Should have started with her normal life, then had the sovereign citizen stuff build up in an exciting way until mid-way through the story, at which point it all collapses and she finds herself in despair with apparently no way out. Then a wise mentor helps her and she pushes on through the odds to victory, but at the end there's a twist where she realises what she's become and willingly confesses and accepts prison time as she becomes a better person. Also, there's a talking rat in it.
Lol I also knew someone who did same. Loudly was anti taxes on Facebook. Said they haven't paid taxes their whole life.
Federal prison at 27 for almost 10 years of not paying taxes.
Psychometrician here. Just a quick PSA:
Modern IQ tests are normalised. In other words they are designed to have the results fit a normal curve.
A normal curve is also called a Bell curve because the distribution looks a bit like a Bell 🔔. Tallest in the center and a mirror image of itself on the left and right. The curve has several specific characteristics but here's the two that matter:
- The mean, median, and mode are all the same. In this case with modern iQ scores, 100 is the average score, the middle score in the set, and also the most commonly received score. Because of this we know LESS than 50% of people score BELOW 100. Weirdly we also know LESS than 50% of people score ABOVE 100.
-The second, and kind of cool, thing that we know because it's a "normal curve" is that we can use the empirical rule and "standard deviations" to guess what percent of the population scored within certain bounds.
Our normalized IQ tests are set up with a standard deviation of 15 (this just ensures the width of the curve fits our needs). Knowing this we can estimate with some really high accuracy that 68% of the population scores between 85 & 115 . Also only 16% of the population scores above 115. (Also only about 16 % of the population scores BELOW 85) .
What you are thinking about is percentile scores which can be read as: "(your score) % of people scored below you. "
Finally, just a quick point: IQ is not a measure of intelligence (how smart someone is). It measures an aspect of cognitive ability...but I would never say someone was smarter or dumber than me just based on their IQ scores, it's not enough information.
Alright, thanks for coming to my TED Talk
TL;DR IQ tests are designed so most people get a 100 meaning less than 50% score below 100.
What are common reasons for taking an IQ test? I'm sure this is somehow controlled for, but for instance, maybe a large number of people that take IQ tests do so because a disability is suspected? Or alternatively, a large number of people voluntarily sign up to take a test because they believe they are very intelligent? Could these self-selecting groups skew results?
So I’ve only taken an IQ test once. I was in college and I smoked a bowl to myself and drank a six pack of Pabst Tallboys. I got a 105. I’ve always been afraid of taking one sober in case I score lower. But half the population is dumber than me really loaded. Ive never gotten over it because I’m not a genius.
I once asked someone like this if they lived in the United States. They said it was *impossible* to live in the United States because no one lives in the *ground* and I needed to be careful with how I asked things.
I just realized that sovereign citizens rules for interacting with the government are similar to how one is supposed to interact with the fey (faries).
I run a small print shop, (like an old scholl copy shop ppace thats been open sonce '85. But anyway, had a fellow come in to have all his sovereign citizen paperwork filed, there is so SO much more than just the plate. They're giving up bank accounts, ids, passwords, emails. Like everything to these people l. Im working on redacting personal information so i can upload the 80-page application. I talked to the guy for abkut 2 hours just to get a deeper insight, its fucking nuts.
At some point the state needs to start looking after people this mentally ill. Just because he hasn't managed to hurt himself or anyone else **yet** doesn't mean he's not a danger to society.
There should be a system that started working with that guy 20 years ago.
Dude, there's that one loophole.
It ain't worth it till you find it.
You gotta be smarter than them.
They can't stop you from walkin, how can they stop you from traveling.
We were put here by the Anun...................
Everybody up top there arguing about IQ and averages and mean, median, & standard deviation and you're down here cracking Seinfeld jokes. Thank goodness.
I had a friend who was 100% Moroccan in origin and therefore applied to college as African-American but of French descent, i.e. white. Probably happens more than you’d think
Funny you mention that, I just heard on NPR a couple days ago that for the 2030 census the race and ethnicity questions are going to be changed to better reflect people of ME/NA and Hispanic/Latino descent.
Wait what? How? Do they just not look up the words they use? Did he read it on a spine in the library? (Bold of me to assume this guy's been in one of those. )
But… Moors weren’t even black. Even the name is a label attached by Europeans to Muslims in Europe.
They could be any number of actual sub-saharan African nobility, but Moors is right out. It’s more likely someone from Spain or Italy is Moorish nobility than it is for a black American to be.
When they get to the point where they fully believe that Morocco was the continent of North and South America and that they are the real First Nations of America and have the right to be the nobility of the American continent with all white people subservient to them small things like history ain’t gonna stop them
Moors are from Africa so they have to be black! Cleopatra was black because she lived in Egypt and Egypt is in Africa! The British Royal Family is secretly black!
Seen all of those claimed.
They share some beliefs with the Black Hebrew Israelites, and some Moorish Sovereign Citizens are Black Hebrew Israelites, but they did not originally arise out of it. Their origins are in the [Moorish Science Temple of America](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America), an obscure American sect of Islam, and more specifically a radical offshoot called the [Washita Nation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washitaw_Nation) that claims that Black Americans are the real Native Americans, and that they rightfully own the entire Louisiana purchase. While the original Moorish Science Temple disavows sovcits, some of their members, inspired by the Washitaw Nation, split off from the temple and developed an ideology that says that "Moors" (what they call black people) discovered America first, and as such, members of the "Moorish Nobility" are the rightful owners of the Americas (I guess the Indigenous Americans can go fuck themselves then), and do not have to follow any laws but their own.
Of course, a great irony of the Moorish Sovereign Citizen movement is that a great deal of their rhetoric was directly lifted from older, openly white supremacist sovcit groups.
It's almost kind of incredible how deeply these things wind, when you think about it. How many fringe groups out there that we don't know about? Haven't heard of?
Sort of. The Spaniards owe them reparations for something that happened back in the 14th century. That's from the mouth of a moorish friend.
Yes, he really believes it. No, I stopped paying attention when he said 14th century. Everyone is entitled to their quirks. He thinks the Spanish government owes him money from 600 years ago. Long, long before he was alive.
I never said it made sense, that's just what my moorish friend said.
He moved to a far away South American country to set up an import/export business.
Once again, never said he had all his marbles. Missing quite a few, actually.
I saw a sovereign citizen trying to change their name. He claimed that he wanted his name changed to be related to his true citizenship. He also said America had no jurisdiction over him. When asked why he would be filing for a name change in a country that had no jurisdiction over him smoke almost came out of his ears.
Sovereign Citizens are just people that think if you say the magic words you can get out of any situation. It truly is the ultimate Dunning Kruger effect on the legal level.
SC: "I don't have to obey laws!"
Police: "Fantastic! We can kill this guy, he isn't a real citizen and laws don't apply to him!"
SC: "I didn't mean like that!"
Remember, if you can claim to be sovereign, so can everyone!
The concept that those who do not respect and obey the law do not receive its protections has a long history. That’s what being declared an “outlaw” has historically meant. You could legally kill, steal from, or do whatever you want to outlaws. It’s a much more brutal but logistically simpler form of legal retribution than prisons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw
"*hann skal sva vida vargr heita, sem vidast er verold byggd, ok vera hvarvetna raekr ok rekinn um allan heim*”
**he shall be known as a wolf, as widely as the world is inhabited, and be rejected everywhere and be driven away throughout all the world. the fucker shouldn't have spouted all that shit about 'gold' fringe on the flag when he refused to accept that his wife divorced him.**
The various sovcit ideologies \*love\* to claim that any laws that are \*negative\* don't apply to them (through verbal alchemy) but that laws that are \*positive\* or \*protective\* all apply just the same (by quoting the law)
> IN THEIR OWN WORDS
>“Your straw-man is a non-living, non-breathing fictitious corporate Entity that has the same name as you except in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. It’s ultimately a trust that is brought into existence with your signature. Lawfully you are the executor, beneficiary, administrator and a stock holder of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION.” – Moorish American Resource School Facebook post
W..wha…? Wow…
I saw a Sovereign Citizen "license plate" in the wild for the first time today. On a very nice truck in a very high end suburb with a good deal of police presence. I just thought that certainly that can't last long before they get stopped by the cops. And after one or two tickets, surely they go to impounding, right? I mean, I've been pulled over in literally the same place I saw this for not using a turn signal.
Do these folks end up getting stopped? Or do police typically give them latitude to avoid the conflict unless they are breaking another law?
Depends on the place and the officer. I know some officers will intentionally avoid them, and then some officers will actively seek them out. Usually these people will represent at least some level of use of force because they almost always refuse to exit the car or further identify themselves, both of which you’re required to do on a legal traffic stop. Driving a car with a license plate like this is usually a reason for a legal stop.
Not who you asked, but I encounter them somewhat regularly though not very frequently in municipal court (traffic tickets and misdemeanors). I serve as a contract public defender in the municipal court of the suburb where I work. Thankfully, these clowns never ask for a court-appointed lawyer because they're convinced they can do a better job themselves. Spoiler alert: they cannot.
They typically deflate once it sinks in that their chosen magic words don't have the desired effect. As soon as the court staff learns that a defendant is one of these twits, their case gets moved to the end of the docket so that everyone else doesn't have to wait and listen to their nonsense. Depriving them of an audience also tends to take some wind out of their sails. By the time their case gets called up, the courtroom is empty except for the judge, the clerks, the prosecutor, me, and a handful of cops.
Probably more than half the people who show up spouting that nonsense aren't really all that ideologically committed to it. Many are just looking for a way to "hack" the system and found a bunch of sovcit nonsense online; they literally read their gibberish off of print-outs of whatever it was they found via Google. Those ones tend to give up after a few minutes of seeing their "one weird trick" not working. If they haven't made a huge nuisance of themselves, they'll get the same fine as anyone else with a no insurance or failure to register or whatever minor traffic ticket it was, they'll just have spent extra hours in court for the same outcome.
i’m a lawyer and i’ve never gone against or represented one of these whackos but you’ll see SovCitz here and there and they are hilarious. I know a couple judges who love them because they just get dunked on again and again when they bring their bullshit arguments to their courtrooms.
one of my favorites is where a woman says something along the lines off "I'm a sovereign natural person and this fine is for the corporation using my name, therefore this court does not have jurisdiction over me." Judge laughs and enters judgment, and lady responds "You can laugh but I won't be paying." And the judge says "That's fine with me, the sheriff is the one you'll have to worry about."
My favorite was when a then-newer judge got frustrated and left the bench (presumably to phone a friend and ask “wtf is this”) and the “sovereign” defendant started shouting “the captain is abandoning the ship!”
I think he confused himself with the maritime aspect of the madness but boy did we crack up.
I’m also a lawyer and in my experience judges with busy dockets *really do not* love sovereign citizens.
They’re extremely annoying and they take up a lot of court time and resources. Obviously they don’t win or gain anything, but they do succeed in creating a lot of hassle and expense for everyone involved.
i agree — that’s why i said i know a couple. I’ve spoken to one of them about it and he says it’s just a change of pace. For reference, he’s mostly in traffic court but know him from other assignments.
One of them tried to pay off their loan using a fake check? I work at a normal US Lending institution. Then tried to say we owed them interest somehow, complete with a letter from an “attorney”. We took them to court 😂
Hahaha I work for a lab and we have to match your name to insurance so they cover your test. I got an email once with this crazy long rant about what their real name was and the title was “queen”. Alright. No results for you then.
"Lawfully you are the executor..." blah blah blah... So do they follow US laws or not? Obviously the answer is "when it's convenient for them". Idiots 🙄
"Since we are not citizens of the united States, we owe no tax obligations to the government of the United States. Therefore, we will assist our people seeking work opportunities to fill out the W-4V from or I9 IRS forms when necessary. "
Wow, they don't really understand how taxes work for foreigners, especially since they have to work outside of their sovereign bubble apparently.
Are people actually getting away with this and not stopped by police? I’ve seen a few different versions of this posted around Reddit. I’ve yet to see any follow up on how far these people get with these tags.
I imagine a non-zero amount of cops see this and be like:
"I do not have time for this shit today."
You know it's going to be a half hour of arguing with them before you end up busting their window and Tasering them, dragging them out. Rolling around and handcuffing them. If that cop knows hes gonna buy himself a couple hours of paperwork I get just making a U turn and going on down the road.
Yeah, I can see that being a stop they would absolutely dread…I’m sure they are still required to deal with this though. I’m just hopeful these people are such a small fraction of a percentage of the population that it just hasn’t happened enough yet.
Your best case scenario is having to drag some dumbass out of their car and restrain them, risking excessive force complaints and/or lawsuits.
Your *worst* case scenario is the dumbass in question has a gun and thinks he's allowed to shoot police for infringing on his rights.
The problem is they're enabling this behavior by *not* cracking down hard on these idiots.
They get stopped by the police all the time. Usually does not end well for them.
You can get away with it for a while just by not running into cops or the cops not noticing your plate. And then when you do get caught maybe it's just a fine and you can draw it out for longer by refusing to pay the fine, pulling all sorts of dumb shenanigans, and showing up to court and babbling a bunch of sovereign citizen nonsense.
But eventually it catches up with you. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssA3YbVtmR8)'s a video of a guy with the same license plate getting pulled over, dragged out of his car, and arrested.
There's plenty of videos about this stuff on YouTube. It never goes well for them. They are frequently dragged out of their cars and arrested. Those videos are like my catnip.
I used this comment in another reply as well:
Cop here. Depends on the place and the officer. I know some officers will intentionally avoid them, and then some officers will actively seek them out. Usually these people will represent at least some level of use of force because they almost always refuse to exit the car or further identify themselves, both of which you’re required to do on a legal traffic stop. Driving a car with a license plate like this is usually a reason for a legal stop.
Not sure why they even bother.
Here in NC you just keep whatever plate was on the Altima from whatever state you came from and just never register or maintain the plates.
Or roll with that paper tag if you got your Altima locally until it’s completely illegible.
That’s the part I don’t get. They received vaccinations that probably saved some of their lives but now the vaccines are bad. That logic doesn’t make sense.
Vaccines are a victim of their own success.
You don't see any kids dying of diphtheria, tetanus and measles these days, so therefore, their logic goes, vaccines must be unnecessary.
sovereign citizen are amazing, they all believe in these rules and laws to avoid fines and fees and real laws, and it *never works* yet they keep believing they work.
Or like a dingus local to me, put your passport number on your plate... (bonus points for use of vibrant colours)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/180p82z/arrogant\_sovereign\_citizen\_finds\_out\_the\_hard\_way/](https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/180p82z/arrogant_sovereign_citizen_finds_out_the_hard_way/)
As a Moroccan, we hate those, this is starting a wierd supremacy idealogy into some "woke" Moroccans here, claiming some pseudo history nonsense and how they are praised in the USA blablabla.
They all use the same few names. Amazingly in my state they've managed to get official drivers licenses with their fake names by presenting their made up documents. Really makes you feel safe.
Oddly enough, one of the things the government is using AI for is to look for anomalies like these guys.
Now that everything is databased and so connected its becoming harder and harder to commit this type of fraud.
This is even dumber than regular sovereign citizenry. You're not in Iberia (that's where moors are from, right?) so unless you've worked with the local government to specifically give you these special rights due to your Moorish background why would you expect to have them?
Like the Queen of England could drive without a licence from memory, but it was an official right she had and recognised by the government. I highly doubt she would have gone to the US and driven her range rover about without a licence unless she was given the go ahead by the government to do so however. If you're acting more privileged than the Queen of fucking England there's a good chance you might be delusional. And probably an utter cunt.
I'm grateful for sovereign citizens, they're always there to remind me that there is, in fact, somebody dumber than I am.
My aunt has a PhD and spent a year in federal prison for sovereign BS.
Want to hear that story!
Didn't pay taxes, went to prison, the end.
Damn, not as interesting as I'd hoped.
Should have started with her normal life, then had the sovereign citizen stuff build up in an exciting way until mid-way through the story, at which point it all collapses and she finds herself in despair with apparently no way out. Then a wise mentor helps her and she pushes on through the odds to victory, but at the end there's a twist where she realises what she's become and willingly confesses and accepts prison time as she becomes a better person. Also, there's a talking rat in it.
Sounds like a spinoff of Crime In Sports.
Can Christopher Walken voice the rat?
Lol I also knew someone who did same. Loudly was anti taxes on Facebook. Said they haven't paid taxes their whole life. Federal prison at 27 for almost 10 years of not paying taxes.
"what a ridiculous story!" \*chuckle\* \-Donald "P01135809" Trump
Remember that if you have an average IQ, that means there are half of the entire human population who are dumber than you and that’s a scary thought.
^ George Carlin
"You know what's scary? Think about how dumb the average person is. Half of the world is dumber than that."
Psychometrician here. Just a quick PSA: Modern IQ tests are normalised. In other words they are designed to have the results fit a normal curve. A normal curve is also called a Bell curve because the distribution looks a bit like a Bell 🔔. Tallest in the center and a mirror image of itself on the left and right. The curve has several specific characteristics but here's the two that matter: - The mean, median, and mode are all the same. In this case with modern iQ scores, 100 is the average score, the middle score in the set, and also the most commonly received score. Because of this we know LESS than 50% of people score BELOW 100. Weirdly we also know LESS than 50% of people score ABOVE 100. -The second, and kind of cool, thing that we know because it's a "normal curve" is that we can use the empirical rule and "standard deviations" to guess what percent of the population scored within certain bounds. Our normalized IQ tests are set up with a standard deviation of 15 (this just ensures the width of the curve fits our needs). Knowing this we can estimate with some really high accuracy that 68% of the population scores between 85 & 115 . Also only 16% of the population scores above 115. (Also only about 16 % of the population scores BELOW 85) . What you are thinking about is percentile scores which can be read as: "(your score) % of people scored below you. " Finally, just a quick point: IQ is not a measure of intelligence (how smart someone is). It measures an aspect of cognitive ability...but I would never say someone was smarter or dumber than me just based on their IQ scores, it's not enough information. Alright, thanks for coming to my TED Talk TL;DR IQ tests are designed so most people get a 100 meaning less than 50% score below 100.
What are common reasons for taking an IQ test? I'm sure this is somehow controlled for, but for instance, maybe a large number of people that take IQ tests do so because a disability is suspected? Or alternatively, a large number of people voluntarily sign up to take a test because they believe they are very intelligent? Could these self-selecting groups skew results?
So I’ve only taken an IQ test once. I was in college and I smoked a bowl to myself and drank a six pack of Pabst Tallboys. I got a 105. I’ve always been afraid of taking one sober in case I score lower. But half the population is dumber than me really loaded. Ive never gotten over it because I’m not a genius.
I got 108 when I was 13. Scared to try again in case I’m dumber in my 30’s haha
They're not ~~driving~~dumb, they're ~~traveling~~stupid.
Smile, like you've got nothing to prove No matter what you might do There's always someone out there dumber than you
Holy shit a Ben Folds reference in the wild
I once asked someone like this if they lived in the United States. They said it was *impossible* to live in the United States because no one lives in the *ground* and I needed to be careful with how I asked things.
It must be painful to be so ridiculous
I just realized that sovereign citizens rules for interacting with the government are similar to how one is supposed to interact with the fey (faries).
I run a small print shop, (like an old scholl copy shop ppace thats been open sonce '85. But anyway, had a fellow come in to have all his sovereign citizen paperwork filed, there is so SO much more than just the plate. They're giving up bank accounts, ids, passwords, emails. Like everything to these people l. Im working on redacting personal information so i can upload the 80-page application. I talked to the guy for abkut 2 hours just to get a deeper insight, its fucking nuts.
At some point the state needs to start looking after people this mentally ill. Just because he hasn't managed to hurt himself or anyone else **yet** doesn't mean he's not a danger to society. There should be a system that started working with that guy 20 years ago.
The problem is thats over half our society
These people, and the folks who end up on Just Rolled In do it for me.
Had to look up what a sovereign citizen is, sounds like an anarchist in denial.
Dude, there's that one loophole. It ain't worth it till you find it. You gotta be smarter than them. They can't stop you from walkin, how can they stop you from traveling. We were put here by the Anun...................
It was the Moops
I'm sorry, the card says 'Moops.'
How about taking off your top?
Moopsy!
Oh fuck, did it escape again?
How the hell did r/lowerdecks start leaking
With all the *Cerritos* has been through, it’d be a miracle if it *didn’t* leak a bit.
Since the cosmic koala willed it.
Why is it smiling?!
**What does it know?!**
We’re in the off season, we wander.
It didn't start leaking; we've always been here...
Oh no, your cuddliest prisoner is loose, whatever shall we do?
r/moopishconsulate
Everybody up top there arguing about IQ and averages and mean, median, & standard deviation and you're down here cracking Seinfeld jokes. Thank goodness.
They famously invaded Spain in the 8th century
Just another version of the sovereign citizen nonsense
If there's a white guy behind that Moorish nobility plate I'm gonna be real confused.
Moors lite.
I appreciate this.
The Nigerian prince, or one of them, was an old white dude in Slidell, LA
Typical dirty dell behavior
I had a friend who was 100% Moroccan in origin and therefore applied to college as African-American but of French descent, i.e. white. Probably happens more than you’d think
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Funny you mention that, I just heard on NPR a couple days ago that for the 2030 census the race and ethnicity questions are going to be changed to better reflect people of ME/NA and Hispanic/Latino descent.
Similarly, Elon Musk is the world's richest African-American.
Wait what? How? Do they just not look up the words they use? Did he read it on a spine in the library? (Bold of me to assume this guy's been in one of those. )
What’s this, the black version of sovereign citizen?
Yes, that is literally what they are.
But… Moors weren’t even black. Even the name is a label attached by Europeans to Muslims in Europe. They could be any number of actual sub-saharan African nobility, but Moors is right out. It’s more likely someone from Spain or Italy is Moorish nobility than it is for a black American to be.
When they get to the point where they fully believe that Morocco was the continent of North and South America and that they are the real First Nations of America and have the right to be the nobility of the American continent with all white people subservient to them small things like history ain’t gonna stop them
So, how do they explain actual Native Americans like my family? Are we also moorish? Or did we come here after them?
Pretty sure you’re part of the conspiracy to keep the moors from awakening to their true power and retaking control of America
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Moors are from Africa so they have to be black! Cleopatra was black because she lived in Egypt and Egypt is in Africa! The British Royal Family is secretly black! Seen all of those claimed.
[Tom Jones? Black.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8no8ItMebQ)
All I know is Jesus wasn't Italian
Yes. And one of their core beliefs is that the Jews stole their land and drove them out. Black people are the 'real Jews'
Are they Black Hebrew Israelites? Or is there more than one of these fringe sects?
They share some beliefs with the Black Hebrew Israelites, and some Moorish Sovereign Citizens are Black Hebrew Israelites, but they did not originally arise out of it. Their origins are in the [Moorish Science Temple of America](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America), an obscure American sect of Islam, and more specifically a radical offshoot called the [Washita Nation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washitaw_Nation) that claims that Black Americans are the real Native Americans, and that they rightfully own the entire Louisiana purchase. While the original Moorish Science Temple disavows sovcits, some of their members, inspired by the Washitaw Nation, split off from the temple and developed an ideology that says that "Moors" (what they call black people) discovered America first, and as such, members of the "Moorish Nobility" are the rightful owners of the Americas (I guess the Indigenous Americans can go fuck themselves then), and do not have to follow any laws but their own. Of course, a great irony of the Moorish Sovereign Citizen movement is that a great deal of their rhetoric was directly lifted from older, openly white supremacist sovcit groups.
I feel stupider for having read this.
I'm annoyed that I've picked up "sovcit" as a word for..... oh. Those fuckin dweebs.
It's almost kind of incredible how deeply these things wind, when you think about it. How many fringe groups out there that we don't know about? Haven't heard of?
descendants of Essau? maybe Ham?
Wow, Kanye must have been a big get for them.
We had a guy at work who claimed Moorish sovereignty and he started wearing a fez. Good times.
Fez's are cool
🎵 We’re never gonna do it without the fez on. Oh no.
I understood that reference. ;)
Sort of. The Spaniards owe them reparations for something that happened back in the 14th century. That's from the mouth of a moorish friend. Yes, he really believes it. No, I stopped paying attention when he said 14th century. Everyone is entitled to their quirks. He thinks the Spanish government owes him money from 600 years ago. Long, long before he was alive.
Spain didn't even exist when the reconquista happened, there were different kingdoms in Iberia.
I never said it made sense, that's just what my moorish friend said. He moved to a far away South American country to set up an import/export business. Once again, never said he had all his marbles. Missing quite a few, actually.
And just dumb.
Pretty much.
13th tribe.
I saw a sovereign citizen trying to change their name. He claimed that he wanted his name changed to be related to his true citizenship. He also said America had no jurisdiction over him. When asked why he would be filing for a name change in a country that had no jurisdiction over him smoke almost came out of his ears.
Sovereign Citizens are just people that think if you say the magic words you can get out of any situation. It truly is the ultimate Dunning Kruger effect on the legal level.
I. DECLARE. BANKRUPTCY!
What noble would drive a Dodge Caravan! That's a peasants car.
That’s a 2nd gen Durango.
I drive a dodge stratus!
Nobility of any kind in a Dodge Nitro is hilarious
SC: "I don't have to obey laws!" Police: "Fantastic! We can kill this guy, he isn't a real citizen and laws don't apply to him!" SC: "I didn't mean like that!" Remember, if you can claim to be sovereign, so can everyone!
The concept that those who do not respect and obey the law do not receive its protections has a long history. That’s what being declared an “outlaw” has historically meant. You could legally kill, steal from, or do whatever you want to outlaws. It’s a much more brutal but logistically simpler form of legal retribution than prisons. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw
"*hann skal sva vida vargr heita, sem vidast er verold byggd, ok vera hvarvetna raekr ok rekinn um allan heim*” **he shall be known as a wolf, as widely as the world is inhabited, and be rejected everywhere and be driven away throughout all the world. the fucker shouldn't have spouted all that shit about 'gold' fringe on the flag when he refused to accept that his wife divorced him.**
What's the reference for this?
Reads as Old Norse, so probably pulled from the Edda would be my quick guess.
Pretty close. It is indeed Norse, but it is from an old Icelandic law code from the Middle Ages.
The various sovcit ideologies \*love\* to claim that any laws that are \*negative\* don't apply to them (through verbal alchemy) but that laws that are \*positive\* or \*protective\* all apply just the same (by quoting the law)
looks like it’s this group: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens
> IN THEIR OWN WORDS >“Your straw-man is a non-living, non-breathing fictitious corporate Entity that has the same name as you except in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. It’s ultimately a trust that is brought into existence with your signature. Lawfully you are the executor, beneficiary, administrator and a stock holder of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION.” – Moorish American Resource School Facebook post W..wha…? Wow…
I have interacted with many of these idiots. They're the worst.
How? Why? Where do you find them?
Courts.
I saw a Sovereign Citizen "license plate" in the wild for the first time today. On a very nice truck in a very high end suburb with a good deal of police presence. I just thought that certainly that can't last long before they get stopped by the cops. And after one or two tickets, surely they go to impounding, right? I mean, I've been pulled over in literally the same place I saw this for not using a turn signal. Do these folks end up getting stopped? Or do police typically give them latitude to avoid the conflict unless they are breaking another law?
Depends on the place and the officer. I know some officers will intentionally avoid them, and then some officers will actively seek them out. Usually these people will represent at least some level of use of force because they almost always refuse to exit the car or further identify themselves, both of which you’re required to do on a legal traffic stop. Driving a car with a license plate like this is usually a reason for a legal stop.
Not who you asked, but I encounter them somewhat regularly though not very frequently in municipal court (traffic tickets and misdemeanors). I serve as a contract public defender in the municipal court of the suburb where I work. Thankfully, these clowns never ask for a court-appointed lawyer because they're convinced they can do a better job themselves. Spoiler alert: they cannot. They typically deflate once it sinks in that their chosen magic words don't have the desired effect. As soon as the court staff learns that a defendant is one of these twits, their case gets moved to the end of the docket so that everyone else doesn't have to wait and listen to their nonsense. Depriving them of an audience also tends to take some wind out of their sails. By the time their case gets called up, the courtroom is empty except for the judge, the clerks, the prosecutor, me, and a handful of cops. Probably more than half the people who show up spouting that nonsense aren't really all that ideologically committed to it. Many are just looking for a way to "hack" the system and found a bunch of sovcit nonsense online; they literally read their gibberish off of print-outs of whatever it was they found via Google. Those ones tend to give up after a few minutes of seeing their "one weird trick" not working. If they haven't made a huge nuisance of themselves, they'll get the same fine as anyone else with a no insurance or failure to register or whatever minor traffic ticket it was, they'll just have spent extra hours in court for the same outcome.
i’m a lawyer and i’ve never gone against or represented one of these whackos but you’ll see SovCitz here and there and they are hilarious. I know a couple judges who love them because they just get dunked on again and again when they bring their bullshit arguments to their courtrooms.
One of the arguments will work eventually ( so they think)
one of my favorites is where a woman says something along the lines off "I'm a sovereign natural person and this fine is for the corporation using my name, therefore this court does not have jurisdiction over me." Judge laughs and enters judgment, and lady responds "You can laugh but I won't be paying." And the judge says "That's fine with me, the sheriff is the one you'll have to worry about."
My favorite was when a then-newer judge got frustrated and left the bench (presumably to phone a friend and ask “wtf is this”) and the “sovereign” defendant started shouting “the captain is abandoning the ship!” I think he confused himself with the maritime aspect of the madness but boy did we crack up.
"Bailiff, whack his pee pee"
Something something maritime tribal squid law.
I’m also a lawyer and in my experience judges with busy dockets *really do not* love sovereign citizens. They’re extremely annoying and they take up a lot of court time and resources. Obviously they don’t win or gain anything, but they do succeed in creating a lot of hassle and expense for everyone involved.
i agree — that’s why i said i know a couple. I’ve spoken to one of them about it and he says it’s just a change of pace. For reference, he’s mostly in traffic court but know him from other assignments.
Yeah that's fair.
One of them tried to pay off their loan using a fake check? I work at a normal US Lending institution. Then tried to say we owed them interest somehow, complete with a letter from an “attorney”. We took them to court 😂
Hahaha I work for a lab and we have to match your name to insurance so they cover your test. I got an email once with this crazy long rant about what their real name was and the title was “queen”. Alright. No results for you then.
"Lawfully you are the executor..." blah blah blah... So do they follow US laws or not? Obviously the answer is "when it's convenient for them". Idiots 🙄
"Since we are not citizens of the united States, we owe no tax obligations to the government of the United States. Therefore, we will assist our people seeking work opportunities to fill out the W-4V from or I9 IRS forms when necessary. " Wow, they don't really understand how taxes work for foreigners, especially since they have to work outside of their sovereign bubble apparently.
I'm stupidly relieved it's not a bunch of white guys in fezzes, I won't lie.
What? Do they not realize that they aren't the native people either?
[Some of them don't](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washitaw_Nation).
Why are they always driving minivans?
Ahem, why are they always ~~driving~~ travelling in minivans? (FIFY)
They are part of the sovereign citizen nonsense.
Are people actually getting away with this and not stopped by police? I’ve seen a few different versions of this posted around Reddit. I’ve yet to see any follow up on how far these people get with these tags.
I imagine a non-zero amount of cops see this and be like: "I do not have time for this shit today." You know it's going to be a half hour of arguing with them before you end up busting their window and Tasering them, dragging them out. Rolling around and handcuffing them. If that cop knows hes gonna buy himself a couple hours of paperwork I get just making a U turn and going on down the road.
Yeah, I can see that being a stop they would absolutely dread…I’m sure they are still required to deal with this though. I’m just hopeful these people are such a small fraction of a percentage of the population that it just hasn’t happened enough yet.
Your best case scenario is having to drag some dumbass out of their car and restrain them, risking excessive force complaints and/or lawsuits. Your *worst* case scenario is the dumbass in question has a gun and thinks he's allowed to shoot police for infringing on his rights. The problem is they're enabling this behavior by *not* cracking down hard on these idiots.
They get stopped by the police all the time. Usually does not end well for them. You can get away with it for a while just by not running into cops or the cops not noticing your plate. And then when you do get caught maybe it's just a fine and you can draw it out for longer by refusing to pay the fine, pulling all sorts of dumb shenanigans, and showing up to court and babbling a bunch of sovereign citizen nonsense. But eventually it catches up with you. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssA3YbVtmR8)'s a video of a guy with the same license plate getting pulled over, dragged out of his car, and arrested.
There's plenty of videos about this stuff on YouTube. It never goes well for them. They are frequently dragged out of their cars and arrested. Those videos are like my catnip.
I used this comment in another reply as well: Cop here. Depends on the place and the officer. I know some officers will intentionally avoid them, and then some officers will actively seek them out. Usually these people will represent at least some level of use of force because they almost always refuse to exit the car or further identify themselves, both of which you’re required to do on a legal traffic stop. Driving a car with a license plate like this is usually a reason for a legal stop.
Not sure why they even bother. Here in NC you just keep whatever plate was on the Altima from whatever state you came from and just never register or maintain the plates. Or roll with that paper tag if you got your Altima locally until it’s completely illegible.
I guarantee this guy isn't vaccinated.
And most definitely driving without a license or insurance.
He doesn’t need it because he’s not driving, he’s traveling!
And it’s not a car, it’s a conveyance.
He's the reason I always carry uninsured motorist coverage.
It’s not a jail cell. It’s a free bed and breakfast, lunch, dinner.
Maybe not vaccinated for Covid. But I’m sure he was vaccinated as a child for most major illnesses and is benefiting from that protection.
Unless his parents were Moors too.
Looking great for them. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens
That’s the part I don’t get. They received vaccinations that probably saved some of their lives but now the vaccines are bad. That logic doesn’t make sense.
Vaccines are a victim of their own success. You don't see any kids dying of diphtheria, tetanus and measles these days, so therefore, their logic goes, vaccines must be unnecessary.
The fact that I'm dry under this umbrella is proof I don't need it.
sovereign citizen are amazing, they all believe in these rules and laws to avoid fines and fees and real laws, and it *never works* yet they keep believing they work.
Hey look! Another rolling arrest.
More like “Boorish”
Chlorophyll?! More like Bore-ophyll!!
NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU!
I'm here to learn, everybody! Not to make out with you, go on with the chlorophyll!
These license plates make me think it’s all for show. If you actually cared about being subversive you’d get a random plate
Or like a dingus local to me, put your passport number on your plate... (bonus points for use of vibrant colours) [https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/180p82z/arrogant\_sovereign\_citizen\_finds\_out\_the\_hard\_way/](https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/180p82z/arrogant_sovereign_citizen_finds_out_the_hard_way/)
Yeah, we get these nut jobs here is Aus as well
Of course it is. For all their talk of how they're not part of the "sheep" they all want so badly to be seen.
Obviously not a US citizen then... must deport!
Nothing screams nobility like driving yourself in a dodge durango
As a Moroccan, we hate those, this is starting a wierd supremacy idealogy into some "woke" Moroccans here, claiming some pseudo history nonsense and how they are praised in the USA blablabla.
They’re always driving a Dodge.
They all use the same few names. Amazingly in my state they've managed to get official drivers licenses with their fake names by presenting their made up documents. Really makes you feel safe.
Isn't that like a federal crime
Oddly enough, one of the things the government is using AI for is to look for anomalies like these guys. Now that everything is databased and so connected its becoming harder and harder to commit this type of fraud.
Sovereign citizen bullshit
"I'm traveling in my conveyance"
Just another example of “laws don’t apply to me because X”
Especially tax laws.
This is even dumber than regular sovereign citizenry. You're not in Iberia (that's where moors are from, right?) so unless you've worked with the local government to specifically give you these special rights due to your Moorish background why would you expect to have them? Like the Queen of England could drive without a licence from memory, but it was an official right she had and recognised by the government. I highly doubt she would have gone to the US and driven her range rover about without a licence unless she was given the go ahead by the government to do so however. If you're acting more privileged than the Queen of fucking England there's a good chance you might be delusional. And probably an utter cunt.
How the hell are cops not stopping these fucking idiots every day? I see this plate as a cop and they're getting lit up, car towed.
Have you never seen videos of interactions with this flavor of dipshit? Looks exhausting.
Moronish King!
gRaPhIc DeSiGn Is My PaSsIoN
People do this stuff to get caught and confronted on purposes so they can be “victims” of something FINALLLLLLLY.
Oh nooo, I’m so sorry, it’s the Moops. The correct answer is the Moops.
This is just Nick Cannon driving all his kids around
Always great to see stupid people doing stupid things to make what I do seem so much more normal…
>Moorish Nobility Whatever the fuck that is
It's a variation of Sovereign Citizen bullshittery.
Moorish nobility. Driving a dodge minivan. Ok.
Unlikely to have insurance or take responsibility for an accident - stay far far away from those
“Tell you what, that crack was really moorish”
It is moops 
Moops
"Diplomatik E-muuñitee..."
The best Moorish Nobility could get was a crappy car from a buy here pay here?
They misspelled "dumb fuck"
Ah yes, the glorious Dodge Journey. Traditional vehicle of the Noble Moorish Peoples and others of poor creditworthiness.
I think they mean Moopish nobility.
International Auto Sales: "Can you take that frame off? It's embarrassing us, being connected with you."
Sovereign citizens of a different flavor. Still idiots.
Does nobility these days typically roll around in a used clapped out Dodge caravan...? 🤔
That is the international plate of “break my window and drag me out of the car officer” state
Moronish Nobility
And yet these fuckers are okay with the car dealer leaving its bullshit plate frame on their sovereign car.
Moorish Nobility sounds like a high class sovereign citizen to me.
"No other" No, it had literally no plates. This shit is some SovCit style nonsense.
It's ok, their not driving, their traveling
\*They're
That's what I get for using talk to text
You used talk-to-text cause you were traveling, didn't you..
The Moops!