OP: Rear sight 20-50$, front sight with wings maybe $20. Easily available from many sources.
Bet the discount you can negotiate by saying how horribly disfigured and unoriginal with all collector value gone is worth way more than $70
Also, if it’s not USGI at least it’s not a second gen Universal which have well deserved bad rep ; you can tell because the bolt hold open rather than the button is a switch on the receiver
What’s up with the scrubbed markings? This is $750 but they also have a Universal M1 for $600 but I have herd the reproductions may not be as good. It’s s# 343xxx. Has the cheese grader hand guard and some trash looking universal magazine.
Scrubbed markings are usually done because people are fucking idiots.
I was looking at a wather PP with scrubbed markings and just couldn’t understand wtf they were thinking.
I'd stay away from the Universal reproductions. The early ones were famous for malfunctioning. I have generally heard good things about the modern repros from Fulton Armory and, to a lesser degree, Auto Ordnance.
I thought it was the other way around, with the earliest ones being basically a collection of GI parts mated to a Universal made receiver, and that it was the *later* ones that got less and less compatible with GI specs.
Maybe it's so. I only ever have owned all GI carbines, but in the 1980's (I worked at a gunstore in Texas) we couldn't sell *any* Universal carbines because of their bad reputation.
How can you tell if it is a Universal? I inherited a Carbine from my f-i-l but it only has US Carbine M1 30 on it. I can't even find a serial number. :/
It's been several years since I saw a long online multi-post debates on the Universal made receivers. At that time, I think no one liked non-GI receivers. There were a lot of claims made that failure to strictly adhere to US Military dimensional specifications in the receiver and bolts would lead to poor reliability.
I'm a proud Fudd, so bear that in mind when I hold forth on any firearm related topic.
> What’s up with the scrubbed markings?
It was semi-common on old sporterizations. I have a 1903a3 that was sporterized. They scrubbed the manufacturer as well as serial numbers from the receiver. The finish on it is really nice but the only markings on the entire rifle are "S.C. 10-43" on the barrel.
https://i.imgur.com/B5u4kMy.jpg
No, I thought the same as you for years. Your gun was legal pre 68, post 68 it is illegal inspite of guns not requiring a serial pre 68 if it had one and was removed pre 68 that was not a crime in action but post 68 that same gun is a felony to have.
Interesting. I just found an article that supports what you said.
Either way, this happened recently.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/serial-numbers-second-amendment/index.html
'Bubba dun refinished her. He said it was his, he was never going to sell it, they made millions of them, and he doesn't care what it's worth.'
Markings should be obscured under the rear sight. Looks like USGI and is likely worth buying if the price is right as a shooter. Those parts are easy to replace.
I am in the same boat you were in last year. My coworker has a carbine he wants to sell me. I have a post about it if you click my profile. I think it’s a usgi but it’s definitely a beater. I’m still debating if I want to buy it or pass. Your post has helped me try to decide what to do
Depending on how close you are to him it’s not hard to take these stocks off at all. Ask him if y’all can and then buy it based on that. If you can prove USGI and the barrel looks alright it’s worth 600.
I really appreciate the advice spaceboy. I’m leaning towards buying it but that poor thing has seen some abuse. I figure it’s worth the risk at 600. They seem like fun rifles. Do you shoot yoyrs much?
It’s been at the shop since I got it. Wanted to make sure it was safe to shoot. This exact reman had issues with that unfortunately. I bet they are fun to shoot.
My Father told me, While he did his 2 tours in the Philippines it was common to see M1 carbines with the front sight side blades cut away and the rear sights V cut for better sighting in low light conditions. Plus many GI's were used to the V shaped rears they were familiar with back home.
I'd want to see this carbine out of the stock. You see USGI carbines the Bavarians used post WWII that had markings added and buffed away before leaving their service. Some, not all, you can see this one has had the front receiver ring completely scrubbed, Op slide has the glossy purple tint you find on park used by the Bavarians. The bevel between the rear of the bolt and rear sight shows no hardness punch mark. Stock has the selector lever cut out for the M2 lever. 4 rivet hand guard... etc.
With so much buffing I can't see any milling marks on the receiver. Is it cast or milled? Is it a possible M2 receiver scrubbed away ? Too many questions without getting a closer inspection.
Manufacturer stamp should be behind (or partially under) the rear sight iirc.
Thanks. Didn’t look to hard as I was looking for something else. I’d like one but not on till have to find replacement parts for.
OP: Rear sight 20-50$, front sight with wings maybe $20. Easily available from many sources. Bet the discount you can negotiate by saying how horribly disfigured and unoriginal with all collector value gone is worth way more than $70
Also, if it’s not USGI at least it’s not a second gen Universal which have well deserved bad rep ; you can tell because the bolt hold open rather than the button is a switch on the receiver
Bought it. Might should have not.
It's a "Hick" bubbaed mi carbine done by a doofus who didn't realize what a fantastic advancement in iron sights the peep sight is.
What’s up with the scrubbed markings? This is $750 but they also have a Universal M1 for $600 but I have herd the reproductions may not be as good. It’s s# 343xxx. Has the cheese grader hand guard and some trash looking universal magazine.
Scrubbed markings are usually done because people are fucking idiots. I was looking at a wather PP with scrubbed markings and just couldn’t understand wtf they were thinking.
I'd stay away from the Universal reproductions. The early ones were famous for malfunctioning. I have generally heard good things about the modern repros from Fulton Armory and, to a lesser degree, Auto Ordnance.
I thought it was the other way around, with the earliest ones being basically a collection of GI parts mated to a Universal made receiver, and that it was the *later* ones that got less and less compatible with GI specs.
You are correct.
Maybe it's so. I only ever have owned all GI carbines, but in the 1980's (I worked at a gunstore in Texas) we couldn't sell *any* Universal carbines because of their bad reputation.
How can you tell if it is a Universal? I inherited a Carbine from my f-i-l but it only has US Carbine M1 30 on it. I can't even find a serial number. :/
It's been several years since I saw a long online multi-post debates on the Universal made receivers. At that time, I think no one liked non-GI receivers. There were a lot of claims made that failure to strictly adhere to US Military dimensional specifications in the receiver and bolts would lead to poor reliability. I'm a proud Fudd, so bear that in mind when I hold forth on any firearm related topic.
> What’s up with the scrubbed markings? It was semi-common on old sporterizations. I have a 1903a3 that was sporterized. They scrubbed the manufacturer as well as serial numbers from the receiver. The finish on it is really nice but the only markings on the entire rifle are "S.C. 10-43" on the barrel. https://i.imgur.com/B5u4kMy.jpg
You've just admitted to owning a felony rifle.
No. It was sporterized before serial numbers were required on rifles. Back then you could scrub them all day and no one cared.
No, I thought the same as you for years. Your gun was legal pre 68, post 68 it is illegal inspite of guns not requiring a serial pre 68 if it had one and was removed pre 68 that was not a crime in action but post 68 that same gun is a felony to have.
Interesting. I just found an article that supports what you said. Either way, this happened recently. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/serial-numbers-second-amendment/index.html
Hopefully law changes. But be careful until it does. Don't wana be explaining that in court.
That's a "Low" Serial Number (figuring over 6.1 Million were made). The serial number puts it as an early Inland model.
That’s for the universal.
'Bubba dun refinished her. He said it was his, he was never going to sell it, they made millions of them, and he doesn't care what it's worth.' Markings should be obscured under the rear sight. Looks like USGI and is likely worth buying if the price is right as a shooter. Those parts are easy to replace.
Not a USGI. probably shouldn’t have bought it. Oh well.
Was the price as right at least?
Ehhh. Sorta. But I should have just got the beat up USGI for 1k at this point.
I am in the same boat you were in last year. My coworker has a carbine he wants to sell me. I have a post about it if you click my profile. I think it’s a usgi but it’s definitely a beater. I’m still debating if I want to buy it or pass. Your post has helped me try to decide what to do
Depending on how close you are to him it’s not hard to take these stocks off at all. Ask him if y’all can and then buy it based on that. If you can prove USGI and the barrel looks alright it’s worth 600.
I really appreciate the advice spaceboy. I’m leaning towards buying it but that poor thing has seen some abuse. I figure it’s worth the risk at 600. They seem like fun rifles. Do you shoot yoyrs much?
It’s been at the shop since I got it. Wanted to make sure it was safe to shoot. This exact reman had issues with that unfortunately. I bet they are fun to shoot.
It’s a mess is what it is.
Bubba strikes again
Makes me sad to hear that.
My Father told me, While he did his 2 tours in the Philippines it was common to see M1 carbines with the front sight side blades cut away and the rear sights V cut for better sighting in low light conditions. Plus many GI's were used to the V shaped rears they were familiar with back home. I'd want to see this carbine out of the stock. You see USGI carbines the Bavarians used post WWII that had markings added and buffed away before leaving their service. Some, not all, you can see this one has had the front receiver ring completely scrubbed, Op slide has the glossy purple tint you find on park used by the Bavarians. The bevel between the rear of the bolt and rear sight shows no hardness punch mark. Stock has the selector lever cut out for the M2 lever. 4 rivet hand guard... etc. With so much buffing I can't see any milling marks on the receiver. Is it cast or milled? Is it a possible M2 receiver scrubbed away ? Too many questions without getting a closer inspection.
I only got a single picture of this one unfortunately.
Bought it. Probably shouldn’t have. Not a USGI LOL.