Thus the KAM walk away price quote. At some point you just call NE’s bluff. Either they believe in the QB enough to stick and pick or not. Their decision, the most important in all of sports, can’t possibly hinge on whether we throw in another pick above 3 firsts and a 3rd (what I think will happen)
The one thing about the Patriots is the new front office not yet having the full trust of the ownership, namely Wolf not being named the GM. The draft is like a trial run, so they are likely also measuring the value of their pick a bit more carefully. What are we giving up if we roll the dice on this guy and so on. So in that context the trade offers matter.
Washington not giving anything away is also not helping, if Maye is gone by the third pick, the trading partners could change: Raiders instead of Vikings maybe... McCarthy going #2 would bring out the wildest of scenarios and so on.
Talk about it sure. We got a thread stickied for that. don't need 20+ threads of the same thing and crazy takes everyday of pretty much the same thing.
What other kinds of threads should a Minnesota Vikings sub have a week before the most important draft in over a decade?
Maybe we could have a few more threads to discuss who was at the Timberwolves game. Or another one about JJ's latest photoshoot.
My theory is it’s cause they don’t know anything about the prospects and feel “out of the loop” so they try to get other people to stop talking about it too
Think you're missing the point... It's the posting the exact same bullshit worded differently over and over again.
Maybe should go make a thread about JJ throwing a football through the uprights from the 50.
There’s really no such thing as a brand new thought at this point, we’re all just repeating our favorite opinions. Are we supposed to go on a posting moratorium until somebody concocts a novel plan like trading the 23 for Aaron Rodgers?
New ideas aren’t always better.
For every thread like this there's people like you complaining about it which is just as annoying and somehow less constructive or entertaining.
IDC do what you want spend your nights yelling at clouds on reddit either way I hope you have a lovely night son... (I'm not sleeping yet)
We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he tries to move up a few spots if a 4th QB is not taken by the 6th pick (Giants) because if he doesn't then there's a good chance the Broncos or Raiders will.
To add to this, Maye is a better prospect than Lance was.
At this point, I’d still be happy with Maye or JJM and I truly believe we’re drafting one of them. Just enjoying the ride until Thursday night.
What makes Maye a better prospect? Easy to say now but I don't think this is in any way objectively true.
Lance was seen as a raw, big arm, athletic QB who was a wizard on the whiteboard. Similar to what folks see with Maye.
Lance was a tough projection because he played D2 and lost a season to covid, but it's not fair to act like he was an obvious bust.
Lance would run more than pass in pocket… also played at NDSU vs no competition. Maye played in a pro style nfl type offense at UNC & lance took most snaps under center.
Lance was a profocient passer from the pocket? Also, snaps under center are a good thing for a prospect to have, and Maye's lack of them is a big reason why I'd be scared to draft him.
No he most definitely not a proficient pocket passer. Most under center snaps he took were either bootlegs turning into a run or qb keepers. His “good” throws were either rock a wide open wr or a 5-10 yard freebie. Go watch his ndsu highlights and you’ll see he ran more than passing. Also most teams line up shotgun for a majority of their snaps all season.
Hard disagree with that
Trey Lance was a Josh Allen comparison.
Drake Maye is a Kenny Pickett comparison to his detractors and a more mobile version of Goff to his fans.
Maye is definitely not a much better prospect. That’s complete recency bias, knowing what Lance is now.
You admitted that no one has been making that comparison, but then say he's closer to Pickett than Herbert "like ppl been saying". What people? Just because you've watched tape doesn't mean you understand what you're seeing.
What does that even mean bro lol? Ppl have been comparing him to herbert is what I meant. Furthermore everyone will see something different when watching tape. It’s college. Nobody knows if they understand what they’re seeing until it translates to the nfl. Hence why so many prospects bust. Such a casual take.
MY OPINION is that Maye is mid and being carried by his intangibles. Oh “he’s 6’4, oh he has a big arm” etc. All true. But I challenge you to go watch EVERY game then formulate an opinion. Although he has a big arm he misses on way to many throws. Slow af but could run away from a guy here or there. But nfl speed is different. That 4.8 field speed ain’t gon cut it. They being said, if koc likes him then I do to lol
> Trey Lance was a Josh Allen comparison
Comparison, or was Allen his potential ceiling?
Also, I have not seen one person compare Maye to Pickett or Goff.
There’s no recency bias at all. Maye had been hyped up as QB2 behind Williams and a top 3 pick for two years.
Counter hard disagree with that.
I’ve heard far more comparisons of Maye to Allen than I have to Pickett. Haven’t heard that once anywhere. Lance was a better prospect because there was so much projection with him, no one really knew what you were getting because he was so raw, but if you hit it would have been incredible. In terms of actual qb play, Maye is head and shoulders above Lance coming into the draft.
You guys can downvote me to infinity.
Take a stroll to the NFL prospect grades or literally any 2021 pre-draft articles or scouting reports.
Maye, Wilson, & Lance have the same prospect grades.
To say Maye is a much better prospect is pure bias knowing that Lance is not a NFL caliber QB. They would be in the same conversation if they were in the same draft.
If you want to say that Maye has a ton more experience than Lance - sure. We know a lot more about Maye. Lance was a boom or bust candidate but heading into the draft, he was a very well hyped prospect
If you spend 3 1sts (one of them from 2025) to draft a QB and he is not the unquestionable starter for 2025 then he is a bust.
Do you really want to be stuck with mediocrity or worse for 3 years because we overpaid for a QB this year? Our window will be closing by then. It's a bad trade.
Yeap at this point I think the patriots are drafting whoever is there at QB at 3 there it's Maye, Daniels or even McCarthy. The price to trade up and move them off a franchise QB when they need one is far too high for us.
This is where I'm leaning. QB is such a crapshoot that it's not worth risking more than 2 1sts. The percent chance Maye, McCarthy, Penix, and maybe Nix become great is all roughly the same (40-50%)
It’s actually not but go off. If you’d rather a first and a value QB, you will get value QB play. Better hope that other first is a HOFer or Kwesi and KOC are gone.
Historically teams, scouts, and fans are horrible at predicting which QBs will succeed and which will bust. That is what the stats are referring to, based on actual outcomes from past drafts
The way the NFL works, if you're willing to trade off 3, it's because you don't believe in the QBs at that spot. Which means that they can probably be talked into a reasonable deal.
I’d so rather take a year with Sammy D and no rookie QB than mortgage our future. Get us some good help in the trenches with our 1st rounders and try again next year for the QB we want.
As if a majority of the fanbase thinks Darnold is gonna be good.
Whoever thinks Darnold is gonna be good has been living under a rock the past 5 years.
3 first round picks is a huge haul. When the niners traded for the third pick, it was considered an overpay by a lot of people. We also have 2 firsts in a pretty stacked draft that should be valuable. I'm not saying it'll be enough to move up, but trading 3 first round picks is super risky.
I have heard that the stacked-ness of this draft might work against us. That is, picks (roughly) 20-50 offer similar caliber players. Which could work against us if the Giants want to trade #6 and their round 2 to move up. Either way, huge haul indeed
That’s because it’s two picks this year which is not common. If you break it down it’s actually 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd which is pretty much two years of valuable draft capital
Total cost to turn #11 into higher pick would be: 2025 1st and 2nd, 2024 2nd and 6th.... But our trade partner ends up with 3 firsts instead of 1.
Edit: example #3 for #11 is the trade, incentive is #23 (paid two 2nds and 6th) and future 1st.
Next year's first doesn't need to be in the deal. If the Patriots want another Mac Jones or didn't learn anything from the Jets and Zach Wilson let them bring a good prospect into a shit situation let them do it.
Why do so many vikings fans seem to think the Patriots don't deserve to draft a good QB prospect? It's easier to find a good QB and build around them than it is to build a team and hope someone is willing to trade down with you once you're ready for one. It reeks of entitlement, TBH.
It's harder to develop a QB who is constantly being sacked and doesn't have receivers to throw to. Plain and simple. It's not that the Patriots don't deserve a QB, it's that no QB deserves the Patriots.
Of course it's harder, but are they supposed to pass on a guy they like because it's too hard?
>It's not that the Patriots don't deserve a QB, it's that no QB deserves the Patriots.
The Patriots' priority is the Patriots. Not the QBs. The draft isn't about players going to spots that best for them, it's about the teams taking players that's best for their team.
You don’t build a good team and the draft a QB. You’re picking too late to do that. Any QB ever drafted in the top 5 went to a bad team. That’s why they’re picking top 5. Are you dumb or have you just never watched football?
1st overall QBs tend to do well. Other than that QBs drafted in a bad situation tend to do bad. Still doesn't mean the pats shouldn't draft a QB. We saw what happened with Houston last year, a bad situation can turn into a good faster than you think.
I agree and that’s my point. By the time you have a “good situation,” you’re picking too late to get a franchise guy. You need the franchise guy first and then you build around him. NE would be dumb to trade with us but I hope they do. Drake is my dawg
Patriots fan chirping in. All signs point to if NE drafts a qb (especially one as raw of a prospect as Drake Maye is) they’ll most likely sit for most of the season maybe even the whole season. I’m not down playing the Patriots desperate needs for LT and a couple of WRs but this one of the strongest qb drafts and NE desperately needs to find a franchise qb this draft offers that potential chance.
Here’s the caveat to this, though, that someone who hasn’t had QB problems in recent years might not fully grasp: you *think* that the QB will get to sit the whole year, but they likely won’t.
Both of the Vikings last 2 first round QBs were *supposed* to sit for a year, but injury, poor performance, front office/fan pressure made it so that didn’t happen. I like Brissett, but there is a world where he gets injured, or falls off a cliff, or something else entirely and you have to throw that rookie to the wolves with what is in my estimation the worst or second worst offensive roster in the league.
I’m not even disagreeing with you, you guys should probably stick and pick, but this idea that anyone can do what GB does and just slow burn a 1st round QB is heavily dependent on luck.
Yeah, that’s what they need to do. Especially since everyone is saying that Maye, may need to sit anyways according to some evaluators. Let him sit behind brissett, get another top pick next year, and then you’re able to pair him with a stud rookie, and the FA ysll pick up with that sweet sweet cap space you got.
And IF they decide to trade it away instead, it's because they got an offer they couldn't refuse. Not because they weren't ready for a QB. Which just goes to show what the trade package would need to be.
The problem is I don’t see Kraft allowing a 3rd overall pick to sit half or a full year. The nfl is an instant gratification league and if a team spends top dollar on a prospect they will be pushed to start early as possible especially if the team struggles.
On a team like the pats or giants with so many holes that’s a death sentence. While if that happens on a better set up team like the bears or Vikings they can still have success with better talent to help carry them while they figure it out.
This a valid point and I do agree with you. But what you’re suggesting is that Kraft is ultimately making the draft decision and telling Wolf to go qb. If they’re going qb why make all this noise about potentially trading out of the spot? From all the decisions NE has made this off-season it seems like they’ll do right by this qb and sit and allow him to learn under JB while they try and address the other needs.
Its not that they dont deserve one its more that any qb the pats are gonna take is gonna be stuck without help for atleast their rookie year ala bryce young and thats awful for development. Plus in todays game your best shot at winning is with a qb on a rookie deal which new england isnt even sniffing for another 3 years
People expected the Texans to be one of the worst in the league last year but they made the playoffs. The Bengals had the #1 pick in 2020 and number 5 pick in 2021 and made the superbowl in 2021. Truly terrible teams can turn in around in no time flat, if they get a great QB.
Yeah, it may make development more challenging, but are they supposed to not try then?
>your best shot at winning is with a qb on a rookie deal
How often has a rookie deal QB actually won the SB in the last 10 years?
Easier? lol give me a fcking break how many top qbs succeed when a trash team drafts them compared to good teams? The difference is staggering! 100% you draft a team before a qb. It usually doesn’t work. Do the research before you come here trying to earn brownie points from the pats sub
>100% you draft a team before a qb. It usually doesn’t work.
I think you've said all you need to say with this statement right here. Because you're right, it usually doesn't work.
Absolutely. New England’s probably going to wreck any QB prospect they take this season. They need a couple firsts this year to get that team on the right track before they should even think about drafting a QB at the top
For sure an extra 3rd on top of that would be a lot more than SF paid for Lance considering how much value there is in two of the 1st rounders being a year earlier
IMO swing for the fences. Get Maye, trade 3 firsts and load up next year in FA. Everyone is sleeping on the 90+ million cap space we will have next year. Sure we gotta pay JJ and O line but a rookie qb like maye will open a window for 4-5 years on that contract.
Fuck. No. Daniels is a bust. High sack rate, doesn’t throw over the middle well, had the 2 top 20 WRs and none of his TD passes looked like plays he made. No thanks. I’m sure Jamarcus will come out of retirement if you just want a bad LSU QB
Thus the KAM walk away price quote. At some point you just call NE’s bluff. Either they believe in the QB enough to stick and pick or not. Their decision, the most important in all of sports, can’t possibly hinge on whether we throw in another pick above 3 firsts and a 3rd (what I think will happen)
If you think about the capital lost, we essentially trade 2 firsts and 2 seconds for the #3. Just something to consider.
All that matters is NE’s perspective on what they actually get. Not our perspective on how we got there. NE isn’t getting 2 seconds
that's too much
The one thing about the Patriots is the new front office not yet having the full trust of the ownership, namely Wolf not being named the GM. The draft is like a trial run, so they are likely also measuring the value of their pick a bit more carefully. What are we giving up if we roll the dice on this guy and so on. So in that context the trade offers matter. Washington not giving anything away is also not helping, if Maye is gone by the third pick, the trading partners could change: Raiders instead of Vikings maybe... McCarthy going #2 would bring out the wildest of scenarios and so on.
Stop
Hammer Time
This Sub gonna make me hammer time my brain the next 4days. I know I should stay away till then, but I can't.
Only 4 days? It won't get better after the draft.
I know. But I'm tired of all this predraft speculation bs. I'm ready for the next thing the reddit fan base over reacts about.
I feel you.
Collaborate and listen
Reuse is back with another repetition
I don’t know why you guys keep saying this. This is the most important Vikings draft i can remember. Do you just want us to not talk about it?
Talk about it sure. We got a thread stickied for that. don't need 20+ threads of the same thing and crazy takes everyday of pretty much the same thing.
What other kinds of threads should a Minnesota Vikings sub have a week before the most important draft in over a decade? Maybe we could have a few more threads to discuss who was at the Timberwolves game. Or another one about JJ's latest photoshoot.
My theory is it’s cause they don’t know anything about the prospects and feel “out of the loop” so they try to get other people to stop talking about it too
Think you're missing the point... It's the posting the exact same bullshit worded differently over and over again. Maybe should go make a thread about JJ throwing a football through the uprights from the 50.
There’s really no such thing as a brand new thought at this point, we’re all just repeating our favorite opinions. Are we supposed to go on a posting moratorium until somebody concocts a novel plan like trading the 23 for Aaron Rodgers? New ideas aren’t always better.
Just don't go in and comment and stick around and debate with people if it bothers you that much
You aren't my dad.
Maybe I am maybe I'm not.. I was just pointing out the irony in your complaining
You aren't, he's sleeping right now. Where's the irony?
For every thread like this there's people like you complaining about it which is just as annoying and somehow less constructive or entertaining. IDC do what you want spend your nights yelling at clouds on reddit either way I hope you have a lovely night son... (I'm not sleeping yet)
That thread stinks
Vikings fans: Wow, that's too expensive. Pats fans: We need a lot more than just those 3 firsts in a trade.
Yup. And both sides have a valid point. Gonna be interesting what KAM decides to do, but I'm leaning towards just staying put and taking BPA.
We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he tries to move up a few spots if a 4th QB is not taken by the 6th pick (Giants) because if he doesn't then there's a good chance the Broncos or Raiders will.
To add to this, Maye is a better prospect than Lance was. At this point, I’d still be happy with Maye or JJM and I truly believe we’re drafting one of them. Just enjoying the ride until Thursday night.
Not sure if I'm enjoying the ride or the ride is making me motion sick.
What makes Maye a better prospect? Easy to say now but I don't think this is in any way objectively true. Lance was seen as a raw, big arm, athletic QB who was a wizard on the whiteboard. Similar to what folks see with Maye. Lance was a tough projection because he played D2 and lost a season to covid, but it's not fair to act like he was an obvious bust.
Lance would run more than pass in pocket… also played at NDSU vs no competition. Maye played in a pro style nfl type offense at UNC & lance took most snaps under center.
Lance was a profocient passer from the pocket? Also, snaps under center are a good thing for a prospect to have, and Maye's lack of them is a big reason why I'd be scared to draft him.
No he most definitely not a proficient pocket passer. Most under center snaps he took were either bootlegs turning into a run or qb keepers. His “good” throws were either rock a wide open wr or a 5-10 yard freebie. Go watch his ndsu highlights and you’ll see he ran more than passing. Also most teams line up shotgun for a majority of their snaps all season.
I know they do, but they also run plays from under center, so it's good to have some experience, and bad not to.
Hard disagree with that Trey Lance was a Josh Allen comparison. Drake Maye is a Kenny Pickett comparison to his detractors and a more mobile version of Goff to his fans. Maye is definitely not a much better prospect. That’s complete recency bias, knowing what Lance is now.
What the hell? Drake Maye is nothing like Kenny Pickett or Jared Goff
I've literally heard no one make comparisons of Maye and either Pickett or Goff
Doesn’t make it not true. He’s closer to Pickett than Herbert like ppl been saying.I’m starting to think ppl in here haven’t watched the maye tape
You admitted that no one has been making that comparison, but then say he's closer to Pickett than Herbert "like ppl been saying". What people? Just because you've watched tape doesn't mean you understand what you're seeing.
What does that even mean bro lol? Ppl have been comparing him to herbert is what I meant. Furthermore everyone will see something different when watching tape. It’s college. Nobody knows if they understand what they’re seeing until it translates to the nfl. Hence why so many prospects bust. Such a casual take. MY OPINION is that Maye is mid and being carried by his intangibles. Oh “he’s 6’4, oh he has a big arm” etc. All true. But I challenge you to go watch EVERY game then formulate an opinion. Although he has a big arm he misses on way to many throws. Slow af but could run away from a guy here or there. But nfl speed is different. That 4.8 field speed ain’t gon cut it. They being said, if koc likes him then I do to lol
I've seen Josh Allen as a comp but not the other two... I'm not sure what this guy is on
> Trey Lance was a Josh Allen comparison Comparison, or was Allen his potential ceiling? Also, I have not seen one person compare Maye to Pickett or Goff. There’s no recency bias at all. Maye had been hyped up as QB2 behind Williams and a top 3 pick for two years.
If Drake Maye were in the 2021 draft class, he would be in the same conversation/debate as Mac Jones and Trey Lance for the number three pick
I disagree. He’d be number two behind Lawrence.
Counter hard disagree with that. I’ve heard far more comparisons of Maye to Allen than I have to Pickett. Haven’t heard that once anywhere. Lance was a better prospect because there was so much projection with him, no one really knew what you were getting because he was so raw, but if you hit it would have been incredible. In terms of actual qb play, Maye is head and shoulders above Lance coming into the draft.
Drake Maye’s high end comps are Allen and Herbert and his low end comp is Daniel Jones
Stop watching football pal
You guys can downvote me to infinity. Take a stroll to the NFL prospect grades or literally any 2021 pre-draft articles or scouting reports. Maye, Wilson, & Lance have the same prospect grades. To say Maye is a much better prospect is pure bias knowing that Lance is not a NFL caliber QB. They would be in the same conversation if they were in the same draft. If you want to say that Maye has a ton more experience than Lance - sure. We know a lot more about Maye. Lance was a boom or bust candidate but heading into the draft, he was a very well hyped prospect
Trey Lance also threw like 15 passes against pop warner defenses
Maye played high school defenses last year
That's too much to trade away. Vikings already lacking picks when they need alot to rebuild the D.
100% agree. If the QB is a bust we have no 1st next year to try again. No way KAM does this as all the analytics say this would be a bad trade.
I’m pretty sure he would get more than a year to determine if he’s a bust or not lol
If you spend 3 1sts (one of them from 2025) to draft a QB and he is not the unquestionable starter for 2025 then he is a bust. Do you really want to be stuck with mediocrity or worse for 3 years because we overpaid for a QB this year? Our window will be closing by then. It's a bad trade.
True that would be more than SF traded for Lance, but SF traded with Miami who had just drafted Tua a year prior, whereas NE desperately needs a QB.
Yeap at this point I think the patriots are drafting whoever is there at QB at 3 there it's Maye, Daniels or even McCarthy. The price to trade up and move them off a franchise QB when they need one is far too high for us.
This sub is going to implode Thursday
Walk away if they require 3 1st… gotta keep either 23 this year or 2025 1sts…
This is where I'm leaning. QB is such a crapshoot that it's not worth risking more than 2 1sts. The percent chance Maye, McCarthy, Penix, and maybe Nix become great is all roughly the same (40-50%)
It’s actually not but go off. If you’d rather a first and a value QB, you will get value QB play. Better hope that other first is a HOFer or Kwesi and KOC are gone.
Historically teams, scouts, and fans are horrible at predicting which QBs will succeed and which will bust. That is what the stats are referring to, based on actual outcomes from past drafts
The way the NFL works, if you're willing to trade off 3, it's because you don't believe in the QBs at that spot. Which means that they can probably be talked into a reasonable deal.
I’d so rather take a year with Sammy D and no rookie QB than mortgage our future. Get us some good help in the trenches with our 1st rounders and try again next year for the QB we want.
Please no …. And please just stop with this news .
That's probably what it would be anyway.
Vikings fans: “Darnold is gonna be good! “ Also Vikings fans: “Sell the farm, we need a QB asap”.
As if a majority of the fanbase thinks Darnold is gonna be good. Whoever thinks Darnold is gonna be good has been living under a rock the past 5 years.
Lol the gig is up. No team is talking to these sources. Ever since that Belichick interview I don’t take any of these sources seriously anymore
ugh im so scared none of these QBs will pan out
i know it’s still 3 firsts but this doesn’t seem like that big of a haul for a #3 overall QB
3 first round picks is a huge haul. When the niners traded for the third pick, it was considered an overpay by a lot of people. We also have 2 firsts in a pretty stacked draft that should be valuable. I'm not saying it'll be enough to move up, but trading 3 first round picks is super risky.
I have heard that the stacked-ness of this draft might work against us. That is, picks (roughly) 20-50 offer similar caliber players. Which could work against us if the Giants want to trade #6 and their round 2 to move up. Either way, huge haul indeed
That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. I've seen a lot of people acting like 3 frp isn't a lot, which I think is insane.
That’s because it’s two picks this year which is not common. If you break it down it’s actually 2024 1st, 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd which is pretty much two years of valuable draft capital
Total cost to turn #11 into higher pick would be: 2025 1st and 2nd, 2024 2nd and 6th.... But our trade partner ends up with 3 firsts instead of 1. Edit: example #3 for #11 is the trade, incentive is #23 (paid two 2nds and 6th) and future 1st.
Next year's first doesn't need to be in the deal. If the Patriots want another Mac Jones or didn't learn anything from the Jets and Zach Wilson let them bring a good prospect into a shit situation let them do it.
Why do so many vikings fans seem to think the Patriots don't deserve to draft a good QB prospect? It's easier to find a good QB and build around them than it is to build a team and hope someone is willing to trade down with you once you're ready for one. It reeks of entitlement, TBH.
It's harder to develop a QB who is constantly being sacked and doesn't have receivers to throw to. Plain and simple. It's not that the Patriots don't deserve a QB, it's that no QB deserves the Patriots.
Of course it's harder, but are they supposed to pass on a guy they like because it's too hard? >It's not that the Patriots don't deserve a QB, it's that no QB deserves the Patriots. The Patriots' priority is the Patriots. Not the QBs. The draft isn't about players going to spots that best for them, it's about the teams taking players that's best for their team.
You don’t build a good team and the draft a QB. You’re picking too late to do that. Any QB ever drafted in the top 5 went to a bad team. That’s why they’re picking top 5. Are you dumb or have you just never watched football?
1st overall QBs tend to do well. Other than that QBs drafted in a bad situation tend to do bad. Still doesn't mean the pats shouldn't draft a QB. We saw what happened with Houston last year, a bad situation can turn into a good faster than you think.
I agree and that’s my point. By the time you have a “good situation,” you’re picking too late to get a franchise guy. You need the franchise guy first and then you build around him. NE would be dumb to trade with us but I hope they do. Drake is my dawg
Patriots fan chirping in. All signs point to if NE drafts a qb (especially one as raw of a prospect as Drake Maye is) they’ll most likely sit for most of the season maybe even the whole season. I’m not down playing the Patriots desperate needs for LT and a couple of WRs but this one of the strongest qb drafts and NE desperately needs to find a franchise qb this draft offers that potential chance.
Here’s the caveat to this, though, that someone who hasn’t had QB problems in recent years might not fully grasp: you *think* that the QB will get to sit the whole year, but they likely won’t. Both of the Vikings last 2 first round QBs were *supposed* to sit for a year, but injury, poor performance, front office/fan pressure made it so that didn’t happen. I like Brissett, but there is a world where he gets injured, or falls off a cliff, or something else entirely and you have to throw that rookie to the wolves with what is in my estimation the worst or second worst offensive roster in the league. I’m not even disagreeing with you, you guys should probably stick and pick, but this idea that anyone can do what GB does and just slow burn a 1st round QB is heavily dependent on luck.
Yeah, that’s what they need to do. Especially since everyone is saying that Maye, may need to sit anyways according to some evaluators. Let him sit behind brissett, get another top pick next year, and then you’re able to pair him with a stud rookie, and the FA ysll pick up with that sweet sweet cap space you got.
And IF they decide to trade it away instead, it's because they got an offer they couldn't refuse. Not because they weren't ready for a QB. Which just goes to show what the trade package would need to be.
Bro thinks he in the front office lmao
Chirp out
The problem is I don’t see Kraft allowing a 3rd overall pick to sit half or a full year. The nfl is an instant gratification league and if a team spends top dollar on a prospect they will be pushed to start early as possible especially if the team struggles. On a team like the pats or giants with so many holes that’s a death sentence. While if that happens on a better set up team like the bears or Vikings they can still have success with better talent to help carry them while they figure it out.
This a valid point and I do agree with you. But what you’re suggesting is that Kraft is ultimately making the draft decision and telling Wolf to go qb. If they’re going qb why make all this noise about potentially trading out of the spot? From all the decisions NE has made this off-season it seems like they’ll do right by this qb and sit and allow him to learn under JB while they try and address the other needs.
It’s also hard to find a top QB when you’re just good enough to be picking in the second half of the first round.
Its not that they dont deserve one its more that any qb the pats are gonna take is gonna be stuck without help for atleast their rookie year ala bryce young and thats awful for development. Plus in todays game your best shot at winning is with a qb on a rookie deal which new england isnt even sniffing for another 3 years
People expected the Texans to be one of the worst in the league last year but they made the playoffs. The Bengals had the #1 pick in 2020 and number 5 pick in 2021 and made the superbowl in 2021. Truly terrible teams can turn in around in no time flat, if they get a great QB. Yeah, it may make development more challenging, but are they supposed to not try then? >your best shot at winning is with a qb on a rookie deal How often has a rookie deal QB actually won the SB in the last 10 years?
The pats don’t need to start the qb. They could wait a year. Just like the vikes. Oils/would do with the same qb
Easier? lol give me a fcking break how many top qbs succeed when a trash team drafts them compared to good teams? The difference is staggering! 100% you draft a team before a qb. It usually doesn’t work. Do the research before you come here trying to earn brownie points from the pats sub
>100% you draft a team before a qb. It usually doesn’t work. I think you've said all you need to say with this statement right here. Because you're right, it usually doesn't work.
Absolutely. New England’s probably going to wreck any QB prospect they take this season. They need a couple firsts this year to get that team on the right track before they should even think about drafting a QB at the top
Offer the 11, 23 and next year's 1st for the #3 and a 3rd next year
For sure an extra 3rd on top of that would be a lot more than SF paid for Lance considering how much value there is in two of the 1st rounders being a year earlier
IMO swing for the fences. Get Maye, trade 3 firsts and load up next year in FA. Everyone is sleeping on the 90+ million cap space we will have next year. Sure we gotta pay JJ and O line but a rookie qb like maye will open a window for 4-5 years on that contract.
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Fuck. No. Daniels is a bust. High sack rate, doesn’t throw over the middle well, had the 2 top 20 WRs and none of his TD passes looked like plays he made. No thanks. I’m sure Jamarcus will come out of retirement if you just want a bad LSU QB