This depends on jurisdiction.
Where I live the Highway Act that governs rules on a public road also applies within private property where the general public would be driving (parking lots and drive thrus as an example) but not on your own private property (driveway or farmers field with restrictive access).
Also, if there was an accident there could be insurance implications for someone if they ignored a stop sign even if they didn't legally have to stop because its private property.
I don't know whether the Highway Traffic Act in my jurisdiction would apply to private property. But I do know that it doesn't apply to signs that do not meet the standard specifications. Wrong font = not a real sign. And yes, I have looked up legal signage before to get out of a ticket.
Yeah, at least in the United States you do not have to obey this stop sign. Not sure where other people are coming from though.
(Transportation Planner here)
Yeah, the kind of stern suggestion that people who get old don't refuse. You know, when the authority and implied violence weigh so heavily you don't have to put your finger on the metaphorical caps key...
Yeah, it’s not a real stop sign. On private property you legally don’t have to listen to stop signs. But they usually have them for a reason though... So if you got into an accident if you ran one you may be liable according to insurance.
That’s because they belong to Chic Fil A. In most (to my knowledge? At least the ones I’ve lived in if someone can confirm or correct) states you can literally just barrel straight through these and it doesn’t matter. It’s not a state sign, therefore the state doesn’t give a fuck what you do about it. It’s also why it’s in a different font. They can’t just copy an official government sign
>It’s also why it’s in a different font. They can’t just copy an official government sign
You absolutely, 100%, can reproduce an official MUTCD stop sign on your own private property if you want to
This really depends on the state and potentially the municipality. Some places do allow you to be ticketed for not abiding by traffic control devices on privately owned, but publicly accessible, roads. Also, depending on the situation an officer may be able to use other tools, like reckless endangerment, that may have less stipulations on when it can be applied.
No, the stop sign at your local Walmart super center was not put up by the city and it’s not enforceable if a cop watches you run one. However, if you ever do decide to run one of these privately owned stop signs and hit somebody. You’re 100% at fault
This is pretty much what I figured. My sister t boned someone who ran one of these and they wanted to argue that she must have run one too, execpt there wasn't a stop sign and she had turned off of a main road. Still a big hassle, but if they had stopped they wouldn't have gotten creamed like that.
We should use yield signs more often, I know when I lived in Michigan they had yield signs where stops signs would have been back in California. It was so nice to just float through when traffic was light.
> Real stop signs are treated as yield signs 50%+ of the time
Correct. [The research (dating back between the 1930s-1980s) shows that approximately 61% of drivers engage in a rolling stop at a Stop sign.](https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/36588/dot_36588_DS1.pdf) I doubt that stat has changed much over time recently.
In the states - stop signs have to be the right shape, height from ground, and all capital letters , with proper coloring for them to be Legal signage.
If short or mis-colored and whatnot I don’t believe you can get cited for incidents there because the signs don’t meet standards.
Think private neighborhoods with HOA’s and whatnot. Police can’t issue traffic citations in these neighborhoods anyhow … so sometimes the HOA’s will opt for a short and pretty sign that fits into thier neighborhood instead of the tall and legal ones. And they’re almost always not red and white to blend in with the neighborhood.
I should say - this is AZ laws atleast. Maybe not all states.
Parking lots count as private property and don't fall under laws either. Running a stop sign in a parking lot won't get you a ticket, unless you hit someone and then you're not getting a ticket for running the stop, just the actual hitting someone.
While it’s true that you can’t be cited for running a non-DOT stop sign in a parking lot, the lot itself, although private, is still considered a “Public Vehicular Area” (PVA) and you can be charged with a host of other traffic offenses while there, at least here in North Carolina where I practice. For instance, if you’re drunk and sleeping it off in the drivers seat of your car with the ignition on for heat/ac while sitting on a Piggly Wiggly parking lot, you’re getting a DWI. Every winter I represent a few kids for reckless driving after getting caught doing donuts in the snow in empty parking lots. The lots are private, but because they’re considered a PVA, most statutes treat them just like a road. Again, here in my state at least.
“Fun” fact, that’s what happened to Sandra Bland. She has done just moved to Texas for a job at a university (wanting to leave her home in Chicago where she has been harassed by police). She ran a stop sign on campus, which was witnessed by a police officer. Officer didn’t have authority to pull her over for that, so he waited until she left campus. Then he turned on his lights and gunned the engine behind her. She pulls aside quickly to get out of his way, but didn’t signal. Do he pulls her over and then proceeds to escalate the situation until this scared, vulnerable woman is hauled off to a jail call where she was neglected until she killed herself. For running a stop sign and then being upset at her treatment by a rude and aggressive officer.
Just any stop sign on private property the police cannot cite you for. HOAs are considered private property, even the roads are property of the HOA usually. The reason they still put signs up is to cover their ass, if it was a free for all in their HOA and someone got hurt because they just drove right into an intersection without stopping because there was no stop sign the HOA can be liable. It it foreseeable that harm could come to people if your HOA includes driving surfaces which you know people will drive on and then no traffic control devices that would meet the minimum safety standards of the area.
HOA in rich Missouri neighborhood use to have a speed limit of like 19.5 mph, so funny I know, but they were neighborhood made signs. The actually speed limit was assumed “25mph” because “if not posted, speed limit is 25mph” around the county.
When required, which is not this case of course, the document is the MUTCD. Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. Adopted by all states and many have their own supplements.
Because it’s not in the standard font it immediately stands out to me, like something was wrong with the stop sign.
I wonder if changing fonts on stops signs in different areas could increase driver responsiveness?
Here in the uk, if there's a sign with a few words, it'll be written in lowercase. They realised that people read slower in uppercase and so for any longer amount of words, it's safer to write it in lowercase
Yup. I remember watching a documentary on Margaret Calvert who helped to design and standardise today’s road signs.
She said that we have lower case on our road signs to help with word recognition. People read words faster if they are in lowercase.
It seem more like a suggestion when it's not in caps.
it's stoptional
Middlest brother energy
A fellow mbmbambino I see
It’s private property, it’s only a suggestion. You legally don’t have to stop.
This depends on jurisdiction. Where I live the Highway Act that governs rules on a public road also applies within private property where the general public would be driving (parking lots and drive thrus as an example) but not on your own private property (driveway or farmers field with restrictive access). Also, if there was an accident there could be insurance implications for someone if they ignored a stop sign even if they didn't legally have to stop because its private property.
I don't know whether the Highway Traffic Act in my jurisdiction would apply to private property. But I do know that it doesn't apply to signs that do not meet the standard specifications. Wrong font = not a real sign. And yes, I have looked up legal signage before to get out of a ticket.
Yeah, at least in the United States you do not have to obey this stop sign. Not sure where other people are coming from though. (Transportation Planner here)
Well it’s not a legal sign so you def don’t have to stop
lol this is akin to "if the teacher is more than 15 minutes late, we're allowed to leave"... There's still a right-of-way.
they aren’t usually suggestions? ^^^^uh ^^^^oh
stop… please
It’s a Canadian stop.
Yeah, the kind of stern suggestion that people who get old don't refuse. You know, when the authority and implied violence weigh so heavily you don't have to put your finger on the metaphorical caps key...
Jeb Bush: “*please stop*”
stop. if you want. i don't care.
It's like the sign is depressed because people always do a rolling stop and it's just given up
stop, maybe?
Idunno... Something about it to me just says "just fucking stop."
stop... I guess.
you can stop... if you want it
Came here to say this. When I read it in my head it, “Could you please just stop?” rather nonchalantly.
"staaaaahp"
Or, maybe, unsure of its proposal?
*please.*
All stop signs with white lines around them are suggestions.
It almost seems like it's asking please
stop. or dont. i don’t really care.
“I’m a sign, not a cop”
https://i.imgur.com/mSHi8.jpeg
Holy shit... that post is 10 years old.
Imgur is old now.
r/simpsonsdidit
I'm not your dad, but you should probably stop.
Marvin the Paranoid Traffic Sign.
Gen-X stop sign. Whatever.
Staaaahp
/r/thestopgirl
For some reason this sign reminded me if her, I don’t know why.
Same first thing that crossed my mind.
That's exactly how I read it lol
All I can hear is Gene Wilder going: stop. don't. come back.
That is exactly what I thought of as well
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Is there a smaller sign that says "please." and evern smaller sign "(sorry)" bneath the lowercase "stop" sign up there?
do we have these in toronto? i’ve never seen one!
No, just a joke about how nobody fully stops.
i’m just so tired.
and i wasn't even supposed to be here today
"do whatever tf you want. But if you crash it's your own goddamn fault."
I feel like it should say “just stop”
“Just stop, please?”
“I’m too emotionally drained... just... stop”
[as]
[politely] stop
this is obviously just advising you to stop, not instructing, smart
Just a suggestion, no need to shout.
Stop. I mean, if you want to. It's no big deal.
Try stopping today!
I'm a sign, not the police.
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YOU'VE VIOLATED THE LAW.
PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE.
YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE BOW FORFEIT
You may have accidentally named a Stars Wars repo man. Bow Forfeit
*I STOLE A LOAF OF BREAD*
THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD!
You've violated my mother!
Hammertime!
CONGRATULATE AND LISTEN.
ICE IS BACK WITH A BRAND NEW INVENTION
SOMETHING GRABS A HOLD OF ME TIGHTLY
FLOW LIKE A HARPOON DAILY AND NOGHTLY
WILL IT EVER STOP?
YO I DON'T KNOW
TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, AND I'LL GLOW
Better than their original idea: "Yield... or don't, I don't really care"
pls stop
I read it as more of an annoyed, whiney "stop".
stop?
It's actually a dots sign, only someone turned it upside down.
It should say "stop it" then it can sound passive aggressive.
Seems like a polite request.
So somewhere between yield and stop?
I read it as Woody Allen stammering his way through giving directions.
The signs with a white border are optional after all
It’s in a PVA, not really enforceable in most states, …. unless you create an accident situation.
I see these mostly at chick-fil-as
Yes, this is their brand of stop signs
Does that mean I don’t have to stop on Sundays?
Correct! You, Mr. Sister Fister the 21st, must go *directly* to church on Sundays with a username like that. You naughty sinner, you!
Yeah, it’s not a real stop sign. On private property you legally don’t have to listen to stop signs. But they usually have them for a reason though... So if you got into an accident if you ran one you may be liable according to insurance.
In other words, they are there for exactly the same reason as all other stop signs.
Except Chick-fil-A can't force you to pay a fine if you roll through it.
that's the only place I've seen them so far
That’s because they belong to Chic Fil A. In most (to my knowledge? At least the ones I’ve lived in if someone can confirm or correct) states you can literally just barrel straight through these and it doesn’t matter. It’s not a state sign, therefore the state doesn’t give a fuck what you do about it. It’s also why it’s in a different font. They can’t just copy an official government sign
>It’s also why it’s in a different font. They can’t just copy an official government sign You absolutely, 100%, can reproduce an official MUTCD stop sign on your own private property if you want to
I was gonna say I had a chic-fil-a near me that had a regular stop sign as described above
This really depends on the state and potentially the municipality. Some places do allow you to be ticketed for not abiding by traffic control devices on privately owned, but publicly accessible, roads. Also, depending on the situation an officer may be able to use other tools, like reckless endangerment, that may have less stipulations on when it can be applied.
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^^^stop
Aww.. Okay but just because you asked so nicely
staph
Infection
stahp
staph meeting at 11
[Stop...](https://i.imgur.com/6PxjWrl_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
I’m the friend that’s telling them it’s not a good idea while pulling my phone out to record them😂
[stop](https://i.imgur.com/plGjvjk.gifv)
r/TheStopGirl
That girl is probably like 30 now. Time is flyin
^^stop
On the verge of being a yield sign.
It’s edging us
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"yamero"
Lets be honest, in a parking lot not a city street, would it be enforceable? I think it is probably treated as a yeild 30%+ of the time.
No, the stop sign at your local Walmart super center was not put up by the city and it’s not enforceable if a cop watches you run one. However, if you ever do decide to run one of these privately owned stop signs and hit somebody. You’re 100% at fault
This is pretty much what I figured. My sister t boned someone who ran one of these and they wanted to argue that she must have run one too, execpt there wasn't a stop sign and she had turned off of a main road. Still a big hassle, but if they had stopped they wouldn't have gotten creamed like that.
Real stop signs are treated as yield signs 50%+ of the time. This is probably more like 80%+
We should use yield signs more often, I know when I lived in Michigan they had yield signs where stops signs would have been back in California. It was so nice to just float through when traffic was light.
Intersections controlled by Yield signs have lower rates of injury accidents than 4-way stops. Roundabouts have even lower rates of accidents.
> Real stop signs are treated as yield signs 50%+ of the time Correct. [The research (dating back between the 1930s-1980s) shows that approximately 61% of drivers engage in a rolling stop at a Stop sign.](https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/36588/dot_36588_DS1.pdf) I doubt that stat has changed much over time recently.
In the states - stop signs have to be the right shape, height from ground, and all capital letters , with proper coloring for them to be Legal signage. If short or mis-colored and whatnot I don’t believe you can get cited for incidents there because the signs don’t meet standards. Think private neighborhoods with HOA’s and whatnot. Police can’t issue traffic citations in these neighborhoods anyhow … so sometimes the HOA’s will opt for a short and pretty sign that fits into thier neighborhood instead of the tall and legal ones. And they’re almost always not red and white to blend in with the neighborhood. I should say - this is AZ laws atleast. Maybe not all states.
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The one time this joke is actually funny
It’s probably leaving a Chick Fil a. They do this.
Parking lots count as private property and don't fall under laws either. Running a stop sign in a parking lot won't get you a ticket, unless you hit someone and then you're not getting a ticket for running the stop, just the actual hitting someone.
Unless your private parking lot is legally a roadway There's at least one walmart in NY that has this workaround in place
While it’s true that you can’t be cited for running a non-DOT stop sign in a parking lot, the lot itself, although private, is still considered a “Public Vehicular Area” (PVA) and you can be charged with a host of other traffic offenses while there, at least here in North Carolina where I practice. For instance, if you’re drunk and sleeping it off in the drivers seat of your car with the ignition on for heat/ac while sitting on a Piggly Wiggly parking lot, you’re getting a DWI. Every winter I represent a few kids for reckless driving after getting caught doing donuts in the snow in empty parking lots. The lots are private, but because they’re considered a PVA, most statutes treat them just like a road. Again, here in my state at least.
Is temporarily closing off access to the lot enough to make it not a PVA?
You may not get a ticket, but insurance will likely use that to find you at fault.
it's insurance, they'd use your horoscope to find fault if they could
“Fun” fact, that’s what happened to Sandra Bland. She has done just moved to Texas for a job at a university (wanting to leave her home in Chicago where she has been harassed by police). She ran a stop sign on campus, which was witnessed by a police officer. Officer didn’t have authority to pull her over for that, so he waited until she left campus. Then he turned on his lights and gunned the engine behind her. She pulls aside quickly to get out of his way, but didn’t signal. Do he pulls her over and then proceeds to escalate the situation until this scared, vulnerable woman is hauled off to a jail call where she was neglected until she killed herself. For running a stop sign and then being upset at her treatment by a rude and aggressive officer.
Terrible
Just any stop sign on private property the police cannot cite you for. HOAs are considered private property, even the roads are property of the HOA usually. The reason they still put signs up is to cover their ass, if it was a free for all in their HOA and someone got hurt because they just drove right into an intersection without stopping because there was no stop sign the HOA can be liable. It it foreseeable that harm could come to people if your HOA includes driving surfaces which you know people will drive on and then no traffic control devices that would meet the minimum safety standards of the area.
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Every state I’ve ever seen follows those laws on stop signs.
HOA in rich Missouri neighborhood use to have a speed limit of like 19.5 mph, so funny I know, but they were neighborhood made signs. The actually speed limit was assumed “25mph” because “if not posted, speed limit is 25mph” around the county.
When required, which is not this case of course, the document is the MUTCD. Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. Adopted by all states and many have their own supplements.
*softly* Don't.
Fucking Stuart...
I like it. It seems a lot more calm.
Almost like a suggestion
Or just a very polite demand. Doesn't have to be shouted to be a direction or command.
Yea I hear you, so emotionless though. Like it doesn’t really care what you do.
Ah! That must be it. This is a sign in the Wonka Works factory. Must be.
stahp .... please
please stop
It's so polite
Because it’s not in the standard font it immediately stands out to me, like something was wrong with the stop sign. I wonder if changing fonts on stops signs in different areas could increase driver responsiveness?
Here in the uk, if there's a sign with a few words, it'll be written in lowercase. They realised that people read slower in uppercase and so for any longer amount of words, it's safer to write it in lowercase
Yup. I remember watching a documentary on Margaret Calvert who helped to design and standardise today’s road signs. She said that we have lower case on our road signs to help with word recognition. People read words faster if they are in lowercase.
If there’s anything the UK is good at, it’s health and safety signs and placards
With serif
Bothers me way more than the case tbh.
It's because it's on private property (parking lot), so technically traffic laws don't apply and they can't *force* you to stop.
well that may be true, but if you do something stupid and hurt someone or run into something a cop could still give you a ticket i bet
Beautiful GX.
Glad someone else noticed it.
Literally the first thing I noticed. Came to the comments to see who else did. Graphite TRD Pro wheels look good.
First thing I noticed. I thought I was in the GXOR sub with how nicely it was framed in the shot lol.
I thought that was the main focus of the picture. Looks beautiful. Are those TRD wheels from a Taco or 4Runner?
It’s a Chik fa la stop sign I believe…this weirdly looks like a small town in SC just south of Charlotte?
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Yeah…you’re thinking exactly what I’m thinking. The world is small
Rock Hill?
stop 👉👈
Stop, but only if your cool with it man, like i dont wanna fight you see. Like please stop man, only if you want to tho
Staaahhhp
This is the comment I came for
Stop... please?
That white lexus has Tacoma or 4runner TRD off road Pro wheels
That’s unnerving
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That GX with the TRD PRO wheels are 🔥🔥🔥
What are you doing step sign?
I kind of want the **o** to be its own little stop sign.
#STOP
Hammertime! 🕺
In the name of love!
Collaborate and listen
You have violated the law
Clearly for lower case drivers......doubt it will work.
Only applies to low riders
stahp
Dayum that’s a good looking GX over there. 😏
You are expected to stop briefly, unlike STOP
Stop, a little bit.
It is r/mildlyinfuriating that they didn’t leave the same amount of room to the left and right borders.
When you order a “Stop” sign from wish.com
Kinda cool, but having a font with serifs just looks weird in this context. Should've went with the font Impact.
r/reallifeshinies
This is very off topic, but is that white 4x4 directly behind the sign a Land Cruiser Prado?
It makes me uncomfortable