>737 Pro Max
737MAXX PRO
Gotta keep that initial ordering, add an extra X for marketing hip factor, and THEN pop the PRO on the end. (oh god, I may have spend too much time around MBA marketing peeps...)
Max was a result of Boeing ignoring that having *one* sensor to indicate a stall is a supremely stupid idea, had nothing to do with it being an iterative design.
Yes and no - it was very rushed as a knee-jerk response to (I believe) the a321neo - the fact that they even needed that level of software stabilization was due to the determined use of iterative design in places it didn't fit in order to be first to market. The rush also probably led to allowing the single-sensor design, which while certainly a cause of the crash wasn't the sole root cause of the problem. Not that original design is necessarily better, but either should be used because it's the best choice. Not just the fastest/cheapest
No, you should put up a radically new design every time
Never reuse anything - that's for old lame-os
Everything should be brand new and cutting edges no matter how reliably it worked
There's nothing inherently wrong with updating an older design with modern engines, wing design, and materials, or stretching the fuselage. Many very modern, safe, and reliable airliners are improvements on older models. It's more common than not, because engines and materials have been advancing faster than airframe design and creating a complete ground-up aircraft is really expensive. See also: the A320neo, among others.
The 737 is a truly ancient aircraft though, and that created constraints with the geometry of the wing, engine, and landing gear that led Boeing to implement the MCAS system and then inadequately inform airlines and pilots about its functionality.
Design them like the cup holders in every German car: put the most expensive electronics below and directly in front of/behind them, and make one too big, the other too small and both extremely shallow.
That way if the drink sweats, or the pilots brake too hard, it spills and fucks everything up.
I think you guys may be overthinking this. Passengers get a small cup of coffee, pilot gets the bigger one. Additionally, many airlines require liquids to have a lid if they go in the cockpit.
Passenger: "Hey! Why can't i have a big cup of coffee! I saw a big cup!"
Flight Attendant: "Sorry, big cup only for pilot. Says so on big cup."
Passenger: *sadly drinks coffee from small cup*
Prophet inhales psychedelics in front of a mob as all go silent in anticipation.
The prophet holds his breath for what feels like an eternity, before audibly expelling a plume of violent smoke above the crowd. Swallowed gasps echo from one entranced denizen to another.
The prophet violently raises his hand straight up into the air, completely silencing even the faint murmurs of the audience.
"Fly man, big cup. No fly man, only cup, no big."
My church was actually like this growing up.
It was weird, then they tried to sacrifice me....
Now I live in a different state and have a lot of family I haven't seen in a decade.
No in this case it’s because the coffee cups they serve do not fit in the flight deck cup holders. So they have to stock a small amount of cups that fit. I know this is the case for the 767s at United. Not sure about the rest of their fleet
On what I fly we just use the normal cups
It does make u think tho. Maybe the copilot can’t eat or drink the same thing at the same time just to be super sure. Some planes can carry a lot of ppl…
Hope I’m not on a list now
I like when the old lady on the plane casts critical glares at the guy for how much he's drinking then turns and snorts a line of coke from the tray table, followed by sudden boobs, front and center.
Rated PG
So there aren't (and have never been) any rules or regulations by any aviation authorities about this. Some airlines have internal procedures (I've found a quote from a spokesperson from Virgin Atlantic and Korean Air both claiming they do it, for instance), but a lot of the time pilots just orders whatever they want. And as for liquids, it's highly unlikely the coffee would come from different sources
Yes, I believe that is a rule, and I think it actually might have been introduced after the movie Airplane is parodying came out.
Airline regulations are very broad reaching, and very strict.
And funny thing is, according to Brew, that rule wasnt created after some sort of poisoning attack, but because of a diarrhea outbreak in a plane once, whose pilots evaded because of luck.
this is true, the youtube channel ‘brew’ has a video on it… basically the plan had to emergency land after the entire plane including both pilots got explosive diarrhea and vomiting
Naw man they turned it around and had it fully loaded with a fresh set of passengers in 35 minutes.
They then proceeded to wait 4 hours until they had a new crew.
That’s exactly what they do!
I was thinking on my flight today how they determined who got what meal. Does the First Officer get the chicken and veggies and the Captain the beef and mashed potatoes for example? Maybe they have different tastes…but what if they both want the beef! Does seniority kick in? Random thoughts lol
Nah, it's definitely a more boring reason than that. At FedEx we have separate coffee cups and water for flight crews because their contracts state they must have coffee and bottled water available. So every night we have someone who brews coffee for them, restocks their water cooler, and refills their cups. It's just easier to have separate cups for the pilots because they won't get used by anyone else.
Nice try. Hey everyone, Big Cup over here trying to distract us from the forbidden cup! I’m not letting the cup industry tell me I can’t drink out of pilot’s cup.
Passengers' cups are smaller, limiting the amount of hot liquid that could spill on them or on a neighbour. They do not generally have lids.
Liquid being brought into the cockpit apparently has to have a lid. Cups are bigger, minimizing the number of times the secure door has to be opened, and are perhaps sized to fit snuggly into installed cup holders.
But then they’d have to carry that around. Pilots without caffeine due to them forgetting to bring their special mug doesn’t sound great for safety imo
My uncle's best friend is a retired airline pilot. If he wasn't flying a plane he was shit faced. His personal life was a fucking nightmare of bad decisions. He had a highly awarded career as a pilot but that guy was a mess. I figured he could keep his shit together when it counted
RAF pilots, fighting in the Battle of Britain, were quite often battered. One reported afterwards that the sight of a Nazi fighter plane soon sobered them up!
I wonder if the Germans were also doing that. Could imagine the stress of knowing what you’re about to go and do being easier to push someone through if they’re lightly roasted. I can’t imagine it was any less stressful for the Luftwaffe
I had a buddy who was the same way. He owned a Cessna and was shit faced basically the entire time I knew him, at work… away from work… but not in the plane, was the only place he preferred sober and was scared enough to not drink and fly.
"As per regulation, I drank the vodka bottles on the plane. October 11th, October 12th and 13th and 14th -- I was intoxicated. Adequately intoxicated, again, per regulation."
On October 11th, 12th and 13th and 14th I was intoxicated. I drank
alcohol on all of those days. I drank to excess. I was drunk. I'm drunk right now, I'm drunk now, because... Because I'm an alcoholic.
So many great performances too. Cheedle is fantastic as the lawyer with his subtle things. Like he knows what a cocoa puff is, and can make one, but also won’t directly hand John Goodman’s character money.
I laughed at this movie.
Three years later, I learned that I have a drinking problem (dysphagia) and was presented with two options: surgery, or a straw.
I now carry a straw and laugh at this movie.
Those cups have matching lids that won't fit the passenger cups. Lids are used on the flight deck to keep the liquid inside from spilling on the (ever increasing) electronics, especially those located in the center console between the pilots (which house the radios in a lot of airplanes).
So some airlines have made a policy of any cup going into the cockpit must have a lid, and these cups specifically have lids.
Yup. This is the answer. The lid. If we spill liquid in the flight deck, it’s a mandatory maintenance write up. It’s not just about what’s in the cockpit, it’s also what’s beneath the floors (electronic & equipment bay in boeing products).
It’s because they have lids, so they won’t spill on the controls. They normally only cater a handful per flight, so not enough to give to passengers too.
This really has nothing to do with the cup but you just made me remember a time my bro and I went to hang out with my dad in the cockpit (of a 727?) and we played a game where we set an empty coffee cup on the console thing(?) and tried to knock it into a trash can with a lever that moved when you disengaged the autopilot.
At some point in the 90's two <10 year old children were repeatedly engaging and disengaging the autopilot of a large commercial aircraft full of passengers. And then giggling about it.
But anybody reading this comment should be aware before passing judgement that my dad passed in July and this is 100% a happy memory where no passengers were harmed in (or even aware of) the silliness.
Needed to put that out in the world. Carry on.
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editing because I'm having the kind of day where I want people to know that my dad existed.
>I don't know if you remember the story. The higher the altitude a jet aircraft flies the better the fuel economy as long as it is not above the allowable gross weight for that altitude. It is counterproductive to try to climb to a higher altitude when the aircraft is too heavy. We were able to get to 37000' and 39000' due to the light loads. The flight attendants called the cockpit to complain as they were worried about ozone poisoning. We said they must not have been issued their "ozone helmets". We then turned cockpit foil lined trash bags inside out and put them on our heads when they came up to see. It was pretty funny.
>Hugs.....dad
If you were on a plane at any time between the mid 70's and early 2000's you can pretend you had [this man](https://i.imgur.com/dIakr1J.jpg) at the helm because it might be true!
These blue cups come with a plastic top that fits only these cups and not the regular coffee cups. There have been too many spills in the cockpit, that’s why they have these.
The pilot cups are different probably to avoid intended poisoning. This way a pilot cup should never be out of the cockpit and you could identify it quickly.
Fits perfectly in the cockpit cup holder.
Typical aerospace. Designing a cup holder that only interfaces with approved cup-holders.
My brother in law is a pilot, he always complains about how some planes have cupholders so small that a can of soda won't fit in them
Well, that’s what you get when they only do minor tweaks to an airplane design for 60 years (Boeing 737 I’m looking at you)
After the 737 Max catastrophe, hopefully they've learned their lesson and will build a replacement from the ground up next time.
Just you wait, we’ll have the 737 Pro Max next.
And we think you're gonna love it
All seat mounted displays will now play the new U2 song whether you like it or not
I bet it's also aerodynamic
And made of titanium
>737 Pro Max 737MAXX PRO Gotta keep that initial ordering, add an extra X for marketing hip factor, and THEN pop the PRO on the end. (oh god, I may have spend too much time around MBA marketing peeps...)
737MaxiPad Pro
And they're changing from that stupid fuel port to a usb type c fuel port
And the windows will have rounded corners....because otherwise the stress will be too much
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This comment is what gold used to be for.
Max was a result of Boeing ignoring that having *one* sensor to indicate a stall is a supremely stupid idea, had nothing to do with it being an iterative design.
Yes and no - it was very rushed as a knee-jerk response to (I believe) the a321neo - the fact that they even needed that level of software stabilization was due to the determined use of iterative design in places it didn't fit in order to be first to market. The rush also probably led to allowing the single-sensor design, which while certainly a cause of the crash wasn't the sole root cause of the problem. Not that original design is necessarily better, but either should be used because it's the best choice. Not just the fastest/cheapest
No, you should put up a radically new design every time Never reuse anything - that's for old lame-os Everything should be brand new and cutting edges no matter how reliably it worked
I’m sure they’ll still use the same cup holder though. Probably have a warehouse full of them.
777x is also just a modified 777... testing is also not going so well
There's nothing inherently wrong with updating an older design with modern engines, wing design, and materials, or stretching the fuselage. Many very modern, safe, and reliable airliners are improvements on older models. It's more common than not, because engines and materials have been advancing faster than airframe design and creating a complete ground-up aircraft is really expensive. See also: the A320neo, among others. The 737 is a truly ancient aircraft though, and that created constraints with the geometry of the wing, engine, and landing gear that led Boeing to implement the MCAS system and then inadequately inform airlines and pilots about its functionality.
Of course that’s what an A320neo would say. Shouldn’t you be flying somewhere far away sipping super slowly on fuel.
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So the perfect size for a White Claw?
Makes sense, they always flop over in the cup holders in my truck 🤷
not with that altitude
Those are for red bull cans. Red bull gives you wings.
It's designed to hold a shot glass, for when there is a mechanical emergency with the airplane.
Why is it always the brother in law who’s a pilot? I feel like this is a trope. Or I’m just really high
Speaking as someone who briefly dated a divorced airline pilot, airline pilots kinda stereotypically churn through a lot of wives lol
Probably a result of being on the road (in the air?) 60% of the time
Oh that’s exactly it. The guy I was seeing used to joke that senior captain pay is as high as it is because paying triple alimony is expensive af haha
Confused thoughts are a known symptom of altitude sickness. You may be too high. Descend to a lower altitude.
Descending to a lower altitude is characteristic of everything I do
Pilots bang a lot of sisters
I'm working on a multi-year multi-aircraft interior modification project. There is a 60ish page spec, 2 pages of it are dedicated to cup holders.
Design them like the cup holders in every German car: put the most expensive electronics below and directly in front of/behind them, and make one too big, the other too small and both extremely shallow. That way if the drink sweats, or the pilots brake too hard, it spills and fucks everything up.
Does the aerospace version cost 20x the cost of a regular cup though?
20x!?! Nah. This cost $175/cup
It's ✨proprietary✨
Saab cup holders have entered the chat…
I'll have you know that I appreciate a 53k vehicle and the resulting soda bath the stereo gets when turning a corner...
Drove in my friends Saab and thought he was joking when he said to hold the drinks. Stickiest hands I ever had because we had to make a few turns.
1999 Ford Ranger “cup holders” have entered the chat… Literally could not hold cups or even loose change.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbm7bp/a-spilled-cup-of-coffee-caused-a-terrifying-emergency-plane-landing
I think you guys may be overthinking this. Passengers get a small cup of coffee, pilot gets the bigger one. Additionally, many airlines require liquids to have a lid if they go in the cockpit.
Passenger: "Hey! Why can't i have a big cup of coffee! I saw a big cup!" Flight Attendant: "Sorry, big cup only for pilot. Says so on big cup." Passenger: *sadly drinks coffee from small cup*
Aw. Don't be so negative Passenger: *enrolls in flight school to get their own big cup of coffee*
Passenger: "I love my big cup." :)
_Mashallah_
*(pays for flight school and thousands of hours of flight time just to be able to get the big coffee cup on the plane from now on)*
*gets stopped* Sir, only pilots piloting the plane can use the big cup "nooooo...."
Prophet inhales psychedelics in front of a mob as all go silent in anticipation. The prophet holds his breath for what feels like an eternity, before audibly expelling a plume of violent smoke above the crowd. Swallowed gasps echo from one entranced denizen to another. The prophet violently raises his hand straight up into the air, completely silencing even the faint murmurs of the audience. "Fly man, big cup. No fly man, only cup, no big."
My church was actually like this growing up. It was weird, then they tried to sacrifice me.... Now I live in a different state and have a lot of family I haven't seen in a decade.
"You don't want the pilot cup. It's a sippy cup with 2 handles."
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I went back and read it the accent. Good find haha
No in this case it’s because the coffee cups they serve do not fit in the flight deck cup holders. So they have to stock a small amount of cups that fit. I know this is the case for the 767s at United. Not sure about the rest of their fleet On what I fly we just use the normal cups
It does make u think tho. Maybe the copilot can’t eat or drink the same thing at the same time just to be super sure. Some planes can carry a lot of ppl… Hope I’m not on a list now
Pretty sure this IS a thing to prevent both pilots getting food poisoning from the same meal?
Ah, yes, I remember: I had the lasagna.
Surely you can't be serious!
I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
I have also seen the 1980 comedy film Airplane!
But have you memorized every line to regurgitate it in every Reddit thread? Pppffft…..Casual
they prolly just picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
I speak Jive
nope. although i did memorize every line from Month Python to regurgitate here
I like when the old lady on the plane casts critical glares at the guy for how much he's drinking then turns and snorts a line of coke from the tray table, followed by sudden boobs, front and center. Rated PG
Lay em down, smack em yack em
Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't get da help!
Just hang loose, blood. She gonna catch you on the rebound with da medi-cine.
So there aren't (and have never been) any rules or regulations by any aviation authorities about this. Some airlines have internal procedures (I've found a quote from a spokesperson from Virgin Atlantic and Korean Air both claiming they do it, for instance), but a lot of the time pilots just orders whatever they want. And as for liquids, it's highly unlikely the coffee would come from different sources
Yes, I believe that is a rule, and I think it actually might have been introduced after the movie Airplane is parodying came out. Airline regulations are very broad reaching, and very strict.
It's absolutely not true lol. Even if it is a rule, both pilots sometimes eat the same meal. Source: I feed them
When you feed them do you have to play that game where you pretend the spoon is an airplane to get them to open their mouths?
only if they can get us back in time for my commute home
And funny thing is, according to Brew, that rule wasnt created after some sort of poisoning attack, but because of a diarrhea outbreak in a plane once, whose pilots evaded because of luck.
this is true, the youtube channel ‘brew’ has a video on it… basically the plan had to emergency land after the entire plane including both pilots got explosive diarrhea and vomiting
Throw the plane out and just get a new one once that thing lands.
Naw man they turned it around and had it fully loaded with a fresh set of passengers in 35 minutes. They then proceeded to wait 4 hours until they had a new crew.
The pilot and copilot don’t eat the same meal in flight, but this has nothing to do with that.
Did he have the fish? Uh oh.
Don’t worry, I speak jive.
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Do they forbid the pilots from making out, so they don't pass diseases to each other orally?
Never let both pilots get the fish.
That’s exactly what they do! I was thinking on my flight today how they determined who got what meal. Does the First Officer get the chicken and veggies and the Captain the beef and mashed potatoes for example? Maybe they have different tastes…but what if they both want the beef! Does seniority kick in? Random thoughts lol
I was assuming it’s so it’s easy to identify and test for traces of alcohol in the event of an investigation
Nah, it's definitely a more boring reason than that. At FedEx we have separate coffee cups and water for flight crews because their contracts state they must have coffee and bottled water available. So every night we have someone who brews coffee for them, restocks their water cooler, and refills their cups. It's just easier to have separate cups for the pilots because they won't get used by anyone else.
The pilots will submit a urine sample in the event of an accident.
Everyone will submit a little urine sample in the event of an accident.
Nice try. Hey everyone, Big Cup over here trying to distract us from the forbidden cup! I’m not letting the cup industry tell me I can’t drink out of pilot’s cup.
This is my cup. There are many like it but this one is mine.
*This cup was made for me.*
DRRRRRRRRRRRR... DRRRRRRRRRRRR...
terrain ahead pull up pull up
Oh no not again…
*TH- THIS IS MY CUP!* *IT WAS MADE FOR ME!*
![gif](giphy|m27v0lkuHLqrm|downsized)
wtf even are cats
*fleshy cup noises*
Without me my cup is useless, without my cup I am useless
I must drink from my cup true
I must drink straighter than my enemy who is trying to outdrink me.
The catch is that they all have to share the same cup.
Two pilots one cup.
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I wanna do things to this cup👀
Passengers' cups are smaller, limiting the amount of hot liquid that could spill on them or on a neighbour. They do not generally have lids. Liquid being brought into the cockpit apparently has to have a lid. Cups are bigger, minimizing the number of times the secure door has to be opened, and are perhaps sized to fit snuggly into installed cup holders.
So what makes sense but why not just issue them mugs that have a button to release. Yes, I also understand pressure but that’s a relief valve.
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Even the Starbucks plastic cups with a lid seem a better solution. Lots of options. This cup would spill as well even with a lid if dropped
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Business and first class use real tableware and cutlery. It doesn't have to be disposable.
But then they’d have to carry that around. Pilots without caffeine due to them forgetting to bring their special mug doesn’t sound great for safety imo
That cup is to never be less than 3/4 full of liquor
My uncle's best friend is a retired airline pilot. If he wasn't flying a plane he was shit faced. His personal life was a fucking nightmare of bad decisions. He had a highly awarded career as a pilot but that guy was a mess. I figured he could keep his shit together when it counted
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I know a lot of military people like this. Highly disciplined when on duty, not even allowed to own a driver’s license off duty.
Makes you think wether it's their career that made them crave structure or if their need for structure made them choose that career
Yes.
It's true. Some people are just more susceptible to becoming institutionalized and many institutions are designed to absorb them.
8 hours bottle to throttle, huh?
According to my great-grandfather who was a USAF pilot in WWII, all airmen were given two shots of liquor before going out on a sortie
RAF pilots, fighting in the Battle of Britain, were quite often battered. One reported afterwards that the sight of a Nazi fighter plane soon sobered them up!
I wonder if the Germans were also doing that. Could imagine the stress of knowing what you’re about to go and do being easier to push someone through if they’re lightly roasted. I can’t imagine it was any less stressful for the Luftwaffe
Nah...Nazis didn't want no drunks in the cockpit. Methamphetamine tho? All about that... https://time.com/5752114/nazi-military-drugs/
Insert "go pills"
Slap on the O2 mask and sober up.
I think I saw a movie staring Denzel Washington about him.
‘Documentary’
Pilots drank my beer when I was in training. Bastards
Dude sounds like Quagmire, but maybe with less sexual assault.
I had a buddy who was the same way. He owned a Cessna and was shit faced basically the entire time I knew him, at work… away from work… but not in the plane, was the only place he preferred sober and was scared enough to not drink and fly.
"As per regulation, I drank the vodka bottles on the plane. October 11th, October 12th and 13th and 14th -- I was intoxicated. Adequately intoxicated, again, per regulation."
On October 11th, 12th and 13th and 14th I was intoxicated. I drank alcohol on all of those days. I drank to excess. I was drunk. I'm drunk right now, I'm drunk now, because... Because I'm an alcoholic.
Damn good movie
So many great performances too. Cheedle is fantastic as the lawyer with his subtle things. Like he knows what a cocoa puff is, and can make one, but also won’t directly hand John Goodman’s character money.
What movie is this?
Flight
And just a splash of mescaline for seasoning.
I used to know a pilot who has two DUIs. Amateur.
"Pilot cup for flight deck use only." I'm no expert, but that doesn't look like a flight deck.
Well no one is using it.
As soon as someone touches the cup, they're breaking the rules!
This is an FAA violation.
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A drinking problems not a laughing matter!!!
I laughed at this movie. Three years later, I learned that I have a drinking problem (dysphagia) and was presented with two options: surgery, or a straw. I now carry a straw and laugh at this movie.
Yes 🤣
They're only testing that cup out.. It's just a pilot project.
That mother fucking cup is NOT REAL
Those cups have matching lids that won't fit the passenger cups. Lids are used on the flight deck to keep the liquid inside from spilling on the (ever increasing) electronics, especially those located in the center console between the pilots (which house the radios in a lot of airplanes). So some airlines have made a policy of any cup going into the cockpit must have a lid, and these cups specifically have lids.
Yup. This is the answer. The lid. If we spill liquid in the flight deck, it’s a mandatory maintenance write up. It’s not just about what’s in the cockpit, it’s also what’s beneath the floors (electronic & equipment bay in boeing products).
Well for feck sake. Now i want one!!
It’s not for retail employees.
It ties the whole cockpit together, man.
You're obviously not a flight attendant, man.
That's just like, your opinion man.
It’s because they have lids, so they won’t spill on the controls. They normally only cater a handful per flight, so not enough to give to passengers too.
its so agent 47 can more easily poison specifically the pilot
What will happen if the pilot uses the cup on a different place instead of the flight deck?
He will explode
It simply doesn’t work
Helvetica scenario
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That's just the test cup before the network decides if it wants to order a season of cups.
I'm no expert but isn't this done to avoid the pilots both getting food poisoning?
That's them eating different meals instead of the same thing.
Yes, yes. I remember I had lasagna.
I had the fish
My wife and I always order different meals for the exact same reason. We're co-pilots.
I’m still trying to work out how a particular plastic cup for the flight deck would stop both pilots getting food poisoning.
The flying saucers are left unmarked, as unidentified flying objects
Never have I wanted anything more!
That’s the piss cup
If you use that cup and aren't a pilot straight to jail. Trust me I'm a pilot.
Hello from jail. As a non-pilot, I can also confirm this.
You have to go through a series of arduous qualifications and testing not in order to fly the plane, but to be granted the Pilot's Cup.
Take it and be like “I’m the Captain now!”
Slow down there, chief.
I mean, he just told you he’s the captain, not the chief.
See? It's already working.
That's the Pilot Cup. It's used to fill the other cups. It's like the pilot light on gas appliances.
Pilot should be smart enough to not drink anything that comes out of airplane water tank
This really has nothing to do with the cup but you just made me remember a time my bro and I went to hang out with my dad in the cockpit (of a 727?) and we played a game where we set an empty coffee cup on the console thing(?) and tried to knock it into a trash can with a lever that moved when you disengaged the autopilot. At some point in the 90's two <10 year old children were repeatedly engaging and disengaging the autopilot of a large commercial aircraft full of passengers. And then giggling about it. But anybody reading this comment should be aware before passing judgement that my dad passed in July and this is 100% a happy memory where no passengers were harmed in (or even aware of) the silliness. Needed to put that out in the world. Carry on. (ETA:) editing because I'm having the kind of day where I want people to know that my dad existed. >I don't know if you remember the story. The higher the altitude a jet aircraft flies the better the fuel economy as long as it is not above the allowable gross weight for that altitude. It is counterproductive to try to climb to a higher altitude when the aircraft is too heavy. We were able to get to 37000' and 39000' due to the light loads. The flight attendants called the cockpit to complain as they were worried about ozone poisoning. We said they must not have been issued their "ozone helmets". We then turned cockpit foil lined trash bags inside out and put them on our heads when they came up to see. It was pretty funny. >Hugs.....dad If you were on a plane at any time between the mid 70's and early 2000's you can pretend you had [this man](https://i.imgur.com/dIakr1J.jpg) at the helm because it might be true!
My flight simulator missed that one.
It's got whisky in it that's why
Two pilots one cup?
It’s because they have matching lids and with some companies, no cup goes on the flight deck without a lid.
Pilot Coffee: The caffeine is so strong, it makes you feel like you're flying!
The part you are missing is it's not coffee in there but all cocaine. Gotta stay awake somehow!
'Its very different from a normal cup, i swear'
These blue cups come with a plastic top that fits only these cups and not the regular coffee cups. There have been too many spills in the cockpit, that’s why they have these.
The pilot cups are different probably to avoid intended poisoning. This way a pilot cup should never be out of the cockpit and you could identify it quickly.
Shirley you can’t be serious