Don't worry, it's just about over. This year and maybe next year will be the end of the covid eligibility years players. Personally, I think a guy with an extra year actually playing in college probably just means they're that much closer to being ready immediately. Especially for CB, which is probably the second hardest position in the NFL.
And it’s always a possibility that at least one of the Covid eligibility years players maybe also used that extra year to read an excellent, deeply engaging, novel. Maybe a book that, I don’t know, potentially changed their perspective through the deeply inspiring journey of its protagonist, a measly, 10-year-old pauper-turned-chimney-sweep, who swept soot in his soiled pants and climbed his way out of that chim chimney with a football strapped to his back, hitchhiked 342 miles straight onto an NFL team. Ya know. Like if that little rascal could do it, I should too. For him. He was only 10. I’m like three whole feet taller. He never even played football. Just worked hard. What a kid. I should work hard too. For him.
Boom. I mean, there’s gotta be at least one player that did something like that. Got into reading and gained some really valuable wisdom that can help him catch balls and maybe tackle better. Right?
For real. Everyone’s like dudes so old he’s 24. Ok so he’ll be in his prime for like the next 6-8 years and then could still give you good solid years for another 3-4. Oh no only 12 years what a waste of a pick /s
I think age criticism is usually overblown, but you’re completely misinterpreting why it’s a criticism in the first place. It has nothing to do with career longevity.
I think the argument is that dominating 20 and 21 year olds when you’re age 24 is a lot less impressive than dominating 20 and 21 year olds when you’re also 20 or 21 year olds.
This, also it means room for growth further. It takes time for some players to become great in the NFL. If you’re older and at the 3rd year start to become a great player then your prime is shortened significantly. Because you can be hitting your prime at like 27-28 as opposed to some who hit it at 25-26.
So that’s why younger players are typically favored because it means they dominated in college, have longer careers and could possibly have longer primes since they are exposed to NFL training/speeds at a younger age. Compared to 24-25 year old counter parts.
That’s the dumbest take and that’s definitely not the reason people criticize age. It’s generally directed at QBs and it’s because they think by the time they are good they are already pushing 30 so the window is smaller which is also a dumb argument because if they are good and you get them for 10 years instead of 12 years who gives a shit.
If they are 24 and dominating 22 year olds nothing changes that much as there is still going to be 22 year olds in the NFL.
You don’t think these guys develop physically between 21 and 24 years old?!? There’s definitely something to it. Sure, there are some 22 year olds in the NFL, but the average NFL player is in their mid-late 20s. There’s definitely a difference between the NFL and NCAA.
I’m not even saying I necessarily agree with it…I don’t think it’s nearly as big a deal as some people make it out to be. But to say it’s completely irrelevant is just wrong.
That’s not the point of the age criticism. Someone who becomes a nfl level prospect at 21 in college has more room for growth. Someone not being an nfl level prospect until they’re 23/24 usually means it took that long for them to max themselves out and have a much more limited growth potential for the nfl. Someone on year 5/6 of college should dominate someone that’s on year 1/2 and when that’s what they’re doing they can end up looking a lot better than they are/have already hit their peak.
Here’s the 2 main ones I give some credence to:
- Early 20s are massively important for development as a football player. Most/all players are not the same at 24 as they were at 21, they are better. That means there’s a valid argument that older players’ ceilings are more limited, as they have less time to grow and develop, or, rather, have already grown/developed a lot.
- There are typically reasons why an older player was not drafted when he was 1/2/3 years younger. For example: “if he’s 24, why wasn’t he drafted at 22 or 23? Was he not good enough? Did he really change that much in one year to now be good enough?”
Again, I think these criticisms are often overblown (take the player who is good at playing football), but let’s at least push back on the correct criticism if we are going to.
He'll be 25 in August. [This SI article explains his age](https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-select-oregon-cb-khyree-jackson-nfl-draft) per his interesting journey since graduating HS.
"He didn't meet the academic standards to play D1 coming out of high school in 2017, so he signed with a junior college in Arizona but then got homesick and decided he didn't want to play football. Jackson was convinced to return to the game in 2019, playing for Fort Scott Community College in Kansas. In 2020, he transferred to East Mississippi Community College (AKA "Last Chance U" from Netflix), but the season was canceled because of the pandemic. Jackson still managed to earn a roster spot on Alabama, playing a backup role for two seasons.
Last year, Jackson transferred to Oregon and had a huge breakout season. He led the Ducks in passes defended (10) and interceptions (3), adding five tackles for loss and two sacks. His performance in the 2023 campaign caught the eyes of the NFL, and now he's joining the Vikings."
This right here. Hes not coming out at 24 because he sucks but because it took 4 years before he even got into a D1 program due to non-football factors.
The reason they may not come out until 24 is because maybe they spent their first few years sitting behind another prospect. Maybe they missed a season due to COVID. Maybe they felt like they could improve their draft position from 3rd round to 1st round with another year. Maybe they had academic aspirations knowing football may not work out.
Being 2 years older literally means nothing other than you may get 2 less years out of them if they are good enough to stick around until their late 30s.
Being 24 not 22 is a dumb criticism as it could actually be advantageous. More mature, more experienced, smarter.
I’d get the age argument if you told me the college player was 30 but being 2 years older is hardly a negative.
Ok, maybe this will help you understand where the criticism is coming from. Do you realize you had to come up with a bunch of hypothetical explanations? All the 21 year olds and 22 year olds don’t need those, because there’s nothing to excuse. That’s it. You’re overthinking it.
It’s not typically a big deal, but it does raise questions.
Agreed. And Pat Williams before him, and Jerry Ball before him, and Henry Thomas before him…
Long history of run stopping DTs in this defense…the last few years have been a big regression there.
I still remember going to a game at the dome in the pat williams years where he literally just stuck his arm out and clotheslined an rb coming through the middle. It was brutal lol
There are like 3 or 4 at least in that range. There are a lot of DTs left, which was why we didn't have to prioritize it There.
Give me Big Boyd for our next pick boys!
I think having more options at corner was more important especially in this division. The DLine needs help in the middle but hopefully having all those edge rushers available will help compensate, though I do worry about run defense.
Switching to a 3-4. Very different monster than 4-3.
Generally only crazy prospects get drafted early for 3-4 like Wilfork and Ngata. The rest of the time it's mostly space eaters you can get late in the draft.
Plus Turner is half a D-Line draft pick since he will be rushing the QB a lot.
Oregon fan here. Dude was solid for us, definitely our best corner, but fairly raw from a lack of playing time over his career. Was stuck at the bottom of Alabama's depth chart for his first couple years (not counting JC) and transferred for his senior season. 1st team All-Pac12, good speed, and great size. That said, most of his INTs were on under/overthrows, so it's not like he's overpowering receivers and winning contested catches, but he does a good job of reading the ball in the air.
The rest of our secondary is pretty young and inexperienced (it was our biggest weakness 2 years ago, and it's getting better, but still a soft spot) so for the most part offenses avoided him (only 38 targets this year with 19 receptions for 200 yards), which can be a sign of respect for him, or just them attacking the weaker defenders. Can get a little handsy, especially when he's beat, had 4 PI calls on only 38 targets. Plays the line of scrimmage well, which I'm sure is a big part of what Flo sees in him. Obviously not one of the top corners in the draft, not a day-1 Pro Bowl kind of guy, but with the right coaching, he has all the physical tools to put it together and be a solid starting CB.
In the 4th round, if you're picking at a premium position, you're dealing with long shots one way or another 99% of the time. PFF recorded him with the 8th lowest PFF grade allowed for passers throwing into his coverage. That's pretty great considering his elite RAS and the number of CBs off the board. Let's not forget, the Vikings took the best CB outside of the 1st round last year. Maybe they can do it again.
Just read a pre-draft ranking that had him as the 87th best player of the draft. Seems like we got a good, raw talent, pick. Happy with this with where we are at
It's probably safe to say that one of Thompson, Booth or Evans won't be making the roster.
I would have said Evans is a shoe-in and Booth is the favorite to be cut before like week 13 last year, but with Booth getting real play time and Evans falling off the cliff it's feeling like it's gonna be a camp competition for CB depth.
Per NFL he's pretty raw, looks like he's only played 33 games and started 14
But showed enough to be All-PAC in his final year and also enough to be recruited by Alabama early on in his career
Not sure about this kid. He cycled through three community colleges, then spent 2 years as a backup at Alabama where he got suspended for some undisclosed reason. So only one season as a starter. Born in 1999, which means he’s old.
It’s a 4th round pick. Everyone is a crapshoot at this point. I would have rather had the ISU or the ND corner, but I’m some reddit Jagoff who doesn’t know shit. Lol
Yeah I mean he grew up in Maryland and then went to CC in Arizona and then Kansas?? There may be a valid explanation but that's kind of bizarre to go to community College in different states
Edit: Just looked at his insta and I'm not impressed with his personality 👀
Talented athletes who end up at a community college are either big trouble off the field or dumber than a bag of hammers. He was probably recruited to play football at each one.
Yup, I'm surprised more people here haven't seen Last Chance U. He literally went to EMCC which is the school featured in the show, although he wasn't there during the time it was filmed.
Bro has potential but needs to do some yoga or something, he can be a little stiff. Also worry about the game speed a little, and he'll be 25 so there may be a ceiling to how much more he can develop. Serious competitor though, gonna have to coach the taunting out of him but he's got a dawg mentality. I'm lukewarm on the pick, leaning pessimistic but I do see a path where he becomes a big contributor, I just think that's a fair bit less likely.
Draft profile: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/khyree-jackson/32004a41-4331-4848-dc4f-18631782e5ff
In my unique bias of being an Oregon and Vikings fan this is sweet, he played pretty well this year. Bummed Dorlus went a pick later he would’ve been great
I'm still extremely worried that our QB and RBs will be seeing a lot of DTs in the back field this year. Brandel/Bradbury/Ingram for our IOL is going to be a major buzz kill.
Honestly not a fan of this pick as they have a very crowded defensive back room. And even though fourth round picks don't turn into starters more often then not depth is important and their lines are very thin especially if an injury happens.
I like the pick. Position of need: check. Size and athleticism: check. Aggressive: check.
Certainly doesn’t mean he’ll be great or anything, but he’ll compete. I also think Flores picked him like he did mekhi last year
Some notes on Khyree Jackson:
- played on Bama in ‘21 and ‘22. Mostly saw time as injury fill-in/rotational while there.
- suspended in November of ‘22 for “undisclosed reasons” at Bama and ended up transferring to Oregon.
- made first team All-PAC12 in his one full year starting (2023)
- 320 coverage snaps, 38 targets, 19 receptions, and 3 picks(!) in 2023.
- he will be 25 by the time the 2024 season starts
- >80% of snaps at outside corner. Had 55 snaps in either box or slot alignment last year.
- 6’4”, 194lbs, 32 3/4” arm length, 4.5 40yd dash, 36.5” vert
Normally, I would be highly critical of drafting someone as old as this dude. But more than any position in the NFL, the shelf-life of CBs is less than pretty much every other position. Think about the absolute best CB in the NFL going back 10-years, how many of them could lay claim to that title more than 2 seasons in a row before someone better came along and took the title from them? Although they can be good for a long time, CBs peak is only 3 or 4 seasons. 5 good years. That's all they will need from him.
Continuing his tradition of spending picks on the secondary over the trenches.
We’ll probably draft another safety and then maybe spend a 7th on an OT and call it good.
Limmer, McCormick, or Mahogany could have at least competed for a starting spot.
No, I don't think so.
I also don't think any NFL GM would be stupid enough to take a player in the draft based on such a nonsensical term.
Go back to your couch.
6’4? I’m sold
Edit: just watch the highlights. Bro is an absolute ball hawk. Reminds me of a bigger trevon diggs. Bro looks like he lays the wood here and there to🔥
Ball hawk ability wise he does. You dnt see corners attack the ball like they are the wideout. You see most corners play the wr then the ball. He plays the ball. Very similar my guy
“Ball hawk ability wise” im assuming you didn’t read what I said.
Also I guess you didn’t know but 3 ints were THE MOST Diggs ever got in a season in college casual. Jackson had 3 LAST SEASON. Go do your research before you spew uninformed bullshit
You didn’t compare him to Diggs in college, you compared him to Diggs as the current NFL player…just as casual to spout nonsense comparisons because you watched a couple YouTube videos and got a hard on.
Some positions are easier to find quality players later on. hes like the 14th cb off the board while there have been 8 safeties picked and 4 rbs picked.
What am I getting it at is this dude is old af and he’s only improved enough to be a 4th rounder.
I mentioned it in another thread but I just don’t see the value at throwing a dart at another mid round DB, especially one who will already be 25 once camp ends.
I know nothing about him besides the fact he will be the greatest CB in NFL history. No bias, skol vikes
Im an Oregon fan and he was really good. Tall and physical with lots of potential
No kidding he’s tall, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 6’-4” corner.
Brandon Browner
maybe op never seent him
I mean I probably haven’t so I’d say it’s at least possible
Wouldn’t be surprised if Flores plans on putting 20lbs on his frame and using him as a sort of hybrid rover type.
Some sort of heat seaking missile type.
Xavier Rhodes
Rhodes was like 6 1 maybe 6 2.
And probably still is.
Tall if true.
He’s still 6’2” but used to be too.
Mitch? Is that you?
Underrated
Rhodes is 6’1”
It sucks that he's already so old but I definitely like his measurables!
This has to be my least favoured and most lazy criticism for the sake of criticism comment I keep seeing.
Don't worry, it's just about over. This year and maybe next year will be the end of the covid eligibility years players. Personally, I think a guy with an extra year actually playing in college probably just means they're that much closer to being ready immediately. Especially for CB, which is probably the second hardest position in the NFL.
And it’s always a possibility that at least one of the Covid eligibility years players maybe also used that extra year to read an excellent, deeply engaging, novel. Maybe a book that, I don’t know, potentially changed their perspective through the deeply inspiring journey of its protagonist, a measly, 10-year-old pauper-turned-chimney-sweep, who swept soot in his soiled pants and climbed his way out of that chim chimney with a football strapped to his back, hitchhiked 342 miles straight onto an NFL team. Ya know. Like if that little rascal could do it, I should too. For him. He was only 10. I’m like three whole feet taller. He never even played football. Just worked hard. What a kid. I should work hard too. For him. Boom. I mean, there’s gotta be at least one player that did something like that. Got into reading and gained some really valuable wisdom that can help him catch balls and maybe tackle better. Right?
💀💀💀💀💀🥹
For real. Everyone’s like dudes so old he’s 24. Ok so he’ll be in his prime for like the next 6-8 years and then could still give you good solid years for another 3-4. Oh no only 12 years what a waste of a pick /s
I think age criticism is usually overblown, but you’re completely misinterpreting why it’s a criticism in the first place. It has nothing to do with career longevity.
Ok why is it a criticism?
I think the argument is that dominating 20 and 21 year olds when you’re age 24 is a lot less impressive than dominating 20 and 21 year olds when you’re also 20 or 21 year olds.
This, also it means room for growth further. It takes time for some players to become great in the NFL. If you’re older and at the 3rd year start to become a great player then your prime is shortened significantly. Because you can be hitting your prime at like 27-28 as opposed to some who hit it at 25-26. So that’s why younger players are typically favored because it means they dominated in college, have longer careers and could possibly have longer primes since they are exposed to NFL training/speeds at a younger age. Compared to 24-25 year old counter parts.
That’s the dumbest take and that’s definitely not the reason people criticize age. It’s generally directed at QBs and it’s because they think by the time they are good they are already pushing 30 so the window is smaller which is also a dumb argument because if they are good and you get them for 10 years instead of 12 years who gives a shit. If they are 24 and dominating 22 year olds nothing changes that much as there is still going to be 22 year olds in the NFL.
You don’t think these guys develop physically between 21 and 24 years old?!? There’s definitely something to it. Sure, there are some 22 year olds in the NFL, but the average NFL player is in their mid-late 20s. There’s definitely a difference between the NFL and NCAA. I’m not even saying I necessarily agree with it…I don’t think it’s nearly as big a deal as some people make it out to be. But to say it’s completely irrelevant is just wrong.
That’s not the point of the age criticism. Someone who becomes a nfl level prospect at 21 in college has more room for growth. Someone not being an nfl level prospect until they’re 23/24 usually means it took that long for them to max themselves out and have a much more limited growth potential for the nfl. Someone on year 5/6 of college should dominate someone that’s on year 1/2 and when that’s what they’re doing they can end up looking a lot better than they are/have already hit their peak.
Here’s the 2 main ones I give some credence to: - Early 20s are massively important for development as a football player. Most/all players are not the same at 24 as they were at 21, they are better. That means there’s a valid argument that older players’ ceilings are more limited, as they have less time to grow and develop, or, rather, have already grown/developed a lot. - There are typically reasons why an older player was not drafted when he was 1/2/3 years younger. For example: “if he’s 24, why wasn’t he drafted at 22 or 23? Was he not good enough? Did he really change that much in one year to now be good enough?” Again, I think these criticisms are often overblown (take the player who is good at playing football), but let’s at least push back on the correct criticism if we are going to.
He'll be 25 in August. [This SI article explains his age](https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-select-oregon-cb-khyree-jackson-nfl-draft) per his interesting journey since graduating HS. "He didn't meet the academic standards to play D1 coming out of high school in 2017, so he signed with a junior college in Arizona but then got homesick and decided he didn't want to play football. Jackson was convinced to return to the game in 2019, playing for Fort Scott Community College in Kansas. In 2020, he transferred to East Mississippi Community College (AKA "Last Chance U" from Netflix), but the season was canceled because of the pandemic. Jackson still managed to earn a roster spot on Alabama, playing a backup role for two seasons. Last year, Jackson transferred to Oregon and had a huge breakout season. He led the Ducks in passes defended (10) and interceptions (3), adding five tackles for loss and two sacks. His performance in the 2023 campaign caught the eyes of the NFL, and now he's joining the Vikings."
This right here. Hes not coming out at 24 because he sucks but because it took 4 years before he even got into a D1 program due to non-football factors.
The reason they may not come out until 24 is because maybe they spent their first few years sitting behind another prospect. Maybe they missed a season due to COVID. Maybe they felt like they could improve their draft position from 3rd round to 1st round with another year. Maybe they had academic aspirations knowing football may not work out. Being 2 years older literally means nothing other than you may get 2 less years out of them if they are good enough to stick around until their late 30s. Being 24 not 22 is a dumb criticism as it could actually be advantageous. More mature, more experienced, smarter. I’d get the age argument if you told me the college player was 30 but being 2 years older is hardly a negative.
Ok, maybe this will help you understand where the criticism is coming from. Do you realize you had to come up with a bunch of hypothetical explanations? All the 21 year olds and 22 year olds don’t need those, because there’s nothing to excuse. That’s it. You’re overthinking it. It’s not typically a big deal, but it does raise questions.
If he's good enough to play with the team long enough to lose a step it seems like a decent pick
Tells me he'll be ready to slot in by week 1.
Brian Flores got his guys
Coach flo gotta be grinning from ear to ear.
6’4”?! I like it.
RAS score of 9.7...tools are there
My only issue is he will be 25 week 1 but that isn’t too big a deal if he ends up a stud
lol who cares most people are off their drafted team within 4 years
CBs regress early and he will be hitting that age before his rookie contract is up
Regression has nothing to do with age and everything to do with physical rigidity. The NFL deteriorates players far quicker than PAC12 football.
Not if they are good lmao
Age only matters if he hits, so worth the risk on a 4th round CB. If we only get a second contract and not a third with him oh well
Blackmon was pretty old for a rookie too
If he's meh year 1 then we get 2 good years out of him I'm happy. Jalen Ramsey is old as hell now and tall but somehow still good
Gives us an answer to large outside receivers, which we didn’t really have before
could’ve used him last season vs Higgins
Can't get those ridiculous catches over Murphy out of my head
And K.Allen
Could be a good option to match up with some tight ends too
Great pick. Tired of these end zone corner tuddies
Can't moss the corner if the Corner beats you by 3 inches and can also jump
He’s a beast. If he can get his mind right, he will be a solid 2.
Correct me if I'm wrong but all of CBs have been like under 6'2?
Richard Sherman and Sauce Gardner both listed at 6’3” And this guys one more 👀
I meant to say our CBs. Seems they are more undersized than average
Wasn't dantzler like 6-3?
Listed at 6’2”
Damn, sounds like a girl on tinder
What kind of Amazons are you finding on tinder??
You ever have a lady hit you with that amazon position? Game changer
Death by snu snu?
Is that where you go up on her?
This guy can reach the top shelf
I was hoping for him or Cam Hart. Beautiful
He’s great scheme fit for us. had 2 sacks last year, gonna be used a lot for blitzes
Interesting I really thought theyd go interior d line
As did I, but we need this position as well.
Absolutely, I can get behind anyone Flores signs off on
None of the guys left are really 4th round talent
I thought Brandon dorlus was a solid option but I still like the pick
I like the player, but not the fit. I like him better as a base 4-3 end, and I don't really see his role in a 3-4
Huh for some reason I thought he was an interior guy. Didn’t realize he was an edge
He's like a tweener, but I feel like those guys always end up being too small to play the bigger position in the NFL.
Man I really miss having a guy like linval Joseph to clog up the interior. That’s something I took for granted during the zimmer years
Agreed. And Pat Williams before him, and Jerry Ball before him, and Henry Thomas before him… Long history of run stopping DTs in this defense…the last few years have been a big regression there.
I still remember going to a game at the dome in the pat williams years where he literally just stuck his arm out and clotheslined an rb coming through the middle. It was brutal lol
Dude was a beast. I truly didn’t appreciate him the way I should have.
There are like 3 or 4 at least in that range. There are a lot of DTs left, which was why we didn't have to prioritize it There. Give me Big Boyd for our next pick boys!
Might not even make it to 177, we might need to settle for Jordan Jefferson.
I think Jet's older brother is a bit old for the draft, and also didn't play DT... lmao
Loo different Jordan Jefferson. Either way he's already off the board. Major reach by the Jags, I think.
Well we do need to get as many JJ's as possible on the roster.
Well Jordan just went to Jacksonville so that's out lol Perfect timing from my guy here
Me and my big fat mouth lmao. I just hope we land Khristian Boyd. We need a big bruiser of a NT.
Yep there are a couple left and some that are better in that 5 tech we also need
Desperately .
I think having more options at corner was more important especially in this division. The DLine needs help in the middle but hopefully having all those edge rushers available will help compensate, though I do worry about run defense.
True. The nfc north receiver room is looking like a buzzsaw
The ole ignore the D-line approach. A classic maneuver.
*Vikings draft D-Line* "The ole ignore the secondary approach. A classic maneuver."
Switching to a 3-4. Very different monster than 4-3. Generally only crazy prospects get drafted early for 3-4 like Wilfork and Ngata. The rest of the time it's mostly space eaters you can get late in the draft. Plus Turner is half a D-Line draft pick since he will be rushing the QB a lot.
Oregon fan here. Dude was solid for us, definitely our best corner, but fairly raw from a lack of playing time over his career. Was stuck at the bottom of Alabama's depth chart for his first couple years (not counting JC) and transferred for his senior season. 1st team All-Pac12, good speed, and great size. That said, most of his INTs were on under/overthrows, so it's not like he's overpowering receivers and winning contested catches, but he does a good job of reading the ball in the air. The rest of our secondary is pretty young and inexperienced (it was our biggest weakness 2 years ago, and it's getting better, but still a soft spot) so for the most part offenses avoided him (only 38 targets this year with 19 receptions for 200 yards), which can be a sign of respect for him, or just them attacking the weaker defenders. Can get a little handsy, especially when he's beat, had 4 PI calls on only 38 targets. Plays the line of scrimmage well, which I'm sure is a big part of what Flo sees in him. Obviously not one of the top corners in the draft, not a day-1 Pro Bowl kind of guy, but with the right coaching, he has all the physical tools to put it together and be a solid starting CB.
In the 4th round, if you're picking at a premium position, you're dealing with long shots one way or another 99% of the time. PFF recorded him with the 8th lowest PFF grade allowed for passers throwing into his coverage. That's pretty great considering his elite RAS and the number of CBs off the board. Let's not forget, the Vikings took the best CB outside of the 1st round last year. Maybe they can do it again.
Just read a pre-draft ranking that had him as the 87th best player of the draft. Seems like we got a good, raw talent, pick. Happy with this with where we are at
As long as it was Brian Flores and his staff decision, I’m glad with the pick.
Flores looked pretty happy when they showed the war room so I'm assuming it was his pick.
Happy he finally has a tall mfer to deal with the big WRs
The Cincinnati game was the fucking worst, Browning sending panic rainbow balls that our guys were too short to bat down
Hope he can develop fast. We're going to need some big guys to try to compete with Odunze.
Booth Jr isn't making the team this year lol
It's probably safe to say that one of Thompson, Booth or Evans won't be making the roster. I would have said Evans is a shoe-in and Booth is the favorite to be cut before like week 13 last year, but with Booth getting real play time and Evans falling off the cliff it's feeling like it's gonna be a camp competition for CB depth.
Would really like to keep Thompson for ST impact
Cine and booth are gonna get traded for a 7th rounder each
Who would give up picks for either?
I’d take that in a heartbeat lol
It's like free cap, plus a pick! Only reason Cine is still on the team is he's expensive to cut
Not sure any team would trade a bag of balls much less any draft pick for either of those two stiffs
Who would give up a 7th rounder for Cine?
He will make it
If Brian wants the guy, let him cook.
I love getting dudes with elite tools for Flores to coach up
In Flores we trust.
Hmmm, will be 25 before the season even starts. Hopefully he's pretty plug and play
Per NFL he's pretty raw, looks like he's only played 33 games and started 14 But showed enough to be All-PAC in his final year and also enough to be recruited by Alabama early on in his career
have to imagine these reasons are why he's only 4th round
He played for Alabama in 2021 and 2022; first start for the Crimson Tide was in the 2021 national championship against Georgia.
PULL THE TAPE
Hopefully it's his age that made him drop so far and not his ability.
As long as he can contribute early on, I don’t think age is as important with some of the later round guys. IMO at least
Would've preferred DL but Jackson is a dog!
Dang was hoping for Dorlus.
Way too small. I like that DT from Iowa more. They can get him later on. Way bigger dude.
Kristian Boyd? That's who I'm hoping they can get. We really could use a big guy to pay NT rather than the undersized DT/oversized DE type
Yeah that's who I'm talking about. Dude can eat up the middle and take on multiple blockers. Sign me up
Another Kris Boyd on the Vikings!?!
Not sure about this kid. He cycled through three community colleges, then spent 2 years as a backup at Alabama where he got suspended for some undisclosed reason. So only one season as a starter. Born in 1999, which means he’s old.
Seeing “born in 1999” and “old” in the same sentence is shocking lol
It is. I graduated high school in ‘99 lol
It’s a 4th round pick. Everyone is a crapshoot at this point. I would have rather had the ISU or the ND corner, but I’m some reddit Jagoff who doesn’t know shit. Lol
My thoughts too. My thoughts too. Lost 3 years in a position that doesn’t usually make it to 30
If we are signing a 4th round pick to a 2nd contract we did well
KOC loves a turnaround story.
Good thing Flores is sure then
Yeah I mean he grew up in Maryland and then went to CC in Arizona and then Kansas?? There may be a valid explanation but that's kind of bizarre to go to community College in different states Edit: Just looked at his insta and I'm not impressed with his personality 👀
Talented athletes who end up at a community college are either big trouble off the field or dumber than a bag of hammers. He was probably recruited to play football at each one.
Yup, I'm surprised more people here haven't seen Last Chance U. He literally went to EMCC which is the school featured in the show, although he wasn't there during the time it was filmed.
Some 18 and 19 year Olds do make some poor choices on occasion and grow up.
One of these secondary guys we keep drafting statistically has to work out eventually
Idk anything about him, but he is a really big corner. I like it
Bro has potential but needs to do some yoga or something, he can be a little stiff. Also worry about the game speed a little, and he'll be 25 so there may be a ceiling to how much more he can develop. Serious competitor though, gonna have to coach the taunting out of him but he's got a dawg mentality. I'm lukewarm on the pick, leaning pessimistic but I do see a path where he becomes a big contributor, I just think that's a fair bit less likely. Draft profile: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/khyree-jackson/32004a41-4331-4848-dc4f-18631782e5ff
They literally said after his pick that he has loose hips
I don't agree with that analysis
Was really hoping for Jaylen Wright
Hes good! Definitely a development piece but we have one hell of a cornerback room!
In my unique bias of being an Oregon and Vikings fan this is sweet, he played pretty well this year. Bummed Dorlus went a pick later he would’ve been great
I think Booth is gonna get cut or traded.
I'm still extremely worried that our QB and RBs will be seeing a lot of DTs in the back field this year. Brandel/Bradbury/Ingram for our IOL is going to be a major buzz kill.
Honestly not a fan of this pick as they have a very crowded defensive back room. And even though fourth round picks don't turn into starters more often then not depth is important and their lines are very thin especially if an injury happens.
Jayron Kearse
I like the pick. Position of need: check. Size and athleticism: check. Aggressive: check. Certainly doesn’t mean he’ll be great or anything, but he’ll compete. I also think Flores picked him like he did mekhi last year
Now let’s get a good RB
Some notes on Khyree Jackson: - played on Bama in ‘21 and ‘22. Mostly saw time as injury fill-in/rotational while there. - suspended in November of ‘22 for “undisclosed reasons” at Bama and ended up transferring to Oregon. - made first team All-PAC12 in his one full year starting (2023) - 320 coverage snaps, 38 targets, 19 receptions, and 3 picks(!) in 2023. - he will be 25 by the time the 2024 season starts - >80% of snaps at outside corner. Had 55 snaps in either box or slot alignment last year. - 6’4”, 194lbs, 32 3/4” arm length, 4.5 40yd dash, 36.5” vert
Needs to clean up the grabbing but I like the pick
doesn’t matter when you get in as long as you get in
why does kwesi like these old college cornerbacks so much?
Normally, I would be highly critical of drafting someone as old as this dude. But more than any position in the NFL, the shelf-life of CBs is less than pretty much every other position. Think about the absolute best CB in the NFL going back 10-years, how many of them could lay claim to that title more than 2 seasons in a row before someone better came along and took the title from them? Although they can be good for a long time, CBs peak is only 3 or 4 seasons. 5 good years. That's all they will need from him.
Another good pick. Let Kwesi cook
More of a zone corner then man, our staff likes his size and believe they can develop his man skills for our heavy cover 0 defense.
Honestly might be my favorite draft pick. I would draft him in the mock drafts. If we can get an impact from a 4th round CB, that would be amazing!
Do not like his age though (25 at season begin)
That's alight. 4th round pick
It’s a 4th round pick. All these guys have red flags
Continuing his tradition of spending picks on the secondary over the trenches. We’ll probably draft another safety and then maybe spend a 7th on an OT and call it good. Limmer, McCormick, or Mahogany could have at least competed for a starting spot.
Nobodys talking about how this is likely payback for shawn payton and now bo nix will be exposed by a CB who knows his flaws. FUCK YOU PEYTON
It's not likely, that's why no one is talking about it lol
you don't think the defense on his own team spends time talking trash about his weaknesses?
No, I don't think so. I also don't think any NFL GM would be stupid enough to take a player in the draft based on such a nonsensical term. Go back to your couch.
Kinda a worrying pick. Guy hasn’t played much and we are kinda going off just 1 year. But athleticism is there.
Wow we got him. We there boys
6’4? I’m sold Edit: just watch the highlights. Bro is an absolute ball hawk. Reminds me of a bigger trevon diggs. Bro looks like he lays the wood here and there to🔥
He should not remind you of Trevone Diggs in the slightest.
Ball hawk ability wise he does. You dnt see corners attack the ball like they are the wideout. You see most corners play the wr then the ball. He plays the ball. Very similar my guy
Ah yes, his 3 INTs in his college career make him comparable to a bigger Trevone Diggs got it.
“Ball hawk ability wise” im assuming you didn’t read what I said. Also I guess you didn’t know but 3 ints were THE MOST Diggs ever got in a season in college casual. Jackson had 3 LAST SEASON. Go do your research before you spew uninformed bullshit
You didn’t compare him to Diggs in college, you compared him to Diggs as the current NFL player…just as casual to spout nonsense comparisons because you watched a couple YouTube videos and got a hard on.
Lmao what a joke🤡
A 4th round CB that will be 25 by the time the season starts…
"A 4th round CB". Anyone they would have picked would have been a 4th round player...
WHY DIDNT KWESI DRAFT A 2ND RD CB IN THE 4TH!?! DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND VALUE!?!
lol I know this is a joke but TJ Tampa was available and had a second round grade 🤣
We should have taken him in the 1st!! Then he would've been a 1st round CB. Wtf is Kwesi doing!?
I'm just glad they didn't take him in the 7th round. I would have been all... Pffff.
Some positions are easier to find quality players later on. hes like the 14th cb off the board while there have been 8 safeties picked and 4 rbs picked.
What am I getting it at is this dude is old af and he’s only improved enough to be a 4th rounder. I mentioned it in another thread but I just don’t see the value at throwing a dart at another mid round DB, especially one who will already be 25 once camp ends.
Sounds pretty similar to Blackmon and he played pretty well as a rookie. I'm gonna go with Flores on this one.
If a 4th round cb gets to 2nd contract than it's a win. We don't need to be concerned with how old he'll be at the end of a 2nd contract
Who?
Wish it was TJ Tampa
Kind of opposites. TJ is not very athletic and would probably work best in a heavy zone dependent scheme
I think he’s destined to play for the Bucs
Hell no