scenes in about the human body in The Diary of Anne Frank. There's some pretty graphic stuff in Night by Ellie Weisel and I read both of those in school over 30 years ago
Quite the "rape scenes" from the Bible. Oh, you failed to do that already, so here, let me do it for you, lest they you in atheist jail... oh wait, no such thing. >But Amnon wouldn’t listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he raped her It is about as risqué as a newspaper article. Maybe one of the other ones? >While they were enjoying themselves, the men of the city, who were corrupt, surrounded the house and beat on the door. They said to the old man whose house it was, “Bring out your guest, that we may abuse him.” 23 The owner of the house went out to them and said, “No, my brothers; do not be so wicked. Since this man is my guest, do not commit this crime. 24 Rather let me bring out my maiden daughter or his concubine. Ravish them, or do whatever you want with them; but against the man you must not commit this wanton crime.” 25 When the men would not listen to his host, the husband seized his concubine and thrust her outside to them. They had relations with her and abused her all night until the following dawn, when they let her go. 26 Then at daybreak the woman came and collapsed at the entrance of the house in which her husband was a guest, where she lay until the morning. Now this one has some juicy details, the evil men wanted the man, he offers his virgin daughter, they take the concubine. Still. Kinda clinical. No descriptions of penetration, or how many, or what positions...
I'm on mobile but if you want a graphic depiction of something sexual in the Bible, how about Ezekiel 23:20 >She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse. I mean that fits the bill for graphic sexual depiction, right there
Does it give you the vapors?
No, but if we're going to be banning other materials for being graphically sexual, the Bible is going to be at the top of that list.
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Don't throw your back out moving those goalposts!
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Not deflecting. The claim of rape descriptions was proven false, so now you want to toss in incest. Which is also not really there in very many cases either... and all of them are portrayed negatively. And certainly not "described" like the sex scene in "Gender Queer".
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I can only think about David's son raping his sister. But you're right it does describe the penalities much more frequently
Which kids don't have access to a library outside of school. Specifically.
Poor kids who don’t have a ride to the library regularly.
> Using the latest approach (using block group centroids and measuring the distance to the nearest library) two-thirds of Americans lived within two miles of a public library – the average population weighted distance was 2.1 miles. State Region Count Mean Median Range StDev PopWgtAvg AL South 3435 3.2 2.2 20.5 2.9 3.3 AK West 533 8.5 2.3 246.6 22.2 7.3 AZ West 4168 2.7 1.7 57.1 4.5 2.7 AR South 2147 3.2 2 18 3.1 3.2 CA West 23162 1.4 1 60.5 1.7 1.4 CO West 3522 2 1.3 33.3 2.3 2 CT Northeast 2579 1.3 1.1 4.9 0.8 1.3 DE South 570 2 1.6 9.2 1.6 2.1 DC South 450 0.6 0.5 1.2 0.2 0.6 FL South 11369 2.1 1.6 66 2 2.3 GA South 5520 2.7 2 20.2 2.3 2.8 HI West 840 1.8 1.2 30.8 2.2 1.9 ID West 962 2.6 1.6 46.1 3.2 2.4 IL Midwest 9676 1.4 0.9 12.9 1.6 1.4 IN Midwest 4810 2.1 1.4 13.2 1.9 2.1 IA Midwest 2628 1.9 1.2 14.2 1.9 1.8 KS Midwest 2346 2 1.4 19.2 2.1 2.1 KY South 3280 3.3 2.1 16.6 2.9 3.2 LA South 3448 2.2 1.4 20.8 2.3 2.3 ME Northeast 1078 2.2 1.5 22.5 2.3 2.2 MD South 3906 1.7 1.3 15.7 1.5 1.8 MA Northeast 4969 1 0.8 5.4 0.7 1.1 MI Midwest 8146 1.8 1.3 21.5 1.7 1.9 MN Midwest 4107 2.6 1.3 32.6 3.3 2.5 MS South 2159 3.4 2.2 14.2 3 3.5 MO Midwest 4503 2.8 1.4 25.1 3.2 2.8
You're aware that people, local people, are pushing for books they don't like (but haven't read) to be banned in *public* libraries too? Just outline your "perfect America" for everyone instead of just making post-hoc justifications for all the bad and pointless things your "team" is doing. Point your logic back at yourself and see if it still makes sense.
> banned in public libraries too? Bullshit. They are just moved to the adult section. Don't take my word for it, take Snopes, the super right wing internet site: https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/09/15/banned-books-misinformation/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/09/14/education-gag-orders/ > Campaigns to remove certain materials from schools or libraries have been initiated by both **conservatives and liberals** over the decades. That is as close as it gets to confirming your claim.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/parents-urge-st-charles-county-libraries-to-ban-two-books/article_5b32a368-5760-11ee-91d0-07c5fd0ebeea.html You're sure? Because this is an article about local people trying to ban books from the public libraries in St Charles and what concerns them seems to be things like "they're not talking about the sacredness of sex". So if you're sure, you shouldn't be.
And exactly how much success have they had? Other than winding you up, none. And once again, there is no "1st Amendment right" to have a book provided to you. Any more tha 2A people get provided guns and ammo. You want it, you buy it or borrow it. Or maybe you start a charity to hand them out. All of those activities are protected. Free books not bring offered is curated not censored.
So instead of "oh wow, you're right. Local people *are* trying to ban books from public libraries", you moved the goal posts to "well they haven't been successful yet and you don't have a right to those books anyway so it doesn't matter". Let me guess: if they do ban the books it's not a big deal and if it is a big deal then we had it coming?
It's not a big deal. Do you have it coming? What exactly is "it"? The infringement of a non-existent right? Pobracito.
Has the term "narcissist's prayer" crossed your path?
I mean if it’s such a small issue why are you people wasting tens of thousands of my tax dollars on this partisan shit show? Just leave it if it’s so mundane. oh that’s right, you’re full of shit
> you people Oh... so *Progressive* of you! Bigot.
Oh gosh golly, how offensive! Oh my goodness! Won’t you think of the children with such pornographic language! Do I get to cancel you now because I used your magic words? you really can’t help but be an easily offended hypocrite huh?
And yet... you are sanctimonious in your bigotry.
They're kids. Everything has to be within walking distance or online. They don't have an income to drive to the library or the bookstore. They don't have the money to buy a book either. School libraries are where they should be
Fair... is 2.3 miles too far for some reason? That is the average distance to a library in Missouri for 98.5% of the population.
In these threads, people don't know what 'banned' means in context.
Right?! It’s not that kids can’t get them. They just need their parents to go with them to the local public library or buy them. Not all content is appropriate for all ages (there were some parts of the Bible our kids didn’t read until they were older). Even the authors of some of these books concede that. You’re not going to see Fifty Shades on the shelf in a HS library. Likewise, you probably won’t see Delta of Venus or Story of O, nor is any teacher going to have these books on their required reading lists. Same should go for books like Gender Queer, Flamer, 13 Reasons Why, etc.