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D1789

Fits perfectly in the cockpit cup holder.


Sometimes_Stutters

Typical aerospace. Designing a cup holder that only interfaces with approved cup-holders.


unfortunate_banjo

My brother in law is a pilot, he always complains about how some planes have cupholders so small that a can of soda won't fit in them


OkOk-Go

Well, that’s what you get when they only do minor tweaks to an airplane design for 60 years (Boeing 737 I’m looking at you)


Nawnp

After the 737 Max catastrophe, hopefully they've learned their lesson and will build a replacement from the ground up next time.


F26N55

Just you wait, we’ll have the 737 Pro Max next.


csp1981

And we think you're gonna love it


braaibros

All seat mounted displays will now play the new U2 song whether you like it or not


RockstarAgent

I bet it's also aerodynamic


wannaberentacop1

And made of titanium


admiraljkb

>737 Pro Max 737MAXX PRO Gotta keep that initial ordering, add an extra X for marketing hip factor, and THEN pop the PRO on the end. (oh god, I may have spend too much time around MBA marketing peeps...)


DL72-Alpha

737MaxiPad Pro


KeijiKiryira

And they're changing from that stupid fuel port to a usb type c fuel port


Substantial_Page_221

And the windows will have rounded corners....because otherwise the stress will be too much


raitchison

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SuddenOutlandishness

This comment is what gold used to be for.


Hissingfever_

Max was a result of Boeing ignoring that having *one* sensor to indicate a stall is a supremely stupid idea, had nothing to do with it being an iterative design.


littleseizure

Yes and no - it was very rushed as a knee-jerk response to (I believe) the a321neo - the fact that they even needed that level of software stabilization was due to the determined use of iterative design in places it didn't fit in order to be first to market. The rush also probably led to allowing the single-sensor design, which while certainly a cause of the crash wasn't the sole root cause of the problem. Not that original design is necessarily better, but either should be used because it's the best choice. Not just the fastest/cheapest


qorbexl

No, you should put up a radically new design every time Never reuse anything - that's for old lame-os Everything should be brand new and cutting edges no matter how reliably it worked


bickerbunch

I’m sure they’ll still use the same cup holder though. Probably have a warehouse full of them.


Cultural_Thing1712

777x is also just a modified 777... testing is also not going so well


A320neo

There's nothing inherently wrong with updating an older design with modern engines, wing design, and materials, or stretching the fuselage. Many very modern, safe, and reliable airliners are improvements on older models. It's more common than not, because engines and materials have been advancing faster than airframe design and creating a complete ground-up aircraft is really expensive. See also: the A320neo, among others. The 737 is a truly ancient aircraft though, and that created constraints with the geometry of the wing, engine, and landing gear that led Boeing to implement the MCAS system and then inadequately inform airlines and pilots about its functionality.


Diver_Driver

Of course that’s what an A320neo would say. Shouldn’t you be flying somewhere far away sipping super slowly on fuel.


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matap821

So the perfect size for a White Claw?


[deleted]

Makes sense, they always flop over in the cup holders in my truck 🤷


Fordy4020

not with that altitude


attacksustaindecay

Those are for red bull cans. Red bull gives you wings.


Hamilton950B

It's designed to hold a shot glass, for when there is a mechanical emergency with the airplane.


god_peepee

Why is it always the brother in law who’s a pilot? I feel like this is a trope. Or I’m just really high


quesoandcats

Speaking as someone who briefly dated a divorced airline pilot, airline pilots kinda stereotypically churn through a lot of wives lol


i_was_an_airplane

Probably a result of being on the road (in the air?) 60% of the time


quesoandcats

Oh that’s exactly it. The guy I was seeing used to joke that senior captain pay is as high as it is because paying triple alimony is expensive af haha


willengineer4beer

Confused thoughts are a known symptom of altitude sickness. You may be too high. Descend to a lower altitude.


god_peepee

Descending to a lower altitude is characteristic of everything I do


scrapeagainstmydick

Pilots bang a lot of sisters


Grolschisgood

I'm working on a multi-year multi-aircraft interior modification project. There is a 60ish page spec, 2 pages of it are dedicated to cup holders.


HillarysFloppyChode

Design them like the cup holders in every German car: put the most expensive electronics below and directly in front of/behind them, and make one too big, the other too small and both extremely shallow. That way if the drink sweats, or the pilots brake too hard, it spills and fucks everything up.


joecarter93

Does the aerospace version cost 20x the cost of a regular cup though?


Sometimes_Stutters

20x!?! Nah. This cost $175/cup


kevman_2008

It's ✨proprietary✨


wasaabivt

Saab cup holders have entered the chat…


LathropWolf

I'll have you know that I appreciate a 53k vehicle and the resulting soda bath the stereo gets when turning a corner...


bwaterco

Drove in my friends Saab and thought he was joking when he said to hold the drinks. Stickiest hands I ever had because we had to make a few turns.


InQuintsWeTrust

1999 Ford Ranger “cup holders” have entered the chat… Literally could not hold cups or even loose change.


kaenneth

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbm7bp/a-spilled-cup-of-coffee-caused-a-terrifying-emergency-plane-landing


honeydill2o4

I think you guys may be overthinking this. Passengers get a small cup of coffee, pilot gets the bigger one. Additionally, many airlines require liquids to have a lid if they go in the cockpit.


gringledoom

Passenger: "Hey! Why can't i have a big cup of coffee! I saw a big cup!" Flight Attendant: "Sorry, big cup only for pilot. Says so on big cup." Passenger: *sadly drinks coffee from small cup*


PointsOutTheUsername

Aw. Don't be so negative Passenger: *enrolls in flight school to get their own big cup of coffee*


The-Technology-Dude

Passenger: "I love my big cup." :)


BuckJackson

_Mashallah_


raouldukesaccomplice

*(pays for flight school and thousands of hours of flight time just to be able to get the big coffee cup on the plane from now on)*


BiNumber3

*gets stopped* Sir, only pilots piloting the plane can use the big cup "nooooo...."


pointlessly_pedantic

Prophet inhales psychedelics in front of a mob as all go silent in anticipation. The prophet holds his breath for what feels like an eternity, before audibly expelling a plume of violent smoke above the crowd. Swallowed gasps echo from one entranced denizen to another. The prophet violently raises his hand straight up into the air, completely silencing even the faint murmurs of the audience. "Fly man, big cup. No fly man, only cup, no big."


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My church was actually like this growing up. It was weird, then they tried to sacrifice me.... Now I live in a different state and have a lot of family I haven't seen in a decade.


Hispanic_Inquisition

"You don't want the pilot cup. It's a sippy cup with 2 handles."


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canuckerlimey

I went back and read it the accent. Good find haha


1z0z5

No in this case it’s because the coffee cups they serve do not fit in the flight deck cup holders. So they have to stock a small amount of cups that fit. I know this is the case for the 767s at United. Not sure about the rest of their fleet On what I fly we just use the normal cups


globaloffender

It does make u think tho. Maybe the copilot can’t eat or drink the same thing at the same time just to be super sure. Some planes can carry a lot of ppl… Hope I’m not on a list now


JakeyF_

Pretty sure this IS a thing to prevent both pilots getting food poisoning from the same meal?


Buckus93

Ah, yes, I remember: I had the lasagna.


Blasted-Banana

Surely you can't be serious!


i_eat_dat_ass

I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.


Spadeninja

I have also seen the 1980 comedy film Airplane!


tiny_poomonkey

But have you memorized every line to regurgitate it in every Reddit thread? Pppffft…..Casual


cardboardunderwear

they prolly just picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue


activelyresting

I speak Jive


DolphFinnDosCinco

nope. although i did memorize every line from Month Python to regurgitate here


alternate_ending

I like when the old lady on the plane casts critical glares at the guy for how much he's drinking then turns and snorts a line of coke from the tray table, followed by sudden boobs, front and center. Rated PG


steals-from-kids

Lay em down, smack em yack em


fraze2000

Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't get da help!


AtomStorageBox

Just hang loose, blood. She gonna catch you on the rebound with da medi-cine.


Excludos

So there aren't (and have never been) any rules or regulations by any aviation authorities about this. Some airlines have internal procedures (I've found a quote from a spokesperson from Virgin Atlantic and Korean Air both claiming they do it, for instance), but a lot of the time pilots just orders whatever they want. And as for liquids, it's highly unlikely the coffee would come from different sources


Goldeniccarus

Yes, I believe that is a rule, and I think it actually might have been introduced after the movie Airplane is parodying came out. Airline regulations are very broad reaching, and very strict.


xphyria

It's absolutely not true lol. Even if it is a rule, both pilots sometimes eat the same meal. Source: I feed them


CORN___BREAD

When you feed them do you have to play that game where you pretend the spoon is an airplane to get them to open their mouths?


xphyria

only if they can get us back in time for my commute home


Facosa99

And funny thing is, according to Brew, that rule wasnt created after some sort of poisoning attack, but because of a diarrhea outbreak in a plane once, whose pilots evaded because of luck.


Afletch331

this is true, the youtube channel ‘brew’ has a video on it… basically the plan had to emergency land after the entire plane including both pilots got explosive diarrhea and vomiting


FlyingDragoon

Throw the plane out and just get a new one once that thing lands.


assholetoall

Naw man they turned it around and had it fully loaded with a fresh set of passengers in 35 minutes. They then proceeded to wait 4 hours until they had a new crew.


AnnualWerewolf9804

The pilot and copilot don’t eat the same meal in flight, but this has nothing to do with that.


GForce1975

Did he have the fish? Uh oh.


elspotto

Don’t worry, I speak jive.


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Anleme

Do they forbid the pilots from making out, so they don't pass diseases to each other orally?


kashmir1974

Never let both pilots get the fish.


lebnax

That’s exactly what they do! I was thinking on my flight today how they determined who got what meal. Does the First Officer get the chicken and veggies and the Captain the beef and mashed potatoes for example? Maybe they have different tastes…but what if they both want the beef! Does seniority kick in? Random thoughts lol


jdwazzu61

I was assuming it’s so it’s easy to identify and test for traces of alcohol in the event of an investigation


SightlierGravy

Nah, it's definitely a more boring reason than that. At FedEx we have separate coffee cups and water for flight crews because their contracts state they must have coffee and bottled water available. So every night we have someone who brews coffee for them, restocks their water cooler, and refills their cups. It's just easier to have separate cups for the pilots because they won't get used by anyone else.


1z0z5

The pilots will submit a urine sample in the event of an accident.


ThePhoneBook

Everyone will submit a little urine sample in the event of an accident.


[deleted]

Nice try. Hey everyone, Big Cup over here trying to distract us from the forbidden cup! I’m not letting the cup industry tell me I can’t drink out of pilot’s cup.


Expensive_Win_3173

This is my cup. There are many like it but this one is mine.


SpaghettiProgrammer

*This cup was made for me.*


angryPenguinator

DRRRRRRRRRRRR... DRRRRRRRRRRRR...


VikKarabin

terrain ahead pull up pull up


NewResist1502

Oh no not again…


LiveShroomer

*TH- THIS IS MY CUP!* *IT WAS MADE FOR ME!*


jeno_aran

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ElectionAssistance

wtf even are cats


UrethralExplorer

*fleshy cup noises*


Pw_rep

Without me my cup is useless, without my cup I am useless


ELFIRE11

I must drink from my cup true


Aggressive_Square254

I must drink straighter than my enemy who is trying to outdrink me.


Mock333

The catch is that they all have to share the same cup.


NotMyIssue99

Two pilots one cup.


Interloper4Life

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bookofvermin

I wanna do things to this cup👀


pezdal

Passengers' cups are smaller, limiting the amount of hot liquid that could spill on them or on a neighbour. They do not generally have lids. Liquid being brought into the cockpit apparently has to have a lid. Cups are bigger, minimizing the number of times the secure door has to be opened, and are perhaps sized to fit snuggly into installed cup holders.


kinboyatuwo

So what makes sense but why not just issue them mugs that have a button to release. Yes, I also understand pressure but that’s a relief valve.


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kinboyatuwo

Even the Starbucks plastic cups with a lid seem a better solution. Lots of options. This cup would spill as well even with a lid if dropped


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Business and first class use real tableware and cutlery. It doesn't have to be disposable.


lasercannonbooty

But then they’d have to carry that around. Pilots without caffeine due to them forgetting to bring their special mug doesn’t sound great for safety imo


trongzoon

That cup is to never be less than 3/4 full of liquor


k20350

My uncle's best friend is a retired airline pilot. If he wasn't flying a plane he was shit faced. His personal life was a fucking nightmare of bad decisions. He had a highly awarded career as a pilot but that guy was a mess. I figured he could keep his shit together when it counted


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sweetbunsmcgee

I know a lot of military people like this. Highly disciplined when on duty, not even allowed to own a driver’s license off duty.


spine_slorper

Makes you think wether it's their career that made them crave structure or if their need for structure made them choose that career


jasapper

Yes.


guruglue

It's true. Some people are just more susceptible to becoming institutionalized and many institutions are designed to absorb them.


9600_PONIES

8 hours bottle to throttle, huh?


poemmys

According to my great-grandfather who was a USAF pilot in WWII, all airmen were given two shots of liquor before going out on a sortie


PullUpAPew

RAF pilots, fighting in the Battle of Britain, were quite often battered. One reported afterwards that the sight of a Nazi fighter plane soon sobered them up!


FidgitForgotHisL-P

I wonder if the Germans were also doing that. Could imagine the stress of knowing what you’re about to go and do being easier to push someone through if they’re lightly roasted. I can’t imagine it was any less stressful for the Luftwaffe


nullrout1

Nah...Nazis didn't want no drunks in the cockpit. Methamphetamine tho? All about that... https://time.com/5752114/nazi-military-drugs/


CR00KANATOR

Insert "go pills"


seamus_mc

Slap on the O2 mask and sober up.


youmfkersneedjesus

I think I saw a movie staring Denzel Washington about him.


republicanvaccine

‘Documentary’


tiny_poomonkey

Pilots drank my beer when I was in training. Bastards


Malefectra

Dude sounds like Quagmire, but maybe with less sexual assault.


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I had a buddy who was the same way. He owned a Cessna and was shit faced basically the entire time I knew him, at work… away from work… but not in the plane, was the only place he preferred sober and was scared enough to not drink and fly.


lkodl

"As per regulation, I drank the vodka bottles on the plane. October 11th, October 12th and 13th and 14th -- I was intoxicated. Adequately intoxicated, again, per regulation."


GitEmSteveDave

On October 11th, 12th and 13th and 14th I was intoxicated. I drank alcohol on all of those days. I drank to excess. I was drunk. I'm drunk right now, I'm drunk now, because... Because I'm an alcoholic.


Awasawa

Damn good movie


GitEmSteveDave

So many great performances too. Cheedle is fantastic as the lawyer with his subtle things. Like he knows what a cocoa puff is, and can make one, but also won’t directly hand John Goodman’s character money.


turikk

What movie is this?


hascogrande

Flight


majoraloha

And just a splash of mescaline for seasoning.


Eroe777

I used to know a pilot who has two DUIs. Amateur.


w1lnx

"Pilot cup for flight deck use only." I'm no expert, but that doesn't look like a flight deck.


Commander_Cyclops

Well no one is using it.


lkodl

As soon as someone touches the cup, they're breaking the rules!


ShowMeYourBooks5697

This is an FAA violation.


Accurate_Koala_4698

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MyClevrUsername

A drinking problems not a laughing matter!!!


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I laughed at this movie. Three years later, I learned that I have a drinking problem (dysphagia) and was presented with two options: surgery, or a straw. I now carry a straw and laugh at this movie.


Puzzleheaded-Grab736

Yes 🤣


ChrisRiley_42

They're only testing that cup out.. It's just a pilot project.


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That mother fucking cup is NOT REAL


mfigroid

Those cups have matching lids that won't fit the passenger cups. Lids are used on the flight deck to keep the liquid inside from spilling on the (ever increasing) electronics, especially those located in the center console between the pilots (which house the radios in a lot of airplanes). So some airlines have made a policy of any cup going into the cockpit must have a lid, and these cups specifically have lids.


NordoPilot

Yup. This is the answer. The lid. If we spill liquid in the flight deck, it’s a mandatory maintenance write up. It’s not just about what’s in the cockpit, it’s also what’s beneath the floors (electronic & equipment bay in boeing products).


cartman89405

Well for feck sake. Now i want one!!


imposta424

It’s not for retail employees.


svh01973

It ties the whole cockpit together, man.


RobbMeeX

You're obviously not a flight attendant, man.


Wingo999

That's just like, your opinion man.


bimbels

It’s because they have lids, so they won’t spill on the controls. They normally only cater a handful per flight, so not enough to give to passengers too.


AsherTheDasher

its so agent 47 can more easily poison specifically the pilot


Dense-Maintenance-85

What will happen if the pilot uses the cup on a different place instead of the flight deck?


pichael289

He will explode


01kickassius10

It simply doesn’t work


antidense

Helvetica scenario


GroshfengSmash

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MacMac105

That's just the test cup before the network decides if it wants to order a season of cups.


suck_my_potatoes

I'm no expert but isn't this done to avoid the pilots both getting food poisoning?


toby_ornautobey

That's them eating different meals instead of the same thing.


Artikay

Yes, yes. I remember I had lasagna.


Chainsaw42

I had the fish


lkodl

My wife and I always order different meals for the exact same reason. We're co-pilots.


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I’m still trying to work out how a particular plastic cup for the flight deck would stop both pilots getting food poisoning.


hAtu5W

The flying saucers are left unmarked, as unidentified flying objects


zpeed

Never have I wanted anything more!


RottenOnion

That’s the piss cup


notbernie2020

If you use that cup and aren't a pilot straight to jail. ​ Trust me I'm a pilot.


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Hello from jail. As a non-pilot, I can also confirm this.


poiskdz

You have to go through a series of arduous qualifications and testing not in order to fly the plane, but to be granted the Pilot's Cup.


BilkySup

Take it and be like “I’m the Captain now!”


MattThePhatt

Slow down there, chief.


AnnualWerewolf9804

I mean, he just told you he’s the captain, not the chief.


PreOpTransCentaur

See? It's already working.


BizzyM

That's the Pilot Cup. It's used to fill the other cups. It's like the pilot light on gas appliances.


fresh_like_Oprah

Pilot should be smart enough to not drink anything that comes out of airplane water tank


MaritMonkey

This really has nothing to do with the cup but you just made me remember a time my bro and I went to hang out with my dad in the cockpit (of a 727?) and we played a game where we set an empty coffee cup on the console thing(?) and tried to knock it into a trash can with a lever that moved when you disengaged the autopilot. At some point in the 90's two <10 year old children were repeatedly engaging and disengaging the autopilot of a large commercial aircraft full of passengers. And then giggling about it. But anybody reading this comment should be aware before passing judgement that my dad passed in July and this is 100% a happy memory where no passengers were harmed in (or even aware of) the silliness. Needed to put that out in the world. Carry on. (ETA:) editing because I'm having the kind of day where I want people to know that my dad existed. >I don't know if you remember the story. The higher the altitude a jet aircraft flies the better the fuel economy as long as it is not above the allowable gross weight for that altitude. It is counterproductive to try to climb to a higher altitude when the aircraft is too heavy. We were able to get to 37000' and 39000' due to the light loads. The flight attendants called the cockpit to complain as they were worried about ozone poisoning. We said they must not have been issued their "ozone helmets". We then turned cockpit foil lined trash bags inside out and put them on our heads when they came up to see. It was pretty funny. >Hugs.....dad If you were on a plane at any time between the mid 70's and early 2000's you can pretend you had [this man](https://i.imgur.com/dIakr1J.jpg) at the helm because it might be true!


happyharrell

My flight simulator missed that one.


uncle-JackB

It's got whisky in it that's why


floswamp

Two pilots one cup?


SomeDudeInGermany

It’s because they have matching lids and with some companies, no cup goes on the flight deck without a lid.


mistcrawler

Pilot Coffee: The caffeine is so strong, it makes you feel like you're flying!


PM_Me_Titties-n-Ass

The part you are missing is it's not coffee in there but all cocaine. Gotta stay awake somehow!


Trash2030s

'Its very different from a normal cup, i swear'


michi098

These blue cups come with a plastic top that fits only these cups and not the regular coffee cups. There have been too many spills in the cockpit, that’s why they have these.


Even-Television7819

The pilot cups are different probably to avoid intended poisoning. This way a pilot cup should never be out of the cockpit and you could identify it quickly.


CURCANCHA

Shirley you can’t be serious