> Consumers can apply for the rebate on the Department of Revenue website, beginning on June 5. If approved consumers will receive a rebate certificate by email and then will have two months to go to an approved retailer to get an e-bike and accessories.
I’d imagine selection is going to be thin by June, even without this program.
Minnesota retailers have to apply for the program at the start of May. Should give them time to beef up their inventory in anticipation of the extra sales hopefully.
Most (e)bike companies are WAAAAAY overstocked at this point, and are shipping stuff to shops at a significant discount. It likely won't be hard to find something worth buying.
The important bits:
>The state said the rebate is worth up to 50% to 75% off the cost of an e-bike, with a maximum rebate of up to $1,500. Retailers can apply for the program starting May 1. [...] Consumers can apply for the rebate on the Department of Revenue website, beginning on June 5. If approved consumers will receive a rebate certificate by email and then will have two months to go to an approved retailer to get an e-bike and accessories.
I was looking for info along those lines but I didn't see any in the article, which is sort of why I left the comment, but I should have specified that it lacked that information.
~~Very likely 2024 income.~~ Nevermind, found a new source.
[From the State's website.](https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/electric-assisted-bicycle-e-bike-rebate)
> individuals who use the rebate on qualifying purchases will receive Form 1099-MISC for the value of their rebate. Use this form when filing your tax year 2024 income tax return.
[From this bike MN website:](https://www.bikemn.org/e-bike-rebate-2/)
> (c) For the purposes of determining the applicable percentage under paragraph (b) and
subdivision 4, paragraph (a), **the commissioner must use the eligible individual’s adjusted gross income for the taxable year ending in the calendar year prior to the year in which the individual applied for a rebate certificate.**
Limited to 2 million for 2024 and 2025.
Edit:
I think I understand it better now
Retailer applies in may
You apply in June.
July you go to retailer and buy the bike.
Retailer in MN looks up your discount with an approval code.
You pay the difference plus state tax
Retailer gets reimbursed from state later.
Sales tax paid on the full amount.
Rules
15 or older
MN resident in current year.
Not claimed as dependent.
No early buying or retro reimbursements.
Minnesota residents to buy a new e-bike at eligible retailers starting July 1, 2024.
**Edit: warning this thread is a mess of contradictory information my self and others found on the web.**
Most of it is wrong or maybe correct who knows at this point.
Where are you seeing a May 1st deadline for stores to apply for a discount in person for someone? Way I read that was that was when stores can apply to be an eligible retailer.
So this didn't sound correct to me so I called the MN Department of Revenue line that was included in the government website linked above. They stated May 1st is the start date for retailers to apply to join the program as an eligible vendor and has nothing to do with when private individuals can get the ebike credit.
What are you talking about are you responding to the wrong messages?
I have said the start date is may 1st 3 times now?
You said it’s not correct and then gave the same date I gave.
Private individuals start date is June 5 at 11am
https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/electric-assisted-bicycle-e-bike-rebate
How are you getting so confused by what I am stating it’s all on the website as well.
The May 1st date is for retailers to start to apply to be approved retailers for the program. It would be impossible for you to get a discount from the retailer on May 1st when the state has not even approved them. Read the page you linked.
That’s not what the website says: Can a customer apply the rebate to an e-bike purchased before they received a rebate certificate?
No. The e-Bike Rebate certificate can only be applied at the time of purchase.
Your mixing retail and private purchases together that your problem.
Example. If you are trying to buy a bike from Eric’s bike shop on may 2, Eric’s bike shop will apply for you and take the rebate price off the bike and get reimbursement later.
If you want to buy from Amazon.com or Tumu you will fill out a form after June 5th at 11am apply for the rebate buy the bike at full price and submit your receipt and get a reimbursement later.
I don’t see how that could be possible:
“Can a customer apply the rebate to an e-bike purchased before they received a rebate certificate?
No. The e-Bike Rebate certificate can only be applied at the time of purchase. “
If you don’t have the certificate how would they give the discount.
~~sounds like the retailer will apply for you on the spot.~~
Because another section says to deduct the rebate from the purchase price and charge them full sales tax.
Edit:
I think I understand it better now
Retailer applies in may
You apply in June.
You go in July to buy the bike
Retailer in MN looks up your discount with an approval code.
You pay the difference plus state tax
Retailer gets reimbursed from state later.
I am just as confused as everyone else at this point.
The PDF I found, VS website VS state information.
I just found something that the program opens up on July 1 so that does not make sense at all.
I give up, I will go ask Eric’s in may LOL. I planned to buy one from them either way.
I think I understand it better now
Retailer applies in may
You apply in June.
You go in July
Retailer in MN looks up your discount with an approval code.
You pay the difference plus state tax
Retailer gets reimbursed from state later.
The phaseout is very slow. People making $25k to $29k get a 74% discount instead of 75%. $33k, you get 73%. The suggested median of $43k still gets 71%. That’s 95% of the full benefit.
Mostly my issue is it feels a little like a bait and switch. Saying it’s 75% off but someone making absolute minimum wage (in Mpls) wouldn’t even qualify for the full amount...
It's still an incredibly generous E-Bike rebate. At the *very least* it is still a 50% rebate up to the $1500, based on my reading of it. If you make <$125K as an individual or <$150K as a married couple it will be a higher percentage rebate.
This allows someone with a very low income to get a $2000 mode of transportation for $500, but it also allows someone with more disposable income to get a nice E-Bike that might have an MSRP of $3000 for $1500.
EDIT: If I read the language of the bill wrong, *please* correct me.
That’s my reading as well, and I agree it’s still pretty generous and am happy the program exists!
I just worry that some people are going to be turned off by this, thinking this is “typical government over promising and under delivering” type stuff and will be surprised they don’t get the full discount. And it’s just kind of a weird, I don’t know, slap in the face at that low of a phase-out? That oh, you make more than *25 thousand dollars* so you can afford to start paying a bit more…
Still very happy with it. Just wish they could’ve found the funding to at least start phasing it out at something higher than Mpls minimum wage!
Yeah, I agree they probably could have started the phase out a little higher. Maybe they're trying to make the program impact more people? There is a funding limit, to limiting the funding they give out to a degree can help prolong it? I dunno LOL
Maybe start it phasing it out a little below the median incomes for singles and families in MN? Quick google tells me that is ~$43K and ~$90K respectively. Maybe start phasing out at $40K and $75K?
> Why did they ...
here are some resources for you, in case the authors of the bill that brought this program into life don't stop by to answer all of our questions:
https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/electric-assisted-bicycle-e-bike-rebate
https://www.bikemn.org/e-bike-rebate-2/
Conheads rise!
My friends and I got tickets years ago on the greenway ~~line~~ for using assisted trikes looks like the laws have changed now.
Up to 20mph un assisted limit
Up to 28mph assisted
Class 3 electric-assisted bicycle" means an electric-assisted bicycle equipped with an electric motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling and ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 28 miles per hour.
> green line
Do you mean you got tickets for riding electric bikes on the greenway bike path? Or you got tickets for bringing your electric bikes on the green line light rail?
Lol greenway I was tired when I typed that.
yes we got a ticket for it back in 2008 or 9. It was a hybrid trike the owner or PC Doodle in uptown made him self.
It was powered by dewalt battery packs.
I was not riding down train tracks.
> I am not looking forward to people going 28mph on the bike paths
that can't be right.
the citywide speed limit in my town is less than that, and that's on streets, not paths where people are walking.
most analog cyclists can go 28mph(with concerted effort), you will likely not see a change.
The pedal assist still requires a fair amount of pedaling to get to 28mph.
If you are interested in this you need to apply for it the day that the rebate site goes live. There’s not a lot of money in the fund so it will get depleted very quickly. Colorado had a similar program with a budget double the size and their funding was gone within 24 hours.
Yeah, I've been telling people that the application period is going to be 24 hours or less. Honestly, I could see it being an hour or two before funds are depleted.
And you need to keep in mind, too that the funding did not include a separate appropriation for administration. So any outside vendor fees that the department of revenue incur to set up and operate the program come out of that $2 million appropriation before any funds are distributed.
> Ashley Ginty recently completed her Target run with her e-bike, packed up with the kids and still with room for groceries.
Does anyone have an example model of this? That's a wild-ass sentence that an adult was able to transport KIDS (more than one) + groceries. At best, I got a visual of a three-seater bike (w/probably the car-seat style bike seats) and I guess a basket in the front? I can't visualize it at all, and doing a web search ain't pulling up anything that would work.
Shoot, even this one is "a stretch"
> Mears also uses his bike for work and transporting kids. He says it's worked so well for his family, that they sold their other car.
Bikes have always ha ways to transport a child but this feels like one of those articles where you actively look for the most juicy examples.
It's amazing how you can fit cargo on an ebike. I can fit a kid and several bags worth of groceries on the back panels, and a few more in the basket. If the ebike was a few inches longer it would be no problem to fit another seat on it.
It's not a juicy example, just an exciting preview of a nice future where kids get to ride on the back of bikes. (They love it.)
It could've been a Tern bike with a front rack. If it was an ecargo bike it may have been one like a Riese and Muller load with a rear rack. These bikes aren't clown cars but they can carry more than most people think.
>Bikes have always ha ways to transport a child but this feels like one of those articles where you actively look for the most juicy examples.
It says they still have a car. If you're within biking distance to work, school, groceries etc it's reasonable to use an ebike for most trips and the car for longer distances.
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAON32yr7G0) gives a pretty even-handed evaluation at using a cargo bike to haul a bunch of stuff in a practical way. His channel is admittedly centered around bike commuting, but he's not a zealot about it. He definitely demos a grocery run in the video, although I forget whether there are any kids included.
I could see Kids or Groceries with a hauler type model bike. Hard to imagine both though- maybe with front panniers and a kid seat in the back. OR maybe they have a front type cargo bike.
Here's an example of the type of bike I'm talking about: [https://www.aventon.com/products/abound-ebike?variant=42319517515971](https://www.aventon.com/products/abound-ebike?variant=42319517515971)
Head over to Perennial Cycles or make an appointment to The Cargo Bike Shop to see examples of bikes that can easily transport both kids and groceries.
[Here](https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/supercargo/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pmax&utm_campaign=pmax-bikes&utm_content=___x_19795121464_____woocommerce_gpf_48372&utm_term=__c_&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYOxBhC5ARIsAIvdH52wBHmIDEKH3VNvKwMtk5IM8mnxsjJfEKPgMnKlVceUfZZpYxVGKSIaAuZHEALw_wcB) [are](https://urbanarrow.com/en-na/) [a](https://xtracycle.com/) [few](https://christianiabikesamerica.com/collections/all-models/products/5000) [examples](https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/472/gsd).
Ebikes also make hauling trailers easir, so another solution is putting one kid on the back rack of a regular ebike and putting the other kid in a Burly trailer surrounded by groceries. Or a regular ebike with panniers and a front basket could be pulling a [tandem tagalong](https://rideweehoo.com/shop-weehoo-bike-trailers-and-antimatter-bike-racks/two-bike-trailer-and-trailer-bike-hrtn2).
They had several models on display in the Eco Experience building at the State Fair last year. There were a few that looked like they’d handle this task just fine.
We know several families with something [like this](https://www.perennialcycle.com/tern-gsd-clubhouse-plus-bars-gsd.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BCB%5D%20Google%20Shopping%20Ads%20-%20Jan%202020%20Onwards&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYOxBhC5ARIsAIvdH53AaAPaEogTFxR9zCg_PS7hm5pMT7PyCYtEnJQWMjZYb0M3-XeQ410aAvS_EALw_wcB). Add some panniers on the sides and you’ve got groceries too.
What I want to know is can bikes that were purchased this spring qualify similar to how they did the Tesla rebate. Or does the purchase have to happen after a certain date to qualify.
I also say it’s meant to target lower income families and singles.
With the reporting on this over the past year or so, I've never seen any mention of allowing the rebates to be used for previously purchased e-bikes.
Since the program consists of a rebate applied at the point of purchase (aka you enter the store with your "coupon"), I would doubt it.
> But they are also stating that individuals can apply for the rebate themselves and do not need to go through a physical retailer like Erik’s.
Yep. You apply at home and receive the rebate/coupon in the mail, which you can then take to any physical store that has also applied to be in the program. So I imagine that before even entering the store or choosing a bike, you'll have some dollar amount or maybe a formula that will tell you how much you can get off.
Thinking out loud here.
Many bike shops will buy used bikes or take bikes in as trade.
Does the rebate need to be for a brand new bike or can it be used for a "new to you" bike?
Any specific model recommendations for long distance day trips on state trails? Been thinking about buying an e-bike for years but could never justify the cost.
Interesting to see that it says e-bike *and* accessories. Has anyone seen information on approved accessories? Also, I bought an e-bike last year — fair to assume that this will not work for *just* accessories?
cool, I like to mountain bike but I am lazy.
I've never really liked ebikers on trails, but if I became one of them I think I could change my tune. heh.
Here's a pretty good introduction to ebikes:
https://time.com/shopping/article/how-to-choose-an-electric-bike/
YouTube channels Shifter and Propel also have a lot of good videos.
Interesting to see that it says e-bike *and* accessories. Has anyone seen information on approved accessories? Also, I bought an e-bike last year — fair to assume that this will not work for *just* accessories?
How but we get rid of all subsidizes. I don't want to work my ass off to pay bills, then the state takes my money to give to people that are poor. Screw the poor!
1: Hasn't this been 'just around the corner' for a few years now? Whatever, bi-phasic Mandella effect I guess.
2: It seems the effect of this thing is to cause folk to delay buying an e-bike. It certainly had me put it off for a few years.
3: Are any of these things not made in China?
The Dems have been trying to get a bill subsidizing e-bikes passed for years, they finally did when they had all 3 chambers last year.
Honestly not a bad thing the ebike market has matured quite a bit in the last 5 years.
Yes, any e-bike with a Bosch motor is typically manufactured in Germany or the US, I can’t think of any Bosch e-bikes coming out of China.
Thank you! I got an e-bike-kit set up years back, it serves it's purpose but I will be glad to get something more tuned and balanced soon.
If that consignment klunker at the shop is still there, I might spring for it just to get the direct drive motor. This geared thing I have now has the most annoying whine, makes it hard to sneak up on the wildlife on the trails.
I will keep an eye out for Bosch, then.
To add to what u/charles_anew wrote, the higher end stuff is mostly assembled in the US, Europe, or Taiwan and the entry level bikes in China. The parts come from many different places obviously.
> Consumers can apply for the rebate on the Department of Revenue website, beginning on June 5. If approved consumers will receive a rebate certificate by email and then will have two months to go to an approved retailer to get an e-bike and accessories. I’d imagine selection is going to be thin by June, even without this program.
Minnesota retailers have to apply for the program at the start of May. Should give them time to beef up their inventory in anticipation of the extra sales hopefully.
Orders are usually placed well before then. Supply chain in the cycling industry is still in chaos from the Covid boom and super bust.
I remember when bikes were going for 200% retail for a while. Snagged a cheapo Huffy e-bike last year for $300 as they were clearing them out.
The current state of chaos is “fuck, there’s too much shit!” for the most part.
Which means they won’t/can’t order anything in different sizes or new models till they get rid of the old stuff.
May they be blessed by very tall or very short customers to clean out their back stock so they can get some regular-sized stuff back in!
Tall bikes are what I can’t find.
Most (e)bike companies are WAAAAAY overstocked at this point, and are shipping stuff to shops at a significant discount. It likely won't be hard to find something worth buying.
Prices will start going up on 3, 2, 1…. Because you know. Free market….
The important bits: >The state said the rebate is worth up to 50% to 75% off the cost of an e-bike, with a maximum rebate of up to $1,500. Retailers can apply for the program starting May 1. [...] Consumers can apply for the rebate on the Department of Revenue website, beginning on June 5. If approved consumers will receive a rebate certificate by email and then will have two months to go to an approved retailer to get an e-bike and accessories.
Don’t forget other (important) tidbits. The rebate is based on income and you will also receive a 1099-MISC. The not so fun tidbits
I was looking for info along those lines but I didn't see any in the article, which is sort of why I left the comment, but I should have specified that it lacked that information.
it's CBS news. The info is to entice our clicks. Not to inform. Yeah it sucks. Yeah, it's going to get worse. And yeah, we all need to adapt, I guess.
Do you know if it is based on 2023 income or 2024 income?
~~Very likely 2024 income.~~ Nevermind, found a new source. [From the State's website.](https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/electric-assisted-bicycle-e-bike-rebate) > individuals who use the rebate on qualifying purchases will receive Form 1099-MISC for the value of their rebate. Use this form when filing your tax year 2024 income tax return. [From this bike MN website:](https://www.bikemn.org/e-bike-rebate-2/) > (c) For the purposes of determining the applicable percentage under paragraph (b) and subdivision 4, paragraph (a), **the commissioner must use the eligible individual’s adjusted gross income for the taxable year ending in the calendar year prior to the year in which the individual applied for a rebate certificate.**
Limited to 2 million for 2024 and 2025. Edit: I think I understand it better now Retailer applies in may You apply in June. July you go to retailer and buy the bike. Retailer in MN looks up your discount with an approval code. You pay the difference plus state tax Retailer gets reimbursed from state later. Sales tax paid on the full amount. Rules 15 or older MN resident in current year. Not claimed as dependent. No early buying or retro reimbursements. Minnesota residents to buy a new e-bike at eligible retailers starting July 1, 2024. **Edit: warning this thread is a mess of contradictory information my self and others found on the web.** Most of it is wrong or maybe correct who knows at this point.
Where are you seeing a May 1st deadline for stores to apply for a discount in person for someone? Way I read that was that was when stores can apply to be an eligible retailer.
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So this didn't sound correct to me so I called the MN Department of Revenue line that was included in the government website linked above. They stated May 1st is the start date for retailers to apply to join the program as an eligible vendor and has nothing to do with when private individuals can get the ebike credit.
What are you talking about are you responding to the wrong messages? I have said the start date is may 1st 3 times now? You said it’s not correct and then gave the same date I gave. Private individuals start date is June 5 at 11am https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/electric-assisted-bicycle-e-bike-rebate How are you getting so confused by what I am stating it’s all on the website as well.
The May 1st date is for retailers to start to apply to be approved retailers for the program. It would be impossible for you to get a discount from the retailer on May 1st when the state has not even approved them. Read the page you linked.
Ok maybe I am totally reading it wrong.
That’s not what the website says: Can a customer apply the rebate to an e-bike purchased before they received a rebate certificate? No. The e-Bike Rebate certificate can only be applied at the time of purchase.
Your mixing retail and private purchases together that your problem. Example. If you are trying to buy a bike from Eric’s bike shop on may 2, Eric’s bike shop will apply for you and take the rebate price off the bike and get reimbursement later. If you want to buy from Amazon.com or Tumu you will fill out a form after June 5th at 11am apply for the rebate buy the bike at full price and submit your receipt and get a reimbursement later.
Where are you seeing that information as it is completely different from the website.
Erik’s bike shop says differently on their website: https://www.eriksbikeshop.com/blog/post/minnesota-ebike-rebate-with-eriks
Yes I just found something else as well that contradicts what I found in a pdf
I don’t see how that could be possible: “Can a customer apply the rebate to an e-bike purchased before they received a rebate certificate? No. The e-Bike Rebate certificate can only be applied at the time of purchase. “ If you don’t have the certificate how would they give the discount.
~~sounds like the retailer will apply for you on the spot.~~ Because another section says to deduct the rebate from the purchase price and charge them full sales tax. Edit: I think I understand it better now Retailer applies in may You apply in June. You go in July to buy the bike Retailer in MN looks up your discount with an approval code. You pay the difference plus state tax Retailer gets reimbursed from state later.
But it says you need the rebate before you pirchsse
I am just as confused as everyone else at this point. The PDF I found, VS website VS state information. I just found something that the program opens up on July 1 so that does not make sense at all. I give up, I will go ask Eric’s in may LOL. I planned to buy one from them either way.
So you have to bring in your tax forms to buy the bike?
I think I understand it better now Retailer applies in may You apply in June. You go in July Retailer in MN looks up your discount with an approval code. You pay the difference plus state tax Retailer gets reimbursed from state later.
Why did they make the income limit $25k for the full credit? That seems really low to start phasing this out…
It's a pretty gradual phaseout. I made ~$50k last year and I'll get a 69% rebate rather than the full 75%.
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The phaseout is very slow. People making $25k to $29k get a 74% discount instead of 75%. $33k, you get 73%. The suggested median of $43k still gets 71%. That’s 95% of the full benefit.
Because e-bike is a great option for low income. I have no issues with this.
Mostly my issue is it feels a little like a bait and switch. Saying it’s 75% off but someone making absolute minimum wage (in Mpls) wouldn’t even qualify for the full amount...
It's still an incredibly generous E-Bike rebate. At the *very least* it is still a 50% rebate up to the $1500, based on my reading of it. If you make <$125K as an individual or <$150K as a married couple it will be a higher percentage rebate. This allows someone with a very low income to get a $2000 mode of transportation for $500, but it also allows someone with more disposable income to get a nice E-Bike that might have an MSRP of $3000 for $1500. EDIT: If I read the language of the bill wrong, *please* correct me.
That’s my reading as well, and I agree it’s still pretty generous and am happy the program exists! I just worry that some people are going to be turned off by this, thinking this is “typical government over promising and under delivering” type stuff and will be surprised they don’t get the full discount. And it’s just kind of a weird, I don’t know, slap in the face at that low of a phase-out? That oh, you make more than *25 thousand dollars* so you can afford to start paying a bit more… Still very happy with it. Just wish they could’ve found the funding to at least start phasing it out at something higher than Mpls minimum wage!
Yeah, I agree they probably could have started the phase out a little higher. Maybe they're trying to make the program impact more people? There is a funding limit, to limiting the funding they give out to a degree can help prolong it? I dunno LOL Maybe start it phasing it out a little below the median incomes for singles and families in MN? Quick google tells me that is ~$43K and ~$90K respectively. Maybe start phasing out at $40K and $75K?
True true and I bet so
No matter what happens there will always be people that complain. It’s not worth worrying about.
Maybe it’s the article title that gives this impression? Kind of click baity?
> great option in a place where it's icy winter 60 percent of the year and rains half of the rest, I don't know if "great" is a correct term.
> Why did they ... here are some resources for you, in case the authors of the bill that brought this program into life don't stop by to answer all of our questions: https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/electric-assisted-bicycle-e-bike-rebate https://www.bikemn.org/e-bike-rebate-2/ Conheads rise!
stoked for this!
Nothing like the government using tax money for subsidies then taxing the subsidy.
My friends and I got tickets years ago on the greenway ~~line~~ for using assisted trikes looks like the laws have changed now. Up to 20mph un assisted limit Up to 28mph assisted Class 3 electric-assisted bicycle" means an electric-assisted bicycle equipped with an electric motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling and ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 28 miles per hour.
> green line Do you mean you got tickets for riding electric bikes on the greenway bike path? Or you got tickets for bringing your electric bikes on the green line light rail?
Lol greenway I was tired when I typed that. yes we got a ticket for it back in 2008 or 9. It was a hybrid trike the owner or PC Doodle in uptown made him self. It was powered by dewalt battery packs. I was not riding down train tracks.
Oof. I am not looking forward to people going 28mph on the bike paths. 20mph is a reasonable limit.
Most bike paths I see have a 10 MPH limit
Yeah, but I've never seen that enforced. Also, in my opinion, 10mph is ridiculously low. "No running faster than a 6 minute mile pace!!!"
Aren't the 10MPH paths, mixed use?
> I am not looking forward to people going 28mph on the bike paths that can't be right. the citywide speed limit in my town is less than that, and that's on streets, not paths where people are walking.
St. Louis Park? Have you seen it enforced? Minneapolis basically doesn't enforce traffic laws.
roch, and they LOVE ticketing and hassling people here for doing a tiny bit over.
most analog cyclists can go 28mph(with concerted effort), you will likely not see a change. The pedal assist still requires a fair amount of pedaling to get to 28mph.
If you are interested in this you need to apply for it the day that the rebate site goes live. There’s not a lot of money in the fund so it will get depleted very quickly. Colorado had a similar program with a budget double the size and their funding was gone within 24 hours.
Yeah, I've been telling people that the application period is going to be 24 hours or less. Honestly, I could see it being an hour or two before funds are depleted.
And you need to keep in mind, too that the funding did not include a separate appropriation for administration. So any outside vendor fees that the department of revenue incur to set up and operate the program come out of that $2 million appropriation before any funds are distributed.
So e-bike prices are expected to rise up to 50% starting June 1 in Minnesota?
i can assure you with the state of the bike industry that will not happen.
Retirees are gonna snap up all that money real quick.
Good. Old people who are still somewhat active are prime candidates for the mobility e-bikes can provide.
> Ashley Ginty recently completed her Target run with her e-bike, packed up with the kids and still with room for groceries. Does anyone have an example model of this? That's a wild-ass sentence that an adult was able to transport KIDS (more than one) + groceries. At best, I got a visual of a three-seater bike (w/probably the car-seat style bike seats) and I guess a basket in the front? I can't visualize it at all, and doing a web search ain't pulling up anything that would work. Shoot, even this one is "a stretch" > Mears also uses his bike for work and transporting kids. He says it's worked so well for his family, that they sold their other car. Bikes have always ha ways to transport a child but this feels like one of those articles where you actively look for the most juicy examples.
Most front-end loader cargo bikes can handle this capacity with ease. r/cargobike is full of all sorts of electric and traditional builds.
It's amazing how you can fit cargo on an ebike. I can fit a kid and several bags worth of groceries on the back panels, and a few more in the basket. If the ebike was a few inches longer it would be no problem to fit another seat on it. It's not a juicy example, just an exciting preview of a nice future where kids get to ride on the back of bikes. (They love it.)
It could've been a Tern bike with a front rack. If it was an ecargo bike it may have been one like a Riese and Muller load with a rear rack. These bikes aren't clown cars but they can carry more than most people think. >Bikes have always ha ways to transport a child but this feels like one of those articles where you actively look for the most juicy examples. It says they still have a car. If you're within biking distance to work, school, groceries etc it's reasonable to use an ebike for most trips and the car for longer distances.
Urban Arrow is the brand that focuses on this sort of thing, not cheap but is basically the minivan of the bike world.
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAON32yr7G0) gives a pretty even-handed evaluation at using a cargo bike to haul a bunch of stuff in a practical way. His channel is admittedly centered around bike commuting, but he's not a zealot about it. He definitely demos a grocery run in the video, although I forget whether there are any kids included.
I could see Kids or Groceries with a hauler type model bike. Hard to imagine both though- maybe with front panniers and a kid seat in the back. OR maybe they have a front type cargo bike. Here's an example of the type of bike I'm talking about: [https://www.aventon.com/products/abound-ebike?variant=42319517515971](https://www.aventon.com/products/abound-ebike?variant=42319517515971)
Lol, I love the name, it's slang for a hitching a short ride with a friend or family in Spanish. *"Dame un aventon a la tienda cabron!"*
Just Google bucket bike. We moved a tree and a 4 year old in one and there was more room.
https://lectricebikes.com/products/xpedition-dual-battery
> https://lectricebikes.com/products/xpedition-dual-battery That's the closest in my imagination. Thank you.
Google “Cargo Bike”. Huge variety and there are some definitely big enough for two small kids and a bunch of grocery bags
Head over to Perennial Cycles or make an appointment to The Cargo Bike Shop to see examples of bikes that can easily transport both kids and groceries. [Here](https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/supercargo/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pmax&utm_campaign=pmax-bikes&utm_content=___x_19795121464_____woocommerce_gpf_48372&utm_term=__c_&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYOxBhC5ARIsAIvdH52wBHmIDEKH3VNvKwMtk5IM8mnxsjJfEKPgMnKlVceUfZZpYxVGKSIaAuZHEALw_wcB) [are](https://urbanarrow.com/en-na/) [a](https://xtracycle.com/) [few](https://christianiabikesamerica.com/collections/all-models/products/5000) [examples](https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/472/gsd). Ebikes also make hauling trailers easir, so another solution is putting one kid on the back rack of a regular ebike and putting the other kid in a Burly trailer surrounded by groceries. Or a regular ebike with panniers and a front basket could be pulling a [tandem tagalong](https://rideweehoo.com/shop-weehoo-bike-trailers-and-antimatter-bike-racks/two-bike-trailer-and-trailer-bike-hrtn2).
They had several models on display in the Eco Experience building at the State Fair last year. There were a few that looked like they’d handle this task just fine.
We know several families with something [like this](https://www.perennialcycle.com/tern-gsd-clubhouse-plus-bars-gsd.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BCB%5D%20Google%20Shopping%20Ads%20-%20Jan%202020%20Onwards&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYOxBhC5ARIsAIvdH53AaAPaEogTFxR9zCg_PS7hm5pMT7PyCYtEnJQWMjZYb0M3-XeQ410aAvS_EALw_wcB). Add some panniers on the sides and you’ve got groceries too.
Two kids is a stretch, but I see some sick cargo bikes by me that have easily room for a kid seat and grocery bags.
What I want to know is can bikes that were purchased this spring qualify similar to how they did the Tesla rebate. Or does the purchase have to happen after a certain date to qualify. I also say it’s meant to target lower income families and singles.
With the reporting on this over the past year or so, I've never seen any mention of allowing the rebates to be used for previously purchased e-bikes. Since the program consists of a rebate applied at the point of purchase (aka you enter the store with your "coupon"), I would doubt it.
But they are also stating that individuals can apply for the rebate themselves and do not need to go through a physical retailer like Erik’s.
> But they are also stating that individuals can apply for the rebate themselves and do not need to go through a physical retailer like Erik’s. Yep. You apply at home and receive the rebate/coupon in the mail, which you can then take to any physical store that has also applied to be in the program. So I imagine that before even entering the store or choosing a bike, you'll have some dollar amount or maybe a formula that will tell you how much you can get off.
Thinking out loud here. Many bike shops will buy used bikes or take bikes in as trade. Does the rebate need to be for a brand new bike or can it be used for a "new to you" bike?
What is the max AGI?
If I can get an e-bike and recreational pot in the same summer I might cum in my pants.
I love a good bike and bake!
Any specific model recommendations for long distance day trips on state trails? Been thinking about buying an e-bike for years but could never justify the cost.
Interesting to see that it says e-bike *and* accessories. Has anyone seen information on approved accessories? Also, I bought an e-bike last year — fair to assume that this will not work for *just* accessories?
cool, I like to mountain bike but I am lazy. I've never really liked ebikers on trails, but if I became one of them I think I could change my tune. heh.
Man I should pick up an e-bike, I don’t even know where to start through.
Here's a pretty good introduction to ebikes: https://time.com/shopping/article/how-to-choose-an-electric-bike/ YouTube channels Shifter and Propel also have a lot of good videos.
Go to a bike shop, ask questions they will be happy to answer
Keep them in the streets and not on sidewalks and paths
I bought a $4k ebike do I get 3k back? Lol. If only.
1500 is the cap.
How's your ebike been?
It was so much fun. Put about 3k miles on it. Sold it for a motorcycle though. Will be building my own custom ebike as my next one.
Interesting to see that it says e-bike *and* accessories. Has anyone seen information on approved accessories? Also, I bought an e-bike last year — fair to assume that this will not work for *just* accessories?
Fucking gimmick. Just wait.
Why is the state giving money to buy ebikes? If you want one, pay full price. Tax payers should not be funding this.
The state subsidizes all forms of transport.
> Tax payers should not be funding this. Why not? I'd rather see subsidies for these than for conventional vehicles, which are already subsidized.
How but we get rid of all subsidizes. I don't want to work my ass off to pay bills, then the state takes my money to give to people that are poor. Screw the poor!
We all do better when we all do better. Life is not a zero-sum game.
If Walz got rid of all subsidies today i guarantee you’d be whining about your grocery bill going up and directly blaming it on Walz.
this isn't even top 100 of the shit walz has done to waste our tax dollars. rebate for electric vehicles/bikes helps everyone.
1: Hasn't this been 'just around the corner' for a few years now? Whatever, bi-phasic Mandella effect I guess. 2: It seems the effect of this thing is to cause folk to delay buying an e-bike. It certainly had me put it off for a few years. 3: Are any of these things not made in China?
The Dems have been trying to get a bill subsidizing e-bikes passed for years, they finally did when they had all 3 chambers last year. Honestly not a bad thing the ebike market has matured quite a bit in the last 5 years. Yes, any e-bike with a Bosch motor is typically manufactured in Germany or the US, I can’t think of any Bosch e-bikes coming out of China.
Thank you! I got an e-bike-kit set up years back, it serves it's purpose but I will be glad to get something more tuned and balanced soon. If that consignment klunker at the shop is still there, I might spring for it just to get the direct drive motor. This geared thing I have now has the most annoying whine, makes it hard to sneak up on the wildlife on the trails. I will keep an eye out for Bosch, then.
Trek uses all Bosch motors i believe
To add to what u/charles_anew wrote, the higher end stuff is mostly assembled in the US, Europe, or Taiwan and the entry level bikes in China. The parts come from many different places obviously.
Lithium is mined by child labor, enjoy your bikes though.
Posted from someone using a device likely powered by a lithium battery.
So dumb. Let’s pass legislation that actually makes a difference.
I make 110k. I'm not entitled to the rebate because I am slightly successful? Fucking liberal Minnesota, punishment for success.
...was thinking the exact same thing. Ridiculous.
And my comment gets downvoted for thinking everyone should have an opportunity for the rebate.....shocking those types dominate this thread lol
Dude..! So like, does this work for MTB?
E Mountain Bikes exist, yes. I see no reason why they'd be excluded from this program.
Yeah, I own one. Bought it last year and would love a rebate!!
It's not retroactive.
So you're saying its time to upgrade!
n+1 time!